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178- What's the deal with vegan T-shirts?
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Some folk seems to wear a different t-shirt with a different animal rights slogan for every day of the week; others' wardrobes give nothing away about their vegan lifestyle. In this episode Mark, Julie & Anthony discuss the pros and cons of 'wearing your voice', as well as other similar advocacy techniques such as facebook profiles...and tote-bag choices!
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Introduction to Vegan Talk Episode
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody, what is in your wardrobe? There is a reason for me asking and you'll find out in a minute. I'm Anthony. For this episode of Vegan Talk, I am also joined by Mark and Julie.
00:00:13
Speaker
I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Take your flat grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? it They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
00:00:33
Speaker
Hang on a minute. You always pick phone.
00:00:40
Speaker
of social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns, you'll be all right. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:00:56
Speaker
I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hello everybody, Julie here. Welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk. Thank you for joining us.
00:01:09
Speaker
Hi everyone, this is Mark. ah You're listening to Vegan Talk. This is different from our Vegan Week news. This is where we talk about one specific topic.
Using Clothing for Advocacy
00:01:18
Speaker
and our previous episodes of vegan talk are available in people's podcast feed indeed do check them out there are some very interesting ones in fact i was the other day listening back to one that we did oh i don't know year and a bit ago and it was just as relevant today as it was then anyway what we're here to talk about today we're talking about shirt divism or put more simply how what you wear
00:01:43
Speaker
can advocate for animals and and possibly what you put on display. I don't know, might want to put a poster in your window or something like that, scribble some graffiti on the side of your house. Who am I to say? But let's start off talking about shirts.
00:01:56
Speaker
That's something that I have used to advocate for animals previously. And I I know that Julie's got some vegan t-shirts in her wardrobe because she's wearing one of them now. And I've definitely seen a different one to the one she's wearing two before.
00:02:10
Speaker
Mark, not sure I've ever seen you wearing a vegan t-shirt. Interesting. Right. Julie, why don't you start us off? Are you happy to share some of the vegan t-shirts that you own or have owned? Like what what what do they have on them? What makes a vegan t-shirt?
00:02:27
Speaker
So I've only got one actually and I'm wearing it and it says not your mum, not your milk on it. I can disagree with you. You've got another one. You've got one that says vegan runners on it. I'm going to call that vegan t-shirt. Oh gosh, yes. I've got my vegan runner UK running vest. I don't call that a t-shirt. I don't have a t-shirt of the, oh no, oh no, hang on. I've got a 2020 anniversary t-shirt.
00:02:52
Speaker
Yeah, I have actually forgotten about that. I don't because it's not a slogany thing. It's just like a running club thing. I haven't counted that. And I used to have a Go Vegan Scotland top as well.
00:03:06
Speaker
So, yes, that that means I have got three then and a Vegan Runners k Club Fest thing as well. Excellent. Excellent. A nice LRA. Mark, anything in your wardrobe current or in the past that you could call her a vegan top? Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. So I had a bunch of t-shirts, various ones down throughout the years. I do remember being at a demo once, Reclaim the Streets event back in the 90s in London.
00:03:32
Speaker
And we were all gathering, I think it was in Hyde Park or somewhere. And the plea it was ah it was quite a spiky atmosphere and the police were being quite intimidating. And I was wearing a t-shirt. It was a hot summer's day. And I was wearing a t-shirt that said, fuck the civil, let's get disobedience. Okay. so it was a play on the civil disobedience thing.
00:03:50
Speaker
And it was a picture of a guy about to throw a petrol bomb at something. Right. And it was all very. in your face and all that and A cop came up to me and said, if you don't take that T-shirt off, I'm going to arrest you. and I was saying, are you serious? He goes, yes, because it says the word fuck in it. And it's a really offensive image.
00:04:05
Speaker
And i had to take my T-shirt off. And the person i was with at the time, a girl, she did have a spare T-shirt, but it was quite tie-fitting. And it was sort of a tie-dye pink thing. So I went from being ah menacing, anarcho-punk to flamboyant, disco-loving, sort of look looking...
00:04:21
Speaker
Yeah, no, it was quite a transformation. Carnival mask. There was no rising for me that day because there no way was going to be arrested in that sort of attire, you know? Would they have asked you to do that if you'd been a woman? don't know. don't know. Do you know what I mean? That's sexist, I think. I was very shocked that he was basically, I was telling him, if I take this off, I have nothing on underneath. I'll be going around with a little top on. Are you going to arrest me for something?
