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Pluribus - Episodes 1 & 2
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A momentous day indeed - not only is Vinnie G back with more peak TV but The Boys (the ones with the juice) are back in town. And by boys i don't mean those assholes on amazon, no it's Nick & Doug, the dynamic duo Joining together to give you the scoop on Gilligan's latest. Does he still have it? (And by it, I mean juice) Tune in to find out!!
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Transcript
Introduction & Podcast Overview
00:00:22
Speaker
I'm Doug Davenport. I'm Nick Ewers. And we're These Guys guys Got Juice. And are us. Us sorry are we.
00:00:33
Speaker
And we saw Pluribus. We nailed it. and Perfect. We got it, guys. Two minds acting as one in tandem.
00:00:46
Speaker
And every other mind in the world is also here with us tonight. Exactly. So we're speaking for almost everybody. ah well in the world, like except for like a dozen people, maybe, or, you know, the asterisks by that, because maybe there's more we don't know about. But, you know, that's ah it's it's most of most of everyone where we represent right now.
00:01:10
Speaker
Yeah, basically, basically.
Anticipation for Vince Gilligan's New Show
00:01:12
Speaker
oh man. I mean, where do we even start with this thing? Because like the marketing for the show, i will i only knew that I was like, OK, there's a new Vince Gilligan thing coming out.
00:01:25
Speaker
He's the dude, you know, like Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, two of the greatest ever do it. And that he was doing it with Rhea Shehorn, who was in ah Better Call Saul, who like a lot fans of that show were like damn that's fucked up she'd like never won an Emmy for that show in general was rudely ignored I mean maybe they were just like we already gave Emmys the better to Breaking Bad we don't need to award your other show that's also Breaking Bad kind of so But but i it was them teaming up together again. And the only, like, I feel like the logline was just the most miserable woman on earth has to save the world from happiness. And they just kept repeating that. I'm like, so what is, and then the name is weird too. It's like-
00:02:10
Speaker
It's it's it's it was weirdly marketed has a weird name, but I feel like that's almost just like a flex on Vince Gilligan's part because he could call his new show poop. But and and yeah you would like but I thought it was called them like pleribus that That sounds like ah like.
Criticism and Appreciation of 'Pluribus' Title
00:02:29
Speaker
i ah It was one of those where i was like, okay, I don't know if this is going to latch on, if this title is even going to attract people. And now that I've actually seen the show, I've heard like criticism from other podcasts saying, like oh this title is bad.
00:02:45
Speaker
I like disagree. i think that it's just I like that it's got a weird and so specific title that you have to Google the meaning of before. Yes, yeah. i'd like I like that. And then I also, in retrospect, that tagline of the the most miserable ah woman on the planet has to save every save the world from happiness or something. is like I'm like, oh, well, that is what it's about.
00:03:10
Speaker
yeah so And I actually didn't watch any of the marketing or or like see any marketing beforehand, aside from the big yellow poster with her, like half her face. Is that poster referencing? Cause it looks that image of like a woman screaming, looking up and then with like a single color background. i'm like, this has it.
00:03:32
Speaker
I mean, maybe maybe it's just similar to other things, but I'm like, is there like some famous horror movie that that's like a reference to? I don't know. I was wondering if it's referencing some kind of painting. The image itself almost looks like it's painted. It does look painted, yeah.
00:03:50
Speaker
It almost looks like digital paint or something. ah And I guess like we're fully into it before like spoiling anything, but...
Vince Gilligan's Storytelling Style
00:03:58
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Everything with the show feels so intentional. What I know of Vince Gilligan is that he is an intentional ah storyteller. And even like things with the poster, like you're pointing out, now I'm starting to think, is there intentionality behind the way that it looks? Every little detail, every word said the show, I'm thinking, oh my God, like oh this is going to mean something later, and I can't wait to figure out...
00:04:28
Speaker
when the show makes me remember this line two seasons from now, because that was that was what was so brilliant about Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul where he'll like tease something. I always think about like the plane crash in season two of Breaking Bad where you see like yeah black and white flash forward it and you're just seeing like this weird stuff being pulled out of walt Walter's pool. It's like a teddy bear and and all this stuff like what the fuck does this mean?
00:04:53
Speaker
And then when you finally catch up to you're like, oh, my God. Like, that it it's just so well thought out where, like, obviously TV, you know, yeah they maybe have ideas of arcs. And a lot of the times they are coming up with, like, the specifics on the go. But it feels all, when it comes together, especially in his shows, it does feel like that he just has, like, a super computer brain that, like, mapped out everything. Even if that's, like, not the reality of how the shows are made, it does feel that way of, like, that...
00:05:25
Speaker
You're just like in like very good hands. And it's like, don't worry. ah you know, he knows where this is going. And he does say he broadly has like a I think he said like a four season ish plan for this show, which is i like to hear that. Yeah. yeah Which is breaking news for me.
00:05:44
Speaker
That's crazy because watching the first episode, it starts going through revealing things way quicker than I thought.
Show's Pacing and Plot Developments
00:05:51
Speaker
Like, I thought that they were we they were going to keep us in the dark about a lot of stuff for, i feel like ah most other shows would like stretch out the reveals that we get.
00:06:00
Speaker
and And it's just like giving us stuff. And I'm just like, so wait, wait. if it's not the first season or whatever, it's going to about like the discovery of what's going on, really. What is the show? Like, which is exciting. I like and that feeling that I also had watching Breaking Bad and even amazingly Better Call Saul to an extent, which is like a prequel. So you're like, how do you keep that suspensive? Like, you know where this is going, but.
00:06:23
Speaker
he still found ways to do that. And like, this is like another version of like, I don't know where the show goes, like from these two episodes, like it, like there's plenty of room to do lots of things, but I'm just like, what, what even is the shape of it? It's not like there's like a very clean, like formula for like what an episode of Pluribus is going to be like, cause it's just, it's, you know, it's a serialized story. So we're just getting kind of just like seeing more and more pieces of it as in, at least in these first two episodes, I'm like,
00:06:53
Speaker
So, yeah, what what what is even the shape of this? Yeah, and before even talking about what happens at the end of any of these episodes, when episode one ended, I was like, oh, my God, I'm so ready. i can't wait, like, for next week.
00:07:12
Speaker
then I realized there was an episode two and I got so excited. I'm like, I have to stay up and watch this thing. i'm and I'm glad they did one and two back to back. mean, I would have, you know, I would have waited the week, whatever, but like, I like same similarly. I'm like, I need to see more now.
00:07:27
Speaker
Yeah. And now that, I've hit a wall and I have to wait until Thursday night, Friday, sometime to watch this. I cannot stop thinking about what's going to happen next and what the future of this show is going going to be, what the whole season is going to turn out like. I mean, like you said, the first episode really gives you a lot of information. It's very well paced.
00:07:55
Speaker
We have, ah I mean, are you cool to start getting into plot details? Yeah, let's just because I feel like the whole show, everything that starts happening from minute one is I didn't know anything that this was good besides divs Vince Gilligan in the star. So like and so to me, this is all spoilers. So like spoilers for Pluribus, like go watch it.
00:08:15
Speaker
Yeah. Sign up for an Apple TV plus trial if you don't have it. Whatever. Ask for a friend's log in. it Just just watch it. Oh,
00:08:31
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So like the pacing we had mentioned or started to mention, there's like this countdown clock and it's 400 something days. And I'm like, okay, this is going to be season one.
00:08:42
Speaker
And then we reached that by the end of the episode. Yeah. And and then it's then it starts counting the other way because it's counting down.
00:08:53
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then you're like, oh, what is this counting down to? And then once we reach that point, it starts like a timer, like it's adding time. So it's like, okay, now this is the time from that point. Yeah. It's like when we first see the actual, um, and timer counting up, we're like an hour into it and it's like, okay, this is just great pacing. And, uh, it just, I wonder if this timer effect is, or this timer is going to be something that the show does throughout its whole run throughout the whole season.
00:09:25
Speaker
But I really do appreciate knowing how much time has passed, but like, I did really love the speed that it just gets through everything. Because we start with these characters who ah you just assume are going to be the main characters that we're going to get for the rest of the show.
00:09:45
Speaker
I don't know if they're ever going to come back. I would be surprised if these characters come back. It doesn't seem like they have much of a reason. But it's like... slowly, not even slowly, like just it just giving you information. It's like, here's this, here's this, here's this, but showing not telling. And i just found it a really ah to be a really exhilarating, like watch this first episode.
00:10:14
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ah Especially this opening,
Themes and Parallels to X-Files
00:10:16
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like, kind of prologue, I guess. I mean, we still – we do introduce our protagonist. Like, we cut to her at a certain point, but we're really just setting the stage for, like, what is happening in the world that that allows all this to happen.
00:10:28
Speaker
And I just immediately am into the vibe because I love movies like, you know, Close Encounters or – What else was i was thinking also thinking about contact, you know, like when when they when they're first picking up the signal and this is just like all these scientists like trying to like figure out what this means.
00:10:45
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Also, that one scientist, the one who kind of like pieces it together or first, you know, he figures out like, this is the this isn't that kind of sequence. It's this, he, he's like, I, I'm not super familiar with, uh, I had to look up his name. It's like Alan McLeod or, uh, or something like that, but he's just popped up in a bunch other stuff. I was looking at his IMDb. He was in like two episodes of undone shout out undone.
00:11:10
Speaker
oh nice. Yeah. It's season two of undone. he was like an orderly. Okay. ah Yeah. Check out Undone, guys, if you haven't if you want to watch some more good television. I would put Pluribus up there with Undone. Even just two episodes in, I feel like it definitely is in that... but That show is also very good at how it doles out information. Not not really at the same pace of of this. Because, like, you're getting in 15 minutes or whatever, how long long this opening Pluribus is.
