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The WHOLE Story of Lorena Bobbitt
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Lisa is telling us the whole story, or Lorena & John Bobbitt. This crime and following court cases divided the United States, but years later is still spoken about - most people know about Lorena Bobbitt and what she did to her husband; however, very few, including both of us knew what drove her to that decision.
Trigger Warnings - domestic abuse, forced sexual situations
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Transcript
Introduction and Surviving Tornadoes
00:00:00
Speaker
Well good day to you lovely listeners Thanks for tuning in to another episode of twist to tells with faith and Lisa and we're glad you're here We are glad you're here and surprise like I'm gonna be honest with you Lisa's last episode. I was like I Think I started out saying you can't do Willie picked it in and in one episode and you were like, well, I'm going to But you know
00:00:28
Speaker
I also thought everyone had heard of him, uh, and then, you know, then find a little refresher with our twist up. There were a lot of people that hadn't heard of the disgusting, snowy, willy victim. Yeah, dude, he was gross. I was shocked. Yeah. But anyway. Just in case anybody was worried, we all survived the tornado here in Knoxville. We are back with attitude.
00:00:52
Speaker
I had to seek shelter, me and my son. Which, Lisa, let me tell you, okay, let's rewind because I want everyone to know how intelligent the person is you're about to listen to.
Back-to-School Traditions and Tornado Warnings
00:01:06
Speaker
My turn. So it's the day before school starts and my daughter, since she started kindergarten, we have a tradition where
00:01:14
Speaker
i take off work and we do whatever she wants that day yep i'm thinking the zoo the aquarium no starting in kindergarten mani pedi and facials yep diva yeah oh yeah i've got a high maintenance one so anyway so we'd already got our manis and our pedis we've gone to her old daycare so she could see her old teachers and we were headed to the mall and it was like monsooning and of course lisa calls me and i'm running so i answered i'm like call you back in a minute get inside the mall call her back
00:01:43
Speaker
And she's like, hey, did you know there's a tornado watch? Because her family cares about those things. Like, no, no, I'll tell you, like, legit, middle of the night, her dad has called my husband multiple times because his little weather radio has gone off. And Frankie and I are both like, what are you doing? Like, we just let you know. The only thing is there's a tornado watch. And I was like, there's always a tornado watch. I'm walking into the mall. It's a big, it's a big
00:02:12
Speaker
brick and mortar like block store. I'm gonna be fine. Nothing's gonna happen. We're good.
Humorous Tornado Shelter Stories
00:02:17
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Nate, we get in the first store and I'm texting my mom as she texts me back and says, tornado just hit your brother's house and took off like the whole front of the house. All the kids were inside. So I'm like, oh my gosh. And where my brother lives, I know Lisa was heading back home that way. So I'm like, well, she was in the car with Caleb. So I'm calling her, she's going straight to voicemail, calling her, going straight to voicemail. And I'm legitimately,
00:02:39
Speaker
mildly concerned at this point. I'm not, you know, like panicked or anything. My daughter is full fledged, like sobbing in the mall to Third Ed. So Lisa finally calls me back and she's like, oh my gosh, it was horrible, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, lots of unnecessary details. And she's like, I had to pull over and take shelter with Kay. And I'm like, oh my gosh, where were you at?
00:03:06
Speaker
And she was like, oh, I was on Cedar Bluff. So I went to a liquor store, ladies and gentlemen, to save her and her son from a tornado. She went into a building that the whole front is glass, and it's filled with glass containers. Like, that's all that's in there. There's nothing else. There's shelves I'm pretty sure. So it's a metal and glass filled store. Like, it just, and I said, Lisa,
00:03:37
Speaker
That wasn't the best place to go. Look, guys, I've gotta defend myself. No, there's no defense. We're going down the road.
00:03:46
Speaker
There's like 52 hotels on that stretch. It literally went from it's raining to there was debris whacking the side of my car. So let's go into the store filled with glass containers. I've got my kid in the backseat screaming. My car is moving back and forth and I pull off because here's the deal.
00:04:11
Speaker
It was either keep trying to drive through that particular area, which you know that that four-way stop at that park side. It's a ton. There's four lanes each way. Yeah.
00:04:22
Speaker
There was no defeating traffic right there. And people were stupid. But a liquor store? We did. We pulled off into mixed crudges. So shout out to you guys for letting us come and shelter. They didn't want to die alone. History loves company. All the power went out. But they put us in their safe room. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because they have safe rooms down here where tornadoes could possibly happen.
00:04:44
Speaker
She still sought refuge from the tornado in a building filled with glass bottles. At least your cuts would have been disinfected. I was going to say, no, because I mean, it had crap actually hit the fan. It did hit the fan. I could have totally just popped open a liquor bottle and been like, well guys, see you on the other side. With your kids standing there crying. Yeah, holding them while I'm getting shmambered. Yeah. Anyway. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Family Reflections and Tornado Impact
00:05:10
Speaker
But we made it. You're the worst. I actually wouldn't have even remembered to bring it up because I'm so tired but you brought out the tornado and then I remembered you went into a room filled with glass. Yes I did. To bunker down from the tornado. Not only that but I was also cool enough to remember my pack of cigarettes but not myself. She has her priorities in order ladies and gentlemen. Yes I did. Get to where the booze is.
00:05:37
Speaker
Screw the kid. No phone for, you know, contacting. The kid was with me. It would have only been better if you left Caleb into the car when you ran inside and had to go back and get him. That would have made the story the best. No, I'm not going to abandon my child. She would ever tell me because I would tell everyone. I'm not one of those parents that need a commercial reminding me to put something important in the backseat so that I don't forget my kid. That's not me. I'm sorry. No, well, my Bella told me the other day we were talking and I said, well, you do that.
00:06:06
Speaker
I remember one of the lawyers, I was like, well, you do that really well. And she goes, yeah, kind of like how you forget everything. And I was like, what? And she's like, well, that's what you do all the time. You forget everything. That's what you do good. And I'm like, that's not exhausting. Thanks. Thanks, kid. So the people that could call you out the bestest are the ones that you hang out with the mostest. Anyway, oh my gosh, I haven't heard a lot of true crime news, honestly, but
00:06:33
Speaker
Honestly, all we've been seeing is all the weather I was gonna say a lot of it's just been like we got hammered Multiple days in a row like there was only the one Tornado that touchdown, but then it was just right after rain and trees coming down and yeah storm winds and all that good stuff, but
00:06:53
Speaker
And you know school started the next day. And then it flooded the day after. It's been up. It was great. Thank you East Tennessee. Let's just increase that volume level. My school actually put out a thing that was like, hey, you know, if your kids have issues with what happened on Sunday, you know, they're scared or concerned because it was the Monday after school started. Yeah.
00:07:16
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He said Sunday. Yeah, because all that crap went down on Sunday. No, it was Monday. I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot I took the day off. You can see where my head is at. Shut up. Don't shake your head. Don't. No. No. He's shaking his head along with me. Shut up. I hate you. Yeah, she was concerned about being rude earlier.
00:07:35
Speaker
I told you I have to give him the little samples of niceness, or he'll leave me. But, yeah, my school actually sent out an email saying, hey, if your kids were distressed by it, like, let us know, we're pool men, because, like, it was literally storms the rest of that week. Yeah. Anyway. It's a good time. It's a good thing they reach out to talk to parents about some things there. Well, let's not get into that. I'm gonna sit back.
00:08:01
Speaker
relax and wait for Lisa to make, grammatical and pronunciation errors and call her out on it, so. Awesome. Sounds great. Enjoy me. I would have the drinking game where they drink every time you make a mistake, but I don't think we have, we can't pay for that many claims of alcohol intoxication. Interesting. Poisoning, if you will.
