Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
The Tool that Launched the Walsh's
92 Plays10 months ago
Part 2 of Ottis Toole is a telling of his many confession – some true and some not but ends with the launching of the Walsh’ search for truth and helping others after their son Adam Walsh goes missing.
I hope you enjoyed our banter and arguing, and of course or opinions – but please let us know what you think twistedtalestruecrime@gmail.com
Also, come visit our socials for photos and extras, amazing memes and people.
Facebook – TwistedTales True Crime
Instagram –
Recommended
Transcript
Introduction to 'Twisted Tales' and Recap of Part One
00:00:04
Speaker
Well, good afternoon and welcome back to Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa. And we're going into Autistool part two. Artistool is a tool. Part two. Yeah, I was going to say.
00:00:24
Speaker
If you haven't listened to part one, you probably want to go back and click that. I would. I mean, I wouldn't, but half the things that make fun of Lisa Ford in this episode won't make sense unless you get the references. That's a really good point. Yeah. You will not understand why we are making fun of her as much as we do.
00:00:41
Speaker
All right. And if I accidentally slip up and say Otis again, it's only because I can't read. I'm from Tennessee and it's a reading is hard for her. It's a southern education. That's all right. That's a lot more preamble. You left us on a cliffhanger. I did part two. Let's go.
Otis Tool's Involvement in Unsolved Cases
00:01:00
Speaker
All right. So in the last podcast, I told you guys a horrible story from all corners of the United States.
00:01:08
Speaker
came to talk to Otis to find out who if he was responsible for some of their unsolved cases. Yep. And one particular department from Florida had come to talk with Otis about their cold cases. OK, what part of Florida? We'll get there. OK.
00:01:26
Speaker
So after the interview, the cops packed up their things, they're getting ready to leave. And just a pre just a preference. I should have done this at the beginning. Go ahead. If you didn't listen to part one, pause now and go. But if you don't want to listen to part two first, Lisa explained that this episode came from a rabbit hole she fell down into.
00:01:46
Speaker
because she gave us the whole Otis tool story. I did. And then well, I guess childhood. Right. And I kind of skipped through and it's like, oh, yeah, I got arrested. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So but she at the end gave us a little cliffhanger on this one.
The Abduction of Adam Walsh
00:02:02
Speaker
which she has reluctantly told us because she keeps telling me how horrible it is and how much I'm going to hate her. But so it was a rabbit hole she fell into. I feel like that's important to say. Yeah, you you definitely it's not really a rabbit hole. This tool story on this. And we'll just go ahead and throw out like a trigger warning to just say like what's coming next. There's always a trigger in the show. If you've got just proceed with that. Yeah, I would agree. OK, continue.
00:02:28
Speaker
The part that where was that in Florida that they I told you we'll get there. That dang it. Yeah. You're not going to throw me off my game. That's right. Right. Tricky. So the cops packing up their stuff, they're trying to leave. And Otis started laughing and said, well, are you are you not going to ask me about the little boy? Oh, no. Big question, Mark. No, I don't want to hear. But bye, sir. July 27th, 1981.
00:02:55
Speaker
Oh, no. Ravey Walsh took her son, Adam, to a local Sears in Hollywood, Florida, where she was looking for lamps. Adam six at the time saw a new video game display. And as we know, this is 1981. It was still new. Yeah. So video games were like the shiz. Right. Well, they still are, apparently. So Adam asked his mom, like any other kid would. Can I go play? Yep. Can I go to this? This just the display.
00:03:24
Speaker
and watch the kids play this game. Rave looked around, saw that the game was no more than a couple of hours away from where she was going to be anyway. And so she decided it'd be all right if Adam stayed. No. Well, she trusted her son, knew that he was obedient and always did what he was told. So when she said to him, stay right here at the game until she finished buying the lamp that she wanted. She wasn't far away from Adam. In fact, she could hear the video games going. So she knew he was still there.
00:03:54
Speaker
It wasn't I think it was less than 10 minutes and she went to get Adam to leave. And he's not. And he wasn't there. Panic set in immediately for a. She ran to the security guard who told her to just have the kid paged, but he never came to the desk. She called her husband, John, and told him what
The Search for Adam
00:04:16
Speaker
was going on. He was there in minutes. The cops were called. They proceeded to tell the Walches.
00:04:22
Speaker
that Adam will show up soon. Everything's fine. He probably just wandered off and pisses me off. I know. Trust me. I know. Raven John search them all themselves. Sorry, but never found Adam at that time.
00:04:39
Speaker
Missing children were treated like missing adults. Wasn't until 24 to 48 hours after they disappeared where he said they would start taking it seriously. He said then back then not the same as it is. He said I know. Oh.
