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The Massachusetts Boy Torturer - Jesse Pomeroy
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In this episode, Faith is taking us back to the 1800’s to tell the story of Jesse Pomeroy who preyed on the young boys in Chelsea Mass. This awful story starts the day after Christmas and continues as the crimes are more and more disturbing. Listeners you have been warned.
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Transcript
Reflecting on Last Summer's Schedule
00:00:04
Speaker
Well, hello and welcome to another episode of Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa. And we are here. Yeah. Do you know that I randomly started like thinking I can't believe it was just last year that we were doing like two episodes a week each on our summer series because two summers ago. Yeah.
00:00:22
Speaker
I was thinking how glad I was we weren't doing that again. Well, all of the preamble that I was going to do is going to be at the end of this episode, which you will understand at the end. So I ain't got nothing for
Missing Child Cases in Nashville and Alabama
00:00:34
Speaker
the beginning. And I probably should have said that before we were recording, but we're recording now. Oh, okay. You could have thrown that one out there. That's why I said, thanks. I can honestly say though, I feel like the world's gone mad. Oh my gosh. This poor kid now that's missing in Nashville.
00:00:49
Speaker
And then, like, I actually watched a take-off about how the parents have been so, like, they left Missouri. I think it was Missouri. I could be wrong. That's fine. But, like, the day he was reported, they traveled there. They've been in Nashville since. Yeah. They're, like, pleading to help do whatever. So many people in Nashville. And the parents from Alabama that lost their autistic boy, the 14-year-old boy, haven't done, like, anything. And I'm like, huh.
00:01:15
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, she kind of just like pretty much like you're just horrible parents. I mean, I try not to judge the grieving process because everyone grieves differently. But I don't feel like there is a grieving where you're just like, they're gone. Right? Yeah, I don't feel like that's ever the appropriate response. But like, I feel like I'd be moving now.
00:01:35
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I don't even care if I don't take an interview. I don't care. My actions would be displayed. Yeah. Like I'd be frantic and searching. There's just too much of this going on right now. And then that whole Nickelodeon special that dropped. Yes. I still haven't watched it because you didn't give me your password. I didn't have a chance, dude. Literally when I got back to work, it was just go, go, go. I told you about that and then never watched it. But we are going to do a
Upcoming Nickelodeon Recording
00:01:58
Speaker
recording on that. We are.
00:01:59
Speaker
Yes, we are great. We talked about this on the phone yesterday morning. I will say in an update to last episode, I have listened to every single podcast that I had saved for your chick.
00:02:15
Speaker
Oh, yes. I wanted to call her Naomi and any of that was wrong. So she did not attack her husband in the trailer that they were staying in when she got that. It was just, they stayed there for three days and it had a fully furnished kitchen with knives and
A Woman Allegedly Eats Her Husband
00:02:32
Speaker
everything. And they went on and on about how like, how can you go to sleep at night knowing that she cooked and ate her last husband and I'm sleeping and their knives right over there.
00:02:42
Speaker
I don't understand what motivates people. And I don't think I want to try anymore. Nope. I want to be honest. I'm just going to look at them and be like, well, you're, you're dumb. That's all I got for you, man. Sorry. That's the best advice I have. I thought I would put myself in the dark. And it was a 911 call from a guy or whatever who is trying to pet a lion through an enclosure. No, I'm sorry. It was a tiger. Big difference. And, um, tiger got his arm.
00:03:12
Speaker
and he's calling 911 begging for help. Like it's all on the call. He's like, somebody needs to get here and kill this thing. Kill it. You stuck your head in. Which one do we, do we rid the population of utter stupidity and keep the tiger or I'm sure the tiger ended up losing his life. That's normally how it goes. That's not.
00:03:32
Speaker
Like something jumps into the into the freaking
Man Attempts to Pet a Tiger
00:03:35
Speaker
gorilla habitat. Yeah. Like it's one. That's like someone who can't swim jumping into the deep end of a pool, drowning and they like concrete over the pool because the pool killed them. The pool did not kill him. His stupidity. Yeah. Yeah. You should have taken IQ test to be in public. Oh, I agree. But I don't know how well I do.
00:04:00
Speaker
to say. Anyways, those are that's my rambling moments. Those are. I just wanted to say the tiger thing because I'm just sitting here thinking you want it dead to let it go of your arm. You stuck in a cage.
Historical Crime in Chelsea, Massachusetts
00:04:12
Speaker
I feel like if your arm.
00:04:15
Speaker
What do you think was going to happen when you stuck your hand in there? He just wanted to pet the kitty. He said pretty kitty. And obviously adult enough to call 911 to ask for help. So like he's not in any way like mentally disabled. Like he was literally begging for his life. I don't understand people. Here kitty kitty. Oh my gosh.
00:04:44
Speaker
This one this one move I would actually really want to kind of find it after and be like this kid keep his arm Like I just I feel like I want to know if the tiger was killed I don't feel like that's Tiger's fault Yeah, anybody that's looking for a fun show to watch you can always deter back to old-school Oh
00:05:03
Speaker
Yeah, the obsession. Yeah, deadly obsession, deadly obsession, deadly, deadly attraction, deadly attraction. That's the one where they had all those like exotic pets that ended up maiming or killing or eating them. Yeah. And they're like, I don't know what happened. The 800 pound snake's been fired up till now. Now it's 800. Do you know my my kid was telling me about why that how
00:05:27
Speaker
I don't even know where she comes up with this stuff. I don't even know why we were talking about it, but we were driving home from school this week. And she's like, Mom, did you know cats will eat your body if you die in a house like what? But yeah, I think that's any animal that doesn't get fed. So that's just apparently cats with big culprits of it. Yeah, they're going to eat you. Evil black cats.
00:05:50
Speaker
Well, all right. I've already am longing for the story after what you've been grinning, but you got here. I know that we're not going to be friends for at least four days afterwards. Is it going to be a cartoon night? Yes, you're going to need to make a fort and color underneath the fort for a while. All right. Well, here we go. All right. Well, we are going in the way back machine.
00:06:18
Speaker
and the way, way back machine tonight. Well, people back then were really f'ed up, so. Yeah. So our story is going to go back to a cold, blistery December 26, 1871 in Chelsea, Massachusetts. Chelsea is located across the river from Boston, which I'm sure you know, and it is 4.6 miles away and roughly a 12 minute drive considering traffic on any given day.
00:06:48
Speaker
according to the Google machine. So right there by a big bustling city, basically, which I don't care if it's 1871, Boston, Boston. Right. So on this day, December 26th, day after Christmas, two unidentified men, we don't know who they are, are walking and they hear this faint noise coming from this old nasty outhouse on top of Powderhorn Hill, which sits just on the outskirts of Chelsea.
00:07:16
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I don't know where these places are. I'm assuming you do. Cause you grew up in Boston. I mean, I haven't been there in like 30 years. So, um, I just gave away my age or anytime you've been to Boston since I've met you and I have, yeah, I haven't known you that way. Just go to like the same, same three places. Right. So the men approach the outhouse and I mean, it's an outhouse. It's a small wooden structure that's filled with shit and piss.
00:07:42
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It's not gonna smell good. It's nasty. Right. So when they open the door, they're expecting to find probably like an animal trapped in there or something. It's just a small little noise they've heard. And they are shocked when they instead encounter a half naked young boy looking to be around the ages of three or four, hanging by his wrist from a roof beam with rope that is wrapped around his wrist.
00:08:11
Speaker
His mouth is a bluish purple. Again, it's December 26th, the Massachusetts. So he's bordering on hypothermia. His little eyes are closed and his body hung limp. The only reason these two men knew that the boy was even still alive was the small whimpering noises he's making.
00:08:33
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involuntarily. His torso is bare and discolored. And as his body was kind of there, they see his back, which is covered in massive welts. The men took out a knife and immediately cut the little boy from the beam. However, due to how traumatized the boy was, and quite frankly, just his age, he couldn't give them any information at all. And he honestly didn't even speak to these two men that just saved him.
00:09:04
Speaker
Um, would you? No, you have no idea what just happened to you. You're too young to even conceive what just happened to you. Correct. The little boy was identified eventually to be four year old Billy Payne. However, he was never able to help the investigators or tell them who hurt him, what had happened on this day. So there are no leads or no information.
00:09:26
Speaker
So the person who did this to this four year old little boy on February 21st, 1872, a few months later, three months later, uh, I'm sorry, two months after Billy's attack, the parents of Tracy, hate Tracy Hayden contacted the police when they just contact the police saying, we need you to come to our house now.
00:09:47
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So when the police arrive at the house, there's already a doctor in the residence treating little Tracy. They see the doctor treating this little boy who called the cops, Tracy's parents, Tracy's parents called and said, I need you to come. The police get there. There's already a doctor inside.
00:10:03
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And they find this doctor treating little Tracy who's laying on his belly with a swollen eye, a broken nose. His upper lip was split open and his front teeth were busted out of his mouth. And when he talked to the police, this is what he told them. I was playing outside when a big boy with brown hair came and asked if I wanted to go to Powderhorn Hill and see the soldiers.
