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Heard of Mr Charlie's? If not, it's time to get clued up; they're playing McDonalds at their own game...and have just secured a big ol' win in the shape of eighteen brand new stores in Arizona. High fives all around! As well as this story, Carlos & Ant sit down to report on, comment on & dissect eight other stories from the last week or so- all of which have a vegan or animal rights slant.
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Enough of the Falafel is a community of people who love keeping on top of the latest news in the world of veganism & animal rights. With the Vegan Week podcast, we aim to keep listeners (& ourselves) informed & up-to-date with the latest developments that affect vegans & non-human animals; giving insight, whilst staying balanced; remaining true to our vegan ethics, whilst constantly seeking to grow & develop.
Each week we look through news stories from the past 7 days in the world of veganism & animal rights.
If you spot any news stories that might catch our fancy, or have an idea for a discussion topic, get in touch via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com.
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This week's stories:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2d555l66ndo
https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/whats-on/things-to-do/todmorden-country-fair-popular-calderdale-family-event-cancelled-after-animal-rights-concerns-5140853
https://www.caff.org.uk/stop-the-bill?fbclid=IwY2xjawKcWUNleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETF6VzU0UmdxMUpVUEFyb2FYAR6X_XLKCNUC2OoHE4AJHn-utnB_VGZUdn-kyIPV_CZC7dPZW2bTiG8R9MhXCg_aem_A6ehXyZM_QkahiGkwqLqZQ
https://www.theanimalreader.com/2025/05/13/three-men-arrested-for-smuggling-thousands-of-hermit-crabs/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62ngkm4dx4o#:~:text=An%20animal%20experience%20at%20a,be%20held%20on%2029%20May.
https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/plant-based-meat-ultra-processed-food-upf-health-vegan/
https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/social-media-health-misinformation-meat-carnivore-diet/
https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/nebraska-lab-grown-cultivated-meat-ban-jim-pillen/
https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/food/vegan-mcdonalds-mr-charlies-expansion/
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Carlos & Ant
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Introduction to Vegan Week
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Hello everyone, welcome to your one-stop shop for vegan and animal rights news from the last seven days. i am Anthony, joining me for this episode is Carlos, but that is enough of the falafel, it is time for Vegan Week.
Perceptions of Vegan Activists
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So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrrr! Take your lab grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry. They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
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Hang on a minute. You always pick the fire.
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of social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns, you'll be all right. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:00:56
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No, I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. and Hey, hello everyone and welcome to Vegan Week. This is Carlos. Thank you so much for being here. Hey everyone. So this is our news show. If this is the first time you've been with us, you might not know the Dickens is going on.
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Me and Carlos are going to look at eight or nine stories from the week's news and dissect them. But that's enough of the falafel. Let's get on with it and hear what has been going on in the news this week.
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For more details on the upcoming news stories, including links to our original source material, check out our show notes for this episode, available on your podcast player.
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Each week on Vegan Week, when we're looking at the news, we sometimes incidentally come across a theme in the news. It might be there's a particular week where there seem to be lots of negative stories going on with regards to outcomes for animals. There might be a week where everything's going our way accidentally. This week is definitely vegans spoiling the fun sort
Animal Cruelty in Scotland's Salmon Farming
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of a week. And we'll get the boy ball rolling with this one coming to us from the BBC podcast.
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which is telling us that a Sky salmon farm, that is Sky as in Scotland, not one up in the air, a salmon farm in Sky has been suspended over alleged abuse videos. This is a fish farm.
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Campaigners from the Green Britain Foundation have been filming secretly, and ah apparently these videos allegedly show systemic cruelty to salmon. And if you do watch this,
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these videos, you'll see that there's nothing allegedly about it. They very definitely are. So again, the name of the organisation is the Green Britain Foundation. They're the campaigning group. It's a Maui farm. I don't know if I'm saying that right. It's M-O-W-I.
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i at Loch Harport. The videos show the fish being beaten and suffocated to death and the RSPCA is now investigating the fish farm which nuanced listeners might think that's a bit strange. Why isn't the SSPCA looking into that if it's based in Scotland? Well the reason for that is that this salmon is sold under the RSPCA's one of their schemes for that's supposed to give assurances that this sort of thing doesn't happen. But surprise, surprise, Carlos, an undercover investigation finds out something horrible is happening in animal agriculture.
00:03:22
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Who ever heard of such a thing? ah Yeah, there's another blow to the RSPCA's assured labelling scheme. and Now these items have been removed from the shelves, at least, even though that doesn't help the salmon in any way.
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And so there's been over 18 incidents of cruelty recorded by the Green Britain Foundation. These were all in March 2025, but, you know, who knows how many more there have been that were not captured by cameras.
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Maui says that the footage was misconstrued, that they were removing, like, sick fish from a pen of 40,000 healthy salmon. And, you know, they were just trying to ensure a quick, humane death for the sick fish, which just seems...
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Very hard to argue when yeah when once you've seen the footage. Yeah, so there are 54 farms of these ah Maui, from this company, MLWI Farms, in the country. And the Green Britain Foundation wants all of them suspended, not just this one.
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And it just goes to show kind of how these humane certifications actually work in practice. this. I thought one good thing about this article, obviously the vast majority of people are just going to see the headline here.
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But for the small percentage of people who do read down, it does actually cover many aspects of this particular type of animal agriculture, giving details about it.
Hermit Crab Smuggling in Japan
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I reckon a lot of people wouldn't know. So it it talks about the current animal welfare standards requiring that the time a fish spends out of water should never exceed 15 seconds for a live fish.
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It also mentions that what you did, Carlos, a bit about a large pen holding more than 40,000 healthy salmon. These are not things that are put in the ads. These are not things that is generally brought to consumers' attention.