00:04:56
Speaker
So, like I said, they roamed around the mall. They were trying to find him. There was nothing after 24 hours. No, sorry, it wasn't even 24 hours. Rever Rivas and John just did it themselves. Riva and Rave. Wow, you're right. I can't read again. Rave and John just did it themselves. John had his friends and his neighbors that he called and asked them to help search around the area for Adam.
00:05:19
Speaker
where he was last seen. So the entire freaking community came out. Yeah. The entire day into the night, they
Discovery of Adam's Remains
00:05:26
Speaker
looked for him. Rave refused to drive her car out of the parking lot where she had parked me out of the mall. Try me. Not even close, dude. Yeah. But she refused to move her car out of the parking spot that they had been in just in case Adam came back.
00:05:41
Speaker
And so John went home, got pillows because I get again, I said it went into the night. So John, his dad went to the house, got some pillows and blankets, toss them into the car, left the car open and wrote a note for his son and left it on the windshield that said, stay in the car. Mommy and daddy are looking for you the next morning. That is heartbreaking. Oh, I know. I couldn't even imagine. No, just no. Well, it makes me just already makes me squeeze Caleb a little bit more, you know,
00:06:12
Speaker
Anyways, so like I said, they had the the search party and they left the car with the note. They went to the car the next morning, but Adam was still not there. John and his friends continue to search, but found nothing. They left that car in the same parking lot in the same parking spot that they could as long as they but I never turned up. At this point, the biggest police search in Florida at the time was being assembled.
00:06:40
Speaker
cops that were off duty, not being paid or out looking. John suggested that they started making missing persons posters and start hanging them up like everywhere, everywhere. No one at that time had ever done that before. So in 1981, the first missing person poster was created by John Walsh and hung everywhere, including airlines, just in case somebody was trying to take Adam out of the state. She's John started contacting the national news.
00:07:09
Speaker
The national news networks about Adam. I just realized who this is. Chill out. Just realized who this is. Calm down. I knew it sounded familiar. Oh, yeah. This is how I fell down the rabbit hole because I didn't know the backstory. Like I knew like the bare minimum of his backstory. You just wait. But I didn't realize like I just clicked who this was. Yeah. Just wait. I think and why is it? I guarantee you. You didn't know the hat.
00:07:40
Speaker
And that is why the rabbit hole got deeper and deeper. I just know a son got killed and that's how he started what he started. I mean, everybody knows who it is at this point. I would hope so. I'm the last person that's like, I know who it is. Gosh, I'm stupid. All right. So John started contacting local news stations and all the major networks about Adam and
00:08:03
Speaker
They all said the same thing. If we do it for Adam, we'd have to do it for everyone else. So. Oh, pause. What? You'd have to actually help find missing children. What? Major news networks. All of them. You're shocked. All the major ones. How they kept the story of Jeffrey Epstein on lockdown for how many years? I'm not letting people tell it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying that I'm shocked, but like, dude.
00:08:29
Speaker
No, because if we do it for you, we have to do it for everybody. This is I am not asking for extra cheese on a hamburger. OK, I use our power to help the people who need it. This position of power is to make us money and give us power. Yeah. Thank you so much for your sad story about your missing son. Bye bye.
00:08:49
Speaker
Yeah. In a nutshell. In a nutshell. I know. Dude, I was pissed. Pissed. So, alright. The Walsh's were actually investing their own money into making all of the flyers, doing everything that they were doing. But they started running low. Obviously, right? It's not cheap doing what you do.
00:09:09
Speaker
No, because neither of them are working 40 hours a day either right now, obviously. No. So there's no new income. You're going through savings, retirement, everything, which would do so. I'll be homeless after this. Absolutely. Absolutely. So two weeks after Adam disappeared. Good morning, America contacted the Walsh's and wanted to tell their story. Oh, well, thank you. Both John and Ravey were like beyond ecstatic. They could finally tell their story.
00:09:37
Speaker
and get it out to all of America to keep an eye out for their son. They got to New York and just a little bit before the show was about
Confessions and Mishandling of Evidence
00:09:46
Speaker
to start and they were about to get interviewed. John got a call from a friend back home in Florida asking John if he had Adam's dental records.
00:09:54
Speaker
Oh, John asked why. Oh, that's not the question. And very, very reluctantly, his friend told him that a young boy's head had been found in a canal 100 miles away from where Adam was taken. Oh, no. John got the information, even knowing that his son died. Like I know the end. No, but listen.
00:10:17
Speaker
So John got the information to his friend, but didn't believe what he was saying. Like, would you? No, you've got to. And like in his mind, there's no way that his son's head was found. He's only been gone like what a month in a canal. This was. Hold on one second. Let me pull back one page. I think it was two weeks. Yeah, it was two weeks after he disappeared that Good Morning America had contacted him. Yeah. So.
