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Current Events - Assault On Children In Plain Sight
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This episode will be different from our usual story format – as we are discussing current events. Looking at the new documentary 'Quiet on Set' which talks about the abuse of child actors, leading into more recent events in the news.
TRIGGER WARNING – Sexual Assault on minors are discussed during this episode, if this is sensitive for you – please listen with care.
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Transcript
Technical Glitches and Mishaps
00:00:00
Speaker
Well, hello and welcome to another episode of Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa. And I have a sense of deja vu. OK, well, when we started a minute ago, the mic was on the other side, so I got my head looking away from you. And with the nature of tonight's episode, I was like, oh, I should look at her. And then I ripped the cord out of the laptop and I didn't know when it stopped recording and I just thought it'd be easier to start over.
00:00:27
Speaker
Sorry about all the rustling you just heard. I had to pull my pants up. She's not wearing elastic, stretchy pants tonight. So she's uncomfortable. Not that you needed to know any of the aforementioned 40 seconds. I'm wearing real people clothes, what I call them. Nope. I don't like them very much. Nope. I've got time to change yet.
Humorous Stories and Family Reactions
00:00:46
Speaker
So anything new with you, Lisa? Uh, you know, got all asleep.
00:00:50
Speaker
Like a lot of sleep. I accidentally got sick, you know, cause that always accidentally. Yeah. I realized like when I said that, that was really dumb, but that's fine. When were you sick? Okay. So Kay got sick Sunday by Monday. He was kind of wrapping up on the illness. We took him to the doctor, but you were working at home. I was working at home.
00:01:09
Speaker
And you got sick? Monday, Monday. You didn't warn me. I'm in contamination zone. You're not contamination zone. You don't know that. It lasted like not even 24 hours. I don't have 24 hours to spare. I had a low fever. Me and Caleb went upstairs to watch a movie. I put that in quotes because we both passed out and didn't wake up until the following morning. You are an inconsiderate boob. I am sitting right here. You think to warn me? I'm not sick. We've talked every morning on the phone. Does this face look sick to you? Don't answer.
00:01:38
Speaker
Looks wrong. I'll say that much feeling this conversation might be a little redundant. Well, unpluggery. Well, tonight you are either in for a special treat or a complete disaster. We don't know how it's going to go because we're going to shake it up a little. We are going to shake it up a little. We are going to stay in our normal genre of true crime, rape, murder, mayhem.
00:02:05
Speaker
but we are going to talk about current events. Yeah, because some things have happened now. Like I'm even just, I'll just put it out for the full month of, of March. Yeah. It's been weird. So it started because I had said something like last week about that hasn't hit yet, but yeah. Yeah. Cause I'm jumping. We're jumping. I'm not jumping anywhere. That's you. We're cutting in because I call Lisa what yesterday morning I called you. I called Lisa yesterday morning cause I got up early,
00:02:35
Speaker
I'm waking up and I'm doing my normal TikTok scroll. Cause that's how I get my brain to function. And I hit on all the, um, petity news. Yeah. Well, you know, cause I sent you a message that like it's the first time I saw it. Yeah. I sent it to you and I didn't know cause I said that I had to send it through my tablet. Cause I was like, literally send it on TikTok. I only get it if you text me, but there's all that. So I called Lisa and I was like, Hey, why don't? Cause it was her turn to tell the story and let's just be honest.
00:03:05
Speaker
She don't got nothing ready. I know that. You know, I will bet my liver right now. You do not have anything typed up and ready to go. I could use her. You could. So I'm offering it. We both know I'm keeping my liver.
00:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, you are. I bet my liver to my boss all the time too, because he's like eight feet tall and he drinks. And I'm always like, it's a safe bet. I know I'm keeping that liver. So I got Lisa and I was like, with everything going on, I feel like we need to have a chat. Cause we had already talked about the fact we were both going to watch the documentary quiet on set and get to discuss that. So that is what we're doing tonight. Um, we're going to discuss quiet on set.
00:03:46
Speaker
Some other, I'm sure, relative documentaries. And then we are going to kind of just kind of talk about the P Diddy. This is all theorized. Nothing is proven. Right. We don't have any money, so don't sue us, basically. Yeah, I can't give you the change in my pocket.
Introduction to Sensitive Documentary Topics
00:04:03
Speaker
You can't get blood from a rock, my friend. I gave that to my kid. Right. But anyway, so that can't get blood from a rock rock. I thought you said mud. I was like, what does that mean? I guess you could.
00:04:15
Speaker
I just didn't see the relevance. That's fine. It's a saying. You gotta turn around super quick. This happened to me and Brian like a little while ago. So do you see the bush between those two people walking their dogs? Yeah. This lady had to have gotten God faith because she was walking her dog.
00:04:31
Speaker
These people don't want to hear this. No, they need to hear this. Okay. So I don't know what happened. She had to have pooped her pants. Yeah. She ducked into that tree right there. And me and Brian are sitting on the porch watching this woman like try to hold her dog and go to the
00:04:46
Speaker
She went to the bathroom right there. That's in a busy, that's a busy street. It's right by a public pool, people. We were red faced dying. And I have not seen the woman since. Oh, because she's probably hiding in shame. Yeah. Moved. She moved. I'm saying. Oh, I would have died. Hey, listen, that is not a race. You're going to win. You're never going to win. I'm never going to win. All right. Yeah. She would have been dripping down her leg. Okay. Anyways, I'm sorry.
00:05:15
Speaker
I saw the lady walking her dog and I was like, Oh, I never told you about this. You did. So anyway, we are going to talk about that. Just trigger warning. A, if you haven't seen the documentary and you want to not have any spoilers, go ahead and press pause, go watch the documentary and then join us for the conversation. Spoiler alert. Number two, if, um, if, if, sorry, lost my train of thought.
00:05:43
Speaker
Abuse and minors bother you. This is not the episode for you, my friend. Correct. Well, I mean, it bothers me. Don't don't get me wrong. But if you can't, if you're sensitive to it, if you've got a history and it's triggering for you, go ahead and we'll see you next week. We got a great episode, I'm sure. I don't remember which one's on deck, but it's going to be great. It'll be great. So anyway, Lisa. So, OK, here's the thing. I took notes when I watched Quiet On Set. Oh, did you? I did. OK. But here's the thing.
00:06:13
Speaker
I watched them out of order. How'd you do that? Because I watched it on your account. That's why I was skipping so many episodes because I was trying to rewatch and I was like, that's not how I watched this one. So I watched, I guess I picked up where you left off. And so I rewound it to the beginning, but I didn't make sure I was on episode one.
00:06:33
Speaker
So my notes, like I've got notes. There's jumping. But the thing is, is the notes are relevant if you start with episode one. Yeah. Like there are certain things because. All right, we'll kick it off. We're going to kick it off with where I started because I want to bring you through my process here. All right. So I started on episode three.
00:06:54
Speaker
Oh, okay. So you've already. So Drake Bell has already been Drake Bell is starting. He's there. He's talking. So that's my first episode is Drake Bell coming forward in his first ever testimony of what happened to him. Yeah. And so the fact that his dad was so adamant that there was something wrong like moved me.
00:07:16
Speaker
that his dad was so hellbent on trying to protect him. And that that is a period. And the fact that the fact that the predator peck knew and separated like wedged is classic. I mean, it was so much grooming behavior at the beginning. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's not funny. But and I don't ever want to victim shame or shame slash question apparent, right?
00:07:41
Speaker
But what the heck with his mom? OK, for starters, you know how some people really listen to their gut like instinctively? Yeah, I think a lot of people don't. And I think and I think a lot of people are like, well, you're judging or. Yeah, almost like. And again, like it was even mentioned, oh, well, you're just being homophobic. Yes. That was in one of the earlier episodes. I hadn't watched it yet.
00:08:02
Speaker
I don't think it's that. Because you have weird feelings about certain people. And it's happened to me. I begged my brothers one night when I was trying to go home to leave and they didn't want me to, they were like, hey, let David bring you home. And I said, no, I don't want, no. I don't like him, I don't want to be alone with him. And my brothers just, don't worry about it, don't worry about it. We got home that night and he was getting a little,
00:08:32
Speaker
What was, for lack of a better word,
Interview Critique and Emotional Impact
00:08:34
Speaker
aggressive, trying to kiss me. I didn't want it. I told him, I was like, David, back off or I will tell Frankie and Michael. And he's like, oh, come on, you know, whatever, whatever. And just kept on. At this point has me pressed against the door. For whatever reason, my dad was awake and David left very quickly after my dad opened the door and was like, I heard everything. You better run.