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And I know the vast majority of people aren't actually going read this article they'll just see the headline but for those that do it's just giving those bits of education because i think the more people find out about standard practice in these industries the more they'll be put off won't they Yeah, and often you know fish are left out of consideration for when people take, non-vegans get concerned about animal factory farming and the like, and they never kind of consider fish to be also factory farmed, but they are. In fact, there's more fish consumed these days in the UK and in the world that's from factory farming rather than being fished from the sea or from rivers. So
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Factory farming is very much a reality for fish as well. And they're treated just as poorly as you know pa mammals are. Yeah, absolutely. i would um I've never really spoken to a pescatarian about what you know why do you eat fish?
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you know You've excluded all the other meats, but not fish. I wonder whether there is a misconception that, oh, they're just free range. They live their life in the sea and then some of them get eaten and it's luck of the draw.
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Well, as you say, more than 50% now are actually just being farmed. So it's you know it's just as bad, even if that is your slightly odd arbitrary criteria. It's wrong. Well, i've I've never met a pescatarian who had any concerns about animal welfare.
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Or, i mean I mean, all the ones I've met have concerns about animal welfare in the same way that anybody who eats meat of all sorts will have. you know Not necessarily cruel, but it never stopped them, let's say.
Animal Rights Concerns Cancel UK Events
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right, on to our next story. japanese Japanese police have arrested three Chinese nationals for attempting to smuggle thousands of protected hermit crabs from the Amami Islands.
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ah Hotel staff became suspicious of unusual w rustling sounds coming from their luggage. ah Hermit crabs on the Amami Islands are considered national natural monuments in Japan.
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This means they're protected to deter due to their environmental and cultural importance. Possessing or transporting these hermit crabs without special permission is illegal.
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Yeah, it's a really interesting one, this. oh Obviously, like the the main headline is the fact that this horrific thing is actually going on and people are trying to smuggle these animals, which I think would be news to a lot of people, certainly people outside of of Japan.
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i would have thought great that these guys have been caught and yeah, like that, I mean... and it It is slightly farcical that the idea of crabs being and in a suitcase and and rustling sounds giving them away, but it's um obviously a tragic, horrific experience for those animals.
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When you read into the article, it's 160 kilograms of live hermit crabs packed into six suitcases. I mean, what what on earth? You know, how can you look at yourself in the mirror if if if you're the person that is doing something like that. But as you said, on these Amami Islands, which are just on the south of Japan, so you've got the kind of main main body that is Japan, and then these islands are just south, just under 300 square miles.
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And they, you know, like any country in the world, Japan has lots of ah morally dubious standards with regards to animal rights. We're certainly not immune from that in the UK either, but they have got these particular animals considered to be national natural monuments, which in in their cases has kind of saved them, I suppose. that You know, it it means that people are more likely to, authorities are more likely to clamp down on these things.
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And what surprised me as well was the prize really for for smuggling these is not that great. Each crab can apparently be sold for as much as 137 US dollars. that's That's the equivalent of 20,000 yen, which, yeah, it's you know it's it's better than nothing. But I don't know. sure Surely it's not worth it. Surely that there's better black market ways of making money than shoving crabs in a suitcase.
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Yeah, and also live live animals too. So I expect them to be, that they were being sold for pets, I would say. As exotic pets rather than a meat because they're very tiny and they're not generally, mean, people do eat them like in the the same way that humans will eat anything, any animal whatsoever. But yeah, it just seems a very risky business, especially you know with live crustaceans.
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Yeah. Well, part of the investigation, according to the article, is to ascertain why exactly this smuggling has been done. Because as you say, pets is one option, obviously consuming them or selling them onto somewhere else is is another possibility. So the investigation is is looking into that.
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But yeah, we we often say on the show, you know, animal protection laws are not enforced in the way that we would like to see them done. But if the law does protect animals,
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Occasionally, it will be enforced properly and and thankfully for these these crabs and perhaps even more importantly for future crabs, um this has been enforced and hopefully that will be a deterrent to other wildlife smugglers.
UK Factory Farm Legislation Debate
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in the area let's move on to a story closer to where we're recording from in the uk and a town up north in england called todmorden it's a particularly interesting place if you've ever been there it's quite quirky i think it's in lancashire but there's a chance i've got that wrong and then people will be cross with me so do email in i've got that wrong it's in west yorkshire but west yorkshire there we are I can't see anything wrong with confusing Lancashire and Yorkshire. What could possibly go wrong?
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Anyway. historically Historically, they're very tied. and Yeah, yeah, I know. I know, right? Goodness, vegans are already in trouble and I'm making it worse. Why vegans in trouble? Well, the popular Calderdale family event, the Todmorden Country Fair,
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has been cancelled after animal rights concerns. So they announced that this year's event will not be taking place. According to the team in charge, they've received more than 780 emails from people raising worries about some of the planned exhibits at this year's event, including camels, falconry and horse displays, and an animal experience.
00:11:37
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A an ambiguous animal experience. Nobody's decided what it is. It could be anything, couldn't it? Yeah, I'm not sure what that is either. Yeah, yeah. But and I mean, it's great news, isn't it, Carlos?
00:11:48
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The fact that like these emails, I think sometimes you kind of think, oh, if I send an email, it's not going to do anything. or people are going to dig their heels in. But I mean, they've cancelled the whole thing. I mean, I wondered, like, surely they don't have to cancel the whole thing. Is is everything predicated on on animal exploitation at this fair? And are there not just some rides or people turning up in their classic cars? Or you know mean? Like, canceling the whole thing seems a bit much. Yeah, this ah seems a bit of an over overreaction. But first, I want to just mention something you talked about. You know, this was just 780 protest emails.
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Is that it? Is that all you need to do? It just seems very, no organized protest to be there on the day or any direct action. It's just a lot of whinging gets things done.
