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The Kidnapping & Torture of Alicia Elmore
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In 1986 the police of Terra Haute received an anonymous tip for a missing 17-year old girl Alicia Elmore.
This girl has been missing for months after trying to help her sick mother by getting her a sprite. This is her story of kidnapping, abuse, and victory against Bill Benefiel and his horrific actions against her.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Setup
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, good afternoon and thanks for tuning into an episode of Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa.
00:00:11
Speaker
And we're here. Barely. Yeah. So it is not a news story. But I don't know why I put my mic on the other side, Tori. I can't look at you while I talk, but we're re-ranging. There we go. I'm not that ugly. So I saw this thing on TikTok.
Disturbing TikTok Story and Community Reaction
00:00:30
Speaker
This news story that is unfortunately a true story. This woman like she's a single mom woke up in the middle of the night and
00:00:38
Speaker
Her boyfriend had raped her nine month old to death, basically. What? Yeah, true story. It happened like three years ago, but the whole community signed a petition that they wanted to all watch him hang.
00:00:55
Speaker
Like, and did they? True story. No, he was. But, yeah, no, they didn't release him to the public, but they look like the whole town legit signed a petition. And I have wanted to tell you about it for like a week. No way. Because they all signed a petition, one in the sky to hang. And I was like, where's the petition? I will. I will sign. That's how I know it was a few years ago, because I was literally. I'll pick up that rock. Yeah. Yes, I will.
00:01:22
Speaker
but I was dying. Yeah.
Sensitive Cases and Emotional Impact
00:01:25
Speaker
Actually too, before you get started, I told you probably what two weeks now that there's a case that I wanted to do. Yes. But I couldn't bring myself actually going on three weeks. Yes. Yeah. And I've decided I'm not going to do this case, but I'm going to tell you about it because you can just let it, it's good. Okay. It is.
00:01:46
Speaker
Why don't you want to do it? It's, it's intriguing because there's not a whole lot of information, not to mention the fact that when crimes like this happen, I'm super sensitive about it because there's like no explanation. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But it was a, let me bring this up. It was a 13 year old boy who killed his nine year old sister.
00:02:12
Speaker
Oh good. To punish his mother. What did she do making me eat his broccoli? You know, and that's like the worst part of it was that he, there really wasn't a rhyme or reason that I could tell because the mom seemed like she was a legit mom. She was working two jobs. The kids were well-kept, like literally fought and scrounged for nothing. Like they were well off. Yeah.
00:02:38
Speaker
But he said that he hated his mom. He doesn't exactly know when it all started, this, that, and the other thing. And just some of the details of what the kid went through was I'm trying to get the kid's name up real quick. There it is. You can find this one on YouTube. It's called Interview with a Psychopath.
00:03:01
Speaker
actually named and it is the story is Paris Lee Bennett. Mm hmm. And it's not more than like a half an hour. I didn't full on research what had happened because the kid literally manipulated the babysitter into leaving. He's nine. He was 13, 13. OK. And it go it went into depth pretty good about the kids mindset.
00:03:28
Speaker
Like he was walking around saying he was doing CPR, but he wasn't like there was no. Wow. It was evil. You're going to have to send me a link to that. And I don't like talking about stuff like that. But for those of you out there that want to feel the pain that I felt watching this. Which is all of you if you're listening to this. Because it's not just an interview where he's interviewed by Pierce Morgan. Yeah. It is. They had two other
00:03:55
Speaker
behavioral analysis people and the mother sitting and listening to the interview. And she literally just
The Abduction of Alicia Elmore
00:04:02
Speaker
straight up was like, oh yeah, you know, if he could, cause he committed the crime at 13, he's up for parole in like just a few years. Yeah, probably 18. And he was diagnosed as a psychopath. Yeah. He'll do it again. So anyways, that's the case that I wanted to do, but I really just, the more research I was doing about it, the more I was like, you know what?
00:04:22
Speaker
if they wanted to find out about this story and this particular, yeah, this particular individual, especially because like I was like, what are we getting out? It was gross to me because just, I can't see a child doing something like that and I don't like to know. So that's, anyways, it was Brandon Lee Bennett and it was interview with a serial killer. You can find it on YouTube. Interview with a psychopath, thank you. You're welcome.
00:04:48
Speaker
And you can find it on YouTube, but you'll have to look up the name. Yeah. Paris Lee Bennett. That's crazy. Oh, it made me so mad. And then listening to the mom and listening to what the detectives were saying about. It's like that episode of Criminal Minds where the kid shoves the plane pieces down his little brother's throat and just doesn't care. I hated that episode too. I just, I can't, I can't handle stuff like that. I don't care for it.
00:05:15
Speaker
because then it just goes back to that nature versus nurture, like what turns somebody into what they became. Sometimes, I mean, just something broken. Yeah, something's just not right. I've got one. I wanted to throw it out there for you. I've got one. I've got one coming up that is just if you have a trigger, it's legit in this episode. It is the most depraved, horrific thing ever. So stay tuned for that. Yeah, that'll be great. That's not tonight though.
00:05:45
Speaker
Tonight we have a different episode that I'm going to tell you. All right. And I don't know why now. Okay. Obviously there's aspects of why I know this case bothers me, but there's a specific aspect of this case. The to my core bothers me, like gives me the heaps and I don't know why. Cause I've heard worse things, but anyway, here we go. So we are going to Tara hot, hot, hot H-A-U-T-E.
00:06:13
Speaker
Terre Haute, Indiana, and it is October 1986. I was two. I was one. So Alicia Elmore lived with her mother, her stepfather, and her brother. On October 10, 1986, around 7.30 a.m., Alicia went down to the gas station to get two sprites, one for her mother and one for her brother, as they were both sick.
00:06:39
Speaker
The gas station was two blocks from her house, so it legit takes like a minute to walk there. Okay. How old is she? Um, she is, I want to say 17, but we'll get down there. I want to say 17. She's under eight. She's not a child. No, but I mean, but no, no, no, no. Yeah. She is a kid, but not, you know what I mean? But I mean, legitimately.
00:06:59
Speaker
80s 90s like you were safe to walk see no okay here's because we were talking like I didn't know where over the weekend and my dad because I was like man I really have got to get this podcast written Faith and I are trying to record and he's like I don't know how you guys can do stuff like this blah blah blah and then started talking about my son and his little neighborhood friends that they'll go riding around the bicycles and we've got houses literally in every corner
00:07:26
Speaker
where one of these kids lives. They're not out of sight for anybody for more than like a second, right? But he's like, you know, you guys used to be able to go ride your bikes wherever you wanted to and do whatever you wanted to. And I looked at him and I said, no, no, you let us. Yes.
00:07:43
Speaker
because your generation was like the worst for serial killers and rapists. Yes. OK. He was like, yeah, but it wasn't as I was like, what? No. Well known. It was because there was no TikTok or Facebook. Exactly. To where everyone talked about it. Oh, yeah. Now it's national news when somebody is going somewhere. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 100 percent.
00:08:05
Speaker
So yeah, anyways, it wasn't that it was safer back then. No, but it was socially acceptable. It was a societal norm, if you will.
00:08:15
Speaker
How many people jump into the ocean, but one person gets attacked? You never think it's going to happen to you. Right. So Alicia's walking down the block to the gas station. On her way to the gas station, she hears a strange noise. And when she kind of looks behind, she sees a figure darting in between houses. So as with any 17 year old girl, so she's 17, this made her uncomfortable. Right. So she goes ahead and crosses the street gas stations on the other side of the streetways. So she goes ahead and crosses to get away from this.
00:08:43
Speaker
this person dodging the houses and walks to the gas station without incident gets the gas station, gets the sprites. And you know, like, I know I've been there when you have kind of freaked out about something you think you saw, but then when nothing happens, you start rationalizing and you're like, what was there really a person? Do you know what I mean? Like it's seven fricking 30 in the morning. Nobody's out and it's not prime prowler time, if you will. Well, but you're sitting there thinking to yourself, like, you know, right now,
00:09:12
Speaker
We wake up at seven. It's still dark. Yeah. So really. Is it seven 30 in the morning winter time? Yep. True. Or is that over? So yeah. Yeah. So it's probably still dark. I still dark, but it's still, you know, you always have that gut feeling in the dark. So she's just saying, she's just telling herself, you're being ridiculous. This is what I'm assuming. So she gets her sprites and she starts to head back home.
00:09:36
Speaker
She crosses the street. She walks down the road, crosses the street, and she's about five houses down from her own house. It's a residential suburban neighborhood. So it's not like each have an acre like it's close, you know, a neighborhood. But she's five houses down from her own house when all of a sudden a man appears across the street running in between two houses towards her. He's wearing a mask. Yeah, I'm out. And then all of a sudden he's in front of her with a gun pointed at her head.
00:10:02
Speaker
He asked her if she had any money and she said, nope, don't have any. You can check, go through my bags. Like I had enough money to get my drinks, got nothing.
Alicia's Survival and Captivity
00:10:10
Speaker
You can have it. Take whatever you want. He grabs her from behind the neck and he starts pulling her hair as he's marching her across the street into an alleyway.
