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A bittersweet combination of news this week, as Cottesmore hunt 'stewards' (aka hired thugs) are convicted, whilst guest Chantelle shares her fruitless attempts to bring justice against a repeat offender that assaulted her whilst sabbing a few months ago. Mark and Ant join Chantelle to review & comment on eight stories from the last week or so- all of which have a vegan or animal rights slant.
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Enough of the Falafel is a community of people who love keeping on top of the latest news in the world of veganism & animal rights. With the Vegan Week podcast, we aim to keep listeners (& ourselves) informed & up-to-date with the latest developments that affect vegans & non-human animals; giving insight, whilst staying balanced; remaining true to our vegan ethics, whilst constantly seeking to grow & develop.
Each week we look through news stories from the past 7 days in the world of veganism & animal rights.
If you spot any news stories that might catch our fancy, or have an idea for a discussion topic, get in touch via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com.
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This week's stories:
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/activist-group-to-target-foundations-of-factory-farming
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/07/specieswatch-new-honeybee-species-in-the-uk-a-rare-gain-in-a-changing-climate
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/royal-society-for-the-prevention-of-cruelty-to-animals-g24-1260091-royal-society-for-the-prevention-of-cruelty-to-animals.html
https://vegconomist.com/politics-law/swiss-supreme-court-bans-animal-specific-terms-vegan-product-labels/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8074ry1yr5o
https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/health/chicken-linked-to-elevated-cancer-risk/
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/environment/article/elk-reintroduced-uk-rewilding-projects-beavers-h2d5lvj3q
To learn more about Chantelle's horrid ordeal & to lend your support, visit https://protectthewild.substack.com/p/call-to-action-in-support-of-wildlife
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Chantelle, Mark & Ant
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Transcript
Introduction to Vegan Week
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Speaker
Hello everybody, welcome to your one-stop shop for this week's vegan and animal rights news. I'm Anthony and joining me for this episode are Chantel and Mark, but that is enough of the falafel, it is time for Vegan Week.
00:00:15
Speaker
So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrr! Take your lab-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida.
00:00:27
Speaker
What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me. Hang on a minute. You always pick them.
00:00:42
Speaker
of social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all right. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:00:57
Speaker
No I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision.
Animal Rights News Overview
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Speaker
Hello everyone welcome to the show my name's Chantelle thank you for being here this is enough of the flackle Hi everyone, this is Mark here.
00:01:09
Speaker
Welcome to this week's vegan news where we look through last week's vegan and animal rights news. That's enough of the falafel. Let's hear what's been going on in the news this week.
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Speaker
For more details on the upcoming news stories, including links to our original source material, check out our show notes for this episode available on your podcast player.
00:01:34
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Okay, our first story of the week comes to us from Farmers Weekly. Now, because we are tuned in vegans with our ears to the ground, we kind of already knew about this one.
00:01:44
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We released an episode a few weeks ago where we got, it wasn't really a press release, it was a bit of a circular that went around different Animal Rising activists talking about their changing direction in their latest campaign.
00:01:58
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But obviously that was just sent around Animal Rising folk. But now it's hit the headlines in Farmers Weekly. They are reporting that the activist group is to target the foundations of factory farming.
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So they describe Animal Rising as a group known for their high profile protests and undercover investigations. And they're saying they're shifting their focus from the RSPCA to what it calls the heart of industrial animal agriculture.
00:02:25
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A new campaign is designed to block planning approvals for new factory farms and halt their construction. all together. Mark, we kind of already knew about this.
00:02:37
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We've kind of already reported on this, but interesting to see how this is being received by farmers
Animal Rising's New Strategy
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weekly. And I guess this is going to start filtering through to the rest of the country, I suppose, isn't it, in the UK, this change of direction?
00:02:52
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Yeah, I'd say the RSPCA are breathing a sigh relief. Animal Rising have found a new target to concentrate on because these guys are pretty laser-like focused and it's great to see them shifting to a real common enemy, I suppose, that being factory farming.
00:03:08
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I think they were very justified to do what they were doing with the RSPCA. It had run its course. I think they had realized that. It seemed obvious. They had notched up some remarkable successes along the way there with the RSPCA campaign.
00:03:21
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Now this new shift is going to be very interesting to read how it pops up in the media. It's always fun to read how the opposition describe us and describe the stuff that we're doing their internal sort of magazines.
00:03:34
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It's always fun.
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which it genuinely is, I think, to them. I think factory farming has had its day. It's run out of excuses, and it's got nowhere left to hide, and it's clearly a threat to the ongoing well-being of civilisation, really.
00:03:50
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So I'm really looking forward to seeing what Animal Rising come out with over the next, I think it'll be pretty soon, the next couple of weeks, a few months maybe, and see what sort of actions that they do, because they're known for very creative, media-friendly things,
00:04:04
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stunts slash actions that tend to get a lot of publicity, create a lot of controversy and can be very effective. So this will remind me of how Greenpeace war about 50 years ago, you know, until the rod set in a bit.
00:04:18
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So yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what we're reading about next with Animal Rising. Yeah, absolutely. And we've already got a stance put out there from the National Farmers
Farmers and Vegan Resistance
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Union. They describe British farms operating with some of the highest animal health, welfare and environmental standards in the world, saying that UK farmers are committed to high standards of animal welfare, food safety and environmental protection so there we are yeah absolutely but yeah watch this space let's see what animal rising have got in store for them thinking about farmers is they're always playing the victim farming's been around for 12 000 years and somehow they think that if we don't eat all the animals they're killing it's going go
00:05:01
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like farming is going to disappear and not exist anymore. The fact is we all still are going to eat vegetables. They're not defending farming. They're defending their right to harm animals.
00:05:12
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They know that they're using animals. A lot of farmers are psychopaths. They enjoy inflicting pain on animals. That's why they torture them in the farm before they even get to the slaughterhouse. So farmers aren't threatened actually by vegans because...
