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Part 2: Navigating Social Media Influences
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In part 2 of our social media influences episodes, we dissect the trends we are seeing on social media and discuss the most productive way to navigate them with our clients to create deeper connection and trust with them. This is a fun episode and we'd love for any feedback on these trends or trends that you have seen that we didn't address.
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Transcript
Introduction & Topic Overview
00:00:14
Speaker
Hi, you guys. Welcome to the Beyond Aesthetics podcast. We are your hosts. My name is Tiffany. My name is Jess. We're so happy you're here. Today's episode is our part two to social media influences. We
00:00:37
Speaker
And when this comes out, part one, well, our part one's already out, isn't it? So this is a follow up to that part one. So before we do get into this episode, if you have not listened to part one, you'll want to definitely download and listen to social media influences part one, because it has a lot of free, pre-information that we aren't going to cover as in depth today.
Navigating Social Media as Beauty Professionals
00:01:07
Speaker
It got heated. It got heated. When I listened to it back, I was like, whew. It was such good information, though, right? I think so. Yeah, it's just something I'm so passionate about. And you can hear that in the episode because I just keep taking it away and going off. But it is something I feel so strongly about. And I know that a lot of people really struggle with it. So yeah.
00:01:37
Speaker
Yeah, definitely tune into part one. We're happy you're here for part two. So happy. Yeah. We're really excited. Okay. We kind of have a long list of things to go over today. We do. Our social media influences. So just some background. Social media influences really is for our estheticians, beauty professionals, and what you may come across on social media.
00:02:06
Speaker
whether it's through influencers or through famous TikTokers or what you're seeing and how you can navigate that information that you're seeing and in turn, decipher if it is good information or not and how you can kindly and gracefully educate your clients on this information. That was beautifully said. Thank you. You're welcome.
00:02:36
Speaker
So with that being said, we want to remind you that, and we covered this in depth in part one, but we want to remind you as a trusted advisor, as a skincare professional, you have a powerful tool in your hands. It's right on your phone that you're consuming every single day through Instagram, through TikTok, through Facebook, through social media as a whole.
00:03:03
Speaker
And when we view social media as a tool that works for us, not against us, it is so powerful. And we can use it to our advances. And it's really just deciphering the information, trusting our gut and our intuition as a trusted advisor, as a licensed professional, and then approaching our clientele
00:03:30
Speaker
an open heart space, so much love, so much grace, and from an educational standpoint. Just a reminder, you know, we don't want to poke fun at our clients. We don't want to make them feel dumb or stupid for doing things that maybe isn't the best. We can always put a positive spin on it. So that's just a quick reminder on that. Do you have anything to add, Jess?
00:03:55
Speaker
Yeah, it's really just all about positioning yourself to always be the one that they can come to.
00:04:04
Speaker
and ask you anything and tell you anything and know that you're not going to judge them and that you are just their confidant, you are their trusted advisor and so I think that that should be every esthetician's number one goal is to have relationships that are so freaking solid that as soon as a client were to see something
00:04:26
Speaker
on social media or whatever. It doesn't matter that they would come to you first and say, what is this all about? You know what I mean? Or to tell you that they've tried it or whatever that looks like. But I think that that should be the main goal is that you really position yourself that way.
00:04:45
Speaker
Yeah. And for them to feel safe in coming to you. And it's all, it's really all about just building a trusting relationship with your clients in person, online, in all aspects. Yeah. Definitely.
00:05:01
Speaker
beautiful, so important, especially these days because social media is just a part of it and it's not going away. And that is why we're so passionate about it and why we got so heated on that last episode is because it's growing and it's growing, it's not going away. And so we really need to flip it on its head and take a very
00:05:22
Speaker
positive, productive approach and make it, like Tiffany said, work for us. It really isn't working against us. It really isn't. And people get so frustrated and I'm like, no, no, no. Social media is doing us a huge favor. As we'll see when we go through this list, it is actually doing us a massive favor. You just have to flip the narrative. And like Tiffany said, come from a place of education when we're having these conversations about these interesting topics.
Exploring Skincare Trends: Beef Tallow and More
00:05:53
Speaker
I'm so interesting. Let's start with beef tallow since you were just talking about that. One thing that you mentioned in the last episode that's going to be really important for this episode too is that a lot of these things are drama.
00:06:10
Speaker
Yes. You know, so like there's always kind of this underlying reason that's actually really valid. It's just being like said or marketed in such a dramatic way that makes it sound insane when a lot of it isn't really insane necessarily. It just is like
00:06:34
Speaker
Do you know? That sounds crazy. But then you break it apart and you're like, oh, actually. I get it. Which is actually where I discovered in the beat. Okay, I can see. But death is right. A lot of it is like if you want to call it clickbait or
00:06:53
Speaker
attention grabbers or something to stop the scroll. A lot of these influencers are throwing out information to grab your attention, stop the scroll, and then view their content. I get that. In a world of millions and millions and millions of influencers, you got to stand out. They're doing
00:07:20
Speaker
It's just getting to the bottom of it and finding out the core reason of why they're saying what they're saying or preaching what they're preaching and using your own education. Yeah. As a licensed professionals, maybe like don't give ourselves the credit that we have a lot of times and I don't think a lot of estheticians do. If you ran to school, you are a licensed by your state professional to practice skincare.
00:07:51
Speaker
Use your education. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. You guys heard of beef tallow for skincare. It has on TikTok 14 million views. What? What the freak? It, I mean, it's insane. Wow. That's crazy. Cause this is like the, that was the first time that I'm seeing it. Yeah.
00:08:20
Speaker
I know the other day when I was researching these topics was the first time that it came up for me. And I really didn't know what it was, what it was. Even in general, I had to look or Google what beef is. Yeah. For those that don't know it's, I wrote it down. It's a rendered down beef fat and it is commonly used to make soup and candles.
00:08:45
Speaker
So basically it's this waxy substance that's had all of its solids and moisture removed. It's been around for a really long time. People have been using it. Actually people in general have been using plant and animal fats for centuries. So it's really not a new concept. I think putting it on your skin in a famous way is a new concept. It's...
00:09:13
Speaker
But Jess, you probably already know, if you want to share why it's being touted as a skincare superstar. Yeah. So it is high in triglycerides and fatty acids, which is really important. It actually does have a lot of antioxidant properties. It has omega-3 fatty acids. So really great. It actually has anti-inflammatory and micro
00:09:40
Speaker
antimicrobial benefits. And so here's the deal. So does shea butter, like a lot of things do. So you know, it's interesting because yeah, when you wrote that down, I was like, what on earth? Like what on earth is this? But when I started reading about it, I was like,
00:10:03
Speaker
Okay, I kind of want to try it. I was like, yeah, I totally get that, you guys. This is actually just along the lines of slugging, in my opinion. This is just the same thing. It's like a different way that you would do that. It's going to be a little bit more of a product that seals the deal, right? So it's not like a serum or anything like that. Usually the products that you're finding that are beef tallow based are
00:10:28
Speaker
Oh, like balms almost? I mean, it's like shea butter, right? And at the end of the day, like that is exactly the same thing. And so the thing about it in skincare is that it's like we were talking last time when we were mentioning slugging in the last episode, I'm like, not everybody can get away with using Vaseline on their face, right? Like not everybody can get away with using things that are that waxy, like not everybody can get away with using shea butter too.