00:11:40
Speaker
Like... it's like multiple seasons worth of arcs in X-Files because the X-Files had a similar, there's like, i mean, we'll get to the specifics. This isn't really an alien takeover, but there is an alien takeover plotline in X-Files that they would do where it was like, I think that was part of the Black goo storyline there was this prometheus-esque black goo that these aliens would like infect people with like make them swallow and then they would take over they were doing like body snatchers stuff taking over the world like quietly but that was like happening in the background throughout like most of the show
00:12:13
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then This is like speed running that so that yeah, it's like another flight Vince Gilligan also wrote on X files is like like yeah like um' He's kind of playing in some familiar like uh Fields of like yeah, it's kind of feels like something. Yeah, they would be on X files or maybe even Twilight zone, but he's like no we're we're just Speed running through this we're just showing you this and then we're just getting right to the the good shit and Which I loved really like the The sequence that they discovered. So it's like 600 light years away.
00:12:45
Speaker
i think it is. And I don't remember exactly what the sequence is made of, but like the way it goes from, okay, we've discovered the sequence. It's kind of this real optimistic moment. You think it's going to be about this and it kind of isn't then it's ah We jump ahead and we're in a lab and basically we see the spread of this thing and how organized it is. you said Invasion of the Body Snatchers, at least in a text message to me. i ah Yeah, absolutely.
00:13:20
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree
Rewatchability and Depth of 'Pluribus'
00:13:22
Speaker
with that. And there's another thing ah like the leftovers. We'll get more into that later, but I kind of was getting real leftovers vibes from this thing at a certain point.
00:13:32
Speaker
Rhea Sheaward's character has a little bit of, ah what was Carrie Coon's character? Uh, Nora Durst, uh, in leftovers. Something along those lines. Yeah. She, she's, she's kind of has Nora, Nora Durst vibes a little bit. Um,
00:13:47
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i I feel like they would get along or maybe not get along because they both hate everything, but they would hate everything together. They would be like, yeah, this sucks. yeah One thing I do love about this show, and I think it is kind of the testament to to a great show or a great story, is um rewatchability and discovery.
00:14:14
Speaker
after When I first watched episode one, all of the like you know the so there's a scene where they're basically talking about the signal they got being ah virus.
00:14:29
Speaker
and or you know what i'm It's a virus, right? Right. Well, they were they the one guy, the guy who said that was on ah from Undone and other shows, the he was like, oh, this is like an RNA sequence, which is like you can that's, you know, either it's like a specific kind of genetic sequencing or you can also, you know, that's like what viruses and things are made out of. So they start trying to reconstruct it like, oh, this is a formula.
00:14:52
Speaker
My girlfriend's a nurse and she was like, yeah, that that checks out. So um what's it called? But yeah, so and they ah basically say that they've recreated this signal and they've been using it on these rats. And I mean, we're in the full spoiler mode. So like.
00:15:11
Speaker
Going in and rewatching the first time around, I had no idea what was happening as they get further and further into like the lab stuff and the spreading. I was like, I have no idea what's happening. But on a rewatch, I was like, oh, so they yeah, they're shooting these rats up with the signal, basically. And part of me is wondering, do you think these rats have developed a hive mind in this lab?
00:15:36
Speaker
would That one rat is frozen, kind of like the people are. a little bit. And so I was like, so are the rats going through this? Right. Like, well, some of them just straight up die, it seems like, because they don't have the the the formula just right or something. Like, it doesn't seem like it's fully working until... Because...
00:15:55
Speaker
ah how the process happens, it almost seems like some people, it looks like they're about to die or experiencing some kind of cardiac arrest or, you know, like they're just frozen in place and then they come back and then they're online in the hive mind.
00:16:06
Speaker
It looks like some of the rats just straight up died. So they don't, they don't get to like, the successful version until towards the end. But with that one rat that was the success that like bit the, the
Hive Mind Concept and Implications
00:16:20
Speaker
one scientist, is he part of the collective now too? Are they getting like rat thoughts in there? They,
00:16:27
Speaker
They did let and make it a point. They let all the animals go. They let all the animals out of the zoo. I feel like that's going to be something important later. There's a couple things. The guy in Paraguay.
00:16:39
Speaker
I'm like, that seems like an important detail to drop. Why wouldn't he just be a part of that? Why wouldn't there just be 12 from the beginning? So there's like little things I was catching as it was going on where I'm like, OK, this is making more sense to me. Now I'm picking up this here and I'm just like, OK, what's up with the rats? What's up with the animals in the zoo? Not to jump around a bit, but.
00:17:01
Speaker
No, no, no, because I'm piecing i because I, you know, i I had only watched it the one time I haven't gone gone back. But I'm now I'm thinking of it as big picture. Zooming out, I'm like, oh, right. Yeah, they don't kill animals.
00:17:13
Speaker
So are did they also bring the animals online? Because like, is that part of their like, we don't keep we know we can't you know purposely kill anything, but also asterisks in that because, you know, we'll get around to how many people did die in this takeover, which is like, when you get that number, you're like, holy shit, like just the scope of this thing.
00:17:34
Speaker
ah and but is this just a hive that's linked between species? Is this hive linked to with a different hive on a different planet that's also receiving these signals? Whoever sent that signal, we that's still a question mark. they like They explain the RNA sequence and how this thing got gets unleashed and ah connects everybody, but we still don't know...
00:17:56
Speaker
who sent the signal in the first place? What did they even... Were they even meaning to do that when they did, you know, like... ah Or was this something like... ah Because, you know, my interpretation of ah the opening of the thing, when you see the the saucer crash, you know, i never... I mean, I guess the prequel gives specifics of like, yeah, it has its own technology and it's like trying to go back to its world or whatever. But I always thought that it was like...
00:18:24
Speaker
that thing just got loose on another planet and that ship was from something that it, it it infected, like it it infected like a whole other planet. And that guy was, that ship was someone trying to escape and then they crash and into earth.
00:18:36
Speaker
So I'm like, did this signal? Yeah. did this signal fuck up whatever society had like broadcasted like that wasn't even their intention to put it out there or maybe it did get
Comparison to 'The Thing' and Strategic Elements
00:18:47
Speaker
loose in their world and then they send the signal out because they're it's just like the main impetus of this thing is to spread you know like it just wants to break you know they called it like a biological imperative so that's like you know like that's so to to procreate or or to spread your thing like that. That's like maybe this other civilization infected themselves. And they're like, all right, shoot it out there.
00:19:08
Speaker
ah But like what we don't know what what what the deal is with whoever made that. Yeah, because it that is the goal of the organisms like this, right? It is just to spread, just survival, just ah keep itself alive, right?
00:19:27
Speaker
Right, which yeah is why i brought up the comparison of the thing, because the thing... doesn't turn violent until it's threatened to be exposed. Like there's that one scene where he's like, okay, if I know that some of you, us are still human because otherwise would just attack me and I'm human. So like, like it wants to just turn all of us into things because then it'll be safe, you know, like that it's ensured its survival and it's spread. So it's like, that's what this thing also was just trying to just spread everywhere. And like, they even get into the, I do like that the questions are asked of like,
00:20:00
Speaker
Even the astronauts in the space station, people in subs, you know, like people in very remote, hard to reach areas. they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We would like got them first because that's I'm like, OK, so that' that's smart. I mean, that's it because you that you would want to ensure that like no one's getting away.
00:20:17
Speaker
Yeah, that's kind of what I had assumed that like on a rewatch what those ah that saliva shit was doing. I know like somebody was saying that can like help.
00:20:27
Speaker
um grow whatever you're trying to grow. But I feel like they were putting them in boxes. My idea was they probably shipped it to every military that they needed to from within in some type of way.
00:20:41
Speaker
I mean, they straight up like... and crop dust or whatever it onto people like like chemtrails basically yeah which is cool another x filesy thing like taking like real world conspiracy theories about you know people in our you reality like oh what are they putting on our crops with that but it's like oh what if there was something actually being put on our shit with you know it's like some kind of alien germ or virus or something. And so I think, I think that that's cool, but it's like, yeah, they've, they've ensured that this is going to max spread. And initially when everyone, when we, you know, like we meet our, our character, ah but,
00:21:20
Speaker
What's her name? Carol. ah You know, and i I love I love her introduction. Like she's having this this ah new book release and they're what they call the genre of of her books, like speculative historical fiction romance novels or
Character Critiques and Meta-Commentary
00:21:36
Speaker
something. It's like it's like something.
00:21:37
Speaker
ah some kind of pirate romance bullshit like she's dismissive of it she thinks it's garbage i saw someone a comment of like do you think this is vince gilligan almost commenting on uh breaking bad fans to some degree because there's the one guy in line who starts like coming to her about realism of like okay well it's actually this kind of ship and like this character wouldn't do this and that like is that the kind of breaking bad fan that what comes it comes up to vince is like okay so actually the chemistry in this scene or like would point out like like factual like actually it would be like this.
00:22:09
Speaker
and I was getting those vibes, not necessarily from that guy, but from... I get what you're saying with that guy, though. I completely get it. But there was a girl that stood out to me who was like...
00:22:22
Speaker
ah usually he's Rabban is on the cover. How come Rabban's not on the cover of this one? If he doesn't come back, I'm out. And it's just like, oh, this is people who are like, when is there going to be, when is Walter White coming back? Walter White, is he going to be in Better Call Saul?
00:22:39
Speaker
When is he going to be in Better Call Saul? i'm I'm out if he's not going to be in it. It felt like a lot of that. But then when they're at the bar, I don't know if this is me just ah drawing, like, if it's too much of a stretch, but she's talking about the work that she wants to make her big project, and it's called, like, The Bitter Crystalist.
00:23:03
Speaker
And I was like, is that? That's your serious book. ah quote yeah yeah yeah and i was like well bitter crystallous is that walter white he was making crystal meth you could say it bitter because he had cancer spoilers for breaking bad but from the first episode yeah yeah spoilers for the premise but you know i that might have been a bit of a stretch but No, I could see it because like, I mean, even though Vince worked on other things that I would say are reputable like X-Files before Breaking Bad, he also did lots of other random shit. Like he wrote drafts of like fucking Hancock. So like, you know, is him finally getting to have his own show where he gets to do what he wants. You know, like that's probably an empowering moment where it's like you you're not you're just catering to the whims of like the marketplace. Basically, you just like you just this is your idea that you're you're bringing to life.