00:05:26
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of farming in itself. They're threatened as to what will expose. I follow Farming UK on Facebook and they are constantly digging at vegans and the misinformation they put out there about us and the rhetoric is, the narrative is, that they are the victims and vegans are just a pain in the arse.
00:05:47
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They don't seem to understand it's the animal welfare issues behind it all. that we have an issue with. It's their right to defend abusing animals, not their right to defend farming.
00:05:58
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And that is the narrative I get from following just Farming UK on Facebook all the time. They don't care about animals and actually... They wouldn't care about vegans if we weren't a genuine threat to them.
00:06:10
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, as you've both said, it's very important, very useful as activists to stay on top of what the other side is saying and see their point of view. So, yeah, absolutely.
00:06:22
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Fascinating to see how these things are being responded to. Let's move on to Chantel's first story of
Zoo Conservation Controversy
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the week. This one comes to us from the BBC and I'm going to label this as not a good story, but I reckon most people reading going to think it is.
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But I think there is a hidden problems in terms of what happens. It is prolonging. They are talking about a lynx. That is a type of cat. Don't think it's technically a big cat like like a tiger or a lion, but it's not not far off.
00:06:54
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And there is a lynx that was born in a zoo in Cornwall in the UK. It could become the first UK zoo-born cat to be successfully released into the wild.
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It's potentially going to be released into Germany's Black Forest, where there is a shortage of female lynxes in the European breeding programme.
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So the animal's already been moved to Germany and they're sort of doing this sort of staggered releasing where it's being moved into different enclosures and tested, I suppose, to see whether it is going to be okay released from captivity into the wild.
00:07:34
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I mean, Chantel, I take this as really bad news because... Zoos put themselves out there as conservation charities, but we know that that's such a small part of their work and generally speaking, they're just money making.
00:07:49
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This kind of promotes that side of it, which does miss the point really, doesn't it? Well, similar to farmers, they're just using animals as commodities. And the cracks are beginning to show because we're realising that they're not in it for the animals.
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They're not in it for the welfare of the animals. They're not in it for the animals' best interests. They're in it to make money because otherwise they wouldn't be, well, zoos wouldn't exist in the first place. we would have genuine conservation efforts to keep these animals alive and from going extinct and da-da-da-da-da.
00:08:19
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But we wouldn't be releasing I see now is almost domesticated animals. Because if they're living in a zoo, they're one step away from being domesticated because they are out of their natural environment.
00:08:32
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They have a routine. Their hunting instincts are at nil poix. You know, like we've taken, we've stripped, or humans, not we as vegans, but humans have stripped away all these animals' natural instincts, put them in a cage, a glass enclosure for humans to look at them every single day.
00:08:50
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In the wild, the lynx wouldn't come into so much contact with the human being. They wouldn't have all this routine, they wouldn't have all this structure. I assume the zoo keepers and whoever feeds them at the exact same time each day.
00:09:03
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These animals aren't hunting for their food. We've taken away all of these natural instincts like we have to dogs. And luckily for dogs, domesticating them has almost worked in their favour because humans actually look after them.
00:09:17
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But this animal isn't going to be looked after the wild. We stripped away their natural instincts. We wouldn't let a dog now onto the streets. I mean, a lot of people do, but look how that ends up. We then have to rescue them and put them back in a home because lot of them aren't doing very well in the streets.
00:09:32
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And that's just the streets. But this is in the wild with other predators and they will become prey to other predators because they'll be weak and vulnerable in the animal kingdom. And none of their instincts will be there.
00:09:43
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So I think breeding with another lynx is going be the last of their thoughts. You know, these lynxes, are they even going to make it a night in the wild? Because what instincts do they have anymore?
00:09:56
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You know, it's a fight in the wild. It's just it's just not considering the animal's welfare whatsoever. It's a pure selfish move. It's kind of virtue signaling, you know, like, oh, look, we're releasing it to the wild.
00:10:10
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Well, so you, so it increases the population. Like I thought zoos were conserving animals. So wouldn't you bring the female lynx into the zoo? Like so fond of doing and breed them there.
00:10:20
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Like you're so fond of doing, you know, weird. Yeah. The story here says, says that actually these animals were driven to extinction hundreds of years ago. in the UK so the damage was done long ago and like you say Chantel it's virtue signalling it's going look oh look no we are doing good we are doing good but yeah this poor animal's already been shipped thousands of miles to a completely different land mass and its fate is still not decided it may or may not be released into the wild but certainly not enjoying that bit of positive looking press for the zoo industries but
00:10:59
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Yeah, we can see through it at least. Otherwise they're completely screwed if they can't speak German, aren't they? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's the German word for lynx. So we've spoiled the fun of a lynx potentially being released
New UK Bee Species Debate
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into the world.
00:11:12
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Can we spoil the fun of this article in The Guardian that says there is a new bee species in the UK, which they are dubbing as a rare gain in a changing climate.
00:11:23
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They're saying there are few gains from the climate crisis, but a new bee species colonising UK shores is one of them. It's called the European Orchard Bee, the Latin name Osmia cornuta.
00:11:34
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It's established itself in southern England. They're saying it's an important pollinator because it's among the first to begin foraging in the spring. It's about half the size of a honeybee, but more brightly coloured.
00:11:48
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Mark, it's difficult to know how to respond to this. I mean, normally, like a new species, we'd be saying... I suppose that's a good thing, is it? Or is it? I don't know. me, I'm kind of thinking, well, does that make any difference at all?
00:12:01
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It sounds like it might be helping pollinating efforts because it's doing so at a different time of year to other species. Yeah, look, I guess the insect populations are in such decline that anything like this in the short term is probably good news to an extent in terms of spreading more pollination.