00:12:38
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And they weren't even new exhibitors either. like that it It says that the same exhibitors had been at the event twice previously. So it's it's not like, oh, we've brought this new thing in and oh my God, loads of people are emailing.
00:12:51
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it's It's literally everything was the same. Then they received loads of complaint emails and and now they're not doing the whole thing. Well, I think the the the good bit is that I want to imagine that not all of these 780 people were hardcore animal rights activists.
00:13:07
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So maybe there's some shift in public perception towards animal exploitation. Absolutely. do Do you have a concern that they've cancelled the whole thing? Because ah in a sense, like I joked at the top of the show about, you know, vegan spoiling the fun, but in a sense, like surely they they could still have an enjoyment aspect of of an event. I think I'm probably picking nits here, but we kind of don't want there to be a perception that animal rights or veganism means that people can't enjoy themselves.
00:13:40
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It just means enjoy yourselves in a way that's not exploiting animals. Yeah, but I'm not sure how tight this is to vegans or not. I mean, the Freedom for Animals did lead a campaign and they're kind of assumedly an animal rights organisation.
00:13:55
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There's always going to be stuff we don't know about. And, you know, it might just be that this This thing was kind of struggling to stay afloat anyway. And this was just sort of the nail in the coffin for it.
00:14:07
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Although, the you know, just reading up on it, there were some definitely dodgy animal events going on, like camel racing, a mobile zoo with wild animals, ah with public, you know, with the public handing those wild animals.
00:14:21
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and And there was like a a combined equestrian and falconry show, you know, where birds of prey would kind of fly between and under moving horses. So it was kind of not not just a pony ride. You know what I mean?
00:14:33
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Sure. Sure. Yeah. These these stories, we we never get the full picture, isn't it? So it might have been a combination of things. Maybe, you know, maybe this was just kind of the nail in the coffin of a struggling country country fair.
00:14:46
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Anyway, they said they're going to be back next year after consulting animal welfare experts. So we'll see. Maybe free-lips animals will have to get busy again.
Health Impacts of Processed and Plant-Based Foods
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Yeah, we'll certainly take it as a victory for now, I think.
00:14:58
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On to the next story. Once again, vegans spoiling the fun. At this time in Darlington, in the northeast of England, where an animal experience at a market has been cancelled over a lack of interest and concerns from a vegan group. So this was the Darlington market market in the northeast.
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The organisers had arranged for an interactive event called the Wild Science Animal Experience. to be held on the 29th of May. And a group called the Darlington Vegans, which is extremely descriptive title, wrote to market manager Michael Harvey to try to get them to reconsider holding the event.
00:15:35
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Mr. Harvey confirmed that he canceled the event due to low interest and not being, quote, well read up on the issue of wild animal experiences, which Wild Science said were, again, quoting, gentle and guided.
00:15:50
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What do make of this? It's a slightly confusing one, this one. i don't want to criticise Tom Burgess, who is the journalist who's written the article too much, but they they're they're kind of combining both sides of the story in a way that can sometimes make it confusing as to who's saying what.
00:16:08
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So my understanding is that the market organiser has said, well, not enough people are booking this, and actually... The vegan group has got in touch with me, made me realise that actually I'm not actually that well gemmed up. I don't really know that much about these things.
00:16:27
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So those things combined i mean that we're going to drop this. um the The wild science folk have kind of rebuffed it and said, well, actually, no, they're gentle. They're guided. they They go on further down in the article saying, well, actually, we know these animals really well.
00:16:43
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um So we know if they're having a good time or not. We know that they're only doing things that they will enjoy, which is an absolute nonsense. You think, well oh, what? they they just They just got into the crate this morning, did they? They were like, tell you what, should we go out? Should we go to a market?
00:16:59
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And I've loads of people pick me up. Yeah, yeah, i'm I'm well up for that. Like, of course, it's exploitative. Especially wild animals. They love animals. being handled by humans.
00:17:11
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It's just in their heart coded into their DNA to have a giant pick them up and touch them. I wonder if this is the same mobile zoo experience that we were talking just now.
00:17:23
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about the Todd Morgan Country Fair. it does Yeah, maybe. I don't want to say it's the same sort of part of the country because I've already confused Yorkshire with Yorkshire, but it's, ah to me, everything north of Sheffield is the same place.
00:17:36
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but Yeah, it's a mobile zoo. It's in the name. It goes around. Yeah. yeah so so So, yeah, so basically those this was just kind of going around and just kind of, you know, hey, kids, here's a snake you can handle, that sort of thing, that kind of event, and then they they talk about the animals and you know, explain. So like ah that sort of event, but I guess people are just not into it either.
00:17:59
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i think there's definitely a change of public perception on these type of events. Well, hopefully. And I think it's one of those things that actually when they're commonplace, people aren't going to question them as much because you just go, well, that's just a thing that always happens. Oh, there's always the falconry bloke at the market when I walk past. But the rarer they become,
00:18:20
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For whatever reason, I mean, it could just be economic reasons, couldn't it? It could be that there was something on in in the town that day, why why no one's signing up for it. But the rarer they become, I think the more questioning folk will be.
00:18:34
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And again, it's a great example that, I mean, I'm going to make a guess. I will admit to not doing my research on Darlington Vegans. I'm going to guess they're not an organisation with a huge budget, with millions of members.
00:18:47
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Like, this is grassroots activism, and it's making a difference. um It's making a difference in what general members of the public see when they go to a show or they walk through a market or whatever.
00:18:59
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But also it's making a difference for those animals and subsequent animals who could be bred into that industry. You know, if if um wild science becomes a failed business with the greatest of respect, let's hope it does become one.