00:08:57
Speaker
Yeah. And that was pretty much because I was young at the time. I was maybe 16, 17 at the time. And both my brothers were of age. Yeah. So I just don't understand instinctual things. Some people listen, some people don't. It is. But I don't understand where his mom was. Like the dad warned her and she was just in my A. He never really talks about her. But if you think about it.
00:09:18
Speaker
Like during that whole thing, they were like, oh, they were talking about the divorce was not a pleasant. True, true. So she's probably just sitting there thinking like, whatever, you're just an asshole. Yeah. But I mean, I get that. But the thing that really hit me was after the abuse started, because he talks about how, you know, he spent the night at Peck's house and he woke up to Peck violating him basically. And can I just tell you, like, number one, I think it's I think it's heartbreaking when because he's still a young adult.
00:09:50
Speaker
Yeah, but I mean, not a young adult anymore. Okay. Well, in my mind it is, but he's still like, this is still fresh for him. He's never talked about it. And for that interviewer to say, what did he do to you? And Drake was like, do you want details? And she was like, well, yeah. And he was like, and you could just see how uncomfortable he
Parental Roles and Protection Failures
00:10:12
Speaker
was. And he was like, you know,
00:10:15
Speaker
Here's the thing. Imagine the worst thing sexually you can do to another person. It was that or worse. Like that hurt my stomach. Yeah. Like number one, you put them on the spot like that just for ratings. Yeah. Screw you. Yeah. Number two. Why? Like where's the compassion for? Oh, there wasn't any. I didn't feel like. No.
00:10:34
Speaker
But the thing that, so like I didn't like that, but when he, he's talking about like the abuse that already started, he's being raped for lack of better words. And I'm just going to say this a hundred and 10%. I don't care if your kid is 18. Like honestly, their show business, whatever my kid will never, okay. He's cute as a button. Probably could if he wanted to. Got the personality for it. We know what we know now.
00:10:57
Speaker
Yeah, as old as we are. But I don't understand how that mom was just like, yeah, go spend the night with a 47 year old man that I barely know. But see, that's my thing. Like all that aside, like, okay, maybe I can excuse. Maybe he was normal, all these things. But the fact that the girlfriend's mom picked up on it in five seconds immediately and was like, hey, I need to talk to you in the kitchen. Yeah. What's going on? Yeah. Don't lie to me. This is something's going on. And then she was like, you know what?
00:11:24
Speaker
calls his mom and says, he's going to counseling this week. Like that's my thing is it was obviously very apparent that this kid is in emotional distress.
00:11:36
Speaker
And she lived with a mom. That quickly. A 40 something year old man does not call. My daughter's boyfriend. That many times.
Court Challenges and Industry Support
00:11:47
Speaker
It's creepy. That's like stalker status for anybody. But you're telling me that he lived with his mom and she never noticed any of that. Like even if you want to discredit what the dad said.
00:11:59
Speaker
Like I said, I hate to say it cause it's the mom and I'm sure they are in as much pain as, not as much pain as the victim, but that is a very traumatic thing emotionally for a parent.
00:12:10
Speaker
But how did you not pick up on anything? But how did you not see? Maybe it was just a lack of interest. I don't know. And she wasn't on the show either. Well, I mean, not even just that, like she could probably have been sitting there thinking like, well, I'm having these thoughts, but maybe I don't want to ruin my kid's career because I can how many parents that we watch the interviews with? Yeah. Well, I just didn't want to ruin it.
00:12:38
Speaker
But it's, I mean, I'd have been like you, sir. You know, and it could be like, it could be like the frog in the pot. Like you put a frog in a pot of water and you slowly turn it up and it's boiling. So if she's been, obviously she's been around her son, he lives with her and she's been around Peck this whole time. So if it gradually, like the stalker and the obsession gradually ramped up.
00:13:02
Speaker
then maybe it's like the frog in the pot. You know what I mean? So I can see it that way, but that was, kudos to that girlfriend's mom who was like, you kitchen now. And then when she didn't get the answer, she was like, you know what? You're going to counseling this week, you're seeing my therapist. And then calls the mom.
00:13:22
Speaker
But she tried. She saw something. She said something. She did something. Agreed. 100%. So kudos to whoever that woman is, because that is how an adult should act with a child in danger. But the part that I think ripped my soul out was when Drake calls his dad to say that he was finally arrested. He was arrested and his dad's saying, oh my gosh, I knew it. Thank God you didn't. It wasn't. It wasn't true.
00:13:51
Speaker
And knowing like knowing that it was and Drake saying, I just couldn't tell him. And then seeing that dad break down and cry like because he knew it, he saw it, he tried so like that was that like was a gut punch hard. And then watching his dad break down. Oh, when the dad said I knew it, I knew it would happen. I'm so glad it's not you as a kid, knowing it's you. That is horrible.
00:14:22
Speaker
horrible but the fact that the dad knew what was up and then found out that it was his kid after he tried tried to stop this from happening oh yeah that that that destroyed me that was my first episode that was okay that was my first episode you really got screwed in watching this because there was a lot of buildup to that yeah like a lot
00:14:44
Speaker
Yeah, no, so I didn't see that was all the last that I watched. This was my first step. That was the peck guy. Right. Yeah, peck. OK. I think it's first time Brian Peck. Yeah. I don't know. Peck. Yeah. Pickle boy, whatever. But so that was my first episode. The fact it was it's just such stereotypical.
00:15:05
Speaker
Child predator behavior where he groomed him. Yeah, he separated him from the caring adult I mean just but the oh the dad saying I'm so glad it wasn't you I was honest with you It was the episode before that before I even heard from Drake. Yeah, that's my last episode. I watch. Are you serious? Yep? Mm-hmm when you found out about Brian pecks room. Mm-hmm Not you're not talking about Brian pecks room. Yes, ma'am. Oh In his house, which one?
00:15:31
Speaker
We had it like a set up of Planet of the Apes. No, that's not Brian Peck. That's the other guy. No, it's not. I promise you it is. No, it's not. I don't know. I've got the I've got the things on it where he has a he was a pen pal with freaking Gacy. Yeah. Oh, it could have been back. It was back. Yeah, no, because that's my last episode because he was like I was 14 at the time and I knew like I didn't know everything.
00:15:52
Speaker
But I knew he wasn't a good guy. Yeah He was pulling out letters With a serial child abuser serial child abuser serial child abuser murder murder. Yeah
00:16:09
Speaker
Oh yeah, no, no, I hadn't seen that. I started with the Drake and I was like, Oh, as soon as I saw that Jane, John way, Gacy thing about the picture of the clown that he drew in, I was like, and everybody's just okay with this. Yeah. Right. Very, very Timo that one or Timo and whatever.
00:16:29
Speaker
Yeah. Did not sit well with me. So that was episode one for me. Do you have anything else about that episode? Like that was it was just them like grilling this kid. Well, I mean, I hated a lot of it. The fact that they made him set the guy up like and call him. You know what I mean? That was a lot of bravery on his part. I think it was because because if you hadn't done that, the guy would still be there. Hate that. I guess we're probably.
00:16:54
Speaker
delving, diving into a new episode if I bring that up. So why don't we just keep going with your, your monologue. So my next episode was Drake part two when he talks about the court.
00:17:08
Speaker
And when he said that like the fact that he was like, you know, he brought this guy down. He testifies. He does a sting operation, records the guy, gets him to confess, like brings it all there. And he's like, finally, it's over. Like people are going to, you know, like drop him and he gets to court and it's.
00:17:28
Speaker
him, his mom, and his brother on his side, and all of Hollywood behind the pack was... Seriously? And for this kid, he was like, what, 14 at the time when he went to court?
00:17:42
Speaker
Yeah, 14 or 15, I think. And he's, I typed it out word for word. He said, cause they said like, when it came time, he didn't testify against Peck. He already provided everything, but when it gave time to give a statement, he said, I had nothing to say to him, but I looked at everyone on his side and said,
Industry Failures and Background Checks
00:17:57
Speaker
how dare you, you will forever have the memory. You will forever have the, you will, sorry, you will forever have the memory of having
00:18:06
Speaker
and defending this person and I will forever have the memory of this person you are defending violating me and doing unspeakable acts and crimes. And that is what I'll remember. Yeah. Like harsh basic. They basically just discredited what this kid lived through. Yeah. And he only got 16 months in jail. Yeah. And a slap on her wrist with probation. That's it. Yeah. And went straight to work for frickin Disney. Yeah.
00:18:32
Speaker
As a registered sex offender, can we talk about it? Is there really any hope for anybody at this point? No, it's like the Catholic shuffling around the kid diddly-priest. That's all it is. But all that made me mad. But what made me irate were the letters of support. This guy just said he pled no contest to raping a child.