00:12:20
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But it's really a harbinger of all things back to come. I mean, stuff like this, it shouldn't be happening at all, really. Or if it was happening in nature, it would be happening over a much, much slower period of time.
00:12:34
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So this is one more sign of the breakdown of the life support systems around us, I suppose, really. In Ireland, one of the side effects, but one of the effects of climate change is that it's getting even colder over there.
00:12:51
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It's getting colder and windier and rainier because the massive blocks of ice that are breaking off from the Arctic and floating down south into the Atlantic are pushing the warm water current
00:13:05
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keeps Ireland temperate because Ireland's on the same longitude as Vancouver. So it should be getting winters of like minus 20 and minus 30, the weather doing Canada.
00:13:17
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But because of this warming effect, this moderating effect from the Gulf Stream, it's all been quite a mild climate. But that's all changing now because that Gulf Stream is shifting south.
00:13:28
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It's been forced south by cold water melting from the icebergs coming north. So it's getting even colder over there now. So even in a warming world, Ireland still isn't getting any of It's just getting colder and colder.
00:13:43
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So it's stuff like this that,
00:13:49
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of bee increasing pollination is possibly good thing in the very short term but in the long term it's a sign of things to come really and yeah it's not good news the way they're presenting it here it shouldn't be
00:14:10
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be bad news in the long run would say i'll i'll take it as a um you know getting people to think about pollinators and and their their importance like i'll take that as a positive but yeah to to to call it like oh well here's a silver lining everyone to the climate crisis yeah not so sure about that Yeah.
Chicken Consumption and Cancer Study
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Right. We're going to get scientific now. We do like featuring a study from time to time. Some of them will just say stuff that we knew already. And this kind of falls into the same category. But I don't recall reporting this exact finding on the show.
00:14:41
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So here we go. This comes to us from Plant Based News. The headline is regular chicken consumption linked to elevated cancer risk. says study obviously no schadenfreude here we're not gonna be saying oh isn't it isn't it good that people who eat chicken are more likely to die however chantelle like this is this is telling us stuff that we you know those of us who've versed ourselves well in in in plant-based dietary things like it's it's not a surprise is it hearing this hell surprise
00:15:15
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So the researchers from Italy's National Institute of Gastroenterology, there's a mouthful, found that people who ate over 300 grams of poultry per week, I don't actually know how much that is, like whether that's a couple of chicken breasts or whatever, but anyway, 300 grams of poultry per week were twice as likely to die from one of 11 different gastrointestinal cancers.
00:15:39
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Furthermore, if they ate more than this 300 grams per week, that was linked to a 27% increased chance of death overall. So it's really quite significant.
00:15:50
Speaker
So it's only 300 grams chicken? I don't know how much that is. What is that? That's like... 300 grams is about two steaks. Yeah, it's... Like a steak is about... Or a burger.
00:16:00
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Maybe one thing. So all these gym... Gym bros. Are fucked. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I think in a way... Eating that much is gluttonous.
00:16:13
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It's very vain consume animals in that quantity look good. And they talk about women being vain and injecting this and that into their faces.
00:16:24
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All these people that are going to the gym all the time, it's the same kind of vanity. It's just using animals, exploiting animals for your vanity. We're becoming very gluttonous as humans. And obviously, anyone who's eating chicken, like if that's just generally part of your diet, like forget if you're like a gym goer.
00:16:40
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I mean, if you're gym goer and you're obsessed with chicken, you're going be in well over 300 grams, but just like a normal family. Oh, yeah. Like two meals of chicken a week, you're going to exceed that 300 grams, aren't you?
00:16:53
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there's some people that go, oh, I only eat chicken. Especially when you tell them they're vegan. They're like, oh, I don't eat red meat. I only eat chicken. I'm like, well, I had chicken as pets. So it's like eating a dog to me.
00:17:05
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So it's not a lot. And there are some people that literally live off chicken nuggets, which is even more processed than just the breast that I hate even using that term that you buy the supermarket. I've seen our chickens, if they've been attacked by dog or something, and I've seen them cut open, still alive,
00:17:22
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And I've looked down while my brother was trying to sew one of them up to keep them alive. And it was literally the breast you see in the supermarket just without the cling film wrapped around it. It was a living bird, you know, that is just literally we're still away from that being a chicken breast.
00:17:41
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I mean, it's a clear call to action, isn't it? Just sharing this news story to anyone who eats chicken because like we've said, they're really low numbers, but actually... low amounts of chicken needed to have quite a significant effect.
00:17:55
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And it was, I think the study was like 5,000 people. So it's not even like a small sample. The implications for the health of people, as Chantal was saying, especially gym bros, who really stated they thrive on chicken and it's their protein, it's their lean meat that they And they eat tons and tons of chicken and they exclude red meat because the cancerous risks.
00:18:17
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When they find out about this... There's a quote here, diet is generally considered to be one of these facts. Cancer Research UK previously suggested that 21% of bowel cancers are caused by the consumption of redder processed meats.
00:18:31
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That's massive. That's a huge health risk, you know, nationwide and for individuals. So chicken has long been seen as the go-to healthy option if you insist on eating animals.
00:18:44
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And this blows a hole in that. And it follows in the back of a number of other studies that are saying the exact same thing. So I think chicken is going to be the new red meat in terms of its sort of perceived health risks.
00:18:57
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And let's hope red meat stays where it is as perceived health risk. well and we've predicted all the zoonotic pandemics because of animals and breeding them in close proximity with each other and my mum swears that a zoonotic pandemic is going to see off the human race but we've also warned people about the health risks of consuming animals and like animal products including dairy and eggs and the cholesterol and eggs and everything and by the way eggs come out of a hole that where the chicken shits and pisses from.
00:19:28
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So, you know, we've been warning people about these food items, these food products for years, and they've mocked us and mocked us and mocked us. And now it's like, it also gives you cancer, guys.