00:10:20
Speaker
And he tells her, if you scream, you're dead. He's still got a gun to her. So as they're walking down this alleyway, they come up to a garage. All accounts that I've kind of looked at and researched all make it sound to be like, like a shed, one car, like a small structure, but it's in an alleyway. So I think back to like TV shows where, you know, like you got that little pull up door right there by
00:10:44
Speaker
whatever. I'm not sure. Especially if their houses that are closer together. Where was this? Indiana. I don't know if they do it the same way as they do up north, but they do have little sheds and stuff for like a push mower or whatever. So he forces her in there and once inside this small structure, she can see that it's just dirty and filled with junk.
00:11:08
Speaker
The masked man strips her naked, forces her own underwear into her mouth to gag her, then uses her own clothes to tie her up and bind her along with some electrical wire that was in the garage. He takes her own pants that she was wearing and puts them over her head to blind her. So he's used her shirt to like bind her arms.
00:11:31
Speaker
He's shoved her own underwear in her mouth and now he's using her own pants. Like he took these off of her and now betraying her. Like I know clothes are an intimate object, but I felt so portrayed that it was her own clothes that were doing these things. Yeah. Finds her, um, puts the pants over her head. And while on the garage floor, he put two heavy bags, like think cement bags, these two heavy bags on her back to prevent her from moving. And this is how he leaves her.
00:11:59
Speaker
she's tied up she's bound she's gagged she's blinded and she's got these two huge heavy sacks weighing down her back on top of her arms and she she's naked so and he leaves her like that for about five minutes and when he comes back he is parking a van in front of this garage structure he picks Alicia up and he throws her in the back of the van and then starts to drive
00:12:21
Speaker
and drive and drive. Throughout the whole transportation portion, he would ask Alicia, do you know where we are? Do you know where we're going? And the drive took forever. And so she thought that they were probably still in her hometown of Terre Haute, Haute, whatever. But she wasn't really sure. And that's what she told him. I have no clue where we are.
00:12:44
Speaker
So a few minutes later, the van pulls into a driveway and Alicia is carried into one of the houses owned by her kidnapper, Bill Benefil. Bill is a 30 year old man. He is married. His wife's name is Marilyn. And together they own four houses all within the same block of Terre Haute.
00:13:02
Speaker
And basically I think slumlords, like these aren't big, nice houses. These are, you know, like little run down houses. His life, his wife lives in one and he lives in another house. They don't live together. They live on the same street, but it'd be like your mom, your dad living here and your mom living at Nana's threats old house. Yeah. Like they're not extra neighbors, but they live on the same house. They live on the same street, different houses. And they have two other houses they own on this street. It's a weird setup. Um, but.
00:13:32
Speaker
The house that he just deposited this girl into is house number 323. And sadly, this house is located less than 100 yards from her house where her family is sitting there waiting on her and her sprites.
00:13:45
Speaker
And she has no idea she is that close to safety. So he just drove around. She's bound and gagged, laying in the back of a van. She can't tell. So 100 yards is all it was, 100 yards. So Alicia was placed in this vacant house and put down onto a mattress that was laying on the floor. The girl's young and she's scared. She's still bound. She's still naked. Excuse me. She doesn't yell. She doesn't really fight. She doesn't protest.
00:14:15
Speaker
because she 100% knows that he will kill her for that behavior. He's told her she's seen the gun. She's felt the gun. Yep. So she's not compliant. She doesn't want to be there, but she also doesn't want to be dead. Right. So there's where we're at. So I'm sorry, guys. Allergies in East Tennessee are no joke. Yeah, sorry. So bear with us in our hacking. Suck it up.
00:14:37
Speaker
So while helplessly laying on the mattress, Bill decided to have a small get to know you session and starts asking her, what's your name? Where do you live? What's your favorite color? Like grade a creeper, basically. Okay.
00:14:52
Speaker
And afterwards, he starts untying her, but she's still naked. And at this point, he hoses her and starts to take explicit nude photos of her. Still naked and blindfolded. And then Bill raped her on that mattress with a gun held to her head. Once he was finished, he got her off the mattress and he put the mattress on a bed frame. And he forced Alicia to lay down and then placed a chain around her neck.
00:15:19
Speaker
and connected it to the bedpost like you would tie up a dog. Then he used handcuffs to attach her hands to each side of the bed and then her feet were bound with ropes.
00:15:30
Speaker
to the bottom of the bed frame. And that's how he left her. Freshly raped, naked, chained by the neck, arms in length. Around 15 minutes later, he returned and informed her that he'd gone back to the garage where he had originally kept her. And he got the remaining of her clothes as well as the sprites. And so he's effectively cleaned the whole area up and said, I've left no evidence. I've made sure there's no evidence. No one's ever going to find you. This is your home now.
00:16:00
Speaker
basically. At this point he enties her but he uses duct tape to close her eyes to keep from seeing anything. He's real paranoid about her seeing him because he had the face he had the mask on earlier now.
00:16:16
Speaker
So he blind, he blindfolds her with frickin duct tape, which imagine ripping that off. Yeah, that'd be great. Then wads up a bunch of toilet paper, shoves it in her mouth and duct tape over her mouth and leaves her like that the entire night. I have a problem with that because toilet paper is like disintegrating a little quality. Can you imagine having to lay there like that all night with that crap in your mouth? Like that's disgusting. Yeah, I feel like I would just be eating it.
00:16:43
Speaker
Yeah, really bothers me. That's not the part that really bothers me, but I didn't like the toilet paper aspect at all. Yeah, that's interesting. I feel like you would have had to have used a lot of toilet paper. Yeah. And then duct tape, like. So the next day, Alicia is still bound alone and I'm sorry.
00:17:02
Speaker
following day he forces her to perform oral sex on him and right before he chains and binds her to the head the bed and Leaves her there again. So she spends the entire night chained found duct tape He wakes her up takes the duct tape off toilet paper out forces her to give him a blowjob Shoves toilet paper back in her mouth duct tape back over and
00:17:25
Speaker
ties her back up to the bed. So this this day she's bound and alone. He's gone and this is this is her time.
00:17:34
Speaker
Like this is the time to escape. This is where we pull a Chad from broken bones back in the. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So she's got to escape. So she starts to scoot the bed frame with her body like, you know, kind of you can't see me people, but I'm rocking. I'm rocking on this chair. So she's scooting it towards the doorway and she's able to chew the tape, the duct tape off her mouth and get her mouth free.
00:17:58
Speaker
Spits out the toilet paper, and once her mouth's free, instead of working on the arm bindings or anything, she screams at the top of her fracking lungs as loud as she can, hoping that a neighbor will hear her. Cuz she doesn't have many options here. Unfortunately- I mean, it's one thing to try to loosen- Yeah. But she's handcuffed in chains. Not even that. I was gonna say, she has a chain around her neck.
00:18:22
Speaker
Yeah, our boy our boy sad back in the day was bound and had broken stumps of legs Yeah, but he threw himself. She's she's got nowhere to go Yeah, so she scooted that bed as close as she could to the door and just started screaming at the top of her arm And you have to know that if it's a chain
00:18:40
Speaker
It's bound by something. So you've got a padlock or something. Your best chance... Most common knowledge does not tell you how to bust a padlock. Your best chance is for Nosie Ethel across the way to hear something and call the police. So, unfortunately, as she was bound and blindfolded, she didn't know Bill was in the house. She thought she was alone, which is why she attempted this escape.
00:19:03
Speaker
She was not so as she started screaming Bill rushed in the room threw a blanket over her head and just starts beating the holy crap out of her and He's yelling at her that if she screams again, he's gonna kill her you're not to scream you're not to make noise and just pummels her with her fit as punishment for her earlier attempt at this skate because you know how dare she want to leave and
00:19:25
Speaker
these polite accommodations he's made for her. He got a knife and started making small cuts all over her back. And then he cut off her fingernail. Yeah. Takes a minute to really let that sink in. I gripped the mic a little harder just now. No, like it took a second for me to process. He cut off her fingernails, like removed her fingernail. And then he started removing chunks of her hair as well.
00:19:51
Speaker
As he's cutting off chunks of her hair, he alerts her that he's going to save some of this hair, some of her hair, and he's going to add it to a scrapbook. What scrapbook you might ask? Well, he told her he has a scrapbook filled with the hair of all those that had come before her, the ones that he had kidnapped before and held, the ones that he had raped before and held, and the ones that he had murdered when he was done. She was going to be added to that little book of horror. Yeah.
00:20:20
Speaker
So he warned her one more time that if she tries to escape again, he will kill her. And basically he just let her know this is not his first rodeo and he knows really well what he's doing here. So you best listen this time. But just to let her know he was serious, he held his gun to her head and pulled the trigger.
00:20:45
Speaker
so she could hear it cock and she could hear the spring. It was just a dry shot because there was no bullet in there. But right by her ear, put it up. Bill, as I said, was very paranoid about Alicia might seeing his face, which honestly is a good sign because if you don't want them to see you, you think you're, in my mind, if you don't want me to see you, you're going to let me go at some point. You don't want me to, right? So this is good. Like this is what I'm thinking the whole time.