00:19:13
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They're not going to keep breeding animals or buying animals to continue this trade and this exploitation. So, yeah. yeah Good news. Long may continue. Buying hermit crabs from Japan. Yeah, yeah, exactly. all that All interlinked, isn't it?
00:19:29
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All interlinked. I'm not accusing, by the way, for legal purposes, wild science of buying hermit crabs illegally obtained in ah in Japan. But, ah you know, all wild animals come from somewhere.
00:19:42
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's valid to raise it just to discourage them because after this Darlington market setback, they might be thinking, we need to sex this up a bit. People aren't interested in frogs and rabbits. What can we do? I heard there's some hermit crabs for sale in Japan.
00:19:57
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So, you know, we've got to we've got to ward these things off. Hooray for grassroots activism and for people taking action and stopping bad things happening. That leads us to our next story, which comes to us from the Coalition Against Factory Farming. They are pushing forward a big campaign at the moment.
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ah We've put a link in the show notes. This is one for you to get involved with if you like a quick bit of action making a difference. um They say they want to stop the planning bill. What is this planning bill? Well, in their words, they say the planning and infrastructure bill is a law that would make it easier for giant factory farms like Cranswick, we mentioned them in last week's show, um to expand.
00:20:39
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How would it make these things easier for them to expand? Well, they say it weakens key environmental protections and It lets developers pay cash to trash habitats, as one MP puts it.
00:20:52
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um And it undermines the very laws that help block Cranswick's Megafarm in Methworld in the first place. They also accuse the government playing dirty, skipping formal consultation.
00:21:07
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um The good news is you can very easily click and find your MP, send them an email to say that you do not approve of this. And Carlos, it's it really important that this sort of stuff does get blocked because all or the campaigning against organisations like the factory farms at Cranswick, that That's a lot of hard work and to have it undermined and completely undone would be devastating, wouldn't it? Yeah, it's a it's it's a real shame if this goes ahead.
00:21:36
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Nature protection laws are there for a reason and the we all know that the the environmental impact that factory farming does, let alone, of course, the impact to the animals being factory farmed and it's um the bill would certainly weaken key environmental protections and it would allow players to just to kind of run roughshod over ah natural habitats.
00:22:02
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And of course, quick, you know, in their proposed mega farms are just kind of the tip of of the iceberg on this, because if they allow to do what they want, then there'll be more to follow for sure.
00:22:14
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And it's not just environmental groups and ecologists, you know, economist economists themselves are saying it's a bad idea ah to allow this as well. And it will cause it to make harm. A lot of it is happening behind closed doors, which is why this campaign is happening. So it's kind of brought but run out into the open so people understand what's happening.
00:22:36
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It's shady business. It's shady business. And goodness, we've got to hope that it it stops. And like we say, very easy click and send. Of course, you can personalize things if you want to and and go over and above.
00:22:51
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But you follow the link in the show notes. You can send a very quick and easy email to your UK MP. I don't know whether we've we've discussed direct actions you can take before in other countries sometimes where there's consultations and things and you don't actually have to live in the country to do it. So I'd encourage our international listeners to work give it a go anyway. yeah you know Do you need to prove where you live? Maybe not.
00:23:16
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Let's find out. And as we all know, the emails
Misinformation in Diets and Influencers
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work. That's what we've learned today. Yeah. All right. Okay. On to our last story for this part of the show. That's a new report by the Physicians Association for Nutrition, PAN for short, and the Good Food Institute, GFI.
00:23:33
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Europe says that research around ultra-processed foods often overlooks important nuances when it comes to plant-based meat, which can potentially mislead consumers on the health impacts.
00:23:44
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They say that, quoting, trials have identified several key features of UPFs, which are ultra-processed foods, as a whole that are likely to play a large role in the negative outcomes observed.
00:23:57
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So high calorie density, low fiber, hyper-palatability. However, plant-based meat has a very different nutritional profile from most UPFs, and these metrics generally do not apply.
00:24:12
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One major finding of the research highlights the need for nuance between processing that diminishes nutritional quality, so the processing of ultra-processed foods, and techniques that enhance it.
00:24:23
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So some studies suggest that certain processing methods can improve protein quality quality and bioavailability and enable beneficial fortification. So there's been a lot of backlash against processed meats, ah labeling them as ultra-processed foods, and they certainly are very processed.
00:24:42
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But this argument against ultra-processed foods is is is a sort of a blanket argument that kind of excludes things which aren't actually bad just because they're ultra-processed. And I think, like, I want to get onto the the animal rights side of this quite quickly because that that should always be our focus. But just to focus on the on the health side of things, because that is how this this story is is being pitched.
00:25:08
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Process doesn't always mean bad. If you think of something like, um I mean, the best example that ah Dr. Michael Greger points out is if if you take cocoa powder, For example, if you think of how that originates, that's in a cocoa bean.
00:25:23
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And actually, when you when you're getting it to a cocoa powder state, you're actually getting like the maximum nutrition per gram compared to if you were you know if you just ate a whole cocoa bean pod, you'd be getting loads of stuff that's that's not particularly useful. If you think of other examples like peanut butter, like peanuts, I'm assuming 100% peanut-based peanut butter rather than one that's had sunflower oil.
00:25:48
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added to it. If you think of what a peanut looks like and what peanut butter looks like, they're very, very different. But actually the processing there is just blending it. So you're not necessarily losing anything, though you could be giving yourself a bit more of a sugar spike. But anyway, we're getting a bit, a bit too kind of nutrition focused there for, for my liking.
00:26:08
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My focus on responding to this is the fact that I see this UPF, this ultra processed food comeback of a lot of carnists, as simply an excuse.
00:26:20
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It's simply an excuse. And my opinion would be that it is a response to them seeing lots of new plant-based, innovative foods that are seeking to replicate animal-based foods, you know, vegan bacon, vegan burgers, vegan cheese.