00:10:57
Speaker
Now, there's a lot of variables there based on how something is derived and manufactured and made and how clean it is. That is something that I was researching about it too. Having that be something really popular is pretty questionable as far as the products. If you're interested in trying it, you're going to want to do a lot of research.
00:11:19
Speaker
because you could definitely see some some comedones you could definitely see some clogged pores or there's no way that I could put that on my face like I'm still kind of breakout prone and I get clogged so easily so it's you know I was like yes I get it and I'd like love to try it maybe on on my body as far as like putting it on the face I really don't
00:11:37
Speaker
I think that for a lot of people, that's going to be a good idea. But I do think that for some people, maybe it is. Now, if you are like vegan, then that's definitely not it. Nope. Not going to want to go that direction. So that was my thoughts about it. What are your thoughts? Same. I think if somebody wanted to try it, definitely you could try it on your body. It could be a great moisturizer or something to hold in that hydration.
00:12:07
Speaker
Same though, I don't think for the typical skin type, it's going to be effective. Also that we talked about last time on part one is delivery system and food-based products. And so if I had to guess, beef tallow isn't going to have an effective delivery system to deliver its benefits into the layers of the skin.
00:12:33
Speaker
versus where an actual shea butter based skincare product does have that. So that's something to consider as well.
00:12:42
Speaker
Also, I would be concerned with the smell, personally. Maybe it doesn't have a smell. I don't know because I haven't tried it. So that would be something that it doesn't sound appealing to put on my skin. I thought the same thing. It's just weird. Now, I will say, and I am going to shout out a company that I found that I feel like if I were to purchase it, there's a body butter that I'm looking at right now.
00:13:10
Speaker
and a bomb. This company is called Primally Pure, p-r-i-m-a-l-l-y, pure.com. And, you know, when I was looking through the different companies that were offering something like this, I was like, yeah, you know what? If I were to try it, I actually feel like I would probably go with that company. I felt like it was pretty clean. It looks really nice. And so, yeah.
00:13:36
Speaker
I would go with that. You know what? Hold on. I just read something really weird. I just have screenshots, you guys. You can tell that I'm reading something. This is a paragraph that said, some TikTokers have claimed beef tallow is equivalent to retinol, an anti-aging substance derived from vitamin A.
00:13:53
Speaker
But this dermatologist said the two are not the same. You guys freak now. Absolutely not. There's not even a remote. No, absolutely not. This is definitely more along the lines of slugging and probably snail mucin. Is that how you say it? Or do you say mucin? I would see followed by E-I-R-Y. We'll say
00:14:19
Speaker
For anyone who's not in Idaho, you guys, I always joke. I'm from Idaho, so as long as I just sound confident when I say it, then it's right.
00:14:31
Speaker
presentations. People are like, is that how you say it? I'm like, probably not, but you wouldn't have questioned me because I sound so confident. You know what I mean? That they're like, oh, I've been saying it wrong. And I'm like, actually, I think you're saying it right. I'm saying it wrong, but I sounded so confident that you questioned yourself. So we'll say mucin though, that sounds, you know, but I honestly think it is along the same process. And I think slugging is along this. That's the same thought process here.
00:14:57
Speaker
Yeah, because there's no active ingredients in beef tallow or snail mucin. And so it's not comparable to your retinol or your other active ingredients. But yeah, it could be a wonderful, could be a wonderful option for smoking. Absolutely. I mean, to be honest, would I recommend beef tallow over Vaseline all day long?
00:15:24
Speaker
I would not rather have you put some beef tallow on your face that was mindfully manufactured than Vaseline. Yes, actually, I think that's a great idea. Now, the other thing is that it's important for you to look through. When we're talking about things like this, like snail mucin, beef tallow,
00:15:46
Speaker
Look at your own skincare line that you're carrying and try to match an alternative to that, right? And so that's the other point of like figuring out what this underlying thing is that's happening so that as you educate your clients you also have options for them to to say you know and and that's the other thing as we go through this these ones like beef tallow snail mucin skin slugging is
00:16:11
Speaker
This is about your skin barrier. This is about sealing the deal. Pack in some hydrating serums and then seal the deal with something nice and thick and it's great for rebalancing your skin barrier, locking in your hydration, especially during the winter months or if you've become really unbalanced for any reason.
00:16:30
Speaker
And so that would be the educational portion of this with your clients. And then you just want to find a product that you retail to match that and educate them on why your option is going to be a little bit better. Exactly. And I can guarantee if you have a skincare line that you carry and use, you're going to have a comparable option that's probably going to be a little bit more beneficial or not as poor clogging for your clients.
00:16:58
Speaker
but definitely always go back to what you have and how you can educate your clients on why your skincare product is going to be more beneficial, less damaging, whatever that may be.
00:17:11
Speaker
And it's a good example of social media doing us a favor because they're out there educating people on using thick moisturizer to seal the deal and help to repair the barrier and rebalance the skin. And so these types of trends are really doing us favors. And we need to look at it that way because now half of our job is done.
00:17:41
Speaker
more than probably have easy to convert your customers. If they want to buy from you, if they're already your customer, they're probably already buying from you. And you guys, beef tallow has educated 14 million people on TikTok, you know, a healthy lifted barrier and preventing tool transepidermal water loss. Exactly. Oh, you just felt basically fill in the blanks for them.
00:18:08
Speaker
And yeah, thank you social media. If we have Eminence listeners here, if we have Eminence users, that would be our Camellia Glow Solid Face Oil. That is actually exactly why we created that face oil was for these reasons. And so that would be a good alternative or any of our like Linden Calendula treatment would be good, Minoy Face and Neck Cream or even
00:18:34
Speaker
the coconut moisturizer actually would be a pretty dang close match to kind of more the ingredient kind of base concept of beef tallow, but we do have a lot of different options that would be good recommendations. And I'm sorry, I can't speak to a lot of other skincare lines because basically my entire life is immersed in evidence.
00:18:57
Speaker
If I know of any, I'll let you know, but just, I think a lot of our followers, probably at least 80% of them are our spot partners. So yeah. Yeah. Okay. What's going on? Okay. Let's see what else is on our list. We covered slugging last time, part one. Did we do skincare smoothies?
Skincare Myths and Misconceptions
00:19:24
Speaker
Let's talk about skincare smoothies. We may have touched on it, but let's go over that one again. I'm seeing that everywhere all of a sudden. I really think it's because the Dallas aesthetician touched on it. Now everybody is freaking out about why they're not okay because she doesn't like skincare smoothies.
00:19:48
Speaker
Okay. Got it. Got it. So she was the first one to come out and say, this is cray cray. Well, that's where I saw first, but now I'm seeing it everywhere. That it's not a good idea. Yeah. Okay. So for anyone- But I'm also seeing it trending, I think on TikTok.
00:20:01
Speaker
Yeah. So for anyone who doesn't know what that is, Tiffany did have to explain this one to me. So will you just reex, will you explain it? Yeah. So skincare smoothie is where you are essentially making a smoothie out of all of your products and then applying it once. So you would do your essence or say toner, add your serum, add your moisturizer, mix it all up into a smoothie and then apply. And
00:20:28
Speaker
for, I mean, I think it's safe to say for all of our skincare professionals and estheticians here, you know why that is not effective. Because all skincare products have their own delivery system and there's, I mean, always apply thinnest to thickest and you're essentially just mixing it all up and it's not gonna penetrate. It's not gonna provide any benefits when you're just slapping a smoothie on your face.
