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Rob Zombie’s Halloween II
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys continue with their commentaries on the two Rob Zombie Halloween movies.
(Movie starts at 6:27)
Should this movie be retitled Rob Zombie’s Fire Walk With Me? Is this movie a misunderstood masterpiece? Is Michael Myers a reanimated corpse? What if they cloned Michael? And when all is said and done, did the Rob Zombie Halloween’s have any juice? Listen/watch and decide.
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Transcript
Controversial Statements in Film
00:00:18
Speaker
Alright, so I'm gonna leave all of that in. And by the way, when you said you didn't think that women should be leads of movies, what did you mean by that?
00:00:33
Speaker
Wow this is real gotcha journalism. This is the kind of thing you can expect from the lame stream media. Oh damn dude. You can't say anything anymore because of the folk. Trying to get my boy out there.
Halloween Franchise Overview
00:00:51
Speaker
And you know what actually that's a good segue because I think well. I mean we'll see what heat where Mr.. Zombie goes with this one, but uh I you know these movies are actually about cancel culture. It's about it's you know like David Did David Gordon Green kind of say something or maybe wasn't him? Maybe was Jamie Lee Kurt someone involved in the recent trilogy said that like There's kind of some cancel culture. I
00:01:15
Speaker
That sounds like some Jamie Lee Curtis type of shit. She's always saying weird shit. She was on like a tear between Halloween, like ending, which Halloween did end. And then- There was a movie about it called Halloween Ends. They're done. They're not doing any more. Yeah, it's over. It ended. But between that and like everything everywhere all at once, it was like, oh my God, like too much of her at once, like the same shit. Like a random interview where she was just like, yeah, I really like One Piece, the anime. I was like, okay. What was that?
00:01:46
Speaker
Honestly, these people have probably been saying like random shit all the time in interviews but no one's been like having a reason to poll anything.
00:01:56
Speaker
Or maybe not, I don't know. No, that's a good point, because there's just a need for more content now, so we're keeping everything that you say now. Every single sentence is a story. Yeah, man.
Rob Zombie's Halloween Vision
00:02:09
Speaker
So we're gonna be doing a discussion of Halloween 2, or we're gonna watch Halloween 2, and we're gonna talk about it.
00:02:17
Speaker
I'm excited for this one, man. I'm excited too. Like I said off mic before we started that, like, when I told people I was watching this, they're like, yeah, this one's really fully Rob Zombie's vision. It's almost like his fire walk with me. And as someone who loves Twin Peaks, I still don't even know what that, like, what is Rob Zombie's fire walk with me even through the lens of a Halloween sequel? Like, what the fuck does that even mean? So I'm very
00:02:45
Speaker
Intrigued as someone that's never seen Twin Peaks and has only seen Halloween too. I have no idea Well, yeah, you're gonna get the experience the reverse when you go to all the lynch stuff This is like David Lynch's fucking This is David Lynch's Rob zombies Halloween Wow, he was really inspired by Rob zombie when he made this Yeah
00:03:10
Speaker
Man, when did Firewalk with me come out? I think that was like a couple years after the show. It was early 90s. I don't know. My phone's charging, so I actually have no actual knowledge stored in my brain. I just Google things.
00:03:25
Speaker
You know, I'll just forget it. So who knows what year they came up. Let's say I was gonna pull your on my s90 You know what I could do I could just go over here Oh 92, okay 93 It's like yeah, it's like nine movies over from that's weird too. That wasn't even planned. Oh
00:03:49
Speaker
I just bought this now. No, that was because we all knew that this was they're basically the same movie is what I'm about to find out that this is I'm just about to watch fire walk with me, but like a 2009 version Directed by Rob Zombie. I can't believe this came out in 2009.
Reception of Rob Zombie's Films
00:04:06
Speaker
I had to have seen it in theaters Man, I don't even know what my impression of it was. I remember not liking it
00:04:16
Speaker
A lot of people at the time, right, did not like this. Or like, even as whatever the reaction to the zombie movies as a whole, weren't people, wasn't the general public reception more positive to the first one? Even though now I feel like that's, it's flipped of like, like, yeah, the first one has some good stuff, but it's also just trying too hard to remake certain parts, and like, this one's fully its own thing. Yeah, I almost...
00:04:45
Speaker
After watching the first one the other day with you, I almost feel like I kind of like this one more. It's just a bit more interesting. I don't know. I mean, you can already tell like by the look of the picture we're seeing, like it's already kind of different.
00:05:01
Speaker
Yeah, this looks- You're seeing Michael's face. Let's just start it. I don't wanna- I literally don't know what this movie's going to be. Like, the first one I went in knowing, like, okay, I know the basic story of Halloween, and like, I- without even having seen any previous Rob Zombie movies, like, okay, I kind of have a notion of, like, the vibe that he's gonna inject into this, but like, with this one, I literally
00:05:26
Speaker
don't know what is I've presumably Michael Myers in in Laurie Strode does that her name showed
00:05:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Presumably they will be in this and, uh, that's, that's about the extent of what I know will be in this movie. All right. Are you guys ready for Halloween too? You ready for it? Yeah. Or should we, are we doing a countdown? Yeah. Uh, I'm gonna start it and then pause it since it's got the buffer. Okay. Yeah. Let's, let's get into this. All right. Yeah. We're going to be, oh shit.
00:06:07
Speaker
in three Michael Myers. Two Michael Myers, one Michael Myers. Wait. Let's do that again. Okay. We're going to start on play, right? Yeah. You want to do the countdown? Yeah. Three Michael Myers, two Michael Myers, one Michael Myers, play. Nice.
00:06:29
Speaker
actually that's a good we've never explored what if there was like clones of Michael Myers so we had multiple Michael Myers they honestly if they have to keep it going because they will they just go full sci-fi the great slashers haven't done cloning yet right because like Jason went to space but like they haven't that wasn't I actually haven't seen Jason X so I don't I don't
00:06:56
Speaker
In a violent night. Ah, fuck. I wanna... You haven't seen it yet. Okay, hold on. Okay. Okay. Well, already the fire walk with me connection is lighting up in my brain because there's like a lot of white horse imagery in that. Oh. Yeah, dude. That's all... Okay.
00:07:24
Speaker
All you had to say was white horse. So Rob Zombie saw a fire walk with me. That's my takeaway from this so far. Is that a different actor playing Michael?
00:07:39
Speaker
He looks different, but maybe the kid's just a holder? No, that's a fully different kid. Yeah. He's not as chubby. Is that a different actor playing his wife? Can we turn the movie up like just a smidge? Let me know if you think... I think that's good. Is that too low?
00:08:04
Speaker
Or should I? Yeah, maybe raise it one more. Okay. I don't know if the, what the mics pick up or not. Yeah, we'll see. Maybe this is just supposed to be old. Oh, well, I guess before the time jump, she killed herself. So if she's still alive, then he is supposed to be the same age. I was like, maybe he's just supposed to be slightly older, but if his mom's still there, then he is the same age. Yeah.
Halloween Movie Continuity
00:08:27
Speaker
Halloween 2. Damn, I'm excited. I forgot about all of this. I didn't remember any of that intro. 15 years later. Didn't remember there. Oh, 15 years after the Michael scene. Yeah, it was 15 years after the first one. I didn't remember that at all.
00:08:50
Speaker
goes 30 years into the future and it was like flying cars. It's Blade Runner. Like, what the fuck? This is very Blade Runner-esque. And this is her after the...
00:09:03
Speaker
Immediately after Michael thing after she shot her brother in the do we see where she shot him? Was it in the face? It? Look like it was in the face. I always thought it was Look at this man fucking police harassing some innocent personal because they're covered in blood Cuz they're covered in blood have a gun. Yeah typical typical Midwestern police
00:09:33
Speaker
Damn. Does every Halloween two pick up after Halloween one, except for David Gordon greens? Well, doesn't kills kind of start right after, but kills is Halloween three. Oh, you're saying like, yeah, that chronology his Halloween is two. And then yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get what you're saying.
00:10:02
Speaker
Carpenters does. This one does. H2O is a sequel to Halloween 2, right?
00:10:11
Speaker
I don't remember I'd need to pull up like the timeline of I do like that I kind of do like that effect of this range of like there's kind of like several off ramps that you can decide of like okay well this is the blah blah blah timeline and then this is this is Rob Zombie timeline alright so guess who's the Danny Trejo of this movie the
00:10:33
Speaker
The surprise Surprise nice person not nice person, but like surprise like actor. We're like oh, that's cool. They have a small role in this movie It's this person. I think it might be like one of their first movies or like not one of their I don't know I
00:10:53
Speaker
One of, like, the first, like, bigger movies they did. The person who's in this- I remember hearing them talk about being in this movie. Damn, her eyes all fucked up. Yeah, I think it's gonna be Daniel Day-Lewis, based on the clues you- It's fucking- Oh, hey! What's his name from Sons of Anarchy, Deadwood, Jeez, and all kinds of stuff? Yeah. Um, Philip Seymour Hoffman's the guy who I'm talking about. Oh my god, that would be good.
00:11:22
Speaker
He should have played Michael Myers. A very short Michael Myers. That would have been really interesting but like this one actually talks a lot actually like he gives like a lot of monologues. Man look at that this is all fucked up. I forgot how just fucking gruesome this movie is.
00:11:39
Speaker
Was the, I mean, because this is unrated, so like, was it that gnarly in the theatrical version? I don't really remember. I don't have a whole lot of memory of seeing this movie. My memories of this movie are more recent. Even then, I've barely seen this. I've seen the Rob Zombie, the first one.
Unique Storytelling Techniques
00:11:59
Speaker
The Rob Zombie did so much more.
00:12:02
Speaker
Oh! It's all fucked up. You ever lose a nail? Nail shit's really upsetting. You ever lose a nail? Oh, like a full nail? No, but- I've had two toenails where I don't want to talk about. People don't want to hear that. But that's also another thing that's raising alarm bells of like, okay, so if the white horse wasn't the giveaway,
00:12:22
Speaker
Rob, some of you seen Twin Peaks and especially Firewalk with me because there's a nasty autopsy scene where they removed like a killer left a clue under someone's fingernail so they pull a fingernail off and you see it's like just it's it's less gory than this but it's like just as upsetting because I don't know if you're fucking awful man I hate fingernail shit Chicago II
00:12:45
Speaker
Hey, it's that guy. He was in Last Stop in Yuma County. Yeah, I need to see that. That was a really good movie. What if Jim Cummings was in this? I was surprised, because halfway through, I don't know how long. At a certain point, I was just like, man, this is not as great as I thought it would be. And then by the end of it, I'm like, holy fuck, what a journey. What a story. Yeah, I like movies like that.
