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184- Is there such a thing as 'The Vegan Movement'?
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...or is 'the vegan movement', with no capitalisation? or #veganmovement ? Or are we just a bunch or free spirits bouncing around in the void, making small incremental differences? In possibly our most philosophical episode of Vegan Talk yet, Carlos & Ant discuss not just whether there is a vegan movement, but also what a centralised movement might look like, as well as its perils. For those of you that like hyperbolic keywords, the Pope and anarchy are also mentioned!
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Carlos & Anthony
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Introduction and Debate: Is There a Vegan Movement?
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Hello everybody! Vegan movement? What vegan movement? I'm Anthony and for this episode I'm also joined by Carlos. So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble.
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That's not what butter's used for! Brrrr! Take your lab grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry. they They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
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Hang on a minute. You always pick the
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social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
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No I cannot fly around the city. I don't have
Purpose of 'Vegan Talk': In-Depth Discussions
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laser vision. and Hello everyone, this is Carlos and welcome, welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk and thanks so much for being here. Hello everyone.
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So Vegan Talk is one of our shows where we take a topic and we look at it in a bit more detail. You might have heard one of our Vegan Week episodes before, that's where we look at the news, but the Vegan Talk ones, we take one particular topic and we hone in in a bit more detail. That's what Carlos and I are going to do today.
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If you've not gone back into our archives, our back catalogues to listen to other Vegan Talk episodes, they're all there. You can go right the way back to September 2023. There's nearly them out there as we record in May 2025. So if you're listening in the future, there'll be even more.
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And our hope is that they don't go out of date because they're things like movie reviews or talking about philosophical questions and and things like that. So it's not like our news show that kind of goes out of date after a few weeks.
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There should be stuff that you can go back to and listen and enjoy. So we'd very much encourage you to do that if that tickles your fancy.
Existence of the Vegan Movement: Historical and Organizational Evidence
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All right, so today we're here to discuss whether there's such a thing as the vegan movement. And you can imagine that being capitalised or not. But, you know, what do you think? Well, yeah, I mean, this is this is almost as philosophical as we get, I suppose, really, rather other than questioning our own existence. But I suppose in ah a vegan sense, we kind of are questioning ourselves.
00:02:26
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our very existence. So we talk about the vegan movement on on the show. We'll refer to it. If you look at news stories online, particularly when veganism was experiencing a real surge, I'd say between like 2017 and 2020, let's say when there was a huge, huge surge in veganism, or it was certainly becoming in the public consciousness, whereas perhaps before then,
00:02:55
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It wasn't. I'm giving UK-centric references here. But you would see news articles referring to the vegan movement. But I've definitely heard people questioning whether or not there is such a thing, actually,
00:03:10
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in terms of it not being a hierarchical thing or it it not being a a centrally organized thing. So if we start off with the the mindset that there is such a thing as a vegan movement, Carlos, what indicators would you say there are that make us think, well, no, there is such a thing?
00:03:30
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as a vegan movement, what pointers would we highlight? Yeah, um I mean, we can look at things like shared narratives, coordinated campaigns, and this kind of collective cultural shift that happens around veganism and the even the word vegan just being known around the world from being a very obscure term.
00:03:48
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And we can look at major events like, for example, World Vegan Day, which is definitely a thing. Veganuary, which is definitely a thing. You know, vegan festivals happening across all over the world.
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And then you have organizations which have become kind of much more known and influential, like the Vegan Society, PETA even, ah Mercy for Animals. They've all kind of created kind of these recognizable frameworks and terminology that people around the world have adopted, you know, starting, you know,
00:04:17
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you know, the difference between plant-based and vegan is, which is something that I would say a lot of people are aware of, but which a few years ago would have been, you know, completely a very obscure thing to talk about.
