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192-Podcast Review: The Beef & Dairy Network (2015-present)
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Perhaps an odd choice of podcast to review you may think...but give an episode a listen and you'll see why we love it!
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/beef-and-dairy-network/id1022024768
https://open.spotify.com/show/27I5KGO2kEmKJBBS812kcW
https://maximumfun.org/podcasts/beef-and-dairy-network/
Mark, Kate & Ant discuss the podcast: The concept, their favourite bits & to what extent they feel it has the potential to improve outcomes for animals.
We also briefly discuss the film Carnage, which is very hard to source nowadays, but here's a trailer from 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dXG0_yr7HE&t=27s
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Enough of the Falafel is a community of people who love keeping on top of the latest news in the world of veganism & animal rights. With the Vegan Talk podcast, we aim to develop listeners' (& our own) thoughts around key issues affecting veganism & the animal rights movement; giving our opinions, whilst staying balanced; remaining true to our vegan ethics, whilst constantly seeking to grow & develop.
Each week we home in on one topic in particular and pick it apart in more detail. If you have a suggestion for a future show, do get in touch via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com.
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Transcript
Introduction of the podcast hosts
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody. Well, as you know, we're not the only podcast in town and in this episode we're reviewing quite an unlikely show. I'm Anthony and for this episode I'm also joined by Mark and Kate.
Vegan issues and lab-grown meat discussion
00:00:13
Speaker
So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrrr! Take your lab grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry. they They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
00:00:33
Speaker
Hang on a minute. You always pick the...
00:00:41
Speaker
social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
Vegan Talk episode introduction
00:00:56
Speaker
I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. and Hi everyone, my name is Mark and welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk. Thank you for being here. Hi all you gorgeous listeners out there. It's Kate here. We are doing an episode of Vegan Talk, which is different to a weekly news episode. And there are loads of other Vegan Talk episodes in our back catalogue on the podcast feed on all kinds of interesting topics.
00:01:26
Speaker
Go and have a delve. Absolutely, check them out. And you might have heard us review some of our favorite podcasts in a previous one. I think we did one summer of 2004. We gave a little shout out to some of our favorite other podcasts.
Review of Beef and Dairy Network
00:01:42
Speaker
We've also had episodes where we've reviewed films and books and And in this episode, we are going to review just the one podcast for you, namely the Beef and Dairy Network podcast. You might be thinking, why on earth are they reviewing that?
00:01:58
Speaker
What is that going to be about? Now, we often say it is a good idea for you to read the book, watch the film or whatever before hearing our review about something.
00:02:09
Speaker
However, I would say more than anything else we've ever reviewed before, that is very much the case for this. We've put a link to several different episodes of the Beef and Dairy Network podcast that you can click on now.
00:02:22
Speaker
Some of them are only like 15 minutes long. You can listen to a bit and then hear me, Mark and Kate talk about it And we'd really recommend you do that. However, from now on, we're going to be giving away spoilers and things like that.
00:02:37
Speaker
So if you're listening from now on, we'll assume you've either listened to an episode or you don't care. um The podcast describes itself as the number one podcast for those involved or just interested in the production of beef animals and dairy herds And it consists of interviews, adverts, letters from listeners and documentary features.
00:03:02
Speaker
Okay, that's what it says on the face of it. That's what it says on the face of it. It's some it's hosted by Benjamin Partridge.
Realization of podcast as parody
00:03:09
Speaker
And if you are, I don't know, interested in UK comedy, you might have heard Benjamin Partridge before, which might give you a bit of a clue as to the the catch with this podcast.
00:03:20
Speaker
Mark, what's been your experience of listening to the Beef and Dairy Network podcast. had Had you listened to it before I said, oh we're going to review it on the show? I'd never heard of it. I assumed it was an industry podcast, that that it was genuine. But then the more I read about your your thing, that I sort of understood it to be parody or a piss take. As soon as i as I put it on, it was immediate to me that this is taking the piss in the same league as the day-to-day I'm giving ah away my age now, back in the 1990s and maybe a bit beyond, there was a comedy show called The Day-to-Day, which launched the career of Adam Partridge.
00:04:01
Speaker
I wonder if he's related, because it is a very similar sort of take on it, right? It's it's a very similar sort of parody.