00:23:56
Speaker
And doesn't this kind of feel like his magnum opus a
Visual Storytelling and Production Quality
00:24:00
Speaker
little bit? I know we're only two episodes in, but I was watching this and I'm like, God, this just feels like the thing where he's like, I, this is my great, like he believes this is his great work. Like how Tarantino is like inglorious bastards is my great work. And yeah, kind of feel it in the filmmaking.
00:24:18
Speaker
Like I kind of feel that like between, you know, like like I leaving it all on the table right now. Oh, Absolutely. And regardless of, you know, people have their own preferences of Breaking Bad versus Better Call Saul. I mean, I'm like, why pit two queens against each other? But ah it that I do think the filmmaking levels up in between shows like you get like really like, uh,
00:24:41
Speaker
ambitious shots in like Better Call Saul where it's like these really long wonders. I'm like, oh my God, this must have been so hard to pull off. And then and then in this, I feel like he is as a visual storytelling. He's like he he's doing his thing. Like, I feel like he I mean, which makes sense. You just keep doing something long enough. going to get better at at doing it. So.
00:25:00
Speaker
I like regardless of like where this ends up ranking in my favorite like Vince Gilligan shows like i I on a visual level like that I this is like immaculate. ah it It looks it looks great. The money's on the screen. Like I feel like I've read how definitely especially in episode two man for that traveling around everywhere.
00:25:21
Speaker
i was like this is a guy showing off. He's like I can put the camera anywhere i can do whatever shit i want you're gonna watch 15 million dollars per episode that's the budget you can not enough they should be spending more apple what the fuck are you doing scar yeah it should be fucking stranger things level budgets for yeah why does stranger things need 100 million dollar at the fuck them give that money yeah know it's a different company but give the money to vince
00:25:55
Speaker
Yeah, Breaking Bad made Netflix arguably more famous than Stranger Things did. That's that true. Yeah. and they Oh, man. Breaking Bad is more synonymous with Netflix than Stranger Things is to me, too. It's just, I don't know.
00:26:11
Speaker
Everybody should be throwing money at Vince Gilligan for this show, trying to get their name put on this. Be on the right side of history, people. Yeah. But the money's on the screen is the point where we're making. that You can see just the ambition of locations, which is like, yeah, we're we're really going to these places. This is like a global story.
00:26:29
Speaker
The beginning of episode two, I paused it, I think. like It was around like the 12-minute mark, maybe. I'm like, he just showed us a 12-minute short film. Like...
00:26:41
Speaker
On Apple's dime. that just It was beautiful. I could have paused it and taken a walk and then come back. I'm saying he's playing something. I wanted to sit there and think about it. It was awesome. And I didn't even know the context of of all
Efficient Storytelling and Global Narrative
00:26:58
Speaker
of that. Yeah. Because it's a very like break of kind of obtuse Breaking Bad-esque opening where you see something out of context. You're like, okay, well, I'm going to know what this means later, but I don't know what I'm seeing. thing But like this, it's a series of things. This like,
00:27:15
Speaker
And I love how efficient and and how thought out these creatures are, but how like efficiently he's made them. It's like this lady is helping remove dead bodies.
00:27:27
Speaker
And I'm just like, on rewatch, I was like, wait, why is she doing this instead of going to where she needs to be now that I know what's happening? And then this guy rides up with the scooter and I'm like, oh, transportation's here. They swap positions. She's on the scooter now.
00:27:42
Speaker
She goes, the she's moving out of ways for other people driving cars. I'm like, they've got this figured out. And then she gets to the plane. It gives another guy a scooter. He's like, okay, I'm on to do something else with this scooter. Don't know what he's doing.
00:27:58
Speaker
That's also another thing. We're seeing so little of what these people are doing Like, but while they're interacting with our characters, then the glimpses that we do see are I'm just thinking about the scope of this just from like a production standpoint, how many extras there are They could have built so much if they're trying to build something right now. They could have accomplished whatever they wanted in the time that we've not see them.
00:28:25
Speaker
We don't know. they could they they learn Because in the time we don't see in between those cut the countdown, you know, skips around, you know, like it'll be, you know first it's like 400 whatever days. And then we're like within 100. You're like, OK, they're you know, what have they done in between this? You know, like especially once it starts, once they're actually loose, it spreads rapidly. So like it's like how, you know, besides just the the no ultimate takeover plan, like what else were they doing?
00:28:55
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. ah i but, um, what's it called? Like, yeah, ah the efficiency of these guys is just insane. I'm i'm waiting for ah some point in like episode, like whatever the last episode is for us to kind of get a reveal of, oh, they've all been doing this.
00:29:19
Speaker
I mean, they are taking, ah they're occupying billions upon billions of people. And you're telling me they're just sitting here while they figure shit out with the 12 people that aren't.
Character Dynamics and Hive Mind Existence
00:29:31
Speaker
I mean, it makes sense that that would be a priority of them to figure out like, hey, what's the deal with these people? But also that's not every all the whatever billions like that are left ah that that that that's all they're doing. No way. Like they got to be working on other shit.
00:29:48
Speaker
Yeah, no, they're just catering to them to keep them comfortable so they don't freak out and kill a bunch of them while they actually figure out how to convert these people into being one of them.
00:30:01
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Once they said that they can't intentionally hurt someone, I'd fucking pull out a katana. Well, first I'd ask them for weapons since they are so obliging. I'd be like, all right, I need this these and this gun, ah some swords, and wait for them bring them.
00:30:15
Speaker
It's like a long walk, basically. You'd long walk it. Spoilers for the long walk. Yeah, and then i take the take the shit they bring me and then I'm like... Just start fucking marking them. I mean, well, I guess you want to be sure of, like, is there no cure? Because that's another smart thing the show does, is it removes any...
00:30:37
Speaker
easy solutions that I love even just two episodes in okay okay they mention offhand that there's like you know a dozen other immune people and so it's like okay I want to meet the English speaking ones and then they arrange it we see everything that goes into putting that together and then they're just kind of regular people like none of them are experts or like super scientists or like biologists or any anyone who would be able to like like actually like figure this out like that so like none of them are a good hang either, to be honest. They all are pretty annoying.
00:31:09
Speaker
Especially, yeah is it Laksma Laksmi ah laxmi or ah whoever the Indians want. Laksmi, I think. Her vibes suck. I mean, well she's in denial, you know, because, like, they all are in denial. of that either that the that they they They have their families there, and she has does has the benefit of her loved one was killed during this process, you know? So that's almost like... yeah a power of hers that she could see through the bullshit of like, yeah because if she had like a fake version of her, her, you know, her girlfriend there who is feeding her this bullshit, who would she fall for it or be more into it Probably not. She's a pretty cynical person, but it would, it would be maybe easier to placate her if if yeah they had that.
00:31:53
Speaker
I agree. I do like that that is the big difference is she doesn't really have anybody. She's alone, so it kind of feeds into her cynicism. But kind of knowing what I've known about Vince Gilligan, wouldn't be surprised if...
00:32:11
Speaker
ah Lakshmi will go in one of two directions. He's either going to make us a love her at a certain point. She's going to take a flip or she's going to be make, ah he's going to make us hate her even more for. She's going to double down on betraying humanity or something like do something so awful.
00:32:29
Speaker
Like, like, you know, like kill one of the other survivors or something, you know like something really bad. Yeah, something's going to happen. She's either we're all going love her or we're all going hate her at a certain point.
00:32:42
Speaker
But the door is open. She could be redeemed because I feel like there is it was getting to her when whenever Carol kept bringing up of like, you oh, that's your son. OK. And then she starts asking the son like gynecologist questions. Yeah, hey, Ravi, when you per first perform some kind of spleen exam, do you prefer metal or plastic? And he takes it seriously. He's like, well, it depends on data. They both have different options. Yeah.
00:33:11
Speaker
And you could see that that's like the reason she gets so upset that Loxby gets so upset is because that is getting to her of like, yeah, that's not really, really your son. It's like individual, which also brings up the idea of- He's also your gynecologist, your prime minister.
00:33:33
Speaker
ah Which is crazy to think about ah because it's like, yeah, everyone, everyone's included. So now, ah you know, rape victims are also the same person as their abusers and shit like that. Oh, wow.
00:33:47
Speaker
See, there's so many levels to think about this on. And the more you scratch the surface, the more fucking weird it gets. I mean, what's happening to all the babies? Yeah.
00:34:01
Speaker
The baby, because there's a moment when she goes to the hospital when she's still trying to, like, save her girlfriend and everyone's frozen. She looks at a stroller and we don't see the reverse shot of what she sees, but she kind of has a horrified look on her face. So I'm like, oh, the baby's frozen like everyone else. But I'm like, yeah, I mean, they're getting everyone. So that includes children and babies, right? Like we've seen kids converted.
00:34:26
Speaker
ah But then that also brings the question of everyone that they brought into this now are pre-existing consciousnesses that they kind of blended, put in a blender together. Can they create new consciousness?
00:34:39
Speaker
Because like if they, you know, the one guy, the one guy from Paraguay is fucking him. So yeah if if he, if they had a baby, that baby is not going to be a new consciousness, right? It's just going to be a shell that has everyone else's mind in it. That's right. Is it, or is it generating, is there something happening in that biological process of him, an uninfected person mating with a person who has it and that there maybe is some kind of,
00:35:07
Speaker
remnant of a person in the baby i don't know i don't know how that works he's going to be the baby he or she is going to be a perfect pod person basically yeah who's the guardians of the galaxy character uh wait which one adam warlock oh yeah yeah yeah like the the the the engineered person yeah Yeah, that's what the kid would be.
00:35:33
Speaker
Just like a perfect pod person. But part of me was wondering, could the babies survive this? They really didn't get into it.
00:35:43
Speaker
I mean, if every baby died, how many babies are in the world? Would it be more than 800 million? I'm sure. not too sure Well, and then there's also their bodies. Remind me of M. Night Shyamalan's old, though. I was like, I don't know, for some reason, I don't think babies would survive this.
00:36:01
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that that it because maybe we wasn't hugged enough. I mean, like that stroll. That stroller or whatever that she looks at, maybe the horrified look on her face is just that baby's dead as fuck. Like not even frozen like everyone else. She just saw a dead baby. And that's why, because we did like I said, we don't see the reverse shot of what she sees in there. So I'm like, did this process just kill?
