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England's Monster David Fuller
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In this, EXTREMELY DISTRUBING, story Lisa is telling us about the horrific life of David Fuller. A seemingly harmless, ordinary man from England, whose crimes will haunt those affected, even after they think their trauma is done. I really have no words for this one, buckle up!
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Transcript
Introduction and Uncomfortable Topics
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, hello and happy winter. Thanks to Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa, the chair scooter at the most. I'm so sorry. Look, I am never comfortable.
00:00:19
Speaker
We should know this better. Like, like, be real. Yeah.
Holiday Reflections and Episode Timing
00:00:22
Speaker
So I hope you guys all had a great Christmas. Yeah. And almost a happy new year, depending on when this drops. But for us at the moment, not a happy new year. But it's not new year yet. Yeah. But even if we drop this in six months, hope you're having a great new year. Who knows? Be a mystery. Yeah, just kind of depends on what's going on at that present moment. What catastrophe is happening? Yeah. Yeah. What kid is sick? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:00:48
Speaker
pretty life for life right now. So.
Emotional Podcast Moments
00:00:50
Speaker
Yeah. So how you been Faith? Just great. I saw you two days ago Lisa. You did. I try to forget. Yeah. Yeah. That's all good. So anyways. So Lisa's turn to talk tonight. So buckle up buttercup. That's my turn. We've had some really interesting podcasts these last two. Did you drop them in order? I think so. So basically for two weeks straight
00:01:18
Speaker
I got like emotional. You did because you dropped, I did drop your guy.
00:01:23
Speaker
that I dropped by trade boy. Yeah, like it upset me like not not like can I just say like I am not like when I say got emotional, like I get emotional during basically every podcast, but it's usually like anger rage. Yeah, rage. I made you cry. Yeah. You didn't even cry on yours. I count that. No, I got choked up a little bit on mine when reading the poem only because I felt for that dad like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like here's this guy that, you know, he spent his whole life like
00:01:51
Speaker
Just doing the best I could. Everything you could. And the kid, like, even though he was an absolute sociopath, like recognize the fact that his dad tried. Yeah. It was the only good thing in his life. Yeah.
The Wendy Nell Case
00:02:04
Speaker
Well, unfortunately, tonight, I don't know if I should just go ahead and grab the the garbage bucket that's sitting behind me. You might need a vomit bag. Oh, good. Yeah. This was not a cute one. I let me just tell you, too, I went through about
00:02:20
Speaker
Look at she's on your phone. You can't even focus on me for eight seconds. I was trying to see if I dropped them all, but I pulled up Apple podcast instead of Spotify because I didn't want to mess up where I was. And Apple podcast is completely out of line, like out of order. Really? Like it's all over the place. But then I clicked on our podcast and did it the right way.
00:02:44
Speaker
And it is a father's tale, but for Aaron Foust was two episodes ago and Joe Airdy was last week. So are the last drop. It was not last week. Good. All right. So we are kind of in order. So basically everything I just said makes actual sense. If we drop this and not stop this, go back and listen to the last two. And Lisa doesn't display much tearful anything toward anybody. Really? She's got one emotion. It's anger.
00:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, like 90 percent. Her boyfriend is shaking his head. Yes. In the background, he actually says that I have like over 100 personalities. And sometimes when I like that, he's met. I've told him that he's met. I'll just click off and like just say something stupid. And he's like, so that was number 91. No, we were only 86 when he walked in from the garage earlier. Oh, OK. OK. Brian, you're dismissed. Need you to get out of here. You're making this worse.
00:03:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I believe the fifth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No takebacks, Brian. No takebacks. All right. So we'll just we'll just jump in with what I got here, Faith. All right. And you just might be angry, disgusted, a mixture.
Caroline Pierce Connection
00:03:57
Speaker
You're you're just going to listen right now. That's all. That's all required of you. No, I'm not good at that. All right. So we're going to start with a young lady named Wendy Nell, who was 25 years old, lived alone, small apartment.
00:04:11
Speaker
She was a manager at a Photoshop. Well, I should probably backtrack just just a tiny, tiny smidge. All right. So this is not a United States case. OK. This happened in Royal Tumbridge Wells. OK. You know where that is? OK. OK. All right. Just making sure. Hey, hello. You know, neither one of us are great at geography. Yeah. But I know about Princess Di, the lovely Princess Megan and the horrid parkles.
00:04:38
Speaker
Cool. I'm going to not comment on that because I don't know who actually listened. So anyway, I'm playing. I'm playing. So Wendy was a manager at a Photoshop. What year are we in? I'll get there in a minute. OK, you said Photoshop, so it's not recent. I don't feel like correct. You look at you getting all like a Photoshop dates you. We don't need any more. Nobody does that.
00:05:04
Speaker
So she was just super reliable, really sweet, looking forward to just life and the possibility of children with her new boyfriend or not new, but longtime boyfriend. I was going to say, oh, she's jumping the gun. But no, no, no. But on June 22nd, 1987. Yeah, I was young. Yeah. Yeah. I was born like two years before that. Yeah, we were two. We're the same age. I'm dumb. No, we're not.