00:21:14
Speaker
that the duct tape and the blindfolds and the mask, that's a good sign. Because while what you're going through is horrible, he doesn't plan on killing you or keeping you forever. You can identify him. Well, to ensure that she never saw his face, Bill,
00:21:33
Speaker
You super glue and super glued her eyes shut. And I don't know why, but the thought of my eyelids being super glued shut is just abhorrent to me. That's, yeah. Like on Criminal Minds when that guy super glued their eyes shut, made them look at the power lines. Yeah.
00:21:56
Speaker
Yeah, no, he's super glued or I shut. That's got to be such a painful experience because it burns. Yeah. And it's not like he's just thinking about getting inside of your inside. Not only that, so your eyeball can't move. Now I don't understand. And I don't want to think about your finger, like how hard and crusty it gets with your eyelashes all matted and your eyelids stuck together. Oh, yeah.
00:22:17
Speaker
Thank you. But oh, no, I've thought about this in depth. I don't know why, but this was a trigger for me. But apparently that was not sufficient. So after super glue, super gluing her eyelid shut, he then put another layer of duct tape atop that. And again, he stuffed her mouth full of toilet paper and duct taped her mouth. And I don't know why. Shit. I really hate these. Like, I hate the rape and everything, but I really hate these little innocuous details that he's done to her. Right.
00:22:47
Speaker
because it is horrifically traumatizing. The toilet paper is a certain kind of torture. The glue... Because you are legitimately breathing through your nose and if you inhale, you're probably gagging paper. Yeah. No. So two days later on October 12th, Bill finally gave Elisa some food. So for two days, she has sat there with no food.
00:23:12
Speaker
and being raped.
Alicia's Health and Psychological Struggles
00:23:14
Speaker
And then since he gave her food, he raped her twice more that day. And if that is not bad enough, apparently
00:23:22
Speaker
Bill really took his time with the rapes. Like they were, he was able to perform a abnormally long amount of time and his rapes were not only long in just time length of that, but he was especially brutal and painful as he's, he made it hurt. So for a very long, for a long time. So twice she's raped just long and horrifically,
00:23:50
Speaker
On day three of Alicia's captivity, she's finally able to fall asleep for the first time. She's still chained to the bed. She's still gagged. She's still blinded by super glue. But at that point, I just feel like day two, he gave her food. Her body just shut down. Like that was not, I was able to fall asleep. That's my body said the night. Like you've been fed, you've been brutalized. We're shutting down. We're done. The only way Alicia could determine the change of each day was by listening to the radio.
00:24:21
Speaker
She was being held in a room located in the attic that Bill had pretty much made for this purpose. It has no windows. So there's not even like her eyes are super glued, but you can't even feel the warmth of like the sun. Like it's a windowless room in the attic. But he was obsessed with listening to police scanners. So that's literally the only passage of time she has is when they announced it on the police scanner. She was raped at a minimum of once per day, every day.
00:24:51
Speaker
And each time Bill would say, this is the day I'm going to kill you. This is it. This is the day. What a jack off. So I just like, I really want you to think about that as a 17 year old girl having only hearing as an extra, like that's your only source of picking up clues as hearing your sites been taken. Your touch has been taken cause you can't move. Yeah.
00:25:14
Speaker
Your voice has been taken. All you have left is what you're able to hear. And you're being painfully, brutally raped every single day and told this is a day I'm going to kill you. It's literally he is hitting every aspect. Oh, yeah. He is punishing her physically, mentally, emotionally. Oh, 100 percent. Yeah. He's taking her will to live. Oh, yes.
00:25:41
Speaker
Yes. And, you know, you've already ripped the fingernails out. You've cut tiny cuts all over my whole back. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like she's like physically. Oh, yeah. Tortured, mentally tortured and emotionally tortured.
00:25:53
Speaker
So on October 30th, three weeks into this, Bill was in a good mood and he excitedly told Alicia that that night they would be hosting a Halloween party. Like, you know, they're a couple. I don't. The twisted minds of an insane person. Yeah. And when nighttime arrived, so did Bill with a knife. He cut parts of Alicia's neck and her chest and then he took his loaded gun and inserted it into her vaginal
00:26:23
Speaker
a canal as he anally raped her for the first time. So there's that. During the first two months of this, Alicia's eyes were continuously super glued shut and covered with tape. However, from time to time, Bill decided he wanted to see her eyes. So he would don the mask, because he didn't want her to see him, he just wanted to see her eyes. So he'd take the mask, put it back over his head,
00:26:50
Speaker
And then he would pry her eyelids open. Oh my gosh. So that he could look at them for up to 30 seconds to a minute before super gluing them back again. Alicia was not allowed to go to the bathroom for the first few months, plural, months that she was held. So she was forced to use the bathroom on the mattress that she was chained to, which is the only place that she's allowed to go. Right.
00:27:18
Speaker
She was fed one potato a day and she was not allowed to take baths on her own. They would occasionally bathe her. Um, but when I say occasionally, I mean like once a month and she's living on this mattress that she is having to pee and defecate on. Um, so he would occasionally bathe her and she was frequently beaten and again, continued to be at least raped one time per day.
00:27:46
Speaker
months as a 17 year old girl. A hundred yards from her house where her family is looking. A hundred. Like I can't express that enough. Like every time the story would get too much and I think literally two blocks away is your mom and dad. Yeah. Stone's throw.
00:28:03
Speaker
Yeah. So, on top of all the horrendous sexual abuse, Alicia had to go through, as you said a minute ago, she was also mentally tortured by her captive. One time, these are some things that he did here, one time he told her to hold out her hand, eyes are super glued shut, and he put some bullets into her hand and said one of those, her name was written on it, and that's the one he's gonna use to kill her.
00:28:33
Speaker
Quite frankly, in this position, that is a glorious way to get out. So let's just get it on. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, could you just go ahead and sing that one in the gun? That's what I'm thinking. Like the whole time, like every like some of the podcasts that I've listened to talk about, it was like it was mental torture. And I'm like the sadistic part of that is had she said then kill me. Mm hmm.
00:28:55
Speaker
He probably would have just laughed and walked away knowing I broke her a little further. Yeah, but in my mind, that's not a threat anymore. Like you're going to kill me and not continually to rape me every day. OK, let's do it. Like you promise. Yeah, like it doesn't have to have my name. Just pick one. Yeah, right. I don't know. You don't need to write my name on anything. Just do it, dude. He also asked her once if she wanted to die slowly or to die quickly. Which do you think she said?
00:29:22
Speaker
No, I'm sure she said quickly. She did. And his response, well, I will ensure your death will be a long and painful course. Yeah, because he wants to he's messing with her. During the times Alicia was not being assaulted. She would try to plan her next attempt to escape, like in her head. OK. However, after a while, she realized she's never getting away like this is her life now. Yeah.
00:29:45
Speaker
She would lay there and listen to the dogs barking in the house. The ones that Bill had already said, if you ever try to get out and they see you right on site and the dog sounded brutal, brutally mean. Like, you know how you hear those certain barks and you know, Oh crap.
00:30:02
Speaker
Yeah, but that's the best. So but that's all she can do is laying her own waste on this mattress and listen to those dogs bark. So in this state, the days kind of start bleeding together. Alicia just becomes broken and hopeless knowing that this is going to be the rest of her life until it's finally over. Like this is this is it.
00:30:25
Speaker
Two months. So can I just ask, though? Go ahead. And maybe it's just because like I do have a weird, weird train of thought. Right. We all are aware. I'm a bit odd. And I feel like at that point, after it's been months. Yeah. That I would just antagonize the shit. Yeah, I want you to kill me.
00:30:48
Speaker
No, yeah, yeah, no, I mean, but I want I just want to make him feel stupid. Like I don't even care if it hurts anymore because like your whole your whole life is pain. Yeah. But to just like, you know what, you know, you write me all you want with your tiny dick. You know what I mean? Like just anything to piss him off so bad that he just pulls the trigger. Right. Is that weird? A weird way of thinking? No.
00:31:13
Speaker
I agree with that 100 percent. I'm just saying, like, I don't know. You never know what will happen when you're in that situation, though. I kind of feel like, yeah, she's young. So on December 9th, 1986, almost two months to the date of this being her life, Alicia begins bleeding profusely from her vagina, not like a period like something's wrong at two months.
00:31:42
Speaker
Yeah, this is month two into it because she was taken October 10th and now December 9th. So which she begins profusely bleeding and it causes Bill to take her to the yard. What? So he removes the super glue and rips her eyelids back open again. And he takes the duct tape off her face, obviously, which allows her to see his face. That's bad. But at this point, she's broken.
00:32:12
Speaker
And he believes she's 100% submissive. Like he's broken her, she's hit. He unchanged her from the bed and walks her towards the van. And right before they get to the van, he shows her the gun, the same one he's raped her with. Just as a reminder to behave. He then forces her to drive herself to the hospital. He sent in shotgun. She can barely see through her eyes because they're so damaged at this point.