00:10:28
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Tracy in fact wanted to go see the soldiers because apparently that was a big thing then I don't know if the soldiers did like drills or whatever but that's what powder him horn was so he goes to see he goes with the big boy to go see the soldiers he's very excited about this and as they're walking there
00:10:47
Speaker
they are walking closer to a little building and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Tracy said he was overpowered by the assailant and forced into this small house. Is that how old he was? The outhouse. How old he was. Tracy. I don't think so yet. I might have that, I might not. The quote-unquote big boy after forcing Tracy into this outhouse
00:11:16
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stripped him of his clothes and stuffed a handkerchief into his mouth, tied his hands and feet to the roof beam. Once Tracy was tied up,
00:11:24
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This is again what Tracy's telling the cops. Once he was tied up, the big boy started whipping him with a stick and then got in his face and told him, I'm going to cut off your penis. The assailant then proceeded to attempt this, but was unable to remove the boy's penis. However, did leave lasting scar damage to his genitalia. Even after talking to Tracy, the police still had nothing to go on for the assailant of Billy and Tracy, who they're assuming is the same person.
00:11:54
Speaker
They're too young to really give anything important, and literally the best description they have is, the big boy. And that's not really enough to kick start an investigation. And one of the- She would tell me that Trace is probably too young to really- Does that mean like an older boy than him? Does that mean a fat person? Does that mean a tall person? Like there's nothing- That's what I'm saying, like not descriptive. No, and it's the 1800s. There's nothing to like, there's no forensic evidence. Yeah.
00:12:23
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So the police still literally, they're at a loss. On May 20th, 1872, three months later, an eight-year-old boy named Robert was playing outside when approached by another person and asked if he wanted to go to the circus. Well, guess what? Robert did want to go to the circus. And as they started walking to the circus, they walked up Powderhorn Hill and
00:12:48
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passed a pawn and all of a sudden the older boy grabbed Robert and tried to push him into the pawn, which Robert was able to resist. He's older than the other two boys. I mean, we're talking like I think four and I want to say Tracy was five or six. So he's older, he's bigger in stature. And so he's like able to kind of knock him free and just said, what are you doing? Why would you? What are you doing?
00:13:12
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To which the older boy grabbed something nearby, we're assuming a stick and knocked Robert upside the head onto the ground, stunning him. Robert was then grabbed and drug to the nearby outhouse, stripped of his clothes. A large cork was stuffed into his mouth, acting like a gag. And it was described, it was like a milk cork. So it was like a big cork. Like he put it in his mouth and the kid couldn't, you know, probably fit behind his teeth.
00:13:39
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acting like a gag. He then tied the boy up with clothesline to a post in the outhouse. The assailant started laughing and jumping around like it was a fun game almost and started to torture Robert.
00:13:55
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He would, throughout this laughing and jumping and torturing, pull the cork out of Robert's mouth and try to get him to say bad words such as, kiss my ass, prick, or shit. And as the torture continued, he would pull the cork out and say, say, kiss my ass. And Robert wouldn't, so he'd put the cork back in his mouth and beat him some more, pull the cork out.
00:14:20
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say prick you know yeah and we're the 1800s these are these are bad words right for a little boy in a god-fearing country um so as the torture continued on robert he would later describe that the assailants breathing would become labored as he got more excited and then the kid
00:14:42
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put his hand down his pants and started touching himself. And after a few minutes of this, the boy let out a loud moan, leaned onto the wall and immediately just calmed right down. Once he calmed down, he cut Robert from his restraints, ordered him to get dressed and just be on your way. So at this point, we are at three attacks in half a year, all on three young children and all of Boston knows.
00:15:08
Speaker
They're on high alert. The Boston Globe ran a report saying that the public are considerably excited, quote unquote, from what they described as a fiendish boy who was violently attacking younger children. And that's all they could, I mean, that's all they got. Everybody just kept saying this big guy, this big kid, this big boy, brown hair, like there's, it's just nothing. So then on June 22nd, 1870, 18,
00:15:35
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82, two months after Robert's attack, a seven year old boy, a seven year old little boy named
Jesse Pomeroy's Identified as the Culprit
00:15:42
Speaker
Johnny was just being a little boy. It was a summer day. He had pancakes for breakfast. Then what do you do when you're done back in the day? You go outside and play till you're called for dinner. He ate a big pancake breakfast. He went outside to play with his friends for a couple hours before it's about time. Sun's starting to go down. Need to get home for dinner.
00:16:04
Speaker
Um, he's walking slowly back to his house, startling, just, you know, do, do, do probably knew he had to take a bath and didn't want to just wasting time. Not his way. He passed Polly's toy shop. So of course, as a child, he has to stop, press his little hands and his little face and look into the window so he could see if they still had his very favorite toy that he just wanted with all his heart, a captain kids castle.
00:16:30
Speaker
And there it is. It's still outside of his price range at the whopping price of $2, but he wants it and he's just looking at it. So as he's got his little face pressed against this window, he is tapped on a shoulder by a stranger asking the boy, Hey, do you want to earn some money?
00:16:49
Speaker
you know, come back and buy one of these toys and said, I've got a friend who's got a lot of money and he'll pay you just for running errands for him. Sound good? Johnny seven sounds amazing. He can buy all those toys. Yeah.
00:17:04
Speaker
So, they go start walking to this man with all the money up towards Powderhorn Hill. Of course. As Donnie is walking past a brickyard on his way, he's suddenly attacked and grabbed by the stranger and dragged by his shirt to a nearby outhouse. With the door being slammed behind them, Johnny is told by this stranger that if he makes any noise at all, I'm gonna kill you, which I just have to say. Let's just gonna pause the story right now.
00:17:33
Speaker
I have a problem. The first attack was December 26. We are now at June 22nd. That's literally six months. It's the same damn outhouse and you don't have one person staking out the damn outhouse. Right. You got all these soldiers on the hill. Why? Yeah. Like if you're this outraged, put someone by the outhouse. Yeah. It's the same outhouse people. Yeah.
00:17:56
Speaker
Like that makes no sense. You got soldiers half a mile away. Yeah. Make a battalion stand closer to the outhouse. Just tear down the outhouse. No, I know yours is better to stake it out. I'm just saying, though. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, Johnny's told the strip naked and if you make a noise, I'm going to kill you. The stranger tore off Johnny's clothes, took a rope out of his pocket, which tells me this was a thought out plan.
00:18:26
Speaker
and tied Johnny's hands together. He then tossed the rope over the beam and the ceiling and hoisted Johnny into the air. The stranger then took off his belt and began to flog Johnny. He, because the kids literally hanging by his wrist off this beam so his body's just swaying and he's beating him with this belt like a whip.
00:18:46
Speaker
He beat his back, he beat his stomach, he beat his thighs, he beat his butt. However, he took special interest to flog Johnny's genitalias with the spell. During this, the stranger's breathing again got heavier and heavier throughout the beating as he exerted more energy until he let out a loud moan and just dropped the belt, the whole incident.
00:19:10
Speaker
I'm just trying to figure out how big this outhouse is. I mean, it's got to be a decent size. I mean, you've got a post that he tied one kid to. You've got the beams. And then if you've got, you know. Because he has to be able to swing. I'm just thinking like new outhouse, right? Like when we think of outhouse, we think of like teeny tiny, like you can barely stand in like a porta potty. And I feel like this was a little bigger. Yeah.
00:19:37
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And I mean, I guess you got to think back in the day, if a woman had to use an outhouse, all those skirts and petticoats and whatnot. I don't know. It had to be big enough for him to actually swing this belt from the way it was described because he swung this belt. Yeah. So, um, the whole incident, the whole beating, flogging, moaning only took in real time, about 10 minutes.
00:20:03
Speaker
But I'm sure to the seven year old little boy, it was his entire life. The stranger then took a knife and cut the ropes, which were suspending Johnny into the air. So he just fell to the ground in a heap. And the creepy stranger then told Johnny, if you leave the outhouse, I'm going to come back and I'm going to slice your throat open with this knife. So Johnny stayed in the outhouse. He was left naked and on the floor of the outhouse in the summer heat.
00:20:29
Speaker
in June in Boston, Massachusetts. I don't know how hot that is, but I'm assuming hot, hot depends. Well, he was left in the state for two hours when a man by the name of Frank walked by and heard the faint cries of a little boy. So Frank opened the door to the outhouse and saw a semi conscience, little semi conscious little Johnny laying on the
00:20:53
Speaker
the ground with his body already just covered in bruises that are coming up. Um, when the police questioned Johnny, again, there's no additional information really. So now we are four attacks on four young boys all under the eight. Eight is the oldest and literally not a speck of anything to go on. So the people of the area are done. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about that.
00:21:23
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not gonna talk about that. Well, no matter what the people, what the police and the authorities thought, the people in the area were done. They weren't gonna wait on the police anymore and they started their own vigilante groups in the neighborhoods. I think this is where neighborhood watch came from. Except they were loaded with guns and they were gonna find this
00:21:47
Speaker
as he was termed in the media, boy torture, because that's what was splashed around. That was his name, the boy torture. So the neighborhood banded together and they were going to find him and they were going to, because quite frankly, you've got four little boys in six months that have been viciously beaten and abused in the same outhouse. Yeah. Give me a gun. I can fix your problem in the next 30 days. Yeah, back then that's not guarantee. Oh no. No, it would have just been a legit.
00:22:14
Speaker
Oh yeah. So in August of 1872, seven year old little George Pratt was outside playing, walking along the beach in South Boston Bay. He was just walking slowly, dawdling, looking for treasures. Um, he couldn't really play with his friends. He was, he just, he was recovering from having the German measles. So he was a little sickly still, got out of breath easily, just not healthy enough to go run and play with the boys. So he's just by himself looking for treasures.