00:05:34
Speaker
Barely. You are so much more closer to 40 than I am. Yeah, but like what, six months? No. I was born 85. You were 86. I was 84. I was 86. I'd be. Yes, back. Younger than. Back one. Yeah, whatever. She will see what I do. You know what? I can't math. OK, I thought we've already like accomplished this our first episode. Either way. Either way. Irrelevant. So Ian and his girlfriend
00:06:03
Speaker
Wendy spent the night hanging out doing whatever after she had gotten off work and he dropped her off. They said their goodbyes. And that would be the last time anybody saw Wendy. Turns out Wendy had absolutely no idea she was being stopped. Oh, man. The next day, her body was found by her boyfriend, which like, OK, it's one thing.
00:06:24
Speaker
to like, you know, some passerby.
Advancements in DNA Testing
00:06:27
Speaker
It's traumatic, no matter, but it's double. It's so much worse when we'll know with somebody that is absolutely in love with you. That's the worst. So found found Wendy's body. She had been beaten brutally, strangled, strangled, sexually assaulted during the autopsy. Turns out that she had been raped orally, vaginally, anally. Wow. And semen was left.
00:06:54
Speaker
But could they test it back then? No. Didn't think so. Nope. They could not test it, but they held everything in nice little evidence. They actually kept it and didn't lose it. Right. Way to go, guys. Pretty freaking intelligent, right? So Wendy's senseless murder kind of just went, you know, people were like, yeah, that's that's weird, like.
00:07:16
Speaker
I just got into her house, killed her, left. OK, so now the cops are just chasing their tails. Like what? Yeah. Why? Like what? You need some information. Right. Right. November 24th comes around same year, which was not too far before Wendy or after Wendy.
00:07:37
Speaker
It was like what they would call for serial killers, like, you know, a cooling down period. Yeah, right. Which is like, yeah. So during this whole thing that I had researched, this is kind of like the play on, if that makes any sense. So November 24th, 20 year old Caroline Pierce, manager at an American restaurant, spent the day with her friends, returned home late that night. She took a taxi back to the house, but she wouldn't be seen again for almost a month.
00:08:07
Speaker
Oh, so this is a new person, new person, Caroline Pierce. OK, sorry, I thought we were still in the original person and I was like, I thought her boyfriend dropped her off. Well, no, no, no. Like I said, like that happened to her. Cops were investigating that a month later. No, no, no. It was from June back to November. OK, so we got a little bit. So, yeah, we've jumped forward. And the way that it was described, it was almost like this piecing together that the cops were trying to figure out after Caroline had been murdered. Gotcha. OK.
00:08:36
Speaker
So Caroline was murdered. They didn't find her for almost a month till her naked body was found in a ditch, like miles from her house. She was also beaten, strangled, sexually assaulted, and also left DNA with her as well.
00:08:54
Speaker
Which again, not helpful at this current moment in time. No, because it's the eighties. Yeah. So not really a whole lot to go on. Correct. I know you're sitting here thinking to yourself, this is Lisa, this is stupid. No, like you're like, you're giving me people and you're not giving me anything. You're not. All I'm thinking is I'm freezing to death. Actually, I'm so cold. Um, do you want to like it? Yes.
00:09:20
Speaker
OK. All right. So homeboy. Faith is warm now. I got her a blanket. So everybody knows. So we're good. We had to pause there. Take a brief moment in time. After the autopsy, it showed that he also left DNA in Carolina as well. Both autopsy showed that both victims were sexually assaulted after they were dead. So.
00:09:44
Speaker
Why? Why? I mean, so here's the question. Were they sexually assaulted before as well or just afterwards? It seems like from what I gathered, it was it was postmortem. I think I'd rather that if you're going to. I mean, yeah, it's going to go that way. It's going to go down before or after. Like with blunt force trauma and then choke to death. If I'm going to die, I would rather you assault me afterwards. Tell me quickly.
00:10:10
Speaker
Yeah, it just makes you more of a weirdo. You want someone to assault you before if you know you're going to look like it's already gone. Yeah, if you know, whatever either way. Well, yeah, I'd rather not be awake for that. Absolutely 100 percent. So both these murders occurred a few months apart. Yeah, pretty quick in 1987. Mm hmm. And as time went by, the case got cold. Yeah.
00:10:35
Speaker
And it got colder and colder for decades. Oh, nothing happened. And he didn't like he was just done. I just I don't know how to explain this.
00:10:47
Speaker
At the end of of this podcast, we're going to have a conversation. I'm not going to spill the beans on anything. OK. All right. So for all purposes, we're assuming he's done for years. Yeah, he's done.
David Fuller Identified
00:11:00
Speaker
He had he hadn't committed any new murders that they knew of. There was no new evidence. No, there was nothing. It just went cold. OK. OK. Until 2019, 32 years later. I was going to say, is that even the same person? It just wait.
00:11:17
Speaker
They catch a break in DNA testing. Oh, OK. There you have it. Right. Because I mean, all these cases lie cold. We had DNA before 2019. It's actually really funny because before we were doing this, like I've literally switched podcasts about seven times now. I was actually going to do an entire case based only because like our last couple of cases have been so devastating to my soul. Yeah.
00:11:41
Speaker
that I wanted to do something like almost positive until I ran across this. And then I was like, I screwed. I'll put it in the archives for later. Right. But just about how many people like just this year, how many cold cases were sold? I think it was like 41 or something like that. Yeah. Yep. That was I was going to go that route. But then I was just like, I can't. And a lot because a lot of people donated their are like submitted their DNA for familial matches.