00:08:24
Speaker
I'm going to make sure that I play that game. You started that game. And I buttered everything up. So. Yeah. There's so many episodes ever since. All right. Go around. All right. All right. Faith. It's going to be a hard one for me to get through. All right. So I'm just going to tell you to go ahead and put your seatbelt on. Can't be worse than last week's or my last one. Your last one. Yeah. The last one that I
00:08:54
Speaker
pottington monster oh yeah well mine's a lot different all right so this
Introduction to the Lorena Bobbitt Case
00:09:06
Speaker
Interesting crime that occurred happened back in the 90s. Oh, I love the 90s. Yep You know how I feel about the night. I'm actually gonna dish the name out like first and Ask you your opinion here in a minute. Well, I know him so I this is a case that divided a nation between men and women
00:09:30
Speaker
Hell fails, everything divides this nation of America. Dude, touche. Like legit, did you? But this was the 90s. Yeah, but we were also a nation divided about what color a dress was. Gold and blue, which it was, are pink and whatever. You remember that crap? I do. And I actually think that anybody that said that it was a different color was lying in their sociopaths. A hundred percent. Our color blind. Because I can't be wrong. It was gold and blue. Or blue and whatever. It was blue and something.
00:09:59
Speaker
I think it was just, like, gold. No, it was two colors. I don't remember. I don't remember that much. I don't either. But that is all it takes to divide our nation, people. 90s was a little different. I love the 90s. All right, so are you ready for this name? I am so ready. It better be nostalgic for me or I'm punching you. You are so absolutely going to have to keep me at bay tonight while I'm telling this story. Lisa, nothing keeps you at bay. And you're going to have to be like, Lisa, that's inappropriate.
00:10:27
Speaker
Uh, Alisa, I don't have the time this week to edit that much of you out. Just keep me, keep me, keep me on the straight and narrow. Right? That's what accountability partners are for, babe. You've been stuck with me long enough. Or you're like, I deserve a medal. This is the name, Lorena Bobbitt. Oh, yes! Lorena Bell. Do you know I've never actually heard this story in its entirety? I just know what she did. Yeah.
00:10:50
Speaker
I do not know. I know what she did. Any of our newer listeners, anybody who's born in the 2000s, may or may not have heard. But to this day, when you look at somebody, I will rain a blob at your ass. We all know what that means. See, you guys, when I started hanging out with you guys 20 years ago, because good lord, it's been 20 years.
00:11:16
Speaker
You said like your brother, one of them, I remember which one it was at the time did something to me that like offended me or like it was, you know, and you said, she's gonna Lorraine a Bob at you. And I did not know what that meant. And I had to go look it up. Yep.
00:11:31
Speaker
And number one, just Google searching Lorena Bobbitt, spelling that with my alphabetical senses was not great. But I still don't know the whole gist of why she Bobbitted. OK, so do you have any ideas at all? I'm assuming it's some cheating that happened, but I honestly do not know. Here's the thing, though. That was a lot of people. That's even what I thought was that she did it because she found out her husband was cheating. And so she lopped off his weaker.
00:12:01
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all right yeah it's a wide monster all right so I actually I was actually sitting with Ryan researching this and like reading it he looked over me there's a lot of reasons why you know you should give him like little treats to not leave you researching that in front of him is never appropriate
00:12:22
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oh hey guys they also she also is all up in arms because the gas station clerk smiled at Brian and she was flirting and now she's right research and learning about it no no Brian I will buy you a metal cup anyways so
00:12:41
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When I was researching it with him, he looked at me and he was like, you know, I really had never, like you said, never heard this story in the entirety. No, you just hear about, she cut his dick off. Yeah. Yeah, she did that. Oh, Lord. This episode is going down. This is not funny. All right, here's the deal, guys. Number one, if you've ever listened to an episode before, you know how we are. So let's all get over it now. Number two.
00:13:12
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I do not like, there are certain crime stories involving children, A, are involving, you know, elderly, any kind of horrific life. Anything that pushes the line of true evil. Like, yes. But even in those situations,
00:13:35
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I feel like humor is to be had. Yeah. Cause now, let's use... Codding him was absolutely mentally destroying for me. That was a horrible story. Oh yeah. It made this more than willing to cry about things that really get to her. But the fact that he was like the only one in the room blindfolded them and he was like trying to pretend like he was a 16 year old boy. Yeah. That was funny.
00:13:59
Speaker
To me, there's always gonna be some type of humor. It's never gonna be, you know, the victim. A lot of times she was like, how they got caught. Yeah. Really? Or how dumb the cops were. Like, you didn't see that? Yeah. That's why we do two crime memes. So all of us listening are not gonna be offended. If you're easily offended, you obviously, this is your first time here. Thank you so much for coming. We enjoyed you coming. This is not the place for you, because Lisa can't breathe without offending people.
00:14:28
Speaker
yeah and i agree just to like try to i'll put your hammer in a point like something that was mean you didn't listen you don't listen you don't listen to when i talk not correct but if you're easily offended this is just really not the place for you because we don't care that much um love you mean it bye so anyways continue on all right we will be making fun of i'm sure multiple things in this episode it's its possibility and more more or less
00:14:57
Speaker
Oh my god I do. It makes me happy. I have two reactions to awkwardness. I either laugh my tail off or I'm dead ass silent. There's no in between. I thought about you this weekend and we watched Forgetting Sarah Marshall and that movie is one awkward moment after another.
00:15:17
Speaker
And I love that movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and I was like there are certain parts I was like just tell me on this part so if I can't even look I can't even look it's awful. It's awful. That's what that's my favorite. I know Yeah, you know watch the other Jenny on that you gotta you gotta humble the other Jenny. Oh my gosh It is the most awkward. It's got David Spade. It's hysterical. It's got more. That's the wrong Missy. That's what is the wrong Missy. Oh
00:15:45
Speaker
that movie is one awkward like i i've almost i pissed myself oh my god i never i don't care what anyone says i love david spade but that movie is too awkward yeah it's just dry humor anyways we should probably talk about the story continue all right so we're in a ball that came from venezuela to america at 18 years old
Lorena's Immigration and Relationship Beginnings
00:16:10
Speaker
And she was one of those girls that like, you know, you see it on TV all the time. America just looks amazing and all this and that. And she kind of grew up in a poor, poor area. So when she came to America, she absolutely loved everything about it.
00:16:30
Speaker
All right, she got a visa. Newbie. Started going to school. Newbie. God, you're a rookie. It's the 90s though. America was great in the 90s. America was way more fun in the 90s. I wouldn't go back. Yeah, absolutely. Well, maybe not all of it. There was a lot of some shady shit going on in the 90s too. Always shady shit going on. Yeah, I was gonna say, gotta take the battle together, right? Right, right, right.
00:16:52
Speaker
Alright, so, um, she got a school visa. Okay. And she went to school to give them, like, the whole, like, nail salon where they were trying to make money. Okay. So, she winds up meeting John Bobbitt.
00:17:05
Speaker
uh in 1988 that there's a love connection oh my god they were so in love the crimp tear oh my god it was like a scene from a movie bright blue eyeshadow something from the star's face it was meant to be you don't like my abortion my my apportionations impersonations already all right this is great we're gonna have a great time tonight guys stay tuned
00:17:35
Speaker
Anywho, so, there's so much romance. I will too. I just meant there was love connection because her name is Lorena Bobbitt and his name is John Bobbitt and unless they're related like you and Brian, that, you know... No, no, no, no. Lorena is Bobbitt's... I know, I meant they got married, dum-dum. When you said she met John Bobbitt, I said I bet there was a love connection because the last name. Oh, okay. I thought you were talking like West Virginia shit like... No! No. This is not a West Virginia story. Yes. Where are we? You never said where we were.
00:18:06
Speaker
They're up north somewhere, aren't they? Virginia. It's just the eastern border, right? All right, anyways, how does she go from Venezuela to Virginia?
00:18:25
Speaker
I'm gonna be real. That was not the point of this podcast. Out of all the places you're gonna go when you move to America from another country, Virginia's not high up on what I thought would have been anyone's place. Well, I mean, you slip a coin and it's between New York and Virginia, but I don't think it works that way, right? I mean, any of the Boston, New York, yeah. Or whenever school took her, right? Yeah, I guess so.