00:22:43
Speaker
walking around. And while on this walk, George suddenly realizes there's someone else with him now walking beside him. Um, this other person told George he needed help with an errand and offered to pay George 25 cents for his troubles. And George said, sure, I can do that. Um, so George was then led to abandoned boat house.
00:23:05
Speaker
To to get things around the errand and once inside George has hit upside the head really hard and a dirty handkerchief to stuffed inside his mouth and then he stripped naked his ankles and wrists were bound with ropes and This stranger started to taunt him saying you've told me three lies now. I'm gonna lick you three times Okay, and he meant like you're gonna take a lickin. Yeah, you're gonna get your ass. Yeah, I
00:23:32
Speaker
So George is completely shocked. Number one, George has no strength. He's recovering from being sick. Number two, he has no idea who this person is. Number three, he is now naked, tied up with this person, saying, I'm going to beat you up. So the kid is shocked and the more scared George seemed to become.
00:23:53
Speaker
The more animated and excited his attacker seemed to become as well. The boy torturer took off his belt and started to dance around the space as he flogged George with the belt. When that got tiring, he started kicking George. He kicked him in the head, he kicked him in the stomach, he kicked him between the legs over and over and over again.
00:24:16
Speaker
And then the boy torture took his hands and dug his fingernails as deep as he could into George's flesh and would just scrape down over and over trying to like gouge out grooves in his skin basically. And then he bent his head and leaned in close to George's face like he was going to say something to him.
00:24:38
Speaker
But instead bit off, bit into his cheek and ripped a piece of Georgia's flesh off with his teeth. Well, it's. Yeah, it's George. I just I don't I don't. Yeah, I believe that this is a kid. That's the thing. You don't know. All you're told is this big kid, this big guy, this brown hair. Yeah, I guess you don't. They call him the boy torture only because he's torturing the story where he pushed the eight year old and he's like, dude, what are you doing?
00:25:07
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. All right. Yeah. So at this point, George is starting to lose consciousness during the torture at times. And every time you start to lose consciousness, his attacker would slap him across the face to wait, keep him awake. Maybe start to pass out. He'd smack him. I mean, the kid's been sick. Yeah. Serious sick. He's been beaten. I mean, he's losing blood. He doesn't have a lot of fight. And he's only seven. So the attacker would slap him across the face every time to wake him back up.
00:25:35
Speaker
Then worse yet, the attacker pulled out a long sewing needle from his pocket and proceeded to poke this needle in and out of George's body over and over, like push the needle in all the way, pull it out, push it in all the way, pull it out over and over again, including his penis. Of course. And he at one time attempted to pry George's eyelids open to poke the needle into his eyeball.
00:26:05
Speaker
but was unable to get George's eyes open because he was hanging. While George did attempt to fight his attacker off and he was trying to kick and trying to hit with what little strength his body had left and he would kind of spin, you know, all of a sudden he felt this like horrendous, just burning pain on his butt. And that was,
00:26:31
Speaker
because at that point the attacker bent and bit his ass cheek and ripped out a hunk of flesh from his right ass cheek. What? Eventually, the boy torturer was done, apparently, a few hours later and just left George like that. He was done, just left him, had my fun. A few hours later, fishermen came into the abandoned building and found little George and he was rushed to the hospital.
00:26:59
Speaker
At this time, the public is not done. They are outraged and furious. They want someone to pay for these crimes. Yeah. It's not a we're not going to talk about it. These are little boys. It's a what the hell. Yeah. Except it's Boston. So F bombs are probably being dropped everywhere. Yeah. The police are under tremendous pressure to find the boy torture and bring him to obviously.
00:27:26
Speaker
And it was, they determined that the assailant had to be mentally slow or ill, their words. People minded, right? Yep, because no one in their right mind would be doing this to little boys, obviously.
00:27:39
Speaker
Yeah. So they rounded up, in their words, every half-wooded boy in the greater Boston area to interview and still nothing. Like they've got like literally this was the only play they had and it was a dud. So on September, in September 1872, the boy torture struck again. And if you haven't noticed, every attack is getting worse. So in September,
00:28:08
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A six-year-old little boy named Harry Austin was lured to an area under a railroad bridge on the south side of Boston. Once there, BT, who is what I term the boy torture, because that's a lot of words to say, so I just started calling him BT. Once there, BT stripped him of his clothes, beat him mercilessly, then pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed Harry. He stabbed him under each of his arms. He stabbed him between the shoulder blades.
00:28:38
Speaker
And the whole time he's stabbing him, he is laughing and giggling and cursing. Then he grabbed Harry's penis and attempted to cut it off with the pocket knife, which he halfway succeeded. And all of this Harry at six years old managed to survive. Six days later, seven year old Joseph Kennedy was learned. He's just getting too big for his britches like his his.
00:29:06
Speaker
This was out in the open. This was under a bridge. Yeah. No way. I mean, not even just that, but he's doing it more often. Yeah. Oh yeah. We're, we're seven days. We're a week now or sorry, six days under a week, six days later, seven year old boy named Joseph Kennedy was lured by a big boy near the salt marshes of South Austin Bay. Okay. Can I just pause for you pause the way because I'm just sitting here thinking to myself, you've been abnormally quiet this episode. Well, yeah, it's cause I'm like kind of annoyed, but.
00:29:36
Speaker
Also, I'm kind of in a lot of pain tonight, so bear with me. So I feel like at this point, my son being around that age, I'd have drilled it into his head. Yeah. You're not going with anybody. I don't care if you know him or not. Yeah, you're going nowhere until this is solved. Yeah, you're not leading my sight. If you're playing out front, I'm going to be out front, too. I'm not helicopter mom to the nuts. Oh, yeah.
00:30:05
Speaker
I don't know. I'm sure things were different back then, but I can't. And I'm sure kids are clever too. Yeah. But as a mom, I go and I'm like, I'm going to go like take a dump or something. And my son's like, well, I want to go outside. So he just goes, I don't know. I don't know how things work, but I'm just saying, had it been me in that situation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going anywhere. If you have a problem with it.
00:30:30
Speaker
you're doing chores. I don't know. Be as mad at you want. We'll read about the next boy being tortured. Yeah. And I'm sure, I'm sure some parents were absolutely a hundred percent like that. Some of them had that mentality of would never happen to my son. My son is so much smarter. And you know, you don't know if these kids are with a babysitter. That's true. You don't know if parents are working and they've got an older sibling watching. Highly, highly doubt that women back. But they had to go to the store. They had to do the laundry. I mean, you know what I mean? Like they had things to do. So you turn your back for a second.
00:31:00
Speaker
Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that. Mm hmm. No, no, no, no. There were several times I'm like, where is an adult? It's like how many things I've read about like serial killers and women going out, you know, they're like, all right, you guys have a curfew and they were like upset about it. Yeah.
00:31:18
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I'm like, why? Give me one. They want you to be not dead. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to follow the example set before me. I'm also going to walk in a group with a knife or something. Mostly men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that I trust. I'm just survival of the fittest clan. Okay. This has nothing to do with, uh,
00:31:35
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You know, feminists. This is a big brother. Tell me what to do. This is yeah. This is your life. Stay alive. Yeah. Yeah. So that was my input for the moment. You're fine. I'm trying to be unreasonably quiet. I'm just nope. You're in pain. So six days later, seven year old boy named Joseph Kennedy was lured by a big boy near salt marsh to a salt marsh near South Boston Bay.
00:32:00
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His head was slammed into the wall of a building and he was stripped naked, beaten. His nose was broken. His teeth were busted out of his head. And then BT pulled out a pocket knife again and forced Joseph to kneel and made Joseph recite the Lord's Prayer.
00:32:21
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Except instead of reciting the actual Lord's Prayer. He put cuss words in there trying to make him cuss during the Lord's Prayer Joseph refused to do that. He wasn't gonna do that and So as punishment Joseph was forced into the salt marshes while BT laughed on the banks as this boy screamed in agony as the salt water washed into all of his open wounds BT had just carved into him geez
00:32:51
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So at this point, we're up to a lot of attack children. And none of these attack children can give any details or any information that's helpful about the person that hurts them. They're just too young. They're too traumatized. Most of them are left out in the elements.
00:33:11
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for so long for so long that they're delirious and your brain will protect you as much as it can. So part of this fear that at that age. Yeah. At that age, your mind is looking at the boogeyman. So they're just so young and traumatized. They're not able to recall anything that's of any help.
00:33:31
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They all gave the same information, a big boy or an older boy who was white and had brown hair. And the attacks are getting closer and closer together and the damage to the victims is getting worse and worse. So now that the porta potty is not in play, I'm assuming somebody probably had your idea when I never went back. On September 17th, six days after Joseph Kennedy's attack,
00:33:58
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Five-year-old little Robert Gould is playing outside of his house when he asked if he wanted to go see some soldiers marching in a parade. Little Robert had never seen a parade. And so he is jazzed. And so he goes to start following behind this person. OK, see, I'm going to bring this up again one more time. Mm hmm. Because I have to. Mm hmm. No, no, no. This five-year-old. Five. Didn't think for a second.
00:34:24
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to ask their parents if they could go. Again, I didn't grow up in this time, so I still- It's the 1800s. I don't know what's- Kids were probably really feral back then. I'm sure, but in my thousands brain, I'm just sitting here thinking, my son can't leave the house without telling me what he's doing. But even when I grew up,
00:34:48
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When I was younger, so it was like the 90s, I lived in Louisiana and we lived out in the middle of nowhere, Louisiana. There's no internet, no cell phones. There's not even pagers yet to date myself. And so where we lived, like if you went out of our driveway and you went right, there's probably 20 houses down the street and then it dead ends to nothing. And then if you go the other way, it goes into a big bend and goes all the way and it's got offshoots.