00:10:45
Speaker
There was just no way that he could believe that his son was in that situation. You can't let yourself even fathom that that could be true. No. How do you even stay? And how would it be in a canal a hundred miles away from where the boy was? It's been two weeks, but yeah. No, I know that. But like still, it's no parent is going to. You're just not. You can't connect those dots in your head. You have to believe that someone else's kid. So John composed himself and went on with the interview.
00:11:15
Speaker
A few hours after the interview, John's friend contacted him again and confirmed to John that the decapitated head that they found in the canal was in fact, Adam's. Yeah, that sucks so bad. So I had watched this thing and John Walsh himself was actually talking about it. He was like, I lost my mind. Yeah. Like I broke everything in that hotel room. I was throwing stuff. I was shattering stuff. Anything that I could put my hands on, I like destroyed.
00:11:44
Speaker
They called the cops. They called it. Yeah, they called the cops. They called the they called doctors in because they knew what was happening. And now like this man, his dad, he's he's he's just found out. Yeah. I'm sorry. Just found out that his boy is gone. Yeah. Like everything that he has done for this has been for nothing. Not so. Like I said, he lost his mind. The doctors ended up giving him a shot just to calm him down.
00:12:13
Speaker
Yeah. And so the officers and doctors and stuff on the scene. Yeah, that's how I asked him where Ravey was. And they were like, you know, we need we need to tell her like what's happening. Oh, his wife doesn't even know yet. Not yet. No. Oh, so he was by himself when he found out. So he basically told everybody like, no, you're not you're not going to say a word to Ravey. I have to do this.
00:12:39
Speaker
Like I have to tell her. Yeah, she doesn't want to hear it from a stranger. So the Walsh's held a funeral for Adam and hundreds of people to pay their respects. And they didn't even know the majority of them. It was just the community. Well, at this point, all these people are invested. Yeah. Good morning. America has probably aired.
00:12:59
Speaker
only to say at the end that the boy, the boy's head was. Yeah. The community came out and helped search like. Hmm. Hmm. That's that that that's that small town vibe. Yeah. That people talk about where the community just comes together. Yeah. That happens everywhere. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everywhere today. So. Oh. And the thing is that the only part of Adam that was ever found was his head. His body was never found.
00:13:28
Speaker
And so the Walsh's had to bury an empty casket because Adam's head was evidence. That's awful. So the police got busy trying to find the killer. You can't even go visit the the remain. There's like nothing there. Like when you go, you know, there's just dirt, which I mean, eventually there is anywhere. And I get that. But just to know every time you see that tombstone, your baby's still not.
00:13:54
Speaker
Yeah. And that's every person.
Analyzing Otis Tool's Confessions: Guilty or Not?
00:13:56
Speaker
And I know everybody always says, oh, give them a Christian burial. It has nothing to do with that. It's not just a Christian ritual. It's a that's an everybody ritual. It's a resting place. Yes. That's why they're called that. Yeah. Even when somebody is cremated, you know where they are. Yeah. But their ashes still remain. But to go there and know this is empty. This is an arresting place. This is a placeholder. So.
00:14:23
Speaker
The police got busy trying to find the killer, obviously, and so naturally the parents were the first to be interrogated. And I'm sorry, but it is what it is. Of course it is for like the individual, but at the same time, like cases have been through enough. No, I 100 percent understand why they would do that. They have to. How many people?
00:14:43
Speaker
Do it to their own kid and fake sob that their kid went missing. I know, but they don't have it. I know, you know, when somebody is actually innocent. Absolutely. Yeah, that sucks. And do you know how many conspiracy theories there are today that he did it to his own son? You didn't fall down that rabbit hole. I don't even want to go there. Oh, yeah, it's angering. So anyways, I'm sorry. All right. So.
00:15:10
Speaker
The Hollywood Police Department brought in a specialist from Miami homicide who conducted polygraph tests. His name was Joe Matthews. Joe cleared both John and Revey from committing the crime against their son. Keep Joe Matthews name in the back of your head because he's going to come back soon. All right. There were tips that were coming in from witnesses at the mall who said that they saw the
00:15:37
Speaker
They saw this, they saw that. Yeah, they just want to be a part of the story. Well, I mean, I'm sure people at that point maybe were just I saw this like, I don't know if it's relevant. I don't know if it's not relevant, but this is what it's all right. Yeah. So one witness said that they saw Adam get pulled into a blue van, a copstick action. They were checking blue vans any time they saw one, but nothing ever came out of it. Every clue, every tip came up empty.