00:32:40
Speaker
And he forces her to drive to the hospital that's furthest from their home now, where they're at, so that no one will know what she's looked like, because people are looking for her. Now, my thing is, I'll get to my thing in a minute. We'll wait. Okay. Once arriving at the hospital, Bill shows her the gun one last time and tells her that if she says anything to anyone, he's not just going to kill her. He's going to kill the hospital staff.
00:33:05
Speaker
and then kill her. So you're gonna be responsible for all these people's deaths. Different mommies and daddies. I'm gonna kill them, it's gonna be your fault. He didn't instruct her that anyone who asks, her name is Mary Benafil, his wife, and she's 18 years old. So we're married, you're 18, your name is Mary Benafil, and we love each other. In the ER, Alicia is given a pelvic exam with Bill standing right there beside her, because he's not letting her go.
00:33:33
Speaker
And when the doctor asks what's wrong with her eyes, Bill said that she's been crying so much from the pain they're inflamed. I'm gonna pause here. Here's my thing.
00:33:43
Speaker
They're crusted and bleeding. Yeah, that's my thing. Number one, she's been chained by the neck, wrists and feet to the bed for two months. Yeah. There's no bruises. He's cut her entire back. He's cut her chest. He's cut her neck. So there's at least scabs or scars. Right. There's he didn't let her take a shower before they left. There's got to be duct tape residue on her face like
00:34:09
Speaker
Hello McFly. Yeah. There are so many signs here and you're like, okay, you've been crying, poor little old lady. Yeah. What the fudge? Seriously? Yeah. You can't tell me that you can't look at this little girl and not know that she's been traumatized for two months. And there's some creepy old guy standing right here. Don't have to be your dad, but you're just going to say no.
00:34:37
Speaker
Anyway, sorry, that's just my like, there had to have been signs. Anyway, but she's been crying so much. The doctor gives Alicia a pregnancy test, which comes back positive.
00:34:49
Speaker
Congratulations, Mr. and Mrs. Bennifield, you've got a baby on the way. Doctor instructs this happy couple in order to prevent her from miscarrying the child because, you know, they are a young couple in love. Any vaginal sexual activity needs to be stopped for a minimum of three weeks. Alicia is so conditioned and so terrified of Bill at this point. She went through all of this. She went to the ER, she filled out paperwork, she went to the
00:35:19
Speaker
pelvic exam, any x-rays, any blood work, anything. And finally just left with her tormentor telling no one what she was living through. No note written, no request. She's broken. She did everything to the letter of the law. And Bill knew, I think he knew that he'd broken her. So Bill again made her drive the van back to her prison at house 323.
00:35:47
Speaker
Which I think at this point in my mind, I want to say, how do you not know you're so close to your parents? Like drive there, blaring the horn. You're 100 yards away. It wouldn't have mattered because at any point that it just been like you're a lunatic. I can't honestly say, though, if he was forcing me to drive, that's what I'm saying. I would kill myself. Yeah. And him. I would do 90 into a tree on his side. No matter how many times he pulled the trigger, I would make sure. But you're also 70.
00:36:14
Speaker
Correct. So, um, man, way to put up. Yes. So she doesn't live through this. I'm like, oh my God, Faye.
00:36:24
Speaker
However, when they got back home and got inside, Bill just chained her up. He didn't bother with the whole toilet paper in the mouth or super glue in her eyes. She's seen him, I guess. He knows she's done. He knows he's got her, so there's no need. The following day, despite doctor's orders, Bill begins the day by brutally raping Alicia again.
00:36:46
Speaker
Finally, a few weeks later, Bill unchains Alicia. He ties her up though like on a leash and brings her back to the van. He drove the van around for a while and they pull into a new house. They're no longer at house 323.
00:37:02
Speaker
Um, they're at house three to two, but because they drove around for a while and Alicia's eyes are messed up. She doesn't realize they're legitimately across the street from her original location. Still a hundred yards from her mom in this house. There's another room built into the attic.
00:37:20
Speaker
windowless, bed, all nine yards, same hat. I mean, literally just moved across the street, same getup. And there she is chained back up and repeatedly raped by Bill. This location is the house that Bill actually lived in. Like this was his home. Because remember they have four. His home, his wife's home, two vacant homes. Yeah. So this one's his home.
00:37:43
Speaker
And while chained to the bed, Alicia can still hear that police scam. And Bill, I remember I told you, he listened to it religiously. Well, he did this so he could know, just tell you what kind. If you don't know, we're dealing with a piece of crap. Yeah. He listened to this police scanner so he could know what house was the most vulnerable, for instance.
00:38:05
Speaker
If he hears on the police scanner that an ambulance just picked up a guy having a heart attack has been rushed to the emergency room. That house is prime pickin to just go in and take what you want. Cause the whole family's gone for at least three hours. Wow. And they probably didn't even lock the door because they were in a rush to follow the ambulance. And that's how he.
00:38:25
Speaker
just gathered his things as he would rob houses that were already, people are having the worst day of their life. He's gonna go rob you while you're at the hospital hoping your loved one makes it. Just to tell you. Yeah, yeah. So as time went by, Dale starts to give Alicia freedom.
00:38:51
Speaker
So she is allowed to be unchained, and she's given the freedom to clean his house and do his laundry. Wow. So now she's not just a sex slave, but his servant. Right. Mm-hmm. The thing is, because she's doing this, she's walking around the house. Like, she is so conditioned and beat down. Like, that door's wide open. You could run. And she's just scrubbing his floors like Cinderella. But because this is his actual house,
00:39:20
Speaker
And she's just walking around, and because Marilyn, his legally wedded wife, lives three doors down, she sees Alicia from time to time. Yep, sees her through the windows. There's that little girl cleaning his house. So Marilyn finally confronts Bill, and Bill somehow talked his wife Marilyn into the fact that Alicia is there of her own volition, her own free will, and she's doing the chores, because I guess he pays her. That was never really explained, but
00:39:49
Speaker
Take that at face value. Like on the one hand, I want to say if I'm his wife, I'm thinking bullshit. But on the other hand, Marilyn has been in the house multiple times and Alicia has never said help like. Yeah, that's still weird. Yes, it is. But Lisa's never told her anything is wrong. But again, oh, you again, you've got a 17 year old in the house. There must be some deep explanations or I'm coming back with a gun in the police. It's not even just that physically. Mm hmm.
00:40:18
Speaker
She wasn't eaten. Yeah, much. Nope. So she had to have been withering away at this point. Yeah. There had there were signs. Oh, there were freaking the hospital. You didn't
Discovery of Another Captive and Intensified Escape Efforts
00:40:31
Speaker
look because you didn't want to know. And we're in the 80s. Yeah. So finally, on January 26th, 1987, after three and a half months of captivity, Alicia
00:40:45
Speaker
Unbound, going through her daily chore list. And she hears a strange noise coming from the basement. And Alicia knows 100% without a shadow of a doubt, somebody being kept down in that basement. No way. Unfortunately, Alicia is correct. And Bill had another victim locked in the basement.
00:41:06
Speaker
Shortly after Alicia comes to this realization, Bill confesses to Alicia that he's kidnapped another girl just the night before and he's got her chained up and locked in the basement. So that night, Alicia comes face to face with the other victim because Bill brings her down and immediately she knows exactly who this girl is because she recognizes her from her neighborhood. Her name's Dolores. She's 19. She lives down the street with her mom and dad.
00:41:35
Speaker
Bill had kidnapped Dolores in almost the exact same spot that he had taken Alicia in the exact same way that he took Alicia. When Alicia saw Dolores there, she was in a different bedroom laying naked.
00:41:47
Speaker
on a water bed with her hands cuffed, taped over her eyes, gagged with toilet paper, and then again, sealed with duct tape. Bill gives Alicia all the details on the kidnapping, like goes through it all, like she's a co-conspirator and wants to know this stuff. Going over every depraved act, he's already forced upon Dolores. He's literally reiterating to her that I can do what I want.
00:42:13
Speaker
and there's nothing you can do about it. Again, it's just more mental torture. And I think at this point, Bill does kind of see Alicia like, I don't know. It's kind of warped in his mind, I think. I don't know. I don't think so. I think he's literally creating
00:42:30
Speaker
Wait, wait till the end. I think that I think that he he is. But I think in his mind, like she doesn't want to leave him any like they're they're together now. Like I just think it's I don't know. There's something about Alicia that I that makes Bill act different. That's weird. Yeah. OK. So on February 4th.
00:42:46
Speaker
A week into Dolores' kidnapping, Alicia is ordered into the same room as the other girl. And upon arriving, she sees Dolores slaying on the mattress with her hands cuffed behind her back, ankles cuffed together. And that's when she watches as Bill starts beating Dolores with his bare hands, just bare knuckle, knocking this girl's lights out. When his hands get tired, I guess, he whips her with an electrical cord. And Alicia is forced to just stand there and watch this attack.