00:04:48
Speaker
like that and he goes no but you've got i will arrest you unless you take that that uh t-shirt but what i should have done was turt was turned it inside out so the uh the offending article was facing in and not out what about vegan shirts though it's a very very inspiring t-shirt but it's not promoting animal rights Yeah, no, it isn't yet.
Subtle Activism vs. Provocative Clothing
00:05:06
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no So I did have one that i used to go out and hunt subs with it. and And it was an Animal Liberation Front one. And it was a slogan from a newspaper after an ALF action somewhere. And it was a picture of some burnt out animal transport trucks. And the slogan was fear haunts the abattoir.
00:05:23
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It was quite a famous one at the time. It was a brilliant slogan. And it was taken from a newspaper article. And it was a journalist describing how the owners of the abattoir were living in fear because of repeated attacks by the ALF. I used to wear that out hunt sabbing, but it really makes you a target for the police and for the hunt.
00:05:42
Speaker
And boy, did I come off a few times the worst for. It was actually ripped off me. and So it's gone now. And it's lost to the, it was thrown into a head somewhere in the West of Ireland. So, yeah, so I ah don't have any t-shirts that say the word vegan or vegan AF I've seen around a lot as well. I find that a bit obvious. ah I like something that sort of refers to it, but in a slightly more oblique way. So I will wear a lot of punk rock t-shirts that, of bands that clearly promote that sort of stuff, like conflict. or crass or rudimentary peanut.
00:06:15
Speaker
But being too literal isn't really my style. I like a little bit of subtlety in case that is required for whatever situation I'm in, because I tend to go around in t-shirts quite a lot. So I don't want to be marking myself out too much too easily. I live now in dairy country, so don't want to be dragged out and lynched in front of the kids.
00:06:34
Speaker
So I do have to be somewhat discreet at times. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, you ah you you said about um not being too on the nose or not being too direct is is not your style. that that I thought that's a brilliant intro into me because I've i've definitely had a ah ah phase where basically every day shirt that I would wear would have some sort of blunt animal rights or vegan ah phrase on it I think it started when I was working in a job that ah the opportunities to advocate were were quite minimal but we could wear what we wanted and but within reason so just each each day I'd have a
00:07:18
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ah different shirt and I don't have any tattoos but I kind of I like sort of wearing my identity on my on my sleeve if you like so um I similarly to Julie had a not your mum not your milk shirt ah ah there was one that was Darius Scary there's one I still have now that's um says ah real food has mud, not blood. One of my favorite ones that I i don't have anymore, which I regret, was ah a picture of a dog, like in the shape of a hot dog.
00:07:49
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And it said, would you eat your dog? And then, ah yeah a few other like vegan running tops. There's one that says vegan athlete. um Another one that says protein and it's just got pictures of different seeds and nuts and things like that. So, yeah, I've definitely had about 20, 25, would have thought, shirts that I've i've worn over the years.
00:08:10
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I will say... that I wear them less often now which perhaps that'll be a source of conversation in a moment Julie can we round back to you then why why do you have a shirt that says not your mum not your mum like do you just wear it for the podcast does it you know do you do you wear it amongst non-vegans like talk us through i thought process thought process I wear this strategically. So I think I think i wore this at Christmas when I had to spend time with my family who aren't vegan.
00:08:47
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um Yeah, I just at times when I feel that my veganism is going to be challenged in some way by being in the presence of people glorifying the consumption of veganism.
00:09:02
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exploited animal parts and secretions and things so I wear it then wore it to ah film screening which was a vegan event to show my solidarity I wore it to a vegan festival sort of like a one day thing not a stay in a field kind of business and But yeah, to show solidarity with other vegans, my Go Vegan Scotland shirt, which had a lovely phrase right on the back of it. I don't like stuff on the front.
00:09:34
Speaker
I'm a woman, you know, I mean, I don't really want to be kind of, well, you know, look at my boobs kind of thing. But on the back, it said, stop the demand.
00:09:45
Speaker
No, end the violence. Stop the demand. Go Vegan Scotland. And I strategically used to wear that in Tesco shopping, you know what mean? And that an I do the remember as well wearing it when I was going to be in a race with another woman who was an ex-Olympic athlete who I knew was going to do this race and she brought a book out.