00:12:08
Speaker
Yeah. Well, it's not even just that. But it also it doesn't just help catch murders. It helps solve Jane Doe. Yeah. Our John Doe. Absolutely. It is. But it's not even just people that submit theirs to, you know, whatever. They can actually take the how do you say it without me sounding stupid. It's familiar. Not no. Familial. Yeah. Familial DNA. Yeah. And they get it from like, you know,
00:12:34
Speaker
Heritage dot com or what's that one? Oh, yeah. Ancestry ancestry dot com. So any who, that's my story because you interrupt. So they have a breakthrough. They they end up getting like an entire DNA profile of this guy. OK. OK. After running him through the system like their system, criminal database. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing. What? Nothing comes up.
00:13:01
Speaker
They're drawing a blank again and they're like, OK, so apparently he's either that good, like never got caught or in jail. I don't know. I don't know. Do they do DNA when you get arrested? Who knows? So I would think they threw the. Familial DNA. I did it that time. They got a list of over a thousand names that shared DNA with this unsub, if you will.
00:13:30
Speaker
Over a thousand. Over a thousand. But that's I mean, like when you're saying like familial DNA, like you could be talking about like a percentage of a percentage. Right. That matches. And so it's literally just going to click anybody who shares just like a tiny smidgen of a portion of of DNA. OK. OK. So the police run the DNA.
00:13:56
Speaker
They ended up 20 other police stations volunteered to start searching through all of these names. Yeah. OK. And one person wound up having very similar DNA. OK. OK. But it wasn't actually the person that had the similar DNA that they were after.
00:14:18
Speaker
because they knew. OK, it's a match. I'm trying to stay with you here. OK, go. You're losing me. So they've got over a thousand possible familial matches. They split it up between 20. No, no, no. So they had all these names. Right. All these familial DNA samples. 20 police stations volunteered their time. That's what I said. Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They split it up between 20. Yep. They volunteered.
00:14:48
Speaker
And one of them, they started sifting through this list of people and one of them got a match, but it wasn't who they were looking for. Correct. They found a very similar DNA profile. OK, so similar. Most are family members. Correct. Son, brother, father in a nutshell. OK. Yeah, I'm with you again. All right. So they found this similar DNA profile.
00:15:15
Speaker
So I'm so sorry. Hold on. I lost my train of thought because you started asking questions. All right. So with this unsub, they knew it wasn't this actual guy. They actually found his brother because, again, like you said, the familial DNA wasn't 100 percent. Yeah. And you just said could have been a brother, could have been a son. Yeah, it's a close relation. So they end up finding this guy named David Fuller and ring a bell.
00:15:42
Speaker
No. Really? Yeah. Oh, this makes it so much better for me. Oh, yeah. I have so many names in my head between work and podcasts and everything else. So Dave Fuller was a father of three, 65 years old, trained as an electrician and maintenance man while working in the Navy shipyard. OK. He was basically like spit shine clean all through his adult life.
00:16:09
Speaker
And so like the cops were just sitting here after they, you know, started digging into this kid guy, man, old guy person. Yeah.
00:16:19
Speaker
And they were like, OK, this brother is almost 100 percent match. So this is like their option. No. OK. So they start digging back further into his life. So David Fuller, the person they think did it or the brother? Oh, there we go. The brother's name was not mentioned. Couldn't find it. OK. OK. Didn't spend enough time on it. There we go. All right. Irrelevant. So they found David Fuller, father three, 110 years old.
00:16:51
Speaker
Like I said, he was pretty much clean in his adult life. But as they went back in time, obviously, it turns out that in his childhood, he would steal bikes, damage property, even set fires. OK. All right. So I know we don't like to talk about the triad, but that's all part of the triad.
00:17:11
Speaker
part of try and he was convicted of creeper crimes. Now, OK, I'll stop right there because creeper crimes. This was a a lot of the podcasts and other stuff that I was listening to were very English. Yeah. So creeper like a peeping Tom. That's pretty much what I would consider it as. He was a peeping Tom. Yeah. So breaking and entering, not abnormal. Yeah. Kid.
00:17:41
Speaker
He did get caught, pled guilty in the 70s to those crimes, but never spent a day in jail. Why? Who knows, Faith? Because probably the UK's justice system is just as ridiculous and retarded as ours. They're very much so about rehabilitation, though. Yeah. Well, I know. I know for a fact death penalty is not legal. No, because they're about rehabilitation. I'm sure you can rehabilitate crazy people. But hey, who am I? So on December 3rd,
00:18:11
Speaker
2020. Mm hmm. This is a long time. Yeah, we've jumped quite some years. Yeah, we started in 87. 87. Yeah. And we're in 2020. We're like almost a current time. We are almost a current time. It's like my whole life. All right. So December 3rd, 2020, they went to Fuller's home where he lived with his wife and his teenage son.
Fuller's Heinous Crimes Uncovered
00:18:35
Speaker
Sorry, guys. And they arrested him. Read him his rights. Took DNA.
00:18:41
Speaker
After 32 years, they caught a cold blooded. So the police search some. Mm hmm. They find what I'll call a diary. OK. Which tied the noose that much tighter round dude's neck because not not only do we have a DNA sample, right? We got his handwriting like word for word verbatim. The people he saw. Yeah. And the crap that he did. Right. He's peeping Tom's a stalker fits right into that.
00:19:11
Speaker
I still can't for the life of me understand how these people can be so brilliant and so dumb at the same time. Yeah, because it's they're never going to get caught. They're smarter than everybody. And they want trophies. They do. They do. They want to relive it. I know what everybody's thinking right now. Lisa, why is this even like a relevant case? Like this guy has killed two people arrested 30 years later. You're probably thinking that like I'm a weirdo. Yeah.