00:26:37
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And the first response, because of course that's being done to to level the playing field, to say, no, you don't have to abuse animals to have Cathedral City. You don't have to abuse animals to have bacon.
00:26:50
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Look, we've made plant-based versions. And so they need to come up with a new excuse. And that new excuse is, well, it's ultra processed. That's not good for me. Like everything else in their diet is not ultra processed.
00:27:03
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Of course there will be. It's very, very rare, I think, that that someone who eats animal products will have no processed food in their diet at all. So this is just an excuse.
00:27:14
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And I mean, as this study points out, if you are to compare them like for like, I think that there was one bit where it said that they put together eight different ways of defining or eight different markers of an ultra processed food.
00:27:29
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And typically animal based processed foods hit seven of those eight markers, whereas the plant based ones only hit three. Personally, that's not the argument to make.
00:27:39
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From my point of view, the the argument to make is an animal rights one, and is to say, do you read are you really worried about that? Are you really worried about the fact that it's ultra processed? Because if you are, just do what most vegans do and eat whole foods.
00:27:54
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It's fine. You don't have to eat vivera steak or juicy marbles or or whatever, you know? But i think it's I think it's an excuse. And I think in the gentlest, kindest, human-centric way we can, when we're doing our advocacy, we probably need to call it out.
00:28:11
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rather than but but focus on the science too much? Because I think it's disingenuous when people are saying this. Yeah, the carnists will eat a frozen pizza and and then then and then we'll worry about and will worry about you know if they will worry about a burger, they're not even have a vegan burger, they're not even eating themselves.
00:28:33
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it's being built through the process This argument has as has been used kind of in ah in a way in which it was the research was not meant to be used in that way. The research on auto-processed food was not meant to be an attack on ah plant-based meats.
00:28:48
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and And then it turned out to be because it was kind convenient scapegoat, I guess. Absolutely. Well, that is the end of our first six stories for the show. After this very short break, Carlos and I are going to present our picks for the week. And interestingly, like this last story that we just focused on, on ultra-processed food, they also come from the excellent website greenqueen.com. And if you sometimes like to read your vegan news,
00:29:15
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instead of or as well as listening to it in podcast form then we definitely give them a shout but let's hear what our picks for the week are in just a moment
00:29:29
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okay carlos why don't you kick us off we've got more stories of health misinformation you want to tell us some more There seems to be a lot of that about not just health, but that's what we're focusing on.
00:29:42
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A new report reveals that 53 social media super spreaders, so that's people who have tens of millions of followers, are making huge profits by pushing dangerous nutrition misinformation to those tens of millions of followers, promoting everything from carnivore diets to raw milk, while having little to no medical qualifications.
00:30:03
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So out of these 53, 87% aren't medical doctors. aren't medical doctors 59% have no health qualifications at all, yet one in five present themselves as credentialed experts.
00:30:14
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And they're reaching audiences where 57% of millennials and Gen Z, Gen Z, I should say, get nutrition advice from TikTok, but only 2% of TikTok nutrition content follows actual health guidelines.
00:30:30
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And, um you know, 96% of these have clear financial in incentivess incentives. So out of the 53, they're earning over $100,000 a month through supplement sales, ah coaching, you know, charging people $100 to $250 an hour, despite having no qualifications to do any kind of health coaching, affiliate links, sponsored content.
00:30:51
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Some offer biohacking programs, again, with no studies done on the benefits of their biohacking program, whatever that means, for tens of thousands of dollars. In terms of content, ah carnivore diets are the biggest team, which is like almost a third.
00:31:07
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And then just kind of ah quite a quarter health misinformation and then another quarter keto content and raw milk, which is mind boggling how this is happening in 2025.
00:31:21
Speaker
is surging at around 15% of these 53 super spreaders. and Unfortunately, this type of content doesn't come alone. It's not just about health. And it usually kind of overlaps with political message messaging, talking about women's traditional roles in the kitchen, cooking,
00:31:38
Speaker
etc. Being a mother, just a mother, not you know having a career or any other kind of goals in life. And it connects these nutrition myths with broader cultural and political narratives. Like, for example, you need to eat meat to be a man, you know to be manly, you need to eat meat and so on and so forth.
00:31:58
Speaker
And you know this has just become like a health misinformation has become like a massive profitable industry. And it kind of exploits people's confusion about nutrition. which is understandable because it's quite a complex topic. And of course, every human is unique in some way.
00:32:11
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And you have you know these unqualified influencers. They are essentially practicing medicine because they're giving health advice and medicinal advice to to people without licenses and while making ah fortunes, much more money than real doctors are making for providing actual advice, actual scientific backed advice.
00:32:32
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So what do you make of this, Ant? Well, I mean, my my first question, well, I'll first of all respond to to the article. And I think it's a really good read.
00:32:43
Speaker
And I'd really encourage listeners to, ah you know, if you've got ah a few minutes, this week where you can sit down and read something follow the link in our show notes and have a look at this particularly the graphics that they do they they've kind of made these almost like top trump cards with like caricatures of the different types of super spreaders it's it's a well coined name it's a perhaps a bit close to the bone with them what we experienced with covid recently ah with super spreaders but they they kind of caricature these different types so there's the doc who uses borrowed authority the rebel who's
00:33:17
Speaker
sort of doing a counterculture cult and the hustler who's kind of purveying quick fix wellness, um as well as ah quite a few other graphics in this article. And I think it's it's really well read and it kind of cuts to the chase.