00:13:15
Speaker
I was gonna say about this specific movie. I just like that his beanie says Chicago That's one for the Technically five guys and a girl whatever I remember this conversation being like yeah They're talking about like fucking a dead body or something I
00:13:42
Speaker
Sure, which, one, something not surprising to find in a Rob Zombie. I say it watching my second Rob Zombie. Of course Rob Zombie would have people discussing fucking court. And you didn't even see the version with rape in it.
00:13:56
Speaker
But then also, there's the part of me that's like, uh, real corners probably do have sick conversations. Like not, regardless of whether they actually would fuck a corpse or not, they at least like joke or talk about it. Like I think they would. He's the best part of 31, that guy. Oh, oh, oh. Was he the...
00:14:20
Speaker
He plays like Doomhead or something. Yeah, but like in Barbarian, is he the one who's like, is the owner of the rape house? Like, he's like the guy in the basement. I think so, yes. He's a very good horror guy. Yeah, he's got a great face for it. Scariest looking guy ever. As a kid, he probably looked really sweet and innocent. Yeah, dude, watch this. Man.
00:14:52
Speaker
That's fucked. This is very fucked up, but it was mostly the surprise of it that's making me laugh because, yeah, they're very dead. They're fucked up from this. I don't know why Robzemy makes you sit in this. This was something I, like, didn't understand. I do like that he's got, like, his friends that he puts in his movies, though.
00:15:23
Speaker
You know? Yeah, I like when directors have their guys, man, the body is fucked. I wonder if he met a lot of them on Halloween or if they were in the house of a thousand corpses. I don't have any memory of Devil's Rejects. But now that I own all of his movies, basically, maybe I'll rewatch it.
00:15:46
Speaker
I don't know what ultimate purpose this is gonna serve, but this is an interesting scene. Like I'm kind of captivated. Michael's in the back. Yes, but I don't even care about him in this moment. I'm just, this performance is very compelling.
00:16:12
Speaker
and like of course he has to get loose because it's a Halloween movie and we need like Michael Myers out there but like this is such a like yeah I'm already like
00:16:21
Speaker
on board with this movie finding interesting ways on, even though, yeah, like we've seen all these versions of a scene like, oh, the bus transporting him from the hospital flips and he gets loose. Like, such a weird, upsetting version of that kind of scene. And they hit a car, the crash was so fucked up enough it like woke him up. Right. He was like, I was fully dead until you hit that cow. I was. Yeah.
00:16:52
Speaker
I was just gonna stay dead. Then you hit a cow. Michael Myers like takes a fucking journey too.
Character Focus: Michael Myers
00:16:58
Speaker
I remember he like goes on a long walk and I was just very contemplative. Is that the name of this guy who's the coroner? Oh, I don't know. Michael didn't need to do what he's doing right now. What is he doing right now? Like sawing his head off. He's kind of a lot.
00:17:15
Speaker
Can I say that about Michael? I think he, like, maybe should chill out. That was... I didn't like looking at that. And you didn't even see a lot. Yeah, man, already this is way more of a commentary than, uh... Oh, here we go! Twin Peaks! That's... That'd be funny if just... He should have just cast actors from Twin Peaks in this.
00:17:47
Speaker
Okay, that would be funny if like he's using this imagery from fire walk with me if like just like Not even the same actress. It's literally just Laura Palmer from Twin Peaks shows up like none of these names mean anything to you yet I know but like the this is great And this stuff you like it yeah the stuff that people have a problem with I do
00:18:15
Speaker
I mean, this is about to get pretty fucking wild, but the parts where it's not wild, I remember really liking. Like when I said Michael goes on a long walk, a journey, I feel like he really does. Like, Oh man, it's hard to explain. I'm glad we're rewatching this. For some reason, this isn't a movie that like, uh, has like always, it isn't like always stuck in my memory.
00:18:49
Speaker
But I could probably like write down in detail every event of the last Rob Zombie when we watched. Who's that in the room with her? Because her foster parents are dead, right? I'd be concerned about who's that nurse. Oh.
00:19:12
Speaker
Octavia Spencer? Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Well, I thought that would get a bigger reaction. Well, but but but I was just trying to I was thinking I was doing the math in my brain because you were like, you prefaced it like this is like earlier on her in her career. But I was like, wait, I feel like have I seen her even earlier and stuff? Like, wasn't she in the first Ramy Spider-Man or am I mistaking her for another character actor where like when he's signing up for the wrestling?
00:19:41
Speaker
Um, I don't remember. That might be a different actress. It might be, fuck, am I confusing her with, uh, that one lady from community, Yvette, whatever. Yeah, sorry, I'm blanking on names. It's not because I disrespected, it's just because I'm a stoner. It's because you hate women. And forget them from me. Yeah, it's actually, if it was a man, I would have remembered.
00:20:05
Speaker
So it's not one of her earlier acting things. She was in a movie called The Time to Kill. I've definitely heard of that movie and maybe even glimpsed part of it on cable. I think she plays a really small role in that. Then it's a lot of TV.
00:20:27
Speaker
Okay, but what was she doing in 2002? Was she in Spider-Man? Hold on. I'm in the 2000s right now. A lot of TV. She was in Spider-Man. Checking girl. Okay. I'm in 2002.
00:20:46
Speaker
Yeah, then she was in Legally Blonde 2, SWAT, Chicken Party, Coach Carter, Mrs. Congeniality 2. She wasn't in a whole lot of, like, big stuff. So this was when she was in Seven Pounds and Drag Me to Hell. I mean, really, the help is when she started popping, right? Like, and that was like her launch pad for, like, actually,
00:21:13
Speaker
Yeah, that was two years after. Like without the help, we don't get Ma of her being a star of a movie. We don't get her being in the shape of water. Her face been cut up. Poor Octavia Spencer.
00:21:32
Speaker
Oh, she just entered the movie and she's over there's so much like I'm pretty desensitized I'm pretty desensitized to like movie violence, but like there's just such it's weird specificity to how One it's visually portrayed, but then also how the actors play these injuries. Yeah that are like This is upsetting in because it hurt. It's just like
00:21:58
Speaker
Cause the way she was playing it, she was like confused. And like, it made me confused of like, well yeah, what did happen to her? Like something's, this is awesome. She's in shock cause she fucking looked at that guy and then he like fucking slashed her a little bit. Um.
00:22:13
Speaker
But yeah, it is just interesting thinking like she was fucking brutally murdered by Michael Myers in a Rob Zombie Halloween sequel. Like she has that on her resume. It's pretty cool. I don't know. Fuck. Yeah, she gets like the shit murdered out of her and she acts the shit
Exploring Character Trauma
00:22:32
Speaker
out of them. I mean, yeah, if I'm in one of these movies, I don't want to just die. I want to like...
00:22:36
Speaker
It's like, that's what I mean, like she's like the Danny Trejo, like just this innocent person who gets fucking brutally murdered by Michael. Well, Danny Trejo, we get like a little bit more time, oh my god. Well, Michael doesn't really have anybody to connect with in this movie except for his dead mom and her horse. Oh my god. Yeah, dude. It's fucking wild.
00:23:07
Speaker
And just like the way he's framing some of those shot like the it's more thought out that the way he was standing over her just then like the angle we're seeing it from the way the bodies are like yeah we've seen movies where Michael like leaves like we talked about before like he's he's kind of he's a little bit of a stinker you know like he kind of
00:23:26
Speaker
like leaves little art installations with his body. I actually really like the, in the first, I think it's the first David Gordon Green, where he makes like a human jack-o-lantern out of a cop's skull. It's like, isn't it like the flashlight shoved into their skull and it's like the light is like coming out of their face or something? I think so. Like, yeah, I like shit like that. I'm wondering.
00:23:51
Speaker
Are Rob Zombie's other movies better if they're made within a studio system and have kind of like more cooks in the kitchen? Some people do need checks and balances and like I like overall, I do tend towards the thing of like I want the director to be able to fully do their thing. But then also these are Rob Zombie's two best movies, I think.
00:24:19
Speaker
Well, as someone who's... I haven't seen House of a Thousand Corpses, though, but I don't like Devil's Reject. Someone who's only seen one of the Rob Zombie movies I've known. Like, I can't argue that, because I don't know. But, like, I think...
00:24:34
Speaker
I think you would like him up into a point, and that's kind of where I'm at. Anything after Halloween too, I don't think I'm really on board with. I'll rewatch Devil's Reject and give it a shot, and I haven't seen three from Hell or the Monsters. I'd probably watch House of a Thousand Corpses. Um, House of a Thousand Corpses. I gotta watch that too. I've seen like House of a Thousand Corpses movies. That's a lot of corpses for a house. Like, is the house, like, how big is it?
00:25:00
Speaker
I'm open to House of a Thousand Corpses because I feel like that might have been made within a studio system. Wow, you just skipped over. This was a good joke and you just ignored it. Sorry.
00:25:11
Speaker
I wanted to get into how, where do you put the thousand corpses? Sorry. Um, but, uh, I don't know. I feel like all that was dumb to say since I haven't seen three of his movies, but I also think I've seen a lot more Rob Zombie than most of the general like public. You've seen more than me because I've seen Halloween and now parts of this,
00:25:40
Speaker
which is pretty good so far. Yeah. Um, fucking shit.
00:25:51
Speaker
Like, this isn't... And I'm sure, like, it's more gonna fully not be this the more it goes on. Like, it's not a remake of the original Halloween 2, but it is interesting how so many sequels in, like, you know, whenever someone's doing a new... Like, this isn't a trilogy, but whenever someone starts, like, a new chain of Halloween movies, the second one is always, like, Lori's in a hospital, you know? Like...
00:26:23
Speaker
Mike Hollowing kills. Well she was in that hospital for too long arguably in that one. It was like you either need to kill her off or butt her out of this hospital.