00:19:41
Speaker
Now, it's an old case after an old. You have. But you go really in debt. I couldn't go super far in debt with the the cases of the the two women because there was so much after that. Anyway, all these crazy people just writing down all the dumb things that they did. So DNA match basically verbatim word for word of his crimes in his diary. And still he denied, denied, denied. I mean, that point
00:20:11
Speaker
Why? Yeah, I got you. He's arrested. He's done. You're done, bro. Yeah. Do not pass go. Do not collect two hundred dollars. You're done. So just like an infomercial faith.
00:20:22
Speaker
But wait, there's more. There's more. Man, I was listening to a podcast the other day and they were bashing. Oh, what's his name? I just lost it, Billy. Billy something. Yeah, Billy something. And I was like, he was the best infomercial. He was the infomercial king. Yeah. Billy Mays here. Billy Mays. Yes. Do you ever hear the horrible joke? I don't think so. I'm not going to say it. Nope. Nope. Not going to tell the joke. Not going to tell the joke. Continue. Sorry. Distraction.
00:20:49
Speaker
trip back into the case. All right. So I told you previously, right, that this guy was an electrician maintenance worker. Squeaky clean. Squeaky clean. Navy substance. I don't think he was Navy. I think he just worked for the shipyard. But still, you got to have clearance to work for. Correct. Right. Yeah. You're trustworthy. Yeah. They've done a background check.
00:21:09
Speaker
Which means nothing if you've never been caught. Right. Well, he had. But that's what I just was thinking. He was caught unless it was all he was a juvenile. Right. But he wasn't in the Navy. He just OK. Anyway, I mean, for the most part. You can choose whether or not on like, OK, from what I had seen on one podcast in particular, it is up to your discretion. You as the person. OK.
00:21:36
Speaker
to disclose any prior. Yeah, you can disclose. No, you don't have to is what I'm saying. Yeah, but they're going to do a background check and find out about it anyway. Well, from what I read, as long as you don't disclose the information, they're not going to hold it against you. Gotcha. OK, that's irrelevant. A lot of people still are like second chances dude was like, yeah, right. You know what I mean? Like everybody does dumb crap when they're. He never went to jail. So that's correct. That's what it is. So right. So.
00:22:05
Speaker
During the time that he was in his free will, he was working as an estate supervisor at Penberry Hospital. Now, man, is this like a dental hospital? What kind of hospital are we talking? You just listen. Just listen. I can't ruin this. He had access to absolutely everything. Mm hmm. Everywhere, everything.
00:22:34
Speaker
He had a key card to access it because he was maintenance. Electrician knows how to cut off the security everywhere. Yeah, to get what he need to get, do what he needs to do and what he wanted to do. Correct. Including the morgue. Oh, no, I forgot about that. And after watching one hundred and fifty thousand hours. Nope.
00:22:58
Speaker
of CC TV videos, I hope they got hazard pay. They found that Fuller had entered into the morgue thousands of times. But I know what he was doing in there. He was always carrying his equipment, so nothing ever looked odd to anybody like from like an outsider perspective, like he's just doing his job, right? He always has his tools, his key cards, got whatever he needs. I didn't notice him zipping up his pants on the way out. Probably not. No, not right. So.
00:23:29
Speaker
I would say fair to say that nobody on the outside looking in thought anything like we were because who would you know what I mean? Here's I would. There's no reason. Well, OK, you and I are totally different ballgame faith.
Hospital Morgues and Access
00:23:43
Speaker
You're like when go into the morgue once without somebody that I know that's in there, but let alone like a thousand. OK, I know either way.
00:23:52
Speaker
Give me some maintenance logs that backs up why you're there that much. Yeah. So, OK. So there are. All right. So here's the deal. Like picture hospital, right? You've got the video cameras everywhere. Everywhere. Well.
00:24:09
Speaker
You can't have CCTV much longer than we have. Oh, yeah. Well, in the actual morgue itself, they don't put video cameras in. Well, because there's no reason to at that point. Exactly. Well, not even just that. It's like respecting the privacy of the debt. Yeah. Like autopsies go on in there. Right. So there was no like concrete evidence. Yeah. It was just this guy visited the morgue probably more often than he should.
00:24:38
Speaker
What did his diary have to say about that? I'm sorry, guys. Let me just. That was not a laugh because I thought it was funny. I laughed because it was uncomfortable and my wired brain is different than most people's voice. What? Nothing said continue. They didn't. So after a search of Fuller's home. Yeah.
00:25:05
Speaker
police found eight hundred and eight no no no i'm sorry eight hundred thousand eighteen hundred and forty one no fifty one photos and five hundred and four explicit videos
00:25:24
Speaker
and images of disgusting material of abuse, including his own rape of the deceased individuals. Yeah, come on, talk to me bad. So he he raped over 500 corpses. Images. They found images. OK, we are.
00:25:45
Speaker
We are now in a generation of online. OK, so OK, OK. Yeah, so he's watching people. Not it's not just what he has, like videos, printed photos of like scrapbooks of people abusing dead bodies. But wait, there's more. Yeah, not funny.
00:26:07
Speaker
I told you I wanted to pull a trash can over to you earlier because I felt like maybe like my my plan was to just hand you a paper bag and be like, this is your vomit bag. Mm hmm. Yeah. Because the more research I did into this and the more I listened to read. Why are there that many people that are doing this with dead bodies for him to have this much material? Dark web. And say, man, like, why would you want to?