00:04:29
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And then you got like mainstream adoption of vegan products, you know, just vegan labeling on products and people knowing what that means. Not, you know, so there's like, you know, just idea of having vegan labeling, labeling, that being something that consumers and,
00:04:45
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let's say, supermarkets want to have on the products that they display. You have also things like vegan influencer ecosystems where kind of different vegan influences kind of kind of talk to each other and kind of comment on each other's work and share each other's work and it you can kind of bounce
Counterarguments: Individual Activism vs. Structured Movement
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from one to the other. That kind of gives me an idea of veganism as a cohesive, somewhat cohesive movement.
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What do you think, Anthony? Well, I mean, I'm interested in kind of debating of our various opinions on this in a moment. I'd just like to give the flip argument for there not being a vegan movement before we kind of weigh up between us. So Carlos has started off by saying these are indicators that there is a vegan movement, there is such a thing as a vegan movement.
00:05:37
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On the flip side, I think that you could give arguments that there isn't. One that I think is a really striking one, or certainly one way of thinking about it, is that whilst we do have in the UK, the vegan society, um and other countries and other regions might have you know the West Midlands Vegan Network or the Toronto Vegan Association or or whatever.
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I've made those last two up and just so you know, don't go looking them up. They're not necessarily hierarchical force. They're not sort of the equivalent of the government that decides the rules or or things like that.
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Now, yes, the vegan society in the UK does have a labelling scheme, which a lot of companies, products, individuals will choose to accredit their product or service to say, well, the vegan society says this as is okay.
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But actually, there are other ones too. There are other labels that can be used and actually... I would say, compared to a lot of cultural phenomenons or compared to politics or things like that, my perception of the vegan society amongst vegans is not one that they are seen as the ultimate authority or whatever. They're helpful organisations. Some people will disagree with some of the ways they go about things, but they're not the architects themselves.
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of the vegan movement as we sit here in 2025. We could argue that in 1944, they were the ones who coined the term, they started the organisation. So you could say that they were the epicentre and the start of the movement there. But that is also to ignore the fact that before 1944, there were plenty of people who were excluding animal products from their life, who were trying to avoid exploiting animals in their lives. And it's, in a sense, it's quite a an ethnocentric way or a British-centric way of looking at the concept of animal rights to say that it started in 1944, it started with the Vegan Society. So it's been going on probably for as long as humanity has existed. There have been people who have been making a concerted effort not to harm animals, not to use or exploit animals.
00:07:53
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I think there is also an argument to be said that many of us would identify as vegan, many of us would identify as people who are trying to do their best to drive the vegan movement forwards.
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But the ways in which we do so are not agreed upon And in many ways, we could argue that sometimes they work against one another because there's not a centralized or decided strategy. So you could say, I am a vegan activist. I've all my spare time.
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I put into making cages for hens bigger. I campaign against battery hens having this much square footage and I'm putting a campaign together or I'm working with this organization.
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to make that bigger. Whereas someone else will be saying, well, I'm a vegan activist. I put all my time and energy into abolishing animal agriculture altogether.
Unified Strategy: Benefits of Avoiding Resource Wastage
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and you And in many ways, you could say, well, those two things kind of work against one another, or they they're certainly not agreeing.
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um So I think those would be my main sort of arguments for, not mine, but they are some arguments for saying that there is not such a a thing as a a vegan movement.
00:09:13
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I'd also as well question change in society and and and change in the world. very often happens through concerted movements. But then also there's there's change that can happen more organically.
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um I don't necessarily think that political correctness is a force for good. don't necessarily think it's a force for bad either. But that has been change that has happened in the UK, for example, and probably a lot of the world over the last 30, 40 years.
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I don't know that there was a an association of political correctness or or people who made it their life's work, but it just kind of happened. And I'm quite ignorant about the subject, so don't press me any further on that, anyone, because it will be exposed.
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But anyway, they're just some of the reasons why I think you could say that there is not actually such thing as a vegan movement. There's just lots of motivated, increasingly enlightened individuals and that number is is growing and they're doing their own thing what do you think then carlos do you want to do you want to kind of pick a side of the fence or uh elaborate a bit more on your personal opinions well i certainly would like there to be a coordinate like a more coordinated effort towards veganism but i i really don't i'm really not sure how that could take place or
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Why is it you think that would be a good thing? Yeah, ah I think it it would be kind of just having like a unified messaging would be amazing. And having like a more strategic allocation of resources.