00:16:05
Speaker
months turned to years with no new evidence, no new clues until 1983, when a man named Otis Toole told one of the many detectives who came to talk to him about the crimes that he had committed said to the Florida native officer, I thought you were going to ask me about the little boy I killed in Fort Lauderdale with all the lies that have already been
00:16:34
Speaker
spewed by this man. Basically, they pretty much just dismiss the confession. They were like, sure you did, but you did, man. Right. Yeah. Um, guy like Otis Otis, I did it again. You did. I mean, just kind of like, again, you saw his picture. Yeah. Right. What six year old would willingly go
00:16:57
Speaker
with a guy who is, I mean, I'm sorry, he's creepy. But here's the deal on the flip side of that. He is creepy looking, but he also looks like he's got a handicap, right? Let's just.
00:17:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I could understand that. And I've drilled into my kid's head a hundred times. We don't make fun of people that have any kind of handicap. We help them if they need help. So if you're halfway smart with Otis and he's used to trapping people, he uses that to his advantage with a child. You almost make yourself more approachable because you do look different.
00:17:35
Speaker
And it puts the kid at ease thinking this is someone that needs help. I don't know. Because there's a kid at my daughter's school who's much older, much older than any of the other kids there. But because he's mentally handicapped, he's in the elementary school still. And we drove up the other morning and Bella rolled down her window and yelled at him and said, hi. And I said, are you friends with him?
00:17:58
Speaker
And she was like, I try to help him because he's special and and some people make fun of him. So I try to help him and I was like, good girl. Yeah. But the kid is much older. Yeah. Much older.
00:18:13
Speaker
So while I am saying good girl, on the other hand, it's a vulnerability. You got to still say you don't need to be alone with that person. Yeah. You know, all these things and you don't want to say it because then you're trying, you're kind of combating what you've ground into their heads. And we treat everyone with respect and we treat these people better than most because people make fun of them. So if you've got an adult coming up to a kid,
00:18:38
Speaker
acting more maybe disabled than they are, it's a ploy to get that kid at the kids automatically going to be more compliant and try to help this person because that's what they've been taught. Honestly, that's pretty profound. Honestly, well, you know, you look different. So if you just act and you just talk a certain way.
00:19:00
Speaker
And, you know, I need help. The kid's going to be more compliant instead of screaming if you just try to grab them. Personally speaking, I mean, there's always that question like kind of in the back of your head. Like how how did this how did no one see it? It's a crowded. It's a crowded freaking area. And everybody is consumed with what they're doing. There's no every. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to sound like a dick, but
00:19:27
Speaker
A crying toddler being carried out of a mall is not that uncommon. No, that's why I teach my kid. If someone grabs you, you start screaming. You're not my parent. Someone help me. You need to start screaming something. Don't just scream and cry. Yeah. Use your words. I don't know you. This is not my mom. This is not my dad. I don't know this person. What's my name? That's what I always told Caleb. What is my name? Tell me my name. Scream it. Yell it at the top of your lungs. You need to be specific.
00:19:55
Speaker
Yes, because if you know what, you're just somebody. Exactly. And if somebody looks at you and you're screaming at the top of your lung, you're not my dad. You're not my mom. Tell me my name. Yeah. And you're that's somebody's going to intervene. Yeah. As opposed to a parent carrying out a bratty kid that you didn't get the newest toy they want. Yeah. Always. And I've been telling that same thing, man, like be specific.
00:20:24
Speaker
Yeah, you have to use your words. I hate this story already. I know. I'm sorry. It's not going to get any better. I know. So again, they dismissed it, but Otis brought it up again. Later on, he gave details of the abduction where he took him. The police actually took Otis out of jail and showed him where to go. Because this is a this is a nationwide known case.
The Walsh Family's Advocacy and Reforms
00:20:53
Speaker
Now, then probably not. We'd been on Good Morning America at that point. True. True. But everybody knew about it at least. It was on a national broadcast. It's not a hometown murder. This has been on national TV. So they took Otis out of the jail and took him on the road and Otis was literally leading and directing them where to go.
00:21:18
Speaker
Oh, he made him stop off on the side of the road. This is where I killed him. According to Otis, at one point, this was a different resource. So again, I don't know if it's true, but he said that Adam was crying. Now, I don't disbelieve that he just got taken from his mom in something that he probably thought was just like a nothingness. Right. But he was screaming. He was crying. And so Otis punched him in the face to try to get him to shut up. A six year old.
00:21:46
Speaker
Yeah, so he basically was like I got sick of it. I pulled off right here and I I killed him here and used a machete and decapitated him. I left the body where it was at, but I took the head with me and I threw it into the backseat where it landed on the floorboard. Now, there were multiple times where his story changed. Otis.