00:26:34
Speaker
Faith, if you could get that deep into depravity, I don't think we'd be friends anymore. I just don't understand. Nobody understands. Faith, nobody. Nobody understands. Do you want to keep going? Yes. Do you want to keep going? Yes. All right. As it turns out, he himself violated 101 deceased bodies.
00:27:04
Speaker
That's that's that's a hundred and one too many. Does that include the two women from the beginning of the story? I don't know. So one hundred and three. That's one hundred and three too many. The youngest of his victims was nine. The oldest cared to venture a guess. Ninety eight. Higher. One hundred and five. One hundred years.
00:27:27
Speaker
You know, you're so you have no your only prereq here is that they not have a poll. OK, here's the thing. I can't even like if you have eight hundred thousand eighteen hundred and fifty one photo and five hundred and four videos. That's too many. There is.
00:27:51
Speaker
Nothing that you won't accomplish honest to God like how do you eat like okay? It's sick like it's Beyonce I haven't really have no words like I I'm yeah hundred years old yeah, and not so The cops found thousands of images of child sex abuse They said it was literally hands down worse. They've ever seen in their life like we're talking violence
Fuller's Collection and Activities
00:28:19
Speaker
Mm hmm. You ready for this? Nope, I don't think so, but he had millions of hours, millions of hours downloaded on hard drives. Horrible, horrible. He literally had the biggest collection of child porn the police had ever seen. Mm hmm. OK, I'm going to give you some numbers. I don't want any. You don't want them. No, you don't. He had four million images, one million videos. He had a pen cam.
00:28:48
Speaker
Look at your seatbelt, please. Yeah, put your seatbelt on, Faith, because it's not going to get any cuter than this. Is your seatbelt on? I didn't hear a click. That's because I'm hoping to get in a head-on collision and pass away before the rest of this episode. You had a pen cam? A little spy cam. Yeah. Oh, yeah. With video of his wife's family that would come visit them. Uh-huh.
00:29:13
Speaker
He would take videos of them going to the bathroom, changing, showering, doing whatever. His poor family to be known to be associated with him. I like I don't know how any of them do any of them. Anybody like you have to feel like you are the dumbest person on the plane to be like married or associated with somebody like that. But like you're not you're not dumb. And these people are just there.
00:29:41
Speaker
There aren't words. No, they are so manipulative and so cunning. They are like hands, hands down the worst predators, not lions, tigers. No, people are the worst. It's insane, dude. All right. So anyway, he would take all these images of his wife's family and apparently he photo shopped them.
00:30:09
Speaker
Onto corpses that he had violated here's the deal we can either keep going or You can opt out That's like the choice that you have right now, huh? So you tell me what you want to do
00:30:31
Speaker
We got to keep going. All right. So, photoshopping corpses. But he violated. It took nine cops.
00:30:43
Speaker
to go through, I'm sorry, took nine cops five months. What did they get for doing that? But they did. They should have had like accommodations beyond. Yeah, they had a goal goal. I mean, some kind of medication to get through it a lot. Yeah. Five months. It took these cops. Nope. To go through all of this evidence.
00:31:10
Speaker
Mm hmm. To watch some sicko have sex with dead people. I told you already about the like the physical stuff. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Just some printed photos. Yeah. His scrapbook of horror. Scrapbook horror. I'll take it. I'll take it. Yes. And then the video. I hate people.
00:31:34
Speaker
No, it got so much worse than that. Good. 100 hard drives of just 30. Oh, I'm not done. No, no, babe. No, not just that. OK. We were already talking about the child child pornography. Yes. You know, it's hilarious. You'll say it. I can't. I don't friggin hate.
00:31:56
Speaker
I don't like it, but I'm not going to keep it in the dark. One hundred CDs. And just to make sure that we're dating back to where it all started. Floppy disk, semi floppy disk. We have hundred floppies. Why would you keep that?
00:32:12
Speaker
30 self. It's not like you can sit there and look through it. You're acquiring new material all the time. So if you're going to be that sick, at least be smart enough to watch it and not record it. Why do you need a scrapbook, pedophilia and having sex with dead people? Faith, I'm going to go with they're not normal. I don't know what normal is. That ain't it. 30 cell phones and 3400 photos.
00:32:38
Speaker
found on his hard drives, all of a shit. From that, they were able to identify- That's like a full-time job. Dude, that's what I'm saying, like the math doesn't math.
00:32:50
Speaker
You, how? How? For 30 years, that's all you did. Did he, he couldn't slap. Plus he had his weird scrapbook collection of putting his wife's family's face over top of the dead people he was having sex with. That's what I'm saying. Like, how do you even have enough time to go through and he didn't, it was compulsive. Well there's a will, there's a way, I don't know. That's the only time, I guess. I guess. Or, he was so compulsive that it didn't matter if he looked at it or not, he was just gonna take him, take him all.
00:33:20
Speaker
I don't know, dude. I don't know. Get us Brian. He's back. I wanted to vomit a couple of times. He doesn't want to be involved in this. Doing this podcast. So unfortunately, well, fortunately, but yeah, it's fucking nasty. I you probably have to add that.
Identifying Fuller's Victims
00:33:41
Speaker
I tried to stop from saying it, but sometimes just the word makes it feel better, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. Because I'm without words. OK. Watched me have to shake it off when we pause the last time before I could continue. It's like I had to shake off like all a bad karma. Nasty, nasty. No. It's messed up. You stop talking.