00:10:49
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You know, you were you were talking about kind of the welfarist versus the abolitionist perspective. You know the people know, I know lots of vegans who are welfarists, which I don't understand personally, being an abolitionist myself.
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So I think I'm right. They think they're right. And and it's ah it it's a really a discussion that it's it's almost like a discussion that happens all the time and that kind of wastes time and wastes resources.
00:11:14
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And towards people who are not vegans, it just seems that we don't we're not sure what we want, what world we want, because we're kind of trying for both things at the same time. And it it would be really nice if, for example, the definition of veganism excluded health vegans, for example.
00:11:31
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And there was some sort of central authority that said, no, you guys you you guys can call yourselves another thing. you know Just don't use our word, our for the animals word. We don't want to say we're vegan an FTA.
00:11:44
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We just want to say we're vegan, period. So centralized kind of authority would be great for that kind of thing, like in terms of public confusion and kind of having like having like coherent responses to opposition to veganism.
00:11:59
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and um we know that obviously you know in the capitalist world let's say animal agriculture themselves are not centralized you know which they have lobby groups obviously but uh each company is its own company with its own interests and if they could they would just ban all the other companies animal agriculture companies they would be the only one so they they they have a they fight against each other as well but it would also be nice to have like this sort of like central ah authority that kind of describes veganism.
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I would say counter to that is what if the central authority said the things I don't believe in? but Because then I'd be stuck, right? Yeah, yeah. but but but what What if the central vegan authority was the RSPCA assured scheme?
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Yeah. I mean, it's it's interesting because I heard several of the things that you were saying there And the kind of argument that you were giving for it was kind of, I was interpreting it as actually backing up the the alternative point because, you know, I agree it can be a real source of frustration that actually we we use a lot of time and energy discussing and debating things. If we had a more unified strategy, then then that would that would be more efficient. That would could be a more
00:13:21
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efficient and effective use of those resources. But my thinking was, well, deciding on what that unified direction is, that's going to use up lots of time and energy to, obviously, and i i know I know you're not um advocating for like authoritarianism or or a dictatorship or anything like that, but that is obviously ah a very valid counterpoint to there being one central direction and we don't waste time arguing about the vegan vatican the vegan vatican the vegan pope yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly i'm wondering though whether it maybe this is a bit of a cop-out but could we say that there is a vegan movement and within that vegan movement or that vegan movement is an umbrella but underneath that umbrella is an abolitionist vegan movement
00:14:13
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and a welfarist vegan movement. Do you know what I mean? So it's kind of like there are things that these people will agree on, but then there are other there are other subcategories of of people who are working very hard and earnestly but for an even more refined approach to these things.
00:14:33
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Again, i'm I'm very ignorant about the church, but you, you know, in the Christian church, you have Baptists, you have Methodists, you have Anglicans, you know, ah but but you can still call them all Christians. Yeah. And we could still call welfarist vegan part of the vegan movement. I mean, yeah, I'll call them welfarist vegan if they are vegan. Of course, if they're vegan, they're vegan, you know, even even a vegan who does no activism and who hides,
00:14:59
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the fact that they're vegan is still a vegan, you know, because that's like a personal thing. I don't think ah that that this is another debate. I think we've you've already had on vegan talk with whether all vegans need to be activists. But um I would call even a vegan was not an activist as a vegan.
00:15:17
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<unk> You know, if all they do is their own actions. But if I can just interject, my my own personal opinion is that anybody who is vegan in 2025 is an activist and end of because you're less than five percent of of the population is is living that way and that is quite a bold thing to do and we're social creatures and it's difficult to put our head above the parapet that's that's not saying that we shouldn't strive to do as much activism as we can but i i think anyone who is
00:15:50
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who is simply identifying as vegan, that's that's a really bold statement in a world that's very much not vegan, in my opinion. Yeah. Look, in my um and my world of vegan activism, which usually starts around September and ends around March, there's also one organisation which is the the voice of of the type of direct action I do. And I can tell you, dave they're very hierarchical and they... um and they bureaucratic and they've exactly this the type of risks you run from having a centralized movement and that organization is very small it controls very little man money in the grand scheme of things and it's been you know it's been vulnerable to this kind of fossilized leadership that doesn't want to give up its power yeah
00:16:41
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well Without naming any names, but being very obvious about what I'm talking about. course. But yeah, and then that's a very small organization. imagine Imagine this at a much bigger scale with much controlling a lot more money and a lot more power. and influence Yes.