00:36:23
Speaker
Like they lost a lot of people in this takeover. Does that include, does a good portion of that number include just like babies that didn't survive? Like it seems like a physically grueling thing. Like even if in the best case scenario,
00:36:35
Speaker
You're like on land. You're not like in in a place where you're in jeopardy when you're frozen. But still, it still does some shit to your body. So and then these are still human bodies. So there's going to be a limit like when people just start dying, you know, like so like what's how what how does a species survive long term like this? Like, do they procreate? Like, like, does it?
00:37:01
Speaker
Well, what I would like to know, like, to what extent are these bodies imbued with any kind of supernatural ability? Because I don't know what was going on in the hospital. This guy might not have been paraplegic, but a guy stands up from a wheelchair ah when the invasion is happening.
00:37:21
Speaker
And that kind of got me thinking, like, I mean, does whatever this is give human bodies any kind of enhanced ability? like It, like, overrides any pre-existing, like, condition or whatever. Like, if you had, whatever you know, whether it's a physical disability or, like, some kind of...
00:37:43
Speaker
like If someone had cancer and then they got turned, like do they not have it anymore? like like is that like because Because if they did still have it, then everyone has cancer, right? Also, some of those diseases affect the mind. Dementia, Alzheimer's, like ah what do we and do with that? And then babies, what do you do with a baby's brain? Could a baby brain...
00:38:11
Speaker
hold all of that memory and information and survive can the baby operate and talk like an adult now like that baby could fly that military jet like like that woman was doing in the opening the yeah the baby could could do all that What if we found out they just left all the babies under a bridge or something? They're like, we can't kill them, but we they're no use to us.
00:38:38
Speaker
There's nothing we can do with that. Yeah. I mean, or they just died in the you know the the the transfer process because... Or is there going to be a whole bunch of people taking care of babies somewhere?
00:38:50
Speaker
Like growing them for whatever farming these people are going to be a part of? Is there a use for the babies? Because what is the long-term prospects of a species like this? If it's all like like they have to have some kind of plan...
00:39:07
Speaker
or maybe they don't have a plan and they're going to be fucked because it's like yeah a species needs to be able to propagate itself beyond just spreading the virus. You have a, there's still a finite number of people then, unless you're making new people ah like or, or do they have a way you know, or they're just going start cloning people kind of like the pod people do like that they have some kind of method to do that or it's like in the because you need you need something to put all these consciousnesses in so you need a way to keep making new bodies traditionally that's through um you know when a man loves a woman and you know etc etc that's how we used to do it
00:39:45
Speaker
Wait, so are you talking about adding more consciousness into the equation? not not just more conscious, like having more physical bodies, because what will happen long term over decades, decades, even if there's some kind of enhancement that this virus brings, like they're going to run out of bodies.
00:40:04
Speaker
Maybe that's why the signal got sent out in the first place.
Long-Term Survival and Future Speculations
00:40:07
Speaker
Because they're like that civil civilization, like, fuck, we need more people. And then so it's like sent itself out. I don't know. More people, more animals. Who knows what the long term plan is for all of this?
00:40:19
Speaker
I I wonder if we're even close to anything, if we're even thinking in the right direction. That's what's so exciting about this. It's like we could just be like fucking throwing darts at a board. We're not. Vince is over there. He's like ah he's like tee hee. And he's like, hey, you guys don't know.
00:40:38
Speaker
what do you think what would be your guess behind this guy in Paraguay? I imagine that one of these episodes, it's going to be a cold open with this guy in Paraguay or something. They mentioned him for a reason. i don't think that's going to go ignored.
00:40:56
Speaker
Yeah, I think he's going to have some kind of significance. He's going to stand out from the 12 in some way. If they felt the need to mention a guy from Paraguay they found late, like why did they find him late?
00:41:12
Speaker
Well, is he not the guy who shows up in the Air Force One? Is that different someone different? or is he Is he from Paraguay? i I wasn't sure. I'm i i'm not sure. i thought I kind of thought that that was meant to be that that's the the guy because he shows up late. so ah He shows up late because he wanted Air Force One and it took them a while.
00:41:34
Speaker
But they also said that they found him late. I thought that was the same guy. I didn't know if it was the same guy. I don't, I didn't know if we met the guy from Paraguay. I wasn't sure where that guy was from, who was on air force one. I mean, he was speaking French, but that, yeah, I, I don't know that he is, i don't, know I'm the dumb American. i don't know about countries of, you know, assume Paraguay other places can have a, a French speaking people.
00:42:02
Speaker
Um, If I had time to look at a map, I assume I could find where Paraguay is at some point. mainly just know the Simpsons joke. You are gay. We're trying to read it off the globe. Okay.
00:42:21
Speaker
uh yeah so either he is the guy from paraguay or that's someone we haven't met but i still think if you if he is that guy there's going to be more significance to him because he stuck around when everyone else was like pissed at her and was ready to leave and i think that beyond the then we find out that he has the request that he wants uh you know, this one pod person that they've modeled to look like the original version of, of, of her character ah for from, for from the book ah that he wants to be like, bring her into his harem. And then there's the whole thing of like, they can't make decisions because they're like, Oh, this will hurt one of you. So we can't actually decide you guys need to work it out amongst yourself.
00:43:05
Speaker
And I had texted you um after you watched it. I was like, you know,
AI Commentary and Humorous Anecdotes
00:43:10
Speaker
i don't know if this is intentional or not, But I could see part of the show almost being a commentary on like AI and how people kind of just give themselves over to to this new fad like that they in and in in kind of see or any ah like rational thought of their own to this thing they wanted to just make decisions for them.
00:43:31
Speaker
But then... A. I can't make decisions because it's fucking dumb. Like, it can yeah, actually, it can it can be polite and be like, oh, that's a great idea. I'll do this for you. And yes. And like like the the the way it talks to her almost has like some kind of chat GPT in like tone to it of like how it's being super helpful. it's like, oh, we're here to help.
00:43:52
Speaker
ah These things are so much better than a i this show It's like if AI actually worked like they say it does. i understand your read and I actually am ah i'm not like 100% subscribed. This is what it's about. But I am on board with that read and I'm able to look at the show and see it from that way.
00:44:15
Speaker
But if I mean, the show is generous to chat GBT. It needs to pull back and make it a little dumber if it wants portray it accurately. I was trying to use it today to make a morbid curiosities logo. Guys, go check out that podcast, horror podcast.
00:44:31
Speaker
oh And it was for the movie The Witch, and it was helping me out. And it had... the double, like I took the witch logo and I was like, all right, flip it upside down for me.
00:44:44
Speaker
And it just completely recreated a different logo. And I was just like, I was like, you you had one task, just flip something upside down for me. I did the rest for you.
00:44:55
Speaker
You just needed to flip this for me and you just changed the logo. Yeah. Well, right now, the hive mind has the appearance of being it's hyper competent, but we don't I feel like there's going to be other shoe to drop because we've already seen the limits of like when she gets really mad around it, which I like that. It's like an emotional based response that like causes it the glitch that like when they all get frozen. So I'm like, what else are its shortcomings? Like because like we you can't be angry or you.
00:45:25
Speaker
strong emotions disrupted it can't make decisions there's got to be other limits to it too yeah i i mean do you have any ideas of what the limits they could encounter i mean we already know they can't handle any emotion that is very chat gbt like chat gbt doesn't respond well to anger Well, they say they can't even though like the people when we find out the death toll, which it's like 888 like
Hive Mind Takeover and Challenges
00:45:57
Speaker
million. It's almost like a billion people that that died when they took when they took over when when she finally gets the death toll.
00:46:03
Speaker
And I'm like, are those just people that like it didn't work on like her girlfriend, but they consciously then had to remove people to to like make sure this worked, the people that weren't taken over because so so then president and the senior staff at the White House. so So then that being able to kill is like bullshit or is it's like maybe sometimes or now that they've taken over, they can't kill. That's just the new status quo or something.
00:46:29
Speaker
But it's like that that because could they defend themselves? Let's say theoretically, what if another alien civilization, maybe the people who sent that signal show up and they got they got beef with us using it?
00:46:42
Speaker
could they defend themselves or not? You know? Yeah, i I don't know. And I was trying to think about like the president and some of the senior members not surviving. And part of me was wondering, is that ah commenting on...
00:46:59
Speaker
the age thing, like ah certain people, like, you know, presidents tend to be older. There's always the debate, like, is this person too old to be president? Like, yeah is that kind of the thing? Like, oh these old fucking white dudes all died because they just couldn't handle it.
00:47:17
Speaker
They couldn't handle the virus. But then it's the same thing with the babies. If all the old people died and all the babies died, I feel like the number would be higher than like almost 850 million.
00:47:29
Speaker
Right. Cause there's, yeah, just based on how many people there are on the planet and how many old people there are like, but we do see like, we, they're like the reason locks me has the, like the stick up her ass is because her grandfather died right when, uh, um,
00:47:47
Speaker
she caused them to glitch like the the for the first time so it's like so some old people did make it so I need like the senior staff of the White House and the president i me I'm like they intentionally like took some people out like if they weren't able to successfully like infect and they saw that there was a threat almost kind of like how the thing reflexively will go into attack mode when it's like threatened it's like did did they just like go ape shit and they like killed a lot of people I wonder, you know, they let the animals out and there was a point where they mentioned there.
00:48:22
Speaker
I heard there were a lot of maulings. I wonder if they kind of just let, I don't know, orchestrate something to where the animals end up killing the people that they want dead. And like they they find indirect ways. They, they set up some kind of final destination situation. They're like, we didn't technically kill anybody.
00:48:43
Speaker
Yeah, you leave the water running in a locked room or something. And and then you just right leave a cord exposed by the water or something. like I don't know. that was just I was just being clumsy. I didn't actually kill anybody. Jigsaw is like, I've never killed anybody. I'm like, shut up, Jigsaw.