00:18:55
Speaker
Alright, so... Because the South is not portrayed well in media and movies. No, especially not something with a very, very heavy accent. I think she was originally born in Ecuador. And if you're going for beautician school, that's not like, you know, the mawan of the United States of America. No. That's not the...
00:19:19
Speaker
I mean, you could wind up working at, like, great clips and not that that's a bad job. They didn't have great clips then. No, I was just... She'd have been working out of, out of, out of her... Yeah, I was gonna say something disparaging and I caught myself. Racist. No, it wasn't racist. No trash bags were involved. I can't handle you. I guess I'm just gonna keep reading. That's probably a good idea. I'll just keep talking. So, John was a marine.
00:19:44
Speaker
Okay. They met at this little club for Marines. Oh, the 90s had clubs. Your brother and I were talking about there's no clubs these days anymore. Oh, there are clubs. But you've got to go to like, it's just downtown. Yeah. It's clubs like the one we, that bar we went to in Louisiana that time at that wedding. In a single white trailer. Yeah, that was a great time. Okay. Nevermind. We're not going to reminisce right now. Okay. All right. So,
00:20:13
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yeah fell in love everything was great right John was such a great guy i mean he's a marine so he's got like you know he was such a sweet woman and they were just desperately loved and she married him at 19 so now here's where things kind of i'm gonna kind of go off
00:20:34
Speaker
topic for a second. Yeah, because we haven't done that yet. Yeah, no kidding. It's still on the topic. We haven't gotten on topic. I've got to go two different directions here to explain to you where I try to be quiet. Okay. Because on some accounts from John, he felt like he was being forced to marry her because she had graduated her business.
00:20:53
Speaker
So, and then according to her, she already had her visa and she was an American citizen. So, again, there's three sides to every story, yours, mine, and the truth. And the truth will never set them free.
00:21:08
Speaker
So I'll continue. I got the majority of the information from a Lifetime special and then actually a... Like a movie or like a documentary? It was a documentary. She was telling her side of the story. I thought you were like a Lifetime special like, you know, Christmas prints. And I was like, you know, those aren't factual. Those are just based off... No, this was a documentary. Okay, I'm back. But then I also listened to some other stuff.
00:21:38
Speaker
And one of them was the Court TV Podcast. I don't know if you ever listened to those, but they're pretty interesting, actually. I like it. Because they give you snippets from the actual court trial. So you've heard Court TV. It's basically the podcast version of Court TV. That's where I watched all the Johnny Depp Am or Heard. Do you know they're doing a docuseries on that? Oh, what a shocker. I know. I'll definitely stay not tuned into that. I loved all the memes during that, man. I lost so much sleep on TikTok during that trial.
00:22:07
Speaker
The memes were hilarious. Oh my gosh. The trial itself was so dumb. Yeah, I got a job right there. Sorry, continue. Back on topic. Back on topic. So they got married to each other. She was 19. Didn't really take a whole lot of time before
00:22:30
Speaker
frustration and bitterness started creeping their way into the marriage marriage is hard especially that first year anyway and when you're that young completely different cultures completely different cultures and I'm sorry but I think you know to be real like
Marriage Challenges and Allegations
00:22:47
Speaker
It has a lot to do with a lot of things that happen. I mean, we've talked about the cases and the crap that kids do to each other in high school. Yeah. They're just stupid. Like, they don't make ethical choices. They don't even really know what ethics is at that point unless it's driven so hard at home. Everything is off emotions and pure theories. Your feelings. Yeah. That's what your emotions are. No, I'm saying, like, it's like, oh, well, I felt like, and that's what all kids say. It's, well, I just felt angry.
00:23:16
Speaker
Yeah. I'm glad you feel that way, control it, right? So I tell Bella, motions are liars. We don't listen to them. No, they don't listen to me. Like our Auntie Lisa. Nope, not even a little bit. I... shh. Just put all that together, continue. You're being so sneaky. That talking out loud right next to you is really under the table there.
00:23:44
Speaker
Alright guys, I'm gonna try to get through the rest of this podcast. I don't think it's gonna go well. Alright, so anyways, we've got some animosity starting to build up, right? John starts drinking. Oh no. And plus the Marines stressful anyway. Oh yeah. So they're both young, different cultures, and he's got a job that lends itself to PTSD. We know this doesn't end well.
00:24:09
Speaker
again we have no idea what what really went on behind closed doors realistically nobody knows nope so according to lorena statements there was physical abuse early on um he was kind of a party boy and would get wrecked and then kind of just hurt like he would just turn into a huge douchebag by the time he got home they met at a club here's your sign here's your sign so you know who knows if they were drinking together at net
00:24:36
Speaker
nobody knows right yeah so one night they've gotten into it like pretty huge okay there were actually some police in the area kind of heard screaming that was occurring but now again this is according to her okay did nobody check police records right now this is a one-sided story okay all right so
00:25:00
Speaker
Cops like banging around the door, is everything okay? You know, we heard a discrepancy, the neighbors said they heard a discrepancy. They saw some things they didn't like, wanted us to stop in, just say, you know, make sure everything was good. John's like, I'm not, everything's fine. She was just having an anxiety attack. Everything's fine, right? So cops like, memory. Ignore that hand grip on her face. Yeah. Are you, ma'am, are you okay? Should her head no? Cops like, well, if you want to come with us, come with us.
00:25:29
Speaker
Yeah. So she did. She lied. Okay. Didn't see that coming. Continue. Yeah. So, for whatever reason, and why any woman does it, none of us will ever know.
00:25:44
Speaker
Of course she went back. She's 19 years old. She lives in a different country that she grew up with with no family and friends. She has a support system of other 19-year-old girls. Her support system is all her cosmetology friends. She's been here a year.
00:26:07
Speaker
Uh, he kind of started doing the whole crap, right? Supposedly. Same line, same BS that every male of you's are special. We have ever heard- You love bomb them, never gonna hit you again, so sorry. Stressed out, here's flowers, here's drinks. Yep. I love you, blah blah blah. Until I'm stressed and knock your teeth out again. Yeah. On page. Apparently.
00:26:31
Speaker
That's in the last fall, right? Never does. Never does. You start becoming territorial, suspicious of everything she was doing, and accusing her of, like, cheating behavior. They didn't even know, if she moved, okay, let's just do some math. We're gonna mathematize. She moved from Venezuela to the United States of America, Virginia, at 18. Went to cosmetology school.
00:26:57
Speaker
At 19, some point she meets him at a club and at 19 she gets married. It's not like that. I mean, obviously they don't have like a deep seated friendship or trust here. They met, they got married. You don't know each other. So no, he doesn't trust her. You met me in a club and married me. What are you going to do to the guy that pushes your card out from the Walmart? Right. At that point, Piggly Wiggly.
00:27:28
Speaker
I mean, logically... I don't disagree. And they're young and dumb. Continue. So... He basically, like, almost antagonized and would just start fights with her. Yeah. You know, making accusations. And again, this is her special. Her side of the story. This is not John's. Three sides to every story. And he'd basically, you know, start these fights and then end them with beating her around.
00:27:58
Speaker
Nice guy. And, much like a lot of women, we know she never left. So, one night, she told John she was pregnant. Now this is something I never heard. No, I didn't even know she wasn't born and raised in the United States!
00:28:21
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't either. I totally thought- I know she cut her husband's willy off. That's all I know of this lady. I just figured she was like a lunatic woman, right? And I'm serious, like the more I watch this, the more I was like that. And apparently it was also documented in a- You mean the things I heard online weren't 100% true? No, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Yeah, that's what I was just saying, we just heard part of a story that got passed, it was the telephone game.
00:28:47
Speaker
and uh yeah anyway continue so one night she told john that she was pregnant yeah and she thought it would be like a bridge you know like a new beginning like this is gonna solidify our family
00:29:02
Speaker
This is gonna fix our problems. We're not at all contemplating the fact we're fixing to drag an innocent life into this shit show. Nope, not even a little bit, right? It's gonna fix my problems. So, you know, all the plans that they had made before that one, that one blank, is they were, they were falling in love and they were gonna have a family and everything was gonna be great.