00:16:55
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i One thing I wonder is whether the vegan movement could be described as an anarchic.
Anarchic Nature of the Vegan Movement: Voluntary Cooperation
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movement and there are lots of misinterpretations of what anarchy and anarchism means but one definition isn't there's normally two definitions given one is normally oh it's a state of disorder it's chaos and that's normally the one that people go to in their minds but another quite literal definition of of what the term in my opinion is is supposed to mean is simply
00:17:26
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the organisation of a society or a group, but a way of doing things on the basis of voluntary cooperation. So you're assuming that people are good You're assuming that people want the right thing.
00:17:39
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And so you don't put in hierarchies. You don't put in institutions or whatever. And just people get on with things in the way that they see to be best. And of course, that doesn't mean it's always going to be done in the best way. doesn't mean that there's not going to be disagreements and things like that.
00:17:56
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but people get on with things and you don't need institutions or hierarchies to tell you what to do. And I wonder whether as a whole, the vegan movement could be described as an anarchic movement.
00:18:11
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Obviously, you've identified, Carlos, within it, there could be organisations that decide to be hierarchical or, you know, and and and there can be arguments for that. i'm I'm not saying that all hierarchical organizations are ah bad but as a whole as a movement i wonder whether it could be described as an anarchic one yeah with with hundreds or thousands of independent actors um some of them inside organizations others by themselves uh i mean the the whole kind of alt protein world is a corporate world because you need an r&d team you need to pay people salaries you work you really can't
00:18:47
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You know, my world of hunt saving is a world that happens mostly on weekends and people's spare time. But if you're doing research on a consumer product that people are going to ah ingest, it it can't be like a hobby, right? It needs to be organized like a proper company with a proper R&D team with scientific research. And in our current world, there's only one way to organize that. And that's for like with a, you know, hierarchy, a CEO, a director of operations, you know payroll, and so on and so forth, some sort of management. And that organization like that will never be described as an anarchic organization in any way, shape form.
00:19:23
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But that's just one one expression of of this, right? Whereas other active, like for example, street outreach movements, they have organizers who, for example, have the power to say, well, you're not on message, please don't come back.
00:19:38
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But it's a very loose hierarchy in that sense. But as you said, every you know being alive in 2025, no matter where you are in the world, being a vegan is already an active and act of defiance and activism just by existing.
00:19:52
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In that sense, you know very loose, very anarchic. I would say it's our job, and and then I think this podcast does that job too, of kind of trying to present its own version of veganism and trying to influence people in that way.
00:20:06
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Not saying, you know you know, there's no vegan police, which is... ah Say vegan police and vegan pop are two terms I use all the time in my in my life, yeah where where people come to me and say, oh, can I eat this? It's like, I'm not the vegan police, you know? Yeah.
00:20:21
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you know I'm not going to arrest you for for having honey or whatever. you know I'll give you my opinion on it, but you know I'm not the vegan police or the vegan pope who makes the rules. There's no vegan pope. You have to decide if this is animal exploitation or not.
00:20:35
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It's interesting, isn't it, how often people, to to to go on the the kind of the question of, well, can I do this? Should I do this? It's interesting how often we go back to the vegan society's definition.