00:19:41
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And they're like, hmm, vegans are so problematic. And it's like, yeah, it's us that's the problem, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. because I'm so sick of being mocked for being vegan. And we keep warning people of all these side effects of consuming animals, whether it's our personal health or on a wider scale health risk.
00:20:00
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And like SARS and, you know, swine flu and bird flu and all of this, like breeding animals as well. Breeding birds creates bird flu. We have bird flu issues going on at the moment.
00:20:11
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You know, we're culling loads of animals. Like, when will it stop? When will they just fucking stop? When will humans stop being so greedy and just stop eating animals?
00:20:22
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Like, what will it take? Yeah, quite. I just want to go, what the fuck do you want us to say to you now? What else do you want? Just to stop eating animals, you morons.
00:20:34
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There's the next soundbite, Chantel. We got the, that's not what butter's used for. from last episode, I think we've got the next one.
Swiss Court Ruling on Vegan Products
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Okay, our next story comes from Vegconomist.
00:20:46
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And generally speaking, on the subject we're about to talk about, we've been seeing some victories, I would say, over the last six to 12 months. We have been seeing, specifically, lots of countries saying, do you know what?
00:20:58
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You can call plant-based foods whatever you want. You wanna call a vegan burger a burger? Go ahead. And it's been seen as, well, certainly by us on the show, as a victory for common sense.
00:21:09
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However, we do have to give some balance. We do have to report when it doesn't go in our favour. And unfortunately, that is what we're needing to do this week because the Swiss Supreme Court have banned animal-specific terms on vegan product labels.
00:21:24
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However, not all of them. So stay tuned and you'll hear what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do in Switzerland at the moment. So chicken and pork...
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are now prohibited. This is following a multi-year legal dispute involving Zurich-based planted foods and federal food safety authorities.
00:21:47
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Really, they must have something better to do than this, surely. However, according to the court, such usage constitutes consumer deception. Yes, that's what we're all about as vegans.
00:21:59
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Deception. Interestingly, there was a 2022 ruling from the Zurich Administrative Court which had initially found that terms like planted dot chicken were not misleading.
00:22:10
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So something's happened in the last three years that has made that misleading. However, terms such as steak or fillet remain legally permissible, which makes you think, well, if one's misleading, surely the other mark what what's going on here what do you make of this i i think it's hilarious the way the the focus here is on the uh the so-called misleading terms like vegan chicken and so on when the meat industry and the dairy industry content continuously mislead consumers with their packaging by presenting animals cartoonishly smiling as they're walking to a slaughterhouse or being milked or something like this so it's actually the the animal agriculture industry is
00:22:58
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this accusation than vegans are. The decision seems to be based around you're referring to a specific animal like a chicken or a cow, then it needs to be coming from that cow.
00:23:11
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If you're referring to general sort of label of a meat product like steak, then it's okay. So if it's species specific, it's against the law.
00:23:22
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So vegan chicken is against the law, vegan steak isn't because
00:23:28
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This is the way their thinking goes. Okay. So it's bizarre. It flies in the face of a lot of other EU countries like France, who said it was okay fairly recently to use words like vegan chicken, vegan pork.
00:23:42
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It's one more battle. It's a rear action guard, I would say, by the animal agro-cultural industry. They have nothing else to complain about. They are a complaint culture.
00:23:54
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They're a grievance culture. And this is one more of their grievances. It's a slight setback. I don't think concerns anywhere has been confused about these products.
00:24:06
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If it ever happened to a person, it would happen only once and then they would know the mistake they made. So it isn't a serious issue. It's been drummed up. It's these astroturf issues that has come from the industry and not from civil society.
00:24:22
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It's a shame that the Switzerland Supreme Court is thinking like this, but I don't think it's that much of a setback. I think people who are looking for vegan alternatives to slaughtered animals will know where to go to find them.
00:24:35
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And this isn't going to set the movement back. It's just more of the endless battles that we have to fight to get her place the table. Well, it's ironic, like Mark was saying, they've been misleading people with these names for centuries.
00:24:50
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What is pork? It's not telling you what the animal is anyway. You're using another word to describe that animal to disassociate everyone from what they're actually consuming.
00:25:01
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We don't want your word pork. It's a disgusting word. I prefer to call it penis, to be honest. rather than fried pork because it's just not a nice word.
00:25:11
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It's just so far from that beautiful creature that it's describing. It's harsh. It's a harsh sounding word. Call it whatever you want. I don't care.
00:25:21
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Just don't call it pork because it's a horrible word. I don't want that word anyway. Thank you. You've done us a favour. I'm not calling any fake pig products pork anyway because I hate that word.
00:25:32
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I won't even use the word bacon because I prefer to refer to it smoked pig flesh, you know, because I refuse to get people into the habit of using these disassociated words from what the animal actually is.
00:25:48
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I think it's so what seems to have happened. I don't why when it happened, but animal body parts that people eat are referred to in their old French names.
00:25:59
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And the animals themselves that they come from are referred to in more modern terms. So pork and beef and all these things, they're all French terms for body parts.
00:26:11
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And in the UK, and I think around the English-speaking world, it's... It's de rigour to do that. I don't know why it was done. It was after the Norman invasion or something like this.
00:26:24
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But it became habit to do that, to separate the... I'm not sure if it's a cognitive dissonance thing or if it's merely coincidental. But... we refer to body parts in the more obscure French terms rather than modern-day English for some reason and it's specific to body parts of animals.
00:26:45
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I'm not sure there's any other area in the English language where that is done, where that split is so defined and illogical, I suppose. You're right. And my dad was a French-trained chef before he was vegan.
00:26:57
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He trained in French cuisine and he's always said that what you're saying, Mark, exactly that, that it's actually the French that all these words are derived from.