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah, they gave her the treatment they do with, like, actresses that are pregnant or something. Right. Or they kind of, like, find a reason to, like, write them out of the main thing. Like, which was fine. Like, I don't need her to be the main character of all those, especially once I realized it was gonna be a trilogy. Because, like, that first one, I was like, oh, this actually is like a nice kind of cap to that, that, you know, like, if you're gonna make it be the story of Laurie V. Michaels, like, it's actually like a kind of
00:27:01
Speaker
cool conclusion and then they're like, it's a trilogy. I'm like, oh, you're doing, you're gonna do two more? Okay. Cause it was kind of a complete statement.
00:27:08
Speaker
And then it's like, you know, she spends all of the first one just being like, Michael's coming back, everybody be afraid. And then he comes back, everyone's afraid. And then she's like, you all need to calm down. It's like, lady, you fucking riled these people up, you know? Oh, I feel like this is another recognizable character actor. He's about to murder this guy. This guy kind of looked like someone.
00:27:37
Speaker
Damn, you're saying that other people aren't someones? I feel like his reaction is like, what's this girl doing in my office? She's just getting this poor man fucking killed.
00:28:04
Speaker
His name's Buddy. Isn't that the name of Will Ferrell's character from Alf? Yeah, I think this is the same character. Yeah, I was about to ask. Like grown up. I think he was grown up in Alf. No, but he's like even more grown up. That was just his half-life. This poor man.
00:28:29
Speaker
I have expected Michael to just be the gag of like he turns out. Oh, I guess it's a see-through door So he can't like you can't just open the door and he's there but But also like why aren't you listening to her? She's like Clearly been through something and he's like, it's okay. No one's gonna hurt you and Then so now she's like locked. It's like no buddy fucking well, his name is buddy Jesus
00:28:56
Speaker
It's like, no dude, just fucking proceed with caution. Listen to what she's trying to tell you. Why are you being so jolly about this right now? This is not a normal situation. You know?
00:29:10
Speaker
I mean, you see her in your office. Are you not concerned? Yes, I agree with the points you were just making, but I I'm getting not distracted, but it's making me think of it because like I'm pretty sure the song the corners were listened to in the crash was the moody blues. And now they're showing the moody blues on the TV behind her. This is like a better version of in the first one. Don't fear the reaper.
00:29:37
Speaker
Well, no, but everyone in every time someone's watching a TV in that they're watching it the thing from another world, which, yeah, that was what was on the TV in the original movie. But it's like it's almost a joke of like, no, every literally everyone in this world is always watching the thing from another world. But this I don't know. There's something like weird and kind of surreal about like this like pervasive moody blues thing. Like, I don't know if they're going to keep that up through the whole movie, but that would be interesting. Did you notice that because of the subtitles or?
00:30:06
Speaker
Yeah, I probably wouldn't have known from... Man, that's a good fucking notice. Rob Zombie would probably be fucking... Very few people probably catch that on their first viewing. I mean, I know a few Moody Blues songs, but like I... Yeah, first watch I would be more locked into the scene, except for the closed captions told me that that was the Moody Blues. I was like, hey, wait a minute. Weren't they just playing in the previous scene?
00:30:37
Speaker
And it might've been the same song in the van. I don't actually remember. You're familiar with them? I know a few. Like I know this song is playing. I really like, I think it's called The Question. They have a song called The Question that I really like and listen to. Look at this. Hire him to do demolition work. Employ this man. That's why, honestly,
00:31:03
Speaker
This is just about how society let him down, you know? They should've given him a job, make him a productive member of society, give him a demolition job, dude. Yeah, that would've- Look at the progress he's making. He's efficient, he's just using an axe, too. He's not even using a sledgehammer.
00:31:24
Speaker
Cause not a full complaint, but the thing that I was kind of stuck on in, in zombies first one was that we spend so much time. What are your thoughts on that? Well, first I want to cut you off, but so how much of that was a dream? Like, I don't know. I like that. I've always thought that all of it was a dream.
00:31:51
Speaker
Michael never came for her. I don't think she ever came to the hospital. Oh, she just like went home afterwards No, well, she probably went to the hospital. I just don't think my she went to the hospital and this is she just went back home and she woke up to This is like years later a year later. Yeah
00:32:11
Speaker
Two years later. But like, in, I think, what we're supposed to believe is she went to the hospital after the Michael incident and then life went back to normal. And Michael never showed up. That was just a nightmare, like she's traumatized by it and has this nightmare. But I do like that, like even having to think through that and having that question of like, wait,
00:32:35
Speaker
Oh wait, literally, it just says wake the fuck up on your mirror. But like, us have this blurring of lines of unreality, surreal, and dre- I mean, that is Twin Peaks. So like, I guess Rob Zombie's a big David Lynch fan. Well, now that I said it out loud, like what that actually was, I like it more, because it seems more that- than, uh, the- it was all just a dream. It's speaking more to, uh,
00:33:02
Speaker
Her trauma and where she's at as a character right and then it's not a cop-out No, and and like it tells you things about the character state of mind and yeah I don't know because it was a dream you couldn't be The intensity of that dream just kind of lets you know like what she's fucking going through on a day-to-day basis You know yeah, oh
00:33:27
Speaker
Is that, that's her friend, right? Her friend didn't die. Yeah. So that, that was the beginning when you saw like that really fucked up girl that they were doing all the gross surgery on. So she's fine now two years later. Man, this has, this is like a full on commentary. We're in, we're locked in.
00:33:48
Speaker
I mean, I'm locked in because I'm like, I still like- We're talking and you're noticing shit that's like happening. Like, I'm appreciating choices being made, but also- Yeah, I'm liking this movie more now that we're watching it together. And then-
00:34:01
Speaker
And then I also still don't know where this is going. That's exciting to me, watching any movie, but...
Laurie's Character Arc
00:34:08
Speaker
That was the most conventional this movie is, I think. My least favorite part is still her, probably. I think I would have preferred her friend to be playing the Laurie character. You know what I mean? Yes.
00:34:26
Speaker
I like her more as an actress. I'm not a huge fan of her. I think it's her face. I don't really know her outside of these, but I'm already liking her more in this than in one. I mean, we don't really get a ton in that first one of... Well, one, she was wearing fucking glasses, so she was ugly as hell.
00:34:48
Speaker
She's just got like this bratty voice that she puts on and I know it's the way she's playing the character It's not the actress. I don't I'm just not a huge fan of what she's doing in either movie um
00:35:05
Speaker
She wasn't my favorite in the first one. I like everybody else around her though. I don't think I have any complaints about the acting from anybody. I mean, even Sherry Moon Zombie, I'm not hating on her. I don't have complaints about her yet. She shot him in the head.
00:35:24
Speaker
Okay, that that's good to have that set out loud to verify that but Rob zombie that's writing he wrote that But that also doesn't mean he can't come you know, like we could just fully move in like sure the survive headshot
00:35:41
Speaker
Well, and the franchise itself always is on a pendulum swing of like, is Michael supernatural? Is he just a regular guy? Yeah, did he have a steel plate in his forehead like the villain in one of the last seasons of Roni Kenshi?
00:35:56
Speaker
Did he have that? That would save the bullet. You know what I'm talking about? Have you watched Roni Kenshin? Yeah, I fucked with Roni Kenshin a lot. I just got distracted because I was realizing like, oh, I think this is I didn't I never saw Margo Kidder and stuff older. Like I know her mostly as like a 70s, 80s movie actress. She was Lois Lane in the original in the Christopher Reeve Superman movies.
00:36:22
Speaker
and she's in some really good horror movies. I still need to see the original Black Christmas, like the screenshots I've seen of her in that, like she's so hot in it, but she was quite good with James Brolin in the original Amityville horror, like
00:36:38
Speaker
thinking on that movie like I'm like I don't even know I feel about cuz like not a lot happens but it's like and it pales in comparison to the Ryan Reynolds one too right that's here mm-hmm I think I think it's a really good-looking movie and it has a lot of good perform but not the Ryan Reynolds one I'm talking about the original is like really well shot in like good shots fired
00:37:01
Speaker
Shots fired. That wouldn't be the Ryan Reynolds movie I'd go to the mat for. He's gonna joke about you in Deadpool versus Wolverine now. Oh, I hope he does. Ambiguous stimuli.
00:37:21
Speaker
Is Rob Zombie the sole writer on this? Probably. From the twisted mind of Rob Zombie. He would have to be giving himself that credit if he, because he produces these movies. Yeah, you know, he wrote and directed. It's all him. It's all from, from his sick, twisted vision. Uh oh. I wonder what he's working on next. Well, we know his wife will be in it.
00:37:50
Speaker
And I saw Rob Zombie perform with Korn in 2010. That shit was awesome. Joey Jordison was playing drums for... Here he is. Oh, yeah. I forgot about Loomis.
00:38:05
Speaker
This movie does interesting stuff. I like it. This part looks like it was shot for a Hallmark made for TV movie though. This location just in general and like how it's being lit is like this. This feels like the most on Halloween thing ever, but I'm, I'm into that. I'm like, take us out of the normal like comfort zone of like places and things. Also I, I would like to know if it's so bright outside too. Like that's crazy.
00:38:32
Speaker
I would like to know if Rob Zombie shoots on film or digital. There were parts in the very beginning where I was like, it almost looked like
00:38:41
Speaker
There was film grain, but I couldn't tell. I feel like his newer movies are all digital, and they do some editing to make it look like film. Yeah, you can- His new movies look bad. Even though I just talked shit about that, I would take this Hallmark look over, like, everything else he's doing. Well, in here, this feels all intentional. It's the most light you are getting in the whole movie.
00:39:06
Speaker
Yes, but but it also feels intentional. Like, I don't think Loomis is being a real prick, too. I mean, he kind of was a prick in the last one, too. But this is like drawing attention to his ego and like, yeah, he's not. I don't think his main concern, especially at this point, is like my pictures not going furthering the cause of psychology or like helping people like, you know, it's. Did you hear what he says? I want my picture sizzling.
00:39:35
Speaker
It's like, Jesus, dude, you were just fucking getting your eyes smashed in by Michael Myers two years ago. Well, maybe he's allowed to be that upset about a picture if he almost got murdered by Michael Myers. I don't know. He raped that lady in Clockwork Orange. She should calm down. Oh, yeah. He is playing the same character. This takes place after Clockwork Orange is supposed to be the future, maybe, but this is after that. Look at her. Her hair is starting to dread.