00:34:10
Speaker
All right. So from the evidence that they acquired.
00:34:14
Speaker
Mm-hmm. They were able to identify 80 of the corpses that he had violated. Oh, because that's a call of grieving family wants to hear. You know what? Hey, not only is your. Yeah. Just keep it to yourself. You know what, though? Like, I feel like they can't not tell them. But why? They're already dead. Why add insult to injury? Say, oh, by the way, while you're waiting to bury your, you know, your mom who passed away,
00:34:42
Speaker
this guy had his way with her and has a scrapbook of it i don't want to know yeah i don't need to know i mean like i'm grieving her death i don't need to hear about what happened to her in the intro you know what i think i hundred percent agree but i can also say that this was like national news do you think so i i also feel like i wouldn't want to be the person sitting there thinking like was
00:35:08
Speaker
was my loved one. Well, you know what? Set up a tip line. If you're interested, if your deceased loved one was assaulted, call this number and we'll confirm her. I don't think I'd ever want to know. Personally, I don't want to know. So I'm not calling that number and I don't want you knocking on my door, ripping open a wound. I've probably tried to heal as best as I could. I hate people. So just to like stop and just take a second. Mm hmm. Just jump back to the very, very beginning. OK.
00:35:38
Speaker
He killed two women. Mm hmm. And we know. Yeah, again, that we know, because here's the point. Jump to a different point real fast. You cannot tell me that a man.
00:35:50
Speaker
who has that many images of child porn. Didn't act on that shit. Don't even tell me he didn't. Here's the deal. When he stalked and killed those two women, it was in the late 80s. Before the internet, before he had access to his preferred method of assault victims, because he didn't rape them or assault them while they were alive, he killed them and then did it with their dead bodies.
00:36:17
Speaker
Then nothing for 30 years because he had free access to all the dead bodies he wanted or needed internet came around He could true beat off in the dark to the disgusting or and the more except for you're looking at a very very long time frame of Silent that stuff didn't really start hitting the fan till the late 90s. Yeah, but he had the morgue he visited and
00:36:42
Speaker
That's true. Do you have the dates of when he when he got hired? I would be interested to know when he got hired at the hospital and had access to bodies because that would answer your question. If he had access to the dead bodies and he could molest them as much as he wanted to, he doesn't have to go kill his own bodies. That's an excessive risk he doesn't need. That's true. Because he doesn't care about who it is. But how how freedom of access do you have to children? There's not that many of them that hit them more. But there are there were back in the day.
00:37:11
Speaker
Not as many. And he doesn't care if his main focus isn't children. It's dead. His victims range from nine years old to 100. Well, he wasn't based on age, based on the positions that he would put them in. This is not a conversation I wanted to get into. Right. He would pose them certain ways. Yeah. Yeah, I would die to blame him. And it became very cruel. Yeah. The things that he was doing. The child porn he was watching.
00:37:41
Speaker
Was of the same but that's what according to the woman that I had listened to the most It was considered a gray a grade a which was the most offensive form of pedophilia yeah, but I don't know if it was just the I think I like I said, I'd be interested to know the date of when he got access to the morgue and
00:38:04
Speaker
I'll look back into it and I would also be interested to know if you could correlate the date of when he got a younger body at the morgue to when he started the pedophilia online because I think his name. This is all speculation. Obviously I think his main interest was the dead bodies. I think I think the necrophilia was the biggest part for him.
00:38:24
Speaker
Now, well, when a younger body got in there and he defiled that body, maybe it opened up a whole new wing of depravity for him. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I would just be interested to know the date of when each thing started and stopped type of deal. So almost like he started down the dark hole and then couldn't stop. Like.
00:38:49
Speaker
Yeah, like he started on the morgue situation and then he found a child in the morgue and then something about that set him off more. Right. So then he's, you know, then and plus, I mean, quite frankly, I want to say logically, how many how many films are you going to find of people having sex with dead bodies? Child pornography, unfortunately, has to be you find ten to one.
00:39:19
Speaker
There's much, child pornography is much more prolific. It's not pornography, it's child rape. It's videotaped. So after he found the young body at the morgue, maybe he couldn't find enough people that are in an necrophilia because it's not as big of a kink.
00:39:33
Speaker
If you will, as as child sexual abuses, child sexual abuse is one of the biggest. Oh, it's like the top. So that's what I'm saying. So he couldn't find enough snuff films and or the necrophilia. So that's the next best thing in his mind is. So did he start watching that and then find a young child in the morgue or vice versa? I don't think that at all. I think 100 percent he was a sexual deviant.
00:40:03
Speaker
And obviously no matter what I'm saying is it didn't matter if they were alive or dead. Yeah. Dead may have triggered him. Right. Yeah. But he didn't know living people that we failed. Correct. So living wasn't his now. Listen to me. Thank you. I love you. And I know you're saying facts, but I'm telling you, everybody has a line in the sand that they won't draw. OK. So this guy.
00:40:33
Speaker
has freedom access to mortuary. Yeah. Willing to. Yeah. Sexually assault. Yeah. Yeah. 100 year old dead woman. Mm hmm. OK. Mm hmm. Still took it upon himself to violate a nine year old. Yeah.
