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19: The View Askewniverse - Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back with Anthony
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We're back with episode 19 and we're talking about Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. Our guest Hot Nerd Anthony is back so join us as we recap this stoner classic.
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Jay's Lightning Joke
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You know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? Same thing that happens to everything else. If the apocalypse comes, beat me, beat me. same thing that happens to everyone
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fuck Hey, let me get nickel bag.
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one two three four noise noise noise smoking weed smoking with do and co drinking beers drinking beers beers beers rollin fatty smoke in blunts who smokes some blunts we smoke thelonnts rolling blunts and smoking um hey let me get a nickel bag Fifteen bucks, little man, put that shit in my hand. If that money doesn't show, then you owe me, owe me, owe my jungle love.
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O-ee-o-ee-o-ee-o. I think I want to know ya, know ya. More stay in the motherfucking times.
Introduction to 'Real Hot Nerd Shit' Podcast
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Anyways, welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I am your host, Ryan.
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And I'm your co-host, Shauna. And in case you couldn't tell, that is the returning voice of our guest hot nerd, Anthony, doing the Jay's rap from Jay and Silent Bob, the movie that we are discussing today. Yes, I can't wait. In case you can't tell, internet, so light for this movie.
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We have since traveled to Miami and back where we behaved absolutely belligerently and then came back and decided we weren't sick of each other yet. And now ah here we are recording episode 19 of The View Askewniverse talking about jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
General Banter and Segue
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Okay, how's everyone doing? How are we feeling? We don't need to do the what are you a nerd about thing ah because we already know. But um let's jump into general banter.
Emma Frost in Marvel Rivals: A Discussion
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My first thing that I am absolutely fucking erect over is we are finally getting girly tank in Marvel Rivals, the baddest bitch, Emma motherfucking thick-ass thighs Frost, is joining the cast of playable characters on Marvel Rivals as a tank.
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Shauna, first reactions? This here is a girl tank, and we only say girl tanks. ah they That is literally our friend group. That is literally our friend group. I am so excited for a girl tank, because we've been our we've been needing it, because it's always like,
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The entire, okay, I guess we'll play DPS, we'll play support, and then it's like, all right, who's tanking? Someone's got a tank. Someone's got a top, girls. Someone's got a top at the sex party.
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Turns out it's going Emma Frost. Yeah, big surprise there. Big surprise there. I'm very excited. She looks awesome. She looks awesome. Right, right.
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you know, the queen of thick thighs save lives coming in and just, it's so good. And this, you know, and I understand where it's like, Oh, it's so over the top, but like, and probably of all the characters, like, cause there is a lot of like, you know, controversy online about like, well, is she too over-sexualized? Is she too much? And I was like, well, of all the characters,
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Emma Frost, the white queen, is kind of that's kind of what she does traditionally. That is the commentary around Emma Frost. It has always been she is hypersexualized, but it's for herself.
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It is not for anyone else. Like, she has always been owning her shit as to who she is. Yeah. The rest of the girls have have always given her shit for having her titties out and for having, i mean, admittedly, every single one of her vital organs is exposed. So like it doesn't logistically make sense from superhero skin. mean, if you can turn yourself into like a diamond form, it doesn't really matter if your skin's exposed because your skin is literally diamond.
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Well, but also not to be, you know, the the double down nerd, but that is a secondary mutation and she was dressing like a total slut before. You know what? Maybe she always just knew her truth internally and like knew that one day secondary mutation would come in. When did the diamond form come in? I feel like it was like... i'm in In Grant Morrison, I think it's Grant Morrison, in his run of New X-Men, um it is, i believe, when Cassandra Nova makes an appearance and just starts wrecking shit. like She makes Beast think he's like a feral animal.
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Oh, remember that like that era of... Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure... Was that like the 2000s then? like Yeah, thousand the when they started to try to align the um the costumes like along the movies. So they wear those like black leather jackets and pants. I remember that my cousin read those that version...
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it's a It's a great run. It is a very, um I would say it's kind of like, you know, the uncanny X-Men, the era that led up to that was like the really traditional, what people assume when they think X-Men, what they know about, like even down to like, you know, Cyclops being kind of like the Boy Scout narc bitch. Like everything changes on that run. Like Cyclops becomes a lot more um political.
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um Jean is back and she's like, not really fucking with anyone because she knows she's more powerful than everyone else, including her husband. And so her husband starts having a psychic affair with Emma Frost.
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It's incredible. It's top tier. The X-Men are your messy gay friend group that are all fucking each other. And everyone's really emotionally intelligent. but we're still fucking each other.
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So we're thrilled to have Emma. And then they move into their home world, the Uncanny Valley. Shut up, no. Oh, is that it? No, that's not it. Krakoa is the new map that we're getting on Marvel Rivals, which, again, as an X-Men fan, Sean and I were watching um the uh, play trailer yesterday or like the gameplay trailer of Emma on Krakoa map. And we were fully just like, it is so wonderful to be an X-Men fan, X-Men fan right now. Like X-Men 97, we know stuff is coming in, you know, uh,
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doomsday. And now we have this incredibly homosexual interpretation of ah what's her name of Emma Frost. And like, we get to see the Krakoan gates and it's just, it's wonderful. It's a great time to be an X-Men fan.
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And it's a great time to be a faggot that likes to play as a tank because, Tell me why they added 90 pounds on each side of Emma's legs and made her the thickest bitch in the game, including Squirrel Girl, who they also made needlessly dummy thick.
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And now think Venom who literally can twerk now. He can literally twerk. Anthony played rivals with us. We did not show him the twerk. We should have shown him the torque when we were on. we should have. I was, I was having a hard enough time remembering what my cooldowns were.
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hadn't played since January, according to snacks. That's the last time I was online. He looked it up. Oh yeah. and number percent He's a trustworthy source. He loves looking at people's stats like a weirdo. Exactly. Exactly. He's locked in. I'm sure.
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Truly. But, uh, um it was fun I got to remember how to play again now, though. It was good to be back. And when you when you play with us, you won't always have to be the tank because now there is a tank for us to pick from. That's true. That's not Penny Parker.
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And when I tell you the girls are going to be fighting over who gets to tank, Emma is, this is the last thing I'll say and then we'll move on. Emma is like my dream video game character. She's a girl.
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First and most importantly. Secondly, she has psychic powers. Thirdly, she has powers that are ranged so she doesn't have to get in there. But then you can turn into your diamond form and get up in them guts and start fucking meleeing these characters. Like that's all I want in a video game character. I want versatility. I want range. I want a cunty bob. I want tits out.
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Give me it all. It's not too much to ask for. Thank you. A girl can have it all. ah girl We can have it all, girls. We can. ah Speaking of having it all, also, ah it's a wonderful time for for, I guess, sports, but I only really particularly care about the women's ones. So, Shawna, what's happening in
NCAA Women's Tournament Update
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the world of sports?
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So, we had our the final four for the NCAA Women's Tournament was last night. And so, you had South Carolina... And UConn advancing and now they're going to play in the championship game. That's a really big deal because South Carolina, it's their third trip to the Final Four title game in the last four years.
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And they have this amazing head coach, John Staley, who importantly last year came out in favor of trans rights and trans women's rights in sports spaces. and was asked about it as this like gotcha question and she was like just was like yeah this isn't a big deal i don't know what you're concerned about next question exactly it was such a great answer and it was such a non-traversy because ultimately what are you going to do she's this like if at the height of her game, you know, and you always see these like, you know, like Riley Gaines types who literally tied for like fifth place, fourth or fifth place, like didn't even make it to like the top three. And like, she's the one now turning that into her career. But instead you have this person who's literally the peak of what coaching is in women's basketball being like, who cares?