00:22:13
Speaker
where he was like, no, I actually drug the body. No way I buried it. No, I threw it under some leaves. I did this. I did that. For all his other stories or this story? This story. OK. This particular story. OK. Because he brought them to where he said he left the body. There was no body. So.
00:22:30
Speaker
He would say, well, I drug it into the woods. I did this, whatever, whatever. So this is a national story. Again, we don't know if he actually did it. So the police actually found Otis's car. They found a machete. They took pictures. They did the whole deal. Yeah. But the only place that was accurate was where Adam's head was found.
00:22:56
Speaker
So after all the travels that they had done, Otis pointed out where he tossed the head in the canal, which was a known place because it was a national story. So so he didn't give any details that could be proven that wasn't on national news. Turns out, actually, that there was a movie that had been released about Adam and the details of where the head was found was seen by the public.
00:23:23
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This it was a movie. Yeah. But after Good Morning, America, and they went on to say, ask for help at that point. No, at that point, I don't know if they are. I guarantee I'm sure they did a story. I guarantee that they videotaped the place in the river that had was found since it was a national story. There's no way every single news journalist wasn't out there with a camera. Yeah. Because that's how they make their money. Adam's body was never recovered.
00:23:52
Speaker
To this day, to this day. Yeah, no, it's not cute. So Otis wound up recanting a statement about killing Adam. And based on all of the lies that he had been telling from the beginning. And again, guys, you want to go do your own research about Otis, about Henry. Y'all go on and do that. But this podcast, we always end up talking about the victims more than we talk about the people that murdered them. Yeah.
00:24:17
Speaker
And there's always a rare few thing, but I'm just either way, I'm sorry. All right. So he recanted a statement and it was concluded that he lied about Adam to the lives of the washes were literally falling apart at this point. John dove into like a huge depression. And John Walsh, John Walsh, you said John Doe.
00:24:40
Speaker
No, I said dove. Oh, dove dove into John Doe. OK, gotcha. Sorry. Of course you of course you got depressed because that was their only kid, right? OK. No, I think they had three other kids. It doesn't matter if it's your only kid or not. Doesn't matter any kid. Yeah, that was really dumb thing to say. I know. Well, for some reason, I thought it was their only kid at that time. No. Anyways, but Ravey went
00:25:06
Speaker
the entirely opposite direction. She didn't get depressed and fall into all this. She actually opened the first Adam Walsh Center for missing children. Eventually, John got involved as well. And they pushed so hard for change that as a result, President Reagan signed the Missing Child Act and they just kept pushing from there.
00:25:27
Speaker
On February 19th, 1988, a new show aired on cable TV, which you knew exactly where we were going with this.
Dismissal of Other Suspects and Case Reopening
00:25:34
Speaker
It took me way too long to figure it out, but yes. Called America's Most Wanted. John hosted the show and actually I found out they just they re-upped it again. Yeah. This year. Yeah. So anyways, in 1992, a call came in to the tip line about Adam, a man named Lionel Dahmer.
00:25:54
Speaker
Mm. Who was quoted as saying, don't forget that Jeffrey's preference was young boys. Turns out that Jeffrey Dahmer was in fact. In the area at the time, he worked like three miles away from where Adam was taken. Of course he did. The job he had provided work vehicles, one of which was a blue van. And I don't remember. I don't know if you. Yeah, I remember that. Come back into it. All right. So they were looking for that blue van forever.
00:26:22
Speaker
I had said earlier that that they had searched for the blue van. John begged police to go talk to Dahmer. Yeah. Like was begging them. Yeah. They kept telling him no. Why? They were not going to talk to him about Adam. No, I don't know. Like, I don't.
00:26:41
Speaker
There was no rhyme or reason behind any of it. What's the point? I don't see why they wouldn't. Nothing. This guy has a has a platform to rat you out. Oh, yeah. So they finally agreed and they went out to Milwaukee to talk to Jeffrey Dahmer and ask them about Adam. They showed him a picture and Jeffrey basically was just like, no, he's too young. And that's that. I mean, at that point, what are you going to do?
00:27:10
Speaker
This is a guy that found what? I think they found 11 heads in his fridge. Yeah. Of decapitated people. Right. So, I mean, honestly, like the ammo kind of fits. And he wouldn't have thrown away the head. I don't think so. So honestly, I could go on and on and on about all the twists and turns about Otis Toole, Henry Lee Lucas, Dahmer. But the only voice that mattered to me was Adams. Yeah. His life.
00:27:41
Speaker
Brought joy to his family. His death took his family to heights they never could have imagined and lows from a missing child report line to national TV shows to changing presidents. Yep. To let to changing legislation's and creating new laws. Adam's life meant something. It mattered and it made changes. And it was amazing. But the question still remains who killed Adam. Don't Google that.