00:27:08
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And it's the French actually getting particularly precious over them as well. So perhaps... That's why, because they create these words, but they are just words. They're not actually... Like, they were saying, oh, in France, you can't call it a sausage.
00:27:24
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Well, I'm sorry, but it's a shape. Sausage is a shape. You can't claim shapes. You know, you can't... Call it a circle.
00:27:34
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It's not even a... The Americans call beef burgers... I hate the word beef, but they call them hamburgers. And it's a cow, so it's all messed up. It's all backwards.
00:27:45
Speaker
We need to launch counter-campaign, don't we, clearly? A counter-campaign of ironic put-downs is... Definitely needs to be in the offing.
00:27:56
Speaker
Let's move on to our last story before we look at Chantel and Mark's pick
Elk Re-introduction Critique
00:28:01
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of the week. And it's kind of going back to a theme that we touched upon with our story about the lynx in terms of reintroducing animals into the wild that haven't been there for a while.
00:28:13
Speaker
This is referring to species. who could return to the UK after 3,000 years after a plan for rewilding got some funding.
00:28:23
Speaker
So Wilder Landscapes and the Derbyshire Wildlife Trust applied for some funding for a rewilding Britain charity. And yeah, the story is saying that these woodland foragers and wetland grazers were could, quote, help to promote the natural regeneration of woodland and maintain open clearings.
00:28:45
Speaker
They went extinct due to overhunting and a loss of habitat. And I guess, Chantel, it's one of those where we can look at it as, isn't that nice? Isn't that a nice story? Until they start doing something that...
00:28:57
Speaker
that we don't like, like eating new trees, or there's too many of them, and then all of sudden they get, quote, controlled, i.e. killed. So it's not really a story we want to see, I don't think.
00:29:08
Speaker
Lord, give me strength. They've only just announced they're reintroducing wolves back into the wild, so... What are we trying to achieve here? Because they're introducing wolves back into the wild to keep the deer population down or something, because that's going crazy now.
00:29:25
Speaker
Popular animals like pheasants, for example, that are hunted in this country aren't even native to the UK. They're Asian. So it's all backwards.
00:29:35
Speaker
We're introducing this. We're taking this away. We're introducing this to take that away or reduce that. And now elks. Let's just introduce elks. Like, what? Why? What the fuck?
00:29:46
Speaker
Like, make your mind up. What are you trying to achieve here? You want to bring back wolves so they... The deer disappear. Now you want to bring back elks. Who is a predator of elk?
00:29:57
Speaker
Is it wolves? Like, what are we trying to achieve here? It makes no sense. Just, humans were stupid the first time around and they made wolves extinct. They made elk extinct.
00:30:08
Speaker
They did this and they did that and they hunted bees to extinction. We need to start learning lessons and not give humans a second chance. We missed out on our chance of elks. We missed out on our chance of wolves in this country.
00:30:20
Speaker
It serves us right if we don't have them back. Yeah, absolutely. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. The thing that really got me fuming on this was that the last quote in the article, for which we'll give a link in the show notes, this bison ranger who's commenting on a similar project with bison, where they've been introduced to an area, says, this project shows the incredible power of nature to heal and gives us hope for the future.
00:30:49
Speaker
It's like you've just taken animal from one place and put them somewhere else. That's not healing. That's just... I just don't get what humans are trying to do. Again, I think it's ego.
00:31:00
Speaker
We're just disgusting. And there's going to be some sick fuck that wants to go and then hunt elk. And it's just another animal that these morons will consider sport. You know, watch the royal family go and smear blood all over each other's faces when they shot their first elk.
00:31:15
Speaker
Yeah, you can see it coming. You can see it coming, can't you? Right. Right. They have been our first six stories of the week. A mixed bag for sure. Some positives and some definitely not. So after this short break, we're going to hear from Mark and Chantel for their picks of the week.
00:31:31
Speaker
We have got news of a conviction. Hooray, hooray. And news of a wasn't a court decision, but a panel of people deciding something not the way round. We would like to hear.
00:31:48
Speaker
Okay, Mark, why don't you kick the ball off and give us the outcome that we're not so happy
RSPCA Advertising Controversy
00:31:55
Speaker
about. This is coming to us from the Advertising Standards Agency, and it's relating to a couple of adverts that might have popped into people's social media feed a few months ago it certainly did mine a couple of adverts from the RSPCA that were challenged because of their misleading statements.
00:32:14
Speaker
Okay so so my pick the week is concerning the the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. They're in the news again they've been in the news a lot lately for various reasons including some of their CEOs and so forth quitting over their refusal to really address the animal welfare issue.
00:32:32
Speaker
So recently the RSPCA had a series of ads running on their website, and I think there was a version on TV as well. And it was basically, they have new slogan going, every animal deserves our kindness, respect, RSPCA for every kind.
00:32:50
Speaker
Okay, so it's promoting just generally humans being nice to animals. The video, the ad itself is a sequence of various animated animals in places like factory farms or a dog being abused by its owner.
00:33:07
Speaker
a snail about to be stepped on in the street and stuff like this. So, Animals in Pearl singing the Aretha Franklin song, Respect. Okay, and it's all about promoting respect for animals.
00:33:19
Speaker
Now, obviously, this is a thing that we as vegans wholeheartedly endorse in terms of its message, but the problem was, and the issue was facing the RSPCA and the Advertising Standards Association was whether this series of images and slogan represented what the RSPCA were actually all about.
00:33:39
Speaker
and they're pointing to the fact that the RSPCA run their Assured scheme, which gives advice on consumers and farmers on the best way to torture and kill animals.
00:33:51
Speaker
So there was detractors saying that the RSPCA are hypocritical for promoting respect to all animals, whilst at the same time advising people on the best way to kill certain animals and then cook them.
00:34:05
Speaker
So the Advertising Standards Association upheld the RSPCA's right to continue with the adverts. They didn't go into too much detail other than the fact that the RSPCA Assured Scheme is legally separate entity to the RSPCA.