00:43:16
Speaker
When he's done, Dolores' body was covered in welts. Now it's like, okay, I've been through all these. Let's desensitize her too.
00:43:25
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. Like, I think he has more plans for her than just. It's weird because it's like, I don't know. It's like she passed. Is he just trying to find like a Bonnie to his client? I guess so. And it's almost like she passed a test at the hospital by not trying to escape and not telling anyone. So now they're like in this other phase of their relationship in his mind almost. Yeah.
00:43:49
Speaker
So Delores's body is covered in welts. Her face is swollen and bruised. And the following day, Bill continues to torture Delores by cutting off all her hair and a finger. And he asks her the same question he asked Felicia earlier. Did she want to die quickly or slowly?
00:44:11
Speaker
Obviously Dolores gives the same exact answer. She wants to be murdered quickly and he gave her the same exact response He'd given Alicia. I will ensure your death is slow and painful on February 7th Bill left the house for around two hours and when he returned he had mud covering him like All the way up to his waist feet to waist and his hands are covered in these blisters. Yeah
00:44:34
Speaker
And he told Alicia, I look like this because I just finished digging a grave that could fit Dolores as well as your body. Wow. I'm done with it. So let me just I'm going to stop. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. And just to kind of not recap everything, but kind of give an opinion of like. You've heard that show, right? That's on TV called Snap, right? Yeah, somebody just like loses it. Yeah. And they go like buck wild and hurt somebody. I feel like this is the exact
00:45:04
Speaker
polar opposite of that. Yeah. Instead of snapping in her. Wanting death, right? Her mind is taking her to a place where she's like not human. Yeah, she's just not like robotic. Yeah, I agree with that. And like, how do you come back from that? I don't know if I mean, I'm sure you can, but a lot of therapy. I mean, even I don't know, Faith, like you're never the same who you were died. Yeah. 100 percent who you were died. Yeah.
00:45:35
Speaker
I guess that's kind of where I was going with that. Like even at this point, her standing there watching as everything is happening to Dolores, like you're just, that was my life. Like, I don't even think you would have that thought. I think you were just sitting there and just being obedient. Well, I also think how many, I also think how many times did like
00:45:59
Speaker
You know, your mind can protect you from things happening, right? So I have to wonder how many times when he's beating her and raping her, did she have like an out of body experience where she's like watching it instead of it being done to her, you know? So I have to think that happened after this many months of daily raping.
00:46:19
Speaker
And when it happened to someone else, does it seem almost the same at that point because you've almost viewed your own tortures outside yourself, you know? Yeah. So instead of being like, Oh my God, don't hurt her. Like you're still watching the same thing you've watched every day. It's just different perspective. And then there's, there's a reason that other countries torture people to get information.
00:46:45
Speaker
Yeah, it breaks you. It breaks something up there. Yeah. I'm like so in. Right. It blurs the line of things. Mm hmm. You know what I mean? Because there's always one person that's like. You were free at that point, you could kill yourself or it was this or that. And I just don't think. Yeah, they're coherent enough as an individual at that point and her to make a solid decision on anything now.
00:47:12
Speaker
And her torture, like her existence, there's now, hear me, please. One rape is too many rapes. Agreed. To live through. 100%. But in a lot of the kidnapping and rape stories you hear, like they're raped a couple of times, left for days, raped. She was raped a minimum of one time, every single day. Yeah. And remember, his performance is long and brutal.
00:47:39
Speaker
So every day, at least once, if not multiple times, he never left her alone. Yeah. So your mind, like you've got to be able to associate that at some point. Yeah. To live through it. Yeah. And you're 17. You have to. Oh yeah. And again, you're looking at a mind that's not even fully developed yet. Yeah. So I was saying your mind, you're 17. You're not even like, your mind's not fully developed. It is going to protect you.
00:48:01
Speaker
Yeah. Any way it can. Yeah. So anyways, I just wanted to throw that opinion out there because, you know, and I know I talk a lot of smack to about serial killers that have had bad existences and stuff like that. But like I said, it's this weird gray line, this gray area. I don't know. So kind of tortures. Yeah. Wow. So he just finished telling her he's dug the grave for her and Delores his body. And Alicia is convinced that this is the day he's finally going to put her out of her misery.
00:48:30
Speaker
Like today's the end. Fortunately, Bill had a different agenda for the day. So he had Alicia go into Dolores' room.
00:48:38
Speaker
and then forced her to watch as he superglued Dolores's nostrils and then pinched them together, making it so that she could no longer breathe through her nose. He then shoved toilet paper down her throat and her mouth and put duct tape over it. And Alicia watched as Dolores thrashed her on the bed, suffocating until Bill led her back out of the room, back into her own prison, and chained her back to the bed. And Alicia laid there trapped as the house just fell silent. Unbeknownst to Alicia,
00:49:07
Speaker
Bill did not actually kill Dolores. He went back, removed the gag from her mouth, and then proceeded to drag her outside and place her in the van. Here, Bill drove her into a wooded area, tied one arm to one tree, another arm to another tree, then each leg to the separate trees. So she's tied naked, spread eagle, between these two trees. Once she's tied up, Bill got right in front of her,
00:49:34
Speaker
and proceeded to dig a grave, dig a pit in the hole, the ground. Then he took his trusty roll of duct tape and started wrapping it around her neck, upper chin, upper mouth, her nose, upper eyes, and just continued to cover her entire head with duct tape until she did stop moving.
00:49:59
Speaker
And just to make sure she was 100% actually dead, Bill took her, her face in her hands and twisted until he heard a
Rescue and Aftermath of Captivity
00:50:08
Speaker
pop. Then he threw the body in the hole, covered it over and drove off. It was around two hours later. This is why I say this right here is why I say something with Alicia was different. Yeah. Because he kept Dolores a weak minimum, raped her.
00:50:27
Speaker
But they say like that psychopaths don't have that kind of emotional attachment to something was different. Something is the scrapbook he talked about was real. Yeah, they're not his first. He killed everyone else. He killed Dolores. Why keep Alicia? Like, that's why I say that episode of Criminal Minds with Frank and Gideon.
00:50:52
Speaker
Yes. And he had that one girl. Yep. The crazy one with the bone wind chimes. I don't know. I just that's why I said in his mind, I feel like the relationship changed at some point because he no longer like she outlived Dolores by months. But I'm also kind of wondering, though. She had one escape that she attempted.
00:51:16
Speaker
And never again. And never again. Even Washington George. And really just obeyed at that point, from that point on. And it was almost like, maybe in his sick, twisted mind, he was like, I found it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I found the one I could break. But that's why I said earlier, something was different in his mind when it came to her, in my opinion. So around two hours after killing Dolores and burying her in the hole,
00:51:43
Speaker
Um, he arrives back at home and tells Alicia Dolores is dead. And he killed her because she just knew too much. Dolores had only been held captive for 12 days. Not that there's any amount of days that is okay to be abused or like, oh, only 12 days. So fine type of thing, you know? No, no, no, no, no. But it's, I mean, compared to what Alicia has gone through. Exactly. It's like almost a sigh of release.
00:52:10
Speaker
I honestly think that if I was Alicia, I think why why did you kill her? Not me. I've been here. It was my turn. Yeah, it was my turn. Yeah. You jumped the line. Yeah. That's such a fucked up thing to say. But do you know what I mean? Like trying to deliver is then on the other hand, probably has absolutely had no idea when she was abducted that she had been there for that long. No. You know what I mean? And so for her, she's just sitting here thinking, you know, I can't see him. He's going to let me go. Same same premise, right? Mm hmm.
00:52:37
Speaker
So when I even put a side note, I wonder what it is about Alicia that had Bill keeping her around. Like my mind kept coming back. I don't know why.
00:52:46
Speaker
It was so like why I got so fixated on that, but I was just so fixated. I'm like, why did you just keep torturing this girl? It is. It's and it's weird. It's weird. It's out of it. It's that stupid feeling of like, dude, what the fuck? Yeah, like I don't get it. Yeah. You know, and we have that we have that absolute WTF moment in a lot of the cases that we talk about. This is just but what like what's the purpose of that? Yes. Usually I can see like a why. Yeah.
00:53:15
Speaker
There's usually something I don't understand why. At this point, he literally, absolutely 110% has everything to lose. Yeah. If she snuck out and he didn't know when she's out cleaning, doing whatever or said something to the wife, like he had everything to lose. Yeah.
00:53:37
Speaker
It doesn't make sense. No, see, that's why it will never will never understand it. But I just I fixated on that. Like I know if I I have to feel like if I was in Alicia shoes, I'd just be thinking, but why am I still here then? Yeah.
00:53:51
Speaker
So on February 11th, four months in, four days after Dolores was murdered, Alicia's morning consisted of waking up and listening to Bill freak out, like full on running through the house.
00:54:08
Speaker
running around everywhere losing his mind. And then he's yelling that the police are on the way. They're on the way. And he knew this because he heard it on the police scanner that they are on route to his house. So Alicia listened as he drills holes into the floor and then attempts to pry up part of the floor.