00:19:02
Speaker
multiple times and number one you write a letter of support and then you say that it was only because of extreme pressure and Temptation he pled freaking guilty. He said I did it. They've got him on recording Sorry, but if you had a gun to my face couldn't do it and you said do this to this kid. I'd be like
00:19:20
Speaker
And you know what? Half of them, I didn't care about, but I was extremely... Oh, and Eric. Whatever his name is. I could not believe they wrote that letter of support. I was furious with it. I love Boy Meets World. Me too.
00:19:37
Speaker
I was proud of Tayda and Corey for not doing it, but I couldn't believe that. And you know what? And you know, they went in to talk about how some of the letter support like were kind of generic. Like he was a great guy. I never saw anything like that's what Eric's was. It was basically, I never saw anything when I worked for him. He always seemed very professional. Yeah. The people that said, what just happened right now to Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kutcher? Yeah. Or whatever the hell her name is.
00:20:03
Speaker
They got screwed. Yeah. Because they probably had no idea at that time what he was even being accused of. They're just doing like a. And that's what one of the people that you have completely ruined your career or not your career, but you're. Yeah. You know. But you know, one of the people that when they found out redacted hers and said, I had no idea what this entailed. Don't agree.
00:20:24
Speaker
So on some of the letters of support, um, you know, I'm not okay with it, but I understand. Like if you didn't know the people that said that, you know, extreme pressure temptation, there's no, there's no temptation or pressure to rape a child. If there is take a gun, put it in your mouth and blow the trigger out. Yeah. Like, and I'm going to have to go back. I know Freddie or not Fred, his name's like Frederick or freddle freddle or something for Dick. I don't know Eric.
00:20:53
Speaker
Brother Eric from his didn't say anything like that. His was basically like, I never saw anything wrong when I worked for me. It was always a great guy to be around that are like, basically, this was my experience with him. And it seemed more like he didn't know what he would do. I mean, yeah, I don't remember what writer Strong says, but I have to go back and look at that letter because I was. I don't know either way. Like when you see two people that you grew up with, like.
00:21:15
Speaker
Iconic like that like I've watched that. Oh, they want you to take the role, right? What I watched girl meets world because of them. Yeah Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's wrong with you? Yeah Of course, Sean would go for the bad guy That's all I thought but like all the only thing I could think of when I saw that was What happened to them? Yeah
00:21:44
Speaker
You
Dan Schneider's Controversial Impact
00:21:45
Speaker
know what I mean? Because it's not like this is a new thing. Yeah, at all. But and then the fact that they let drop it on. OK, so Nickelodeon and Disney, if you're not in the US, I'm sure you've heard of those two, two big, huge, gigantic corporations, right? They are and always have been the main kid programs. Yeah. Now, Disney, in my opinion, used to at least be geared more towards younger children like Disney Junior. Yeah.
00:22:13
Speaker
and Nickelodeon was always geared towards older kids. But those were the things. Are you afraid of the dark? I still remember some of the episodes I watched. We could go back and watch some of them with my son because he's getting at that age now. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. But the fact that these are two TV empires built, education for kids, not education, but entertainment for kids. And the whole premise is they're watching kids their age on TV. That's the premise, right?
00:22:42
Speaker
And they don't do background checks on everyone. They let that slip in that episode. Oh, well, you know, I mean, after every episode, it said Nickelodeon said that we do ABC and data protect everyone. No, it said there they do not run background checks on certain people like. Not the main people, but like the two ninety nine's basically. Yeah.
00:23:02
Speaker
Contract workers, that's what they call them, contract workers. If they come within 10 feet of a kid on those episodes, there should be a background check. A full one. Outside of the US even, like any kind of background check you can run, you run it. You call references. I don't care if you call their elementary freaking teacher and see what kind of personality they had. Oh my gosh. But that shocked, I mean, it didn't shock me, but I was appalled. So here's the deal. Here's where I got bamboozled. Because
00:23:31
Speaker
These are my first two episodes. So I know Peck's a bad guy, right? 100%. So Dan Schneider. I'm not introduced to Dan Schneider yet.
00:23:44
Speaker
Yeah, he's like episode one. Yes. So I haven't seen episode one or two. So the first time I hear Dan Schneider's name brought up is when Drake says that like it hit the noose, like they arrested Peck. And Dan was the only one that called him and was like, was this you? Number one, that tells me Dan knew.
00:24:03
Speaker
was my gut reaction, or at least had a suspicion. And so at first I'm mad. At first I was like, you're just calling to see how much information you get and what damage control you need to do, right? But then Drake goes on to say he has no ill will towards Dan for hiring Peck because Peck didn't have a background. And that Dan was the only one that was there for him. Still employed him, knowing he was a whistleblower. And so then I'm thinking, you know what?
00:24:34
Speaker
Maybe he's not that bad. And so I'm thinking about it. And so these are literally my notes. Just because, remember, I have not watched episode one or two.
00:24:44
Speaker
So my, here it is, and I'm gonna read you verbatim because I like wanted to go erase these. I was so mad. This is really funny. It says, so my initial reaction to him with Dan Schneider, with Drake is because of what I know. Like you know that Dan Schneider was there for Drake. You know that he went. So I originally think he's just trying to suss him out. Like I just said, um,
00:25:08
Speaker
But the fact that he doesn't victim blame him, that he doesn't blackball him, he continues to create a whole new show based off this kid, and he was the only one being there for him, I'm like, alright, he's not that bad.
00:25:20
Speaker
So I said, um, and you know, you see on TikTok and you've seen on TikTok and all social medias, all these videos of Dan putting his camera on people's faces backstage, like his little home movies, right? Yeah. So this is my notes. This is, this is where I really want to kick myself in the ACE, but whatever said all his videos, he's continually recording everything. And I think maybe in my opinion, he may have started that as a way to either a protect himself because of what just happened with Drake and pack or.
00:25:50
Speaker
maybe because he's always videoing like backstage stuff and he's always panning maybe he's trying to see behind the scenes like is there is there something going on that he might catch later type of thing so he doesn't have another peck situation right like doing it to be protective right right because your mind wants to go there
00:26:10
Speaker
And I put, and maybe he was trying to keep an eye on everything to prevent further issues for the children. Like he's trying to protect them. Oh, good faith. That's great notes. Isn't it? Then I go back and I'm like, mother trucker. Yeah. Yeah. No, but I was seriously like, cause it's weird for him to video all these things.
00:26:31
Speaker
Um Yeah, until you realize he's a creeper, right? Yeah Yeah, and I said but you know and and maybe because i'm thinking maybe initially this is why he did start the video Because pecking pecking drake had just happened when the videotaping started Because that's after that is when he started videotaping everything So maybe he was doing it as a way to protect himself Like all this stuff is here But again, the frog and the boiling water are like they even said with the more power he got the more power he wanted
00:27:02
Speaker
And he just maybe got out of control without even realizing at first was literally what I put. And I'm so mad about that because I've seen episode one now. Well, yay. And I haven't put in parentheses, plain devils, advocate, maybe, maybe. But, you know, the the victorious victor number one, I watched every freaking episode of Victoria. I also really like DiCarly. And my child is obsessed with both of them now. Caleb loves Sam and Kat.
00:27:25
Speaker
He thought it was hilarious. And the deal is even watching them when I watch them, you can tell there are certain things that you're like, you know what I mean? Yeah. But seeing it all now, like just watching them talk about it, because then I go to episode once and I'm like, mother, oh, this is.
00:27:44
Speaker
Well, and it wasn't even just like the like sexual harassment that Dan Schneider did. It was the way he treated his female employees. Oh, yeah. That's literally like God awful. Like he just was he was a dick. Mm hmm. 100 percent. And and I'm just going to throw it out there now because I can't believe you didn't do it. He tried to ruin. What's the show now? What's the show now? We loved it. It just left me. I have no idea. Amanda Bynes, Jenny McCarthy. Oh, man.
00:28:15
Speaker
I got what about you? All about you? What about you? I think that's what it is. I've got the name down. So it's what I like about what I like about you. Yeah. He tried to ruin that. I love that show. We watched that show all. We complained so hard when they got rid of that show. I was so in love with Vince. Oh, yes, Vince. I forgot about Vince. I just frickin love demand of mind. He's good looking. But yeah, literally, I could still sit down and watch her movies like she. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Very quotable.
00:28:44
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Hands down, one of my favorite movies. One of the best. Yeah. Yes. But I don't understand. Like, so here's my thing. How many times did they do an investigation on Dan Schneider? It was said at least in every episode about him. Investigation, investigation, investigation, investigation. But the fact that he was told you can't even have contact with the kids anymore. Yeah. But he was allowed to pass them notes.
00:29:08
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Yeah. Really? And, and you know, like, can we just, like, I want to draw back just a little bit because there were a lot of things they were implying on.