00:20:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think the only time that I would ever say, let's try it this way, is for somebody who, because if you guys don't know this about me already, I think one of the most important ways that we build client relationships, which we'll talk about in another episode, is to really meet people where they are.
00:21:17
Speaker
So if we are working with somebody who for whatever reason, you know, just needs to be really quick in and out and make things easier, then that's one thing. And I do I wouldn't mix more than a few, you know, three or four things at a time. But you know, I've been known to do this, like, let's say I mix a moisturizer with the vitamin C powder with an oil.
00:21:43
Speaker
But I don't think that's a full smoothie by any means. And I probably have a serum on already underneath of it. So the only time that I would say that that could be handy is just for that type of a person who wants to make things a little bit quicker and easier for any reason, even if it's just temporary. They're traveling, right? And they're just wanting... So is it the worst thing in the world? Absolutely not. And this is really a situation of good, better, best.
00:22:13
Speaker
You know, like it's not a horrible thing to do by any means, but I don't think that you're going to get the absolute best benefit out of all of your products that you're investing in or that your clients are investing in. And that's really what it should come down to is just educating them on like Tiffany said, the delivery systems and molecular weights we want to do within a set that gets we get the best activation and absorption from each.
00:22:38
Speaker
as much as we possibly can. We're going to get the best benefits that way. Now, if you're really tired that day and you just want to mix it all up and throw it all on, that is better than doing nothing. So there's just different levels to this one too. But yeah, no, that is really, really interesting skincare smoothies. When I first read that, you know what came to mind? Mixing up strawberries and blueberries and oatmeal and making a mask out of it.
00:23:08
Speaker
That's actually what I thought it was about too, and I had to ... That sounds like a surprise when you told me what it really was, but yeah, so you know what? It's not the worst thing in the world. There's just a good, better, best scenario here. Yeah, and like Jess said, we want our clients to be doing something, and if it's overwhelming for them to do six steps instead of break it down into three or four, then let them mix it, let them put it on their skin, and
00:23:36
Speaker
you know, reevaluate when they're down the road and have that routine. And then maybe we can educate them on getting them to separate those steps or however that may be. But if they're overwhelmed by it, they're not going to do it. And you'd rather them putting their skincare off at all.
00:23:54
Speaker
Absolutely. I love it. I love that one. Let's just start at the top so that my ADD brain can really keep track of this. We did talk about using a washcloth last time because we were talking about the disposable towels, but let's talk about not washing your face in the shower because this is one we briefly touched on last time.
00:24:16
Speaker
And I just really want to break this down to how important it is to me. This is not a good, better, best situation. To me, this needs to be taken off the table because it's too confusing. What Tiffany and I are assuming they're talking about is scalding hot water.
00:24:33
Speaker
I don't think it really has anything to do with washing your face in the shower. I think it's more about the temperature of water. It's like we're just, I don't know what, assuming that everybody takes hell showers. I'm like, what do you, I don't understand. I actually don't love hot showers. And I wash my face in the shower every day because I just don't know why you wouldn't do that, right? The only other thing that came to mind, and I might've mentioned this to you later, is are they talking about purified water?
00:25:02
Speaker
or like hard and soft water or like what's possible. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think about that? If that's the case, do you know, I am curious about it only because my childhood home where we grew up, we had the hardest water. Like our shower walls were stained orange. We had such iron based water and
00:25:28
Speaker
So I am curious about it. I don't have hard water now and I don't have really soft water. Like we actually have really good water. So I don't feel like I personally need that to have a filtered shower head for some though, especially, um, if you're like on well water, even city water, I don't know, you know, treated water. Yeah. Um, I'm curious about it. Yeah. Something that I feel like I need to integrate into my own life because I, I just know how,
00:25:58
Speaker
hard water, what it can do to your hair. Like, you know, we all had blonde hair growing up and it was all kind of tinged orange. Yeah. And we didn't drink our water. We bought our water from the store because it was, it was just not drinkable. So that is something that can contribute to maybe some skin issues, skin inherent issues. So that could be part of it too. I do agree with you though, that probably what they're saying is to not
00:26:24
Speaker
when they say don't wash your face in the shower, what they're actually saying is don't wash your face with scalding hot water. Especially if you have dry skin. It probably does have something to do with filtered water too because have you seen, I see advertisements for filtered shower heads. I totally want one. Yeah. I mean, they look amazing. Yeah. And I would be curious to see if it would make a difference in my skin and hair health.
00:26:54
Speaker
or not. But also then my mind goes to how often would you have to change the filter and would I keep up on that? Would I do it? I know. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So yeah, I think there's a couple of things to take into consideration, but as far as filtered water and not filtered water, I think that's another good, better, best situation depending on the skin type.
00:27:19
Speaker
super compromised and sensitive or you have super dry skin, then yeah, maybe that would be something to consider. But if you don't, and if your skin is fine, then again, it's probably taking an extra step that could be worth it, but just wash your face. Yeah, actually, just wash it. I feel like that's more of an issue.
00:27:41
Speaker
We're not an issue, but that's something that we navigate more of, of our clients just not washing their face. And so I think more than anything, you can spend your time and energy on that education, on why washing their face, whether it's cold water, hot water, whatever. Just wash your face. Get your makeup off, please. Get your makeup off, girl. Do it. Yep. And especially if you're going to bed with makeup on, you definitely want to be washing your face in the shower.
00:28:06
Speaker
the next morning. So let's encourage that. Exactly. That's why I was like, yeah, that's just kind of one of those where it's too confusing and it's something that you, kind of like the washcloth, you would really only bring that up if we're a little bit more advanced to somebody or if there really is something going on the skin that we're like, okay, we need to kind of play detective here and let's look at some other variables that could potentially be happening.
00:28:29
Speaker
I don't think it is like the most forthcoming, like you need to make a big deal about this with your clients because I just don't think so. I think it's a very, very confusing firstly, depending on who you're talking to. If Tiffany and I are a little bit confused by it and we're like, oh yeah, maybe, but I don't know, then you know what? Your clients are going to feel a little bit confused about that. Yes. Yeah.
00:28:59
Speaker
Just keep it at the basics for your clients and then build from there. Absolutely. My advice. Yes, definitely. Hey, we covered slugging in the last episode, skincare tools. This would be anything from cleansing brushes. We did touch on this in the last episode too. Do you feel like we need to go into it more? So we touched on it because we're re-recording this episode.
00:29:28
Speaker
So yeah, we need to touch on it. We are recording this episode. We had sound issues again. Yeah, sound issues. It's okay. Just keep following. We'll get back to it.
Tools and Techniques for Skincare
00:29:42
Speaker
Skincare tools, cleanse brushes, pour vacuums, extractor tools, tinkle razors. What am I missing? I don't know. Oh yeah, rollers.