00:54:27
Speaker
because he was going to try to force Alicia under the floorboards to hide from the police. OK. And he told like this right here tells me like how broken he thinks she is and how he thinks they've gone to this next level because he tells Alicia go through the entire house as quick as you can get any evidence that you've ever been here so it can go on the floorboard with you. And that includes all the newspaper clippings I have of your your kidnapping and everything that I keep as trophies. All that. So she does. However,
00:54:58
Speaker
He's running out of time and he just can't get this floorboard open and enough room to hide her in. So instead he forces her up into this like hidden crawl space. He's got like a drop down floor and there's like there's a door that you can't even real see that goes into a crawl space.
00:55:14
Speaker
and he gets her up there hidden from view and he tells her don't make a sound so she is sitting up in this little tiny attic space which she's used to um with all these things surrounding her about her abduction and her life here for the past four to five months and she hears a knock on the door and it is in fact the police and they're telling Bill we have a search warrant for this house
00:55:37
Speaker
specifically to find Alicia and Dolores. And after the police come in, it's literally like a minute or two. They're not even searching yet. And Bill just says, yep, Alicia's up there in that crawl space right up there. You can find her. What? I guess at this point, he knew they had him. So he's just like, screw it. You got me. So police quickly go to the door, open it. And by God, there's Alicia and they help her out. And she's standing there surrounded by police officers.
00:56:06
Speaker
with Bill standing across the room looking at her and tells the cops, you're wrong. I wanna be here. This is where I belong. This is my home. He didn't force me to be here like this is where I live. And again, for the past five months, she's been daily. She's broken. And she's looking at the person who did this.
00:56:32
Speaker
Thankfully, the police knew this was not the truth as clearly she's in distress and police take her immediately to the hospital. So once at the ER, away from Bill's penetrating gaze, Alicia tells the police everything.
00:56:49
Speaker
everything that happened to her, all the information that she could think of about Dolores, every sound, every conversation, every word. From the time of her capture, October 10th through this day, February 11th, 124 days long, she was in captivity. She said that she counted 64 times of being raped, but it stopped counting because she was getting confused on how many days it was versus how many rapes it was.
00:57:17
Speaker
So she just lost track and stopped counting at 60, which was barely two months in when he brought her to the ER. So then at this point, I asked myself the question, was it just self-preservation for her? I don't know.
00:57:31
Speaker
It's like once you got away, I think she didn't trust anyone to keep her safe while she could see Bill. He threatened to kill her. He threatened to kill family. He threatened to kill all these people. Right. So I think as long as she could see him, she had to stay. And when she was finally away from him, it was like, I'm good. I can say this now. Right. Type of deal is the only thing I can figure.
Investigation and Bill Bennifield's Trial
00:57:52
Speaker
So at that point, she had just stopped tracking it. Um.
00:57:56
Speaker
While executing a search warrant on Bill's van, the police found the mask, a post-hold digger, a rake and a shovel, a pocket knife, a 22 caliber rifle shells and rope, but they have no clue where Dolores' body is. Alicia doesn't know. There's no clues in the van.
00:58:18
Speaker
The police next execute a search warrant on house 323 Alicia's original prison and There they found evidence in the trash can from her capture including duct tape That had Dolores's eyebrows and eyelashes and head hair all stuck to it Along with good chunks of her hair thrown in the trash where he had cut it along with you those pubic hairs mixed in and
00:58:44
Speaker
On February 22, 1987, a group of volunteers searched the woods for Dolores and eventually found the freshly disturbed spot and began dugging until they found the naked remains of 19-year-old Dolores Wells. An autopsy on her revealed immediately prior to her death she'd been brutally raped by an object that caused internal and external injuries to her rectum and vaginal cavities.
00:59:09
Speaker
The pathologist stated that Dolores's cause of death was aphyxia due to superglue that she had died exactly how Bill had told Alicia he'd killed them, basically. But there's still one question at this point you should have. Where are all the others? No, there's another question. Oh, OK. How the hell the police know Bill Hatter? Yeah.
00:59:33
Speaker
He just heard it over the police scan. Yeah. I'd like to know that. So approximately three weeks prior to where we're at right now on January 16th, the police had been informed by a confidential informant, which, uh, according to, if you read the, like the case files on this, um, the law trial and everything, the confidential informant was known to be reliable and credible in the past.
00:59:59
Speaker
had told the police that Alicia was with Bill and Bill had access to four different homes on the block and that Bill had been seen driving his van to the rear of his homes, picking up and dropping off Alicia. This is confidential informant. Later, the informant provided additional information to the police stating Bill now had two girls held against their will. And just to make sure this confidential informant
01:00:27
Speaker
wasn't all. The police were like, that wasn't all they had to go on here. The police gotta be his wife. Well, the police received two anonymous phone calls backing up the information the informant already given them. The confidential informant was Bill's sister-in-law and the anonymous phone callers was his wife.
01:00:48
Speaker
Marilyn had told her sister that she was suspicious that the girl Bill had at his house, the one that she talked to was Alicia. And then she thought her husband kidnapped her. And then when, when Dolores went missing, Marilyn never saw her, but knew in her gut, her husband was involved. Yeah. So as police went to execute that original search order to find Alicia and Dolores, they're parking outside the house. Bill's wife who lives, you know, two doors down walks up.
01:01:18
Speaker
and asked what's going on and the officer that she asked to was the officer that she reported to over the phone and recognized her voice and was like, hey, do you call this in? Yeah. And she was like, yeah, that's me. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. But here's my problem. Three weeks, the police had this information.
01:01:41
Speaker
And on the one hand, I get it that they can't just get a tip and act upon it. You can't just get a search warrant. Because you have to go through all the proper channels. Yep. But if they had acted on it quicker, Dolores wouldn't be dead. Yeah. They theoretically.
01:01:57
Speaker
could have gotten to her before Dolores was even taken. I mean, all the crime shows that we watch, they wake judges up for warrants. Yeah, I know, right? Olivia Benson. Side note, sorry, you guys have to hear this. So Frankie and I were watching this movie the other day. Yeah.
01:02:12
Speaker
It was some kind of, I don't even remember, I can't even remember what movie it is right now because I'm so upset, but we watched this movie and it's two, ah, skyscrapers, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, that's who it is, and one of his ex-army buddies and they show him and they were like hugging and they'd both been through this traumatic thing together with being blown up by a mime.
01:02:31
Speaker
And I was like, that asshole raped Olivia Benson. No, because it was the guy from SVU. Yeah. And I was like, I'm still trying to get over the fact that you just said they were blown up by a mime. Oh, oh, by a grenade thing. I got too excited. Mine. Mine. Mine would be people that don't speak and make boxes. Why don't you try to do that? I listen.
01:02:56
Speaker
Totally would make a box around myself. But I literally I was like, I was like, no, dangerous minds. He was like, yeah. And I was like, oh, we hate that guy. He was like, oh, I was like, he raped Olivia Benson. Like, I was so he ended up being a bad guy. And I was like, he's a dick and everything. You can't rape Olivia Benson and be a good person. No. Bottom line, you suck. The tiktok toe or tiktok toe, tiktok toe.
01:03:19
Speaker
I quit. All right. You know what? You get my skills over there. I will practice my mind skills. Thank you very much. You whore. Anyways, I've seen a TikTok that like went viral or whatever about a little girl that actually thought Olivia was a cop and ran to her because she was lost while they while they were shooting. How sweet. And she just picked her up and like did her due diligence. Right. She would. Yeah, she would. She would. Anyways. Yeah.
01:03:48
Speaker
So anyway, I don't know why I got off on that. That's totally fine. Because, you know, explosive mines are dangerous and we need to really make sure you don't step on them. Yeah. So anyways, I just it bothers me that they had it for three weeks and they could have saved a lower slot. Like it bothers me. But I understand. I mean, I'm serious. Like you have a tip like that. We're not standing in line at the DMV. OK, like this.
01:04:13
Speaker
You know what I mean? I don't want to sound like a douchebag or anything. And the next statement is definitely, I don't want to sound like a douchebag. And then you have hotlines where people call in a hundred different thousand leads, people are stupid, and then they claim to be. So I get it from a police standpoint, right? But hindsight.
01:04:31
Speaker
But the other thing that kind of I wonder in hindsight, which no shame to her, Marilyn told her sister, she reported it, but I have to wonder if she didn't do it anonymously and said, my husband, Bill Benefil, I'm pretty sure, like I wonder if they would have acted quicker if it wasn't so cloak and dagger and anonymous.
01:04:50
Speaker
Well, honestly, if she did what she needed to do. Right. And she did it in the way that made her feel safe. Right. And no shame to that. I was just going to say it is not a could she have given and you know, you don't even know in the in the police, she could have given the exact friggin address. Yeah. And be like, this is what I witnessed. I just it sucks that they they could have stopped it. Yeah.