00:29:18
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on that, some of it, yeah, it was super disturbing, 100%. Definitely on Call Tour, right? Some stupid guy, I think it is hilarious, right? But there was some of the stuff, I was like, and this is like a pedophile's dream, to watch this TV show. Oh, all the feet stuff, all the squeezing the juice from a... Yeah, like literally a pedophile's dream, 100%. But then they're like, oh, well, she would always hug on him and blah, blah, blah. And I'm sitting here thinking, this is a guy that's in her life,
00:29:46
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constantly. And when you spend nine hours a day with somebody, if not more, you have a bond. And a lot of people do cross that line from time to time where they'll hug. And I'm not saying that it was appropriate in some of the certain whatever, but for her to go up behind it
00:30:08
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hug or something like that it's a kid when my when Bella goes to work with me because she's okay I've worked at the same place her entire life yeah
00:30:18
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Everyone there saw me try to get pregnant, finally get pregnant. They all came to Nick you like everyone that's there has been with her her entire life. So when she comes into the office, she's running up to my boss, climbing all over him, hugging him. He's flipping her. He's hugging her. He's swinging her by her feet. That's not a family member, but she's got, she's known him her entire life. Yeah. And I would think not twice about having him go pick her up or do anything.
00:30:48
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Yeah, I probably still work, but whatever. Well, I know him, but yeah. Plus I know where he lives, so whatever. But you know what I mean? Okay. Literally, all I'm saying is just like, yeah, okay. Well, we can pour out some of this like, yeah, that was super inappropriate. But on the other hand- On the other side of like, oh, Amanda Bynes went behind him and gave him a hug and put her arms around him or whatever. There was a picture of it. I'm sitting here thinking like, okay. Hindsight's always 2020 is my thing, number one. Number two,
00:31:16
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Like the inappropriate content, especially on Nick. Like they talk about it a lot on iCarly and Victorious. Right. Do not at me. This is an opinion. This is all this is. Yep. Here's the thing. That was not geared towards children. That was geared towards teenagers. Both of those shows were. And I think it was high school prompted. Yes. It was high school age. There were some of them that were younger. But it was high school age. And I'm sorry if you disagree with this, but you live under a rock. High school kids are raunchy.
00:31:46
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Yeah, they are. And so like on the one hand, was it appropriate? Absolutely not. And you should have standards. But on the other hand, if you want high school teenagers to watch your show, you can't have them doing the ABCs. Right. You have to be, I mean, let's look at it this way. Back in the day when Will and Grace was on, love that show, love, love, love Jack McFarland and Karen.
00:32:11
Speaker
Hysterical. Yeah, but it was the first TV show on the air I believe if not, it was the first popular one to have homosexuality Yeah, and everyone said if you left it on there and you leave it popular homosexuals are gonna be everywhere on TV and they are but you have to Go to your audience like you have to cater to your audience to get them to watch What is Hallmark Hallmark movies are those geared towards working-class men men?
00:32:34
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No, they're geared toward board housewives that want to watch a romance So if you're trying to get a bunch of teenagers to watch your show, what are you getting? What are you gonna gear the humor and the conversations and the topics about age group what they're doing you're gonna Yeah, so on the one hand wasn't appropriate. No on the other hand Do I understand why they did it? Yeah? Yeah, and also you can't leave that responsibility of to Nickelodeon Yeah, raise your kids as a parent. Mm-hmm
00:33:03
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Because you know what, Bella loves iCarly, has always loved iCarly.
00:33:08
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It is. And you know what? They do a bunch of goofy things that she's liked since she was little. And there was a time where we said, hey, you know what? This show's a little bit too mature for you. You can't watch it. And she threw a fit. I think she was in kindergarten. Wanted to watch iCarly, begged to watch iCarly, but the content was too mature for her. It was all about when it started getting into the relationships and everything, that's only just as too mature for you.
00:33:35
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now she's in second grade she can watch some of the episodes again because unfortunately that's what her kids her age are doing and this is absolutely no justification for any of the things that were going on no because a hundred percent hundred percent there was a lot of that content yeah that was too much for even
00:33:55
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me to look at and say, is this like soft porn? Yeah. I don't feel like iCarly was as bad as Victorious. Victorious, there were a couple times that I was like, ee. And I loved the show. Loved the show. But there, just a couple times, I was like, ee, that. Tuition, saying that's really it. Yeah, that shouldn't be on there.
00:34:16
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So alright, so I've watched these two episodes and I'm jumping to episode one now that started at all and I'm just gonna go ahead and throw out there just 100% again Dan Schneider is an asshole
00:34:26
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Oh, 100%.
Documentaries on Industry Abuse
00:34:28
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There's no justification for it. And I am not going to sit here and say he didn't do or did do whatever he was accused of. Yeah. I have no opinion on that matter. No. I think as an individual. Yep. One of those women that worked for him probably should have kicked him in the narts. Yeah. That's the thing is now I'm going to the beginning. Yeah. Where it's talking about like the beginning and those two women who had a split of salary that was unethical and against the law.
00:34:52
Speaker
And then her having to pretend like she's being sodomized telling that story. Yeah. I was uncomfortable for her. And then they're like, can you tell about, and she's like, I really don't want to talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. And then him asking the one lady if she was a phone sex worker, like in the middle of all of the colleagues. Yeah. Yeah. And making her work for free for 11 weeks.
00:35:17
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You can't do those things. Yeah. And then they said they were like, and I, the Me Too movement for me was like bittersweet. Yeah. Cause it did a lot of really good things. Yeah. But there's always that, did that actually happen to you? Yeah. You know what I mean? And if they're like, nothing pisses me off more than a rape. Oh no. Except for somebody who's lying about it.
00:35:45
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Mm-hmm because can't unring a bell all women Should have the right and men and men. Thank you and children. Mm-hmm all people eyes whatever all individuals Should have the right to stand before they're accused. Uh-huh and give their testimony. Uh-huh and be believed. Uh-huh But because of some of the people that are out there they can't be who have dulled what that actually means Yep, you're ruining it for everybody. Yeah, because you're
00:36:14
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an asshole. Yep. And that one lady, the two, I'm still on the first episode, the two ladies that had all that stuff, she got fired for going to a concert and having friends over. Yeah. On her time off. But the thing that made me the maddest, like all those things made me really mad that episode. But the fact that was the worst for me personally. Okay. Was the fact that they investigated Dan Schneider.
00:36:41
Speaker
And everything that he caused after that fact could have been prevented if they had taken that investigation seriously and made him have consequences. But they didn't. They swept it under the rug. And how many lives were ruined? They still do that. I know they do. I'm not an idiot. There's a reason that nobody knows what happened on Epstein Island.
00:37:04
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Did you know, because I sent you, so again, this is all just things I've seen on social media, just a conversation. We've fallen down a lot of rabbit holes, but some of them we look at them and we're like.
00:37:15
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You know, that may not be too far away. So, you know, I sent you the one thing on TikTok where Epstein Island and the Nickelodeon symbol match. Match. Yeah. Did you know SpongeBob SquarePants, when he shows his license, it's the address of Epstein Island on his driver's license. I've heard that. I've seen it. I've never looked it up. I've never seen the screenshot. I don't know if it was doctored or not, but I have seen the screenshot. I don't believe shit anymore because I went and I watched something.
00:37:42
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about it was somebody else I think that was arrested in oh no no there was a tick-tock like today or yesterday that Dan Schneider had been arrested pending investigation on the Nickelodeon quiet onset thing no he hasn't no he didn't he's been on interviews not even that I literally because it said it happened like today yeah the thing that so you can't believe what you watch people no I said I'm not saying that some of it isn't entertaining or amusing or whatever the facts
00:38:11
Speaker
She got to do some research. You got to do research yourself. So I said, this is all opinions. But the thing that pissed me off is they did do an investigation of them. And nothing happened. And nothing happened. And the comment that was made by one of the two women that worked for him, if this is how he treats adult women, how can a child deal with it? That was a rough statement. Yeah. And then that one little girl, the African-American girl that was just like, they just ditched me off the Amanda show.
Parental Involvement in Child Actor Protection
00:38:36
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Yeah. I was just gone. That's episode two.
00:38:38
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And you will lead us into episode two. I'm sorry. You're fine. Like just in my opinion, you got to do things gracefully and tactfully when it comes to a kid. Yeah, this is their self-esteem. They're maturing. They've not even been through puberty. What about that one girl that they said we've already got a fat one? Yeah. And I remember her, too. She was she doesn't look anything like she did back then. No, I was I was trying to place her the whole time and then they show that picture. And I'm like, oh, because I watched all that. Me too. Loved all that.