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And I love that. It's literally how it should be. yeah. sorry yeah other go please oh yeah And so Paige Beckers, who's the presumptive number one pick next year. And so I actually, i thought of this last night and I thought this is like a weird, I don't know the stat on this, but it might, I can only imagine it's the first time that the presumptive number one pick for both women's and men's is a white person because for flag of Duke very well might go number one in the men's like WNBA that,
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the MNBA, if you will. And the WNBA, pagebackers presumably will go to the the Dallas Wings. And so I thought that was just like, I'm like, huh, I wonder if that's actually the case.
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If that's actually, because I can only imagine it is. Well, I'm giggling thinking about how on the podcast that made me like podcasts, the read, they were talking about, you know, like anti-DEI initiatives and blah, blah, blah. And how like,
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What are you going to do? Anti-DEI, the and NBA? the I'm sorry, the MNBA? You're goingnna you' going to segregate the National Basketball Association? Sounds fun. Sounds like something that everyone's definitely going to turn out to watch.
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Yeah, I'm sure that'll go very well, just like all the other efforts. Exactly. But yeah, so Paige Beckers of UConn, they're just, you know, this buzzsaw rolling through. it'll be really interesting to see what happens on Sunday at 3 o'clock Eastern.
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Who are you pulling for? It's hard, because on one hand, I really like the idea of like someone new winning. like i've like I like Paige Becker. She seems like she's with a good player, great teammate, like really like supportive. like they There was like a story of where she was like cooking her one teammate ah like dinner during Ramadan like afterwards. like a really like A really interesting... It just seems like she gets it. It's actually really... like But also, i kind of love South Carolina. So I'm just, I'm excited for whoever wins. we You know, as I described last night as we were watching Drag Race, I was really, i was saying, if we get an Anya Nerve, Lexi Love, like, top two whoever, it's a reverse Aliens vs. Predator. It's whoever wins, he wins.
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Correct. Because Anya Nerve is ah a black queen and Lexi Love is a trans queen. from Cleveland. And from Cleveland. Anya's from Cleveland. um and Jewel Sparkles is our resident ah Latina queen, um and so you know our friend group is pretty well represented. And then there's the ah Sam Starr who now again spoiler if you haven't watched drag race we need to make sure we put a spoiler in this too but like um this is a top four i am totally here for i'm glad that who went home i'm glad and i'm not even gonna talk about fucking suzy too like yeah is out easy too it this i can't that bitch i'm glad that she's gone
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um And this is a final four where I never, I'm always excited at the end of Drag Race when i am rooting for all of the queens. I have a favorite. I'm always going to root for the black girl, but like, and also the girl from Cleveland, but I'm cool. I want all of them to win.
00:13:12
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Really and truly. Really and truly. um Okay, so ah next order of business, um Anthony and I, I think I might use some of our cute um vacation pics for promo because took some really good pictures.
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um But Anthony and I were just in Miami for um his brother's wedding. like ah top Top highlights, Anth?
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How would you describe Miami in a nutshell? Oh, man. um Miami in a nutshell. No, but Miami in a nutshell. but Yeah, yeah. ah Very similar to that. That's a Boston Bowers reference, by the way.
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um The Pimpas family being huge Austin Powers fans. That's such a timely reference, Shauna. Correct. Correct. um I don't even have words, honestly. um I can tell you what my top tier highlight was. With a goal to have the party of the century, and I think they basically fucking nailed it.
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Yeah. like Everybody looked so good. It was so beautiful. Everything went so well. and It was truly like one of the best weekends, or like ah Family, friends, like the whole, like I was everyone everyone was happy joy the whole time I was there.
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Even like, I was such a goddamn good parent from like hours of 8am to 10pm. I was like super dad. Yeah. Crushing it. and then it was like now dad's gonna have some fun and i did indeed have so much fun with all the people i did it like perfect yeah like i never got so messy that i couldn't get up again in the morning and like be super dad again i like yeah the needle it was so mint it's such a great time i really you know most of the time that i've spent with anthony's kids has always been like
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arranged Like arranged time, like we are getting together, the kids will be there, it's going to be nice, we're celebrating a birthday, blah, blah, blah, which is obviously how you spend a lot of time with most of the kids in your family, but to spend time with them on vacation and like play with them in the pool and like,
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I taught Mallory this thing that my dad and I used to do in the pool called surfing, where like you lay on the bottom of the pool and you kind of move along and then the kid balances on your back like they're on a surfboard. And it like it felt so special to teach her that and to do that with her. And like these this these are these are like my I i grew up with their father. And like there were so many times when i would just be like, oh, well,
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when me and your dad were kids like blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And that novelty will wear off. But something about having like a lifelong best friend always makes me very like reflective, uh, in general. Like I feel like even in college, I remember like sitting and watching him play rec hockey and being like, Holy shit, we're in college and he's playing rec hockey. And I used to watch him play hockey when we were like, you know, 10 or whatever.
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um But that's also how it felt to be there for the wedding. Like Jonathan has always been the big brother that I thought was really cool. It's Anthony's brother um because I didn't have a big brother.
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And so Jonathan was always like the quintessential cool guy. He always had really good
Anthony's Brother's Wedding in Miami
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style. And then, you know, he marries this lovely woman. The wedding was impeccably styled. There was not a single moment where I was like, oh, I wouldn't have done that. Like every single thing I was like, great choice, great choice, great choice, great choice, including, but not limited to the number one favorite moment of the weekend.
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So Anthony's family, like, my go-to talking point was like, once you're Pimpus, you're a Pimpus. Like when you're in, you're in as long as you do right. Asterisks, um, some restrictions may apply.
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um but, but, um, Mrs. Pimpus is something special. The original Mrs. Pimpus, not, not the newest, sleep newest crowned Mrs. Pimpus. AKA Yaya. AKA Yaya to Anthony's kids, Mary Jo, the go somehow the loudest member of the Pimpus family.
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um She is, you she is like everyone's second mom. The, she took care of every single one of us. Like the, because it was a destination wedding, it wasn't like, you know, everybody and like all your friends you invite, like,
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It was small or it was still a huge wedding, but like a good chunk of that was like actual family and then like the closest family and friends. Like it wasn't your 20 something wedding where you're like, oh my God, we work together. Come to my wedding. Like it was a chosen few and chosen 200 or something. But um when.
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Angelo, Anthony's dad, was giving the the speech and he like stopped to thank his wife. the I think Jonathan started it. yeah but my brother My brother started an MVP chant and the entire hall, everybody all started chanting MVP for my mom. It was incredible. well was so well deserved. like yeah there's I did like not to like toot my own horn, but I was receiving compliments throughout the weekend from people about like oh, you're such a great dad. It's so nice to see you. And I'm like, I had such fucking good parenting role models. Like they weren't perfect, but like, who was until you like see my brother's friends from college come back as like grown ass men and be like, I still talk about your mom.
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Like, you know, I didn't have that in my life. And to just come to your house and see like, a mom and dad and a family and then to just like welcome everybody in and be like you're in it like let's you're with us like you know like yeah yeah it it makes you feel really fulfilled and i mean i'm sure it made like my mom absolutely should never stop hearing like how oh my god great of a mom she is to not just us but to like all the all of her kids from All of our like individual, like mine and my brothers, both like are different phases of our life. like
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They're all still MJ's kids. The bonus pimpuses. I'm telling you, like there's a select few of us that, like again, when you're in, you're in. They treat everyone like family. like Really and truly, Sam, um me and Andrea's personal trainer was there.
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And you would think like her and Angela were longtime business friends, the way that they were just chopping it up at the dinner table. But then, you know, there's me, life lifer, and it just, like, there's no difference in how we are treated.
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It's, they're just really, they're really great parents. And you, you both are wonderful parents. And it's so wild to think about. ah The fact that I used to call Anthony's house phone, which I, out of out of the many burn cells I have brained away over the last 35 and some change, um your landline, which I will not recite out loud, though I do still remember it.
00:19:56
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I know the last four of yours. I can't remember the first three, though. it It had a nice little numeric bounce to it. It did. Exactly. um the There was a time when we I was calling and asking for Mr. Pimpus. Like, hey, Mr. Pimpus, is Anthony there? Like, hey, Mrs. Pimpus, is Anthony there?