00:40:02
Speaker
That would, if she became like a fucking Chet Hanks, Rasta, like white Rasta character, that would be a bold choice. She doesn't look like she should have dreadlocks. I'm not like, I don't know.
Casting Choices Impact
00:40:21
Speaker
Fuck the man.
00:40:24
Speaker
Who's who is this guy? I don't know. This guy has to be somebody, right? I've just never like blond dreads, you know. Yeah, no, I can't think of ones that I was fond of off the top of my head. So she work at this record store, she just hang out here. Or this is a bookstore record store. Yeah, she seems like she kind of just fucking sponges around people.
00:40:50
Speaker
She's like, I was almost murdered, so I get to just be a total asshole to everybody. I mean, that would be an interesting thing to explore of, like... That's what she's doing. She's like... Sucks. All of her friends suck, too.
00:41:12
Speaker
Because there's kind of an element in, uh, talk to me with the main character of like, yes, you've been through this really traumatic thing, but also are you taking advantage of that trauma a little bit to get away with things socially that you wouldn't maybe normally be called out for or like not be able to do, but you're like, I don't know this really shitty thing happened to me. So you kind of have to let me just be selfish. I love talk to me.
00:41:39
Speaker
Great movie. I'll watch it, but I kind of hate how every time after a good
00:41:50
Speaker
Interesting creative debut film like directors immediately get attached to a franchise because apparently those guys are now gonna do a Street Fighter reboot like a live-action Street Fighter family and I mean I'll I'm like I don't even I'm like that's kind of sound it seems in because they have like a really unique Visual sense in talk to me. So I'm like see what would that be like in a like a fighting movie? Oh
00:42:15
Speaker
You're going to want to pay attention to this, I think, but I'll say this real quick. Street Fighter is an interesting move to make. I feel like it's better to do like a one-off franchise thing. I know Nolan did The Dark Knight, but not The Dark Knight. Oh, I prefer them doing that to them being a marvel. Well, not The Dark Knight even, but Insomnia. That's not a franchise, but that was his like...
00:42:39
Speaker
one for them. I really, I really like insomnia. I do too, but that was like a specific move Nolan made. Right, it was kind of an audition. I think like Street Fighter is like a good move, you know, if they're just doing one Street Fighter.
00:42:55
Speaker
I think that's a good move to get in that credibility, get more money, be able to get a bigger budget, you know, show that, cause they, blank check talked about that's Nolan showing that he can play with the big dogs. He can run a film set that big, you know, he can handle something of that size. So studios will give him a bigger budget.
00:43:19
Speaker
Sure, but you have to I think the when that happens, I think the whole pipeline and trajectory of how that works now is kind of fucked because like now actors don't like if they take the bigger franchise movie, a lot of times they're just stuck in franchise land and don't get to just
00:43:38
Speaker
move to the major leagues and then make their own stuff. Well, I'm not talking actors. I'm talking directors. No, I'm talking directors. Oh, you said actors. No, I meant to say directors. Yeah, I was like, Oh, I wasn't. Um, because like I sometimes I think most of the time they don't get to do one for me, one for, one for you, one for, one for you, one for me. It's mostly just you keep doing it for them after you do the one. Well, I think a lot of what we're seeing too is
00:44:05
Speaker
filmmakers kind of just becoming complacent themselves it doesn't seem like a lot of the filmmakers who get stuck in franchise land have like a lot of drive because like we'll look at
00:44:20
Speaker
What's his face? Fast and Furious guy who started off doing like original projects early on. He's just become like the franchise guy now and he kept getting sucked back into Fast and Furious, but it seems like he's
00:44:40
Speaker
Okay, living in that some people just want to do like big populist movies and
Horror Elements in Halloween 2
00:44:45
Speaker
that's fine. This is the part I was talking about that I Like this like a long weird contemplative journey that Michael Myers. Yeah, this is Twin Peaks goes on is it? Yeah, I really like it
00:45:02
Speaker
Like, I'm trying to think of directors who I feel like aren't allowed to exist outside of the franchise. Like it seems like a lot of them are like willingly like electing to do this nowadays. But sometimes they get snapped up so early. I feel like we don't even have a sense of you might not even know your own voice artistically what you want to do.
00:45:26
Speaker
You know and then who are some examples of that though? I'm trying to think There are examples of that. I'm just trying to think like Who are some good like more recent cases? Because I think Taika is kind of being kicked out of franchise land almost
00:45:46
Speaker
I mean, that's probably better for him, um, as a, like, writer-director. He should get back to original stuff, I think. Yeah. I don't know what happened with Thor. Oh, this guy. And Thunder. Another Sons of Anarchy appearance. Yeah. Other beardy guy looks kind of familiar. Oh, he's also in Batman Begins, too, speaking of Batman. And Memento. Mm-hmm.
00:46:18
Speaker
This is an interesting look for Michael, but also he looks like he's an assassin's creed from some angles. But then I also just love the way all of this is shot, like the shot of him in the lights, like this shit. I love this.
00:46:38
Speaker
man. They should have also thrown in a slur just to bring it back to the first one. Everyone's always calling Michael. There's a girl. Oh yeah, I remember that. There's a girl with him, right? Yeah, she stayed in the car. Is she somebody? Man, we've just been referring to people as somebodies. We'll get a, maybe we'll get another one. This movie's filled with a lot of somebodies. Yeah, there's a lot of somebodies in this.
00:47:09
Speaker
I mean, I mean you maybe should kill him but They don't know it's an evil serial killer that's just this is just something it's a vagrant Yeah, just some some Homeless guy wandered onto their property now. They're like let's let's beat the fuck out of here Yeah with a wooden baseball bat I Mean he is big as fuck though. I would probably I
00:47:38
Speaker
Beat that dude with a baseball bat if he were on my property. Beat that bitch with a bat. How tall did they say he was? Oh Tyler Maine the actor is like 6'8". Yeah, so I mean and they might even be making Michael the character like taller. He took his head off. The way they shoot him makes him seem like he's supposed to be even bigger than that. Doug you're missing it. It's a spider-man moment.
00:48:04
Speaker
about to swing go web go what does he have he has a knife wow did he slit his eye I know that's what I'm saying about the violence and this is like there's a weird specificity to like he's
00:48:24
Speaker
It's not just that he's killing people in gruesome ways. It's like how he is electing to do it. It was like... Honestly, the sound design is pretty like effective too. Yeah, it is. It's all the way it's shot. There's a very like sound of like the knife, like when he's pulling it back out, you hear the penetration and like him pulling out too. Yeah, you do hear him pulling out. Oh my God. I didn't even...
00:48:53
Speaker
No, I mean fuck I didn't even too back to back without even I mean murder is kind of a phallic thing Especially if you are stabbing someone it's like you're fucking penetrating him someone someone made that exact point you said I forgot who it was but they were comparing like Stabbing someone to like fucking them. Yeah, I mean, this is how he fucks people Like I don't think he I don't think he's into sex. So like the cannibal corpse song fucked with a knife and
00:49:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's the kind of sex Michael would have. He's going to eat that dog. He's going to eat the dog. Canonically, we know Michael Myers eats dogs. No, I think that is a thing. I think Rob Zombie is like... No filmmaker up until now, maybe, has had the balls actually show us, eat the dog. We always just see the suggestion of like, oh, there was a dog here and he ate it? Question mark? Did Alex Ross Perry point out that Michael eats dogs? I mean, I feel...
00:49:50
Speaker
He did, but like I feel like everyone I've heard talk about that original movie is like, so what's going on with that scene where he ate the dog? Like, yeah, I think Red Letter Media also brings that up in their commentary for Halloween. They're just like, so what's going on with that? He just got hungry or? Yeah, I think Rob Zombie like doubles down on it. Good. Because like they just showed him like fucking eyeballing that dog. I mean, what else is he going to eat? Dogs also domesticated dog. Probably very easy to catch.
00:50:21
Speaker
Right. I mean, that one especially was literally already caged. I do like that we're already getting way more Brad Duroff in this and I've already expressed my fondness of him. It's funny that I'm such a fan of him, but like not for easily his most iconic role is Chucky and being Chucky and those and I've really only seen one child's play movie. I want to see the rest of them. I'm seeing more dog stuff.
00:50:53
Speaker
Yeah, see, we never even see him. He's eating the dog! He's eating the dog! Okay, well, this already is automatically near the top of all the Halloween's because... Are you gonna fly the flag for Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 now? I hope you do. Because Rob Zombie has the ball... No other filmmaker has the cajones to...
00:51:19
Speaker
Yeah, I'm gonna burn my regular Halloween 2 shirt now. It's not a Rob Zombie Halloween 2. That movie's for cowards. Any movie that doesn't actually depict him eating the dog is like, I think it's like, wow. He's really going to town and she's puking up with the dog she ate.
00:51:39
Speaker
I mean, that's almost like from the- Lift the toilet seat up. Yeah, who throws up like that? You're disgusting. I don't touch the toilet when I throw up and do it. All of that, that toilet just looks gross too. It's disgusting. I can't stand when people like are all over the toilet when they're throwing up in movies.
00:52:04
Speaker
I'd be like, don't lay on me. You're just gross. Take a shower. Yeah. She doesn't know Michael's her brother yet. Or does she? I thought, well, he shows her the picture in one, but he doesn't talk. So like, I don't think we ever see a scene of her like comprehending of like, oh, we're.
00:52:23
Speaker
You're my brother, because she never even knew that she had a family before the Strodes, so. That's pretty cool. This is Twin Peaks. Both Michaels.
00:52:38
Speaker
I mean, also in Twin Peaks and David Lynch films, Doppelgangers is a big recurring theme, so having two Michaels. I like that he brought back the old Michael Mask, too, that he escapes in. I mean, we talked about it last- That's a good move. We talked about it- I like this. That's crazy. Skeleton Michael Mask, or Michael Mask on a skeleton. We're getting some-
00:53:03
Speaker
wild imagery here. Yeah, what is this? I don't know, but I love it. Like, oh my God, what the fuck? This is why he eats dog. He gets to see this. Is this the best movie ever? Like, what's the fuck? I found Boo. Who are these, the council? Those should have been the Halloween three masks if he wanted to call back. That would have been a good callback, but these, yeah. What are these? I don't know, and that's why it's so interesting. It looks so cool.