01:05:12
Speaker
That that's that they did but and I understand that it's not like SBU and you can't just wake up judges or go to a fancy party and get them to sign off a warrant I get all that but hindsight is if they'd just been able to act quicker. Yeah Well, I mean honestly like we live in a world. Yeah full of real life and fiction and There are people out there who are assholes for a lack of a better word. Yeah who would just say it to say it and not
01:05:42
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? And so I know that the police have to do their due diligence. This is not the kind of case where I would sit there and look at the cops and be like, really? No, it just sucks. You pulled over Ted Bundy and let him go. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. I just hate it that I know that they knew when she was alive. During the investigation, after Bill was in custody, obviously police found out that Alicia and Dolores, surprise, surprise, were not his only our first victim.
01:06:09
Speaker
which we knew because he already told us about the scrapbook. Um, during the trial for the murder murder of Dolores, a witness known as Diana testified to her horrific experience she endured with Bill at 4 AM on November 23rd, 1978, about eight, eight years prior to Alicia Diane was awoken from sleep when she heard a noise in her house.
01:06:34
Speaker
She said she turned on her bedside lamp and there was a 22-year-old Bill standing there with a gun pointed at her head and a black schema mask covering her face. This is not a 22-year-old Bill. You said he was 30 when he abducted Alicia. This is eight years before, so 22.
01:06:49
Speaker
Dolores, the same girl. Sorry, this is Diana. I'm sorry, I heard Dolores. No, Diane. I'm sorry. He's at the murder. He's at murder trial for Diana and one of the people that testified was at the murder trial for Dolores. Diana testified about what happened her eight years. Sorry, I got myself confused. Um, so Bill took off the mask and asked Diana to give her all his money, just like he did with Alicia told her not to scream because if she did, he'd kill her. He then ordered her to go into a different bedroom where he tied her to the bed with an electrical cord.
01:07:19
Speaker
raped her, then forced her to perform oral sex on him. He then beat her and forced her downstairs where he covered her head with her own sweater, securing it with a belt, marched her out the back door of her house, and once outside Diana could feel that she was outside, freaked out, didn't care if he was going to kill her.
01:07:40
Speaker
decided to risk it and just started screaming like a freaking banshee, which scared Bill off because there's neighbors and he ran off. That's why she's alive. Diana called the police, but there were no leads or evidence until the arrest of Bill Benefil. Yeah.
01:07:55
Speaker
for the kidnapping, eight and murder of Alicia and Delores. Eight years later, Diane is just having a regular day when she sees his face in the newspaper and is finally able to identify the man that did that eight years ago. Another victim came forward after his arrest and told her story. We only know her as Mary. And I'm sure if that is her true name or not, they just said we'll call her Mary.
01:08:20
Speaker
And she testified at trial that on August 16th, 1980, she was walking across a parking lot when a man wearing a nylon mask and carrying a gun ran up from behind a building and grabbed her, forced her into a small shed type of building and immediately stripped her naked and performed oral sex on her, then raped her while holding a gun to her head. When he was done, he tied her up naked with her own clothes.
01:08:48
Speaker
and threw her into the trunk of his car where she stayed for a day and a half, tied up duct tape naked. He later removed her from the trunk, raped her again, put putty over her eyes like
01:09:03
Speaker
putty putty a floor or a house with putty and then put duct tape around it. He then forced her to perform oral sex on him, followed by anally raping her, then vaginally raped her and then started to beat her. As he was beating her, the putty started kind of flaking off and it just starts like sliding down her face. Yeah. So she was able to see Bill very briefly.
01:09:30
Speaker
Uh, he then shaved all the head off her hair, all the hair off her head. Sorry. Um, beat her again, telling her that he had raped between 20 to 30 women before. And most of them ended up in the river is what he's telling her is he's raping her. Okay.
01:09:47
Speaker
When he was done with her, he dumped her naked and bound body in a field. Mary was able to get free and run from help, but couldn't identify her attacker again. Then at trial, Alicia got up and testified against him. She told her entire story of torture and rape and was able to testify as a witness on stand to what had been done to Dolores. The judge allowed her to stand in for Dolores and give Dolores a story as a witness.
01:10:16
Speaker
Bill was found guilty, duh, of first degree murder. He was chained up to the back of a pickup and drug. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's how this is ending. That's how it's ending. He was found guilty of first degree murder and kidnapping and rape of Alicia. During sentencing, Bill had an expert testify that he was, he experienced
01:10:40
Speaker
Schizotypal personality disorder. Oh, okay. And people with this disorder. Well, God, guys, just let him go. Right. I can't believe he suffered so much. Right. People with this personality disorder are described as being odd or eccentric. They usually have few close relationships. They don't only understand relationships. Yeah. Sorry about the dogs, guys. The neighbors suck.
01:11:03
Speaker
Yeah, the neighbors are horrible. They also misinterpret others behaviors and motivations have a strong distrust of other people. As someone with this disorder, they tend to have particular beliefs and do not respond socially to cues.
01:11:18
Speaker
However, this is a personality disorder, not a mental illness is the important thing. A schizoid type of personality disorder is different than being diagnosed with schizophrenia. So like, we just, I don't like people. No. So when I find somebody irritating, can I just hit them? No.
01:11:38
Speaker
because that's personality disorder, not an illness. That's why he was not mentally ill. I bet he had a great childhood. Yes. But his lawyer used this as a reason why he should not be given the death penalty. Oh, for crying out loud. Also, he was adopted or as he told it, sold. His birth mother sold him to a brothel owner and he was physically and sexually abused by his mother's boyfriends, supposedly.
Bill's Execution and Public Reaction
01:12:03
Speaker
Even with all this, the jury sentenced Bill Bennifield to death by lethal injection.
01:12:08
Speaker
Unfortunately, this became a media circus for those against the death penalty to rally and picket the sentencing due to his traumatic upbringing and mental defect. What I find particularly just a grievous and a slap in the face is if you Google this case, you don't get like, where's Alicia now?
01:12:34
Speaker
You don't get her story of standing up and looking the monster that tortured her for five months, what she lived through and telling her story. You don't get Dolores. You don't get all these women's stories. You get him, all these things, trying to get him off death row. Like I feel like that's an additional slap in the face. However, even with all the fanfare, Bill Benafil was scheduled to be executed April 21st, 2005. Okay.
01:13:02
Speaker
This was a day he spent watching TV. He had a final meal of pizza and a sub sandwich and a Coke. When his execution time came up, Dolores' mother was waiting there at the prison. And while they wouldn't, she was there even though she wasn't allowed like to view the death, they didn't have a room for her to view the lethal injection. Was Alicia there? I don't know, just said Dolores' mother. I just kind of feel like I'd want to see, I'd want to know the monster's gone.
01:13:32
Speaker
Well, no, I would want to be like, hey, what button do we push? Bill, would you like your death to be fast? Right. Or slow? Right. Slow and painful. And then chain him up. Mm hmm. And dragon. Yep. Dolores' mother made the statement. He was there for her last breath. So I want to be there for his. I want to be as close as I can and know for sure this monster is gone and he will never
01:14:01
Speaker
ever again hurt anyone else, ever again. So she just wanted to be in the building he died in. Yeah. Which kudos I would too. Yeah. When asked if he had any last words or statements, Bill's last words were, let's get this over with. Let's do it. The end. Awesome. He died. She lived. It was really fast. He shouldn't have died that fast. Yeah. I like you're giving him a choice. I'm just saying.
01:14:29
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like, okay. So when I was, uh, I used to work at a daycare forever ago. Yeah. And one of the women that I worked for always said, you know, when I talk about putting a kid in timeout or, you know, doing, you know, I give advice to parents at home, like what should you do? Yeah.
01:14:51
Speaker
And she was like, the only thing I ever have to say to most people is does the punishment fit? And right here, right now, I can honestly say the punishment did not fit the price. No. Because they get it. I mean, I know they're dead. Not with what he put her through. And honestly, I think the only person that it would make feel better probably is me.
01:15:11
Speaker
Right, because, oh, yeah, he was tortured before he died. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, now he was in prison for 10, 15 years. Yeah, of course he is, because you can appeal it 100 million thousand bazillion times. I mean, I've got to I've got to hope and pray that he got his in prison. Yeah. But she lived. You said you'd be upset if she did and she did. I am glad.
01:15:34
Speaker
The super glue thing really stuck with me. That's not even just that. I couldn't imagine rebuilding after that. No. And then my biggest question, 100% number one question. She was pregnant. I think they never mentioned it again. I think that because the doctor told her if they had sex, it would
01:15:55
Speaker
So you think she probably I think she miscarried because he raped her. I think she miscarried. He raped her every single day he had her. Yeah. She wasn't eating. She was given one potato a day. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's no nourishment. There's none. I don't think the baby could have lived. I mean, again, do as much googling as you can. You can only find all the petitions to let the scumbag live.
01:16:19
Speaker
And Alicia's probably still alive because she was only 17. I wouldn't want to be in the limelight at all anymore. No, I wouldn't either for me. I don't ask questions. I testified. I did my due diligence. Let me live. I don't want to be reminded of it all the time. Hell no.