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And now, like, you're a Mr. Pimpus and someone is going to call to ask to hang out with your kids. And the first time it happens, I need to, like, I want it i want to know about it.
00:20:25
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Are they, though? Oh, that's true. You don't have a landline. oh work any That's not how things work anymore. yeah Their parents text me and say, hey, you know Peyton would like to hang out today or whatever.
00:20:39
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I know this is modernity. i'm just like I hadn't even thought of that. But also, as like a kid, I used to have so much anxiety over the phone. yeah And just thought of calling the unknown, not knowing who would pick up.
00:20:51
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I hated it. Especially when I was calling like girls and things like I was like, that was all the layer of nerves. yeah Oh yeah, absolutely. Speaking of, um ah I don't know, absolutely nothing. Well, perhaps speaking of vacation, um we were going to briefly touch on this Mike White, White Lotus nonsense that came out.
00:21:16
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Um, proof positive that once again, this is why we can't have nice things. Uh, we literally have been talking about how, like, you know, Mike White, the creator of, um, White Lotus, like my favorite joke that I've seen is like, Mike White is Ryan Murphy for people who can read, which is like the shadiest thing that you can possibly say.
00:21:36
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um Well, apparently he reads too much. And and also it's kind true because Ryan Murphy is trash. And so it's just proof that like you can have elevated, you know, humor, tastes, what all those things and still be apparently a trash person because he went on Andrew Sullivan's podcast. Who's like a right wing.
00:21:57
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I'm a regular gay, not one of these non-binary, you know, accepting other people gays. Um, And basically talked about what has now become sort of a ah immortal monologue in... That's Edward Norton, right?
00:22:14
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Oh, it's ah Sam Rockwell is the sam actor who does the monologue. Yeah. Yeah. He gives this whole monologue basically talking about how has lived time. Do you want me to set it up since I am the show watcher? I believe I'm the resident. No, I watch it. Oh, you watch it? Okay. Yeah.
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ah Sam Rockwell plays this character who ah is kind of like a mid-season introduction, dirty deeds helper for another very shady character.
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And they're having this drink and he's like talking about what his experience in Thailand has been ah has been like and how he went on this like sexual sort of awakening that started with, you know, fetishizing Asian women and then having sex with trans women who are Asian and then having receptive sex with trans women who are Asian and then realizing that like maybe it's more than just wanting to have sex with these women. Maybe it's about wanting to quote, be the, be that woman.
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And so he goes on this like really kind of well-delivered, well-acted monologue about how he would basically cross-dress and get fucked by dudes that look just like him and pay um a sex worker who is a woman to watch him get fucked.
00:23:31
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And then he would like make eye contact and have this like, as I took it, like sort of transit transcendental, not that type of trans, but like this sort of like um galaxy brain experience of being like, I am her, she is me.
00:23:45
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i am, she is me getting fucked and I am fucking myself through her kind of shit. And then Mike White goes on. And again, you, I personally would never have clocked the AGP of it all. The auto gynephilia part of it all. I was just like, that's kind of some deep section, like sex leads you to some strange places.
00:24:08
Speaker
Could i throw just one? I think that the context specifically of the way it's portrayed, like this man is giving a very serious like insight into his own life, but it is kind of played off for humor because it keeps cutting to Walter Goggins, ah the character Rick, who he's meeting with to do his shady business dealings.
00:24:26
Speaker
And um he's just sitting there in stunned silence with this like epic look on his face. And so as these as the story gets progressively wilder it keeps cutting to Rick and his face is like progressively trying to hold it together. And so it's, it's played for humor but in a way that I guess is informative based off of the way that Mike White was ah describing the scene on this.
00:24:49
Speaker
So I'll let you guys take it from there. Yeah. And I'll add one more thing. And then Shauna kind of, bring us, you know, bring us through. But um it's also, I think, supposed to be sort of illustrative of his like rock bottom because after that he like stops fucking random people and gets sober and has sort of like this moment of, i don't know, realization or something. He's ah he's a practicing Buddhist now.
00:25:12
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Yes, because he he was Rick's party friend and they were, you know, he's there to buy a gun from him like that's insight into what their past was like. And so he was shocked that, ah you know, this guy didn't order a drink. And then he went into this story about why he's sober and he's a Buddhist now. And this is how he ended up there.
00:25:31
Speaker
So Mike White goes on this podcast with this problematic white gay, this other problematic white gay, and starts... Very, like, history of being very racist, very transphobic. Like, he is, like, that conservative gay pundit, like Andrew Sullivan is.
00:25:45
Speaker
And he references this widely discredited theory that is referred to as AGP, autogynephilia... And it's this like thought that the reason why trans... whereas but And it's almost exclusively trans women because nobody cares about trans men ever. And I think that should clue you into how bullshit this theory is. Right. Is that we're like only because we are attracted to ourselves, not as for the sake of being women, as this like... Which is so ridiculous because also...
00:26:17
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One of the things is if you ask the same questions that they would ask trans women to cis women, they would also be like, oh, no, I find what I'm wearing, like if I'm wearing a dress doing my makeup, feel it like I look good, you know, that look good, feel goodness of just how everybody kind of is And they're like, it's not that you're turned on inherently by doing this. It's that I look and feel good.
00:26:40
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And so that lens was turned to make it this fetish, to make it this really like, oh, this is why they're wrong and bad. and clearly this guy, buys and Mike White, buys into this.
00:26:53
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that he's like and built this kind of transphobic like dialogue into his show even and it's just like it's like it's been widely discredited it's embarrassing honestly like that he even knows about it like that is a literally like the trans communities take like on the internets is like how the fact that you know what this is says nothing good about you and it's just embarrassing that you would even like be aware of this because it's so bullshit so like and Like one of the progenitors is this guy, Ray Blanchard, which if you've ever seen Sense8...
00:27:27
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The character Whispers is based on him. Okay. He's very scary. I mean, I had a similar experience when I was rocking that linen suit on Friday night in Miami.
00:27:40
Speaker
I looked fucking amazing. Right. Who doesn't look good and feel good? Exactly. And to quote from our favorite character, Jay, from Clerks 2, do you want to fuck me?
00:27:51
Speaker
I'd fuck me. Yeah. Fuck me hard. Yeah. but So it's it's out there. It's out there. It's a lived experience. My question is like, is this, had he shut the fuck up, had he not, first of all, had he not gone onto a ah right-wing podcast, which mistake number one, blah.
00:28:10
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Mistake number two, had he not brought this up, would that have just been like, would that have been something that people who know what AGP is would have picked up on? Like, I don't know what that is. I do think that there was something strange about how the story was being told, but white Lotus is a strange show. It's supposed to be about right the the parts of people that come out in these scenarios and like,
00:28:35
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who we really are. You know, it's, it's a fantastic show about the human condition, but I would, I would have never given that a name. would have just been like, okay, so he cross dresses and and has some like, you know, metaphysical experience around sex.
00:28:50
Speaker
What's the big deal? Don't we all? Well, good for you. Whatever. leaving on Exactly. Right. And i think, but yeah, So if you look at the recent article in The Atlantic by another very transphobic person who is Helen Lewis, who literally is quoted as saying that um there trans people are a big problem in a sane world, which is a like right like very eradicatory like language. and very like But she argued that like The White Lotus is a post-woke show, that it's...
00:29:24
Speaker
Shut up. I wish everyone would shut the fuck up. But I think there is something that it is clearly a show like this is appealing to conservatives in a way that yeah they're like, no, no, we're normal. See?
00:29:36
Speaker
Well, and there's also this. It's appealing to conservatives because they think that they're just one more Trump reelection away from getting to go stay at the White Lotus because they're all going to be that rich someday. Keep trying. Also, the one conservative written character. And it's funny because. Yeah.