00:34:21
Speaker
The RSPCA run the Assured Scheme, but it is a separate entity that collects and manages its own funds and is legally seen as a separate body to the bigger umbrella RSPCA.
00:34:34
Speaker
So therefore, the RSPCA saying to respect all animals didn't include the RSPCA Assured Scheme, which, as I say, advises people on the best way to kill certain animals.
00:34:47
Speaker
So it was a loophole that allowed the Advertising Standards Association to not condemn and stop the RSPCA for going ahead and going forward with that slogan and advert.
00:34:59
Speaker
So the RSPCA, they're sort of the, as described before, as the Tory party of the animal welfare movement. They find it hard to get the balance right because it is impossible to promote respect for all animals and to also eat them at the same time.
00:35:18
Speaker
Everyone knows that. The RSPCA know that. The people watching the ad know that. But the RSPCA have, since their foundation, they've painted themselves into a corner because they were actually founded by people whose favorite pastime was fox hunting.
00:35:32
Speaker
So there's always been ugly incongruity a fault line in the idea in the ideology of the RSPCA because it is in essence and historically hypocritical organization that will find it increasingly hard to get the tone right because they're promoting the same thing that they're condemning and you can't have it both ways and they're slowly finding out that they can't have it both ways and that's why Brian May and Chris Packham resigned from their higher positions in the RSPCA because the assured scheme is bollocks really.
00:36:07
Speaker
I mean it will be looked back in decades to come and used as an example of how not to run an organisation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:17
Speaker
It'll be like doctors smoking won't it, you know, back in the 30s or whatever and And what I just wanted to focus in on a detail on this story. I mean, like everything, we put the link in the show notes.
00:36:28
Speaker
I will give a health warning. If you follow the link in the show notes for this one is a very dry bit of text on the Advertising Standards Agency. website. But in terms of the response that they've given, it seems like they've given RSPCA a lot of leg room to basically justify their position, which as far as I'm concerned, if a complaint has been lodged against an advert it doesn't really matter what the organization was intending to do.
00:36:58
Speaker
Surely it matters what people are thinking when they're watching it. Like, I don't quite understand why you get to defend yourself. Like, surely you should be gagged, not literally necessarily, but like people should look at it objectively and go, well, is what they're saying okay or not?
00:37:16
Speaker
And like you say, Mark, it's a complete loophole that's that's got them out of it. And I would, I would question that. I assume it's just not been subject to much scrutiny because surely you can still be saying something that's not true, even if it's technically not the same organization.
00:37:33
Speaker
But I was astounded that basically if you, if you follow the text that they've put on the ASA website is just full of, Oh yes, the RSPCA explained this and they, they said that this and the intention of it was this.
00:37:45
Speaker
And I'm just kind of like, well, I don't, really think that's the point is it it's how it's received firstly i had no idea the rspca was founded by hansgum so that's really interesting thank you mark secondly exactly what you're saying it's really interesting how they've been given leeway to give an explanation as to the error of their ways jim davidson when he was outed as racist was never allowed back on tv again you know, it wasn't just a matter of opinion.
00:38:14
Speaker
If someone finds it offensive, they find it offensive. But there seems to be this culture around anything that remotely involves veganism or looking out for the animals that people consume, where suddenly people go, well, there's some reason for it.
00:38:31
Speaker
Everyone backs off because there's so many people that eat animals that 99% of the population are hypocrites because they will defend anything they do, no matter how abhorrent it is.
00:38:47
Speaker
when it comes to eating animals. If, for example, someone was like, well, slavery is really bad and you go, well, keep animals as slaves, suddenly they'll start defending slavery because it's related to animal agriculture.
00:39:02
Speaker
Mm-hmm. They'll start going, well, it was fine. It was fine back then. It was fine. Anything to do with animal agriculture, however you bring it back to animal agriculture, somehow they will start justifying their actions no matter how awful they are.
00:39:17
Speaker
So remove it from eating animals and people won't defend these actions. But then link it to veganism and eating animals and suddenly people are like, well, it's okay really, isn't it?
00:39:29
Speaker
because they don't want to admit that they're wrong and having to therefore admit they're either hypocrites and give up eating animals or, you know, they just, it happens everywhere in everything.
00:39:42
Speaker
As soon as you relate it back to what people eat and don't eat animals, they start defending the most crazy issues in life just so they can carry on eating animals. Somewhere in this article, there's very long response here in the advertising standards that, as you say, and it really,
00:39:59
Speaker
bends over backwards to give every angle the RSPCA could come out with, really. It says here somewhere that the standards people couldn't find enough evidence of significant wrongdoing on the RSPCA-assured forms to justify gagging the ad.
00:40:18
Speaker
But from what I know, dozens and dozens of their farms were invaded by activists to gather evidence, animal rising people. think 40 or 50 farms around the same period of time were all investigated informally by these people who did gather evidence.
00:40:33
Speaker
And there is evidence of significant RSPCA-assured rules being flouted on their own farms throughout the country. So yeah, it seems highly biased ruling and point of view from the advertising standards.
00:40:48
Speaker
agency which is it doesn't come across as a sort of balanced fair sort of due process does it at all which i i mean in a sense you could say well it's just the advertising standards agency but actually this is media that you that everyone comes across you know everyone comes across ads and so them not being misleading them not having claims in there that are actually a load of old tosh it I think it is important, but it does come across that basically it's the equivalent of just hauling someone into your office and saying, look, someone's complained about this.
00:41:26
Speaker
Did you do it? No, no. Okay, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. We don't need to hear from anyone else. Yeah, okay. On your way. Just be a bit more careful next time. And that's that, isn't it? Like no investigation's been done.