00:10:14
Speaker
And the book was dietary advice for people who wanted to be good athletes. And there was lots of advocating for meat eating in there. And so not only was she selling a book on public land, which is illegal in this country, but she was advocating against vegetarianism and veganism and saying that actually, you know, you do need animal protein if you want to be a really good athlete and all the rest of it.
00:10:40
Speaker
So I was in the same race as her. So when it came to the prize giving, so I'd done the race in a vegan runners fest. When it came to the prize giving, I just made the extra point by putting on my, you know, stop the demand, end the violence shirt when I went out to get my prize. I didn't beat her.
00:10:59
Speaker
She's an ex Olympic athlete. But I did win a prize, as did she. She obviously, in a small local race, you know, she was first lady, whatever. But a male vegan runner beat her, actually.
00:11:12
Speaker
So good for him. It was a fantastic day for vegan runners. whom But yeah, so I strategically wore it then. But so I just, I pick my days, really, to wear it.
00:11:23
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Mark, you you've you kind of mentioned being strategic and using your discretion in in terms of the, I guess, the pitfall of just marking yourself out as that person that's always wearing a a vegan t-shirt. it's it's It's interesting where everyone will draw that line in a different place, won't they, I guess?
Mainstream Adoption of Activist Styles
00:11:43
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Yeah, indeed. I mean, you see more and more these days, for instance, yesterday, I'm not sure if it's a new video who's promoting or if it's the album cover, but Robbie Williams, big photograph of him in his new presentation for whatever he's releasing or done.
00:11:57
Speaker
And he's wearing a ah ah leather jacket that's been anarcho-pumped up, and it's full of Dead Kennedys badges and cracks written down the inside of it. and There is that aesthetic, the anarcho-punk crusty animal rights activist aesthetic is sometimes hijacked by people like David Beckham and now Robbie Williams when they when they pose in attire like this with t-shirts and with other clobber that is covered in slogans and symbols and all that.
00:12:25
Speaker
that hurl and hark back to the anarcho-punk days. These guys probably have never heard these bands that they're sporting or don't know anything about the slogans or the history behind them. But there is an aesthetic.
00:12:35
Speaker
and The Kardashians as well, sometimes there's you see these photographs of them looking all sort of anarcho-punk. And clearly it's clearly, it seeped into the ah mainstream a bit because it was quite an interesting aesthetic.
00:12:49
Speaker
um I know I'm getting off the point strictly of vegan t-shirts, but A lot of that presenting your clothes as a political statement was deeply entwined with the punk movement, where you could be spotted a mile off by the clothes you're wearing, which were covered in slogans and badges and symbols.
00:13:05
Speaker
And it was a way to signal to other people who had the same interests that you were of similar mind. But of course, it also makes you stand out for the opposition or for the police to sort of harassed or whatever so uh i don't wear it's stuff that has dramatic slogans on it too much anymore because it can be quite pigeonholing i suppose when you're meeting new new people and they will have they will form an instant opinion on you and that will be influenced by what you're wearing including if there's any strong slogans on it so there is a time and a place back in the day i didn't really care about that sort of stuff and i used to dress very much like the punk with the mohican and
00:13:40
Speaker
covered in slogans and t-shirts with all these, you know, very inent class war and ALF sort of stuff like that. But, um and I enjoyed it at the time, I enjoyed the reaction. But nowadays, I know the power that I can have. And I'm not prepared to attract the negative and positive attention that it generates on a continuous basis.
00:13:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And I i think, again, that that chimes with myself. Like it my peak of wearing, ah like you know, a different vegan t-shirt every day, there there were two occasions. One was when I was running a vegan business. So that that seemed to work like a public facing one, I should say, and like in a cafe restaurant.
00:14:15
Speaker
So that seemed seem to be fitting. But also in in a school of maybe like 80 to 100 people, that my role was one where it was one where I could dress casually.
00:14:27
Speaker
And even though I knew I was typecasting myself as the the only vegan in the village and like, God, is that the only part to Anthony's personality? Like all he's got to wear is animal rights shirts or whatever.