00:28:09
Speaker
So Joe Matthews, remember that name? Yeah, the top. He was the one that had to interrogate the Walsh's. Yeah. And do the polygraph to write. All right. So now retired, he ended up coming back into John Walsh's life. He was hired by America's most wanted to research cold cases. Nice. So John and his wife, Ravey, asked Joe if they could just meet up and talk
00:28:37
Speaker
And pretty much just asked Joe, like, will you please dive back into Adam's case? And try to give us some. Yeah, try to get us some answers. John was like, I promise you, I will do everything I can. Right. So he went back to Hollywood, Florida and started making requests for files and all this other stuff. And this time he wasn't denied any information. Well, look at that before. Yeah.
00:29:07
Speaker
Red tape, red tape, red tape, right? I'm sure. So he found a report from the hotline that was open at that time about a young girl
Legacy of Adam Walsh's Case
00:29:19
Speaker
who was approached by what she called a creepy guy in a toy store or no, I'm sorry, in an aisle at a store that it was the toy aisle. Basically, he asked her to take a ride with him and the girl said no and ran to her mother.
00:29:36
Speaker
The girl now 14 years old. I think she was 11 when it when it first happened. Yeah. OK, she told her mom about it. But 14 now she sees a picture of Otis Toole in the paper and began to scream at her mother. Yeah. And was like, that's the guy. That's him. That was the guy that tried to get me to go for a ride. So they called the tip line. Turns out the police never even followed up on the claim. Of course not.
00:30:04
Speaker
the information she would have given would have placed Otis Otis, sorry, Otis in the same area that Adam had been taken. There was a report that the same security guard that Ravey went to at the beginning to ask about Adam. And she told him her to page have Adam page.
00:30:29
Speaker
Turns out that she kicked Adam and the other kids out of the store earlier for fighting over the game. Shame on you. He's sick. I was just going to say, man. How do you kick a six year old out of the store? Would you not be the mother of all of those children? Teens are not.
00:30:47
Speaker
He was six! He was in a teenager! You're gonna kick them out on the moms freaking out? You're not gonna say, I kicked him out? You're just gonna say, Paige him? You know you kicked him out. Paige is not gonna help, you stupid twat. Bro, I'm sure probably at that time, she wouldn't want to admit to that. What a piece of crap. That's what I'm saying. It never came forward and said, this is what happened that day. It was buried in a report somewhere.
00:31:13
Speaker
She probably did tell the cops cops felt no need to investigate it, I guess. I don't know. Oh, but I'm not just saying just in that you're in a store, kids are acting rowdy. You kick them out a six year old. You kick them out. It's a logical decision. Hey, what's your mom's name? Exactly. Or what's your name? Yeah. Can the parent of. Oh, shame on you.
00:31:41
Speaker
I'm sorry. That one triggered me a little bit. All right. Yeah, I think we both. Yeah. So Adam walked out the same door that Otis claimed in his confession that that's where he picked him up. A witness came forward in 1991 stating that he saw Adam getting into a car that had a dent in the right rear bumper, but that the child went willingly like he knew the man that took Joe.
00:32:08
Speaker
down a dark path. He contacted local police for the car. As it happened, the car was searched. Pictures were taken. A machete was found. A blood soaked carpet was found. But all of it was lost. The car was destroyed. They misplaced carpet. Whose car was it? Otis's? Yeah. So they had it in their like investigation and evidence and it just got thrown away. I'm sorry. I it was misplaced. I know you can't see my quotes. Right. But the car itself.
00:32:39
Speaker
Mm hmm. Was actually destroyed. Yeah, but you're supposed to keep the evidence. Yeah. Yeah. So bad words. Oh, I know. Yeah, there was nothing about this that was pleasing to me as I kept researching. Like, I'm not even kidding. So they said that there were a lot of pictures that were taken. So Joe got a hold of the the place that was keeping the photos as if he could have and the woman
00:33:08
Speaker
answered that answered the phone and accepted his request, told Joe that he was the first person in 27 years to ask for these pictures. Good investigation skills. So now now that the trigger warning. Mm hmm.
00:33:25
Speaker
So at the end of this podcast, I'll give you guys like some of the sites that I use to gather my information. I'll put them in the links and you can you can go research it on your own if you want to. I will say that it was devastating with one of the shows that I watched because there are images that got burned into my mind that I didn't wish I hadn't watched. Yeah. All right. So the photos that Joe had to look at were unimaginable.
00:33:55
Speaker
The witness that described the car that he saw Adam get into with the dent was a match to the photo photos that had been taking of Otis's car. All right. As Joe continued to look through the photos, things got more clear and more gruesome. There were pictures of the luminal that they sprayed to uncover blood, which shines bright blue.