00:29:58
Speaker
Oh yeah. Like the double rollers and needle rollers. Yep. Yeah. What's your thoughts? I feel like those have, I mean, those have trended in the last couple of years, maybe longer. And you know, the Clarisonic cleansing brushes, those really came out on the scene probably 10 years ago. Really popular. I had one. Yeah. I think there is some space for them.
00:30:26
Speaker
Um, especially if your clients are using them. But again, we want to approach this with kindness and a lot of grace and just education in a kind, loving way, because more than likely your clients are, have, or are using some sort of tool in their home care routine. And, um, yeah, we can maybe just, you know, gentle parenting them on. Yeah.
00:30:56
Speaker
it could be causing some issues in their skin and how we can redirect them if needed. Yeah. Now, cleansing brushes. I'm a big fan of cleansing brushes and that's a little bit controversial, but what I will say is that when... So, Clarisonic is no longer around as far as I know.
00:31:18
Speaker
When they were and when they first came out, I was on the forefront of them. I wanted to work for them. Like I loved it so much. And what I recommended to people is the longer bristles, the better because the softer the brush. And so I noticed for myself, that was one of the best, that was like the best my skin had ever been.
00:31:37
Speaker
and I was using it every single day, but I was using the softest ones possible, like not even sensitive. There was actually a delicate, it was baby blue. And then they even came out with an anti-aging one that was super long bristles. And so I would use it and then I would immediately do some soap and water and let it dry out and just make sure that it was good. And my skin responded so good to that. I think where we started running into the biggest issues with cleansing brushes is when
00:32:04
Speaker
you know, even Clarisonic was making like acne brushes and oily skin and men's brushes and the bristles were so short, it was just too much. And so that's kind of the thing is I like cleansing brushes, but I think it really makes a difference, the bristle length, how soft the bristle is, and then keeping it clean. And that is kind of the same thing for everything. Now dermal rollers, that's an issue because of bacteria.
00:32:33
Speaker
And that's kind of the conversation and education point that you would want to have with your clients. Honestly, I think that's crazy for people to use at home that don't have any education behind what's happening or how often to do it or how to care for the skin properly after, but also the sanitation aspect and the bacteria and what that would do to your skin.
00:32:56
Speaker
Tinkle raisers I feel bad that that Estititions make people feel so bad for doing it like I use them sometimes in a pinch, you know if I need to I definitely know how you know derma plane is so much better but if I can't get into an esthetician and I'm like going on a Trip and I want to make sure my skin's looking good then I'm gonna grab a clean one I use a clean one every time you could you know You could clean under whatever and I hurry and do it and just make sure that I'm really exfoliated and take care of my skin good so
00:33:26
Speaker
That's one of those things that I feel like estheticians should be a little bit more gentle about as far as just having more education and more love behind it because you're not getting away from it. People are going to buy them. People are going to use them. And so you just want to make sure that you're having a really positive conversation about it. And it's another good, better, best. Dermaplane really is ideal. It is definitely optimal.
00:33:53
Speaker
but in a pinch is it nice to take a tinkle razor and clean up your brows and your upper lip like yes it is you know and i like i'm really fuzzy right in here and it's really noticeable and sometimes i'll just you know hurry and do it and then wash my face real good and take care of it so it's it's an educational thing poor vacuums i think are a no
00:34:15
Speaker
someone brought this up to me, I want to say yesterday and I was like, yeah, no, that's, I don't know. Cause there's a sucking action. So I don't like that on the skin. Um, sometimes in the treatment room, I don't even like it. So for a client, I think it's a no clients using extractors is an absolutely not for me, like absolutely not. Because even as an esthetician, I think you need to have optimal training and be so good at extractions when you're taking, you know, little like,
00:34:46
Speaker
What are the, oh, lancets and like extractors and stuff like that. Even estheticians are chancing, scarring the skin and. So easy to scar the skin. Should not be in client's hands whatsoever. So I think it depends on the tool. It comes down to that education, the cleanliness, and like Tiffany said, being extra, extra gentle because these things are so widely available. And again, I think that the tools
00:35:13
Speaker
are kind of the biggest deal. I think we can do the most damage with tools and that's why we want to make sure that our relationships are so solid and so safe that before they even like considered it or if they did do it, they would let you know so that you can make sure that everything was good.
00:35:31
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's the key is helping them feel safe to come to you, whether they want to do it or they especially did do it. And I think like you said, it does make me sad too, because there's so much shame around especially tinkle razors. And it's
00:35:48
Speaker
I think estheticians have shamed women into feeling bad about using them because of peach fuzz and facial hair. Now, this is such a great opportunity as an esthetician to say like, if you need to use your tingleries or at home, go for it to get rid of that peach fuzz. Come see me for your dermal plane because we're going to get a really deep exfoliation and we're going to remove that top layer of dead skin. And it's going to be so great when we incorporate that into your facial, that peels going to be so much more beneficial. There's such opportunity there. Remember to
00:36:18
Speaker
your words can feel very shaming for women, even if you say them in a nice way. Just remember that. And I think the majority of women suffer from some sort of facial hair and it sucks and it's embarrassing and they're coming to you, they're trusted advisor for an option and they're not gonna be able to come see you. Some of them every month or every couple months, so what can they do? You can give them your blessing
00:36:48
Speaker
in a sense and say, if you need to use that, go for it. We'll see you at your next general plane appointment.
00:36:55
Speaker
for that deep exfoliation or however that may be. Yeah. And get a quick dermaplane option in the menu, you know, just like a quick let's cleanse, let's do a quick dermaplane, like, you know, make that a part of your menu so that, you know, if you, if you did need to slip that in for someone really easy, you know, versus using a tinkle razor, like, you know, don't shame people for doing it if they don't have the option to, you know, like hurry and get into you to get that taken care of either. So there's things to consider there for sure.
00:37:25
Speaker
Yeah, or put extractions on your menu. We have on our menu extractions a la carte. They just come in and we can extract and it's an affordable price. And they don't have to do the full facial, they don't have to do even the full germ of pain. And it's, it's actually a really popular service, especially for women who get milia, men or women will do extractions for milia. And so yeah, we would much rather have them come in, book a 20, 25 minute appointment,
00:37:53
Speaker
and do their extractions for them in a safe way than them trying to tackle it at home. Because I promise you, if they've got a big millet on their face, they're going to pick at it. We created this option for them that's affordable and quick. And yeah, I highly recommend it. Brilliant. Brilliant. Because I actually hadn't thought of that until it came out of my mouth. And so naturally, of course, you are already on top of it and have that menu option. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:23
Speaker
Create options for your clients. You can always put a spin on it that you can utilize, I think. Not always, but there are options. There's ways for you to utilize, you know, help them in a professional way. However, it looks for you. Get creative, you guys. I tell you what. Yes. Oh, so cool. I love that you do that. So the next one is pimple patches. Pimple patches.
00:38:49
Speaker
Um, so pimple patches are huge. They came on the scene. They've probably been around longer, but I feel like they really came on the scene in 2023, maybe end of 2022 and now they're everywhere. And, um, you know, I would have to lean towards my opinion that pimple patches are okay to use and I think they can be effective.
00:39:17
Speaker
And if your clients want to use them, go for it. Just educate them to put them on clean skin and to not pack makeup or concealer on top of them. Change them out. Yeah. Change them out. Yes. But I do feel that they are a great alternative to keep our clients from picking at their skin if they have a patch on.