00:29:20
Speaker
Yeah. But when she told John that she was pregnant, he lost his mind. You know what? Girls are the ones nine times out of ten that have these, like, get married and start a family and all the guys, they just want to get married and have someone, you know, cook, clean and sleep with them. They're not thinking about babies to take care of. I mean, just logistically. Yeah. Well, some. Some do. I said nine times out, Tim. True story.
00:29:49
Speaker
so he apparently like lost his mind and was like we can't afford a kid we can't do this we can't do that and according to her she was really fronting the majority of the bills um but if he's a marine he gets paid oh yeah now not as much as when he's like you know overseas or wartime or whatever but mission paid eventually no idea where they were at no honestly yeah neither here nor there so
00:30:18
Speaker
He basically straight up told her, like, you need to have an abortion. And she's like, I don't want to do that. Like, I want this baby. And he said, well, you could have an abortion, or I'm leaving you. And now you're still looking at a younger girl. She's probably in her 20s. And, you know, Venezuelan type, or even, you know, where originally were families, a tight-knit thing. Well, not like that. More than likely, they're Catholic.
00:30:48
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they were Catholic. I was going to say more than likely because it's simple. They don't believe. No. In divorce or abortion or things any any of that. They got lots of kids. And so she wound up recording maybe. I didn't help the bitterness and resentfulness at all. I know not even a little bit and apparently again according to her
00:31:15
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he was sitting in the abortion clinic with her and like basically messing with her like oh they're not gonna put you under for this they're gonna shove this huge long needle and like why oh who knows according to the documentary they made him leave because they were upsetting her do you have his side to any of this? is he even alive? i don't know these things you're not gonna love anything that i say about him after the fact either okay continue but it is what it is so she avoids things okay
00:31:44
Speaker
Thanksgiving Day, 1990. They get into an argument over the TV. Her and her mother- Did she touch the remote? She should've known better. She should've known better. But she, um, she was cooking in the kitchen with her mother. As women do. Yep, and he was watching the football game. Shocker. And he had vet on the football game.
00:32:11
Speaker
and um she wanted to change the channel because her mom was visiting yeah okay and her mom was leaving soon and but she ought she like wanted to see the parade Macy's Day Parade it has to come on has to be on right everything's giving Macy's Day Parade then that big dog show then the guys can go watch football and I'm done because I'm napping she went and she was you know hey can you change the channel mom really wants to see the parade she's leaving tomorrow can we just watch
00:32:38
Speaker
Just a few minutes. Take half time. No, there was literally like five minutes. Okay. What if she got away to five minutes then? Probably, yeah. We're just kind of like a lot of, like, kind of the more I watched, the more I got into it. It's like... You're not helping the case. I'll get there. Okay. I'll get there. So, she...
00:33:03
Speaker
They get into an argument because he's pissed. He wants to watch their scene. He storms out of the room. Mature. So he left the precious football game. So she picked up the remote, changed the channel to the racist parade. He came back in a few minutes later. So why didn't you change the channel? Rip the remote out of her head. In his defense.
00:33:26
Speaker
How many Sundays did I come over here for Ravioli Sunday? And they put on football, which I hate all sports equally. And every single man in that room is passed out snoring and farting. And we changed the channel to SVU, and they all simultaneously, oh, I was watching that. Oh, yeah. No, you weren't. Liar. Lies. But in his defense, he was watching that. Yeah, I'm sure he was. I'm sure. Out of the room or not.
00:33:53
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sleep or not they were watching that they were totally watching it mm-hmm yeah so he rips her motor over hand changed him back okay they get into a further argument over right in front of her mom well mom didn't speak any English so they weren't literally talking in their native tongue
00:34:13
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which probably pissed him off even more. Yeah. Because he has no idea what they're saying, right? Probably just like, just keep it down, I don't care what you say. Yeah, yeah. So, he's like fine. I saw the problem. He broke the TV, didn't he? He didn't break the TV out, he went and ripped the cord out of the wall so that nobody could watch TV. Logical. Totally logical. Logical. Supposedly.
00:34:42
Speaker
Again, one sided. So. Which, you know, just on the opposite side of Lorena Bobbitt here. If her and her mom were cooking Thanksgiving meal and she's like, my mom was fixing to leave. Why are they cooking? If she, why do you cook at a whole Thanksgiving meal if your mom was about to leave? Don't you? That day they were having Thanksgiving together. But that's what I'm saying. She, yeah. It wasn't that, that, that emergent that they watched the parade right that moment. No, probably not. No. Anyway, continue.
00:35:12
Speaker
These are those, uh, hindsight 20-20 moments, right? Could've played that a lot better, buddy. Outside of looking in. Yeah. Whatever. So, Lorraine looks at her mom, speaks in her unhated tongue, she's like, let's go wherever. Lorraine goes from- DINNY! Nice, uh, American single dad meal after you burned the turkey. Tim Allen.
00:35:34
Speaker
There you go. So, way to go is for the keys. He snatches up both sets of keys. Takes off out of the house. Okay? Then they're separated. Problem solved. Apparently she goes after it. Smart. Alright. And I'm not gonna say that, I'm not gonna say this like, this is a stereotype. I get it.
00:36:03
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But every Latina woman I've ever met isn't known for her docile nature. I agree. AKA Sandals. Maybe she'll actually listen to this episode. Because I- Are you kidding me? She is completely composed.
00:36:20
Speaker
If her husband ripped the cord out of the wall, she'd have taken it and beaten him like a horse around the house. Probably. More than likely. Yeah. I have never known... Possibly may have choked him out with it. I have never known a Latin woman that doesn't roll that house with an iron fist and is very opinionated and very loud and doesn't, like, let things fly. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's... I agree. Could be people I hang out with, Lisa. Shut up. I'm not Latino. I am Italian.
00:36:48
Speaker
It's totally different. Yep, even in personality. Let's go. Okay. I hate you. Anyways, so we're in a chase bathroom, window's open, tries to grab the keys out of the ignition, shuts your hands into the window, like he continues to drive, I'm sure, grabs your arm, and takes off. It's true. This is over a TV show, guys.
00:37:18
Speaker
The Macy's Day Parade, while entertaining, is not that big of a deal. Yeah, or football. Not that big of a deal. No, I've broken your brother. He doesn't watch any football anymore. I feel like I should get some kind of humanitarian award from all women that I was able to do that. He doesn't listen to his podcast, so it's okay. He'll never know I said that. Actually, I said that to his Facebook followers. Fine, fine, fine. That's all I can spray. He always has a million problems. He doesn't care. True, true. So,
00:37:48
Speaker
He and her drove alongside each other. He drove, she ran. For a minute. Oh my god. No, no, she was, she was drugged. And then he just drove. Oh, he drove. She was drugged. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. And just let her go. Where she, I'm sure, probably went ass over tea kettle and felt pretty good about life, right?
00:38:10
Speaker
So, can you imagine being a neighbor? I wouldn't even have my TV turned on. I just have a bucket of popcorn, or, you know, my mom's stuffing patties, and I sit on the front porch and be, he pawing. Because it's Virginia. That's like Tennessee. It is some redneck sitting out there being like, hey, Betsy Sue, they're out of the gate. He's dragging her to the truck. Come look. Bring me a Budweiser on your way.
00:38:40
Speaker
You know that everyone in the neighborhood are on the street and all their relatives were on their front stoops being like, there they go! What? She's gonna swear to another language in a minute! Oh my gosh, the chaos. I feel better about spending time with your whole family now. Yeah, don't.
00:39:06
Speaker
Anywho, so she was, you know, wobbling back into the house. Mom's seen everything at this point. Full of dignity. Oh, I'm sure. Full pride. Oh my gosh. And, uh, you know, mom's like, when we help you get cleaned off, like, you know, be a mom, right? Yeah. And she's like, yeah, will you bring me the phone? She was going to call the Poco, right? The mom was? No. The daughter. Yeah.