01:16:35
Speaker
But
Discussion on Trauma and Resilience
01:16:36
Speaker
that's my story. That was she's yawning. So it wasn't that entertaining. No, I'm sorry. I'm just physically and emotionally exhausted. Oh, yeah. I got that's crazy. And I just hate like all of it. Yeah. All of it to such an extent of like 85 percent of what we talk about, because sometimes that like we'll have a case and we're just like, yeah, you know,
01:17:00
Speaker
Yeah, never had a chance. Yeah. You know, and you know, you can't find a great deal about his background. I mean, he said that he was sold to his mom's boyfriends, abused him. None of that was able to be like proven. They didn't want to think about it so many different sides to that. But even if you were be better than what you were, like be be better than what happened to you. That doesn't give you a license to be a piece of crap because you had a sad childhood. Yeah.
01:17:29
Speaker
Do you remember that show on MTV like eons ago when we were younger? It was called Boiling Point. Yeah. And they would they would put people in situations to make it to see how long it took them to be furious. Flip out. Yeah. And I feel like that's like this scenario. Yeah. Like you play your cards just right. Mm hmm. And then that's that's the future. Yeah.
01:17:55
Speaker
And so you could literally go back between parents, grandparents, great grandparents. The world in general just needs to do better. Right. I'm about to have a really uncomfortable conversation with my kid here in a little bit. It's not going to be fun.
01:18:12
Speaker
She got to do it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I have uncomfortable conversations with my kid all the time. When her duck died, she found out and 30 minutes later had to go to school because you know what? The road wall doesn't stop for you because you're having a bad day. Correct. So, and that's what I tell her all the time when she's like, why? Nope. Everybody else doesn't have to do that. I'm not their parents. I'm not preparing them for the real world. It's not my responsibility to prepare them. It's my responsibility to prepare you to be an acceptable member of society and to do the right thing and to have a moral compass. Yeah.
01:18:41
Speaker
That is what I am supposed to do. That is what I'm doing. Yeah. And I'm sorry other parents suck. That's what I tell her. I love you. Therefore, if you're punished, you're grounded. If I didn't care, I'd let you go be a little hoebag. Yeah. But the world doesn't evolve around you. It hasn't. It never does. And her favorite phrase right now is that's not fair.
01:19:02
Speaker
life isn't fair, sweet cheeks. So get used to it now. You got to dig and scratch and work your way up for anything you're going to get. So best start now and get ahead of the curve. Like that's all I can tell you.
01:19:14
Speaker
It's not applicable to people that live miserable existences because their parents are horrible, but I'm just like, I don't know. Like I said, there's always a catch-22, but when it comes to a situation like this, like, I just feel like you stick a needle in their arm. It's not, yeah. That's just not, that's not it. Like, I know they're dead. I know that everything is over and they're a hundred percent gone and they'll never do it to anybody else again. Yeah. But the emotional, physical, mental torture. Yeah.
01:19:42
Speaker
that she still probably deals with. Right. Like you want to talk about PTSD. Probably pretty chronic. Every day. Yeah. How do you ever have sex again? Yeah. And not have a flashback. Right.
01:19:55
Speaker
Like, I know people are able to do it, but every day for five months, sometimes multiple times a day, like... She may never have. Like, you don't even know. I couldn't. I don't think I could. You would have to trust somebody on such a physical, emotional, spiritual level. And I don't think I could ever trust someone again though. That's my thing. How do you find good in people when you've seen the worst?
01:20:17
Speaker
I agree. I mean, people, Emily Smart goes around, gives talks and, you know, tries to do better and find the good in the world. And I'm just thinking if I lived through it, man, I would be in a hole and miserable for the rest of my life because I would dwell and I would just like go nuts. Yeah. There's a lot of people that have victim mentality like we were talking earlier. Yeah.
01:20:40
Speaker
How they don't, like the ones that don't and make the world better astonishes me. Like good on them, like in a good way. But you've got people who literally like- Their cowboy up is at like a million percent. Yeah, you live through that and you're a better person. Meanwhile, you got Joe Blow down the street who doesn't get to buy a brand new Ferrari so the world's out to screw him. Like you're not the same.
01:21:06
Speaker
Yeah. Your trauma's not the same. Yeah. All right.
Neighborhood Disputes and Humorous Closing
01:21:10
Speaker
So why don't we end this on a different note tonight? Sure. Apparently you got something. I do. Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen. I don't know what this is. Sorry. I don't remember. We got to get a little quiet. Okay. Right. I don't remember if we ever discussed new neighbors on on the back. I know you know.
01:21:25
Speaker
I know you're crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That was probably shouldn't have said it like that, but that's fine. It's fine. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions, whatever they all have. Anyways, there we have this like, you know, four foot gap of grass between two homes. My home with the privacy fits. Oh, no, we have. Yes, we have. There's a privacy. We have a privacy fence.
01:21:50
Speaker
on our yard in between the two driveways. Yeah. It's like maybe four feet barely grass or planted. Yeah, you will. And they wanted to plant evergreen trees and for privacy. And I ask you people, they want to plant baby evergreen trees. They want to put saplings, though, like small trees. Yeah, it's not going to grow in their lifetime.
01:22:19
Speaker
Calm down. Calm down. We have to be quiet. We have to be quiet. It's not logical. It bothers me. Yes, it's not logical.
01:22:25
Speaker
But yes, they wanted to put ones that would get large. Right. But not in their lifetime. In a four foot span between two things. First of all, I'm sitting here thinking like route system wise, you're going to destroy your driveway. You're going to destroy my driveway. And those things are going to get all over your car. Everything. Sap. Right. Leaves. So it was said to. But not for this generation. So it was said to this neighbor. I don't think I like that idea, which is kind of. Has he planted them? I didn't notice. Okay. Um, but his dog.
01:22:54
Speaker
is roaming around all the time. Right. We've talked about this. We've talked about better than a lady getting a meal behind you. The birds are garbage. The dog is a good dog. Yeah. Sweet dog. I don't think he would attack a soul. Probably. I don't know. I don't mind if he wants to come into my driveway off leash and come say hi. OK. What I don't want is him to take a giant dump in the front yard with his blood. It's annoying. Yeah. And I don't you know, I don't I don't want to pick up shit. So yeah.
01:23:23
Speaker
We, you know, kind of like, you know, give them a little nudge. Not sure I like this evergreen trees. Kept the dog thing kind of quiet. Right. Right. Is what it is. Trying to be decent neighbors. Legitimate told us our daughter sleeps in the in the bedroom right next to the driveway. Right. The window over there. Like if you could see it. Yeah. Bedroom. His driveway. Our driveway. Yeah. Drive.
01:23:47
Speaker
vehicles. Yes. Correct. Okay. Could you kindly not rev the dirt bikes after six o'clock? I don't get home till five. On a good day. On a good day. No track. And so if I want to take my dirt bike out, I can ride for 10 minutes in my front lawn, my backyard.
01:24:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's what he's saying. Yeah, I find I find the players and then I got super obsessed again with fear thy neighbor And I'm just sitting here because you've got neighbors telling you dude Tony We sitting on the back porch yesterday. One of the chickens jumped the fence on the other side. Oh, no Yeah, not our fence note because we got a six foot freaking stockade fence hanging up over here Yeah, and it just kept getting closer and closer to the road and I was like, yeah somebody hit it. Yeah
01:24:32
Speaker
You don't advocate the injury to animals, but the chickens stink, y'all. But it would go from like 80 to 79, and that is so wise. She lives in a whole area. I don't have too much time on my hand, people. And the lady behind them burned their trash and leaves setting other trees on fire. Yeah. And they've got a menagerie, a hound that you've heard this whole episode, I'm sure. Roosters that crow, chickens, and now she wants a mule.
01:25:01
Speaker
No, no, she doesn't want to be. Story story was I wanted to get a donkey. Oh, I just he wanted just to piss everybody off. But then another friend of ours was like, dude, if you got a donkey, they would seriously be like, oh, my God, that's the cutest donkey I've ever seen. We could be donkey neighbors. Well, then maybe they'd like you. So you're recording them to police all the time. I don't need to be like I don't need to be like I did not call the police. OK.
01:25:27
Speaker
Not called just because you didn't call 911. You still called the non-emergency number because they were burning trash. Yeah, called the fire department. OK, non-emergency number and said, hey, nobody is witnessing the fire. The fire is there. Nobody is saying she means tending after she witnessed. Yes, I did. I did. There's nobody around her. She didn't even have a hose. The dog took off the mic. Sorry, guys.
01:25:55
Speaker
Let's let Lisa bad mouth other people for their animals. Hold on. Let's go. Yeah, we will. Look, he's a year old and he's dumb. OK, he's older than a year. You got him at six months. You've had him for like a year, not six months.
01:26:08
Speaker
He was one year old, October 22nd. Yeah, little over a year, sorry. Hate to burst your bubble, lifesaver queen. You eat your gummies. You guys have a great night. You can listen to me banter on another evening if you want to, or you have possibly, yeah, oh my God. Do you really have to, I at least tried to end it with a halfway amusing story. I'm gonna go rev my dirt bikes. You guys have a great night. God bless.
01:26:59
Speaker
Talk to you later. Bye.