00:49:01
Speaker
Yeah, unless like maybe those people were just in a situation where they died. like yeah Because like planes would have fallen out of the sky like if very much. i you know, you brought leftovers. You think about the incidental deaths that would have happened during the departure just from like. yeah the flashbacks we see you know like car accidents happen and shit so it's like yeah planes would have fought like a pilot gets taken or gets frozen during this takeover like there's gonna it's gonna go down and then the people from that will die or wherever the plane crashes also if it's populated like that'll take out people so it could just be like chain events of like yeah especially like when once shit starts going off you know we see fires just in albuquerque also i love just
00:49:49
Speaker
how vince just uh unashamedly like it's just albuquerque he just loves it i guess all yeah but it's like the center of the universe yeah my girlfriend partially because mostly because of my description of the show i said this is the creators of breaking bad's follow-up to breaking bad so she took that as oh a sequel to breaking bad And I was like, okay, I can kind of
Humorous Connections to Other Shows
00:50:15
Speaker
get that.
00:50:15
Speaker
It could be. This is after after the furthest. So now after all the flash forward stuff of Better Call Saul, this is the furthest thing that's happened. It could be in the same universe. Why not? Why not?
00:50:28
Speaker
But... So when's Walter White going to show up? Huh? When's Walter White coming? Well, it being said in alberquerk Albuquerque didn't help, but then about like 20, 30 minutes into the first episode, she was like, wait, this this isn't a Breaking Bad sequel at all, um I'm guessing.
00:50:48
Speaker
I was like, oh, yeah, sorry. and and We don't know. That's that's the answer. at this i mean, even though it's a character who was in and ah Breaking Bad, she's just playing multiple. She's just playing. That's her twin. g never We never knew Oh, fuck.
00:51:04
Speaker
I'm forgetting her name. beal sa But we just didn't know that she had a twin who was like a writer. I mean, and but they also are both from Albuquerque. Yeah. Yeah, i say or I mean, doppelgangers. It's a thing.
00:51:18
Speaker
We've all seen Enemy, the Denis Villeneuve film. That spider is real. that's but That giant spider, you can just see And if you're in, where does that movie take place? Toronto or something? Or that's where it was filmed? Yeah, somewhere in Canada. Yeah, they have it the Toronto Zoo.
00:51:35
Speaker
You can go there. It gets loose sometimes. It's just like you see it walking around the streets. You're like, oh, fuck, that's a big spider. Yeah. We might end up seeing that spider in Pluribus, actually. Since they opened the zoos.
00:51:48
Speaker
There's just a giant spider walking around. They might even say that's the spider from Denis Villeneuve's Enemy. classic. That would that'd be a good shout-out.
00:51:59
Speaker
Yeah. I was about to say they, are I mean, did a homage to Mission Impossible, but then I remember that was Predator Badlands that did that. oh Oh, with like the the almost getting stabbed in the eye, like that part? Or...
00:52:15
Speaker
like where so they like go it's the predator and l fanning they're like falling from a tree they almost fall on something and she like lands bugs it the grass that has like that are blades like yeah whatever they call it and like it's like it's also close to her eye i also feel like which is all it's a double mission because of it's the hanging scene and then he also taught he almost gets the knife in his eye like the last fight so i feel like it's like a double reference yeah but i don't conflated these two movies they're very similar i get it they are there is a predator in pluribus two spoilers for pluribus which raises the question how do they survive the predator if they can't kill so they just how are they going to defend themselves and raises another question why is the predator hunting them if they can't kill
00:53:05
Speaker
Right, because it only and supposedly only goes after you know people who put up a fight. But we've already determined Vince Gilligan is very intentional with the way that he tells stories.
00:53:17
Speaker
So I trust that we're in good hands with his inclusion of the Predator monster in this. Yeah, yeah, there's there's there's there's definitely an endgame for it.
00:53:28
Speaker
um But... ah we we We kind of ah we we were talking about the like the difference between her and everyone else ah or the other survivors is that she lost her girlfriend. But the way she plays that scene is so like like there's a very like talking about the leftovers parallels. I feel like it does a really good job of emotionally grounding like these kind of like unreal scenarios where it's like.
00:53:54
Speaker
Like you you can kind of abstractly picture of like, yeah, what if this thing took over the world? But like just to really emotionally ground yourself ah of being the person that's like left all alone by this is like the one person you love is now gone, taken from you by the like she really plays. She plays that so well. Like I i feel like she already is like like you Vince, I feel like has explicitly said, like, I want to get her that Emmy. She should have gotten better. So I'm like, oh, she she already has a shot from this. Just these episodes. Yeah.
00:54:22
Speaker
Yeah, episode two, when she's falling over digging and like her legs can't hold her up anymore, I was like, I've been there. I believe that. i've ah I know what it's like to have your body hurt from working outside, and she's selling it pretty hard, the heat exhaustion, but then she gets that badass moment where she dumps the water out, you know, that's...
00:54:43
Speaker
um she She does it all in this show. She does it all, and she
Carol's Resilience and Character Development
00:54:48
Speaker
doesn't... ah Her character never takes the easy route, like which is why she'll never be bought out by like the hive mind. But i I was kind of surprised like when she starts digging the hole. i was like, oh, she's just going to give her girlfriend like a Viking funeral or something, because like digging a hole by yourself, that's like way too hard. And then she has a shovel, and I'm like, oh, shit.
00:55:08
Speaker
Okay, girl, go for it. i mean Then they bring in the excavator, though. I just like... God, i it almost was more infuriating that they're able to do it so easily. Yeah. I like the attachment that she has to this character. i can't remember her name. The one that resembles Rabban.
00:55:31
Speaker
And i I'm I think IMDb calls Zasha. Zasha. Yeah. Yeah. I... um I am excited to see where their relationship goes. But yeah, it did feel like kicking this character while she was down a little bit, bringing in the excavator. And it's like, look how easily we could do this.
00:55:53
Speaker
Because she we know that there is some attachment that she has for other than that this woman resembles a character, you like her original conception of Vraban, because she asked them to send her back, you know, like when she's like, she's like, OK, you can say you can send her back. And so it's like, was that just I want someone to talk to because I'm lonely, which I would get because it's like there's no one else. I'm like, fine, but fucking send the pod person back at least.
00:56:19
Speaker
She kind of looks familiar, but she's let her guard down. And I feel like as an audience member, I'm letting my guard down too. She gives her that look before she gets on the plane at the end of episode two.
00:56:32
Speaker
And it gives Carol what she needs to be able to run in front of the plane to stop it. But part of me is wondering, like there was speculation on decoding TV of is this character going to break from the hive mind?
00:56:49
Speaker
I don't know if that's actually going to be an outcome or if I really feel like that would be ah super interesting to see. I feel like this character is going to double down on the hurt of Carol and send Carol in a further direction away from these people by the end of it.
00:57:07
Speaker
Because the first time she starts glitching, you know, like when Carol shoves her, i almost thought like, oh, is does she have the power to bring them offline? Like did that not just like cause them like worldwide to glitch, but did that individually she would be broken from the hive or something.
00:57:23
Speaker
But it doesn't seem like that's where they're going with that. And I agree. I'm like, is that the most interesting? And then also it goes again. You know, i said, like, it's good they're not giving her any easy solves, because if the solve is she just gets angry or something and then are emotional and that can, like, break them free. Like, is that like a good solution? i don't know. That's it seems seems a little too too simple, you know? Yeah, and if they can be broken free, I mean, that just seems like ah what a lesser show would kind of do. Again, like maybe they will do that and they'll do it in an interesting way or they'll do it and we'll all hate it. Who knows?
00:57:59
Speaker
But it just seems so elementary for a story like this. Especially since they seem to go out of their way, especially by the end of episode two, to be like, this is kind of an unsolvable problem. Like, you know, I've heard like Vince would talk about how the writers in Breaking Bad would intentionally write themselves in the corners of like, how the fuck is Walt going to get out of this? You know, like like an impossible scenario where it's like, there's just like...
00:58:26
Speaker
physically like how would he even accomplish these things that he needs to do or survive and then they like have to get creative and figure it out i almost feel like this is like a heightened version of that where it's like you have created ah an unsolvable like epidemic that has taken over the world because it's like there are there's no scientists left that can help her there's like no like actual ah at least at this point solutions that are seem to be available so it's like what is the show then like is she trying to solve it is she trying to find some new normal like what what is well you know like what what what what are her goals because initially yeah she does want to gather those people and be like yeah let's figure this out but that doesn't seem like that's happening
00:59:09
Speaker
Well, we don't know if there are no scientists yet. I wouldn't be surprised if there are none, but there's still like, what, six or seven people we haven't met yet? And those are that they know of, because the thing with the Paraguay guy reveals, like, they're not all knowing. They only know what any anyone else on their network knows. So, like, and, like, when they're being like, are you psychic?
00:59:30
Speaker
I also love that scene when she first, like, calls them on the phone, and it's like the press, White House press conference. I'm like, The Chiron keeps changing on the news. It's like, we're not aliens. First, it's like, we're here for you. We're not psychic. That's a good showcase of how on it they are. And yeah, the hive mind thing. It's like, yeah, we have a fucking drone 40,000 feet up. And the moment they realize that's not cool, it's already on its way out there before she's even started talking about it.
01:00:01
Speaker
That dude's already responding and typing whatever thing on the TV before.
Hive Mind Operations and Plot Speculations
01:00:07
Speaker
It's just so streamlined and efficient. And the way they display it is so perfect. And I don't even know if it's something that everyone's picking up on because it's so seamless. But these things are operating at speed.
01:00:23
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ah Maybe a higher level than we even realize, but the showcase of it, the the real small ways, I know that might sound like an oxymoron or whatever. No, I get what you're saying. Yeah, but which is like, it it makes this thing just seem unbeatable. Like going back to Invasion of the Body Snatchers, i ah ah Every time I watch that rewatch that movie specifically, like the 70s, Donald Sullivan one, it's like, I never feel like at any point this is something they're going to overcome. I'm like, it's like, it's basically just like trying to stay alive and stay human as long as possible, because it's like.
01:00:58
Speaker
You're not really because like what what can you do? Like it's like they've taken over everything. You can't really overcome this. is It's too big. So i don't I don't know if that's the case that they actually can't be overcome in pluribus, but it almost feels insurmountable in that way. But yet we there are cracks in it because it's like Yeah, if they don't have the they only know, like I said, everyone else who's connected. And then like, yeah, they have access to global surveillance networks, which are pretty robust.