00:35:15
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We would go outside and I know we would drive, we would ride our bikes or walk all the way to the house at the end on the right to Doc Deese's house. We would go play with Robbie Babineau up the street to the left. And then sometimes you go all the way left to Doc Schumacher's house. Like we were, as long as you were home, like I don't remember ever telling my parents, Hey, we're going here. We're going here. Like you just left. Yeah. And you did your thing. And then you came back.
00:35:43
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You guys were deep south. Deep south. We were not. I was up north where we got followed home from school one day. And my dad was going to kill the guy. Yeah. Like, because my dad caught him trying to lure us into a car. Yeah. So I'm just assuming the 1800s is probably more deep south. This is not like a hammering on the north. But the north is like a creeper experience. That was mine. Right.
00:36:10
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So that may have had a lot to do with the big city living kind of thing because we weren't far from downtown Boston. Yeah. You know, there's always horror stories about big cities and that's every big city again, Nashville. Yeah. Memphis. And you know what I had, I shared my story about what happened to me at a park in Louisiana. So it's not like it was completely safe. Right. But I just remember I don't ever. Yes. And this is the 1800. So good God. I know. I just assume you go outside and play all day.
00:36:41
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Cause again, even when we were kids, like, you know, when we moved here, we used to roam the neighborhood all like day in, day out. And if I, if I ever went far so far that I could not hear my mom whistle with the whistle meant you come back and now the guys, I'm going to be honest with you. Me and my brother's tested this theory and we realized that we could hear her whistle almost out of our subdivision. Like it would literally echo. So we always would go a little further than necessary, but whatever.
00:37:10
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Right. But we knew so many people in the neighborhood at that point. It was, it was almost like, yeah, neighborly, like we're all just kind of keeping an eye. Well, that's how, I mean, we'd go play in the gullies. We'd climb in the trees. Like you did whatever. Yeah. Like their biggest fear was you getting attacked by an alligator. Yeah. Pretty much. You're a snake. You're snakes. So sorry about that. Oh, you're fine. So after the walk, so he follows this person to go see the parade. He is just.
00:37:37
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ecstatic is only a five-year-old little boy can be and I'm sure he is talking a hundred miles a minute like what he's gonna do what he's gonna see he wants to see animals he wants to see clowns he wants to see acrobats and after walking forever Robert gets tired and so he tells the person he's walking with we've been walking forever
00:37:59
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And there's no parade and there's no soldiers. And now that I'm looking around, there's just no people around us. And I don't want to, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to walk anymore. His feet are tired. Yeah. So at this point, the, um, the other person attacks Robert strips him of his clothes and ties him to a pole.
00:38:19
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Then pulls out two knives and starts dancing around the boy while slashing his body with these knives. He slashes Robert on the head. He slashes them under his eyes. He slashes them behind his ears. Then he places the knife to his throat and tells him, you're never gonna see your mother or your father anymore, you stinking little bastard. I'm gonna kill you. Remember, this is being said to a five year old child. Five years old.
00:38:47
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However, right after saying this, BT suddenly stopped, like stops just still and is listening because he hears railroad workers approaching the area where his victim is tied up and being tortured. So he turns and runs.
00:39:09
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the workers come around, find little, little Robert bound and bleeding and untie him, save him. But this little five year old is able to provide more information and give a critical detail that the police have needed this entire time. Well, yeah, because he didn't, it didn't last as long for him. Nope. He wasn't pounded in the head. He wasn't correct. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody else that you're looking at,
00:39:36
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He's not. He wasn't tortured. 15 to 40 minutes of just absolute. He got rising in pain. He got flashed. He got scared. But he also was. I feel like he was. I feel like the kids before this were almost selected because they were either quieter.
00:39:57
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are alone are recovering. So frail, whereas this was an active little boy. Like in my mind, he is just like, Hey, Mr. Hey, Mr. Hey, Mr. Hey, Hey, do you want to, Hey, do you want to, I've got a, I've got a plane and and just talking and inquisitive. Well, there aren't any people here anymore. And I don't think we're actually going to go. My feet hurt. There are no soldiers there. No circus. This stinks. I want to go home. I'm leaving. Bye-bye.
00:40:22
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but the kid just paid attention like he was just I feel like almost more alert but I don't know a good way to phrase it is dead on
00:40:36
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I saw the difference in my son, and I'm sure you saw the difference in Bella too, where, well, I'm sorry, I feel like it's more present in boys than it is girls. The disinterest in things starts to come at a certain age where it's like, I'm too cold on my dad or whatever. They're becoming their own individual. And so they're like, yeah, man, I'll go for some money and I'll do this, right?
00:41:03
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They're not. No, they're just walking ahead. This little boy is looking at everything like, you know, first glance is probably the only one they got. Yeah. Whereas this kid was probably making eye contact with this guy the entire entire time and talking his face. Oh, yeah. Because that's how five year olds are. So he tells the police that the boy torturer was a big boy with a funny eye. And so, you know, what do you mean, funny eye?
00:41:30
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And he explains that one of the attacker's eyes looked like the color of milk and had strings running through it like a marble does. Oh, so he's blind. Something's happened to that eye. But it's milky and has marbling to it. Yeah. Yeah. But that significantly narrows down the search field. Yeah. Because there's not a lot of people with that eye running around. That's like somebody having a tattoo on their face. Exactly.
00:42:00
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So this is a singular description for them to go to the public and to look for. Unfortunately, four days after, actually, no, this isn't unfortunately, four days after Robert was attacked, the five-year-old Joseph Kennedy, the seven-year-old boy that was recently attacked and forced into the marshes, went around with police officers to different schools, different
00:42:21
Speaker
buildings and went door to door to try to find and identify his attacker because he's five. Joseph Kennedy said, I can do it. I'll know what he looks like. Just show him to me. He was seven because a little bit older. And once you ask, you know, was there anything weird about his eye to all these little boys? Well, yeah, then you do. They just hadn't thought to say it, I guess. Right.
00:42:48
Speaker
And this kid was like, I'm talking Tom over here. His eyelids. Well, because as you get older, you're told not to. You don't stare at people who look different. You don't point that out. You don't talk about it. Five year olds are like, hey, hey, mom, you know, you got hair on your lip. Right. You know what I mean? Like five year olds don't care. What's wrong with his face? Yeah. Yeah. So this little seven year old kid like don't feel bad women. It happens to all of us. It does. This little seven year old boy literally just goes,
00:43:16
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door to door trying to find his attack and after a few hours the search is fruitless and Joseph goes back to the police station to talk to the officers when suddenly a head kind of peers through the door and a police officer sees this this boy looking in and goes to ask what he needs and the boy takes off running. Obviously the cops are going to follow
00:43:42
Speaker
and they catch up with him down the street and grab the boy, bring him back to the office, assuming he's probably been attacked recently and is afraid to tell anybody. So they bring him into the police station and when he looks around, the officer is staring into a marble dot. So he leads this boy into the police station and Joseph is still there and he starts screaming, that's it, that's him.
00:44:09
Speaker
And so the police officially having custody, the boy torturer. Okay. So who is it? The boy torturers name was Jesse Pomeroy and he was 12 years old. That's young. Young.
00:44:22
Speaker
He was actually in one of the classes earlier that Joseph walked in with the police at the school, but saw them and put his head down. So Joseph couldn't see his face when he looked at the kids in the classroom. So what could cause a 12 year old kid to commit these acts? Like what in your life? It's so horrific. I've got a couple of them bouncing in to my head right now. Well, let's talk about Jesse. Oh, yeah.
00:44:52
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But this is 12 you're doing this at 12 he bit hunks off of another child with his mouth I'm aware. Yeah, so Jesse's parents were Ruth and Thomas Pomeroy The couple had two sons Charles and his younger brother Jesse Jesse was born November 29th 1829 and when he was an infant he became very sick and
00:45:18
Speaker
like so sick that his parents thought he was going to die. He's not going to live through this weird mentally disabled after sickness thing. He had an extremely high fever forever. He had boils and ulcers that covered his body. And that is what caused his eye is these boils and ulcers, one formed like around his eye and caused the damage to his eye, which he was sick for almost a month.
00:45:48
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And the sickness when it was gone, he was left blind in his right eye and his left eye was disfigured. They never could identify what the sickness was. But he recovered full recovery, besides the blindness in one eye and the issue in the other eye. And as we've discussed previously, kids suck.
00:46:07
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Oh, I'm sure he was relentlessly. Oh, right. Everybody made fun of this poor kid, which caused him not to really interact with other kids from a young age because he was like an infant when he got this sickness. So starting pretty young, he just learned it's best to be alone. And the only time he would really participate and play with other people and other kids is if they were playing scouts and Indians. He freaking loved scouts and Indians.
00:46:36
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Um, he especially loved when he was able to gather prisoners of war, the engines, put them under in jail. And he would be so like animated and involved in this. He would come up with methods to kill his prisoners, according to his other playmates. Like he never did it, but he would talk about how he was going to skin them alive. He was going to roast them at a steak. He was going to slice off their flesh and make them eat it.