00:53:32
Speaker
My baby. I don't know what the fuck any of this is. Her dead daughter. And maybe a family again. That is 100% a different actor. I don't know how I never noticed that. Yeah, he's like not even close to like- Yeah. Being able to fake as the other- And- Or was that her? No, that was- That was her. The way it's edited and we see these like weird dream like interludes is like,
00:54:00
Speaker
Yes, we see we cut to her waking up in the bed. So that tells us that, yeah, that's like that was her nightmare. But we had cut from a Michael scene. So it was like, oh, is this inside Michael's head? Yeah. Well, that's like it. He's just also part of Twin Peaks, his shared dream journey. Just a long walk. He's going to Twin Peaks.
Loomis and Laurie: Character Arcs
00:54:22
Speaker
He's like, it's Halloween. I must return. Yeah, I do like that. He stayed away all year for two years. He was like, he, there should have been a line where he goes into a store. He's like, Hey, what day is it? He just knew too. Like the sun came up and he's like, it's Halloween. I don't have a calendar. Look at Loomis here. He looks like the fucking biggest douche ever. I'm all for selling books.
00:54:53
Speaker
Would it? Yeah. He's like, yes, I will do that. That sounds good. Can we, can we film that next? He's selling the sizzle, not the steak. Sorry. We're watching an interesting dialogue scene between Loomis and his agent publicist.
00:55:24
Speaker
She thinks it's in bad taste to take a picture. I mean, maybe I'm reaching, but like I feel like there is a little bit of a no, I don't think it's a reach. Actually, I'm going to fully give Rob Zombie credit that there's like this is some kind of commentary on.
00:55:40
Speaker
like the exploitive nature of just media in general but like of it kind of it's kind of giving a nightcrawler vibes you know if it bleeds it leads you know like he's they're chasing the sensationalism of the story rather than actually like caring about like the duty of like
00:56:02
Speaker
informing people or like whatever your job should be of like, no, we actually just this is this is just going to sell well. So that's why we need to fucking do this even if it's untasteful. Yeah.
00:56:14
Speaker
What's with the picture of Jesus next to the toilet? It's like a... It should have been a fucked... Every time we cut back to it, like the Jesus gets more fucked up looking. Like you just cut, like now we cut back and he's like frowning or something. It looks like my ex-girlfriend's like grandma's bathroom. She's like wearing something pretty similar to what Michael wore.
00:56:46
Speaker
Is this, is this really happening? Like recreating when Michael slit, uh, his dad's throat, right? But she wasn't even, she didn't know about that. So did she get the mask? She's got the same clown mask. This has to be a dream too. She's wearing the same mask and what looks to be like the same clothes.
00:57:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, she fell asleep on the toilet next to Bathroom Jesus. She's having a weird episode in front of a Bathroom House Cooper poster. She's seeing visions of their mom in front of a grave. It says Myers on it. I maybe love this movie? Question mark? It's going pretty crazy.
00:57:40
Speaker
Um, and also I'm maybe going to disagree with you about her performance. I actually am going to just at this point, I think she's good. Like she's, uh, she's doing what the movie is requiring of her for, for this specific depiction of this Laurie's arc. I think she is, you know, as they say, she understood the assignment. Like that's just not a fan of her doing it. I'm just not a fan of her.
00:58:07
Speaker
I think she's doing everything she's supposed to be doing. I'm trying to be nice about it. I don't know. I'm just not a huge fan of her and what's happening. I don't have strong opinions about her because I don't really know her. I'm just saying based on how she's doing in this movie specifically, I think she's doing a really good job actually, so I really disagree with you.
00:58:31
Speaker
I wonder... Actually, I love her. I don't like this look. I like the sweater she's wearing. What is she talking about? The dream. No, she's talking about what we're seeing right now. Is this a dream that she's... Well, the lines are blurring, which... Like this Frankenstein-like show thing with the pig.
00:59:02
Speaker
Well that was just Rob Zombie teasing you of like, hey, you know who else is a Frankenstein? Herman Munster. Check back in 20 years late. I'm gonna make a Munster movie. So she, that wasn't a dream. She was saying, talking about a panic attack she was having while she was awake. But I feel like there is an intentional blurring of like,
00:59:26
Speaker
the real and unreal, you know, like, I'm just trying to see like figure out what she thinks is happening or she was going to say it was a dream or. Yeah, yeah, I think she's good. See, I don't mind this scene. See, I don't like the face she's making. I mean, it's not it's
01:00:00
Speaker
She's got the voice stuff pretty good though. She's got a really... The mic's probably picking up the minutes.
01:00:12
Speaker
Well, it should pick this up because she's giving a great performance. Uh, and like it's not too much face stuff going on. No, but I like that face stuff. The actress who plays Michonne in the walking dead. She only does this in the walking dead. It must be like the way she's directed. She's got a lot of face stuff going on with her acting. I, I like the face stuff going on here with her performance. I like this face stuff going on right here with Mr. No face over here.
01:00:42
Speaker
I mean look at that. I don't know why there's something I like about him. Just like He's a vagrant. He's not even like Michael necessarily in this moment. He's just a fucking Mindless I don't know dude. It's I like what they're doing with Michael in this how we're showing what he's Basically what he does when it's not Halloween, you know But he's like
01:01:08
Speaker
he just kind of exists and like hides away and it's like Halloween and he's like now it's time to come back David Gordon Green kind of did something a little bit with Michael Oh when he went in that direction a little bit yeah in between but but in this this is almost like
01:01:25
Speaker
Because they say like a migrating animal. He's like a migrating zombie, though. Like he's like they've already addressed the zombie. Well, because the whole thing of like people like is Michael dead or is he alive? And it's like, I think both, you know, like I.
01:01:42
Speaker
Within my logic head cannon right now She killed him in at the end of the first one when she shot him in the head and now he is just a zombie man who kills people and like He entered like that zombie state when that crash happened basically. Yeah, like they hit that cow
01:02:03
Speaker
That's what woke him from the dead. I mean that's when he sees his mother is after that so I like I think like he is he's in this like liminal space between Life and which is such a well that is kind of interesting if like yeah He is dead, and that's why we're seeing all these visions of like let's be a family again, so he's after Lori I mean if he kills her then they're all together again and
01:02:27
Speaker
Wow. He's like a zombie. Is Rob Zombie a genius? He might be. See, I like what her friend is doing. You see, like, but her friend has also like been acting a lot. Oh, I think she's doing good. I just really like this. She has a Shelly Duvall look. We were talking about her off mic earlier. Oh, a little bit. I like her. I want to see that face. I wonder what she's doing.
01:02:55
Speaker
Sherry Moon Zombie, is that her? That was wild. So basically, if you're if you're just listening to this and not watching along with the movie, the strip club where Michael Myers' mother used to work has a sign up, be like, yeah, no, this is the this is the same club that the the dead mother of the horrible serial killer worked like they're exploited. This is all about like how all these different people are like exploiting this tragedy.
01:03:24
Speaker
Like, this is, this movie's like about stuff. I don't even remember the strip club scene. I assume Michael's gonna show up at some point. He should dance on the ball. I would, I mean, hey.
01:03:38
Speaker
But going back to Michael as like a zombie now, he's almost, I mean, yeah, he's like Solomon Grundy, basically. He should be reciting that poem, too. That'd be good. He's like, I keep going back to Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump took a long run.
01:04:01
Speaker
Michael's taken along. Well, yeah, what if like Forrest Gump we see Michael go through all these different like historical events But he just like kills people there like his blank check covered the great walks for their talking the walk
01:04:16
Speaker
Because they should put Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 among the great walks. He does actually do quite a bit of walking. This greasy guy at the strip club with the cigarette behind his ears looks I mean, maybe he is just because he's evoking like a very familiar greasy archetype. He looks like my name is Earl. A little bit, yeah. I forget the actors. It's not Jason something. Isn't it Jason something?
01:04:43
Speaker
He plays Buddy in The Incredibles, he's an almost famous
Supernatural and Narrative Choices
01:04:50
Speaker
fever. Jason Lee. Yeah, Jason Lee, a Scientologist. This is about Tom Cruise's friend. Shout out to Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise should be in these movies. I was like, what if he was in like not not even specifically a Halloween, but just like a straight up horror slash or like hard our movie.
01:05:15
Speaker
Has he done anything close to horror? I haven't seen that Ridley Scott movie, Legend or whatever, is it close to horror? Legend's like fantasy. My understanding, that's like Legend of Zelda. I know the devil is in it or something. Tim Curry plays the devil. Yeah, the images I've seen of that, it's really good.
01:05:36
Speaker
Um, yeah, I do need to get it eventually. I was slowly buying every Tom Cruise movie is scariest. I wouldn't call it that you see his face. I wouldn't call us a horror movie, but the closest to like a scare, like the scares, the most scared I've been during a Tom Cruise movie is eyes wide shut. Honestly, like I would say of.
01:05:54
Speaker
the Kubrick movies I've seen, I think Eyes Wide Shut's actually, to me, scarier than The Shining. Yeah, I don't know. There's just something so unnerving about especially the sequences where it's just like Tom alone at night in New York. It's like, wait, this is supposed to be like the most crowded city ever, the city that never sleeps. And it's like around Christmas and there's no one in the streets. Like what the fuck's going on? That's Eyes Wide Shut. That's also in Vanilla Sky too.
01:06:22
Speaker
Vanilla Sky has some eerie shit, yeah. They have like a full New York City like being empty and Tom Cruise like running through the empty city. I need to, I should pretty much vanilla. Vanilla Sky.
01:06:33
Speaker
Well, I think the argument could be made for War of the Worlds, potentially for scaring people. Oh, there's some very horrific shit in War of the Worlds. Yeah. Like that first disintegration scene when they drive off with the car. The disintegration, but then there's also like... Oh, he's just stomping fake Jason Lee's face in. You stomp on him a little bit. Look at that. You big as fuck, dude. Look at him.
01:07:02
Speaker
You see a lot of his face. He looks like Rob Zombie. Yes. Living Dead Girl. Anytime it goes back into this overtly dream-like shit, I'm just like, this is incredible. Have you seen the Living Dead Girl music video? No. Have you heard that song from Rob Zombie? It's pretty good. She looks like the Living Dead Girl.