00:40:53
Speaker
OK, at this point, it's not about the dead body. He doesn't. But you don't know if there was anybody else available in the morgue that day. But it's a morgue. It's at a hospital. I worked at one. They don't. They're not overflowing. A hospital morgue is a whole. Yeah, but they also do. It's not an in and out deal. It is. You're out of there within 24 hours because they don't do the same person multiple times, but they don't do the autopsies at the hospital. That is that an actual morgue. Unless it's a teaching hospital like UT.
00:41:22
Speaker
It's a teaching hospital. They'll hold the bodies longer. But that's still like three days tops. Like they don't. But we don't know any of that. I do. I worked at one. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about in his mind. We don't know any of that. Gotcha. We don't know how many people were sitting.
00:41:36
Speaker
But I say odds are less either way. I feel like you're defending a def like defiling, nasty, not defending weird. I'm saying I'm telling you, I think anybody that's willing to download that kind of crap. No deserves to have a board in his head.
00:41:53
Speaker
No, that's too quick. That's too quick. I'm saying, I think like if you look at it logically, there weren't he defiled whatever bodies he could get ahold of it the more. And for him, he didn't know what age would come next, what gender would come next. And I think that that's well, from what I gathered, because if he was it was never not a female. OK. So, but now again,
00:42:20
Speaker
I don't know of the 80 that were identified. I don't know if they're all with. I just don't feel like if he was if he was truly like, you know, to label, quote unquote, if he was truly a pedophile, how he would not be able to act on that in real life. That's what I'm telling you. If you are looking at those images. Yeah.
00:42:40
Speaker
This MFR had hours and hours, online videos, photos, fucking floppy disks. Yeah. OK. It says years of his life. Yeah. You don't. You can't. Like, I'm sorry. You can't. Like, how many normal guys will like watch a porn and think, oh,
00:43:00
Speaker
I'm gonna try that with my girlfriend, right? Like, yeah. Come on, dude. You can't watch stuff like that over and over and over again and not act on it. Especially when you especially when you know, you know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, it's wrong. Yeah, yeah. Hmm. I told you it was sick, but I am going to digress a little bit after that very long.
00:43:28
Speaker
Not really argument. It's like you went around the block to get next door and I was already there. I don't really know what just happened. I just interested to see what horrible, disgusting fact, you know, suck part of it is disgusting factor when I fell into this rabbit hole.
Impact on Families and Public Reaction
00:43:45
Speaker
There's actually a special on this guy in the UK, and I've been trying to find it like anywhere to watch it. It's a mini series that explains like the entire. I would really like to watch that. Can't find it anywhere. I even tried Amazon. I was going to pay for it. You try YouTube.
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yep. Nothing. Hopefully I have any UK listeners. You know where she can watch it. Do me a favor and forward it to me. Cause I, if anything that I just said is not quite on par, really like to know that is do was great. Nope. I want you to get to my mind as soon as we're done here and never think about him. Oh, Oh yeah.
00:44:24
Speaker
Yeah, trust me, after this podcast is over, I'm going to go like wash my face, just be down with it in my eye. No, I'm kidding. So some of the victim's families of what he did for the deceased bodies spoke out when they found out what happened with the news of their loved ones. I'm not going to I'm not going to name names. No, this is the one time we're not giving victims.
00:44:50
Speaker
I just don't think they have been humiliated. Like, I'm sorry, but like, what else do you have to say when you do that to a person like two episodes to name all the names? Well, yeah, but no, this was just a couple of the victims families that had spoken out. I'm focusing solely on the one. But again, I just want to say it's humiliating.
00:45:13
Speaker
It's not fair. It's adding insult to injury. You've already lost your loved one. Yeah. And you have to deal with that trauma. Then you find this out. Like they've already died because of some horrible illness or accident or just old age. Like they've already passed. And you're suffering from losing somebody that you loved.
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, and then find out that somebody violated them. I kill them with my bare hands. So one mother, the parents of the children, one mother stricken so fiercely with grief over the loss of her 24 year old daughter that she had lost in a freak accident. Mm hmm. Went to the station where he was being held with a knife, had every intention
00:45:59
Speaker
of shoving the knife through his heart. Yeah. She was caught and arrested. Temporary insanity. They actually held her for a couple of days. Mm hmm. But literally they said it was just to calm her down. Yeah. They didn't want her to do anything stupid. They when they had to finger because they have to go through their process. Mm hmm. And they had to fingerprint it. Yeah. They had like eight cops.
00:46:24
Speaker
that went out there to stop this. The woman said beyond the shadow of a doubt. She said, I'm ninety nine point nine percent positive. Had I found him and shove the knife into his heart? Yeah. Yeah. And just 20 years old. Turns out that particular young lady hadn't been dead for more than like two or three hours. I don't want I don't need to know that. Yeah, I know. It's not. I don't know. It's not OK.
00:46:53
Speaker
The woman that took her fingerprints, the mom, was crying her eyes out when she took the fingerprints because she knew she probably would have done the same thing. All of them would. That's why all the cops went to stop her. They didn't want her life to be over for something they 100% understood. Everything I watched, everything I read, everything I saw about this guy was infuriating. It's not just infuriating. It's like disgusting.
00:47:19
Speaker
Like I don't get it. Yeah. Like there's my brain can't comprehend. Not even close at all. Like I don't understand how anybody could get this was a married man.