00:47:02
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Like this is, this is a kid. This is his ideas of playing games. So, uh, you know, ding, ding, ding. I don't want you playing with my child anymore. Thank you very much. Bye bye. But when he was around five years old, his mom just, just telling you some stuff about him. Uh, when he was around five, his mom purchased some canaries, like, you know, little pets.
00:47:23
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And she found them like the next week with their heads twisted clear off their bodies. Guess who did that? Another time a neighbor caught him in their front yard and he had a little kitten in his hand that was covered in blood.
00:47:35
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It had been stabbed in the chest and in the throat and other body parts. Again, this kid is five at this time. And when the neighbor saw this, he said, what you doing, Jesse? And he just said, this is my little kitty, which is why when you kept saying here, kitty, kitty. Oh, God. Oh, God. Nice.
00:47:54
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So he's just kind of a weird kid, like, to put it nicely. When Jesse was around five, his mom, oh, nope, sorry, we already talked about that. When Jesse's parents ended up getting separated and divorced about the time the torturing started, it really wasn't that, in my mind, I think it's kind of good that his parents got separated because his father was an alcoholic who believed in beating his wife and kids, and that's how you put him on the straight and narrow.
00:48:21
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There was one time Jesse had ran away from home and was tracked down by his father who drug him back to the house, stripped him naked and proceeded to whip him with a belt. Sound familiar? Yep. Another time Jesse skipped school and when his father found out, he found him, brought him home, stripped him naked and beat him in the woodshed. It's like reenacting. Right. But that was it. Like there was no huge, there was nothing else that was ever really found out about his past.
00:48:48
Speaker
Jesse confessed to the police that he was responsible for the attacks and honestly, he just couldn't help himself. He would be overcome with these urges to hurt these kids and he just couldn't stop. And this left the authorities with a new dilemma. What do you do with a boy who's 12 years old and who's maimed 10 plus boys? You can't put him in jail with grown men. It's 1800s. What are we gonna do?
00:49:15
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So it was determined that he was going, the state of Massachusetts sentenced him to go to the Massachusetts House of Reformation and he would live there until he was 18 years old. So basically six years. So the Massachusetts House of Reformation was basically a juvenile detention center. They didn't have a kitty gel back then. So that's what this was. Where boys would, up until the age of 16, they'd be sentenced here to live.
00:49:42
Speaker
They had roughly 250 that resided there. If the boys acted up while living there, they would be flogged. And Jesse would often seek out those who had most recently been disciplined and ask them how it felt, how hard were you hit, what they used to hit you with, like just real interested. And yeah, but unfortunately, Jesse was also a great behaved prisoner. So in February 1874, he was released.
00:50:13
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After only serving year and a half, two years in jail at the age of 14, he is back out in the Boston public because he's been to the reformation house and he has reformed and he had good behavior.
00:50:28
Speaker
So he was released into the care and custody of his mother who promised to put him to work in her sewing shop. She had a sewing shop located on Broadway Street in Boston and his brother actually had a newsstand right in front of his mother's shop where he'd sell newspapers and he also had a paper route. So between the two of them, they're gonna keep this kid occupied. So Jesse did, he started to help his mother in her shop as well as helping his brother with his paper routes and everything is going honky dory. And that was February.
00:50:56
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March 18th, month later, Katie Curran, who is around 10 years old, needs a notebook for school.
00:51:04
Speaker
And she's telling her mom, I gotta go. I need a notebook for school today. I've gotta have it. And that morning, Mary Curran was just busy. She's trying to get Katie's little sister ready for school. There's a hundred things to do. So she goes to her purse, gets some coins out and tells her go down to the corner store to Tobin, buy a notebook and come right back. And honestly, this is out of
00:51:30
Speaker
Mary Kern would have never done this. She would have never allowed her daughter, Katie, to do this by herself, but it was just one of those mornings. You know those mornings. So about 8.05 that morning, Katie puts on her jacket and a scarf and heads out towards the store. As she's leaving, she turns down and tells her mom, please have Cecilia, her sister, ready when I get back because I've got a new teacher that starts the day and I don't want to be a minute late for school. Like I need to come back. I need to get her and we got to go.
00:51:57
Speaker
Those are the last words Katie's mom ever heard come from her mouth. That morning around 7 30 same morning 30 minutes before she headed out Jesse opened his mother's shop and started working the day. Walking around the street is a boy named Rudolph who's about Jesse's age and he's known he helps out kind of part-time at the sewing shop and with the paper route and the paper stand like
00:52:22
Speaker
kind of like a temporary employee like so they the boys know each other they're just kind of shooting the shit talking like whatever and as they're talking Katie comes into the store to ask if they have any notebook how is how old was she she was 10 10 years old Katie yeah Katie was 14 yes he's 14 he's only been out of the Reformation house for a month
00:52:48
Speaker
Yeah, she's Tim. So as the boys, as Rudolph and Jesse are just sitting there chit chatting, Katie comes big business walking into the store and says, do you have any notebooks? I need a notebook. I was just at Tobin's and he's out of notebooks and I have to have a notebook. And there's a notebook on this newspaper stand. Can I buy that notebook? And it's used, but she doesn't care. She needs a notebook. We're past time. I'll buy your used notebook. Here's some coins. I want that notebook.
00:53:14
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So Jessie's like, sure, you can buy that notebook thinking I'm just gonna make some free money here. And as they're trying to like get everything together, Jessie's little cat comes up from the cellar and starts meowing, just meow, meow, won't stop.
00:53:29
Speaker
So Jesse asked Rudolph, hey, will you run to the butcher shop across the way and get some straps for my cat? Like it's not gonna shut up. So Rudolph says sure runs and does it. They complete their transaction about their business. About nine o'clock that morning, Katie's mom is still at home with Cecilia and at this point we're worried. Shouldn't have taken an hour. It should have taken maybe 15 minutes to run to the corner shop and back.
00:53:53
Speaker
Katie was so worried about being late for school and she's now an hour in this simple errand and something's not right. So Mary Curran walks over to the corner store and talks to Tobin and says, my daughter was coming here an hour ago to get a notebook. Where's she at? Did she come?
00:54:11
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He said, yes, she was here. I was out of notebook. So she just left. So Mary says, okay. And she leaves. And as she's leaving, she bumps into a little girl named Lee. And she said, I saw Katie over at the Pomeroy store, which immediately the mother's like, Oh, hell no. So she doesn't go to the Pomeroy store and confront this little psycho because everybody knows who this kid is. She goes directly to the police.
00:54:35
Speaker
And she says, here's the deal. You need to help me. My daughter's missing. And the last person she was seen was that Jesse kid. And I need you to go get my daughter now. I need you to find out what's happening with my daughter. The police captain assured Mary that Katie's fine. They'll go find her. You just go home and calm down, ma'am. Just a hysterical woman. Unfortunately, the following day, Katie's still not found.
00:54:59
Speaker
At this point, the police have talked to Rudolph and he said that he did see Katie with Jesse right before he ran to the butcher shop. Mary Curran stomps her way back to the police station bright and early and says, I want to know what the deal is with my daughter. I want an update. I want to know what's going on. And they assure her they checked the butcher, not the butcher shop. They checked the sewing shop. They checked all around. Katie wasn't there. And quite frankly, ma'am,
00:55:26
Speaker
You don't really have to worry about Jesse. He likes little boys. And Rudolph is a liar. He's a known liar. So you're getting worried and worked up about nothing.
00:55:39
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And the same time Mary Kern is there, an eyewitness comes in stating that they had seen Katie being forced into a covered carriage onto the street by a man that morning. So honestly, with this information, the cops have searched the area. They've searched the shop. There's no sign of a struggle. There's no sign of Katie. And quite frankly, Jesse's MO is not little girls. So really,
00:56:06
Speaker
Yeah, and they've, and they've taught, they've, they've got an eyewitness that saw a man forcing the little girl into a covered carriage and Jesse doesn't have a man in his life. So the police assure Mary that they're going to go find the owner of this covered carriage and they're going to find her daughter. And unfortunately weeks and weeks go by and there's no sign, nothing. Um, a man named Joseph Millen moved in across the street from Katie's house with his wife and his two sons, Horace and Sydney.
00:56:35
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And,
Life Imprisonment and Solitary Confinement
00:56:36
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um, again, directly right across the street from Katie's house. And on April 22nd, a month after moving into the house, family just finished getting ready for the day, had breakfast when Horace is just begging his mom, please, please, please, please, please. Can I have some money and go to the bakery? Please, please, please, please. I want to go to the bakery. I want to go to the bakery. I want to go to the bakery. I want to go to the bakery, get some change and go be with God. Don't come back for a while. Yeah.
00:57:03
Speaker
So the mom does, she's like, go, go, go to my purse, get some coins, walk to the bakery, come home around lunch. Like, just be gone with you. So I think, be gone with you, Satan. Holy water. So the mom gives him and says, you know, be back by lunch. So Horace leaves the house and around 10, 20 a.m. is when he left. About 15 minutes later, he's seen walking down the street with a friend by a neighbor.
00:57:30
Speaker
And she said, hey, where are you going? And he said, I'm going to the bakery. Mama gave me money. And she said, all right. And a few minutes later, another neighbor sees Horace leave the bakery, taking hand with his friend. His friend grabs him by the hand and leads him down the street and out of sight. And on the one hand, it's a little odd that his neighbors are so watchful, but on the other hand, everything has happened recently and Horace is four. So.