01:07:27
Speaker
Oh, okay. That's like from his first solo album, Hell Billy Deluxe. I mean, this is what you're saying that like the mom's telling you if we can be together. You just got a killer. Yeah, I think that's what that's supposed to convey. So he's dead.
01:07:47
Speaker
Yeah. Michael's dead. See, Zombie, Rob Zombie's giving us answers. No one appreciates the work he put in. They weren't, people weren't paying fucking attention or they weren't ready for this. I don't know. Also, we're just now getting nudity for the first time. He's showing restraint. Yeah, honestly. Growth as a filmmaker. Majority, yeah. You know, look at Michael, man.
01:08:10
Speaker
I think also there's like now with the context of like, yes, he's a zombified Michael Myers. I do appreciate this scarf. This fucking fucked up dirty version of the mask is actually working for me. Whereas in the first movie, I was like, I didn't even need him to have the Shatner mask. I was like, he should have had the mask he escaped with the homemade one. But now it looks cool. Rob Zombie had a take.
01:08:38
Speaker
And I don't think we're being generous. No, I think I think everything we've we've shouted out is like intentional. I don't think we're like reaching or like inserting meaning where there isn't like I think. Oh, I think he's using the backdrop of like what could have been like a typical sequel to one of these to like insert and he like he's exploring a lot of shit in here.
01:09:01
Speaker
I mean, and you still get, like, if you just want to see a slasher, I mean, maybe this would be too weird for someone going in expecting a typical slasher, but you still get gruesome kills. Look at that fucking arm break. Yeah, the violence is so unnerving in this. And the way he's just, like, fucking freaking out about it. Yeah, but the performances, too. I think, like, I said it with the Octavia Spencer, like, even pre her actual, like, jaw fucked up, too. Yes. Like, oh, fuck.
01:09:32
Speaker
Yeah, it's so good the way all the actors they put because like it's they're showing real horror because you would be scared, confused and freaking the fuck out if this was happening. This guy just came out of nowhere. Honestly, she probably I think could have maybe got a man. He's just fucking. Well, and I'm kind of surprised like not to stereotype this line of work or like no one working here has a gun like.
01:10:02
Speaker
Yeah, that guy definitely should have had a gun. Like there would be a gun in where he keeps his money in here, right? Like, yeah. Although I don't know if at this point would that stop him because he's been shot in the face. So like, you know, like I don't I don't know. We're in. We're kind of in like, you know, he literally has become the boogeyman now, so I don't know what can kill him.
01:10:26
Speaker
the nuke, it should nuke him. This is a good movie. This is a good movie. Good movie. Did we discover this? No one else has actually thought this before. Yeah, we gotta tell people about this. We should start a podcast. No one is talking about this. Yeah, I know, except for us.
01:10:46
Speaker
Rob Zombie, I think, forgot that he made this. There's a moment in the trailer for the Joker sequel that I feel like should be a bigger meme or walking things is like, that's what we should be talking about. Like, that's how I feel about this. Like, this is what we should be talking about right here. This makes me like the David Gordon Green ones less.
01:11:09
Speaker
Maybe the first two, I still- The level of exploring, and just the level of conversation we're having about this movie, I've never come close to having about any of the three David Gordon movies. I think I could have close to this level of conversation about ends. There's a lot of shit happening in ends that people don't credit to. I've got to rewatch Halloween ends.
01:11:28
Speaker
I don't know if I'm going to watch all three or if I'm just going to go straight to Halloween ends. You end kind of like exit like, yeah, it is the end of a trilogy, but it kind of does work as its own. Like, honestly, my biggest issue with the movies that doesn't fully commit to just being that new story and then the last 15 minutes have to be like, oh, yeah, we're going to have a rematch between Lori and Michael. And I'm like, ah.
01:11:51
Speaker
I want the new stuff. You're like really getting his face and you see his. That's cool. Yeah. You just saw Michael's face like very clearly in broad daylight. I forgot how much of his face you see in this. Also, just the amount of brightly lit daytime scenes. He's walking around with his face exposed in dirty hobo Assassin's Creed mode. Any sign that he got shot in the face? He looks fine. Like I don't even see a scar.
01:12:23
Speaker
Nothing on his forehead. He hasn't like fully... I don't think he's taken the foot down. He should have an eye patch.
01:12:30
Speaker
Like, yeah, I don't I want him to bring the hood fully down because maybe there is like a wound at the top, but also maybe there isn't, you know, because he's like an immortal zombie man. So they were just outside watching and talking about this book sending. I'm kind of thinking maybe the last time I watched this, I didn't watch this cut of it. Oh, yeah. Well, I have no reference for like what is and isn't in this version.
01:12:59
Speaker
I think this guy's gonna try to kill Loomis or something. But yeah, this was listed as unrated, but it's listed as the director's cut. Whereas the first one wasn't director's cut, it was just unrated and theatrical.
01:13:22
Speaker
And I think it was mostly because of just that one rape scene. But I think this version probably does include more of the weird shit than the theatrical version. And that's why I'm probably not remembering it as much. Okay, well, yeah. This might be my first time seeing some of this stuff because I don't remember seeing his face this much at all. It makes me glad we're watching this version. Yeah. Oh.
01:13:52
Speaker
A victim of Michael? Yeah. Is he gonna try and kill him? I think maybe... Damn.
01:14:25
Speaker
Like obviously we've seen the first movie and we know that like, yeah, obviously Loomis didn't intentionally engineer Michael to be this way. Like he was already headed to fucked up them. But like I, you understand how, especially someone grieving could like see it that way and be like, you fucker, like you're in, you're capitalizing off all this. Like my daughter's dead.
01:14:50
Speaker
I don't remember that scene of them watching him out of the bookstore and they just showed him walking out along the hallway. It's like he's following Loomis. I don't remember this unmasked Michael following Loomis around. But I think that's really cool.
01:15:05
Speaker
I think yeah, all the unmasked Michael we're getting is cool. There's so many daytime, like I said, daytime, brightly lit scenes, which is jarring, but I think very intentional. Like, yeah, he's, I don't know. There's all these good choices in here that throw you off because you're like, yeah, that's not what I would expect from this. And that's good. I mean, well, I mean, we still have a good amount of time left in this movie.
01:15:33
Speaker
We have like, I think, 45 minutes. And I still kind of don't know where it's going. Like, yeah, I think Michael's going to probably kill more people because that's what happens. But like, I'm there's kind of this lingering thing over every time we go back to Laurie and like the thing of her trauma, I'm like, is she about to? She seems very close to snapping and starting to kill people herself. And I mean, we've seen her straight up have the dream where she's
01:16:01
Speaker
Recreating the like, you know his childhood kill when like, you know that the taping down and shit I was like, is that is that we're headed towards because it seems like she could be very close to that I don't want to spoil any yeah. No, I'm not I'm just kind of conjecturing out loud. I I want to be surprised but like I
01:16:24
Speaker
I'm just, you know, I'm just throwing things out based on things the movies floated. I'm looking at the runtime of the theatrical. Like, yeah, how much did they add?
01:16:41
Speaker
The theatrical is, um, 15 minutes shorter, just about.
Media and Satire in Halloween 2
01:16:48
Speaker
So, I mean, 15 minutes, you can add a lot of footage in that time. I think a lot of, there's a lot of extra Michael and Laurie shit. Cause is there? No, there's no party in this one. I'm thinking of fucking Halloween, the David Gordon green one that has like a party that the girl gets drunk. Yeah. For some reason I thought there was a Halloween party in this one.
01:17:09
Speaker
I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen. Maybe there is. It is Halloween. People do have parties on Halloween. Yeah. Weird how this movie just happens to take place on Halloween. Oh my, that's, that's the name of the movie. And it's two years after Halloween. What the fuck? So it's like, it's Halloween too.
01:17:32
Speaker
I don't know. That was a bad stretch I made. Yeah. I think you're grasping at straws, Nick. I don't think, I don't think anything of the, if there's anything relating to the holiday Halloween in these movies, I think that's coincidental. Yeah. I don't think it has anything to do with the holiday. Look at that bad tattoo. It's just a star.
01:18:00
Speaker
And where are they? Look at that light bright. Light bright said, fuck it if I die. She's a chick dressing up as a dude wants to say a chick. What is, or does everything say fuck off and her light bright.
01:18:32
Speaker
Do you understand? I think this performance is good. I don't know this actress, but I think this is... I don't know. Yeah. She came to the realization. That's what was happening in the car earlier, whatever I think.
01:18:52
Speaker
Yeah, because we never explicitly had her react to that in the like, like I said, Michael just shows her the picture of the baby and he doesn't talk. So, you know, I don't think you would know what to make of just seeing that picture. But yeah, she was looking in Loomis's fucking book.
01:19:11
Speaker
And that's what yeah together yeah Reading the mrs. Book damn reading motherfucker women reading is bad. Yeah, who taught this Chris Hardwick? And when this is gonna show I remember this okay, we just entered into the most is this 2009 right this is the most 2009 shit the walking dead just started and
01:19:38
Speaker
So Chris Hardwick is probably about to get employed. He had a lot of employment around after this. Like he just like had multiple shows. Damn. I think Weird Al's about to start dissing him too. He's going to write a song about him. He should have done like a full original song for the soundtrack. That would have been great. Oh, he was talking about parodying just there.
01:20:12
Speaker
Right now we're watching Loomis and Talk Show with Chris Hardwick and Weird Al. I'm just being held captive by all the choices this movie makes, but on a scene-to-scene basis, I'm like, I don't know what is going to happen. And it's very exciting.
01:20:31
Speaker
so we don't see exactly what happened. He is like, I've- Weird out, presumably we goofed on him. He was like, I've never been so humiliated in all of my life. Look at him, he's still walking. Michael. Walking Michael. He's getting some fucking cardio in. Honestly, we should find a way to get a hold of blank check and pitch this for talking the walk. I know it doesn't have walk in the title, but, I mean, Michael's walking, dude.
01:21:00
Speaker
Yeah, it is. The only requirement is that it has walk in the title because then look at that face. He looks like they probably should do walk among the tombstones, even though there's not that much walking in that movie, but it has walk in the title. Are you a giant? Michael's staring at a little kid dressed as a clown. Yeah, little kid, what the fuck are you doing?