00:39:36
Speaker
and mom convinced her not to. She basically was like, what just happened to the family matter. I was gonna say, but that is. And that's the way that, if that's, yeah, that's old school. That's old school, and you know, the police are different in other countries too, depending on what part of Venezuela. You might not trust the police to come into your house to take care of your business, especially a woman, because a woman is a servant. Back then, you. That was, it is what was, yeah.
00:40:02
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Yeah, it's not, it ain't no 2023, right? No. So, against her mother's advice, she called the cops anyway.
Escalating Marriage Tensions
00:40:12
Speaker
But, do you know what happened? No. Nothing. Perfect. So, what do you think happened after that? I'm not sure. I bet the abuse stopped. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, because it didn't. Because now he doesn't even have TV to distract himself. Correct.
00:40:31
Speaker
from her yammering. Oh my god Faith. He's got burnt chicken and rice and a yakety yakety wife. He doesn't even know if he won money or lost money but he's gonna take it out of her hide. I'm pretty sure he may have lost the money so that probably triggered him just a little bit more. But anyway
00:40:58
Speaker
like i said anyways before i continue down the road that i was on i want to state for the record that faith nor i think that the abuse of a woman is funny either way okay it's not it's not like that like we're literally laughing because it's so asinine it's like it's so dumb no yeah and hey my dad's got a friend and he was a little teeny tiny guy little guy
00:41:28
Speaker
and he had a very large and uncharged wife, and she, I'm sorry, it's not funny, she used to beat him with a frying pan, a cast iron frying pan, and she'd beat him, and I remember when I was little he'd come over like bleeding all bumped and bruised,
00:41:43
Speaker
And he'd be telling my dad, which my dad's the most, but she beat him with a frying pan all the time. Maybe that's our problem. Like, we don't actually know what empathy looks like. None of us were ever shown that is I have one emotion and it is not that no, but I have one feeling. The whole situation. It's stupid. It's like it's such little things.
00:42:08
Speaker
Okay, so I'm gonna throw this- Yeah, would you not condone domestic violence? No, not even a little domestic violence, especially- If you listen to any of our episodes, you know that. You know that. But like, do you remember the song that Eminem did with Rihanna? Monsters. Yep. Yep. And she's like, you know- The monsters. Yep. But it's talking about like, him abusing her.
00:42:29
Speaker
them abusing each other but then they just like get back together like even though it's toxic and then you know it's toxic and i promise i'll never do it again like that's literally like when i listen to that song this relationship is what i think the song is about at this point like my favorite my favorite absolute favorite show growing up
00:42:55
Speaker
was I Love Lucy. I will still watch I Love Lucy and I will laugh out loud till I cry. But how many episodes of I Love Lucy did she do something to get in trouble? And in front of their friends, Ricky would put her over his knee and spank her bottom. Because that was an appropriate punishment for a while.
00:43:15
Speaker
Yeah. And he was Latino. Yep. But do you know what I mean? No, I know. I know what was perfectly acceptable. It was acceptable. And I also know abuse abuse. Yeah, there's a difference. But again, I can't honestly say. But we also know, and I did say earlier, I started this out with we're offensive, but we never make fun of the victim. But again, we have stated this whole time, she cuts his dick off, guys. So she's not an innocent melting flower either. Yeah.
00:43:45
Speaker
If she, if that had never, and you know, if she was really abused, I Googled her when you went to use the bathroom for the 850th time a minute ago. And she started a whole foundation for domestic violence. So I guarantee she was probably knocked around. Oh, I'm sure she was. I don't condone that in any shape, fashion, or form.
00:44:04
Speaker
But I also think that there was a lot of other things that played into it. I do think there was. I think they were very young and very mature, which is why you should have premarital counseling and counseling the whole time when you're in your early years of marriage. It sucks. Well, it's not even that, but stop marrying somebody you've known for two months. Yeah. Like, come on, guys. Be real. Which does limit more credibility to his. She's about to lose her visa story to me, but...
00:44:28
Speaker
tomato tomato. Indeed. I know people that got married after knowing each other literally 30 days and they're still happily married 30 years ago. I'll say it once, I'll say it again. There's three sides to every story. Here's my other truth. You know it. Alright, so moving on. Yep. Thanks, uh, nope. I just totally missed my place. Alright, moving on.
00:44:45
Speaker
We're in 1991. They argue again over a TV. Are you fracking? Somebody buy them a second TV and a wire coat hanger to... Yeah, it's not like you get... well now there was no doodle back then. You could totally go spliced it though. But TVs were cheap and back then you you could get stuff with like the little antennas. You get all the normal like
00:45:10
Speaker
Yeah. Like the, you know, the, the local channels, usually those little antennas. Well, hold on. What do you mean? What do you mean? Frickin' crap! Can I continue? Yeah, but it's a frickin' TV, guys! So, she had to get up at 6 a.m., and it was 3 a.m., and he had the TV blaring, she couldn't sleep, blah, blah, blah, and asked him to turn off. He said, no.
00:45:41
Speaker
She walks into the room realizes he's watching porn Well, that's that's not something at all. Yeah, right. Oh, sweet Mary. So she got tell me she ripped the cable out of the wall She got livid. I hope she did she turned the TV off
00:45:56
Speaker
He didn't care for that. Like in spite. No, he did not care for that at all. I don't want him to finish it. He paid for that for him. And so, hold on. Here's the part where things are getting serious. Okay. All right? Not that it wasn't serious. Okay. Wow. I suck at this so bad. We know. We've all done this before. Anyways, followed her into the room where he threw her down to the ground and raped her, basically. Yeah. And again, according to her, that's how the events went down. Back then, you couldn't rape your wife, though. Mm-hmm.
00:46:27
Speaker
Could you back then? I know there's a point in America you couldn't. We'll skip over like some of the other stuff afterwards. I'll just go ahead and play it. Okay. During the court case, it wasn't considered rape because apparently at that time, the only way that a man could rape his wife is if they were not living together at the time, if they were separated, or if there was severe physical abuse. That's what I thought. Yeah. None of those were portrayed at this. He just had his way. Okay. So,
00:46:57
Speaker
She had to suffer through that. Little while went by after that, he kind of just took her shit, right? Took her green card and her passport. I thought you meant like her attitude. No, no. He took her stuff. No, he took her stuff. You gotcha. Yep. Took her green card, took her passport, she couldn't go anywhere. And then he just left for New York.
00:47:23
Speaker
Good riddance, right? That's one thing. Deuces. A year goes by. He shows up at the house that Lorena would stay and asks if he could talk to her. She's like, I don't have anything to say to you. He's like, just listen, okay? So again, being a woman who, I guess,
00:47:51
Speaker
feels like I don't know how women feel. Like I really don't. I don't understand. But something inside of her made her go outside. Brian is looking at you like you've got a hidden appendage. Brian, stop. I wish you could have seen his face when he said I don't know how women fake. Sorry, continue. No, I don't like in that regard. Yeah, got you. I yeah, no.
00:48:19
Speaker
But I can see, I mean, even when a relationship goes awful, there's a piece of you that fell in love with that person. It's just like when I did the Playboy Bunny curse, and that one, like, they were divorced, she was married to someone else, she was trying to just finalize with her first husband, and just kept saying, no, we're gonna remain friends, we're gonna remain friends, and he raped and killed her, awfully. Double murder suicide.
00:48:47
Speaker
Like women naturally think they're guilty, they're guilty. But she went out, she went on top of them. And he's like, look, I know that I've been gone for a year. I've had a lot of therapy. I've done all kinds of soul searching and I realized what I did. And I,
00:49:16
Speaker
I'm not going to drink anymore. Good. I hope your next wife appreciates the growth. Right? That's what I would say. I do. Not or war. You're hostile away, y'all. Anyway, so I'm going to quit drinking. I'm a changed man. He's so good to you.