00:41:37
Speaker
You could pull the name out of a hat person RSPCA-assured farm, and you would find examples of where they're going against their own standards. It's just... not be done properly but but i mean i i just wanted to say like shout out to ad free cities who brought the complaint at the moment obviously it didn't go the way that we wanted to but as we've covered them before on the show i i think they're a great um great organization they want to generally as their name suggests reduce um or eliminate the number of adverts in cities just in general because like ads being everywhere is not a good thing
00:42:13
Speaker
but they want to ban meat adverts just wholesale and all sorts of good stuff they do. So just wanted to give a shout out to them. I arrested outside the NIRSPC Assured's Lord House and they were ripping wings off of chickens and everything.
00:42:26
Speaker
And I got arrested for protesting outside and it was a three-day trial where I was found not guilty and the judge had no idea why any of us activists that were on trial were arrested.
00:42:36
Speaker
They will do anything to deflect from the fact that the wrongdoing lay... at the slaughterhouse where they were ripping the wings off of chickens as they were sending them to slaughter, rather than dealing with the issue and the fact that it's an abusive industry.
00:42:53
Speaker
They will deflect and deflect and arrest this person, do that and do that, but do not touch animal agriculture. Do not touch it because we want to eat animals. And slightly, the RSPCA-assured slaughterhouse, they dropped that slaughterhouse, the RSPCA, because they were doing these horrible things for chickens.
00:43:14
Speaker
And quietly, about a year later, even less than a year, they reinstated them as RSPCA-assured again. Yeah. Even though they were wings and stamping on them.
00:43:24
Speaker
And it's like precisely the point, like, we'll just give them a slap on the wrist because it's related to animal agriculture. Anything else, you would not get a slap on the wrist. But as soon as you relate it to eating animals and people having to change their ways, which is ultimately what would have to happen...
00:43:40
Speaker
if we address the issue of this is abuse, they just go, oh, don't want to dig too deep into that. No. Yeah, it's like a taboo, isn't it?
00:43:51
Speaker
Gosh, that's just sickening, isn't it? Sickening. On a slightly similar theme, there is a group that started in Ireland. I think there's right around the world now. They're called Go Vegan World.
00:44:02
Speaker
I think they were initially called Go Vegan Ireland. And their sole aim was to put loads of advertising on the sides of buses and in street massive big billboards, which are very expensive to finance.
00:44:13
Speaker
It's mainly run by one woman. I forget her name now, but she's had enormous success, partly because any time that she would fund a billboard to go up on a bus or on a city street, loads of farmers would immediately object to it.
00:44:28
Speaker
and that would get into the papers and accompanying the article of the farmer's objection was a big photograph of the billboard so the farmers complaints managed to generate hundreds of articles which always included either the slogan or the image of the of the billboard thus getting loads of free advertising so the the couple of billboards that were financed by Go Vegan World were replicated in hundreds of thousands of newspapers around the country for weeks on end because of the complaints of the farmers people.
00:45:00
Speaker
So was like that. Who was it? Millie Cyrus or someone. No, wasn't Millie Cyrus. The Barbra Streisand effect when she was complaining about someone putting one photograph of the outside of her house online and she was complaining about it.
00:45:11
Speaker
And there thousands of people. The amount of people then looking at the photograph of her house online just shot through the roof because there was a story about it. So well done to the farmers over in Ireland, I'd say. They're not the brightest star.
00:45:22
Speaker
They aren't. So keep complaining, farmers, I say. does the world feel like? Free advertising. Good to have a call to action there. Just keep instigating farmers to complain.
00:45:34
Speaker
That's good. Right. You've listened to frustrating story there of an advert that's clearly been misleading, not being taken off the airwaves. Your reward is going to be to hear news of a person being given a restraining order because of horrible stuff that they did against Huntsabs.
00:45:55
Speaker
Obviously not a good thing that it happened in the first place, but great that they have been brought to justice. It's Chantel's pick for the week. I'll give you a bit of background and then we'll hear why Chantel wanted to talk about this one a bit more.
00:46:08
Speaker
His name is Andrew Keane.
Legal Issues with Hunt Saboteurs
00:46:10
Speaker
I went to school with someone called Andrew Keane. I wonder if it's him He was facing two charges of assault by beating, one charge of common assault, while his sidekick, Barrington Nurse Phillips, there's a name for you, was facing two charges of common assault.
00:46:27
Speaker
These charges related to incidents at the opening meet of the Cotsmore Hunt in Leicestershire, in October 2024 whilst both men were acting as so-called hunt stewards and we've heard from Carlos on the show several times whilst talking about the Cotsmore hunt it sounds like it's the most notorious hunt in the country at the moment and they They have these thugs who were masquerade as stewards, cause a lot of bother and intimidation.
00:46:54
Speaker
But Chantal, brilliant news that this restraining order has gone through and justice is being served there. Maybe that can send some shockwaves and discourage this behaviour.
00:47:06
Speaker
Or is that being too dewy-eyed? I being naive there, do you think? Well, it's kind of bittersweet for me because whilst... This is brilliant. This has happened for the Cotsmoor hunt and the sabs surrounding the Cotsmoor hunt.
00:47:19
Speaker
But the reason I've chosen this article is because as people, your listeners might know, it's online and everything. So you can hopefully post the Protect the Wild video of my situation to do with this.
00:47:33
Speaker
is that I was assaulted as a lone female at a hunt two, three months ago. And Essex police have said that they're not going to do anything about it. They're not even sending it to the Crown Prosecution Service.
00:47:45
Speaker
So Protect the Wild started a petition for me and a police officer in charge of this case. He got loads of emails and sent me a passive aggressive email saying, thanks so much.
00:47:56
Speaker
for starting the petition, Charmaine, because he kept calling me Charmaine, not sure until he couldn't even get my name right. I will be putting a case together, sending this to the Crown Prosecution Service now, like really begrudgingly sending it to the Crown Prosecution Service because essentially was assaulted.