01:21:23
Speaker
That's the scariest motherfucker you've ever seen. And you're trying to be friendly to him. And the tension of that was like, I'm like, is he going to kill that truck? Cause like this movie, this is. Yeah. Is he going to eat that kid? Like the dog. Yeah. He's like, I don't know. This is Michael. We'll fuck you up. So yeah, Michael's just eating whatever he wants. God damn.
Halloween Party Scene Critique
01:21:49
Speaker
Yeah. If you're a zombie, you kind of don't have to worry about your diet. I think you can just eat whatever.
01:21:56
Speaker
This movie's gotta pick up a little soon. We need some action. I feel like we have so much dialogue we're trying to, like, listen to. Or at least me.
01:22:09
Speaker
Laurie's drunk right now. Yeah, the library says fuck off and I know she's not gonna die cuz she's the main character But anytime someone stands up in a movie close to a fan I'm like, are they just gonna get like their head cut off or something? Even though I know in real life fans aren't they're not made of blades Yeah, but like in horror movie logic, that's enough to fucking kill you man
01:22:34
Speaker
I've like... They're made of like almost like a plywood, like not a plywood, but like particle board type of thing. So there is a party. Yeah, okay, so I wasn't misremembering. Halloween party on Halloween. Man, David Gordon Green's a fucking hack. Just ripping off Rob Zombie left and right.
01:22:55
Speaker
Well, you know, he just... No, I'm kidding. He decided to rip off someone else for ends. He was like, what if I rip off Christine? And that was a good decision. Did you hear that Flanagan is doing the new exorcist?
01:23:08
Speaker
Did hear that which is I didn't see the it's unrelated to believer I know I didn't see believer But it's funny that they fully or like because when they announced it like it's a new trilogy From David Gordon Green and no one like that movie then months later like anyway New new Exorcist We definitely haven't like tried to reboot this recently. Don't worry about it. I've seen
01:23:34
Speaker
I saw Believer three times in theaters. Why? Why? The first time it was intentional. The second time, both other times it was basically- You just got tricked into it? One of the times it was with- Someone was like, come in here, there's candy. And then it was like, it was actually this Believer. The first time it was like my own choice before I knew the movie was going to be bad. The second time it was with friends and the third time I basically had to go. It was
01:24:04
Speaker
When I was in rehab, we had a group and that was the movie that we were going to. So it's like, I mean, if you had already seen it, I was in line for snacks and it was taking a while and I kept just letting people go in front of him like you can go. I've seen it twice. I don't like it. Yeah.
01:24:23
Speaker
And it's like, man, all I did was just sit in the back of the theater and fucking vape. It was just all a bunch of fucking former drug addicts and alcoholics. But, um, yeah, dude, so I know how bad that movie is. I've seen it three times on the big screen. It's surprising. I was hoping to get something from it every time I watched it again, and it's like,
01:24:47
Speaker
I appreciate the movie for the things it's associated with like the better memories around it like one of the times I want a bunch of shit at the crane game at the movie theater you know or it's like the people I was with but man I can't find anything to really appreciate about that movie and it's like competently made it's just fucking bad writing you know
01:25:13
Speaker
Uh, I'll tell you why. Yeah, I haven't seen it. Um, do you ever plan on it? I own every Exorcist movie so we could just watch all of them and do commentary. But I actually, Exorcist, I feel like is a dialogue heavy franchise and we do a lot of listening. Well, I actually legitimately really want to see Exorcist 3. Uh, I think I'd rather watch those for the first time, not in the context of a commentary. Probably. Yeah. So I can listen to them.
01:25:43
Speaker
They're about to bang in this bus. So what's the like age for this party? I mean, cause Laurie was in high school in the last one. That was two years. So this is two years later. So everyone's adults here, right? Cause like, I'm just making sure it goes from high school to adult.
01:26:03
Speaker
We got a lot of nudity happening and stuff. These kids are drinking. I just want to make sure I don't need to call the cops on this party. Considering most of the boobs that we're looking at are fake, then I think they're legal. Because those are definitely not real.
01:26:26
Speaker
has anything to do with the age of the person they're on. I think you probably have to be like a legal age to get like some kind of like breast surgery done. Oh, okay. I didn't actually think that through that probably is true or a doctor feeling up in 12 parents consent. I don't know. Just have a written note for my mom. So I could get a boob. I know I'm not
01:26:53
Speaker
qualified to talk about this I wish I didn't even bring it up if you bring up the topic I'm gonna explore it man I don't mind what's happening here though I'm fine with this she said she's like a chick who wants to be a man but still wants to be a chick well she was specifically dick would still be involved then
01:27:20
Speaker
Yeah, well, and it's Tim Curry's character from Rocky Horror. I can't remember the...
01:27:29
Speaker
Don't get mad at me, Rocky. I know that movie means a lot to a lot of people. I've only seen it the one time. I don't really have strong feelings about it. It sounds like Doug hates it, and I'll double down off of what Doug says. Fuck Rocky Horror. I don't give a shit about that movie. And Doug, you know, I'm just going off of what he said, but yeah.
01:27:50
Speaker
Not a fan. Doug, but he seems like he hates it a lot more than me. I don't hate it. I just feel like the rock, the 70s rock opera movie that should have that cult following is Phantom of the Paradise. Like I just Phantom
Character Analysis and Plot Theories
01:28:07
Speaker
of the Paradise resonated with me so much more. And I'm like, also, the songs are better. But like I just like that movie is so creative and like doing so many awesome things that like
01:28:19
Speaker
Like I know they're different movies, so I shouldn't be comparing them But like if I tried to watch rocky horror immediately after fan of the paradise if you like hmm I'd probably rather just watch family paradise again So what Doug is trying to say if you like rocky horror you're a fucking loser I Mean I think that's what Michael Myers is saying isn't that why he killed her? Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't someone showed up showed it to him while he was in the hospital very like hot strangling
01:28:49
Speaker
Well, she had just had, yeah, there's something erotic about them. Michael, like, hanging out the window, like, the lighting. I think, yeah. I'm, like, partially kidding, but... You're partially kidding, but we already made the observation before that this is, this is basically Michael's sex, you know, like, killing. This is the least horny Rob Zombie? Well, I don't even know if I would call his movies horny. I'm more, like, depraved.
01:29:18
Speaker
You know? Oh, we're actually seeing what happened. You just got snapped on by Weird Al. Is that what he was so upset about? He's like, if I'd survived a shark attack, you'd be gushing at it. Are you telling me there's no difference between Michael Myers and a shark? Of course there is, good God, don't be ridiculous.
01:29:41
Speaker
No, I'm confused. Are we talking about the awesome Mark Myers? Is this the only movie in Halloween history to make that joke? That acknowledges that Mike Myers. There is a Mike Myers. Maybe. Well, I don't think he was really like, you know, too in the spotlight during the first couple Halloween movies.
01:30:03
Speaker
Sure, no. What year did he break out? His 80s SNL run was definitely after the first few movies, yeah. I wonder how he felt about that. Yeah, I don't know.
01:30:20
Speaker
Or if he just didn't care. I wonder if he probably heard a few, or like had a few jokes like thrown his way about that. I love this. Sorry, Doug sneezing in the mic. No, I sneezed in the mic. Sorry.
01:30:39
Speaker
We almost, we almost went a little too long from without a vision from dead mommy. So I'm glad that we were like, Lori's seeing the vision though. Yeah. Shared dreams, twin peaks. It's all happened. There's Michael. Michael's grabbing her. Oh, but not really. Why is that guy playing a standup base? You don't really see that, you know, among the teens too often.
01:31:08
Speaker
Well, I don't... Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like, are they teens? I don't know that they are. No, that dude has an adult face. Yeah, I think... That guy has the face of a 40-year-old. That guitar player. Dang. Harley's dead, dude. You guys... These friends are bad at communication. This is also...
01:31:37
Speaker
Is this? Does this take place in the time that the movie came out?
01:31:43
Speaker
Is this movie set in like the 2000s? I'm based on the Chris Hardwick of it all. I'm going to say yes. No one has cell phones. They've all got like the oldest landline. Like people are bad at communicating. You know, her friend just like left the party with a boy and didn't bother telling them like, Hey, I'm leaving with a boy.
01:32:09
Speaker
No one has like quick or immediate access to communicate with everyone. But I'm now cooking up a theory of what this movie is doing and what we're gonna see by the end. I don't even know if I should... I feel like the Twin Peaks of it all is giving you more insight than I've had. This theory isn't even based on the Twin Peaks vibes and visuals that are...
01:32:32
Speaker
Clearly have this movie just looks really good, too. There's so many good shots from all fuck. How did he miss Michael behind that tree? Because he's got his Assassin's Creed hoodie up good. I like the Michael kills, too.
01:32:50
Speaker
like that one you didn't even see anything okay so my theory i was just about to say probably doesn't make sense at this point because i was i was going to float that like okay michael has been dead all these years since the first movie and all these things in the visions we're seeing this is lori's the one actually doing the killing but she's seeing it's like michael's
01:33:12
Speaker
Spirit through her is enacting all this but like I don't think that makes sense anymore because she's miles away at a party She's like in places with people while Michael's doing right. She can't be two places at once or can she Twin Peaks or maybe We were all Michael all along
01:33:32
Speaker
Yeah, there's a little Michael in out all of everybody's just killing themselves And they think it's Michael look at that scary She's seen Michael before right she almost died you like recognize She's the only one to who had since she's like I'm getting the fuck out of there. I forgot what happens. I hope she doesn't die I Don't I don't know I like her I and yeah, that's those are dying screams I
01:34:04
Speaker
Man, this is upsetting now. It's almost more upsetting we're not seeing it too. Like hearing her death whales over- Hearing the screams of a character we know. While we see, and specifically intercutting that with footage of a person driving, that is not even just Twin Peaks, but David Lynch does that kind of thing a lot, I feel like. This looks like shots I've seen from Twin Peaks, not like,
01:34:33
Speaker
cutting over to here. He had a rope around his neck. Yeah, Michael's had some good variety with his kills here. Yeah, he hasn't just had to rely on the knife. Laurie's yelling that she's Michael Myers sister.