00:39:07
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I loved Kenan and Kel too. I watched all that. Which he hasn't aged a freaking day. Because he's in stuff now. Kel? Kenan is on the fat one. SNL. Yeah. That's Kenan. Okay. Yeah. No. He hasn't aged today. But I loved all that. Now I didn't watch. I watched more of the first generation than the second generation. But it was hysterical. I loved it.
00:39:31
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Yeah, because it was Amanda Bynes had just come in as kind of when I outgrew it. Yes. Yes. But the guy on that one, Jason Hamby,
00:39:43
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sending that masturbation video to that little girl. That's the big open on that part too. And I was like, holy crap. That's the sick part. It wasn't just one. There were multiple that we know of and what I like about you. That was the show. What I like about you.
00:40:07
Speaker
What I like about you. That's really funny because I already said that. I didn't know if that's the one I just have it because I love that show and he tried to ruin it. I hate him. All capital. But Jason Hamby's journal entries where he said I'm a pedophile full blown and that he would find a kid to rape. Yeah. And then the baggie of momentos they found. Wow. Yeah.
00:40:30
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And the thing that, like, the Drake stuff in his dad really broke my heart.
00:40:38
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But episode two, or part two, or whatever you wanna call it, is what really, I think, oh, well, we're recording, so everyone got to- I'm so sorry. Oh, your mic wasn't up, they didn't hear that. Yeah. Your mic wasn't up. So, I don't know, I think I, even though I watched it out of order, I liked the order I watched it in almost. Right. But- It's like you're developing opinions about people, and then you're like, oh, he's a scumbag.
00:41:06
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But, you know, part two, part two of the whole four series thing was the one that was, I feel like, in my opinion, the hardest
00:41:23
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Like I said, the dad saying, oh my God, thank God it wasn't you. I knew this would happen. That ripped my heart out. And watching his dad just break down, it's still hard to even think about or talk about. That broke my heart. Part two was like, I just felt like it was a body blow after body blow. It was all that cast talking.
00:41:45
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and they keep flipping around. And number one, that one girl who, and I'm just gonna talk about different people, not necessarily in the order they went. But the blonde, the really cute little blonde girl that was like Dan Snyder's little protege, he said, I picked you, you're gonna be great. Yeah, that was the one that he called Fat. Yeah, and that's the one that he said, we're gonna do a show and we're gonna call it whatever her name was, talk to her parents. And then the next thing you know,
00:42:13
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She's getting a call from producers saying, your daughter's gaining too much weight. We already have a fat one. We don't need another one. I felt that when she said, I still hear those words. I felt that hit. And then she's the one that went to that comedy spot.
00:42:32
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and Dan Schneider and introduces them, shows them Amanda Bynes saying, this girl's great. You got to watch her. And then they do the Amanda Bynes show, which was supposed to be her show. Like I felt that betrayal. I felt that at the end of the end of that episode, she was like, so I was out and I just said, I guess I'll go to college. Like what else am I going to do? Like that was harsh.
00:42:59
Speaker
But what I felt the most like the most, the most I feel like was and I tried to get his name. I couldn't find his name without going back and rewatch the documentary. But I had to watch a different documentary, which we'll get to in a minute. Yeah. Was the black kid. Oh, which one? He was all that cast.
Mental Health and Industry Demands
00:43:18
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Is he the one that had the penis on his shoulder? The nose boy. Yeah. I don't know if it was him, but it was the one that they the one that they basically fired because his mom was too involved.
00:43:29
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Was that, okay, see, I don't remember if that was the kid that had the, got the man. Sorry, man. He was a man. Uh, no, he had a pretty clean shaven. That was nose boy. And you know, he was like, I started this and then I come back episode season two, they're already in New York and they're like, Oh yeah, we're not inviting you back.
00:43:46
Speaker
And the mom like crying saying it has it drove a wedge between us because it was my fault and I ruined his dream and the wedge is still there. And all she was doing was being a good mom. Yeah. Like that hurt. That's the catch when I do right there. Yeah. And and the guy ends up saying, you know, cannot physically turn a blind eye. And he shouldn't. You shouldn't.
00:44:15
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But some people I don't think have that innate strength. You know, the mom crying saying, you know, like, I cost him his dream, you know, this and that. And you're just like, like, you can feel her pain and her anger. And there were multiple parents on there that said, yeah, that was sketchy. Yeah.
00:44:31
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the little girl that got the masturbation video because her mom was in Hollywood and wouldn't let her be a part of Hollywood. Remember? And she said she was always really bitter and angry towards her mom. And then when she had a daughter who wanted to be an acting, she was like, heck yeah, let's sign you up. And then the deeper they got into it, she was like, it just wasn't.
00:44:48
Speaker
And then, you know, and I do like, part of me got a little mad at her that she was like, you know, I was going to report it, but I thought, well, what will they think about me? They'll think you're a parent protecting your child. Report him. Don't leave him with other kids. Like I was mad at her. I'll admit it. I don't care. Um, cause I hate to be like that. Like I hate to parents protect every parent. Everybody has different personalities.
00:45:12
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and everybody handles situations differently. And I never wanna judge someone for the way they protect their child. Except for if it's at the detriment of multiple other children. You left a known predator in a workplace full of young children to just protect your child. And it wasn't even protect your child. Your comment was, what kind of mother will they think I am? The same as all the other parents over there. You're just the only one that knows.
00:45:39
Speaker
I judge you now. Yeah. I was mad at her because I felt like she could have prevented some damage. And I don't like the parents that played victims when they were already suspicious. I'm sorry. You could. I'm sorry. I know that sounds really dickish. No, you know, it's I just said I don't. Yeah, but you could. You're just you're too scared. And then Amanda, we've already hit on her. I love demand binds. Loved her. I own all her movies. And I still like I follow her on TikTok.
00:46:08
Speaker
So do I. And it makes me really sad. But, and you know, it was probably a month ago and I almost told you about this two recordings ago, if that tells you how long it's been. But I was watching, it was before Quiet On Set like got its big, huge momentum because everybody knew Quiet On Set was coming. And we knew the premise behind it, but we didn't know everything. Like right now I feel like it's really catching its stride, which again is why we're talking about it. But I want to say it was Candace Owens. I'm not sure who it was.
00:46:38
Speaker
on, they were doing a podcast and they were talking about Amanda Bynes in this quite onset video. And cause I almost, I wanted to tell you cause we both loved Amanda Bynes so much, but they brought up the fact that the Amanda show, um, she was young, like they found her when she was 10. Yeah. And so in the, in her early adolescence to early adulthood, she's playing this, the Amanda Bynes show, right? Yeah.
00:47:05
Speaker
And how many different personalities did she have to switch between?
00:47:10
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and you think that doesn't have an impact on her mental health when she's having to completely switch all these personalities and all these, do you know what I mean? And I thought it was really interesting the way they presented it. And they were like, how do you think that they're not gonna have emotional and mental issues when that's how their formative years were? And I was like, that's a great point. And you're making them switch complete personalities multiple times a night at these recordings.
00:47:39
Speaker
And I meant to tell you about it when I came to record because I was like, because, you know, when Amanda Bynes initially, quote unquote, went crazy, what they dubbed her in the media, we hated it and we always wanted her
Justice System and Abuse Double Standards
00:47:49
Speaker
to come back. Yeah.
00:47:50
Speaker
And then, you know, she got the face tattoo and the face surgery and we're like, well, that screws her up, but she's not coming back because I freaking loved her. Yeah. And I still love her. I think she was hysterical. She was great. But that comment about having to switch that many personalities. What does that do to her in developmental? I thought that was a great point. Yeah. I mean, you think about adults, too, that have played played parts like there's the Heath Ledger. I was just going to say the Joker, like the curse of the Joker. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
00:48:19
Speaker
Mm hmm. Where people are like, yeah, it's just a dark era. That's what when Heath Ledger was doing it. I think Jack Nicholson told him, don't do it. Yeah. It destroyed me. Yeah. But I I really liked quite on set. Here's my problem with it. I'm telling my problem with it. So it's a fall guy. It's a fall guy. Nothing's going to happen. No.
00:48:39
Speaker
And I do find it, I'm sorry, I'm gonna bring, sorry, I'm gonna go back because I forgot this point I wanted to make. The guys, I think his name was Singer, the one that sent the masturbation video and all that stuff, Hamby, Jason Hamby. So he got six years in prison, which 100% he should have. But at least he got six years in prison. I have a problem with the fact
00:49:09
Speaker
that Hamby got six years in prison for assaulting a little girl while Peck only got 16 months because it was a little boy. Because Drake was more popular than the girls that he raped. I mean, just call a spay to spay. Drake was more famous. Drake had more clout.