00:29:50
Speaker
there's not Again, not necessarily like a spoiler or anything, but Meghan McCain, one of the characters in this group of three women, it ends up, you know, we kind of learn that she is conservative, and she's with her two friends who are, you know, one's an actress, one's, I think, an attorney or ah something. And You know, the the assumption is like, hey, you know, that weird moment when you find out someone you've known for your entire life is actually a conservative Republican and cool with it.
00:30:15
Speaker
Wow. That's a weird thing to learn about someone, which is relatable for, I think, a lot of us that try to hold on to long term friendships. um But she is the conservative woman is like a very normal human being. She's not out here being a bad person like they don't paint the conservative character in any negative light.
00:30:31
Speaker
except for the fact that she's kind of shady, which some people are. They all are. it's It's actually, and as as both Shauna and Anthony will understand, perhaps more Shauna than Anthony, but Anthony, by way of me, that's how girls can be in friend groups. I cannot tell you, if you have a triad, the likelihood that the other two are not talking about the one that's missing is like,
00:30:55
Speaker
two percent Like, as soon as the girl walks out the door. And it's like, you know, it's toxic, whatever, bo bla blah, blah, blah. None of the the the commentary behind it is fascinating. But as a person who has participated in friendships with a lot of women, it feels very right.
00:31:11
Speaker
But the the conservative character ends up being the one with kind of like a moral, quote, moral center, like, There's some cheating that happens, there's some partying, there's some crazy stuff, and through and through she is kind of like, I'm cool, I think we should kind of try to cool it.
00:31:27
Speaker
And so now I am seeing the fact that like none of the characters who are people of cover color are ever there. Bud! bi from his vacation, and Mr. Bond. Sorry, didn't mean to get a derail, but he was bonking at the bar because he wanted to come see his dad. Thank, bud.
00:31:46
Speaker
Glad to see you, bud. But yeah, the end of that is just like, you know, thinking about how they have portrayed people of color in these shows. Like, uh-oh, is White Lotus kind of kind of problematic? Like, yes, obviously. Because honestly, hearing about like the fact, like, oh, yeah, the one normal character, the secret Republican.
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And the only character that's a person of color is, um and and like, a recording recurring character is an employee of White Lotus who does have, like, her own independent story, but she's the only character. She works for White Lotus. Every season she is working.
00:32:23
Speaker
Like, she's in Thailand to learn about massage because she's a massage therapist. um The queer characters the queer characters are always um like crazy and weird. Like this one, we v the queer guy is the villain in the first season.
00:32:40
Speaker
Yeah. The queer guy is the villain in the first season. mean, it shit somebody in somebody's suitcase. The second guy, the second season, um there's like a bunch of, um,
00:32:51
Speaker
ah gays that end up you know fucking killing ah ah what's her name? They're the villains in season 2 as well. Dear lord. And they kill off one of the like the most beloved characters also by the gays.
00:33:05
Speaker
But it did also you know turn into like these gays are it turned into like the ultimate meme um Oh my gosh, I didn't even think about Tanya as a gay icon. That makes sense.
00:33:17
Speaker
And then lastly, in this season, we have some weird, perhaps incest stuff happening. like We haven't gotten there entirely yet. We haven't found out. Oh, we have. Okay, I'm one the episode behind. Oh yeah, it's... ah yeah Okay, shut up, because I've got to watch it. Yeah, catch up, catch up. Because tomorrow's for Because it's one of those shows that I've been like, oh, I'm like, I should watch this, but now I'm like...
00:33:36
Speaker
ah man It's still fantastic television. I will say that. And I think it's okay to acknowledge its faults or maybe the blind spots that the creator has, you know, but still won't, you know, maybe, you know, but appreciate it for it being fantastic art in many other facets.
00:33:56
Speaker
But it has a blind spot, we come to realize, with the creator. That's fair. yeah or I don't even think it's a blind spot. I think it's intentional. i think i was trying I was trying to be... ah I was trying to be diplomatic. I wasn't just going to drop... You guys can drop the hammer. i very yeah know but It makes me wonder where it's going to go and if this kind of... If it gets picked up more than just in like small corners of the internet because I'm... Especially if there is more to that. Especially when there was rumors that like one of the characters had like a non-binary kid and that character got cut after the election and all of those kinds of things.
00:34:36
Speaker
stuff from like earlier seasons too where I'm now thinking about it. like There's just a lot of stuff. we'll We'll have to come back to it after the season is done. We are recording before the finale. The finale is tomorrow. So by the time you hear this...
00:34:51
Speaker
the the season will have been finished and we will have more to say specifically about a ah thinking about the other shithead author of where there was a lot of really problematic stuff that people kind of glossed over until she kind of played her whole hand and you realized just how informed by prejudice and bigotry she really was that there actually was picked up on the anti-semitic undertones of the um uh goblins and how they are styled to basically look like propaganda of Jews from the Hitler era and they all work in banks.
00:35:24
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never put that together until J.K. Rowling revealed that she's a transphobic piece of shit. And everyone was like, oh, yeah, did you ever notice this? do you ever notice this? and I was like no, I didn't. What the fuck? Yeah.
00:35:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah. no I clocked that. The character, one of the one of like three black characters in the story being a very like racist name, like Kingsley Shacklebolt.
00:35:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I never liked that. And like the Asian girl is named Cho Chang. Like,
Joss Whedon Controversies
00:35:55
Speaker
yeah. Jesus Christ. Again, the way that they clearly fatness is a sign of moral, like immorality in that almost all the fat people are bad people and should feel bad for it.
00:36:09
Speaker
you All right. Anyways, on to better media. Yeah. um And also a quick plug, because Anthony, i wanted to recommend um The Owl House to you. Shauna put me on. If the kids aren't watching it, um they would love it.
00:36:22
Speaker
It is everything that Harry Potter did for us as kids with, like, types of magic and, like, belonging to houses. And, like, you're rooting for this, you know, kind of like, chosen one who decides to make do life differently.
00:36:37
Speaker
It's really good, really beautiful, really representative trans characters queer characters all in a way that is just like oh so shauna put me on there's episodes of this podcast of her telling me to watch this i have since watched all of it and i fucking love it um i think milo will love hootie the owl uh because he's funny um but anyways if your kid hasn't Big City Greens is so cute. And it's literally what, like, my child's watching in the other room, which what made me think of it.
00:37:08
Speaker
And so I love it It's such a cute show, like, has a really great heart to it. It is, like, a good kid show. Also on Disney. It's pretty good. Whatever will get them asking to watch, if they're going to consume media and they're not asking me to watch YouTube, I'm all for it.
00:37:24
Speaker
yeah Big City Greens telling you, it is a great binge and you'll sit down and watch. Owl Stories? Owl House. We'll text it to you too. Yeah. yeah these are These are some classics.
00:37:34
Speaker
Yeah,
Exploring 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back'
00:37:35
Speaker
classics. So we are here to talk through jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. um ah Kind of, you know, we chose to do these ones, this one sort of paired with Mallrats just because of the prominence of jay and Silent Bob. And as stoners, as nerds, like, you know, Jay and Silent Bob are the The standouts in a couple of movies. I mean, obviously, Jane Selenpah is their movie, but like in Mallrats, they are the standout, like just through and through. They are the characters you want to watch. So, Shauna, do you want to get us started on the plot?
00:38:14
Speaker
Yeah, so Dan, Saul, and Bob features favorable, lovable, loudmouth stoners from New Jersey, and they suddenly find out that these creators of a comic book, who are the Chasing Amy ah writers, they had made Bluntman...
00:38:32
Speaker
Yeah. that that's So in Chasing Amy, these characters create Bluntman and Chronic and that carries over... Based on their real life friends and experiences with Jay and Silent Bob.
00:38:44
Speaker
And it hits big. And so now Bluntman and Chronic, clearly based on their likeness, are now going to Hollywood and everyone's giving them shit because this is like the height of that, like late nineties, early two thousands internet where everyone's posting on message boards and everyone is just flaming them. And they're like, we are, we are fucking clown shoes. We are jokes and we need to stop this movie, you know, because stopping production seems to be a very common, you know, theme in the US universe. Right. And so go ahead. Sorry.