00:39:40
Speaker
And like Jesse and I talked, I don't really know how they work. I think they just start work as a spot treatment and maybe suffocate the blemish a little bit if I had to guess. But yeah, a really great alternative to, especially if you have a client that's a picker, Pebble Patch is a great option for them.
00:40:01
Speaker
great spot treatment. Yeah, and you know, I am not a fan of people using acne ingredients on their face if they really don't suffer from acne. And so I think the beauty of pimple patches is that it allows you to spot treat in a really quick effective way without bringing in acne ingredients into your skincare routine if that isn't like
00:40:21
Speaker
know, a huge thing that you're suffering from, which I think is a big deal to have that option. And so I think that it actually does save your skin in many different ways. Yeah. Yeah. Like pimple patches. Yeah. Pro pimple patches. Skin cycling.
Personalizing Skincare Advice
00:40:42
Speaker
Skin cycling. I'm going to let you take the lead on this one, Jessica, if you have some good insight.
00:40:46
Speaker
Well, you know, I do like the concept of it. I think, you know, wherever this concept came from, it's wise, like it's smart. And basically, I mean, if you don't know what skin cycling is, it's just a process of like, you know, on this day you exfoliate, on this day you use your vitamin C. I'm going to say this out of order, I realize that. So you exfoliate, you know, maybe you're using some acids, next day we're doing vitamin C, next day we're going to do something like super hydrating or
00:41:12
Speaker
you know and then some people will throw in some vitamin a like their retinol in there for one day and so it's a process of kind of like i'm breaking down building up or it you know exfoliation and then like rebuilding which i'm a big fan of that. At the same time i find it to be extremely unrealistic i literally only know one person has ever.
00:41:34
Speaker
done it and really liked it but it didn't end up being something that she could be consistent with in the long term because it's just you know we're already having a difficult enough time getting people to do a routine you know and so I think to say
00:41:48
Speaker
On this day you do this, on this day you do this, on this day you do this. I just feel like it's a little much and so it's not that I don't agree with the concept of it. I feel like it's not super realistic for the majority of people to be out there like over promoting something like skin cycling. Like that's something that
00:42:06
Speaker
I'm not even sure I would skin cycle. I feel like that would even be a little bit much for me. I think you'd have to be a really special person that could really pay attention and track that to be able to do that. So that's my thoughts on it. Great concept, not incredibly realistic.
00:42:22
Speaker
No, I mean, I even have a hard time keeping track of my exfoliation. Totally. Yes. And so, yeah, not realistic. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. That really long-term attainable. You could probably do it for a week or two.
00:42:38
Speaker
when you have a long day and when you get off on one day and then you, it's would be so easy to just let it fizzle and then be confused and then say, screw it. I'm not going to do it at all. Absolutely. Much more effective to have a routine and consistency. And you know that. So educate your clients wisely about that. Routine is great. And you know,
00:43:01
Speaker
Um, the only thing that probably you want to cycle, like you said, is exfoliation and a good move that was every other day. Start there. We'll reevaluate after a few weeks, see if it's working or not. And then adjust accordingly. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. Snail mucin. We're going to say that confidently.
00:43:21
Speaker
Yeah, mucin. Like we mentioned earlier, same idea is probably beef tallow. It's really about the skin barrier and repairing that barrier and keeping it healthy. Now would we do it? It's not for me.
00:43:40
Speaker
Not for me. Nope. I've seen the product and wanted to order it out of curiosity, but not even because I was like, I can't wait to slather my face in this. It was just a little bit more like, what? I want to buy some.
00:43:53
Speaker
Yeah. I just like it's I don't even think snails are fishy like smelling, but it seems like it would be fishy smelling and icky. Yeah. Gooey growth. Like no, just the concept of it. Like I get it. But no, I don't think I could put it on my face. This is where what we talked about at the beginning of the episode, though, that comes in is that drama, clickbait. Yeah. Effect. This is marketing really.
00:44:23
Speaker
where you, I'm sure a lot of us have seen the video of, you know, the lady with the snails actually crawling on her skin. And that was such a great marketing tactic for whoever put that out for snail mucin, the product. Cause of course people saw that, shared it. I had so many of my clients send me the video. Like, have you seen this? Oh my gosh. You know, it was just this like, wow, effect. And, um, everybody was freaking out about it.
00:44:53
Speaker
What a great way to market your product. Just a reminder, people are good and it really comes down to how you market it. It really takes that deep dive and that education on why
00:45:12
Speaker
their marketing it, what, you know, what benefits it has and what you can offer as an alternative within your own skincare line that you carry. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely. Yes. Beautifully said. Beautifully said. Cleansing your face in the morning or not. You got to wash your face in the morning, but it doesn't need to be anything crazy. No, not at all. Not at all. And also I tell a lot of my clients who don't feel like they need to wash their face in the morning, just rinse with water.
00:45:42
Speaker
give them the okay with that and they're fine with that. I have a lot of, you know, Idaho is so dry. We have such a dry climate here, especially in the winter months. And the majority of our clientele have dry skin. And so, you know, they just, a lot of my clients don't feel like it helps for them to wash their face in the morning. And so I just tell them rinse with water or wipe your face down with a clean cloth or whatever that is.
00:46:11
Speaker
and then put your skincare on and go. And if that's working for you, great. I personally need to wash my face in the morning. I go watch the sleep out of my eyes. Oh yeah, I totally agree with that.
00:46:23
Speaker
So when we sleep, the temperature of our skin rises. So your overall body temp, it does lower just a tiny bit, but your skin actually gets warm. That's why companies have nighttime products is because there are certain ingredients, especially like stem cells and stuff like that, that they absorb better into your skin at night. So they are more effective. That's also when we become a little bit more dehydrated. So I think the importance of washing your face
00:46:49
Speaker
when we wake up in the morning is mostly because a lot of us sweat in our Sleep and our pillowcases can get kind of yucky. And so it's just a good idea to do a quick rinse quick cleanse I don't do anything crazy in the morning either some people I think you believe in exfoliating in the morning to kind of smooth out the skin
00:47:09
Speaker
I believe in exfoliating at night. So I think that there's a good, better, best scenario here as well, which is basically what you're saying. It's like, if you don't want to wash, let's at least rinse, right? Or for me, I'm like, oh, I don't want to do anything crazy, but I definitely want something nice and gentle just to cleanse in the morning when I wake up. Or there are some people who are going to do good with a nice, gentle exfoliation in the morning. So it varies by skin type and it varies by the reality of the situation.
00:47:38
Speaker
which is such a great point that we're gonna stop on and talk about too, is every single client's gonna be different. Every single situation's gonna be different. Their lifestyle's gonna be different. Their skin type, of course, their concerns. There are so many variables into place. So when you put out a blanket statement for all of your clients and followers, it can get so confusing. I know it's hard to reach every single person individually and then recommend accordingly,
00:48:07
Speaker
But just keep that in mind as you're on social media and as you're doing your recommendations and you're giving your advice that everybody has a unique skin type and situation and lifestyle and routine and all these things. And so try your best to recommend accordingly with that.