00:47:35
Speaker
Married man. And he was he had three kids. He was obsessed with this information, obviously with that much that he saved. You're telling me that I need to go and like look up some of the scrap. I know interviews are online. And he won't even like he won't even describe his crimes when he confessed to doing what he did. He literally was like,
00:48:03
Speaker
I'm guilty of everything you just said. He wouldn't even talk about it. It's like he knew he was just like the utmost scum. His poor wife, like on the one hand, I think his poor wife on the other hand, I'm like, how that much time and money spent on that? Did how?
00:48:27
Speaker
I mean, you think about the life of an abused woman who just sticks around, even though she's beaten. Yeah. He probably turned into like a hermit, went into his own dark place. Yeah. She left it alone because he was leaving her alone. Exactly. Well, yeah, sick, sick, sick, sick. Mm hmm. So glad we had this talk. Yeah, I'm so glad.
00:48:53
Speaker
Seven, seven different topics. And this is the one you landed on. Yeah. OK. I'm sorry. But when I fell into that rabbit hole, I was like, OK, couldn't get worse than that. Oh, oh, couldn't get worse than that. Oh, damn. What he did. Oh, OK. Look, we talk about like the sickest, most twisted human beings in the world.
00:49:22
Speaker
Yeah. OK, people that torture, people that just kill because they want to. But damn, they like it really gets deep with some of the nasty, like the fact that there's just that many souls of my shoes, like souls on my shoes. They're worthless. I don't know. Oh, yeah. I was like, what you're saying doesn't make any
Sentencing and Justice
00:49:46
Speaker
sense. And then they're like, oh, well, I must say they give them 12 years.
00:49:51
Speaker
No, no, 12 years for the videos that he... What about the two murders? And the violations. He got a life sentence, no parole. Okay, thank you. Which I couldn't get mad about because I feel like maybe that judge was... We got these lesser crimes. I'm gonna give him some years for that, but I'm gonna like pin him to the wall with this. Yeah. Personally, I think, should have been hung in the goggles. No, because I think that's too easy for him.
00:50:20
Speaker
Tortured. No, I think he needs to go to prison and let the prisoners deal with him. No, we had this conversation once before in one of our pocket. Take one of the dead bodies, strap it to his back, let him walk around. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm OK with that. I just think a death sentence is too quick for him. And England doesn't have the death sentence, but, you know, yeah. Well, I can honestly say that the longer I do this podcast, the more in favor of the death penalty I become.
00:50:48
Speaker
What about Erudy? There's always a very gray area for me. It is a very gray area. There are some people I feel like should be given to the populace to do what they see fit. Yeah. And like we said at once, this is why the Purge movie is applicable. Yeah. Purge movie, basically every man for himself.
00:51:11
Speaker
Yeah, but these people should be branded on their forehead and be like all put in a central area. But you just said a guy's name. You just said a guy's name and he was innocent. No, the people like this guy, not Eric. OK, like beyond a shadow of doubt, you've got DNA. You've got a thought they had it beyond the shadow of doubt. They didn't care.
00:51:32
Speaker
No, they knew they lied. They knew they lied on arity. They just wanted to faint. I'm saying you have like hardcore DNA, CCTV, handwriting. Like there's no way it's not true. Brand them on their forehead and every city dropped them in a general population and 24 hours of the perch. Those are your victims. Those are the people to get your aggression out and go. I'd rather throw rocks at them.
00:51:59
Speaker
I would rather strap them to the brazen bull. I would rather give them the pair of despair. I just. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to be honest with you. If we were talking about the general population of like 100 years ago, absolutely. Our general pop right now. Mm hmm. Yeah, you got some good old boys in every city. That's true. That's true. Either way. I don't know. Either way. Disgusting.
00:52:29
Speaker
Inhumane words that I don't want to say because they'll have to edit more and get pissed off at me Now you can just take that information run with it. Yeah. No, I know. Yeah, we're back to this. All right. No more emotional
00:52:47
Speaker
Well, it's emotional. I'm not like I'm not even that I'm not even angry. Disgusted. Disgusted. Disgusted. Yeah. And perplexed. And my brain is befuddled. No normal human being faith. No normal human being could ever wrap their head around them. No. Like. That's it. That's all I got. That was a good vomit noise. Thanks for that.
00:53:18
Speaker
That's gonna stay with me for a while. Whatever used to make the same noise. I was just talking about the whole story, dude. Yeah. I'm sorry. But hey, here's to a new year. Mm hmm. More to come with Twisted Tales. Mm hmm. In the sycophants. Mm hmm. That we are so lucky to inhabit the same planet with. Yeah. So here's to a new year. Here's to Twisted Tales.
00:53:44
Speaker
You've left me speechless. I can't even. And here's to faith getting any any ounce of sleep. That's what I mean. I will. And if you guys don't mind. Short prayer for me tonight. She may or may not come over this tiny little table. I'm not sure. No, I don't. I don't. Mm hmm. Yep. Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. You guys had to hear that. Sorry. Sorry. I'm not sorry. Tag. Everybody needs to know.
00:54:13
Speaker
I did not. There's some things I don't need to know. This is one of the all you have to do is just just look, just watch people will expose. No, they won't. They won't expose themselves. They're freaks. Hmm. Well, they're out there. We're out there. Carrie, let's all go have a strong drink. I know I will. Last hour and some odd minutes and we'll read. You don't even feel bad. I love it.
00:54:43
Speaker
You all have a great night and your face is perfect. Yeah, I want to take a picture of this so bad. Post it right to our feed. She's going to. All right, guys, time to go face going to vomit. All right, guys, I hate Lisa, too. We'll be back next week. Bye.