00:34:21
Speaker
Right. Knowing that that that's blood. A machete was found with blood stains. And if they still had that at this point, they could DNA test it. According to Otis's original statement, he said that he took Adam's head with him and tossed it into the backseat of the car where it ended up landing on the floorboard. Yeah, I remember the pictures that Joe looked at would scar him for life. He saw a picture that was bright blue with luminol.
00:34:49
Speaker
And it very clearly showed the face of Adam Walsh. Blood covered on the carpet. None of this evidence was ever looked at by the original detectives. Why not? Who knows? Otis Toole died in prison in 1996, 10 years before all the evidence came to light or 10 years after. I'm sorry. After all the evidence came to light and Joe had put together the entire picture of what actually happened to Adam.
00:35:20
Speaker
27 years after Adam's death, the Hollywood Florida Police Department issued a statement of apology to the Walsh family that makes it better for missing the evidence and tried trying to cover their own tracks. They accepted responsibility for the mishandling of information and evidence. And in 2008, Adam Walsh's case was finally closed. Otis Toole died in jail before his execution. He was never convicted of killing Adam. He claimed to have killed Adam and then denied it.
00:35:50
Speaker
and also came to all of it. And as it all came to light, it was found that Otis did, in fact, kill Adam. The only part of any of this that Adam's lost life was never in vain. I was going to say, if they had caught Otis from the beginning, though, the Walsh's might not have pushed so hard. One crazy man turned a husband and a wife into soldiers for the lost.
00:36:20
Speaker
the deceased and the abused. National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Code Adam. You can find the page by searching Code Adam or
00:36:31
Speaker
missing kids dot org. They also accept donations if you feel like to do so. But, you know, if they had if if they hadn't discounted Otis's confession and then brushed it off because the stories change, the washes might have just mourned, but they'd have had their answers. They wouldn't have had to push so hard for answers and it wouldn't have taken them down this road. So who knows how long until legislation changed?
00:36:59
Speaker
and hotlines and tip lines and all this that came about because you're just mourning your child. You're not. You know what I mean? Like you're not fighting for answers and turning over every single thing you can. Yeah. So while I hate that they had to wait 26 years to find out what happened to their kid, what they've done in those 27 years has been my change in tool. Yeah.
00:37:26
Speaker
monumental for sure. So all of that. Like, can I tell you, though, like I was going to do the whole episode on on Otis and then I fell down that rabbit hole. Fuck Otis. Yeah. You know, like I know I get it like he had a bad childhood. I get all this, but it doesn't. It does not justify what she's old bro. Six. I can't I can't fathom shit like that. And then like all the stuff that that I've been seeing on
00:37:56
Speaker
on TikTok lately with these kids that are going missing. There was one little girl that was in Texas. They still haven't found her yet. Yeah. Uh, the, the Sumner summer case that's here in Tennessee, still haven't found her. Right. About that case where the mom sold her like four year old to all those drug dealers and they basically raped her to death. No, I think she was three. She was two, three or four.
00:38:20
Speaker
And they raped her to death, like five grown men. So this woman could get drugs or whatever. It's been in like the past month. And I saw a story, again, the case is actually going on right now, I think.
00:38:34
Speaker
where the dad like beat the girl to death. Yeah. Folded her, put her in a frickin bag. It is. Dude, come on. I. Despicable. So whatever. I don't even know what to say anymore. Like I don't know. I don't want to lay back on my couch. The future of humanity is bleak. Yeah. And I told you guys that I would give some sites on where I got some of my information. If you want to go look back into it, go for it.
00:39:04
Speaker
Um, you know, if not, I wouldn't. So serial killers on Spotify. That's literally what it's called serial killers. They have a part one, part two of Otis tool. Uh, they also have, I just go on Spotify and search Otis tool podcasts and you'll get a little and serial. Yeah. Serial killers pop up. Um, they actually have one too about, uh, Henry Lee Lucas, uh, cold blood season four, episode 10. And, uh, to be quite honest with you, you do.
00:39:33
Speaker
If you just search there's Otis Tool interviews. Netflix has the confession killer that was mostly about Henry. Mm hmm. But yeah, man, there's probably a few more. But honestly, I got I got tired of seeing all the hearing it. Yeah. It's only so much you can put that in your head. I'm just going to throw out the friggin trigger warning because the Cold Blood season four episode 10 actually shows the luminol picture.