00:48:27
Speaker
Yeah, it reminds me of the conversation I had with Erin, which was a big reason for this episode in the first place. Our friend Erin, she's in Canada, and she was asking me about, she was like, I really want to do a post on exfoliation, but I'm really confused about winter and summer exfoliation. Do you think that's a thing? And I was like,
00:48:47
Speaker
No, I don't because that's too tricky of a situation that's so individual to the skin type, the product. There's a million different types of exfoliation. I don't know why that would make sense in the first place to say that it was different in the summer than it is in the winter.
00:49:10
Speaker
No, I do understand why they say that. I do understand it, but I think that exfoliation is just too... There's too many variables at play to come out with as a blanketed statement, which I've been guilty of for sure. I've told people, you should market this in the winter and this is better in the summer and you can market it that way and whatever.
00:49:30
Speaker
And again, that's kind of marketing and just me helping spouse to sell more product and it's their bottom line and success. But when she asked me that is when I finally was like, do I actually believe that that is a good idea as a blanketed statement to put out there
00:49:48
Speaker
in the world of skincare education. No, I don't. Because there's too many variables. Exfoliation is already tricky. And so to then make it trickier, let's not. Let's not. Because you just don't know. Which I love. I love that you're like, we're aware of that. And we're able to ask yourself that. And thank you to Erin and everybody else who brings that kind of stuff up.
00:50:14
Speaker
because then it does help us think about it. Like actually, no, or yes, or whatever it may be. But yeah, so it's just awareness. I love that so much. Okay, where we at?
Cultural Influences on Skincare Routines
00:50:29
Speaker
Well, let's go to K-beauty if we can. Keep looking over at that one. K-beauty, Korean skincare, Korean beauty products. They're everywhere and they honestly look
00:50:44
Speaker
so beautiful. I was like, if you want to be inspired to watch your face, to wash your face, if you want to be inspired to have a skincare routine, if you need that inspiration in your life, just go to YouTube and start watching Korean beauty skincare routines. And you might just turn into a skincare junkie if you're not one already because it is like
00:51:04
Speaker
It's a lot, though. It's a lot. And that's why it's on this list. Okay, well, she can do 25 steps. I can do my six steps skincare routine. Exactly. But also they make it look so beautiful. And it's like ASMR mixed with a beautiful aesthetic and then this gorgeous Korean complexion and all of these yummy products.
00:51:23
Speaker
And it's just I can watch it for hours. I know, I know. But we've already said like, this is just not reality. It is not realistic. Now there are people that it is realistic for I do have yesterday I was working with my friend Holly and
00:51:43
Speaker
She is kind of like this. But for her, it's her self-care. So she does a bath, and she mixes her masks, and she does the whole thing. And this is her pouring into herself. And so I think this is another thing where it comes down to just getting to know someone.
00:52:00
Speaker
and you know kind of what their routines are what is the reality of this but for 95% of people Korean skincare beauty routines are not realistic so there's nothing wrong with them at all there's nothing wrong with a Korean skincare beauty routine and you know the concept of it is actually something that Eminence has started to emulate
00:52:20
Speaker
which is everything that you use prepares your skin for the next product to be better. That's where the concept of even an essence comes from. And so there are concepts within the Korean beauty skincare routine that we in the US have actually picked up on or Eminence in Europe picked up on that pretty quick. And so there's some great things that we've gotten out of it. But again, it's just like that's wild. Wild.
00:52:48
Speaker
Literally, that is like 20 steps skincare. No freaking thank you. Absolutely not. It's not just nighttime. We do that in the morning, too. I know. That was way too much. That's overwhelming. Nothing must be there. I don't know. It's fun to watch. It's not worth long hours, like Americans do or something. Yeah. Maybe that is their day job. I don't know. Yeah, we can actually thank the beauty for a lot of things. Essence is a big one. I would even feel safe to say Gua Sha is a big one.
00:53:18
Speaker
And so yeah, we can thank KB for this. And inspiration, seriously. Same with TikTok. I'm like, you were inspiring people to have a skincare routine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Great. Now I can just educate these people who are inspired. Thank you. Just got to twist it. Twist it a little bit. Yeah, totally. No wrinkle straws. Have you seen these? I'm Googling now. No, what? Open up real quick.
00:53:46
Speaker
Okay, what it is, is the concept. When you drink out of a straw or suck on anything, and I would probably feel even safe to say when you suck on a vape or a cigarette, you do the soaking motion and it creates the repetitive motion can create upper lip wrinkles. And so you see, or I see- Wait, they're still puckering. Just not as much.
00:54:13
Speaker
Hold up. Super effective. Okay. That's how do I feel about this? Oh wow. Jury's out. Yeah. For me. What the heck? I just think, you know, is it realistic? Are you going to pack your no wrinkle straw with you everywhere when you, you know, go through your stupid shop? Tiff. Tiff. Let's see. That's a Stanley. They make them for Stanleys.
00:54:46
Speaker
Okay. Jury's out for now. I don't know how I feel about this because, and I'm going to, okay, we're going to just side check for a second. So big Stanley girl, thanks to Tiffany, right? Because I was very anti Stanley and then Tiffany bought me a Stanley and now I'm a big Stanley girl. I don't need 10. My mom and my sisters collect and I think that's insane.
00:55:12
Speaker
So then I got one of the new hydro jugs because I'm traveling, like I'm always on the go, right? And so my friend Melissa gave me one for Christmas and it's amazing. You could just like toss it into your car. You don't have to worry about it, but it does, but I can't get the same amount of liquid out of the straw when I'm drinking out of my hydro jug that I can get out of my Stanley, if that makes sense. And so as soon as I saw the no wrinkle straw, I was like, I feel like my liquid
00:55:41
Speaker
might be a little more difficult for me to get out. I need big drinks at a time. I'm so stupid, but I don't know. Jury's out. I think that that's a cool concept. Whoever finally created that, that was really smart, but I don't know. I guess I would have to try one to see what that would be like, but I do think it's smart.
00:56:03
Speaker
You know, repeated facial movements are valid, but at the same time, did you know that lip wrinkles are mostly genetic? Yeah, I did know. So I'm not sure that even if with that straw you can completely avoid that. They're very genetic in my family, very thin lips and deep wrinkles in the lips, and that's why I started getting a little bit of filler and just keeping my lips nice and plump.
00:56:29
Speaker
to help with that. So I don't know. I don't know, Tev. I have no idea. I don't know. That's, yeah. I don't either. And I've always been, I've always been paranoid of lip wrinkles. So I always drink just like you are right now. Oh my gosh. Look, I didn't even notice. Look. Yeah. Off to the side. I don't go like this. No. Who does that? Anyways. I think a lot of you do. This is a bigger straw. I got my Stanley.
00:56:55
Speaker
So it's a little bit harder to do. You didn't even know you did it. I don't even pucker my lips when I drink out of a straw. Good. I don't need to try one of those weird looking straws. You're already being more proactive. That's so funny. That's not even conscious either. Yeah, that's subconsciously. Mine started out consciously. It's habit now, but I started out, I mean, probably 20 years ago.
00:57:19
Speaker
drinking out to the side because I've always been paranoid about my upper lip wrinkles or creating them. So I'm like, I can do everything I can to avoid that. That's so funny. I'm going to drink my drink off to the side out of straw. Wow. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. That was a nice surprise. Okay. Any foods skincare hack?