00:49:24
Speaker
Yet because he was a boy I get that in my opinion That's the reason why pet got less time and I think that's just horseshit. Yeah absolute Oh What happened with Drake after so again just my opinion But why else would they give this this guy six years for raping a little girl? Oh
00:49:46
Speaker
and they have documented proof he pleaded no contest to multiple rapes against Drake who was more popular and famous and he only got 16 months what's the only other difference boy yeah that pisses me off like like Drake wasn't slapped in the face enough I honestly don't think that either was
00:50:09
Speaker
Good enough. No, 100 percent. No. But the simple fact that Peck not only didn't have to serve time. Yeah. But got to go work for another child company. Hello. Yeah. Hi. I have common sense. Have we met? That's what like, because again, I watched these out of order. So I saw that Peck only got 16 months. And my reaction when I got when I saw that, I was like, that's horse crap.
00:50:37
Speaker
But that's what we do. Child predators don't matter. Then roll around episode one or two when they're talking about the other guy. The other ones. And he said six years and I literally had to pause it and I'm like, so because Peck raped a boy. He's not. He didn't get as much time. Like that's what it boiled down to for me. I could be wrong. It probably was an age thing too. Like, oh, well, you know, he was older. He was 15, 16, you know, 14, 15 years old. He knew what was going on and
00:51:05
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you know what I'm saying like I don't know how I don't know how it played out horse crap and I could be you know I might you see people on TV they're all actors you know their reactions and whatever
00:51:17
Speaker
But the bald guy that kind of looks like Howie Mendel to me. Yeah. OK, they all they they all talked about how they hated when he left. Yeah. Like the whole set. But when they brought up the sexual abuse and he was like, wasn't on our on our thing, wasn't she? Was like, yeah, I was a child actor.
Hollywood's Selective Outrage
00:51:35
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And he said, on our show, like you, in my opinion, he looked upset like he was completely taken. Yeah.
00:51:42
Speaker
So a couple other things. I just hate that Drake almost ruined his story. Oh, yeah. Because of what? Yeah. And we're not going to. Yeah, we're not. We're going to bring up all sides. I did not look. I've not done a bunch of research into that. From what I gathered, it was just dirty text messages to a young lady. And when he found out her age, he quit. Correct. Supposedly. Yeah. Yeah. But again,
00:52:08
Speaker
three sides of every story right yeah but here's my thing back to what I was saying before I forgot my point about the infuriating that they only gave peck 16 months and the other guy six years I just feel like that's such a double standard but I liked the episode like I liked the documentary I thought it was needed but
00:52:28
Speaker
It's honestly, okay, there's been since we've talked, if you've, if you've listened to any of our episodes, you know, I love conspiracy theories. I really do. I love conspiracy theories. And I've talked multiple times about the Trump Biden election, how deep I fell into all the rabbit holes. Oh yeah, I did too. And a lot of it, a lot of it, I rolled my eyes out and a lot of it, like I said, you're like, Ooh, that can make sense. Yeah. But you know, all these,
00:52:54
Speaker
Here's here, and I'm sorry guys if you don't if you don't don't like jump down rabbit holes. You're not living
00:53:00
Speaker
You're not my friend. No, you need to get free time. I really like to see all sides like all sides because I am under no delusion about the government. Oh, no, they're not nice people. But here's what here's what I here's here's why, in my opinion, and somebody else, there's a popular web. There's a popular podcaster that said this this whole thing, Dan Schneider's the fall guy, like for the industry basically right now.
00:53:30
Speaker
But here's the deal. If they are so wanting to bust wide open the, you know, the victimization and the sexual abuse on kids in Hollywood, right? Why'd they fight so hard against Sound of Freedom? Because nobody would produce that movie. And it was all about kids being abused.
00:53:51
Speaker
So what's the difference? You pushed this one, but this one we're gonna keep under wraps and we're gonna fight as hard as we can not to let it be aired. Right, because everything they said, Faith, was surface level. 100%. They left it up to you
Victim Courage and Family Pressures
00:54:05
Speaker
to decide. Yeah. 100%.
00:54:07
Speaker
They left it up to you to sign. And I was disappointed because they went into depth. They talked multiple times about Amanda Bynes, right? Multiple times. And maybe they asked her to come on. Maybe they didn't. No one mentioned all the Twitters that she leaked back in 2013 or whenever about how she was raped and forced to have an abortion at 13. No one said anything about that. Because to that I'm sure it's speculation. And it's not even just that. Like that was during her
00:54:33
Speaker
mental breakdown. Yeah, because they labeled her as a crazy person. Yeah, they labeled her inside. They sure do. But look at all these child actors. Britney Spears.
00:54:43
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Mental breakdown, Lindsay Lohan, Justin Bieber, Amanda Bynes, all these people who are young. And you know, back in the conspiracy days when we watched it, you know, Elijah Wood said that he was protected because his mom wouldn't let him go to all the parties and wouldn't let him around all these big execs. Like she guarded that boy, which kudos to you, Mama Woods, because great job. But here's my thing with this documentary and why I believe it's a fall guy.
00:55:13
Speaker
Now, whether you love him, whether you hate him, yes, I understand he's obnoxious, but you can't talk about this type of situation without bringing up Corey Feldman. And he had to produce with his own money, My Truth, The Rape of Two Koreys. And I've watched several things with him talking about what was done to himself and Corey Hanks. And they,
00:55:40
Speaker
Basically, I mean, they did the same thing to him as they did Amanda Bynes. They basically said he was a crazy person. Yeah. But his documentary was, he had to pay for it out of his own pocket. And basically you can't see that documentary. Like I've tried to watch it. Yeah. So why bury that one? Number two, he didn't just promote a documentary and leave. He has gone and gotten people on his side to change legislation for child actors. Yeah.
00:56:08
Speaker
which kudos to you because you saw something said something did something right but you can't you can't not talk about this without him the fact that he is he was blacklisted and ostracized yep but there's another documentary do you remember it because I know you watched it I made you watch it back in the day um was it with Corey Feldman or
00:56:33
Speaker
I think he might have been mentioned. This is the other documentary and I did not have time to watch the whole one because it took me until today to find it.
00:56:43
Speaker
Quiet On Set is the one we've just watched. Correct. An Open Secret. Do you remember that? I don't know. It is. It's called The Open Secret. You can watch it on YouTube. And it is a documentary. And I'm going to tell you just it says if you go on to Wikipedia, Open Secret is a 2014 American documentary film directed by Amy J. Berg exposing child sexual abuse in the film industry in California.
00:57:09
Speaker
And it has several, several families and several kids who were raped or who things happened to. And it follows, it follows them. And the thing is, is there was one kid in it, Brian Singer. I kept talking, bringing his name up earlier because he was in this one, but, and he had those den parties.
00:57:33
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that he would do, but the thing that kills me is number one, this was produced 2014, brushed under the water, can't find anything about it at all.
00:57:44
Speaker
But there was one kid in there and he was a singer and his parents were, um, Brian Peck was in this documentary too. But there was one kid in this, if he was a singer and he was real, like his parents were ethnic and I don't remember their names. I'm trying to find it right here, but I can't.
00:58:04
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But it was the same thing. He was groomed by Singer and he was raped over and over by Singer. And his parents are talking about how like Brian Singer, they welcome Brian Singer into their house. He went to all their family. They've got home videos of Christmas and Thanksgiving with him there. Yeah. And this kid didn't want to like just give false allegations. So taped himself up with like an old school recorder.
00:58:34
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And had Bryan Singer pick him up, brought him to McDonald's and got him to admit everything. And it's the same thing, it's almost verbatim what happened with Drake and Peck. Because if you remember, Drake says that when he was on the phone with Peck, Peck says, are you recording me? And when this kid confronted Bryan Singer, he said, are you recording me? And he said, I just remember thinking like he was so afraid that the cassette was gonna like run out of tape and pop and Bryan would hear it.
00:59:04
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But Corey Feldman was in it. There's one boy. He got slipped some drugs or something and it's like in a in a nursing home in a coma and his parents are taking care of him. His dad's the football player. I want to say Michael Egan. That was him. But Corey Feldman's in it. And then it was the kid from blank check and Mark Collins rector. OK, yeah.
00:59:27
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who ended up going to like France and marrying a little boy over there that was like 18 like after like it's a whole it's really good. It's an hour and a half long. It's a movie type documentary. It's again. It's called another secret. I just find so many things suspicious. Yeah. Like so here recently there was the Cat Williams thing, right? Yeah. And did you see last year he went on Shay Shay podcast and he said,
00:59:57
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Before long, they're going to have to go after P Diddy and Jay-Z for what they're doing. And a year later, they're rating P Diddy. It's not even just that. Like how many of these people that came out into the open and were saying crazy stuff. I'm sorry. Quote unquote. Yeah. Crazy stuff. Kanye West, same deal. Okay. And everyone's like, you know, because they're rushing through their words and it's literally like verbal diarrhea.