01:01:26
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You know, if you have every country's like drones and all the cameras and all that, you can see a lot. But it's not everything because there was one guy in Paraguay that they didn't know about it right away. So it's like, are there other things they didn't know about, you know?
01:01:40
Speaker
Yeah, like, ah what are there societies of people that are hidden, like, deep in rainforests or something like that? Well, there literally are in the real world, like in the Amazon. So I'm like, they got those guys? They went to the place where they kill anyone who comes?
01:01:56
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like And they're sure they got everybody. They checked inside of every waterfall. They went inside of the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, what about what about the underwater people in Atlantis? I've seen Aquaman. I know they're down there.
01:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, what are some, like, what about ah bomb shelter people? I mean, I guess they could locate the bomb shelter. I don't know. Like, yeah, someone who's just, like, off the grid, off the grid. Like, they just, like, basically don't exist. Like, you're going to find them?
01:02:26
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Yeah, they would have to make sure that nobody that's been occupied knows that they even have a bomb shelter because right they would know they would have that information if they just told one person they're like, oh, I know where to find them. Let's let's go.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah, and they would already know if they have that person in their fucking lineup immediately. They're just that aware. ah Like, I love the, you're suffering from heat exhaustion or whatever, and that's the opinion of every medical doctor on Earth.
01:03:00
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but They have every doctor so they can on the spot give give that diagnosis. But it's like, is it every doctor? Did you miss someone? What about, you know, like that there has to be small exceptions that they even with their...
01:03:15
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vast reach and efficiency that they that that they're missing something and i feel like that's going to be some kind of key of like if not turning the tide but at least giving her hope of like oh this is not all encompassing because you guys missed some shit and i mean yeah man i'm just excited to see where this goes because so I mean, just on a scene by scene basis, what's it going to be? She's stopping the plane almost like from some end of a rom-com where someone runs and in the airport to be like, don't get on the plane.
01:03:49
Speaker
You know, like one of those endings. but but But it's like, so but what's that conversation going to be then? She's going to be like, yeah. I want you to stay because what what And hopefully that guy isn't around that much in episode three. I'm kind of ready for that character to not stick around too much. Not saying I want him to die, but screen presence wise, I'm just like, God, this guy drives me crazy. i mean, I feel like...
01:04:17
Speaker
though that there's because it's a vince gilligan show and and just like you know he's good at fleshing out even supporting smaller characters that there's more probably more depth that we don't know about ah to to that care like that maybe some of that's just just an act like his his request was air force one so this is a guy who yeah puts on airs and stuff because i saw a post by that actor and he said that vince gave him the backstory of uh that he'd never his mom died in childbirth like giving birth to him so like to have that specific detail for a character i'm like either vince is just that detail brain and even if this character doesn't matter he knows like their full life story but i'm like
01:04:57
Speaker
i don't know, if you come up with something that specific, this guy's probably going to have some kind of reason for being. yeah Yeah, I was and kind of thinking about this guy and his whole vibe, and he really doesn't seem to be affected by the fact that people were taken over. And the world is the way it is. He doesn't seem to...
01:05:22
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have any regard for it He also doesn't have any attachment like Carol, aside from like women as a whole. He doesn't come there with any family or friends.
01:05:33
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Part of me was wondering, because we don't know any of these people. Carol doesn't know any of these people. You had mentioned this guy's putting on airs. He comes in Air Force One. was thinking like he could have just been like some like potentially like homeless person or some He could have been a loser. I mean, by society who has no reason to like other people or vouch for other people like you don't know these people that you're trying to get on your side, Carol.
01:06:02
Speaker
Right. Like now that you can do anything like he can just request anything like if he had nothing like how how powerful would that be to someone who'd like literally had just like they lived on the streets or something.
01:06:14
Speaker
And part of me was wondering, is he because they said that there it's going to be about a month or so before they figure out how to turn these remaining people into one of them.
01:06:25
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I was like, they're probably going to need somebody to test on. This guy seems like he would probably be the dude who would end up either falling for the trip or volunteering. for it in some type way him or that girl who was like I want to be a part of them I feel like that I wouldn't be surprised if that's a plot point where one of these characters leans more into letting them be some type of experiment or and then it going horribly wrong like like that it's like horrific that it's like no this isn't some peaceful transition into like joining the hive like you like you're really fucked up now from it or something
01:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, and that kind of reminds me, I do like that Carol as a character, even though I'm fully on her side. I like that there are moments where they're like, you didn't even ask what it was like. And I was like, you know, that is a good point, Carol.
01:07:18
Speaker
That is one of ah that is a good point being made to Carol. That is one of the first things I would ask, like, what's it like? Yeah, what is it like? What was it like becoming one of these things? be Like if I could talk to a zombie, if zombies had like conscious, I'd be like, so what's going on right now? Like, here are you just like driven by hunger? Like, what's the use?
01:07:41
Speaker
Do you feel and you're feeling and thinking stuff? What's what's that of all about? Yeah, it almost seems like the responsible thing to do. So I like that Carol isn't a completely bulletproof character who we're easily able to rally against.
01:07:57
Speaker
Yeah. ah But that's what makes her so interesting because she's like the least likely person, you know, like if not that this is necessarily what this show is going to be about, but she's the opposite of what you would expect, like the savior of humanity to be.
01:08:12
Speaker
You know, like that this is going to be someone who can actually do something
Character Arcs and Narrative Directions
01:08:17
Speaker
about this. It's someone who didn't care much for humanity before, but now she's having to argue its virtues, which is like an ironic position for her to be in because she seemed pretty miserly and like she hated everyone except for her her girlfriend, and you know.
01:08:30
Speaker
Yeah. But that's also like she didn't have anyone because of that loss. So like her the thought to even ask someone what it's like probably never – that didn't occur to her until someone said that because it's not like she like you know like she had her extended family around was like, yeah, what's what's do the deal now? It's like, no, like that was it. It was the one person and she's gone.
01:08:50
Speaker
And man, now how deep into this show do you think we're going to get when it comes to the sci-fi element? Do you think we're going to stay mostly here grounded on earth with it being about people, their emotions, like it kind of like what,
01:09:12
Speaker
how they deal with it ah here on earth, ah more like a leftovers type of story, or do you think it's going to get to like a, um, independence day or a war of the worlds type of thing?
01:09:27
Speaker
I mean, another comparison I had for this was I am legend because, Is it going to turn into something like that where these people like are just complete... like They're on the outside of society now and they're trying to do what they can to survive?
01:09:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's that's what's so exciting because it's like they could go in any number... like Yeah, there's like... archetypes for these kinds of stories. and And she even references like when she has the meeting with the other survivors, like I've seen this movie. So it's like, we know the kind of stories that this is kind of adjacent to or similar to, but it's like, our I feel like it's going to be some blending or just like subversion of any of those things, because I could see it just staying grounded or staying,
01:10:16
Speaker
Like that for a little bit and then expanding in some like crazy way, because I also started thinking about i don't know that this came to be like during the episode, but like afterwards when I was reflecting on it, I started thinking about how ah the good place like the first season has like yeah it's basically like the one concept. OK, like, you know, there's these.
01:10:37
Speaker
You know, people who are are dead and this one woman who wasn't good is now like, oh, I'm in the good place. I need to figure out how to make sure i i I stay here. And then each season keeps expanding that like the world building of like what is even this afterlife bureaucracy in like crazy ways. So I'm like, is are are we just starting on this level and then we're going to like start zooming out in like weird directions that we wouldn't have even considered.
01:11:06
Speaker
And I think I would be okay with that. Like, this show is expensive for reason. I could see it going that direction. Yeah, just go a whole episode, like a cold open opens on, like, another planet, and we're just like, what? What's going on there?
01:11:21
Speaker
I just really want to watch the next episode. I don't even know what, I wish it was here already, even though I'm grateful that this is a weekly release and this excitement is going to last for last and build over the next few weeks. I like that. i like and last through Christmas Um, yeah,
01:11:41
Speaker
model um The next episode is called Grenade. See, just the episode. time I remember see looking those up when Breaking Bad was airing and then like trying to speculate. What does that mean?
01:11:52
Speaker
This episode made... There's probably going to be the Bruno Mars song. I'd catch a grenade for I'd want a thing for Have there been any needle drops so far? Because I feel like ah Breaking Bad always, would when it would use licensed music, it would be very like memorable and well used. But I feel like they're there haven't been yet in Pluribus, right?
01:12:16
Speaker
Yeah. No, but I do like that Pluribus title sequence. Even those dots that are rippling out. I was wondering, was like, that feels intentional. What is that about? But that's probably the many become one or something like that.
01:12:31
Speaker
um And even, isn't the theme like some type of voices or something? Like, it's like an angelic choir. like Yeah. And is it does it say Pluribus at any point?
01:12:43
Speaker
I think it starts forming Pluribus, yeah, like as it continues. I don't I only saw the opening one because it's only in the second episode. They don't do it in episode one. But, yeah, it's just – It's an exciting show, man. It's exciting to have TV like like there's been there's been some real solid TV, especially this year. lot of show ah great shows, but there's very few things that have me like guessing and like I'm like, this could go anywhere like but beyond besides for the only other show I can think that's like had me like that where I'm like, I can't even like conceptualize or like a full like actual theory that I could fully stand behind.
01:13:27
Speaker
ah this and maybe the chair company at this point is gone crazy where i'm like I don't even know what the the end of the show looks like but that's different because I assume that's a a mini series that that's not going to be that would be surprising if they announced like yeah there's going to be a season two of the chair company like what the fuck what does that mean I would say the end of Peacemaker left me feeling like okay that kind came out of nowhere wonder what they're going to do with that Well, that made me feel a little bit of that, but more a little frustrated. I'm like, James, yeah come on
01:14:02
Speaker
like yeah Like knowing like the larger universe machinations, I'm like, I don't want this story. right and And then he like straight up says in interviews he was giving after like, yeah, this is going to figure in into man of tomorrow. I'm like, okay, well, i want to see that movie, but I don't want – What Peacemaker's storyline resolved in Superman and Lex Luthor's movie?
01:14:23
Speaker
Peacemaker had a very satisfying season. The last episode, i was like, you should have just released that the same day as the second to last episode or something.