Absurdities in animal agriculture
00:04:08
Speaker
But as soon as they started off with the jingle and the the advert for the the grass thing, and I mean, I um forget the terms they were using, but it it was apparent to me straight away that this is a monumental and brilliant piss take and it struck me that i mean it's been going since 2015 i'd never heard of it at all it's so it's been going for at least 10 years they have an annual live show somewhere in london every year of ah of this which i would love to go along to within a few minutes of listening to it it seems screamingly apparent to me that this field animal agriculture is ripe for parody i mean the the stuff that these people do to animals
00:04:51
Speaker
stuff that springs to mind a farmer shoving his hand inside a cow up to his armpit. That alone is worth an episode. You know, the this the stuff that they do, breeding turkeys so that turkeys can't breed themselves and they have to be masturbated ah in order to propagate. I mean, there is an endless stream of ridiculous, perverse...
00:05:14
Speaker
contradictory unnatural things that are done to animals on meat eaters and milk drinkers behalf that the idea of taking the piss out of it in a sort of a podcast it's it's it's it's so obvious for it to be done and i'm glad that someone's doing it we have facts coming out our eyes as to why people shouldn't eat animals and drink their bovine secretions we have and uh you know, mountains of facts and it's got very little cut
Effectiveness of humor in addressing animal issues
00:05:41
Speaker
through.
00:05:41
Speaker
Something like this taking the piss out of the culture of farming and the ideologies behind it, because it is an ideology, seems to be potentially very potent. Now, I'm not sure if Benjamin Partridge is a vegan. I don't think there there was There was one reference he here made in it in and and in a tweet he made on on X from a couple of years back saying that he had recently tried his first vegan Magnum ice cream bar and it tastes just the same as the meaty Magnum ice cream bars.
00:06:14
Speaker
and And I'm not sure if he was stating that he was vegan there or if he was just taking the piss out it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just the trouble, isn't it? You question everything then. You're just like, well, is is this a parody of the parody of the parody?
00:06:26
Speaker
Yeah. but Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah' sort of Into a meta parody sort of thing. But as I say, this, the abuse of animals is such a darkly humorous is the wrong word, but and ah comedy is a perfect vehicle vehicle for deflating the pomposity of farmers and their culture and I'm amazed it hasn't been taken up a bit more broadly and it is more popular than it is because it's hilarious yeah yeah now Kate Mark said it was immediately obvious to him that it was a parody but I've got reason to believe it might have taken you a bit longer to realize that I'd sent you a spoof spoof podcast
00:07:05
Speaker
Yeah, I guess because I'm quite ashamed really to admit that, I mean, you said, oh, we're going to be reviewing this thing.
00:07:15
Speaker
Oh, that'll be interesting alongside kind of genning up on what Farming UK have to say. know what? oh, yeah, it'd be oh I didn't realise I had this sort of industry podcast. That'll be fascinating.
00:07:28
Speaker
And so ah there's like about 123 episodes or something. And it used to be on Radio 4, apparently. and know Anyway, I was like trawling through the episodes thinking, oh, what shall I listen to first?
00:07:43
Speaker
And then I came across the buying a bull. I thought, oh, that'll be interesting. I thought... What can we learn about this? And honestly, don't know.
00:07:55
Speaker
It just, I think must have been about five minutes. When was, I was, it kind of dawned on me that was a complete spoof. I think there was a bit of me thinking,
00:08:06
Speaker
Wow, God, I knew farmers were a bit thick, but really? Were they talking about someone taking like a deer and putting a couple of tennis balls inside a sock, hanging between its legs and passing it off as a bull?