00:57:43
Speaker
Nope. That's a no for us. That's a no. No delivery system. No, like no. It's cute. It's fun to think about, but no, there's no delivery system. There's no, yeah, no. Yeah. I think that pretty much covers it. So when your client comes to you and says, I made, this is what we thought is concur with you was, but you know, I mixed up some avocado and added some lemon juice and I did my own do-it-yourself DIY at home mask.
00:58:13
Speaker
And as a professional, you can say, Oh, that's, you know, I bet that was so yummy. Educate them kindly on why, um, why food skincare does not have a delivery system and why, how your skincare products, how they deliver benefits, the nutrients and ingredients and vitamins and minerals and all the yummy actives in that skincare.
00:58:41
Speaker
how it delivers that into your client's skin and why that's beneficial versus just putting some up cuddle on their skin and give them limitation within your skincare line. This is really comparable, but it's also going to do XYZ, which is what you want. Absolutely. The topic that sunscreen gives you acne,
00:59:07
Speaker
Therefore sunscreen, you shouldn't use sunscreen if you're acne prone or breakout prone or probably even if you guys comes down to ingredients and what type of sunscreen or your client's skin. This is a pretty simple one. I feel like this is a blanket statement that is silly because whoever's saying this is just saying, Oh, all sunscreen gives you acne. Don't use it. It's not effective. And it's also, we know as skincare professionals,
00:59:34
Speaker
the importance of sunscreen and the importance of educating your clients on sunscreen, it really comes down to what you're recommending for your client's skin and what they need personally. Yeah. And hopefully the skincare line that you're working with has different options. I think with Eminence right now, we've got like five different options for people to choose from. And most skincare lines that I've worked with in the past have multiples. And so as long as you're educated and are working with a company that has a few different options,
01:00:00
Speaker
then I think you're fine. I just don't think that that is a blanketed statement that you could make. I couldn't agree more. Yeah. And it probably has, there's probably some more education that needs to go along with this. If your client is getting, feels like their acne is attributed to their sunscreen, look at their ingredients, look at what the type of sunscreen they're using, then do a little bit deeper dive. Are they washing their sunscreen off before they go to bed? Are they, um,
01:00:27
Speaker
you know, what are they doing else in their routine that could be contributing to you? Like what makeup are you putting on top of it? Makeup causes more congestion and more breakouts than sunscreen ever will. Like I'm sorry, but it is fact. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, smoothie dive. Yeah. That's what I feel like that's such a simple one. Yeah.
Trendy Skincare Practices: Risks and Alternatives
01:00:50
Speaker
Self tanner for face contour. Self tanner for face contour. Do you use tanner for face contour? No, absolutely not. I'm a little bit jury out on tanners for the face in general. I know you use them a little bit and I do play around with them. In fact, this morning I do, I did put a fresh two hour tan on that I'm going to rinse off this afternoon and I did put a layer on my face and let it sit for about 30 minutes.
01:01:17
Speaker
But you know, so this is skin type based because I get very clogged from self tanner. Like even if you look closely at my shoulders, the next day I have a lot of clogged pores and a lot on my, like actually my decollete area, I get a lot of clogged pores. And so for me, putting it on my face is not a good idea. Like it's not, I, I, not the type of person that could put the drops into like a face moisturizer, but I know a lot of people who can.
01:01:44
Speaker
And so I think that people who are more prone to clogged pores should really not use any face tanner on their face. And so that I think is just skin type based personally, but what do you think? I wholeheartedly agree and I'm the same. I do use a little bit on my face.
01:02:05
Speaker
only actually within the last six months because my skin type or my skin in general has changed a little bit. I'm less acne prone than I used to be so I can get away with it a little bit more. But same when I do a full body tan.
01:02:20
Speaker
I will always get some breakouts on my shoulder, on my upper back, on my lower back, anywhere where I think I have just more active oil and sweat glands. Also, I have not found a self-tanner line. I just don't think in general self-tanner is acne safe. And I've yet to find one that is. And I think it really comes down to the self-tanning ingredients itself.
01:02:47
Speaker
And so that's a little bit controversial. I know I've had discussions with Erin about this because we both are partnered with the same sunless tanning line. And, you know, we talked about it and I just, I wholeheartedly feel if you're super acne prone and breakout prone, it's probably not a great option for you to put any type of self tanner on your skin. That's my personal professional opinion. You know, you can for sure. If you want to go for it. I don't think it's something that you,
01:03:17
Speaker
If you want to do, you shouldn't do. Obviously we all know if you're using self tan, it's such an easy way to have like an instant glow up overnight. I love self tan. I do too. I'm a big self tan girl. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a beautiful alternative to, you know, baking in the sun and tan your skin. So definitely skin type based. I'm going with caution.
01:03:40
Speaker
That's just what I would recommend. Yeah, there's more. I mean, what was I just going to say? I've experimented with so many different brands, and some of them clog me more than others. And so I've just had to learn which ones work best for my skin. And my favorite one that I just keep coming back to is Lovington.
01:04:04
Speaker
I haven't tried that. I'm obsessed with it. I am obsessed with it. It doesn't clog me. It doesn't smell. It's so easy to apply. The color stays like it sticks to me really well. And I think that the ingredients are fairly good or at least my skin has responded beautifully to it. It's worth the investment for me because it is a little bit more pricey. But I do think you kind of have to play around if you are a self tanner person.
01:04:30
Speaker
Just play around with a few different brands and just keep trying until you find one that really works for you. But your face responds differently than the rest of your body no matter what. Like I can do it on my body. I know which one's clogged me more than others, but I just can't imagine putting it on my face and leaving it on my face. So what I've done, like I said, I'll put it on and I'll just let it sit for like maybe 20 to 30 minutes and then I just remove it.
01:04:57
Speaker
Do you wash it off with like the cleanser or you just like wipe it away? Um, what I did this morning is my little microfiber round and I just gently like removed, you know, that layer. And, and that works for me really, really well. Yeah. And then I move forward with my other, you know, skincare routine or, you know, tinted moisturizers after that. Okay. I like that. What is it called? Loving tan.
01:05:24
Speaker
It's so good. I'm the queen of self tan you guys. I've really tried everything because I will have skin cancer in my lifetime. I suffer from a lot of pre
01:05:38
Speaker
I have a lot of scars all over my body from it. And so I jumped on that train a long time ago and I really play around with it, especially too, because I work out every day. And so I really need one that like sticks. It's not just like always wiping off or, you know, looking funky and I cannot stand the smell of tan. And so this is the one I have landed on. I've been using it for years. I still will like try ordering other ones, especially if they're more cost effective, if they're cheaper, but
01:06:07
Speaker
No, I always go back to it. It's worth the investment. So if you haven't tried it, definitely try it. I always get the platinum dark because I can do a really light layer of that. And then this one that you see right now, this is their two hour. Oh, it's rubbing. Yeah. So it's awesome. Cool. Okay. All right. Face ice baths.
01:06:34
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It's really just cold rolling in an extreme way. Exactly. Yeah. I don't think there's much to say about it. If you want to give your face an ice bath and go for it, I think it will probably really help to contour and depuff. And it's going to do everything that you want it to do. But you could also just use a cold roller if you want to do. You know what I mean? So either way. It might not need to be that extreme. It's too fancy. Yeah. There are benefits to ice bath in general. Totally.