00:33:30
Speaker
The question I have is to what extent do we see this happening in the vegan movement because obviously there are folk who will be advocating a plant-based diet in some of these ways and i think we have to be fair don't we like we we can't accuse carnists of doing this without acknowledging that there will be a degree of this happening in the plant-based movement too and i wondered what your thoughts were on that carlos
00:34:04
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Yeah, it's so one of my one of my complaints about the vegan world, isn't it? the vegan The online vegan presence and how often it... Because being a vegan is a sort of a counterculture thing in a way.
00:34:18
Speaker
You're kind of running against the mainstream ah society. And then a lot of people who have those kinds of feelings... and become vegans and and they kind of hop on to other culture kind of counterculture things or counter ah common sense things, let's say.
00:34:33
Speaker
And it kind of all ties together into having basically vegans with lots of followers spreading misinformation under the name of veganism, which it really doesn't help, doesn't help things at all.
00:34:46
Speaker
uh we had that that lady a few episodes back and this is uh i think she was russian i believe uh she was quite popular and she was extremely extremely thin and she was a vegan and uh she had like um ah not a whole foods i think she was like a raw vegan if i'm not mistaken in terms of of diet and um you know she was very thin and then eventually she died from um for malnutrition.
00:35:12
Speaker
And of course, all that the news outlets just picked up that story saying, look, this is what happens when you when you're vegan. You become very thin and sickly, and then eventually you die because you're missing all these ingredients. When in fact, what happened with her was had nothing to do with veganism and just with kind of bundling a few things together, in this case, some sort of raw diet and maybe an eating eating disorder to boot.
00:35:35
Speaker
So it's it's it's very important that, you know, veganism kind of tries to try tries to stick to veganism itself, you know, not try to kind of bring other stuff into it and and call it veganism.
Mr. Charlie's Vegan Chain Expansion
00:35:47
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You know, ah a raw ah raw diet has nothing to do with with veganism. It's just it's just another adjective to add to a diet. But it's it's not necessarily, you know, there's there's plenty of plants you cannot eat without cooking.
00:36:01
Speaker
I had some sympathy for folk who are genuinely trying to give good advice. They're choosing a platform or platforms that reach the masses for for maximum effect and will feel the need or they're is just a general need for them to put some financial incentive into their offering because that they've made the decision that this is their living that they're going to do.
00:36:31
Speaker
I do understand. I mean, my heart sinks if I'm watching an Earthling Ed video. and there's an ad or there's something that he's that he's selling. And I understand it too, but it there's no doubt about it. It does dilute the message. It does dilute your authenticity and how much you can be trusted.
00:36:51
Speaker
And like I think it's just a case of separating those things and and not mixing them up too much, I suppose. But yeah, it's it's an it's an awkward one that, isn't it? Because most most people you know aren't living off an inheritance or aren't aren't billionaires or whatever. So I get that.
00:37:09
Speaker
And there's, I mean, there's a ton of people who are just being exploitative. Don't get me wrong. Like I'm not saying that everyone's doing this genuinely, but um it's is a tricky one. Yeah, that there might be people out there who genuinely believe what they're saying, but they also need to understand that they should not be giving advice unless they're qualified to give that advice.
00:37:31
Speaker
they they're but They're harming people, effectively harming people. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it becomes more... Money money or no money. Yeah. It becomes more complicated when we know that medical doctors are not impervious to making mistakes, are they? you know that and and And people have only got the education that they've got, even if they've done a medical degree, what's their understanding of of nutrition and things like that, so that they're potentially going to be making mistakes too. So it does...
00:38:02
Speaker
It does muddy the waters a bit and you can see why folk will say, well, I'm going against this, blah, blah, blah. I really think you ought to be able to tell when with some things if there are a load of rubbish. I mean, in this article, there's a great screenshot of an Instagram ah post from the carnivore lifestyle.
00:38:21
Speaker
And there's a picture of a steak on a barbecue. It says the Bible refers to vegetables 13 times. It refers to meat 290 times. Eat biblically. I mean, that's clear. I mean, it's quite funny. um but but It makes no sense whatsoever as an argument. No, no, no. Not as a basis for a lifestyle. Oh, right. Oh, it was mentioned. I mean...
00:38:41
Speaker
The word and is presumably said even more than 290 times. Like, what are the implications for that then? So some stuff we ought to be able to wade through. You can look up online, so, you know, prominent plant-based physicians who are who out there Dr Neil Barnard, Dr Michael Greger they're a couple of my favourites you look them up online you can see their qualifications you can see when they you know they became physicians or or whatever and that doesn't mean that everything they say is going to be correct either does it so it's yeah always tricky but a good article
00:39:15
Speaker
Well, i want to I feel bad about saying this, but I mean this in the best way. Always do your own research. I know this is well this this phrase is used so so badly these days, but you know always always look at you know if so if you're going to follow somebody's advice, look at the opposite side, and like the counter arguments, and try to kind of form an opinion on that.
00:39:36
Speaker
For UK listeners, I don't know, out of, if you don't believe anybody else, believe the and NHS, I would say. because they Because they don't have a financial motive for what they do, right? Not yet, anyway. Not yet. not yeah In a few years, this podcast will be a relic. Yeah, but yeah remember when the NHS didn't have a financial motive now, but for now it doesn't. God, that dates it, doesn't it? yeah All right, on to your pick of the week, Ed.
00:40:06
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Yeah, so again, from greenqueen.com, they're on fire this week. When you listen to the intro to our show, you hear Kate doing her very best, oh, I've forgotten the state, Florida. She is imitating the governor there, or as was a year or so ago.
00:40:24
Speaker
as we record in 2025, who was basically saying, we're not having lab-grown meat in the state of Florida. Well, it's happened again, but there is more to this than meets the eye.
00:40:37
Speaker
Nebraska is the latest state to ban cultivated meat as state governor Pillan gets his wish, reads the headline. And that might just come across, well, you know, like a lot of conservative leaning people.