01:00:24
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because they're trying to get it out before they quote unquote commit suicide. So I was looking into all the P Diddy stuff.
01:00:31
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And there were some names that have been dropped that I'm disappointed. Yeah. And I'm angry about TD Jakes. Mm hmm. Really, really in there. It said like I was reading one article and it said basically TD Jakes has not been convicted or even stated to do anything. He did. He just buddied up to him to soften his image. But they've got more people can also very well be. But I also heard today that he's also being named in the claim again.
01:00:57
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Everything's hearsay right now. I am not, yeah, I was just gonna say, I can't, I don't know. But you wanna know what bothers me? There's one clip, and if you were on social media at all, especially TikTok, I guarantee you've seen it. Excuse me, but it is of P Diddy, and it's when Justin Bieber was 15 years old, without a shirt on, P Diddy's got his arm around, he's like, we've just been hanging out, I don't have legal guardianship of him, but he's living a 15 year old's dream, and we're doing things that we can't speak of out loud.
01:01:27
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If you pause it when he says that and look at Justin Bieber's face, you know, like I'm not saying he did anything. And that's the thing too, like we'll never know. No. That whole series. You've got Ariana Grande.
01:01:41
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You've got all these young men, young women who don't say a word. Because they take the hush money. It doesn't even matter with that. I don't think it has anything. I'll take your money. What else is going on behind there? They're like, you know what?
01:01:58
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But quite frankly, okay, devil's advocate, not even that, like if you're a child and you are either sexually abused like Peck did, our singer, or even like Dan Schneider, no one has come out and said Dan Schneider did anything sexually, but it's the verbal and the mental abuse he put them through, right? If you've lived through that.
01:02:19
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And you finally got through it all. You don't want to talk about it. And you're a famous person and you come forward. How long are you going to have to see your face on Twitter and online and on magazines? And that's what Drake said. He said back then it was easier. There wasn't social media. There wasn't. He said, I could go to the courthouse and leave. And they're what my no one knew it was me today. If you come forward, number one, they're dragging anything you've ever said and done through the mud.
01:02:49
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Number two, you can't escape your trauma. Every time you turn on the TV, every time you swipe up on your phone, your trauma is right there for everyone else's viewing pleasure. So why would you?
01:03:03
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Do you know who I do love? Who? I've watched a lot of, I don't know, it just made me really happy. So from Sam and Kat, Sam, she wrote that book. Yes. Because she was going through all that extreme emotional- Jeanette- McCurdy? McCurdy, yeah. I always mess up her last name. I do. But while she was filming Sam and Kat, which was apparently when the verbal abuse and the mental abuse was really bad, her mom dies. Oh, okay. It's labeled, I'm glad my mom is dead. Yeah.
01:03:31
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But she only got to miss two days of work from her mom dying. That was all she was allowed to miss. But there's a podcast she goes on that I've watched some of, and then I've listened to some of her audio book about it. But more than that, I've seen all the clips on TikTok. And you know what? Maybe he's a butt in real life, but it makes me really happy. So I do like iCarly.
01:03:54
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And I always loved Spencer. Jerry trainer, I think his name is. And all the, all the things we were like, if Dan was trying to get in the kid's face, him like physically putting himself in front of the children.
01:04:10
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are the fact that if kind of just gets them out of the way and then Dan was like getting an iCarly's face or Miranda Cosgrove's face at one point and Spencer is literally like, hey Dan, hey Dan, and just kept screaming until Dan turned around. Yeah. But beyond all that, I don't know if it was in her book or in a podcast or on one of the Twitter things I've because I've watched a lot. They said that even if he was not scheduled to film and he did not have to be at work that day,
01:04:39
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He came to work anytime the children would be around Dan, period. He would not leave the set.
01:04:45
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He stayed late. He came in days. He was off. He would not let the children be there without Being there himself. It's to protect you Like well, it's even if and like I said that was just so far that we know or have been you know told just mental and Mental and emotional abuse which is just as bad and last just as long but he was there to protect those kids just as much and the other show is
01:05:13
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that there are similar clips circulating around. There's not been a lot talked about, but excuse me, is Captain Man, Hendry Dangerfield. Bella loves Henry. We've watched every single. Caleb did too. I'm sucked into that show as much. I was sad when they let it go. Loved him. That little sister who screamed all the time, drove Frankie crazy.
01:05:35
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But Captain Man did the same thing. Anytime Dan Schneider had his video and was going towards Henry or the little girl or his friend, Captain Man would literally like insert himself in between Dan and the kids. I saw that one. I've only seen two or three. Not as much as there is in Spencer. Yeah. But that's what an adult around children should do. Yeah. You don't have to think they're digital and they're just celebrities that were on these shows. Mm hmm. Nothing, dude. No, nothing. No.
01:06:04
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pieces of garbage. And you know, you can say you can say all these things like, you know, they've got to make a living and all that stuff, too. It all goes out the window when there's a kid. And that's what I forgot this. Sorry. Had a lot to say, apparently. That's all right. Because I've dominated the conversation. It's OK. It's fine. But and you know, on the drive here, I was like, I don't even think we're going to get 30 minutes. Yeah, we're over an hour. Yeah, that's all right.
01:06:29
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But remember how I said that season, that our part two is what really got punched me with all that people and all the talking and everything else? There was, I don't know if it was the same, there was two black kids they interviewed from all that. I don't remember which one it is, but one of them said they were so excited to be working because they were going to get their family out of the ghetto. And he kept saying it.
01:06:52
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Like there was so much pressure on these kids. Yeah. And they're the main meal ticket for their entire family. And that's like because all in the stuff they were talking about, uh, Amanda Bynes, conservative ship and this, that, and the other. And I'm sitting here thinking because when you watch her parents, no, her dad, no, her dad was like a piece of shit.
01:07:11
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Yeah, forcing her.
Financial Exploitation of Child Stars
01:07:13
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He probably didn't care if if Dan was doing anything to her. Nope. Like didn't care as long as she got paid a bonus. Yeah. And I think one of them said there was no it was Jeanette on an interview. They had what they called the like child fund or some crap like that where they were literally only getting like 15 percent of their paycheck.
01:07:32
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Yeah. And the rest of it just went wherever. Yeah. Well, that's like. Or whatnot. Perfect example is I don't watch this show. I just saw it on tick tock. I've got it. It knows me and the algorithm now at this point, I guess. No kidding. But honey boo boo. Yeah.
01:07:47
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There's a big thing. They've got that show with her. You know, Honey Boo Boo's been in the media doing beauty patches and stuff since she was a kid with her go-go juice, right? Yeah. She's done dance on the star. She's done all this stuff. She wants to go to college. The only money she has left in her account is $33,000. Her mother spent every other dime of everything she's worked her entire life for. Yeah.
01:08:06
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And she's like, well, you had to get your child labor laws. Is that not like a thing in Hollywood? Is that not? Apparently not. Yeah. So I mean, there's so much. And I mean, we didn't
Inappropriate Content in Teen Shows
01:08:15
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even really get into all the P.J.D. speculations. Yeah, we were going to. But that's what that's the whole thing. I was like, oh, there were so many episodes of that thing that just like I'm sitting here watching them like, wow, I I use this trash. Yeah.
01:08:30
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And now like when we go back and watch like some of the things that they were looking at as a kid, I don't think I got it. The reference wasn't there. Yeah. And so when I watch it now as an adult and I'm like, that's really inappropriate. But then I'm sitting here thinking to myself, there are people watching this that are like, I don't, I don't even want to say it. Yeah. I know. Yeah. They like it. Yeah.
01:08:56
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And I'm like, it's like, it's like, it's not even meant for kids, really. No, I don't know. Like, I don't get there was some of it that I thought. All right, you guys are reaching. Yeah, you're reaching. And you know what? It's easy to say, like, and like I said from the beginning, don't at me, don't hate me. If you're trying to get a teenage audience, you got to have teenage humor, right? And so.
01:09:19
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When you're a kid, that was hilarious. Now, in hindsight, you know, there's all these pedophiles, rapist and a douchebag in charge. Yeah,
Historical Abuse of Child Stars
01:09:27
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it's so horrible. But before that, it was just funny and relative. You know what I mean? But that's not 100 percent true. There was a lot of that stuff that we're making some of the women and even maybe some of the guys uncomfortable. Yeah. And but nobody had enough balls to stand up and say.