01:07:04
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Um, but yeah, cold rolling is great. Um, face milk baths. This is, yeah, I haven't seen a lot of this. I've seen some of it. You know, it's the concept of dipping your face into a bowl of milk. And then I think essentially seeping that milk on, maybe patting it dry and then doing the rest of your skincare routine.
01:07:25
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If I had to guess, it's really about the lactic acid within the milk and probably the cold of the milk to contour and depuff and like you just said, kind of silly. Seems really sticky. I don't like milk, so I don't want to put it on my face or smell it. Yeah, I just think there's so many more effective things that you could do with your time and your energy.
01:07:49
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I agree. And I'd have to look into it a little bit more, but I think that you're probably right on the money with what that one is all about. And I just don't even think I would ever even consider doing that or telling anybody else that they should consider it. You're probably fine without milk baths on your face. I wonder if this is related to KBB though, now that I think about it. Yeah. I think it's a Korean skincare hack.
01:08:14
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Yeah, let's get, I mean, let's, yeah. Let's not recommend that. Let's not know. Off the table. Purging, skin purging. I know you have a lot to say about that. I do, and I'll try to be quick because I know that we need to wrap this up, but I just do not believe that that's much of a thing. I really don't. I think that if you're using a skincare product that you, that's like making you break out and causing inflammation,
01:08:42
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it's inflammation and it's usually an adjustment. It's usually just, you know what, you're starting to use some more active ingredients and active products. And so your skin is having an adjustment period to that. And that is manifesting as some inflammation. Guess what? Breakouts are inflammation. So that could be just something that you're experiencing. I think purging, it makes, so the way that people, the way that estheticians talk about purging, it's one of my, I don't want to call it a pet peeve. Like I love you guys, but what you're saying,
01:09:11
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when you say that is that if you were to look at a cross section of the skin that you have acne waiting to come out that's like hanging out under the skin and then you started using a particular product and it made it all come to the surface like that's literally how estheticians verbalize this to people and i'm like what.
01:09:30
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No, that's not a thing. You don't have acne hiding underneath of the skin just waiting to come out. No, this is an inflammatory response that can manifest as breakouts and it happens all the time.
01:09:45
Speaker
for different reasons and it usually is somebody who is switching products or we switched to using a more active product and our skin is going to have an adjustment to that. Now, I usually tell people, now what I love about Eminence especially is that we don't experience that as much as I have with other skincare lines in the past because your body works pretty well with our natural ingredients and formulations.
01:10:10
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I'll say maybe with deep, deep, deep chemical peels, you could see some interesting purging from that. And I know that most people go through a purging process when switching to a retinol, especially if it's not something that you've used before. But again, that's more of an inflammatory reaction.
01:10:29
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And I'll tell people what I was going to say is I usually tell people if they are experiencing that, I'm like, you know what? If you want to stick with it and just give it a good 10 days maybe, I don't know. That timing is variable. But I'm like, if you want to stick with it, you are welcome to do that. And if you don't,
01:10:52
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don't. I don't stick with it. As soon as I start to break out from something, I'm like clearly my skin's not loving this and I don't think it's worth it to me to continue down this train when there's just other things that I could try. So I think it's in the way that we describe purging. Purging is literally saying that you have acne like hiding underneath of your skin waiting to come out and that's just not necessarily true. Maybe for some people and some skin types, but for most people,
01:11:21
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That is not the case. This is an adjustment period. This is inflammation. This is your skin adjusting to very active ingredients and we can choose to stay on that train and move through that and hope that on the other side it's going to get better and it often does or not.
01:11:40
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Yeah. So it's more in the way that we're describing it to people because to say like, your skin is always going to get worse before it gets better, it's not necessarily true. It just isn't. I mean, I'm sorry, but I don't, I think sometimes that can be the case, but that is a blanketed statement that is just, you cannot possibly be true.
01:12:03
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Yeah. And I also feel that when we tell our clients that we're setting them up to look for the worst. Oh, that's a great point. Do not because I have run into that before where I had a girl and she was newer. She was just getting into the industry and she was like, I always let my clients know that there's potential for this to happen. And I was like, no, don't do that because
01:12:28
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like Tiffany Sager, then they're going to be looking for it or thinking, or it's going to turn them off. If somebody told me that, I'd be like, and then I'm fine saving 60 bucks because I don't want that. You know what I mean? There's literally no reason to say something like that unless it's a retinol, then yes, you actually do need to say that.
01:12:49
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If it isn't, then there's no reason because you don't know what's going to happen. You really don't know if it's going to happen or if it's not. So don't set them up for any expectation like that. Yeah. Just keep it like an open door for them to come to you, check in with them, do a check-in. Yeah. You want that door to stay open, but not necessarily to plant those negative seeds because they will find them, whether it's related to the product or not. They're going to find them. I love that.
01:13:19
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Yeah. So smart. The last, okay, I'm just going to touch on collagen supplements for two seconds. Okay. I just want everybody to know that with collagen supplements, your internal organs are going to take that collagen before your skin is going to. So it doesn't mean that there's not some benefit. And I will say liquid collagen is always going to be better. Okay. And
01:13:48
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Our skin is type one and type three. So when your clients come to you and they say, I am taking a college and supplement, amazing. Go for it. Please keep like, please stay on that train. Cause it's amazing for your gut health. It's amazing for your internal health. Like don't stop doing that. But.
01:14:06
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But be wary of the collagen supplements. I think there's amazing ones out there now. You and Christa at Elevate have given me that new one when I was there in December. And that one is formulated specifically for that reason. I've gotten some other places that are more specifically formulated. They're very liquidy. They've got all the right types of collagen.
01:14:30
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But it's kind of a blanketed thing. You're not probably going to want to jump on Amazon or your clients and order a collagen supplement like powder or whatever and think that all of a sudden your skin is going to be glowing and healthy and incredible because that's just not really internally how it works. So you have to just look at the brand, how it's formulated. Is this a powder? Is it a pill?
01:14:52
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and then kind of go from there. So just look into that a little bit more so that when your clients do come to you asking you those questions, you're going to actually have some answers for them, but encourage them to take collagen regardless. Like if they're doing it, don't be like, oh no, that's not going to help your skin. Just be like, yeah. And you know, go home and look at it and see if it's type one and type three. And just so you know, liquids are going to be better, but don't stop taking the one you're taking now because it's super good internally.
01:15:18
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Yeah. And of course, when our internal health is at its best, it's going to reflect in our skin. So we love that. Um, such a good point though, is to just do your research on it. So when your clients come to you, cause if they haven't already, they will. Collagen is huge and so beneficial. So you know how to, um, how to steer that conversation. So fine. Such a good conversation.
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01:15:52
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I have a greater understanding. I feel the same. That's cool. Yeah, I feel the same. So that was super fun. We are so glad that you guys joined us. And we would love any feedback or anything about these that we missed. Or if you're like, no, actually, this is kind of what they're talking about. So any feedback whatsoever, we have an email address. It is beyondaestheticspodcast.com. Aesthetics is just with an E. So always send us some feedback or DMS.
01:16:12
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Thank you for all of that. I love it.
01:16:21
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01:17:12
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