00:20:46
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Maybe it's because it is just airtight and it's just brilliant. But I find that quite interesting. now I wonder whether that's just because, you know, we're we're generally products of a dominant culture that does defer to authority and rules and things like that and the vegan society is the closest thing to a hierarchical kind of like you know top of the tree vegan pope sort of thing well the vegan society says it's uh wherever possible and practicable so i think that's actually fine um but but that's quite interesting isn't it i don't know whether that's your experience carlos like very often but i i hear that definition quoted a lot and i also hear critiques
00:21:25
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of the vegan society, whereas no one seems to critique that definition. It's interesting. interesting Well, there there have been a few alternatives proposed to it. I would say, in as you said, in 2025, in the non-vegan world, it's a very reasonable definition, I would say.
00:21:40
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If you were living in a vegan world, I would exclude the the bits where it talks about being appropriate and practical and so on and so forth. um But we're not you know not everybody lives in central London, for example, where where it's so easy.
00:21:56
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I don't live in Central London, I should say, but you know ah although I go there quite often, where it's so easy to be vegan and exclude the practical bits and just assume that there's still going to be bits where it's going to be so hard, like you know buying a car, for example. There's going to be like some little leather thing somewhere that you don't even know about.
00:22:16
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But yeah, it's a good definition. i mean, look, there's there's also... There's also actual religious vegans, right? And those, they won't have a Pope, but they'll have like a Pope-like figure anyway, which might be a book or might be the writings of some person in the past who said that animals should not be harmed as part of living. So, ah you know, they they do they do have like central authority figure, although those are so pretty much in the minority of of the vegan world.
00:22:45
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i I really like the fact that in the, I'm going to call it in the vegan movement, I'm kind of giving my side of that ah of the argument there, that in the vegan movement, whilst there might be an awful lot of people who think the vegan society are are great or loads of people love joey carbstrong or earthling ed or melanie joy or whatever you absolutely can be 100 percent in still in that movement and say do you know what i think earthling ed is a pretentious dickhead and i cannot stand him you can't do that in the catholic church about the pope can you
00:23:26
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Like, it's it's it's great that we've got a movement where you can say, to be honest, I think that definition's a load of rubbish. Or this is how I do my activism. Or that person that everyone is always saying.
00:23:38
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Like, I'm not going to name names, but what a contributor to this podcast has jokingly on on an episode said, well, earthening aids God, how can you how can you say anything against him?
00:23:48
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They were saying it in jest. But, like, he' he's not because we can decry him or we can say... No, no, that's not what see as the you know model of veganism or the approach to take. I think that's a really healthy thing, especially if we're talking about social justice.
00:24:07
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Yeah, and and it's a good thing because, as we've been discussing, it's 2025. Let's let's say the UK has ah quite a lot of vegans comparatively in terms of percentual population. You said below 5%. It's definitely below 5%.
00:24:23
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ah Probably close to 3%, I would say. um and And the definitions we have now and the world we're working with now is not the one that will be in 20 years' time or 10 years' time or even closer. And the activism we're doing now, we might still be doing it in five years' time. It might be obsolete for the world we're living in.
00:24:45
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And we need we did these kind of external voices that can come in and say, no, that's rubbish. You're doing it all wrong. I'll give you an example from the SAAB world. SAABs, you know, what there's been SABing for what, like 60 years now in the UK.
00:25:00
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And the the first 40 years, it was there was no hunting act. So they were going out and, you know, actually trespassing because they were interfering with a legal activity, not an illegal activity.
00:25:12
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and And the tradition of not talking with the police and not cooperating with the police still extends to most SAAP groups, even though they have been on the right side of the law for 20 years.
00:25:23
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Like my subgroup broke with tradition by not wearing masks and cooperating with the police at all times, just calling the police when we see illegal like hunting happening and have evidence and not mining if the hunt calls the police. And that was breaking with the tradition.
00:25:40
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But if you have like a central authority that doesn't, that kind of squashes all other ah methodologies or kind of ways of doing, of promoting veganism, then, you know, you kind of,
00:25:52
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You'll lose this as well. Yeah. and and And being able to be responsive to the needs of the environment, the conditions that your movement is in is crucial, isn't it?
00:26:05
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I think too often we can look at ah movement and think, oh, it's it's like being in a car. We have to get to this point and we have to drive along this road and we know what the road is.