00:14:40
Speaker
Even though that would have irritated people, I bet they will have still read what was on there. And I think one of the beauty of using, I'm i'm going to call it an art form, like, you know, making making clothes and and putting messages on them,
00:14:54
Speaker
is that you can do really direct things and then you can do more subtle things. So, you know, if you're drawing attention to, well, actually you and can get protein from tofu and seeds and and chickpeas or whatever, or whether you're saying, actually what is happening to animals is is horrific, or you're doing something self-deprecating or funny. I bought one in this brilliant ah Vegan Workers' co Cooperative grocers in Berlin in in Germany,
00:15:23
Speaker
that was a block of tofu with a monocle on and a top hat. And it said underneath it, ah tofu mit geschmack, which translates as tofu with taste. And it was the idea was that it was a you know very ah very tasteful gentleman with his monocle and his top hat.
00:15:38
Speaker
like silly things like that they can get through to people in different ways and show that oh vegans can be light-hearted or actually animal rights has got a lot of sense to it or you can be healthy as a vegan there's lots of different ways of getting through but i think there is an element of self-sacrifice to a to a point isn't there because there's there's different responses that people could have or they could they could judge you or not want talk you to you about it and yeah yeah about yeah i i like the uh there is a vegan flag now you know that one with the the sort of blue triangle it's blue triangle and yeah which is relatively subtle like it doesn't have a slogan on it it's a flag but if you know what it is you know what it is if you aren't familiar with it you you'd probably think it's a it could be a
00:16:23
Speaker
ah obscure football team that you're supporting or or your college symbol or something like that. It isn't very obvious.
Symbolism in Vegan Advocacy
00:16:29
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um And I quite like that. It's full of symbology. So the upside down triangle is that the revolutionary. The quickest way to get to the top is turnout is to turn everything upside down. And and the V is for veganism and the the green and blue for the the earth and the sky and others so it's it's full of symbology which i love um and it looks like a proper flag and i've got the tattoo of it and i've got the flag of it pinned i have a garage like a man cave and it's just festooned flags and banners and stuff like that from back in the day so uh i do love all that and i i went to art college and i've designed a lot of
00:17:03
Speaker
ah symbols and T-shirts as well. In fact, ah over the years for various groups, generally animal rights groups, were one of the ones was, you know Miffy? You know that rabbit, that cute little cartoon rabbit air from the 80s?
00:17:17
Speaker
So for our Huntsab group down in the Children Huntsabs, down in Hertfordshire I designed our logo which was Miffy holding behind his back a big spanner and the slogan beneath it was you're next and I'm the name of our Huntside group on top of it so yeah subtle things that play with him imagery soft and hard and all the rest of it I really like that but I think the vegan flag is quite a nice little touch and it isn't too in your face but if you know what it means it' it's full of meaning you know Yeah, absolutely.
00:17:45
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Julie, i'm I'm interested, like we've we've spoken before about the the benefits to not necessarily being a secret vegan, but but kind of getting to know folk and then your your animal rights views coming out at an opportune moment, maybe further down the line. And that sometimes having more impact than if you shake hands with somebody the first time you meet them, say, hi, I'm Julie, I'm a vegan or whatever. Yeah. I wonder whether there's an element of if you are somebody that would prefer not to, or maybe you could strategically choose.
00:18:18
Speaker
Actually, I'm not going to festoon myself with vegan T-shirts. Or I'm also thinking about Facebook profiles. There's almost a ah parallel there for for people using social media. Some people, like, on social media, they appear as Joe vegan blogs and, like, their background picture is them on, you know, being very animal rights or whatever, whereas other folk, it's it's not there.
00:18:41
Speaker
The more subtle or secret vegan approach can also have its merits, can't it? Yeah, I think so. I take that approach, I think, because it's always there, you know, with me, but it's not sort of front and centre all the time. I've got a little...
00:18:57
Speaker
tattoo on my head that is vegan but you have to kind of know a bit about veganism to to get the symbolism of it if you see what i mean i thought you're gonna say you we we need to know you before we can see it i thought that's there was a bit of that as well it was well It's only little. Yes, I have quite a restricted audience.
00:19:21
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and So with there's that. I'm quite good at showing it to folk, actually. So, yeah. i Yes, I tend to think I have more impact because I will be very...
00:19:36
Speaker
circumspect and how I discuss my views on animal equality and then once somebody has walked into the trap if you like I will just quietly and subtly absolutely let them have it have it in a very calm voice just with both barrels with no kind of holding back but yeah I don't kind of come up front with it or anything like that because I think it's more effective to just be really nice about it but not in a letting people off the hook kind of way but just in a in a more kind of circumspect kind of way and in terms of other things that I have on my person on a daily basis though I would say that I don't think I go a day
00:20:26
Speaker
without carrying about something that says vegan on it or something to that effect because my bags for life when I go shopping are all Hunt Sabs or Animal Justice Project those kind of societies. I collect their tote bags and I always take them to Tesco and I very often have people talk to me about them And about what I'm buying as well.