00:58:00
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Yeah, I wouldn't let my four-year-old watch the Baker. I don't care how annoying they're being but again another time and age Yeah around 40 minutes later a man sees two little boys two little brothers walking down a wharf at McKay Wharf The taller brother is leading this younger brother by the hand and the two you the two boys are spotted around noon and
00:58:23
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by another kid walking towards the beach the two brothers are the older boy the other brother sorry the older brother's helping Horace across a ditch and they continue to walk towards the marsh sometimes later a man is digging for clams on the beach
00:58:38
Speaker
and like he's just sitting there digging for clams and there's a teenage boy that starts sprinting down the road past him like he's jumping over stuff like he is running for all he is worth and the whole time he's running he keeps looking behind him over a shoulder and just and the guy honestly is concerned thinking this kid's being like
00:58:57
Speaker
chased and is like getting ready to he's waiting for an assailant to come basically like he's gonna protect this kid yeah but the kid runs by him and nobody else ever comes like there's nobody chasing him nothing going on around 3 45 that afternoon two brothers are walking down the beach when they arrive at a clam fake pit which is where you know dig a hole in the sand to bake the clams like open fire
00:59:20
Speaker
and there are clam shells strewn all over the ground and there among the clam shells is little Horace. He's lying on his back and his body's already stiff. His underwear and pants are around his ankles with blood covering his face and his hand and his legs. Blood's coming out of his mouth. His hands have been smashed. He's been stabbed in the eye. His chest has been stabbed 18 times and his genitals are mutilated. The two brothers
00:59:50
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freak out and turn and run for help rightfully so police from station nine arrived and noticed that horace's hands little again he's four um his hands have been clenched so tightly and fists that his fingernails gouged grooves into his palm like he cut his palm open he was clenching his his little fists so tight
01:00:15
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His neck was cut so deeply, he was almost decapitated. His eye had been gouged out of his skull and he was partially castrated. One detective on the scene actually made a statement that the MO of this is so similar to the boy torture that if he wasn't still in jail, they would know who did it. He's not. He's not. So police station nine get back and they call police station six
01:00:42
Speaker
to advise them of the crime, what they've seen just because it was similar to the boy torture who, who station six handled. And that's when they find out that the boy torture had in fact been released and was no longer behind bars. So guess who the police want to talk to? Yeah. Jesse. Meanwhile, on the other side of town,
01:01:01
Speaker
back a little bit before all this, it's lunchtime. And Horace's family is freaking out. They are searching everywhere for this little boy and can't find him. They've been out running around. So at 5.30, they go to the police station report and missing when they are advised that the police know where their son is. Police bring in Jesse for questioning and there are scratches on his face, on his hands, down his neck.
01:01:28
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He had a pocket knife on his, on his person, which was believed to be what killed Horace. The shoes Jesse was wearing matched the imprint of the larger set of shoes on the beach, on the clambake. So the whole time Horace was walking earlier, it was Jesse that was with him. People just assumed they were brothers, assumed it was a friend. So Jesse confessed and said something made me do it. He apologized and asked the police to please not tell his mom.
01:01:59
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because he's 14. Obviously word got around, which in turn affected Jesse's mom and brother's business because ain't nobody going to shop there. So it only took a month before they went belly up and had to just vacate the premises. Yeah. And so the grocery, the guy who owned the grocery store, like in the building connected to, decided he wanted to buy the shop and he was going to make an expansion.
01:02:25
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and he was going to remodel it. So he had contractors on site and they go and they're, they're looking at all the damage. It's just not well kept. And there's a bathroom downstairs in the cellar that is clogged. And apparently it smelled like a cat had just died in that toilet. Like it was beyond rank. And then besides that, the cellar is pretty much empty. It's got a big old furnace where it heats, you know, and it's got a pile of coal that you put in the furnace and then the pile of ash that you take out of the furnace, like to heat the building.
01:02:54
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So they go on to pretty much they're going to gut this building and they're going to try to renovate it for this grocery store owner. So throughout the process, this is back in the day.
01:03:08
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Like you don't hire a GC to do your work and you come see it when it's done. This owner was like their stomping grounds. Yeah. I want to see what's going on. So he is there. He is, um, he is, they're working downstairs and he's got a pickaxe and he's knocking down a wall and he's blowing it out. He's got the ax. He's getting out some aggression. Wife nagged him. Who knows? He is hammering away at this wall. Just.
01:03:30
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Taking it down take it down and so he goes to swing it and he misses the wall like you know that comical like you miss the wall and He is pickaxe goes into the ash pile and ends up getting hooked into this Rusted metal bowl. It was like in the ash pile it maybe they were taking ashes out with at some point Yeah, so he goes to pick up like he goes to try to loosen it But as he does he notices this rusted metal bowl has wavy brown hair attached to it
01:03:59
Speaker
And that's because it is the body of Katie Curran, who has sat there for four months in the cellar. The thing is, if you remember, police specifically assured Katie's mother that they went and checked out the cellar and the shop. Wow. But they never did. They lied to calmer down because they were like, well, he likes boys. Exactly. So never even look, never checked. Nothing. An autopsy on Katie's body revealed that her throat had been slit.
01:04:29
Speaker
Her clothes had been cut down the middle and she had been sexually mutilated. After very little pressure, Jesse admitted to killing Katie, explaining that he had lied to the little girl telling her that he had more notebooks in the cellar. So if she just followed him down there, she could have a fresh notebook instead of buying that half used one, you know. And halfway down, he grabbed her from the back.
01:04:53
Speaker
He put his arm around her throat, covered her mouth, and sliced her throat open. He never went into detail about the sexual mutilation and attack. The book about this story does not go into detail like nobody does. And I'm fine with that, honestly. So at this point, the police want to know, why do you do these things?
01:05:15
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Obviously. Nobody ever gets a real answer on anybody. And he tells him, I don't know, and I can't help it. And he points to his head and he said, it's in here.
01:05:26
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and explain to the police that he never intended when he would bring these kids to these remote locations, he never intended to actually hurt them or kill them. He just wanted to play with them or whatever, but he would get this pain that started in his left ear and it would travel from his left ear to the other side of his head and he would just have this overwhelming urge to hurt the other kid and he couldn't contain it. To this I say bullshit because he brought ropes in his pocket. Remember, that's why I pointed out premeditation. Absolutely.
01:05:57
Speaker
Jesse ends up recanting his confession, only to confess again and recant again. Back and forth, back and forth. Finally, in the winter of 1974, his trial comes up and a jury of 12 men found him to be sane. He was not crazy. And he was guilty of first-degree murder.
01:06:17
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At the time, under Massachusetts law, there was only one punishment for premeditated murder, and that was death. There was no other option. However, upon giving the sentence of guilty, the jury did ask the judge to commute the sentence to life in prison, because these are 12 men, and no matter what he did in good conscience, they couldn't say to put this little boy to death by hanging, because that's the only way to put someone to death at that time.
01:06:45
Speaker
Like you just don't want to think that. I mean, this is still a kid. You know what I mean? Watch like a little boy. Yeah. Yeah. So when the actual sentencing came about, you know how I love a sassy judge. The judge advised Jesse to and this is quote. Turn your thoughts to turn your thoughts to an appeal to the eternal judge of all hearts in preparation for the doom that awaits you guilty and sentenced to death by hanging.
01:07:13
Speaker
But while that sounds like pretty clear cut His sentence was put off like over and over because no one really felt Comfortable hanging a child. Yeah, like I know I know you always say jokingly and sometimes not jokingly hang them hang them high, but that's a kid That's hard to watch Yeah, like that's gonna mess you up so
01:07:40
Speaker
They don't, they don't really, no one feels comfortable about putting a new throat around this kid's neck so he pretty much just goes to jail. Like, we'll talk about it later. Go bye bye. So while in jail, Jesse's old friend from the neighborhood he used to hang out with got caught stealing a bottle of whiskey and gets put in jail. No, his name's Willie. His name's Willie.
01:08:01
Speaker
And Jesse was pumped because he had a friend in jail now. They can't play, but he's got someone there he knows it's his age. Yeah. So they pass notes back and forth. And just to give you like, I've got a couple samples of some of what Jesse wrote to Willie. And I'll read them to you just so you can kind of see the way this kid thinks and like where we're at. So letter one, friend will.
01:08:25
Speaker
Of course you know that I'm here and what I'm here for. Of course you know that I'm here and what I'm here for and what I was sent to the reform school. Tell me what it is and tell me what I did. Tell me all you've heard of me, even the bad, and don't think I'll be angry if you tell me
01:08:44
Speaker
what you heard of what I did. Tell me all you heard and what the boy said. Did you go to Wilthrop School? I heard that they flogged boys unmercifully and that there was this other Willy that went there that got in a row with the headmaster and he got whipped until blood ran down his back. He was almost killed. Is that a true story? Write back with the answers to all these questions and write a long letter, please. Your friend, Jesse. Letter two. Friend Willy, I received your note.
01:09:13
Speaker
Now will you please reply to all the questions I wrote in my last letter? Did you get a licking very often? Tell me if you do in the hardest whipping you've ever got and tell me all the particulars of it and I will tell you all of the hardest floggings I ever got. Because if we are to be friends in here, we should tell each other everything about ourselves. Will you tell me if I ask you the hardest whipping you ever got? How much it hurt and how much it was done to you and I'll tell you about the hardest one I got.
01:09:40
Speaker
Also, tell me all you've all you've heard of what I did to those boys. Remember, write me a long letter. Letter three really wants them to reenact. Yeah. But it's also like just a there's not a care in the world. Dear Will, your account of the whippings is amusing.