01:14:33
Speaker
and didn't need a whole week... leading into an epilogue basically with a bunch of musical sequences an epilogue with a weird cliffhanger I mean there is part of me that likes that it's like cliffhanger that has nothing to do with what we've been watching and they leave stuff hanging that like unresolved Because there's stuff you think that they're going to follow up on like, oh, the alternate universe version of his brother was left alive. So that's going to be like some final boss. He's going to come looking for revenge. And like, nah, we didn't and see him again. all right. Yeah.
01:15:06
Speaker
That might be the only other TV I've watched this year. um Nothing else really comes to mind. Peacemaker and Pluribus. What are some other shows you enjoyed this year?
Favorite TV Shows and Philosophical Themes
01:15:19
Speaker
Andor, definitely top of list. yeah Season 2 is incredible. ah Severance was also really good. Another Apple show. couldn't gel with Severance, man.
01:15:32
Speaker
I couldn't get into it. it just I don't know. Every time I watch it, I'm like, I'm just thinking about work too much. i don't want to think about work. It would like really bum me out. I especially didn't really like the job I was working at at the time when season two was airing, and I was trying to get caught up, and i just couldn't gel with it. It made me kind of sad watching it I could see that because it is commenting on like toxic work culture and just like – Yeah, i was just like, oh, we're doing this to ourselves but it all every day.
01:16:05
Speaker
it it does the interesting like philosophical sci-fi stuff I like where it's like about the self because it's like, oh, well, if your work self falls in love with someone and doesn't and have no conception of your outside life, like what – that's not is that cheating? Because that's a different you, you know, and is also the you're different. Those are different people like you. It's like basically ah another consciousness is your work self in in within the show. So it's like they know I totally get ah i like connect with the concept, but in a sad way where I'm like, ah we're just all OK with living like this day to day. We've just been this is the world. OK, I I hate this. I hate being here.
01:16:49
Speaker
No, i got you. It's not. Well, I yeah it has ah for me, like humor and like weirdness of it, like balances that that out because it is it's it's it's like quirky. Yeah. So I don't know. the I love I love those those characters and performance. But ah yeah, be beyond those two, ah we were said Peacemaker. I haven't watched The Pit yet. I'm not like a huge medical drama person, but I feel like everyone is on that show's dick. So like have to at some point.
01:17:18
Speaker
Watch it. I mean... Ooh, Task looked really good. i didn't get a chance to watch that. I mean, it's got Mark Raffalo. but dead The Hulk. Himself.
01:17:31
Speaker
Yeah, Hulk. That's what he does now, guys. The Hulk. But when he, yeah, it's Ruffles interesting because I feel like there's like the Marvel guys who are like, I'm going to be very specific about what I do when I'm not doing Marvel stuff because I like want this to be like, okay, this is like my thing that I actually care about. Like, so, and and usually for him, it's like, he's either producing or being in like,
01:17:56
Speaker
It's usually like topical or like kind of political. Ruffalo seems like he's very politically minded. So I'm wondering, like what is TASC actually... i It might have something to do with like Border Patrol agents or something. so i like I don't know if it's if it's topical in in in that way. But yeah, I heard it's good.
01:18:12
Speaker
heard it's very sad. i like... Just... it shows with an inherent sadness where characters are just going through tough situations. I don't know why. I really like sad.
01:18:29
Speaker
No, it can be cathartic because also like... ah I remember watching Breaking Bad and I was like had this shit going on in my life at the time even at like the darkest shit like you know Jesse especially going through really dark shit in that show but I'm like this is still like escapism for me because I'm like well at least I don't have to deal with that like yeah my life's bad but I'm not not uh don't have like the cartel after me you know like there's at least least I got that going for me I've actually really been debating on re-watching El Camino. I loved that movie when it came out. I remember watching it twice in the same day, maybe like three times in the same week.
01:19:10
Speaker
It almost made my top 10 of that year, but watching Pluribus has got me wanting to go re-watch El Camino. I think that is a genuinely great movie and wrap-up to Breaking Bad.
01:19:25
Speaker
I kind of want to do like a chronological watch. So it'd be like I'd rewatch Better Call Saul and then Breaking Bad and then. be But but that that's tricky because like there's parts of Better Call Saul that take place after Breaking Bad. So i'm like, wait, so I just wait. I pause the show. Yeah. And then start Breaking Bad and then go back.
01:19:47
Speaker
Re-edit it. Re-edit Better Call Saul. So it fits in the timeline. It's the the Topher Grace cut. Yeah. but That's just a lot of re-watch. That's a lot of TV. I mean, there's a reason I haven't started it because it's a daunting project, but I don't know. I love i love those characters in that in that universe. Yeah.
01:20:09
Speaker
Oh, other TV this year, of Righteous Gemstones ah was awesome. With like a weird standalone Bradley Cooper. e Bradley, it's like takes place during the Civil War. And Bradley Cooper is like an ancestor of Danny McBride who was a preacher, but he was like a scam artist. He was just like some thief who killed the preacher and then pretended to be him. And and like you're following along his plot. um like It kind of doesn't really have anything do the rest. It's just like a mini movie about like...
01:20:38
Speaker
a swindler who then decides to devote himself to god at the very end but it it i'm like oh this is it's probably one of my favorite bradley goober performances because it's quite he's like not doing a danny mcbride performance like one on one for one but he is like kind of doing some of his like mannerisms and like how he like degrades and talks down to people so i'm like oh that's interesting that's like he's like the pro like over a hundred years ago or whatever. Like this was like, you know, this was the first gemstone or whatever.
01:21:08
Speaker
Very nice. I, uh, Black Mirror, the last but season of Black Mirror was really good. Did you watch Gen V? I did.
01:21:20
Speaker
ah I didn't like it as much as the first season because the first season I couldn't click with it. I was like, I don't remember anything from and I really like that first season. I was like, I don't remember i like any of these characters. I like the first season them yeah better than like I like those because of the characters. I'm like, I like this better than the boys because the boys for me it kind of miserable in terms of like I'm like, these guys all suck.
01:21:47
Speaker
Yeah, the boys really, it wasn't until this last season where I really got more into the boys. The boys was a pretty miserable watch up until this past season, but I had liked Gen V a lot more than this last season of the boys won me over. And then, yeah, I couldn't get into Gen V. I was I don't remember these characters.
01:22:11
Speaker
don't remember where we left them. Probably doesn't help that one of the actors passed away. So there's weird character. The way they handle that, I feel like was the best they could do given the tragedy that they didn't, you know, how you how you can't plan for that. Like, I feel like they handled it well, but it's very clear, like the stuff that his dad, that character's dad does. I'm like, oh, well, this was supposed to be Andre, you know, like that they they just like...
01:22:37
Speaker
yeah I mean, his dad has the same power set. and is So like, OK, well, this is now now it's just him doing it. I like the the main the main thing that was the juice for me of season two was I really like the villain. I like that actor. He was in Midnight Mass, ah Hamish Linklater. So he's like has a great presence. But then the show does something annoying where it's I won't spoil, but it doesn't like.
01:23:00
Speaker
Yeah. How ah superhero things do this a lot was like, Oh, there's a villain behind the villain. And then, but the villain they reveal behind the villain is less interesting. Kind of like the end of dark night rises where I'm like, Oh, well, Marianne Coltyard was less interesting than Bane. Bane was cool and scary.
01:23:16
Speaker
Now it's just some lady. I agree. I agree. yeah, um You got any final like pluribus thoughts before we wrap
Excitement for Pluribus' Future
01:23:29
Speaker
it up?
01:23:29
Speaker
um Just fucking great show. I mean, like, yeah, it's it's like we've theorized about like what kind of shape the show could take, but I'm on board for whatever, you know, like wherever this goes or whatever, like even if it kind of just becomes like a hangout show for a little bit and it's not super plotty, I'm also fine with that.
01:23:50
Speaker
I'm like, I'm like, I feel i'm like feel like I'm in good hands with the you know the writing and the cast. So I'm just like, whatever, dude, just to do your thing. like im i'm I'm vibing with it.
01:24:03
Speaker
Yeah, I'll feed whatever Vinci over there. Vinci Gills is feeding me at this point. Whatever he's putting in his Wheaties over there in Albuquerque.
01:24:14
Speaker
Yeah. I, uh, yeah. And I mean, you know, television, i hear a lot of complaints where people are like, I hated this episode of TV. It didn't even push the plot forward.
01:24:28
Speaker
And there are times I just don't even notice that because I really am enjoying the time that we're spending with these characters. I mean, a perfect one to point to where you could argue it doesn't push much forward in the plot is the episode of breaking bad the fly that's a that's an amazing episode yeah and yeah like oh what happens i'm like well it's actually pretty character revealing about wall and and also it's fucking directed also like as ryan johnson directed it and it's fucking looks awesome you get fly pov camera shit it's it's it's really well made uh
01:25:04
Speaker
So even if we have some slower episodes that are just character driven, I'm totally fine with whatever is being fed to me. I just really like this world and every small bit of information raises so many more questions and gives you so much to chew on.
01:25:24
Speaker
And i hope we get four more years of this. If that's what Vince Vincey is. I mean, they have to give him what, what he wanted. you holding you to this vince no you're listening no but apple's apple would be full like i feel like they don't really cancel shows right like because they have such a smaller they're not like a company like disney where they have like ah years of of shit to draw from where it's like they have these shows that they have so you better let that shit run its course because if you cancel it what what do you what are you replacing it with
01:25:58
Speaker
Yeah, maybe if, like, the Pro Max flopped or something, they're like, oh, we got to cut Pluribus. But, I mean, every fucking dude who was like, I'm not getting the fucking new iPhone has the new iPhone. So, I don't know what to tell you. I think yeah they've got an endless income that they, I mean, Pluribus, 15 mil, that's probably nothing to Apple right now. Yeah, i bet seasons. They're going to walk away with it.
01:26:23
Speaker
For just almost ah half a decade of Emmys, they're just going to be walking away with. Yeah. Okay. i mean, good for you, Apple. Don't let Netflix get anything. Yeah. I mean, at this point, I'm much more, you know, like even if you said severance isn't your thing, I feel like on the whole, there's shit on Apple that I don't even know about because they don't really advertise weirdly. Like until I'm watching another Apple You don't wake up every morning and watch the morning show.