00:49:44
Speaker
Just like you know, let's let's work this out. Let's work it out. We're still married. Yeah, they were still married. Yeah She said alright, but you have to make me a promise because his words are verbal totally, right? Yeah specify emotional physical right actually
00:50:08
Speaker
financially he said oh my i would never i would not you would you have i'll stop drinking i'll do all the things okay if you've done all this growth why are you still drinking when you know that you've got a problem with it and did all this therapy you've had in the past 365 days of growth did none of them say hey maybe you're an angry drunk and you tend to beat little women up yeah continue so six months after they got back together
00:50:37
Speaker
He started sleeping with other women and drinking beers again. They've been living single and apart for a year. They didn't have a great relationship. He's not going to just shackle him. He needs something. Whether it's someone to be his mommy and clean and cook and do his laundry or pay for his crap so he doesn't have to.
00:51:01
Speaker
Like the crazy part was he wasn't even like hiding Why come back
00:51:10
Speaker
Why, why, why did he come back? If he didn't want to be married, and he didn't want to be faithful, why come back? Okay, so, again. This is also the side of the story. This is, no. Oh. We're not even going there. Why would he go back? This woman has caused him so much trouble. Yeah. Okay. Because if you're a Marine and the police get called on you, it's not a little thing. In my mind, this goes against everything that he could say in his case.
00:51:39
Speaker
Yeah. Everything. So this woman's accused you of rape, beatings, all of a sudden, and you go back. Yeah. Okay. And give any kind of simple disturbance, you're in trouble. I'm not, you know, exactly in my sound mind. Right. He's not exactly in his sound mind either. Correct. So now I'm sitting here and I'm thinking neither one of them are like, you know, the brightest crayon in the box. This is a bucket of yuck waiting to tip over on somebody's head.
00:52:09
Speaker
But I don't understand why go back to a relationship when you don't want to be in the relationship. Narcissist. Somebody who can control her and knows he can control her. And so for somebody who's maybe a borderline psychopath. I think he just wanted a free ride. It's a possibility too. Again.
00:52:31
Speaker
Couldn't you three slides. This doesn't make logical sense. So the straw that broke the camel's back was when John told Lorena that his friend was going to move in with him with them in their home. Was it a girl or a guy? It was a dude.
00:52:48
Speaker
Okay. But he didn't talk to her about it at all. I would want a third party there to at least witness the atrocity. Walked into the house. Yeah. And said, he's living with us now. And also I'm gonna build a spare bedroom on your dad. Cool. All right. Hold on. His best friend. His. Yeah. His. Boy best friend. Wow. For us people, Rose.
00:53:18
Speaker
I can beat Scranton. I feel like, in her mind, that's just two more hands to beat her and God knows what else. Well, like any other woman would be like, um, no he's not. I thought we were working on our marriage. I thought we were making progress. You know, anything, right? You know he's gonna want to maybe watch different football than you do. So, shockingly enough, this caused another argument.
00:53:43
Speaker
Guys, you were free, you were separated. You were living your best lives. So, when you have two people arguing, and one person is fed up in your marriage, what is the most hurtful thing you can say to that person? I want a divorce. That's what she said.
00:54:17
Speaker
Except... He got pissed. Further leading pissed. Slammed her into a wall. He doesn't like her! Why did he care? I have no idea. Oh, Mr. Bobbitt.
00:54:32
Speaker
slammed her into a wall, said, I don't care if we're married, separated, or divorced, I won't always find you. And I can have my way with you. Go back to Venezuela. It's a beautiful country. Run. Yeah. Although she's doing quite well for herself now, so. Threatened. Yeah. Not only can I find you, but I can rape you if I want to. Yeah. Basically what he said, right?
00:55:01
Speaker
so scared she takes off runs to a friend told her what was going on friends like you know whatever you need to tell me tell me i'll do the best that i can to help you she told her friend you know i really wanted to divorce him but felt like she couldn't and her friend was like well
00:55:27
Speaker
Here's what you need to do. No, don't take it advice from people your own age that haven't lived life either. You're still early 20s, guys. The internet's not a
Abuse Documentation and Courtroom Revelations
00:55:38
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thing, really. You need to record the abuse. Let's put ourselves back in that environment. Yay. You know, so that went smoothly when he found the device.
00:55:49
Speaker
because they were super stealthy back then. Oh yeah. Okay. That was like a, a seven foot camcorder that you need like two tripods to hang up or a walk. Like, you know, we have to get like play and record. Sorry. I'm going to hide this in the blind. Funny, but we grew up in the nineties. All right. It is what it is. They had freaking like video cassette to them.
00:56:16
Speaker
This wasn't digital or even a DVD. This was a DHS in there my friends floppies were still active Dude I kept so many floppy disks and floppy disks what I met you guys because I was like I need this information Sorry Oh, you're killing me kid. All right So you found it broken
00:56:47
Speaker
And was like, you're gonna pay for this later, right? Truck away. But right now I'm gonna go drink. There's a game on somewhere. So she takes off. You think? She goes to the police. So like, you know, describe to us like what happened, right? I can show you the VHS tape with all the tape pulled out of it.
00:57:11
Speaker
She was actually discussing the rape that had happened prior. Oh, okay, that's not funny. And went for charges. So the cop is like, you guys don't know what happened. She's like, I'm uncomfortable with this. Right, yeah, that's what I do. She's like, you have somebody that barely speaks English. Yeah. Talking to a male cop. Yeah. Who's not taking you seriously. Yes. Okay, about spousal rape. And you were not as free with the ninnies and whatnot back in the 90s. It was still, you know,
00:57:43
Speaker
yeah why do you still have to stick up his ass but she goes through and explains you know what happened beating and the rape and he said okay uh well i need you to come back and i need you to explain uh
00:58:03
Speaker
to the judge and some other people what just happened i don't really feel comfortable with that not only that but i can't come back today like i've got a job to do like i have to go to work now why does she have to go tell the judge honestly that was the whole part where i was just kind of like i don't want to write anymore about this because this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard okay so again everything kind of skips forward after that and they start talking about
00:58:32
Speaker
the trial. Okay. All right. So now we're going to get into this. January 1994, Reina Bobbitt took the stand. Now, I would like to mention that Reina... So they pressed charges against it. They did. That's what I was about to tell you. So Reina got charged with what happened. Oh, so this boy, she's done the deed. She's done the deed. Gotcha. So we're skipping forward a minute. Okay.
00:58:59
Speaker
um but he was also charged and let me see uh she was charged with malicious oh my god hold on uh i'm so sorry if you would just not make noise it would cut this whole section out sorry but no you got to keep mumbling and muttering trying to pronounce things and i'm gonna have to edit
00:59:30
Speaker
or not. Alright, you know what? We'll just keep going with where I'm at. So we're January 1994. Yep. We're in a ball that takes a stand. Takes a stand. And she starts to tell the world her side of the story. Good for her. But at this point, John had already stood trial and found innocent. What? Of the abuse that he
00:59:58
Speaker
Inflicted upon her? Inflicted upon Lorena. Bull. And so, Lorena actually had the opportunity to stay on trial and speak about it. According to the documentary, she didn't really want to, but did. Well, no one wants to tell the whole point you went through. Yeah, it's embarrassing. Yeah, in a nutshell. So, she claimed
01:00:26
Speaker
John came home drunk again, came into their bedroom where she was asleep, and forced himself on her yet again.
The Infamous Act and Legal Outcomes
01:00:34
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He raped her, he turned over, and he went to sleep. Installed to injury. She got up, went to the kitchen for a drink of water, and laying on the counter was a carbon knife, right? Yep. And so, like, when I kind of
01:00:57
Speaker
except they're watching this part of the episode of the week. I couldn't imagine standing there at that moment, like, if that actually happened to her. Like, if that was real life, after everything that she had already suffered through, I couldn't imagine what was going through her head at that moment. Well, at this point, how many times has she been raped by him? And has she gone to the police and been basically told
01:01:26
Speaker
You married him, so it's not right. Yeah, it's not right. So how many times is she gonna let that continue to hurt her and traumatize her before she's like, I got a fix? She said that the only light that was in the room at the time was the light from the refrigerator. Yeah. And that she just sort of kind of started reliving all of it. Oh yeah, it just happened.