01:09:56
Speaker
Tell me more about it. Did it hurt very much and were your clothes off at the time? I'll tell you about the worst I got. I played truant and stole some money from my mom and my father took me to the woodshed. I had to strip off my jacket, my vest and both of my shirts to where my back was naked. Father took a whip and gave me a hard whipping. And every time I think about it, I go back and it's like I'm getting flogged all over again. Another time in July, I ran away from home. My father got me, brought me back and gave me a lecture.
01:10:25
Speaker
Ended up ordering me upstairs to take off all my clothes, took a strap, and gave me a strong licking. Did it hurt yours when yours was done? Letter four is the last one I'll read. Friend Will.
01:10:37
Speaker
I think you should tell me the answers for my last letter. Don't be afraid to tell me the answers. I just want to know, I just want to know what I did to, I just want to know if you know what I did to those boys on Powder Hill. Answer in full and all you know of it and I'll tell you if you're right. Tell me some of your more, tell me more of your floggings because I want to talk about it more. Tell me
01:10:59
Speaker
as I've told you of my two floggings. Tell me if it hurt and how your father did it. I hope you don't do anything bad to yourself in there. You do understand what I mean, don't you? I mean, playing with yourself or abusing yourself. I'm glad you prayed last night. Yours truly, Jesse." And he would write like letter after letter of this just like almost, I mean, in my head, I'm thinking almost like a sing-songy like,
01:11:26
Speaker
Like he went on to describe murdering the kids. Yeah, the two kids he murdered like just never really cared. And like, and then there's one letter because Willie will get he has to go to the Massachusetts reformer school. Yeah.
01:11:44
Speaker
And at that point, Jesse writes them and is like, here, Willie, I hear you're going to their former Troy school. Please be careful, because if you're not, you'll get a flogging and there are a lot of boys there and they'll try to get you to do bad things. And if you're caught doing those things, you'll get a weapon. Don't abuse yourself and don't let anybody else abuse you. But just remember, if you're really good, you'll get to go soon. Your bestest friend, Jesse. Yeah.
01:12:13
Speaker
Um, but he wrote like over and over and like just basically like it was no big deal. Like, uh, just not all there. Yeah. Oh no, man. Basically. So, um, I'm sorry. Bless you. I can feel it coming. Sorry. That's all right. So, um, after, after Willie left, Jesse's still in jail. Yeah. And the state of Massachusetts really just doesn't know what to do with this kid.
01:12:41
Speaker
Like nobody wants to put a rope around this kid's neck, but that's a sentence. Yeah. So they end up commuting his sentence. And so he is to serve life in solitary confinement. Oh, OK. Which is rough. Yeah. And that is what he did for he is 14 years old and he spent the next 41 years of his life in solitary confinement.
01:13:10
Speaker
After 41 years, his sentencing and his case got a lot of publicity. It doesn't matter how bad his crimes are. There were protests and activists out like, this is inhumane. He was 14 and he has spent 41 years without another person. That is inhumane torture.
01:13:34
Speaker
And so they would have been better off just killing it. Yeah. So they it's a lot, a lot of people that talk about this are like, I'd rather been killed than 41 years without another conversation. So after all these protests and all these activists and all this stuff, his sentences commuted again.
01:13:56
Speaker
And he's given life in prison, regular prison. So he's 41 years in solitary confinement. He finally gets transferred to a regular prison. Sorry, my phone's messing up. There we go. You're good. So at 55 years old. OK. He spent 14 to 55 alone in a room. I don't know. Although sometimes I feel like that might be great.
01:14:25
Speaker
But that, yeah, but in reality, that's a long time. So he gets sentenced, he gets sentenced to regular prison, like high security prison, and he spends the next 12 years of his life there.
01:14:39
Speaker
Um, so at this point 53 years, he has been in prison 53 years 41 of it in solitary confinement 12 years In regular jail and at this point he is old Yeah, um Let's see 53 years. He's 67 years old He's old. He's real. Yeah, like
01:15:04
Speaker
And literally as an act of mercy, the Massachusetts correctional, whatever it was at this time said, you know what? We're going to send him to like the lowest rated prison to live out his days. Like he, he ain't got much left. He's been in jail for 53 years. We're going to send him somewhere.
01:15:25
Speaker
And honestly, like I know that what he did is horrible, but I I thought this was like this just kind of blew my mind that like it tells you how long he went without seeing people and he was in jail. So when they transferred him to the prison, he was in to the other like the low, low security one. He's been in jail 53 years. Imagine everything that's changed in 53 years. Oh,
Experiencing the Changed World after 53 Years
01:15:47
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yeah. He goes and they put him in an automobile. Oh, damn.
01:15:52
Speaker
And he doesn't know what that is, and even asks the police officers, where are all the horses? Because when he was out, that's how you got around.
01:16:02
Speaker
And now there's no horses anywhere and there's these weird machines on wheels. Yeah. Like that. That is how long he was in prison. Wow. And the cops honestly like they feel how do you even answer that question? Yeah. Like they stopped and got the dude ice cream and it's like a little sprite or something because they they just felt bad for him. Yeah.
01:16:27
Speaker
And so he got sent to the other prison where he spent the next two years until September 29th, 1926. I believe 1932. Sorry, I didn't miss the dates up when I typed this out. He died in prison at age of 72 of heart failure. Wow. So he legitimately spent his entire freaking life
01:16:53
Speaker
Yeah. In jail. 41 years of it. Can you imagine from 14 to 55 never talking to another person? Like they said he read books and that he would like write, but that was all he had. Yeah. So that's my story. Like super weird too, because they say like the adult mind isn't even like
01:17:27
Speaker
had had they not and they had, you know, done the reform school thing again, even though he committed these heinous crimes, like had he become an adult on the outside world, how much worse
Understanding the Man's Criminal Actions
01:17:39
Speaker
it would have been because he was a baby when he was committing these things like.
01:17:39
Speaker
fully developed until 25?
01:17:44
Speaker
And, you know, there's there's all this talk about him, like the book kind of talks about it. And there's all these, you know, all these forums and stuff that talk about him. And some people hypothesize that that high fever he had when he was an infant for a month. Maybe that did damage to him. That's what I'm saying. But honestly, not even that, like he could have had something like Asperger's or where, you know, you don't have the emotions like your your boy. Yeah. The dad.
01:18:12
Speaker
your boy that like had no emotions and knew like just like he knew what he he knew he didn't feel it honestly remember him talking about yeah like IQ wise too when you're looking for but he was smart to use the stupid word right feeble-minded not even that he's not he's I'm not saying he's not smart yeah in his mind in the way that he was growing up he was mimicking what his father so you don't know if that was a man of
01:18:39
Speaker
And you don't know what his father did that he didn't talk about. Correct. Because he did. I mean, a lot of the stuff he did and how he started out was exactly what his father did to him. And sadism, sadism and masochism is a very real. Yeah. You don't know, like, if this kid was being beaten, if he like kind of liked it. Yeah. You know what I'm like, I know that sounds really ridiculous. On his mind, that's how you become powerful as you do that to someone else. Correct. So.
Narrator's Personal Fears and Neighborly Suspicion
01:19:05
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Yeah, that's my story. And I'll tell you why I told this story.
01:19:09
Speaker
OK, this is a horrible story, clearly, but it makes me feel better in my freak out the other week. Oh, 100 percent. So that's why I said I will have some chit chat at the end. So this happened like what, two weeks ago? I think so. Yeah, I I work. You know, I go to I drop Bella off to school. I go to work. I pick her up and I work the rest of the day at home instead of doing like aftercare for her, right?
01:19:35
Speaker
And so she was playing outside and I keep our French doors open when she's out back. It's fenced in, but there's like one yard where your brother took the fence down. So I'm working, no big deal. And the doorbell rings, which our doorbell never rings. Unless it's the Jehovah's Witnesses coming to talk to me about my soul.
01:19:53
Speaker
Correct. So the doorbell rings and I owe little bites. Right. So I opened the door and it's it's not a Jehovah's Witness or, you know, anybody else witnessing to me. It's a little boy like Bella's age. Little boy. OK. Well, you know the story. I do. And he says I'm telling them the story and he says, hey, do you have a kid here? And I was like, yeah, like, why are you asking?
01:20:20
Speaker
And he said, is it a boy or girl? And I just said, that's not what you told me. He said, yeah, he said, is your kid here? You said you told me when you told the story, is it a girl? Yeah, is it a girl? Is it a boy or a girl? Is it a girl? And I said, yes.
01:20:35
Speaker
Because this is a little kid that is my child's age. It was very disarming. But as he said, is it a girl? And I'm answering yes. Like yes is coming out of my head, but I can feel my face making that face. Like what the hell? And I'm taking in my surroundings at this point. And I see this child in front of me who is a child is my child's age.
01:20:56
Speaker
But his clothes are dirty and way too big for him and stretched out, which, hey, hard times right now. The economy sucks. Get it. Right. I mean, if Mike is going out to play outside, she doesn't she wears nasty clothes that have holes in them. I'm not sitting around good clothes. She's going to ruin them. Right. But then I notice he's got an iPhone that is on a call. I can see the minutes ticking. OK.