01:09:43
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Well, it's not that they didn't have enough balls. The kids that stood up couldn't provide for them. Oh, I'm talking about the adults. Well, they had to provide for their families, too. I get that. Yeah, I get that. Let me just advocate. Let me tell you what advocate to say. I'm going to say it 100 percent. If I'm sitting in a situation like it, somebody is clearly. Yeah. Borderline abusing the skin. Yeah. I'm going to stand up and I'm going to say something. And here's the deal. But again, this generation and that generation are so 100 percent. Oh, yeah.
01:10:12
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You're looking at a generation right now where women actually have a voice. But back then, the internet was just getting big with iCarly. And before that, there was no internet. So there wasn't all these, the Me Too movement hadn't happened. And it's not like this is new. Shirley Temple loved Shirley Temple. My grandparents have every VHS of Shirley Temple when she was little. I grew up on that crap. Loved her. The stuff they did to her. Yeah.
01:10:39
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Pills they made her take. Dorothy. Force and uppers and downers and everything else. Brooke shield posing topless at 10 because her mother signed off on it. You can every every child star Drew Barrymore. Good God when she was a kid. None of this is new. None of this is shocking. But I want to know what they're trying to hide that they would let this documentary air. Yeah.
Media Distractions and Hidden Agendas
01:11:06
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That's my question.
01:11:07
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But like I said, what are you trying to cover? Everything about this documentary, with the exception of Brian Pat, is well, no, even still with Brian. No, it's all of its surface. No, 100 percent. It's your opinion. But the only reason they're not going to air something now definitively. 110 percent. This is what happened, guys. Like, no, all of that stuff is buried. OK, the same thing with PD. Oh, yeah. I'm going to say this. I'm going to be I'll be the first to say it.
01:11:34
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Mm-hmm, maybe I don't know somebody's probably already said it probably cat Williams has we are never oh no ever. Mm-hmm going to know
01:11:43
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Anything about P. Diddy? Nothing. We still don't have Epstein's book. We're not gonna know. But my thing is- There are way too many people out there that are like, let's just wipe this under the rug. Yeah. And in two, three weeks from now, right? It's just, it's not even gonna be a thing anymore. Nobody's gonna talk about it. Nope. Just like they didn't with Epstein, just like they didn't with like any of these kids that go missing. Guys, I'm sorry, but like,
01:12:07
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And our entire generation, from kid to adult, has the attention span of a flea. Just like the guy that I talked about, there is no new information.
01:12:18
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about that guy, search his house, we don't know. He killed a shit ton of kids at a party and then blew his head off. They found shackles, videos. All the cell phones. All the cell phones. We're not looking into this. No. Come on. You can't convince me otherwise, it is just my opinion. There is something so big brewing that they would let this hit mainstream media.
01:12:46
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I'm also just going to go ahead and say 100 biggest conversation, biggest topics of conversation in this election year. Child trafficking, immigration, inflation. I'm sorry guys, but it's an election year. And it's all ramping back up. How are we going to save face here?
01:13:05
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And it's, guys, I'm not saying Democratic, I'm not saying Republican, it's every party. Oh, yeah. Evil doesn't have a party line. Look what I did in the last four months of my term. I'm just saying. I just think they're hiding something huge. I think they're making a bunch of stir to cover up something. What do they call it? Gaslighting? Look over here, guys. Hey, look over here. It's the same thing with... And then it'll be like some bar that crosses on the national news. Yeah, it's the same thing with Epstein.
01:13:35
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Same thing with going Maxwell. You still don't know shit about her either. And she's still not been sentenced, has she? I have no idea. No, because you don't hear about it anymore. Nope. Oh, by the way, if anybody knows anything about Glenn. Post it. I have not had time to actually dive into that because.
01:13:53
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like it's hectic but yeah there's just too much this is not a conspiracy theorist podcast we're leaving it open to interpretation it falls within it falls within our guideline it is current topic it falls within our passions of protecting kids and so I wanted to talk about it yeah but I'm telling you if you have not watched an open secret
01:14:19
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or if it's been a while. Yeah, I'll have to go back and watch that. Go to YouTube and watch it. Because I watched it, I think twice back in the day. I watched it, you know, four years ago when the Biden-Trump election happened. Yep. And I was trying to watch it today. Yeah. Excuse me. Because watch, watch quite on set, if you haven't already, then go watch an open secret and see how many parallels there are. Yeah. That documentary,
01:14:49
Speaker
aired 10 years ago. It's almost like the same story repeated over and over again with different people. But then it's all like looked through rose glasses. Yeah. And it kills me that I couldn't watch the whole of an open secret because I wanted to go see what Brian Pech's role in that documentary was.
01:15:09
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Cause that was before he was busted. And it, like I said, 10 years ago, they dropped that documentary, brushed it under the rug. It was not mainstream at all. Cause back then it was not kosher to talk about, you know, kid diddling. Now this one's out. No, nobody wants to talk about it.
01:15:25
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Yeah, you have to. Yeah, but go watch an open secret. It's on YouTube. It's free tonight. It's it's an hour and a half long. My
Allegations Against Industry Figures
01:15:33
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boyfriend's going to be worth it. And they go, in my opinion, that documentary is better, even though it's not as famous, quote unquote, famous of people because they don't leave it open to interpretation. Yeah.
01:15:47
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They don't leave it to maybe it happened maybe it didn't. There are people in there that's like I went here, this happened. I went here, this happened. I went here, woke up, this is what happened. Like they name names. They drop facts. They say exactly what happened to them as
01:16:08
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They try to keep it as PG rated as they can. But it's not like, you know, he did things to me. He raped me. He forced me to have oral sex on him.
01:16:19
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It's not open. There's, you watch it and you know what happened. The only one you don't know 100% what happened is the kid that's a vegetable now. But he left it in his journals for his mom to find. Like it is, it is a way better, I liked quiet on set, but I do feel like they sugar coated a lot and they alluded to a lot just to get talk going. This one, the other one,
01:16:43
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An open secret did not to get taught going. I think they allude to it because they don't want like, especially if they're naming a celebrity, they need to they need to make it to your.
01:16:55
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Yeah, because if they haven't been tried and convicted, they're just going to get sued for slander. But anyways, I'm interested to see if anything happens with the P Diddy situation because there's already been three Jane Does and one John Doe that had come forward saying they were sex trafficked or raped. Yeah. And apparently there's more to come. Well, like I said.
01:17:16
Speaker
We'll both keep an eye out for whatever information we can find, but I don't think we're going to know. We'll never know for sure. We'll never know. We'll know what they want us to know. I want to see who the scapegoat is. That's the other thing a lot of people are talking about. I want to be 110% honest with you. I think P Diddy is the scapegoat. I think P Diddy is too big. I think it goes so much further than that. Oh, I know it goes further than that. And I think that they're like, we'll slay this lamb.
01:17:45
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And there's some other people they think is going to get drug under as the sacrifices, so to speak. Yeah. To keep the, you know, higher ups. Cause it's like you said, I really don't think that we know anything unless they want us to. No, because bottom line and one of the parts of an open secret, they said it all.
01:18:06
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Dan Schneider's heyday when he's mentally mind effing these kids was right in the heart of me too. Everybody knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing. Yep. Yet they continue to let this monster around kids. Yep. Knowing what he was doing. He'd been investigated like a hundred times at that point. So they're not going to do anything. They're not going to change anything.
01:18:28
Speaker
They're going to continue to exploit the victims and victim shame and victim blame. But I think P Diddy will be a scapegoat. I think there'll be a few more that will be a scapegoat with him. I don't think P Diddy is innocent. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I feel like it'll be interesting to see what they allow us to see. But I want to know the stuff that they're not like that's what's killing me. I want to know the stuff that they know that they won't tell us. Yeah.
01:18:53
Speaker
And I think it was Candace Owens that said, the FBI rating P Diddy was not to gather evidence. It was to collect to where you never see the evidence. This is what they do. Yeah, which is also the one I think I had seen something where she was doing a podcast about all of this. Yeah.
01:19:09
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and was like, guys, it's getting too dangerous. Like she made a link between Michael Jackson and P Diddy. Yeah. She's like, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm scared for my life. Yeah. Her, her podcast is good. I want to say it. Shay Shay was good because he's had a lot of people on there that have in the industry that have said it, but I'm telling you, go watch open secret. Good. Anyway. All right.
Audience Interaction and Engagement
01:19:29
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Well, we're done with that for tonight. Yeah. Y'all let us know what you think. Yeah, I was going to say, give us your opinions. Send us links you have on our Facebook, our Instagram. Follow us on Facebook, right? Right. That's picking up some things. We got three new followers today. I like it. We got an alert. Anyway. Yeah. Well, sweet dreams. Sweet dreams. Have a good night. Bye. Bye. Bye.