01:01:57
Speaker
after being raped emotionally, anally, which came out in the trial, vaginally, mentally, God knows what was going through her mind, right? And that's my take on it. If it was me in that circumstance, okay, yeah, I'd probably wanna be a little vengeful. Especially if it's true, and she really did go to the cops,
01:02:27
Speaker
What other options did she have? None. No one took her seriously. No one helped her. That's what I'm saying. If this is all like actuality. There had to be some basis in it for them to charge him. I mean, sure they found him innocent, but back then again, you couldn't rape your wife. So the rape charges didn't stand and smacking your wife around a little is just keeping your house in order. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. So they're not going to find him guilty of anything like,
01:02:58
Speaker
She didn't, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I feel bad about thinking she was the villain this whole time and making fun of her now, continue. Right, so, she's a knife, picks it up, walks into the bedroom.
01:03:16
Speaker
and maybe she didn't even have the intention at that point to actually physically maim him she just thought if he comes at me again i can protect myself and then she got angry when she saw him you know i honestly i think that she had the intention of maiming okay so trying to help her here pull the sheet back cut off his penis whack now
01:03:43
Speaker
we both were laughing and smiling at that and Brian is horrified so at that point like I don't know like okay for real okay
01:04:03
Speaker
I know you can't walk in her shoes. Yeah. But kinda like put yourself in her shoes, you know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't fault her at this moment. So in one hand, you have a knife, and in the other hand, you have a dick. That has violated you multiple times. And he's bleeding out. And she's just, you know, like what do you do? What do you do? Shove it in the mouth. Oh my god! Wow! Whoa! I'm just saying.
01:04:30
Speaker
Oh my, okay. If you can't rape your spouse, I'm gonna show you what... If she's been told multiple times, it's not rape against your spouse. I feel like... I'm gonna put this in your... I'm gonna show you what it feels like, sir. Hold still. Bend over and cough. You're in a sick...
01:04:58
Speaker
You're not going to keep it for a trophy. If he's going to use it against me, I'm going to use it against him. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Oh my god. I thought that's where your mind was too. I'll edit that out. Trash bag all over again. I can't. I'm not going to hold on.
01:05:25
Speaker
I thought that's where you were going. I was going more toward like storyline, but now I'm sitting here kind of thinking, yeah, I'm probably watching you. Yes! Here's your fucking nude article. Click! Smartphones didn't exist back then. This is why your brother doesn't watch football. He's afraid of me.
01:05:54
Speaker
Oh my god, okay. Anyways, I was thinking more along the lines of, you know, do you just, like, sit there? Or do you run? Oh, she ran. Got into the car, knife and dick in it. She broke. Why take it with you? You didn't like it. She threw it out the window.
01:06:16
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Hey, he dropped her old dog along the car. Maybe she hung it out the window and dropped it where he dropped her that Thanksgiving day. Go, Lorena, go. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. All those views we had are gone. They're gone. That was amazing.
01:06:40
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01:07:09
Speaker
So throws his appendage out the window. She's mad about something. So she threw it out the window. Now gone from him and her.
01:07:36
Speaker
Gather yourself Lisa. I'm gathered. It's just I'm kind of getting to this like You know how people say it's a man's world. Yeah, okay this right here Proves that it's a man's world. Well, you okay. No, no, you can't say anything like that without every man in the world the broom sit I
01:07:59
Speaker
Heck, Brian was wincing over there and has his legs crossed so tight you couldn't probably fit a piece of paper between his knees. All right, babe. No Mean wants to hear about the bobbit. Okay. Huh? Let's say you have an accident, right? Right. And it's like a lawn mower accident. Right. And you like, you cut your ankle off or something. Sure. Or just like a toe. Okay.
01:08:30
Speaker
Will the police stop everything they're doing and do a grid search for your toe? They grid search for him. They did a grid search for his wiener. Why? Do you think he can reattach it? They did reattach it. No, they didn't. Yes. Yes, they did. The police? It can't work, right? It is a man's world, my friend. It can't work the same. Well, they're... We have... I want to see it. I'm more than... They're photos.
01:09:01
Speaker
get there in a minute oh i want to see it now hold on hold on he's gonna have an implant there let me get it let me get one all right so they find the cock
01:09:19
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Obviously the chicken is reattached. They played hide the salami But I will say she actually called the cops herself It told them this is where this is the location in which I threw out the window where it is I don't know but hopefully a dog ate it. No dogs. No Oh my it was reattached and functioning
01:09:44
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01:10:14
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It was not abuse, it was rape. Yeah, but they, they, again, couldn't prove anything. She was still living with them, so apparently, as long as you're living with your husband, he can beat the shit out of you. No, because you don't have the means some time to live separately. And he wouldn't leave!
01:10:32
Speaker
It was her house he left for a year who paid the bill this was one of the things that they said in the The true crime thing that I'm telling you about yeah court court TV. Yeah, they were talking about could you imagine this happening nowadays with the me to movement? Oh Like you want to talk about division
01:10:51
Speaker
Back in the 90s, two men and women? You know the foam fingers that they hold up at baseball games? They've been women with foam dicks out in front of the courthouse. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. We're going to start a merch line soon, guys. Guess what our first product's going to be? It's the foam dicks. The foam penis is going to be called the body. This is an externals. I can't. Oh, bedtime. Bedtime.
01:11:21
Speaker
i don't know what that means that means i need to stop talking anyway okay all right he was found not guilty for his crimes against Lorena so john the man poor guy got his dick whacked off right who has multiple police reports about the incident like interviews with like random men yeah on the news okay and you can look this stuff up on youtube or whatever you want to do but the guy was like
01:11:48
Speaker
I don't care what he did. It's not worth that. And I'm sitting here like, hey buddy, hey buddy. Hey, if you'd have just given her a divorce. Right? He'd still have it. None of this would have happened. Well, he still has it, but it would have never been traumatized. Bet it doesn't like to go to near women anymore. I will say that he was, like, bleeding out. It was not... Well, yeah. Your brothers call me. I'm just telling them we're still recording. Right.
01:12:18
Speaker
He served absolutely zero time. Lorena was charged with malicious wounding and, uh, faced up to 20 years in prison for cutting off a guy's dick. Now, I would like to save the record that if you rape a kid, right? Like if you take your, your, your penile and molest a child, you face like what? A year? Back then, especially if you cut a dick off.
01:12:48
Speaker
i'm just saying i bet she was the queen of that prison yeah they probably like you know could have been could have but here's the kicker after her testimony and the testimony of the people that witnessed the abuse that she had been suffering through it yeah she actually was one of few that got away with the argument temporary insanity she should have and she spent five weeks in a mental hospital
01:13:18
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okay that was her good right she didn't deserve more i literally every time i've heard this story it was he cheated on her so she cut it off no it was a huge like thing
01:13:34
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but there were so many, like actually, I will actually recommend going to the Court TV podcast and listening to some of it because it's two lawyers kind of talking it all out and saying to themselves, like, but she doesn't sound sincere. And then there was that one statement that she made that she had supposedly said to a friend, if I ever catch him cheating, I'll cut off his dick. Who hasn't said that? Yeah, true. But again, it's interesting to hear.
01:14:05
Speaker
So they went on to lead their lives, right?
Lorena's Advocacy and Post-Trial Life
01:14:09
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John was actually a porn star. With the reattached one? With the reattached genitalia. Oh, you know that was enhanced. Women get implants. But like, seriously? That's what you move on to do? Hey, they cut my dick off. Let me show the world. Apparently, he's proud of it.
01:14:32
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But yeah man, I mean she's everywhere now. And she's told her stories, she's an older lady. Yeah, I Googled her when you went in the bathroom. She's got a good amount of net worth.