00:08:22
Speaker
Was that the point at which you really noticed? I think at that point, I thought, oh my God, they'll steep to any level to... so to pass it but I think yeah by the time it got to the deer bit I was like thinking yeah okay but um yeah it was I just found that very very funny and um you know but ah but it kind of got more and more kind of silly didn't it when you know it turns out that there actually there are actors who are wearing bull costumes and passing themselves off as bulls and and people are young farmers in particularly because they're inexperienced they're
00:09:09
Speaker
they're buying them and taking them home and then you know wondering why their cows are not being serviced or what have you and um yeah it was just and apparently the they they so they interview experts don't they and there there's a woman who's the expert and and they've done a study apparently and 70 percent of bulls at ah county fairs are sub-optimal and and how you test for actors it actually takes two actors in a to kind of live in a bull costume and sometimes they've been living in there for months apparently and they yeah like you said they they have to do various tests to to see um
Surreal nature of Beef and Dairy Network episodes
00:09:52
Speaker
you know
00:09:53
Speaker
just how um how how good a bull is and and they recommend doing the prick test and uh because if it's a couple of actors inside they'll sing and um they actually discovered john travolta in one of them with somebody else who i'd not heard of but you know it does get quite surrealistic at points doesn't it i mean depending on which episode you do you land upon first. um and And indeed, some of the episodes won't necessarily be focused on animal agriculture. that So there's a recurring character called Eli Roberts, who I think is supposed to be a Welsh farmer, and he's first featured in an episode where
00:10:36
Speaker
they're basically exposing how awful his slaughterhouse is and he's paying no heed to health and safety and things like that. But he then features in subsequent episodes and there's one where he abducts the interviewer and and they go in and he takes him into space in a rocket that he's made and and and and things like this. And so so it's it's not always focused on animal ag, but that's the kind of the root of all the things in there. I'm just wondering if anyone has any particular favorite moments that they've they've come across. Like you said, Kate, there's well over 100 episodes out there. I think one of one of my favorites is um an interview with someone, i think it's episode seven, someone who did adverts for a yogurt company.
00:11:20
Speaker
And um they're talking about how this dairy company was like wanted to keep them quite pasty and pale. And they had to you know dress up and and and do all these things to to advertise. um And then they they decided,
00:11:34
Speaker
I'm going to rebel against this now. Now I'm a fully grown woman and I'm going to not eat yogurt for a whole week. And there's this whole thing of like, oh my God, that sounds dangerous. A whole week without yogurt.
00:11:45
Speaker
I mean, you could, you could die. And what about your children? Are you imposing this on your children? And there's the, it's, I love it because it's, it's obviously surrealist and it's, it's satirical, but actually it's the same language and it's the same tone.
00:12:00
Speaker
of arguments that we hear like oh well you need to feed children milk you need to have ah red meat or protein and things like that um but I particularly enjoyed that Mark I wonder if you had a particular favourite moment or episode well I didn't I i um didn't listen to it to enough of them for a long enough and from the time that I got the link from you i was ah surreptitiously i was like i had one small earbud in one ear when I was going around i work in a warehouse now and I was i was i was caught out to snatching bits of episodes m ah as I was pretending to work in the warehouse.
00:12:37
Speaker
I can't recall anything that that i stood out except for the jingles at the very start. There's this woman, and I can't remember the dialogue or anything, but it it was just it was done extremely well. that did there is a of There is a concept called the a killing joke. i I don't know if you're familiar with The Killing Joke, kid it was a punk band and it's the name of the batman a series of books as well. but But The Killing Joke is this notion of satire and piss take being the ultimate killer of someone's ideology. If you can if you can take apart they're on ah at their ideology with a quick quip,
00:13:13
Speaker
that takes everything out, that that deflates everything. Like the Monty Python sort of approach, it can go farther than rational in intellectual debate does.
Concept of the 'Killing Joke' in satire
00:13:25
Speaker
and that And that's the concept of the killing joke, that it sort of kills the thing that you're trying to slay, but you do it with a joke rather than a sword. ya So I think killing joke applied to anama ah it's animal agriculture coming from from a vegan perspective is ah gap waiting to be filled in the comedy market. And i hope someone who's capable of doing it does it and and does it with more intent. Yeah, I think the the adverts you're referring to, they come at the start of every episode. It's it's straight in. and They don't actually have paid adverts yeah for their um And the company, the fictional company is called Mitchell's that does most of them. and Yeah, it's basically. Yeah, yeah.
00:14:11
Speaker
and and yeah And basically every single one will kind of, x it's a different advert each time, but each time they're exposing themselves as doing harm to their consumers.
00:14:22
Speaker
animals it's like under no circumstances consume this yourself it will cause you to die or or whatever but it's done in this really like upbeat smiley american voice that's saying everything's positive and great but a few people have accidentally been killed but you can still get 10 off and it's like that's that's monsanto isn't it that's that's all of these companies that are doing terrific things kate did you have a particular favorite episode or moment Yeah, so I don't know how many I've listened to, probably about, I don't know, maybe about 20 or something.