00:48:12
Speaker
So like, of course it should go to the Crown Prosecution Service. And he's backtracked now. And he's not even sending it off to the Crown Prosecution Service. He's just dealing with it in-house, so to speak.
00:48:23
Speaker
And he's going to give the guy that assaulted me a slap on the wrist and ordering him to pay the damages done to my phone that he smashed up. I mean, if I can just interject, Chantel, like I've seen the footage like on your social media from it and it's horrific.
00:48:40
Speaker
Like, and it's so clear cut as well. That's just the half of it. You don't see him throwing me around or anything as I'm trying to get my phone back off him because he smashed my phone up a second time after that well. you don't see any that because the lady that's filming it got scared and she threw her phone somewhere else.
00:48:55
Speaker
You don't even see the actual assault. You just see him doing the criminal damage once. But that is not enough, apparently. It is enough on its own. People's response to that is, that's horrific.
00:49:06
Speaker
That isn't even the half of it. But people's response to just him smashing my phone up is like, oh, that was horrific. Yeah, and the police aren't doing anything about it. So whilst it's brilliant that the Cotsmoor hunters held...
00:49:20
Speaker
to account for what they are doing because it is them that are doing it. They're hiring these thugs to beat up SABS and everything. It's great for but it's not consistent across the board.
00:49:34
Speaker
You know, guy that did it to me is essentially paid thug with the Essex and Suffolk hunt because he was following around the following week, opening gates and everything for the hunt and being little bitch.
00:49:47
Speaker
all afternoon for their closing hunt in March, I think it was. So this is happening all across the country. And there's a real lack of consistency with how it's being dealt with.
00:49:58
Speaker
So course, they're just carrying on as they were and being thugs and brutal and showing no mercy because this isn't what happened to me. The same guy that did it to me has also done it to female savs previously.
00:50:13
Speaker
not smash that he tried to, but he threw theirs onto a field, not into concrete, like he did with mine. So theirs didn't even, theirs didn't actually smash up, but he, he manhandled these female subs and everything.
00:50:25
Speaker
haven't even had a police interview. The police deleted my statement. and got me to sign a much reduced statement that they'd revised themselves and created themselves.
00:50:35
Speaker
It was about two lines just saying, oh, we've enclosed a video when they were going to send it to the Crown Prosecution Service. They're not even doing that now. Yeah, there's a real lack of consistency with what's happening across the board.
00:50:47
Speaker
And the fact that the guy that did it to me has done it already to other female SAVs and they're still not doing anything to him. But these twats that did it to these sads are being held accountable.
00:51:00
Speaker
I mean, our group of Suffolk Action for Wildlife have taken couple of huntsmen to court recently. And really nothing's happened to them.
00:51:11
Speaker
One was done for badger boating, RSPCA charges. was the RSPCA taking Sam Stanleyland to court from the Essex Suffolk hunt. And he just, again, what I consider to be got a slap on the wrist, you know.
00:51:25
Speaker
Jack Henty, who was the current huntsman, it was ruled out of court before it even happened because of something that the justice service did wrong.
00:51:36
Speaker
So it didn't even really, it was in court for one day and they had to throw it out of court because the something was overlooked and the trial couldn't continue. He went, he free as well.
00:51:47
Speaker
So there's a real lack of consistency with how this is being dealt with. They, think they protect the hunt a lot of the time. I think that's what's happening in my situation. think they're protecting him for whatever reason.
00:52:00
Speaker
They don't want to do their job properly, the police. And hate them, all of them. I mean, it's so sickening. And Mark, my mind's going to like, you know, when you were sabbing, hunting was legal.
00:52:13
Speaker
It seems so cruelly ironic that now, you know, it's an illegal activity. But still, there are so many examples of stuff like this going on.
00:52:25
Speaker
And actually, this one that we're reporting on today... where somebody has been convicted and has got a two-year restraining order, they feel like they're in the minority, like cases like that.
00:52:36
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I've always felt that hunting and hunt saboteurs and that whole thing, they represent a microcosm of how the system really works.
00:52:47
Speaker
They're like, the whole system and operation is happening right in front of you when you go to a hunt as a hunt saboteur. You see how the police, two-tier policing, this thing that's been coming out lately, two-tier policing has been practiced by the UK police since the UK police's inception.
00:53:02
Speaker
And it's always against the SABS and for the hunt. You couldn't find a more biased, lackey type of organisation than the police when you go to a hunt.
00:53:13
Speaker
They're almost like they are the private security for the hunt. And even then, they still need to employ their own formal privacy.
00:53:24
Speaker
So people like the Colors Moore Hunt, they're actually the oldest hunt in the UK. They were formed in 1666 and they've been going since. They've had a long time reputation for violence.
00:53:36
Speaker
It's a testament to the saboteurs that they're still able to go out week after week and disrupt and sabotage these guys. It's a damning indictment of the police in how they treat the hunt and how they treat the hunt saboteurs.
00:53:50
Speaker
If they saboteurs were to do a fraction of the intimidation or violence that they received from the hunt against the hunt the police would be on them straight away no doubts about it or if you were to speak to a cop the way hunts stewards speak saboteurs you would probably be arrested you know even just for speaking so yeah the police show their true colors when when you go out to hunt and you really see where you stand and where the police really stand when push comes to shove they hate you they're for them really really sickening and like you say mark is is incredible that the brave people in the face of this are still going out and still doing their bit to protect these innocent animals
00:54:31
Speaker
across the country every weekend so you know you know we take our hat off to everyone doing it and um goodness me let's hope for some more more cases like this where where justice is is being served and um you know in your case too chantelle that's that's really really horrid hearing that and um goodness we hope that that that goes in a more positive direction I haven't even replied to his email where he backtracked and said, actually, he's just going to get
00:55:04
Speaker
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