00:26:17
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We know you know where it's going to turn or whatever. We just have to follow that road as quickly as possible. But i I think viewing it as more of like an organic, I don't know, massive mycelium or moss or whatever, like the way that that grows, the movement of that is is responsive to the conditions that are around it. And actually it might be that there's a direction that's not good to go in that initially...
00:26:44
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we were going in and we circumnavigate it or other parts of it progress and and move forward that we we didn't think. And that's that's got to be the way forward, I would have thought.
00:26:55
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Humans have a multiplicity of opinions and and I genuinely believe most people are trying to do the right thing at all times. ah mark especially vegans. And as long as we keep kind of this North star of what our fundamental moral obligation is and the you know to act on ah the conviction that it's wrongful to exploit animals and so on and so forth, that's more important than kind of the strategic outcomes.
Adapting Activism: Cultural Contexts and Local Conditions
00:27:20
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Because if if we keep that the me we keep that in mind, the movement is always going to be genuine. And and you know the strategies can vary. and And obviously the strategy for somebody you know doing activism, I don't know, street outreach in London is not the same strategy for somebody doing street out outreach in Nebraska, as we talked in another episode recently.
00:27:44
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Yeah, so you know every place is different. Every place has as as its own culture. And and it's it's important that that we kind of allow these multiple voices and that we can just focus on what the end goal being for the animals and the rest kind of just falls from that absolutely absolutely right let's wrap things up let's try and each of us definitively respond to the question carlos is there such a thing as the vegan movement yes okay that's a definitive answer yes there's there's such a thing as a vegan movement it's very diverse diverse but
00:28:21
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i've I've seen lots of kind of cross-collaboration.
Cross-Collaboration: Activism Meets Science and Business
00:28:24
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And even, for example, people interested in things like alt-protein, you know, kind of the more science side of it and business side of it.
00:28:33
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I've seen them, for example, donate lots of ah money for activists, ah for example, or going to speak in animal rights conferences and vice versa. And kind of, you know, there's definitely a movement.
00:28:44
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It's not centralized and it's not, you know, maybe... too agile, too anarchic in a way. ah But I think it has the shape it should have given the size of it and given our limited influence in society as of now. Yeah, absolutely. i Yeah, I think my my answer would also be that it is a movement.
00:29:07
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I think in a sense, if you are to kind of describe the vegan movement as not actually being a movement, then probably you're misunderstanding what a social justice movement is or a kind of a true cultural movement because actually I don't have a huge historical knowledge or ah or anything like that, but I imagine all movements that are at all similar will actually also not be hierarchical. They'll not be centralised.
00:29:39
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And I think they're the kind of main objections to why you would say that there wasn't such a thing as a vegan movement. I think it's definitely anarchic. I think that's definitely a really good thing. I think organic is a ah word that's been coming into my mind during our discussion that I hadn't happened upon before. So I'm i'm grateful for that ah dropping in. But I think something that's all organic, that's non-hierarchical,
00:30:02
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that plays to its members' strength is a great thing. and I think that's what we have. like we're it's It's in the Petri dish of a very hierarchical dominant culture so and a capitalist one as well. So, of course, you know we are going to hear more about beyond meat in the vegan movement.
00:30:24
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than we are a grassroots activist who's in the Lebanon. we we're just We're just not going to hear as much about the latter. But I think there's enough noise in the movement that is saying actually both are valid and both are welcome.
00:30:41
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So I think that's a really good
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thing. and absolutely i oh i I would identify as being part of the vegan movement. And i'm i' it's a movement I'm proud to be part of. It doesn't mean it's perfect.
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But I, like you say, Carlos, I'm um proud of its goals and its intentions overall. ah that's a good thing, innit? That's a good thing. Right, we do hope that you have enjoyed our discussion.
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No, I'm very thankful to be invited on the podcast. And don't forget, we have our next episode, the falafel episode comes out on Monday.
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And as usual, that's the Vegan Week episode, which is our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news. Super duper. Right. That is enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you again, Carlos. Thank you, everyone, for listening, every single one of you.
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