01:26:53
Speaker
Or I'll i'll be watch about to watch something else and I'll be like, there's a miniseries with Jake Gyllenhaal on Apple. you know like they have like That's a remake of a Harrison Ford movie? Right. then like You're paying for these big stars, but then you're not they're not promoting it. But I assume it most of it's good. like I've never seen anyone be like, yeah, this show is like unwatchable about
Criticism of Ted Lasso's Final Season
01:27:16
Speaker
Apple. i like At a certain point, not that it's all about money, but if you're putting that much money into this stuff...
01:27:21
Speaker
Like yeah you could kind of the are guaranteeing like a baseline level of quality. Yeah, I mean, and what's going to happen is they're going to put out in a couple of years, and that's going to earn them more money to keep funding severance and all that good stuff. Ted Lasso's coming back. They're pretending that that last terrible season wasn't the finale. That last season was bad. They're not acknowledging that, that they said that was the last season. i'm like, you guys are liars. You said that was the finale. Yeah.
01:27:54
Speaker
That's one of the worst seasons of television. It's enough to have soured me on the previous seasons. It makes... I loved the first two seasons, and I'm like, I don't think I can go and rewatch them because it ends in such a bad place. It felt like self-parody. Like, by the time you're getting to Coach Beard getting married at Stonehenge, I'm like, what the fuck is this? This looks like a ah fake show.
01:28:18
Speaker
It felt like... the blade trinity of the ted lasso seasons that's a great pull that's a great yeah it really had blade trinity energy and actually apparently jason hudakis did not leave character for ted last just like just like uh playing like he just walked around he wouldn't talk to people he left post-it notes like what like leslie snipes yeah he just smoked weed the entire time he was really beefing with ryan reynolds a lot of people were though
01:28:49
Speaker
Yeah, it was like, is he even on the show? It doesn't matter. Like he was probably nearby doing some something with his soccer team he owns or something. Or I don't know.
01:29:00
Speaker
Him and Blake Lively were accusing of him of something. i don't know. ah Good old Teddy Lass. Yeah, I'm not watching that when it comes, whenever comes. i'm i the creator of that did do, like, he's also, i mean, it's the same guy who did Scrubs and
Surprising TV Involvements and Marketing Tactics
01:29:20
Speaker
whatever. Scrubs Masterpiece.
01:29:22
Speaker
Yeah, perfect show. Well, besides the other, yeah the times they kept bringing it back. And yeah, ah I'm ignoring those seasons. ah But with Dave Franco, ah yeah, Dave Franco is, he's, I'm sorry for some reasons there. He's like, I'm an actor. I'm like, okay, calm down.
01:29:39
Speaker
even though he went on to be an actor in parks and rec uh but he has that other show with harrison ford of which i heard is actually good it's shrinking oh shrink shrinking Yeah, Harrison Ford said that that was one of the best experiences of his life, making that show. I don't know if it's over, but I watched a There's couple seasons of it, at least. And I'm like, the fact that you got Harrison Ford on a TV show, I mean, I'm sure the solution was just money.
01:30:12
Speaker
But the fact that he did it and seemingly does give a shit about it, because he does he doesn't have to fake it for press things, because he does it for, like, Star Wars. you know, you ask him a Star Wars question, he'll be like... fucking nerd he knocked your glasses off or something yeah yeah but then but he was answering those red questions though he knew the red hulk questions so He was locked in to ah whatever this guy. So haven't seen the new Captain in America. they I mean have to watch it for Red Hulk.
01:30:41
Speaker
Not good. Not good. On Disney Plus now, watching an IMAX enhanced. It doesn't really load that well on my TV, so it's not that enhanced. It's bigger, but it looks like shit.
01:30:55
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Oh, damn, because I do want to watch the Fantastic Four in IMAX. I only saw it in whatever they have, like larger screen formats, and you know, like a lot of the theaters around here, but it's not actually it's like super screen. Marcus super screen, you know, like, OK, well, it's not IMAX, but it is a bigger screen. But I want to see it actual because like I think they do do aspect ratio changes like when the Galactus shows up or something.
01:31:20
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Yeah, in the Disney Plus version, I'm not sure if they did it in the actual IMAX theater. I'm not too sure. i've thought I was under the impression Predator Badlands was filmed in IMAX because I saw a bunch of posters that said, see it in IMAX. You saw it in IMAX?
01:31:39
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My girlfriend and I went see it in IMAX. The screen didn't expand once. I was like, what the fuck is this? thought this was filmed for IMAX. heavy soy yeah I saw it in 3D. I didn't see it in IMAX. It was cool three d Yeah, I was just like, okay. i The marketing led me to believe there was going to be some kind of IMAX element because of how hard they pushed for it. My Letterboxd photo, follow me on Letterboxd at Nicholas Ewers for Predator Badlands, is one of the IMAX posters. i I was just like, okay.
01:32:10
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Why was it so... Yeah, it was the same thing. When I was in California, they were really pushing for Killers of the Flower Moon in IMAX. And that's when I really learned, like, oh, IMAX, is ah it has to be filmed for IMAX for it to matter. I feel like if it wasn't, you shouldn't be able to hog that screen. like like And then we should circle back. Because, you know, they did the re-release for for Sinners in IMAX, which was cool. I didn't i didn't go see the re-release, but they should be doing that for...
01:32:36
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i kind of assume like they are going to for one battle after another, like once it gets to award seasons, right? Like they're probably going to be like, we're putting this back, back out there. Yeah. I mean, they should put that and sinners back out there. Sinners will probably have some type of awards love at some point.
01:32:54
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I don't see it going completely unnoticed, put it back in theaters. Yeah. yeah tom cruise said to put it back in theater so you have to do what he says have yeah you seen that clip where it's just like influencers he's talking about he's like yeah in like france yeah sinners re-release let's get on that and it's like do you think they can do this this is this is a wendy's It's funny that he didn't say anything about one battle, but then now he's promoting his boy, not his boyfriend, but his boy toys, Glenn Powell, new movie running man. So it's like, is there some beef but because, you know, people's, you know, Tom Cruise is like our last actual movie star, but Leo also is a movie star. So like, is there some kind of like beef where it's like, no, there's only one. I'm not promoting your movie, Leo. Yeah.
01:33:43
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Yeah, exactly. There was another movie I saw him not promote. I forgot what it was. um he should have promoted Frankenstein.
01:33:54
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Yeah. What does he have against that? He almost did a movie with Delta. He still can do mountains man is Tom call Guillermo, save him from Netflix, get him another theatrical released movie.
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01:34:06
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he He do do a $300 million Lovecraft adaptation. I don't care. Just do it. Exactly. Um, okay. Pugs or anything.
01:34:18
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Oh, saying? No, I was saying that, that, that's all I got other than the demands for Tom Cruise. Uh, but, uh, plugs, uh, you can follow me on Twitter at the Doug files. Um, and then also the other, uh, week we, uh,
01:34:34
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did we there's there's a a twitch for these guys got juice now called the juice tube so check that out uh there was like a halloween eve stream uh we did of of ghost watch but we're we're gonna probably be doing more like movie watch alongs tv maybe even some some game stuff so yeah keep an eye out i'll you know be posting about on on my socials but uh yeah that's what i got And follow me on Letterboxd at Nicholas Ewers.
01:35:03
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um You can go check out the YouTube page Movies with Bae. I'm doing ah movie commentaries with my girlfriend. Some of them, we might actually start dropping them on here.
01:35:14
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I'm going to try and figure that out. um But so you might see some movies with Bae on here. I have a horror podcast I do with my friend Mercedes called Morbid Curiosities. We just dropped our episode on The Others. We have an episode on Frankenstein, an episode on The Witch coming out.
01:35:32
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And then we're about to be delving into the Wreck movies. um I'm pretty stoked on that. I need to watch the rest of i only so I've only seen one and two. Yeah, I've only seen one and two as well, and it looks like they get crazier from there. The director actually had a good short. like The last VHS movie was, I think, pretty bad, but the director, or I think one of the director, there might be multiple directors on Wreck, but one of the Wreck guys did a short in the last VHS movie, which was actually good.
01:36:01
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Shout out that. Don't watch, just find that segment and only watch that part. though VHS Halloween, bad movie. I've only seen one VHS and I found it deeply upsetting. so i was just like, okay, i don't think I'm gonna watch any of these ever again. it It's talkeded with me and so weird phrase, especially that first one has like a really grody, like kind of rapey vibe. Like when I yeah was watching them all, I almost was like, did I make a mistake agreeing to i watch all these? Like this is weird.
01:36:34
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that That's how I felt a little bit watching the one I threw on a couple of years ago. But also on this feed in a little bit, we're going to be covering some of the Star Wars movies. If you guys want to start rewatching the sequel trilogy, Doug and I are going to be dropping some episodes on those. So keep your eyes peeled. Keep your ears open.
01:36:57
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um Keep your nose to the ground. Keep your other orifices ah prepared. These aren't the droids you're looking for. All that stuff. We're not talking about that one, though. Never.
01:37:12
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Only the good Star Wars movies on this podcast. don't even know what you're talking about. That sounds like a Star Trek reference. sorry that that That's from Battlestar Galactica, right? It is, yes. Something I'm incredibly familiar with. Great.
01:37:26
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I know all of the Galacticas, Galaga, John Gallagher Sr. and Jr. Yeah, all of the Gallagher's.
01:37:41
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That'd be a good like band name, Battlestar Gallagher or something. like That's got to be someone has used that name. Battlestar Gallagher. that is Gatling gun. I don't know.
01:37:56
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Anyway. Yeah. But that's what you can see coming up on the. and Yeah. we yeah we We got some cool stuff coming. Yeah. And the Nick and Doug side of things. So, but. Hell yeah.
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The boys back in town. Hey, don't assume my gender just because I'm back in town. Yeah. Okay, well, i'm not changing the lyrics because that would be too hard. And I've already commissioned the studio time to do a cover of it. So I'm not i'm not changing the lyrics.
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Have a good night. Bye.