00:14:58
Speaker
Yeah, there's quite a few things. i really liked the listeners had written in about getting too attached to their animals. I thought that was...
00:15:10
Speaker
i was really That was really funny. and you know um ah Did you listen to that? I think that's episode one, isn't it? That features in episode one. Oh, is it?
00:15:21
Speaker
and and And there's someone who who is so is so distressed at the thought of selling or or killing their animals that they remove themselves to the Arctic Circle so that they can't cause any more harm. LAUGHTER because they see themselves as such a monster. ah Yeah, absolutely. And I think somebody else, they they kind of decided they weren't going to send all their cows to source, which actually has happened, hasn't it? and you know excellent and And then then they've their their whole business has collapsed. They've got no money. Their family's left them, et cetera, et cetera. And then they've killed all their animals in revenge or something. Yeah.
00:16:00
Speaker
So they've lost it. you know um i don't know thought i like the one that you you suggested boffo's cow circus i like that when i thought that was rich that was rich in all sorts of stuff and that's got quite a high profile comic on it that's got greg davis on it who's who's very well known here in uk yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't I don't even know. greg I'm so sorry. I don't know Greg Davis. I'm so ignorant on so many things.
00:16:27
Speaker
I know Josie Long. She used to TV loads and she's really, really good improvisation. wonder how strictly they stick to scripts or...
00:16:38
Speaker
and how much they improvise, actually. I mean, they must be incredibly skilled. If they're if they're improvising on the spot, it's incredible. And just in terms of being able to keep a straight face, I mean, ah we should say that it this won't be everyone's sense of humour.
00:16:54
Speaker
um And particularly, you know it feels like the three of us, as as well as what you're saying, Mark, in terms of it being a great way to destabilize and to poke the norms that the the show is questioning through satire. I think it's also light relief, isn't it? For for those of us who who know how absurd animal ag is and how carnism is, it's it's lovely to hear someone else poking at it in an amusing way,
00:17:23
Speaker
but I can imagine some vegans and and animal rights proponents, it being too much for them to kind of, you know, they might be so upset by things that they can't laugh at the idea of things because, you know, that that the subject material is is animals being exploited and killed and and and things like that.
00:17:41
Speaker
that That is ah regular topic of it. And for some people, it won't be their sense of humour. But for a lot of us, I think it it's It's good therapy, isn't it? think because wait i mean we're so used to listening, looking at the world through vegan eyes. and And sadly, we know too much about what actually goes on in animal agriculture.
00:18:07
Speaker
we can also kind of filter out the bits that are like based on actual truth. And I do wonder if perhaps people who are not so au fait with what actually goes on, you know, they they may not be able to distinguish things which are complete. not sure I couldn't distinguish, but things that are completely different things that are completely They might think that all the stuff being talked about, even the really horrendous things that actually do happen to animals, they might just think all that's made up as well. I don't ah don't know. What do you think?
00:18:44
Speaker
Well, it's is possible, isn't it? I think humour as a weapon to delegitimise and to denormalise a practice or a consensus is a very effective way of doing that and can reach people. it it People sort of go into something like this with with their defences down. they' are going into a debate.
00:19:04
Speaker
about animal rights therapy into a comedy show and naturally their defences aren't going to be as up So I think it's a very clever and underused technique to get to people that science hasn't reached yet.
Humor as a challenge to cultural norms
00:19:21
Speaker
Because animal abuse and exploitation is so dark and so hard to read about or to look at that a lot of people won't even go there in the first place. Humor can be a way of getting around that.
00:19:36
Speaker
and into their brain and getting them to laugh at themselves and at the absurdity of what they assume to be normal all the along. The normalization of abuse has probably done more to propagate abuse than anything else, whether it's child abuse, human abuse, or animal abuse.
00:19:56
Speaker
So denormalizing it, taking the piss out of it, showing off what it is, getting you to laugh at it and at yourself is potentially highly effective. I wonder how straightforward it would be to get folk to listen to this because I i think I don't see how this could do harm. I don't i don't I don't know whether this is what you were getting at, Kate, but I don't think you could share this with somebody who's already a khanist and it would make them more deeply entrenched. i think I think the worst that could happen is that they would be ambivalent towards it. I don't think it's going to make someone any more entrenched, but it's just, well, like...