01:21:20
Speaker
And it's like facing me. So that's kind of weird. Yeah, and then I see this car idling in the vacant house like three car three three houses on the other side of the street from mine like I can see a car just sitting there that I've never seen before in front of this house So all these things strike me like I'm taking all this in as I'm answering. Yes Yeah, and he says can she come out front and play with me? And I said no, I'm sorry Her and her dad are working out
01:21:48
Speaker
It was literally the only thing that came in my mind is say, there's a man here. And I shut the door. I locked the door. At this point, Bella is at the French door saying, who was that? And I said, Hey, just come in and, you know, let's shut the back doors and let's lock it. And she said, why? And I just said, you know, a little boy just, I said, something weird just happened. I just don't feel good about it. Yeah. Because in that, like, it was so disarming for a kid to be like, Hey, do you have a kid here? Yeah, I've got a kid here.
01:22:17
Speaker
Like never thought about it until he asked, is it a girl? And I'm like, as I'm saying, yes, I'm like, why the frick does it matter? Yeah. Like that's what caught my attention is why does it matter? Can she come out front and play with me? I've never seen this kid in my life. We walk the neighborhood all the time. Me and my kids, I've never seen this kid. It was a different nationality than any of my neighbors.
01:22:39
Speaker
And then not even just that, but the iPhone thing, the iPhone thing and the fact that his, that car was idling there and it was, I know the people who used to live there. So like all of it just freaked me out. And then I am like, Bella, my child is terrified, basically tries to live inside my body for the rest of the night until my husband gets home.
01:23:01
Speaker
Then she's fine, of course, but she's still like to this day, if we're home, she checks every window, checks every lot. If she goes outside, she wants me outside with her, which we've already told her for a while. That's just how it's going to be. She doesn't want like, if she goes to the bathroom, I have to walk back to the back of the house with her. Like she's, I completely freaked her out.
01:23:23
Speaker
But I can't blame her, though. No. And, you know, on the one hand, sure, I shouldn't freak her out. On the other hand, if there's a situation she needs to know, like we went. Yeah, don't just walk away from her. Yeah. Yeah. Don't walk from mom and dad to go to somebody just because it's. Yeah, I understand. And, you know, when Frankie got home, Pete, we had a long talk about if you're ever outside. What do you do if someone comes in the backyard? Because we do our house, you know, we've got that little that stretch of land, but then that park is right there. Yeah.
01:23:52
Speaker
So and then we've got that main road out to the left of our neighborhood right out right out of our neighborhood is a main road And then right there's the interstate. Yeah That splits off into four different highways So, you know, we had to have all the talk like what do you do in this situation? What do you do in that situation? So she was freaked out like completely. Yeah And like on the one hand I am berating myself all night like why would I give this information out?
01:24:21
Speaker
because it was a kid, I didn't know any, but it is still I talk about kids getting raped and murdered and people being horrible. Yeah. At least once a week. And I listened to it on a daily basis. Why would I? But it's so disarming with this kid looking at me saying, hey, do you have a kid here? Like so disarming.
01:24:40
Speaker
And so that's the reason why I picked this story was just kind of to justify my mind that it doesn't matter that it was a kid. I have every right to freak out. Yeah. He has come back. I really don't know why. No, he has come back. Oh, OK. He came back last week.
01:24:59
Speaker
And it was the same thing he said is you said you had a girl, she here. And I just said, no, sorry, bud. She's not. And I closed the door. And then later that night, like an hour later, Frankie was home and I told Frankie, hey, he was back. There wasn't an iPhone out this time. There was no car that I could see. I had a thought of where if if this kid was in our neighborhood, like where he could have come from. Yeah.
01:25:28
Speaker
that I haven't been able to prove if he does come from there or not. Okay. And so then, um, after I told Frankie, like an hour later, there was a knock on the door and it's the kid again. And so Frankie said, I'm going to go out there. I'm going to answer the door. I'm going to take care of this. And I said, okay. And, uh, Bella was, it was, she had spent all day at my sister-in-law's house because I had to go to work. It was during spring break.
01:25:54
Speaker
And so I had a big meeting at work that she could not come with me to. So I called my sister and I said, Hey, is there any way she can stay with you today? So she was there and played outside all day. So she came home and literally passed out on the couch. Um, so when Frankie answered the door, he just said, no, she's sleeping. Sorry, bud. And walked away and I said, did you like prior, like when he says I'm going to take care of this, I'm thinking like, you're going to get to the bottom of this, right?
01:26:23
Speaker
And so I think next, if the child comes back again, he hasn't come back just those two days, the first time and then the second time when he came back twice in one day, because I told Franky, I was like, did you say anything? He said, no, I just told her she was sleeping. I said, I thought you were going to take care of it. And he said, I did. I sent him away. And I said, I'm taking care of it. And I said, next time I think I'm going to pry and just be like, she's doing homework. Which house is yours? And maybe we can come play when we're done.
01:26:50
Speaker
to see if like he tells me a house or if he could answer it. Like, you know what I mean? Because like I told like, I don't know, I've got these. Well, and that's what I told Frankie. I said, you know,
01:27:05
Speaker
If he is just like newer to the neighborhood and he doesn't have any friends, like I feel horrible that he's literally going house to house trying to find anybody to play with him. So on the one hand, my mom's heart hurts for him. Like he could be made fun. I mean, he's a little pudgy kid, like he's a little different. Um, he's just, he's just a little, he dresses a little different. He's a little overweight. Yeah.
01:27:30
Speaker
He's got a, you know, a fro of hair, like he's just a little unkempt. So I feel bad for him. And I want to kind of like take care of him. But on the other hand, that gut instinct, man, that first time. Yeah, that was it's just a weird way to. And that's what I told you. When I told you about it on the phone, I said it could have been perfectly harmless. But there were so many red flags.
01:27:53
Speaker
Right. And then you could sit here and think to yourself, it totally could have been ironic with the idle car. Right. Yeah. And it could have been his parents on the other end making sure that he's doing what he said. Yeah. And making sure he's safe. Like there's been helicopter moms for all we know. There's so many justifications of what could have happened. But then you you look at this story and you've got all these neighbors seeing four year old little horse walking with an older friend. Yeah.
01:28:21
Speaker
You know you think it's normal so on the one hand I feel like I feel bad for being so judgmental and maybe Like freaking out over nothing. But on the other hand, can you be too careful? No, and after reading this story my answer is no you cannot be too careful I can't I go spend my friends house. You know what? I know their parents. I love their parents, but no no I just I just don't I don't like it. I don't you know I
01:28:48
Speaker
Oh, no, we've already drilled. We have drilled into my child's head from an early age. You will never have a sleepover that's not family like you can go sleep over with your cousins and you can have sleepovers here. But that's it. Like I came home from school right before spring break and she was like, oh, hey, mom, I made a play date with Guinevere. So I'm going to walk over to her house and play with her. Is that good with you? And I was like, no, it's not good with me. And she was like, but
01:29:15
Speaker
I already made the play date and I was like, Bella, I don't know one of yours mom. You don't you don't get to make plans without mommy knowing. And she was like, but what if she gets mad at me? And I was like, you can tell her at school tomorrow. I said no, but you're not going to play at someone's house down the street that I don't know them. That's why I like our group that we have in our neighborhood, because we all kind of like got together and hung out a few times before anything ever
01:29:37
Speaker
I don't like people. I don't want to socialize. Yeah.
Parental Vigilance and Concluding Thoughts
01:29:40
Speaker
We just go ride the Vespa and talk to people. But you you definitely have ruined my evening. I told you I told you I knew that we would wait a way to wait a way to like really just plunge in what happened that week or so ago. That was that was nice. Well, that's honestly like I I hate this story.
01:29:58
Speaker
And there's I know, but it does happen and all parents need to be aware of it. Yeah, because just because I mean, when the police were all like flabbergasted when they when they saw him at first and realized this is our murder. He is violently maimed and attacked up to 10 young children. And he's 12, like 11 and 12 is when he did all that damage. And then he killed two people when he was 14, a month after being released from
01:30:29
Speaker
reform school. But the story like usually our stories you know at least there's something at least a little funny to talk about. There's nothing funny here. Or there's like something to like kind of you know go back and forth on this is like it was very much I'm gonna pretty much read it and Lisa's gonna hate me the whole time and cuss at me afterwards. But I only told it because of that situation at the house because it's like you literally you like
01:30:53
Speaker
I had to I almost every door. There's an evil. You know what I'm saying? Like you just have to. Yeah. And I honestly like it was my justification to myself that it's OK not to let my kid play with this. And I'm going to be 100 percent honest with you. But now now more than ever that we do this. It's unlike it. No. Anyway, that's my story. That's horrible.
01:31:13
Speaker
I don't know what I'm going to do next week, but it's definitely going to suck. And I'm definitely going to just try my best to rip your soul out. Just going to keep one up at each other till we're like, let's just stop. Yeah, we can't. I don't want to do this. We've crossed the line somewhere in the sand and. No, it's just like literally the insanity of some people will never cease to amaze me.
01:31:38
Speaker
Even especially now that we do this. Yeah, it's just like we keep saying we're one up in each other. It's not that it's literally that these people are one up in each other. We if we can find the stories to one up each other that you know what I mean? Yeah, like shit. Yeah. So that's my story for the night. Yeah, I think I'm almost ready for bed. So I'm gonna pick up my child. So
01:32:02
Speaker
Well, anyway, have a nice night. Hmm. You're welcome. So like, sorry, people. Yeah. Hope you sleep like shit. Be careful out there. Know who your kids are talking to. Stranger danger. Stranger danger. Bye. Bye.