00:20:52
Speaker
And I have great conversations with people in Tesco about animals and animal rights and everything. And so, yeah, ah they they do. They help me with my advocacy on a daily basis.
00:21:03
Speaker
I also shop with another organization or company called Vegan Happy. And they just put a little vegan happy label. You've seen them, eh? So my sort of handbag when I'm out and about, my clubbing one, you know, when you just want to, you're not a girl, but when you're a girl and you're going out dancing and you don't want a big bag, I've just got a really tiny one that just, it's like a wee rucksack thing, but it's tiny.
00:21:27
Speaker
And that's got big label sticking out saying vegan happy, you know. And just things like that. So I kind of, I do wear my animal rights views with me, obviously all the time in my head, but I do have them on my person if you're looking for them, I think at all times as well.
00:21:46
Speaker
But yeah, I'm not kind of no squeals with my meals, you know, huge big pink. t-shirt in people's faces there's nothing wrong with that but it isn't my style and I do I ah look with hope when I see a new lot of merch coming out from an animal rights organization or just from somebody printing a load of t-shirts or when I go to a vegan festival I'm always really excited to see what's there but sometimes I just find it not quite to my it's not like Mark was saying it's just not subtle enough it's just there's something about it
00:22:19
Speaker
that doesn't resonate with me but um I always love it when there is something that I find and I think that is smart that is you know nice I like that message but it's it's rare there's a lot of stuff out there that that looks like it's been created not by vegans Oh, i'm I'm certain that that's the
Vegan Merchandise: Authenticity and Impact
00:22:38
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case.
00:22:38
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Like, if you just follow the trail, you can see that that is the case sometimes, for sure. And, you know, I just want to give a shout out to to vegans and and animal rights organisations.
00:22:51
Speaker
who are producing this stuff because it's, I mean, isn't it great that by us buying stuff like that, if, if we want it, I'm definitely not going to suggest that people should do it if they don't want to. And of course, resources have been used to create these things, but if there can be such a thing, as such a job, such a business as a vegan t-shirt maker or a vegan t-shirt Like, that's a great thing to support, isn't it? That's the world that we want to see. There there is a, I think it's ah it's a one person operation um called Anti-Carnist and they're on eBay or Etsy or something like that. Sorry, Etsy.
00:23:28
Speaker
And it's it's a series of images on T-shirts and stickers and patches and so forth of Baphomet, which is a figure from way back about a millennia ago. It's like a goat. It's a goat's head, but it's it's again, it's full of meaning. And it usually says anti-carnist on it somewhere.
00:23:47
Speaker
with a subtle slogan as well. And it's superb stuff. if you're into the sort of gothic punk metal type imagery, it's perfect for that. It isn't too in your face, but it is really intriguing.
00:23:58
Speaker
I really like that the idea of stuff where it's appealing to a wider audience and sometimes that is because it is something that's that's beautiful in its sense or it's something that's that's thought-provoking and I can I can imagine Julie with your bags for life at the hit the checkout if you know if there's a tote bag that says something that's that's provoking.
00:24:20
Speaker
I've got a shirt that that says at the bottom of it, says everybody's equal. And then there's just like little cartoon pictures of loads of different types of animals. And one of them is marine life themed. And then another one is e land animal themed. And that's a statement that other than fascists,
00:24:38
Speaker
everyone can get on board with that message and it's quite a pretty shirt and i've had folk who i know are not vegan say oh i really like your shirt and then because they've started the conversation you can go yeah it's great isn't it it's from a from a vegan company it's um it's it's just a message i can really get on board with or whatever and and then all of a sudden someone's realized that oh i really like the vegan message oh that's interesting isn't it I wonder, do we think there is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:09
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What's the difference between doing this, like wearing a vegan t-shirt and posting something on Facebook, for for example, or putting up a poster?
00:25:20
Speaker
is it Is it doing the same thing? i think it it's sort of, it it personalizes it a lot more. Putting up a Facebook page or profile or a statement is is easy. ah Talk is cheap.