00:20:37
Speaker
like um getting somebody to watch Dominion or Earthlings or whatever. it's It's kind of getting folk to that step. And i I wonder, you two would have said no if I'd have said, oh, I want you to do X, Y, Z. But generally, we kind of have an agreement that, wow well, you know we'll look at certain content or whatever to discuss it on the podcast.
00:21:02
Speaker
But if I'd have just, incidentally, if we'd been friends and I just said, oh, you should check this out, Would you have prioritised it? What about someone who's just a Facebook friend?
00:21:13
Speaker
Are they going to check it out? So I, i but because the subject matter sounds really dry, like you say, Mark, the assumption initially, unless you're told this is satire, this is comedy, you should listen to it. It's really bloody funny.
00:21:27
Speaker
it's It's produced in the form of an industry podcast. You know, are you going to listen to the podcast of Double Glazing Weekly? Well,
00:21:38
Speaker
No, unless I'm in the trade and really interested, you've got to kind of give me another hook in. um But then do you spoil it by saying, listen to this, because it's absolutely hilarious. It's spoof, it's comedy. But then you're kind of, I think what you're, what I've taken from what you've said, Mark, is they're kind of catching people off guard is is kind of the most effective part of it.
00:21:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it and ah and it can be introduced as a comedy vehicle, but, you know, in in the same sort of league as Spilling Image, Again, I'm showing my age, don't think Spitting Image has been shown around for for like a while. But do you remember the air puppets, they used have puppets, the Spitting Image puppets. and they It was very, very political and it was always taking the piss.
00:22:19
Speaker
And there they had weaponized comedy in order to and ah caricature in order to caricature the sort of the the powers that be and on.
00:22:32
Speaker
And it was highly effective. I'm not sure if it was playing to a and an already convinced audience, but As I was saying earlier, weve we have all the science and data behind us and it still doesn't seem to be cutting through people because and of their cultural immersion and being brought up in a species of society.
00:22:53
Speaker
It makes it hard for them to ah to hear challenges to that. But humour can be and often the only way of getting past those natural egotistical defences.
00:23:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I really agree with you. And and what's good is with with what they do is they kind of, you know, they'll be talking about or they'll be talking about something and then ah you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all of a sudden they'll also put in something where you think, oh my God, that area that it really is disgusting as well. And it really hits you, ah catches you pushes you off guard.
00:23:27
Speaker
And I just think, just kind of getting people to even just think about the animals, you know, which most people don't, they don't consider them at all, you know, um i just, I think that's a massive win as well.
00:23:46
Speaker
And actually, i mean, the industry, it just, it's They already like bend logic and ethics and everything to to make it all seem fine. So actually it's, you know, and and all their greenwashing, you know, their sort of emotional marketing about happy cows and all that kind of stuff.
00:24:09
Speaker
It's quite, it's a rich vein to tap into, I think. So i wonder how long this podcast will be running for. when the you know You touched upon something there, Kate, that the the fact that the actual beef and dairy industry is so euphemistic and they will greenwash and they will cover things up or they will they will put a spin on
Transparency versus deception in industry PR
00:24:35
Speaker
more or less anything. You know, that the podcast that we're reviewing...
00:24:39
Speaker
There's a lot of interviews with people within the industry. And one thing that the fictional people do not do is they don't cover things up. they don't Or if they do, it's so transparent.
00:24:52
Speaker
So they they make it like a ah joke, the fact that but clearly they're covering something up. It's is's really drawn attention to. But they either do that, so it's really obvious that they're covering something up, or they just tell it straight. And like I say, this slaughterhouse owner, Eli Roberts, he's just like, oh, health and safety, you don't need to worry about that. like they they are they They're just machines. they don't you know you you know they the These animals, they they don't care, they don't feel pain and and and things like that.
00:25:19
Speaker
And I think that's really effective because if this was actually an industry podcast, it would be full of the PR language and tone and everything. that is maddening and that people who want to continue to normalize things and that want to not have their beliefs challenged, they'll just buy into that, the consumers, because they'll be like, oh yeah, listen to what the nice farmer said.
00:25:43
Speaker
He said that they look after their animals, so it's fine. But you don't get that in this podcast. You either have them flat out saying, no, I don't give a shit. Or you have them really obviously lying. And I think that's really clever and that's really good.