00:39:18
Speaker
No, no, please. I was going to say, so, you know, they they they go on the road to try to stop it, and one of the, you know, moments that we'll get to later as they ah they visit Brody, and he takes them on the internet, and Jay literally says, what the fuck's the internet? i wrote Yeah, what the fuck's the standard of the internet?
00:39:40
Speaker
Incredible, really and truly. Just an absolute time capsule of an era that no longer exists, and You know, this is the point. In order to use the internet, they had to go to a terminal inside of a fictional fast food restaurant.
00:39:58
Speaker
And it didn't have like Bass installed on it. So that when they tried to go to moviepoopshoot.com, it was like this site is blocked. Oh my God, moviepoopshoot.com. Definitely on the ban list.
00:40:09
Speaker
Definitely not whitelisted on Mubi's firewall, I would imagine. But hey, it's a movie. willing to And so they go to... Because there's... Kevin Smith actually has his own comic book shop, Jay and Silent Bob's Secret Stash in Red Hook, New Jersey. And so this like, Brody is in this fictional version of it that he is now the, you know, the owner of this comic book store.
00:40:31
Speaker
And they then go and visit Holden McNeil, who is played by Ben Affleck, one of multiple characters played by Ben, because that's what he doing. He was the mom of the Anthem show. My note is so that's not Shannon Hamilton, the guy who likes to fuck people in uncomfortable places. That's Shannon Hamilton, going to be in our, I believe, our next installment where we look at Chasing Amy, which is a personal favorite of mine.
00:40:54
Speaker
And so, but yeah, so him and... banky who they go and they're like they find out they'd sign their likeness away they can't do anything about it so of course they're like well that's ridiculous we can do something about this and they go to fix it which is where they then meet up with the girl squad featuring shannon elizabeth fresh off her american pie like where she's like this is like the height of shannon elizabeth's career where like This is like where like she's writing off the fame from American Pie, and like she cashes in.
00:41:25
Speaker
Jay and Silent Bob strike back. That also features Lajushku. Sorry. Our queen. Ryan and mine's queen. Eliza. you seen likeja Yeah, wait, read read read the Girl Squad again. Okay.
00:41:40
Speaker
Justice, played by Shannon Elizabeth, a gorgeous animal rights activist who Jay immediately falls for, and her crew, including Sissy, played by Eliza Dushku, Chrissy, by Allie Larder, and Missy, played by the wife of Kevin Smith himself, Jennifer Schwalbach, and Reggie, who's Allie's twin, apparently.
00:42:01
Speaker
who's Who was Reggie in there? Oh no, I just have that. ah yeah I don't even know who Reggie is Was there a Reggie in the van? e though oh there was a guy. There was a dude. The guy was it's ah the original Patsy. Sean.
00:42:17
Speaker
Sean. sean yeah sea yeah Sean William Scott. Sean William Scott. Yeah, Stiffler. Because again, this is that era of movies. Yeah. yeah we still like just Just one quick pause. Sean was talking about like you know the peak of of American Pie fame.
00:42:35
Speaker
That was really like the peak of dirty internet humor movie fame. like That was American Pie. Obviously, Jane's on five strike back. um Fuck, what?
00:42:47
Speaker
Like, that Oh, all the parody, move not another teen movie, scary movie. Road Trip, Euro Trip. Yeah. era Right in there. Yeah. that movie That era of movies where they were still kind of like teen movies, but they were nasty as fuck.
00:43:03
Speaker
Like they went from the Rat Pack, LOL, look at us, you know, we're getting high in the library to full blown like fucking jokes about bottoming out and shit. Like it was, was a wild time. It was a wild time. and Wild time.
The Heist Scene
00:43:18
Speaker
And so they then con Jay and Son and Bob into being the Fall Guys for their lab animal rescue, and they ultimately ditch them. You get this really great scene where they're doing the Mission Impossible, going through the lasers. Okay, wait, but before we before we get to that... Yeah, yeah.
00:43:35
Speaker
So, um... They have... While they're... Right. While they're trying to get to um Hollywood. So they join up with that girl gang because they're just trying to get to Hollywood to stop this production. But before that, they try hitchhiking.
00:43:51
Speaker
And that's where we get a cameo from George Carlin. And George Carlin tries to teach them like the rules of the road, which is like ash, cass, or grass. and ass, cash, or grass.
00:44:05
Speaker
And ah George Carlin is the you know portrays this like super progressive, like gay, straight, who cares kind of motherfucker who drives away um and like fully sucks the Strucker's dick as he's driving away. And then- Like the picture of George Carlin just like- Mouth wide. Like yeah that is a standup comic. That man knows how to deal a joke. Like incredible.
00:44:33
Speaker
And so he teaches them, like that's part of like the the the hitchhiking Bible or whatever. And so ja and Silent Bob get picked up by a nun played by none other than Carrie fucking Fisher, Princess Leia herself, because Kevin Smith has taste again in casting, but um,
00:44:54
Speaker
he like There's this misunderstanding because she is talking about the actual Bible because she is a nun, you fucking weirdo. And Jay interprets her as thinking she's talking about like the hitchhiking Bible. like The unwritten book of the road. Yeah, and so he fully tries to go down on this nun.
00:45:13
Speaker
and obviously she like stops the car and kicks them out and... like you know, ah ha ha it's funny, but it was just so wild the moment that I was like, is that Carrie fucking Fisher? Like this woman, RIP, what an icon.
00:45:28
Speaker
What an icon. What an icon. God, you know, but again, such a true, like a Kevin Smith is such a nerd's nerd. that You know, getting like the George Carlin is like a feature in multiple Kevin Smith movies. Cause he's also the Cardinal and dogma.
00:45:47
Speaker
I need to watch Dogma again. but This time with more poop monsters. The Golgothan shit demon. feel like we talked about that yeah maybe on the other one. yeah And I just can always hear Selma Hayek saying that Golgothan shit demon like the way that she does. like what my god. That's so funny. We definitely talked about that and that's something I do not remember.
00:46:08
Speaker
um but yeah i had a toy of the poop monster at one point. Probably somewhere. That's alright babe. We know. That checks out. um sorry when they When they go to um ah movies or whatever um and they meet Shannon Elizabeth, they have this incredible... You know, I am a... Kevin Smith is a nerd's nerd. I'm a faggot's faggot.
00:46:31
Speaker
I love a slow-mo click walk. I can't say it enough. And I love a like, look at how hot these girls are moment. And so when we meet Justice...
00:46:45
Speaker
She's like, oh yeah, I'm traveling across country with like my girlfriends. And so they do that thing and they go out to the van and these women get out and it's fucking Eliza Dushku. Um, uh, what's her name?
00:46:56
Speaker
and And Allie Larder of here, of, of so like, we perhaps need to give Allie Larder her flowers because what a bad bitch. Um,
00:47:07
Speaker
But they all come out and this music is playing and Eliza Dushku is just like fucking tousling her perfect fucking hair and they're all so hot.
00:47:18
Speaker
That moment, once again, like it changed me. Like, because I was so, like watching it now, I'm like, there is a feeling that a young as a young person, I misunderstood as attraction, which perhaps there's like a little bit of attraction there. They are objectively attractive women.
00:47:37
Speaker
But now I understand it being like, Jesus fucking Christ, I love femininity so much. It's so cool when femininity is like used like that in this way. And I wish that I had super long hair to toss around like a slut, not in this weird AGP way, just in like I value the depth and breadth of femininity.
00:47:57
Speaker
yeah. yeah we ship pathlog path I Yeah, pathologically. I look at Eliza Dushku throwing her hair back and go, like I wish that was me. Yeah, yeah no, i wish that was me. You just have to put the cup over me like they do for Jay.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. He's having a completely different reaction this. was having very different experience in Ryan's bedroom while we were watching that scene. I needed the movie's cup desperately. but Precisely. Precisely.