00:25:31
Speaker
It happens all the time. I'm much information impact that sort of stuff has wearing a t-shirt so that not so much the slogan on or the image or it's that it's plus the fact that you're giving a presence physical presence to this idea you're the living embodiment of this ism if you like so it's a bit more committed and there's you're putting more on the line you're risking a bit more if you like because you can get hassle for wearing these sort of t-shirts it's happened to me before um so it's it's it's putting a bit more of you into it and as a result it's it's a stronger statement just by the fact that there's someone wearing a pro animal rights t-shirt and then there's the slogan and imagery as well but the very fact that a a person is wearing it around out in public is more of a statement in and of itself than doing this online the difference between say wearing a t-shirt and putting up graffiti is that you can't usually get arrested for wearing a t-shirt although i almost did i have been arrested for spraying up graffiti and so that is the difference but again
00:26:37
Speaker
It's publicly making it's making a public statement that has involved risk and that in itself has cachet to it I think the thing that that kind of makes me hesitate to wear some vegan or a lot of vegan T-shirts and the difference that you're kind of alluding to there between those and a Facebook post perhaps.
00:26:57
Speaker
is that when a message is reduced to a slogan only, it just looks like a sort of command and, you know, end speciesism or something like that.
00:27:08
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And I think it's too much of a big jump to someone who doesn't even know what speciesism is to be meaningful. And I am... Much as I hate animal exploitation and slaughter more than anything else in the world, I still don't go about barking orders at people directly to stop it because it's one, ineffective. And you know what mean? So it's not my way. My way is so much more nuanced and subtle than that and so much more about leading them into a conversation where their own logic defeats them.
00:27:46
Speaker
and they've got to agree that actually they don't believe in animal abuse any more than I do. you know I mean? That's the way I do it. I kind of talk to people's innate reasonableness and, you know, kind of that rather than stop that, stop this, do don't do that that. You know I mean?
00:28:08
Speaker
That is just not my approach. And a lot of t-shirts are a bit like that and I just I think they just invite resistance and bit of ridicule and pushback because even me as a vegan looking at some of them I think that's a bit lame or I don't know it just like I say it doesn't resonate with me and it's not the way I go about persuading people because I don't think it's effective I think it just puts barriers up Whereas, like I say, if you get into a good confab with somebody and get to the points of agreement where you both agree already and then where their cognitive dissonance comes in, you know, i mean, it's ah it's a much more subtle process than just going about with a slogan, you know, on
Shifts in Views on Vegan Messaging
00:28:53
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you.
00:28:53
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i've I've definitely bought shirts at a vegan festival where I'm surrounded by vegans. I'm feeling really animal rightsy. And like, it's a cathartic, like, yeah, like i I've never owned the um the infamous.
00:29:08
Speaker
And on the seventh day, God firebombed McDonald's shirt. But like, i've I've had shirts like that that I've bought in the spur of the moment. And then when I've got home, I'm just like, well, when am I ever going to wear that?
00:29:20
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And actually, like I have one that was bought for me. It just says animals are not ours to eat, use or experiment on or or something like that.
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And it's so strident in its in its command and and and what have you. that like if if it's the last one that i've got clean and i'll wear it like under something else like i've almost found myself apologizing for it if like i get hot and then i take my hoodie off and then i'm like oh my god i'm sorry i didn't realize i was wearing this and then then like i'm apologizing for my animal rights views that that's the complete opposite effect so i think there is definitely a particularly in a world of limited resources and where we do need to be careful there
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We do need to question ourselves sometimes, like, am I just buying this for a cathartic release? Am I going to feel like this in 24 hours time or whatever? Is there another way that I can channel my feeling of helplessness in a non-vegan world? But like I say, ah but there's loads of great...
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great shirts out there that do great things.
Listener Engagement and Conclusion
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Well, everybody, we have said what we want to say about vegan t-shirts, but there's some that we've not given a name check. We know that there's one in your drawer at home that we've not mentioned and we need to share the love on it. So do get in touch with us.
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00:31:04
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Go on, send us a message today. Enoughofthefalafel at gmail.com. Thank you, Julie and Mark, for that conversation. That was very, very enjoyable indeed.
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00:31:27
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Julie, when is the next episode coming out? It's coming out on Monday and it's going to be a Vegan Week episode. So that's our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news.
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and Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thanks, Julie and Anthony, for all your contributions. Thanks, everyone, again, for listening. I've been Mark and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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00:32:13
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