00:40:52
Speaker
He might be suspicious of lab grown meat. He might be protective of animal ag. And indeed that is the case, but there is a reason for this we can very definitely infer, I would say, because Governor Jim Pillan is the owner of the largest pork producer in Nebraska.
00:41:14
Speaker
And this bill that was sent to his desk last week for him to sign It was a bill that he himself had started months ago to protect the very industry he's built his fortune on. This is not a feel good story, but it is more evidence of the kind of stuff that people will talk about in the vegan and animal rights movement and can sound like conspiracy theory chatter. Oh, they're just lacing their own pockets, their own, you know, all of this stuff.
00:41:47
Speaker
Well, it's happening. It's happening in 2025. as we're recording. um So the um the bill is LB246, officially banning the production, sale or import of cultivated meat within state boundaries.
00:42:02
Speaker
For context, I don't think this is actually happening anywhere in the States at the moment, but they're just getting ahead of the game and just banning it before before anyone even you know gets any further in production.
00:42:14
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Anybody violating this would face penalties under the Pure Food Act, Now, there's an interesting phrase, isn't it? Considering what we were just talking about, ultra processed foods.
00:42:26
Speaker
I'm assuming there's no McDonald's, Burger King or anything like that in Nebraska then under the Pure Food Act. There's going to be a lot of people prosecuted, i think. in this one, as well as the Deceptive Trade Practices Act.
00:42:40
Speaker
I mean, you couldn't make this up. Somebody who is literally owning the largest pork producer, he's written the bill himself, he's now signing it as governor, and and if anyone breaks the rule, it's the Deceptive Trade Practices Act.
00:42:54
Speaker
I mean, talk about deception. Anyway, let's let's hear what he's had to say. He says, we need to be willing to protect and preserve our state's vital ag industry, Yeah, mean, really, I've not got huge amount more to say this. The article does on.
00:43:09
Speaker
the health consequences are unknown and so are the long-term effects ah consumers yeah i mean really i've not got a huge amount more to say on this the article does go on There's more details.
00:43:23
Speaker
there's There's lots more stats. I mean, the beef production alone accounts for 55% of the state's... Sorry, I've got the numbers wrong there. So agriculture is the largest source of Nebraska's emissions, which is 42% of the state's climate footprint.
00:43:43
Speaker
So agriculture as a whole, 42% of the climate footprint. beef production alone accounts for 55% of this share. So my quick math says that the beef industry is doing at least 21, 22% of the whole state's climate footprint.
00:44:01
Speaker
But no, we can't have lab-grown meat. That was, what a terrible idea. I mean, as it happens, I think a lot of us who are already aligned with a ah vegan lifestyle and vegan ethic would say that really cell-based agriculture is is not necessarily the answer to that. And and there are much more straightforward solutions to that.
00:44:22
Speaker
But um certainly to to completely ban one of the options and one of the solutions, seems silly, but we can't be surprised, Carlos, can we? if you've If you've got literally the most powerful person in the state who owns the largest pork producer in the state, of course they're going to ban this. It sounds like one of those TV shows where the writing is a bit on the nose.
00:44:46
Speaker
It's like, oh, okay, i know it's oh, no, you're making it too obvious. you know ah don't Don't make him like the largest pork producer. given him you know You can't have this character just be so so obviously so transparent in their actions, but it is. They're transparent in their actions. I would say, though, a surprising bit about this piece of news is that there was quite a lot of opposition to it.
00:45:09
Speaker
And some of it came from ranchers and farming groups, they said, they who said they didn't need the government's help to compete with cultivated meat. And one beef farmer said that he welcomed cultivated meat producers to jump into the pool and try to compete with his beef.
00:45:25
Speaker
And, you know, all all for free market. I mean, that's what know this this part of American politics believe in. So by that logic, cultivated meat should be allowed to compete with animal meat, let's call it, in the free market.
00:45:41
Speaker
let consumers decide? I mean, there's a really strong argument for that. but Because if something is taboo, if something is banned, if you've not experienced something before, your imagination can make it far better than it actually is in reality. um And i think if I if i were ah in Annamalag, I would probably be saying, no, bring it on.
00:46:00
Speaker
Come on. it it's People are going to know the difference. It's not going to be as good. ah I'd like to just say one final thing on this one, that the cheek of saying ah of this governor saying, we don't know what the long-term effects of this. We think this could be unhealthy. It could be dangerous.
00:46:19
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His own farms were investigated for the high nitrate levels in the water. Water was tested at 16 of his farms, and the nitrate levels were higher than the amount the federal government says it is safe to drink.
00:46:36
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and he's saying we're not going to have this lab-grown meat because it could be unsafe. Mate, you're making the water unsafe to drink. Come on, come on. And it's not it's it's not like we don't know the health impact of red meat anyway.
00:46:52
Speaker
Absolutely. We're listed as one of the main carcinogens. Carcinogens, yeah. Well, myself and Carlos have given our picks of the week. We've had our soapbox moment, but we very much appreciate hearing what you out there listening have to say too. That could be in response to something that Carlos and I have said today, or it could be a new news story or a different angle that we have missed.
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00:47:28
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00:47:53
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This is the news that Mr. Charlie's is opening 18 more branches across Arizona. Now, you might be thinking more, who the Dickens is Mr. Charlie? Well, they are...
00:48:06
Speaker
um basically trying to replicate mcdonald's in all the good ways none of the bad ways um playing them at their own game um they have been about since 2022 their first restaurant was in la los angeles In the United States, it seemed to do well.
00:48:28
Speaker
It's not just the fact that everything they do is plant-based and is done in the kind of culturally popular and and and well-known format of McDonald's in that it's fast food, it's burgers, it's bright and colourful branding.