00:48:27
Speaker
I, you know, i probably pretend, I know I pretended to have the same experience, but watching it back now, i was just like, yeah, that's just, you're just, that's, that's good haerography, if you will.
00:48:38
Speaker
Like, I love that shit. So, you know, they convince him, they convince them that they are like peace, ah environmental activists going to do some weird you know, road trip to do something. But as it turns out, we learned that they are going to do some crime and that these are their new patsies.
00:49:01
Speaker
And ah before we leave movies for good, can I just take a beat to give credit to Jay for inventing what a COD Modern Warfare 2 lobby actually sounded like while he was typing out his rant at movies on moviepoopshoot.com. Like, I wrote some of this down.
00:49:18
Speaker
Like, these are definitely things that I heard in a Call of Duty Modern Warfare lobby. or like a Halo 2 lobby before, when you could hear people after the game. All you motherfuckers are going to pay.
00:49:29
Speaker
You are the ones who are ball lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like whiny little bitches. And then after they find those Miramax fucks, we're gonna make them eat... our shit and then shit out our shit and then make them eat their shit that's made up of our shit that we made them eat.
00:49:46
Speaker
And then all you motherfuckers are next. Like all things like almost verbatim that transpired in those lobbies. So Jay, the inventor of deranged people just fucking falling apart and having a total meltdown and in ah in a gaming lobby.
00:50:04
Speaker
And that's why you can't talk to the other team before and after matches anymore, because we couldn't handle it. We couldn't just be nice to each other. yeah Because unfortunately, let teenage boys have unfettered access to audio equipment, which they still do. And now they're just called podcasts. But...
00:50:25
Speaker
not teenage boys anymore. um so you should know how to talk about things and not sound like a fucking raving lunatic. By the way, gamer is a derogatory term is right because of that era and its impact negatively on the culture of video games. t And the, obviously the just innumerable amounts of slurs and misogyny and and blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. So, uh,
00:50:50
Speaker
yeah Also, just general poor hygiene. How the fuck are you going to ever have something bad to say about somebody when your booty smells like a fucking like run-down McDonald's rest stop? like Get the fuck out of here.
00:51:02
Speaker
You don't get to call anyone anything when, again, you're so nasty that you wipe your ass and it smells for days. Really? Yeah. ah Yeah, exactly. It's a lot of Brodies out there. need the There's a lot of Brodies.
00:51:15
Speaker
Exactly. All right. Carry on. I just wanted to. Also, before we get to we leave movies, um was this before or after the um the Scooby gang?
00:51:27
Speaker
ah the van moment. The Scooby gang is what gets them to the movies. Yes. Because that's the dream sequence where they pretend that they're ah smoking weed with the the fake ah Scooby-Doo people, but then yeah that was all just... They just actually got really stoned by themselves and then they left them on the side of the road.
00:51:49
Speaker
Yeah. But um important fact that I texted to Shauna with no context and said, Riley is Fred. and she just sent back like, what? um But the guy who plays the fake version of of Fred is Mark Blukas, who plays everyone's least favorite Buffy boyfriend,
00:52:10
Speaker
Riley Finn in seasons four through six of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. His name is gross. I don't like him and i don't even know him. lucu Yeah, he fucking sucks. That's weird. Mark Lucas seems like a bad sex move.
00:52:23
Speaker
It's...
00:52:27
Speaker
It also seems like if someone were trying to create a fake... ah fake name for the creator of Star Wars, like ah the parody version of Star Wars. yeah, Mark Yeah, Mark Lucas, notorious creator of Star Wars, Star conflicts, celestial conflicts.
00:52:45
Speaker
Okay, anyways, so they they go ah to this animal testing place and ah they go and and they have this incredible Mission Impossible thing.
00:53:00
Speaker
So the guys are charged with releasing these animals in the animal testing thing. But in reality, they are using them as a patsy so that they can rob a bank or something. like some diamond the Diamond repository, I believe. Yes.
00:53:15
Speaker
And in this scene where they are doing their Mission Impossible thing, i and I was like flashing back. I cannot tell you how many times I fast forward, like I rewound and rewatched that series because it's like these hot women in catsuits do, again, doing a click walk.
00:53:34
Speaker
They're all walking in synchronization. And then they go in there and they make their silly little jokes and they have a decibel reader that is also a birth control ah ah medicine thing. are all like They're all like fixing themselves before they get ready to cartwheel through the laser traps. Yes.
00:53:54
Speaker
It's like just peak ah straight guys ah writing hot girls doing stuff that we all kind of want to see. Like, acrobatics and flipping their hair and blowing each other kisses and then farting because straight guys.
00:54:10
Speaker
So, and actually girls too. Like, let's be real. Everyone thought that was funny. Universal truth is that farts are funny. I don't give a fuck who you are. Farts are funny. Exactly. Boys don't get to own that.
00:54:22
Speaker
No. So then they bail and ah they leave with their diamonds and leave ah Jay and Silent Bob to take the fall. And so now they're being chased by Will Ferrell.
00:54:34
Speaker
of course he was the cop somehow yeah right well and i think what's interesting is because there's so much is about miramax which you know looking back now 20 years later and miramax is so hard to separate from harvey weinstein and from all that was going on on that front but that's why you have so many american pie cameos and white yeah like It's very steeped in that era.
00:54:58
Speaker
but you know And I think that's where, spoiler alert for a future episode, but like talking about Chasing Chase and Amy and the experience that like Joy Lauren Adams had with Harvey Weinstein and how like you know that that's part and parcel of why Dogma hasn't been released is because it's still held by Miramax.
00:55:16
Speaker
And they're just now getting that able to be separated. But so much of it is in that negative era of filmmaking. yeah And so in that, in his, you know, awful misdeeds and abuse of power.
00:55:30
Speaker
So I think that's a really interesting aspect when looking at this movie also. And the whole, like, like it's obviously not Kevin Smith's fault, but it's still something that we as, you know, educated film you know viewers and as fans have to be aware of and discuss when talking about movies like this.
00:55:49
Speaker
Yeah, agreed. Because you it's like the only way to contextualize it is to to know about it and talk about it. Like, we can't change what it was. We can't change how it went. we can't change that. We didn't know terrible. We didn't know the terribleness of the things that were happening to these people that we really loved or the, you know, terrible things that people we really loved and respected were doing.
00:56:12
Speaker
And so we don't get to just put our heads in the sand. We talked about this obviously like any number of times with many of our favorite creators ending up being monsters. And, you know, it just critical consumption is the only way to do it.
00:56:28
Speaker
Um, and it also means that you might have to let go of stuff like it does. So for example, you know, the guy that created Buffy, now that I know what I know about him, I can't really watch dollhouse. Like I tried watching the first season a million times and I can never really get into it.
00:56:48
Speaker
And then I started, why I gave it a shot and I was like, Oh no this is like, This is now that I know how he moves and how he really feels about women and how these like now that I understand how women are portrayed in media in different ways, I just can't watch it. So like it doesn't change my feelings about Buffy, but it changes my feelings about his other properties and how I can't necessarily view them in the same way and don't really care.
00:57:16
Speaker
Like, it's OK. I'll never watch Firefly. i I already know everything about who the creator is as a person. So I just don't think I'm ever going to go back and watch it. But like, that's, but those are the things that we choose to give up if we want to try to be sort of like enlightened people. If we want to, if we want to be the people that we say we are, we have to give shit up every now and then.
00:57:39
Speaker
And I'm fine with not rough watching the rest of Joss Whedon's, his repertoire. I'm okay. That's bad. Yeah. Moving on to, um the Now we should talk about the clit.
00:57:52
Speaker
Oh and my god. Talk about the long game of how these girls played them. ah Anthony, would you like to talk about the clit? I am the clit commander. That's not even what I said. I hate I hate you. So this actually, like I i do have a note about this particular scene insofar as It's okay.