01:14:44
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And she started a foundation for domestic abuse victims. So she's either really sticking to the lie, or she lived through a horrendous thing. A horrendous thing. A horrendous thing. Reached out for help to the authorities multiple times, was told not to worry about it, and she quite literally took matters into her own hands. Yeah. Which I do not fault her for. Not even a little bit. I will proudly be a little right about it now.
Miranda Lambert's Song and Personal Connections
01:15:09
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Who's the one that, Miranda Lambert?
01:15:11
Speaker
Yeah. That wrote that song about, you know, you get out of prison and I got my shotgun. Yeah. Yeah. Come get it. That was my story. I told you I had a whole time with this one because it should not be funny. But I also have a really weird sense of humor. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, but again, guys, honestly, I don't think. And again, opinion.
01:15:40
Speaker
Everybody's got to- But what else was she to do? Well, no, I'm- She tried to divorce him. I just don't think that she was like 110% innocent. Now, there is no justification for a man putting his hands on a woman. No justification about having sex with someone who says no. Correct.
Debating Innocence and Cultural Expectations
01:15:57
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But I also don't think that her side of the story where she just sat back and took it, right? Oh, no. Not even close. She antagonized him. She pushed his buttons. They're married! And you can't tell me that she didn't make contact too.
01:16:10
Speaker
Hells no. Probably not. I've physically struck you more than once on this podcast. Oh, I thought you said that was a mosquito, whore. Just that one time. Yeah. There's no way. She's not innocent, but I do not. I do think that it was. I don't think 25 years in prison would have been justified. She was innocent.
01:16:34
Speaker
No, I don't think she's really innocent in the fights is what I mean. Correct. Okay. Because I don't, I don't think for a second knowing other ethnicities, other ethnicities the way that I do, that she was just a shy withdrawn and took it. I don't think so, but I do think that our sandals is who I brought up earlier. Yeah. I mean, she's been in America all her life. Her mom,
01:17:02
Speaker
is the dominant one her dad you know helped raise the kids and that was the household she grew up in you go back to this all i mean she was 1819 in the late 80s so probably way more that was a way different time she grew up in a different country where women are more submissive
01:17:22
Speaker
they take care of the house they take care of the kids which is really why her mom said initially don't report it what happens in the family stays in the family and if you get smacked around a little this you just need to keep you need to mind your words from now on like that's how it was back then so while i do not think that she was a wilting flower just never doing anything to you know
01:17:47
Speaker
I think she probably antagonized it, but hell's bells. You know how many times a day I antagonize your brother? How many times he's laid hands on me? None. Good Lord. I can't imagine Brian's within five minutes of you before you offended him or pushed a button. Don't smile. Not funny.
01:18:08
Speaker
Yeah. So I think that she, I think marriage is hard. I think the first year of marriage is the hardest. You know, you think you'd be in the honeymoon phase, but you're not. You got to acclimate to living with someone and to sharing everything and different routines and different ways to do things. And then you throw in the fact that he was in the military, that she's from another country. There's a language barrier. There's a customs barrier. There's so many things and they didn't even know each other.
01:18:38
Speaker
you know so that first year marriage is gonna suck it's going to be antagonistic there's gonna be fights there's gonna be a learning curve does that justify him not putting his hand on her absolutely never does that justify him ever forcing her to have sex with him no can i be like honest though real life yeah i feel like this should have been the case that opened men's eyes
01:19:04
Speaker
to say that women are not victims. That yeah,
Complexities of Relationships and Personal Safety
01:19:10
Speaker
we have a mind of our own. And yes, you will fall asleep from time to time. And yes, I will be awake. It's like we talk about people that commit.
01:19:20
Speaker
crimes, or serial killers, you never think it's gonna happen to you. It's why, I mean, sometimes people stay in our relationship because they truly love the person. They think they'll change, they can change, and they deserve it. But honestly, if I was a dude, that'd kind of be in the back of my head. Oh yeah, I wouldn't need to leave it without a chastity belt. What is she? What is she capable of? Like, what could she do to me if I did A, B, or C? Like, actual logical thinking. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway. I cannot believe he became a porn star.
01:19:49
Speaker
with his reattached unit yeah and like i'm not a porn watcher but i'm kind of curious i'm not that curious no i don't want to see him effing anybody i just kind of want to see like how they reattached it yeah i want before and after pictures what's the scarage that has happened here oh i suppose the 90s there's probably more hair than you could actually see the uh incision mark if you will the bush the bush straw like a perm
01:20:22
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Wow.
Career Change and Social Media Humor
01:20:23
Speaker
It wasn't long after that that the O.J. thing happened and the freakin' 90s man. Did you see that mean my post in South O.J. Simpson?
01:20:34
Speaker
It was, it's a real like- I suck at social media guys, I'm just gonna throw that out there. If you ever leave a message for me, the chances would be responding or like, nil. None. Unless Faith calls me and says hey somebody specifically mentioned you. And they still can't figure out how to do it, so it's fine. It's not, yeah. Somebody, I saw it and I stole it, it's a screenshot, it's, um, OJ Simpson's like Twitter account with the blue checkmark.
01:20:57
Speaker
And it says, I don't care what anybody says, Carole Baskins killed her husband. And somebody tweeted him back and said, the expert has spoken. And a lot of people didn't find that funny, but I did. That's hilarious. I thought it was. Wow. So that was super. Mad props to Lorena. Sometimes you got to take matters in your own hands. I'm saying. And she was apparently a lot more forgiving than I would have been in that situation.
01:21:26
Speaker
as we learned earlier. Yeah. Apparently. I'd have put it down the garbage disposal. Apparently. You never really had that thing. Your husband with his own dick. I'm gonna have to let Frankie know. This is what your wife said. He barely sleeps as it is. Yeah, that's true. He would fall victim to this. He quite literally has a healthy fear of me. That's interesting. You wanna talk about that? No. No. No therapy tonight.
01:21:54
Speaker
nope but you should check out my nice uh display of cast-arting skillets i got a pal dude that wasn't that wasn't a made up story my dad's for literally his big old fat wife he's gonna beat him with an iron skillet and he was like this five foot nothing guy and she was like a sasquatch beast we talked about it once before like um oh god the Matilda
01:22:21
Speaker
Touchable! That was her. Oh no, she looked... Touchable was like Miss USA compared to this lady. Really? Whoo-ha! Think Hagrid from Harry Potter. Great hair. Almost as much hair. On the
Personal Anecdotes and True Crime Encouragement
01:22:37
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face and otherwise. Okay. I didn't mean that. Okay. Well, this was a nice story after last week.
01:22:52
Speaker
So oh hey guys, I will say just shoot out there Faith is actually gonna let me like create means to put up. Well, she has to okay she I'm sending them. I'm sending her my my thoughts And it's a black dark hole guys. You do not want to be the receiver of her thought she may or may not delete like half of
01:23:19
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but i'm gonna need a shout out when it's uh it's uh an original i will give i will i will shout you out am i allowed to tag you because i mean yeah go forward we didn't say our last things forever but yeah i think at this point it's kind of irrelevant yeah because we've commented on things and you know yeah we've dropped other people we've said faith and lisa and then when faith bazoolah and lisa bazoolah are responding to everything hey guys guess what
01:23:45
Speaker
You don't have to be a detective to figure it out! It's true crime too, so it's like... Oh, our chair detectives know our name, don't you?
01:24:00
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well anyways guys for sticking with us for so long I'm sorry that there were so many rabbit trails on this one look and I'm serious like go do your own research there is definitely three sides to every story but I am definitely leaning toward Lorena
01:24:17
Speaker
she had everything that john like every interview he was even in his own trial he was so glossy about everything like there was no emotion when he testified there like he just didn't like you know what i mean it's weird it's weird i cannot believe they reattached it yeah well i got a job
01:24:56
Speaker
Ryan, you need to have a skateboard. Alright guys, have a great week! Have a good night! Bye!