00:25:56
Speaker
But we we should stress, I mean, it's interesting, Mark, there the research you've done on on Benjamin Partridge. I don't think you could call this a a vegan production.
00:26:07
Speaker
like It's not because there there is there is, in a sense, normalisation of animal ag in there. Yes, it's it's it's deconstructing it in that satire. i don't I don't know. yeah you You definitely couldn't call it ah a vegan thing or and an animal rights thing.
00:26:24
Speaker
But in my opinion, there's a ah net gain there. for animals and and for the concept of animal rights. don't know if you two would share that thought that though it's not black and white, it's still net positive for animals. yep Yeah, for sure. I think the ah very fact that that that it's there and it's available to listen to and it's not being done by someone with the pro-animal agenda, yet it's still really funny.
00:26:50
Speaker
Imagine if you were coming at this with a pro-animal agenda and you're still being s subtle, but you're trying to get a you're you're trying to get a bit more of a laser-lag point across each time.
00:27:01
Speaker
Imagine if you had a vegan Alan Partridge sort of taking this on with his sort of calibre, but with that angle. you know, and so so so even even approaching this this topic from a neutral angle produces laughs.
00:27:15
Speaker
If you were to come out from a more caustic, a bit more angular angle, I think you can get even even there more laughs. So the program that i was referring to the ah day-to-day was, was the the clear intention was to deconstruct and to de-pompasify the news.
00:27:33
Speaker
and And they had an agenda and they did it really well. it wasn't overblown. it wasn't too much down your throat. but it was certainly there. So if you had a bit more of a vegan agenda attached to something like this sort of comedy vehicle, I think, the as I say, the the comedy market is, there was a gap there to be filled.
00:27:54
Speaker
because there was a growing awareness and increased concern about animal welfare and animal rights. There was a growing animal rights movement. So therefore, there there should be a comedy vehicle in there that pushes our point across, but with laughs rather than with anger or despair or darkness, you know.
00:28:11
Speaker
I'm wondering, um i don't know if you all have got it, Mark, because um of being in in New Zealand, but Kate, did you watch the um short film Carnage that came out
Discussion of Simon Amstel's film 'Carnage'
00:28:20
Speaker
about the 70s? I've seen Carnage, yeah.
00:28:22
Speaker
You have seen it, Mark? Yeah. Because that's yeah Simon Amstel is vegan, and and and like that that's what made me think of when you were saying, imagine if a vegan did satire like this. And for me, that's the that's the best vegan animal rights thing.
00:28:38
Speaker
production out there because it it's it's almost intouchable because it's satirical. So anything that's going too far, you can just say, well, it's just a joke. But actually it it cuts through and destabilizes.
00:28:51
Speaker
Yes. Yes. And it's it's ah really hard to find that now. The BBC commissioned it, but it seemed to have dropped its availability completely. It was shown once, I think, and it's not available on any other format now.
00:29:07
Speaker
and I saw it. How did I see it? I saw all of it. It must have been on new on YouTube before it was taken down, I'm assuming. But I don't think it's available there anymore. I don't know why.
00:29:18
Speaker
But yeah, and so Simon Amstel or someone like him to do something like that in a series, it's It's comedy gold. I mean, that there is a rich mine of humor to be to to be to to be used there. I'm sort surprised it hasn't been done, presumably because most comedians, like most people, aren't vegans.
00:29:38
Speaker
But there will come along comedian who was good enough and popular enough and vegan enough to sort of do this, I think. And I'm really looking forward to it because because I really do like a good comedy.
00:29:51
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It's a very hard thing to do to make people laugh. I saw the film as well um and really just so enjoyed it. It's just like, yay, someone's made a ah ah really funny film about how we all used to eat meat once upon a time and the shame of it all now. And, you know, people sitting in there having, you know, in their like group therapy sessions kind of weeping about how they used to consume animal products wasn't there one bit where they were just saying the names of cheeses in in some sort of like in like a group therapy circle yeah yeah just saying gorgonzola and then yeah yeah yeah let it go let it go
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Oh, yeah. No, no it was it was really great. And I have wondered where it's gone, too you know. So, yeah, it would be great if it was back on telly because there's a whole new set of people, new set of vegans or pregans even who would probably, who haven't watched it maybe, who would probably really
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enjoy Yeah.
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