00:58:18
Speaker
yeah coming to terms with the fact that there are women out there who don't think they enjoy being gone down on because they've literally have just never been with somebody who knows what the fuck they are doing.
00:58:30
Speaker
Sure. Like I'm going to get really close to the camera. Do better. yeah Please. Fuck me. Like I was flabbergasted to come to this ah piece of information from somebody recently. And it was, uh,
00:58:46
Speaker
disheartening but it did make me think of the click commander scene because that is not a problem I have. And so maybe perhaps I am in fact, but I do not, I do not take my nose and go like this to it. That is not part of the secret sauce.
00:58:58
Speaker
That's part of JC sauce though. Yeah. yeah And he totally breaks when he's doing that. That's totally ad libbed and they have to cut because he just is like cackling as he's like pretending to rub his nose. Yeah. Fucking good. Yeah.
00:59:11
Speaker
yeah so fucking good um So, clit is the made up... So, basically, Eliza Dushku uses Jay's um sort of self-appointed, like, masculine superiority. I can't think of the right words for it, but, like, she knows she can get this idiot to say what she wants him to say because she says, tell us about the clit.
00:59:39
Speaker
so and And so... Having already heard how he behaves and talks about women, the character knows like he's going to talk shit about the clit and I'm going to be able to use this.
00:59:49
Speaker
So he does this, you know, I am the clit commander. i am all things clit. And then they release that footage. And because the media is stupid um and easily manipulatable, they start.
01:00:01
Speaker
basically saying that like they take this as a, the note, I think there was like a note or something that clit stands for. I don't remember what it stands for, but it's like the coalition for the liberation of itinerant tree dwellers.
01:00:15
Speaker
Yes. Because they steal a monkey. Yes. And so the whole idea is like, it's this, you know, ah radical animal liberation group. ah And it's really just fucking Jay screaming about how he loves to make girls not by ah going after the clit. So first of all, cheers to Jay.
01:00:37
Speaker
Important men take note. like figure out the clip. People that have... set well i don't I mean, straight straight like straight men just let everybody down all the time for all the reasons, but that's just one more reason. Just throw it on the fucking pile. Like, bonafide sluts, like, proud sluts who are like, oh yeah, like, never, ever does that happen. and Like, I just stopped and was like, well, I've got some work to do.
01:01:01
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um Okay. yeah So, they get to Miramax and they um sort of crash the set of blunt man and chronic, but before they get there, they walk through any number of sort of like parody movies being made, including yet another weird cameo from Ben Affleck in the sequel to goodwill hunting.
01:01:23
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but hunting too yeah was Was there a tag to that? I don't remember. there was It was like hunting. Was it like hunting season or something like that? yeah Yes. That feels right. yeah That feels right.
01:01:34
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um um So we get a boss. like We, yeah. We get a um you're good ah um cameo with, what's the other one's name?
01:01:45
Speaker
Matt Damon. Matt Damon and Mark Wahlberg. Or no, Matt Damon. It was about F-Lock. Yeah, why did I say Mark Wahlberg? the ah So they jump into this ah fake scene of Good Will Hunting 2 hunting season.
01:01:59
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um and then they also jump into a parody sequel of Scream where we do in fact get a cameo from my number one bitch, Shannon Doherty.
01:02:11
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um And there's like some drama behind that because of like Shannon, like, where Shannon Doherty was in her career and how people had perceived her. I was like reading some stuff about it, but I will say, um I can clock, I clocked when this movie was by Shannon Doherty's hair because it's the hair Prue has in season three of charmed.
01:02:34
Speaker
And I was just like, Oh, I know exactly when this movie was filmed. Shannon Doherty was probably about halfway through season three. She probably already has astral projection. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Like very, and I went and Googled and double checked it.
01:02:45
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um yeah and then they get to the actual lot where blunt man and chronic are being filmed after they have this whole hilarious moment with um jason biggs and what's his name from the creek james a oh yeah the when they the the car that finally delivers them all the way to los angeles you like they get there and there's just like total knockout driving a Jeep and Jay like gets up and he's like massaging his jaw and just yeah I don't know I gotta get out of it the rules of the road yeah the rule yeah yeah yes I do remember that um so yeah they they they steal the costumes off um
01:03:29
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Jason Biggs and ah James Van Der Beek, and they do some sort of like meta commentary because he they acknowledge the fact that American Pie is a film that has been made, which also stars Shannon Elizabeth, but Shannon Elizabeth is not playing Shannon Elizabeth, but Jason Biggs is playing Jason Biggs, which is kind of weirdly meta in a strange way. It's kind of like when Julia Roberts plays Julia Roberts in Ocean's 12th.
01:03:52
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Yeah. Yeah. yeah Well, and James Vanderbeek, not the first time that he's played himself because he is hysterical playing a fictionalized version himself and don't trust the bitch in apartment 23. Yes. Starring Jessica Jones herself.
01:04:06
Speaker
Yep. Yeah. I, Kristen Ritter. Oh my gosh. That is one of my favorite underrated comedies that only has like two seasons. yeah so So they get to, they get to the the lot and who do they like, what, what happens from there?
01:04:19
Speaker
Well, they then, of course, face off with the big villain, the big bad cockknocker, played by of course, Mark Hamill. Because why wouldn't it be? Nerds.
01:04:30
Speaker
Because nerds. I mean, like, just um Kevin Smith living his best life. He's like, I'm going to write a scene in a movie where I get to have a bong lightsaber duel with fucking Luke Skywalker. like Exactly. Taking the hit of the lightsaber bong...
01:04:46
Speaker
Yeah. like entrepreneurnship To steal a bit from another movie, much more famous podcast that talks about movies and they talk about like what piece of memorabilia from this movie would you want to like buy at an auction?
01:05:01
Speaker
It's definitely the bong lightsaber for me. Oh, it's definitely. That is a great question. And I agree with that wholeheartedly. That is a great question. We should add to the list of recurring questions. yeah I'm stealing that from the Rewatchables, so hopefully the w Ringer doesn't come after you if you get caught out and stealing too much of their material.
01:05:17
Speaker
Also a very good podcast. ah Less good than this one, but it's out there. youre try out So they they go into this huge battle and ah it's Mark Hamill fighting Jay and ah Silent Bob in their... in their fucking ridiculous blunt man in chronic costumes.
01:05:38
Speaker
And then the police show up and they try to arrest Jane, someone Bob. And then clit shows up the girl gang, because Shannon Elizabeth has a change of heart and realizes that like, she doesn't think that they should take the fall because they really did a good thing.
01:05:54
Speaker
And there's this giant fight scene, they, One of my biggest complaints is that Eliza Dushku got knocked out in like one hit. And I'm sorry, but in no world is Faith Lahane going down after one hit. She's a vampire slayer. i don't care if she is Faith in this movie or not.
01:06:14
Speaker
Eliza Dushku does not get knocked out. ah Especially not by those losers. But if she does get knocked down, she gets up again. You're never going to keep her down. Boo! Boo! Boo this man! Yeah.
01:06:28
Speaker
Yeah, Shauna's giving it two parent joke thumbs up. Yeah. Well, and then, so then you go, they ended up, so the the movie ends up getting paid. they get there or They get paid, the movie gets made, and you can get this really great kind of concluding scene where a bunch of like people like playing their former characters come in.
01:06:49
Speaker
You see the aforementioned Banky, who ends up actually coming to terms with the fact that he's actually gay and is with the other character, Hooper And like, they really appreciated.
01:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, they take their win. They take their um paycheck and go around the country and track the IP addresses of the kids who
Chris Rock's Comedic Cameo
01:07:11
Speaker
were talking shit. And of course, it's all like 13 year olds. Yeah, like like yeah first asshole teenagers. Exactly. Just get beat down by Jane. sound bob Love it.
01:07:20
Speaker
How many people want to kick some ass? Like that song, which was very, ah I did just want to briefly throw in and that Chris Rock as the director. Yes. Just throwing a fucking hundred miles an hour. Like he's so funny. I forgot. He was not given a script.