00:48:43
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I mean, their branding is very on the nose. It is as close to McDonald's as you can get without being heavily sued, I am i imagine. um I imagine there'll be some legal case at some point because it's is it' very, very similar.
00:48:57
Speaker
um But also, they seem to be doing great stuff in terms of their social responsibility. um they On their website, they say, we don't just hire staff, we provide second chances for people who've been overlooked by by a broken system.
00:49:13
Speaker
That is because they've got a long-standing partnership with LA's Dream Center, which helps homeless and formerly incarcerated people find jobs. And they pay above minimum wage as well, which I'm not sure about McDonald's, but I imagine they sail very close to the legal minimum wage.
00:49:31
Speaker
They opened a branch in Sydney, ah Australia, ah think it was a year ago, as well as a second branch in San Francisco. But The new 18 restaurants in Arizona represents, obviously, the very biggest expansion yet. Carlos, I couldn't believe this. So they've got, my understanding is they've got three branches worldwide at the moment, and now that's expanding sixfold. I mean, it's a ah big risk. I assume someone's just offered them a wodge of money as as investment. and yeah good Yeah, these things all happen...
00:50:10
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without a reason, isn't it? It's not just a people having a... It's not, you know, decision made quickly to to expand to 80 new locations. So there must be a financial... must make financial sense.
00:50:22
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I would advise all listeners to go on the website, which is mrcharleys.co. So that's M-R-Charleys, S is kind of all single word, dot co.
00:50:34
Speaker
My God, the Mr. Royale with cheese looks amazing. Quarter pounds, plant-based burger patty, vegan cheese, pickles, sliced onion, mustard, and ketchup on the sesame bun. I know it's ultra-processed.
00:50:46
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I don't care.
00:50:49
Speaker
I would definitely have that for old times' sake, for old times' McDonald's sake. Yeah, these these things will happen rather, you know, it's been, I'm sure it's, they've kind of done all the, on all the mats and Well, it just goes to show that maybe Arizona has more vegans than I thought they have, if if that's where they're going to do their major expansion.
00:51:08
Speaker
yeah And isn't it amazing that they ah kind of do the charitable work together with ah with a the restaurant itself? I mean, to me, just running a plant-based McDonald's is is amazing enough, let alone doing the the partnership with LA's Dream Center.
00:51:24
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, yeah it's it's it's fantastic. And I mean... The fact is that the deeper you get when you you're examining a capitalist business, the more stuff you're going to find if you're from it from an ethical standpoint, you're going to find more and more things that you go, oh hang on, we can we can't have it like that. We need to change that bit too. It's not just where's the food coming from and avoiding animal exploitation. So, yeah, wage of workers.
00:51:53
Speaker
I can't see this on their website, but I'm pretty sure they try and basically match it at a price point as well, which I um might be wrong there. But if they are doing that or even coming close to it. then that is incredible because obviously McDonald's is able to achieve the prices it does because of government subsidies to to animal ag and because of the sheer volume that they're selling. So um obviously a lot of plant-based ah restaurants and and food companies struggle with with the price point. But as I can remember, I think they're trying to address that bit too.
00:52:29
Speaker
I can't help but being sceptical and not critical, but kind of wondering things sometimes. i think it's just part of my nature. I did worry that in two years' time, we're going to see headlines that say, Mr. Charlie's closes down 10 branches or or whatever, um in the same way that we've seen Lewis Hamilton's neat burger has been in the news recently. And anything like that when there's a big expansion it's great when it's expanding but then there's an almost inevitable contraction in some of these cases or a lot of these cases but you've you've got to try these things you've got to try these things and it might take off and not contract in that way and actually
00:53:15
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So long as it doesn't completely go bust, then that's that's fine, isn't it? And even if it does, you you've got to try these
Episode Conclusion and Community Engagement
00:53:22
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things. I mean, I'm speaking from a position of someone that that ran a vegan restaurant for five years and it's not there anymore. And I don't regret that. I don't regret that.
00:53:31
Speaker
We did what we did. we We made a big impact while we were doing it. And we're not doing it anymore, and that's a shame. But, like, we've got to try these things, haven't we? Yeah. And, I mean, this this brand is extremely strong.
00:53:45
Speaker
And clearly they're doing something right if they got this kind of investment to open 18 new branches. I mean, the restaurant business – in the vegan communities, I mean, there's always, like, a big – kind of People get really sad when a vegan business closes down, ah like ah a vegan like restaurant or cafe or something. and But the truth is that that that industry is is pretty brutal oh for everybody, not just not just for vegans. It's just brutal in general.
00:54:15
Speaker
There are cafes and restaurants closing down all the time, not just the vegan ones. i mean Without doing no research, I would say that the vegan ones close at the same rate as the non-vegan ones.
00:54:26
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It's just that because we yeah we have so few of them that it's a bigger story when ours close than when, you know, on the high street there's like five cafes and and they all change, oh no that change all close and reopen like three of them within the space of one or two years. That's just normal. Nobody would bat an eyelid at that happening. But when a vegan place closes, there's always a big narrative about, oh, see, the know veganism is going down and so on and i i think we do overreact to that uh i i want mr charlie's in the uk i would say that oh yeah mcdonald's is popular enough here yeah exactly yeah the the um i think the only way that you can distinguish from the outside of a building that that the mr charlie's is different to a mcdonald's is simply the size of the building
00:55:17
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you know obviously McDonald's will go for the the most expensive spot in town to get the most visibility and so that that the facade of ah of a Mr. Charlie's looks a bit more a bit smaller but other than that there're they're on it and well don't know what it tastes like but it certainly looks like it's ticking the boxes too so godspeed to them and and and good luck and and all the power to them right so we're at the end of our news stories now we do hope that you've enjoyed the show and if you have there is a tiny little favor that we would love to ask for you from we'd love to ask from you
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00:56:44
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