00:40:01
Speaker
Mmm of Adam's face on the carpet. You can clearly see the face and And it was there the whole time Hold on. Honestly, like I fucking hate myself or even but you know again if they if people had done their jobs appropriately and he had been found they would have just been to quote-unquote normal grieving parents and
00:40:25
Speaker
They wouldn't have dedicated their lives and help so many people. Yeah. Which pisses me off even more if you get into some of like the deep conspiracy theories. It's that John Walsh did it to his son so he could get fame so he could make this show like that's the biggest one, because I've I've seen that multiple times. There's so much speculation.
00:40:51
Speaker
over the crap that Otis had said in some of his passions about he was a part of a satanic cult that none of that justifies. They called themselves this and that. And I'm just like, how? And that makes it OK. We know. No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. Like, there are so many what you said, conspiracy theories.
00:41:14
Speaker
Right. You don't know what people is saying is true. You don't know what's a lie. Correct. None of us are ever going to know. And that's what bothers me the most. I think we can all pretty much agree that it was Oda's tool. It was. It was no doubt in my mind, especially if you can see the face like I think he was probably probably below average intelligence. He was abused mentally and physically from a very, very early age.
00:41:44
Speaker
And I think he probably did go on a pillaging, raping, killing, years worth. It started when he was what, 14? He started killing when he was 14. You think he can keep all the lives he took straight and all the details straight? He can't. And then when he tries to tell you what happened, when he, because the first story he told of Adam Walsh,
00:42:06
Speaker
was more than likely true, but because they couldn't find the body, they're pressing them, pressing them. So he's like, well, maybe it was this one. And he's changing details of all his different, because it's not straight in his head anymore. You can't tell me his head is a good place to be in. Right.
00:42:21
Speaker
So he's meshing stories together, but he tried to tell you the truth. You just didn't want to hear it. Yeah. And you didn't look at the evidence you had that backed it up. But I think a lot of it, too, wasn't just that he was confessing to this is that he had confessed so much. And it was they're just like, you know what, buddy? Just shut up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you're done. We're done with your fame. Crap. We're done. We're done with all of it. Right.
00:42:50
Speaker
We're not giving you any more 15 minutes. Yeah. And it sucks because you just you don't know like it and you're not going to know. No. No, I do believe 100 percent that Otis took Adam's life. And for me as a human talking about this case and talking about a six year old who was decapitated and shit like that. I'm serious. Like go right back to what we were talking about earlier. If you see something, say something.
00:43:19
Speaker
Watch your surroundings, look around you and just be present. Get off your phone. Just be present. Right. Well, when you ask me to do Henry's story, I will at some point, but not anytime soon. I need a break from these two. OK. Yeah, because keep in mind Otis left because Henry took his niece was involved. Yeah. So who knew what he did in a federal age?
00:43:49
Speaker
Mm hmm. And she's anyway. I'm sorry. I told you this story was going to suck. But you know what? I am very happy that I told a story like that because we always do the same kind of thing when it came to our podcast. And from the very beginning, we was talking about that. Yeah, not trying to give too much light to the people who committed them. Mm hmm. And so I don't want to play anymore. I know. I want to get my things and go to the new sandbox.
00:44:21
Speaker
You're going to take your ball, go home face. I'm going to make a blanket fort and coloring the rest of the day, unicorns and rainbows. I'm sorry. I am. I am. I am. I am emotionally some kind of way. It's not kosher. You act like you haven't done the same thing to me. I don't care. OK. You train guy. Oh.
00:44:41
Speaker
I cried. I, Lisa, freaking got emotional. I don't do that. Okay? Like, oh, you fella, you cut yourself, freaking grow up. Like, I don't... Shut up. Just... All right, guys. I hope that you can go do something healthy for your mental state.
00:45:05
Speaker
bubble bath walk punching bag whatever you need yeah and uh thank you so much lisa i can't believe like i heard you talking about the washes the whole time and you said john wash and i'm thinking nothing
00:45:19
Speaker
And all of a sudden I was like, oh, well, I mean, because like literally it's just a name until you really start putting it together. Wait, John Walsh's son died. Yeah. But but going into the I knew he died for millions. I didn't know it was it was that horrendous. Yeah. Like not that any kid dying. But yeah, I knew his son was killed. And honey, there's a difference between. Yeah. I couldn't imagine being a parent and hearing something like that. And the fact that the two of them
00:45:49
Speaker
took the information they had didn't fall into a pit of despair. Yeah, alcohol, freaking whatever. They raised the rest of their three kids and everybody's good. And I feel like how they pulled themselves out. I have no idea. I would just be trying to get through each day. Yeah. Without breaking down.
00:46:09
Speaker
Yeah, without Vicodin. I was going to say, I have to be like killers. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm sorry, guys. There's part two of Otis tool, the tool Otis is a tool. OK, well, yeah. Have a great day. Have a good night. Talk to you guys later. Peace. Bye.