01:07:35
Speaker
He was not given a script. There's no way. Like just, just when we say action, just fucking be you. And he just cooked so hard. He was so funny. Like three different times in like the three minutes he's in the movie, I cackled out loud at the shit he was saying.
01:07:50
Speaker
Yeah, so definitely like seriously, he has like three minutes of movie, but it's also really, you know, again, seeing the sort of addition of a ah ah black character that is like funny and notable and it was like oh Chris Rock and then Chris Rock is also in Dogma so like the one thing with some of these um core cast movies like a special like you know a Kevin Smith movie or like you know the aforementioned
01:08:22
Speaker
kind Buffy creator, like they love to use the same actors for different projects. And because of how our individual networks work, they are usually more similar to the people that created those networks. So mostly white, mostly cis, mostly straight.
01:08:40
Speaker
And so it is exciting and shouldn't be, but like when Selma Hayek gets to be in the front and center of, you know, ah dogma and Chris rock has a role and,
01:08:52
Speaker
um It just is, it's it it's ah clearly something of its time because there's no real way that I think something like that would get made in 2025. Well, no who am i kidding?
01:09:05
Speaker
So movies that are created by people who have progressive messaging usually know better than to make the core cast a just group of white straight people. Like we at least get something now, even if it is a little tokenizing. We move that to a degree at least. Like, and it's not as far as it needs to be or should be. But if we're not where it's like, oh yeah, the two black characters in the VS universe. Yes, exactly. Period. Period.
01:09:34
Speaker
So um a couple of last minute things that are ah worth pointing out. There's a Daredevil cameo out of nowhere ah because also Ben Affleck and also nerds.
01:09:46
Speaker
um And the... final performance of the film is by none other than the incomparable Morris Day in the Times.
01:09:57
Speaker
The motherfucking Times. Really, like, ah I do not remember that from when I, like, when I originally watched it. Because we had no idea who they were. right like we were nice nice yeah cal they were yeah I them because of that movie. exactly That joke landed way harder having rewatched it recently. yeah Yes, same, same.
01:10:21
Speaker
So um any other last notes from James and Bob that we didn't touch on? No, it was just a very good, like, I think it was a really great, like, obviously the Clerks universe did continue on after that, but i think it was such a great, you know, end to like the trilogy that was the first three movies and this was like the fourth.
01:10:44
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I thought it was such a great way of wrapping all of that up real nice and neatly in a way that I really appreciated all of the different character, cameo, callbacks, et etc. was just fan service done right.
01:10:56
Speaker
Agreed. ah Agreed. Agreed. It was a little romp and it was fun. It was a bomb ripping good time. It was. Yes. think um yeah i think i i like it even more than I did when I was younger. And I had sort of like a dirty joke humor for it when I was a kid. But now as an adult, like obviously that, that is still the stuff that's funny to me, but sort of understanding some of the more meta jokes and like ah the way that it has aged over time is like,
01:11:30
Speaker
Hearing him say what's the internet was funny in 2003, and it's fucking hysterical in 2025. Like, it's... Or, like, 2000, whenever this movie's made, 2001. Yeah.
01:11:40
Speaker
And then ah then you get Jem's, like, ah Justice claiming that they're on their best behavior, and then they cut outside to Jay and Silent Bob in the foreign convenience store, and Jay is just yelling at some random woman, Hey, baby, ever had your asshole licked by a fat man in an overcoat?
01:11:57
Speaker
That has, uh... That quote has definitely been said in our friend's circle multiple times in our lives as a joke at my expense. So good times.
01:12:08
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um Which reminds me of one of my, again, women are also obviously like, this is not, you know, anything revelatory, but as we were talking about like dirty humor like,
01:12:19
Speaker
ah One of my friends, Megan, that I don't know if she listens to this podcast, but one of my favorite memories um was we were driving in her car around OU's campus and we saw um someone that I think we know, I don't really remember, but she yelled out the window, hey, pretty lady, can I touch you where you pee?
01:12:41
Speaker
And that 100% is on par with, have you ever had a fat man episode? go down. ah yeah You ever had a, you ever had your asshole licked by a fat man in an overcoat? Exactly. All weird things to yell at people.
01:12:53
Speaker
Yes. Yes. All right. So the core question of real hot nerd shit, who is the hottest character in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back? Anthony.
01:13:04
Speaker
I mean, it's our girl. No change. i I mean, I spoiled that like in the first five minutes of the first part of this podcast. It's her. Carrie Fisher. How can you argue with that? Of course, exactly. Anthony means Carrie Fisher. Oh, her too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:21
Speaker
I mean, if there was a type for Anthony, that is my type. The ba hair and the dark complexion. Yes. Ugh. yeah ah Yeah. The women that I think are most like objectively attractive are dark-complected with dark hair. Michelle Visage this past week on Drag Race. Oh my god, get the fuck out of here. Sorry, one real quick note.
01:13:47
Speaker
Everyone that watched Drag Race, the semi-finale or whatever when they have the top, ah Michelle Visage, I fully thought that was a black woman. Raven was clearly doing her makeup that night. Yeah.
01:14:00
Speaker
shauna who who um who's the hottest in jantz on bob straight back you know i'm gonna say shannon elizabeth i think she was really having her moment and i think that like her girl next doorness i think is very attractive and really like and so i gotta go with her yeah um and i will say oh
Eliza Dushku's Impact in Film
01:14:22
Speaker
Eliza Dushku as well. I think, you know, she will always be just so beautiful to me. Like I, you know, I i have unpacked my standards and expectations around white beauty. Like I, ah recognize that, uh, beauty is, along a spectrum of all sorts of different types.
01:14:40
Speaker
And Eliza Dushku is one type of woman that I find just absolutely amazing. like you're so pretty, don't look at me. like i'm literally just i have Since I was a teenager, she's always been. When she tells the pizza guy that she's in the mood for some hot Sicilian and starts pulling her shirt up, yeah like even still, wow. yeah yeah Grown up still. anthony Anthony may have entered puberty while we were watching that movie for the first time.
01:15:07
Speaker
I was like, holy shit. yeah Still got it. Still got it. All right, gang, thanks for ah tuning in for our ah third episode of the Viewers universe. We'll be tying it up with chasing Amy and also sort of talking about the documentary chasing, chasing Amy, um which is about the making of the film, but ah more and it's like about the kind of it's history as this,
01:15:36
Speaker
kind of queer, but still also very queer film in an era where that just didn't exist. Yeah. And I think it's fantastic. I've never even seen Chasing Amy, so this will be my first watching that. I think definitely we should watch Chasing Amy first and then watching the documentary, which is oh, I can't say enough good things.
01:15:55
Speaker
Yep. So i yeah much like Brody or one of the other recurring characters in the VUSQ universe, I have now had my own standalone. So I've been the main character and now I get to fade back into the background and be my cameo appearance in your guys' other shows moving forward yeah until we do this again.
01:16:12
Speaker
It's been such a joy. It's been so fun. Can't wait to lug out our token straight guy friend again. Thank you so much. Always a pleasure. As always, ah you know, ah pleasure. 30 years. of Wow. I almost said something real.
01:16:24
Speaker
30 years of giving each other pleasure, man. Just couldn't ask for, couldn't ask for a better bestie. And on that note. Thanks for tuning in to Real Hot Nerd Shit. You can find us on Instagram at RealHotNerdPod.
01:16:39
Speaker
You can follow me and Shauna Instagram. blue sky at Helen pastels and at intuitive blurred. And I did see at El Toro AP happened to like one of my posts.
01:16:49
Speaker
So yeah, because it's about me and I'm a self-absorbed bitch at the end of the day, just like everybody else. So yeah, I had to, uh, I had to self gloss because here I am. Why not? my I taught him well. All right, gang.
01:17:01
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and but See ya. but
01:17:05
Speaker
All right, y'all, we hit some technical difficulties. So we're going to end this recording here and we'll pick up in part two. See you there.