01:34:53
Speaker
Have you seen the clip? I haven't seen the movie, the Biggie, uh, Notorious B.I.G. movie, but I always laugh when I see the clip of Anthony Mackey as Tupac, where he's like, hey, yo, what's up? I'm, I'm motherfucking Tupac. He's like, does it, he doesn't look or sound like Tupac at all. That was in the Biggie movie. I've seen that clip. It's very funny.
01:35:15
Speaker
I've heard people say that Anthony Mackie's played the best Tupac and I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. I have a feeling it might have been Joe DeRosa on the We'll See You and How podcast. I don't know, I could be wrong though. Someone has said it on a podcast before.
01:35:33
Speaker
I mean, that just sounds like an insane take. I don't know. This, are they at the house where their friend? Yeah, their friend was just murdered here. There's Michael. Damn, that was pretty scary. I like got startled a little bit and that wasn't even a jump scare. Sorry.
01:35:54
Speaker
Compare this to when we were watching one, there were a lot of stretches near the end. We're like, this kind of isn't scary that we're just watching Michael bumble through the house. Look for her. But in this week, we spend like a fair amount of time with Michael, but he's still scary. Like we still it's doesn't he's menacing. At least it doesn't it doesn't detract from any of they're about to find her body.
01:36:21
Speaker
What are they looking at? I feel like they should be having a bigger reaction. Yeah, because we don't know how he killed her. Well, I don't know that they've seen the body yet. Nah, we're about to see. This is, see, this is cool. And the way they're, yeah, they're like flashing back to it as they walk through it. Like that's... I wonder if Rob Zombie made this choice or if the editor, but this is a good choice.
01:36:44
Speaker
Yeah, I there are other sequences in this that I was appreciating how it was edited. Like, I don't know. This movie is just working for me on all levels. Yeah, I'm liking this a lot more. This is like, I think a four out of five for me. Last time I gave this a three point five. I think it said about a four out of five for me. Did he write something on the wall of blood?
01:37:12
Speaker
I don't think he knows how to spell. That's what I mean. That would have been jarring. He doesn't drive in this one. He just walks? He just saw him walk. He walks. He does a lot of walking. Rob Zombie made that a point. They're like, nope. People had issues with the driving, so no driving. We still have a decent amount left too. We got like a half hour. That's exciting.
01:37:43
Speaker
don't think it's just going to play out like a normal slasher last act as these girls run from Michael. Like I feel like based on everything we've been building and seeing that it's going to be weirder than that. I do remember the ending. Like obviously we're. Yeah, I was going to say these girls are going to get killed, but like I still we're going to get some weirder shit on top of that and I'm here for it.
01:38:14
Speaker
He's like, are you a dog? Can I eat you? Did he punch? Oh, I want him to fucking punch somebody to death. Just like one fucking punch to the face. That knife looks big. I think he upgraded at some point because the knife he had when he was like on those people's property was not as big as the knife he's got now. Man, there's a death in, uh, in a violent nature and man,
01:38:46
Speaker
There's like a paralysis that happens. Oh fuck. It's fucking really hard to watch That's a movie though It gets ridiculous, but it makes you watch the the kill scenes You're following the killer the whole time, but not even just that like the way they film it They're like no you're gonna like
01:39:08
Speaker
Sit in this and you're gonna watch it and we're gonna show you all of what's happening No matter how ridiculous it is and the kills are dude There was one kill or two kills that were lasting so long so uncomfortably long My audience was laughing just and we were laughing for minutes after it was like it was a good moviegoing experience and
01:39:35
Speaker
And it was weird because it was like this on a whim thing. I went like super late at night just because I had taken a nap and was like wide awake and just on a whim just drove to the AMC quest request would use my stubs thing and there was a good amount of people in the theater and it was a fun time, you know, I like
01:39:57
Speaker
I was gonna like hit you up, but it was like super late. I didn't know if you would be able to like be ready in like 20 minutes and like head out or whatever. I was at Thursday. I don't remember what I was doing Thursday night. I may have been or made. I don't know, but I'm probably gonna see it. Um, maybe even tomorrow. Yeah. It was like Thursday night at like 10 or 11. I was just like, fuck it. I'm going to go see this shit. But man,
01:40:24
Speaker
I think, uh, I think you'll enjoy the kills in that. Michael's coming through the bathroom. Maybe you shouldn't have drawn a pentagram on the door with a six, six, six, you know, it's a little on the nose. You shouldn't have done that. They just got to just asking Michael to come through. They just got to into the, you know, the festive mood.
01:40:54
Speaker
Oliver friends are dead. She's like fuck this happened to me twice all my friends are dead again He's always doing little displays to the way he had her the glass is hanging off off the one friend. Mm-hmm And like that other friends dead as fuck in that she died more than anyone has ever died. Yeah Covered in blood
01:41:16
Speaker
This looks great. This looks really cool. Is that Twin Peaks? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I think that is Twin Peaks. It feels like very, like something that would be in Twin Peaks, a shot like that. Well, not just a shot, but like it slowed down and like the way it was edited. I thought he died. No, it was another cop. It was a cop. He like had stationed outside. Oh yeah. Your daughter's like so dead, dude. I'm sorry.
01:41:48
Speaker
And he's bracket this bracket is like one of the few like besides Danny Trejo in the first movies like dead as fuck There's not like a lot of just like decent people in these movies, but Sheriff Brackett was alright like he seemed like an alright dude, so it really
01:42:07
Speaker
Oh, I do. I went effectively done like a scene like that where like the audio cuts out and it's just like you see someone screaming, but you don't hear it. Yeah, I love that when it's done right. That's what you're literally cutting to like this home video of her. That's.
01:42:26
Speaker
Rob zombie does a good job with the home video footage. That's something he brought over from the first movie. Yeah and Like in the first movie when we see that I've Question my question is it ends on the first and that's how it ends in the first movie and it's so cool And creepy, but I'm saying when we see that home Movie footage I'm asking where's bagool
01:42:47
Speaker
Watch is he is he is he lurking? He's always you know anytime. There's like creepy family, but you know videos going around baguels He's just like a good point and why did Ethan Hawke let him out to begin with those yeah? He shouldn't have done that yeah That and between that and starting the purge Ethan Hawke he's done some irresponsible stuff yeah Man
01:43:15
Speaker
I've also noticed that Ethan Hawke's in a lot of movies where children get murdered. Sinister, Blackphone. Yeah. Probably another one. You know, Michael, for how brutal and like,
01:43:29
Speaker
forceful and heavy like how heavily he like murders people he's very quick at least he doesn't like make people suffer he doesn't like almost get he doesn't seem to get like any kind of like sense of like satisfaction from the pain i would it's like he just wants them
01:43:51
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dead. He wants them lifeless. He wants to take the life out of them. I think mostly I agree with that point. He doesn't like just take it in and like enjoy, he enjoys it after he's done. Right, well because we have that moment when he sees his mom and she's like now you can have some fun and I'm like
01:44:09
Speaker
So what does that mean? Like, does that, like, this kill is the one that, like, he actually gets to, like, save her or something? And that was the girl, uh, his front, her friend? Yeah. That's sad. I miss that. I wish he didn't tell me. I'm sad now. I'm kidding.
01:44:28
Speaker
Because she did seem like it was a more prolonged because like she wasn't like actually immediately dead when you found her She was just like bleeding out from just being viciously attacked So like that one he did seem to like maybe because she got away. Yeah, I gotta fucking get you back
01:44:47
Speaker
He took it personally, he was like, you survived, I can't have that, that's disrespectful. That looks bad for my record, like, you should make him, my numbers, my stats. He was like, I don't kill you, people think I'm a bitch. Yeah, I can't have people thinking I'm a bitch. Look at that, damn, see, he was like, I don't kill you, this guy thinks I'm a bitch. I kill you, he goes through a window. She's like,
01:45:14
Speaker
Oh man, he's fucking huge. Flipping a car. I mean, that's why you get this guy to play him. Tip in a car. Oh my God. And the guy's body is still hanging up. That is great. He looks disappointed. Well, cause is she in the car? Did she fall out or of it? Like, where is she? I think she's still in the car. I thought it was going to tumble more. Yeah, she's still in.
01:45:43
Speaker
So he's disappointed from the lack of tumble. Yeah. But it is interesting too. Rob Zombie has kind of like made it clear. Like we're what Michael's a kid still in his head, you know, right. Either that, or is the kid a separate entity? Is this like the whole Trinity, the mother, the son, and the Holy Spirit, or is like this implied that like,
01:46:10
Speaker
Michael's a kid and so we're watching a kid basically do all this. We're seeing I think both are Valid interpretive
Symbolism and Supernatural Themes
01:46:20
Speaker
like I think there's enough to support both of those readings which Yeah, credit to Rob Zombie for giving you that to chew on like that. You can be like well is he Like he knows what he's doing to the extent of like
01:46:37
Speaker
He's, you know, in his mind, following these orders from his mom to do this, but like, is he actually comprehending it? Is he processing it with a child's mind? Because we keep seeing him as the child, so. Yeah, or is that kid also giving him orders? Right. I maybe lean towards those are different facets of him. The mom, like you said, like a Trinity. Yeah. Man.
01:47:08
Speaker
But I like that we can even have this discussion about a Rob Zombie Halloween sequel. That's right. I was excited to fucking watch this movie and have this conversation. And she's like fully having conversations with the mother now. So she's like she had already been having like saying repeat after me. She's been having these shared visions with Michael. But now this is like it's like this bleeding over until like
01:47:37
Speaker
Yeah, Kid Michael's holding her too right now, right? Yeah, it's like the dream reality. It's all... Kid Michael is holding her, making her watch. It's all been a... The mom and real Michael is just watching. He's watching.
01:47:53
Speaker
And they're making Laurie say, I love you mommy. And then she's saying, let me go. Michael's just observing. I do like the like half face exposed like mask. Like that's, it's a good look. Now I'm really like trying to pay attention to what is happening here and what's supposed to be the reality.
01:48:21
Speaker
Well, I think now the police are here. We're back in reality, but Mike, they're still, but we're still seeing them. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, I think there's an intentional blurring of the lines of reality to make you question of like, okay, so now we're back with the Loomis and we've got like 20 minutes left of the movie too. So they're going to be wrapping up soon.
01:48:48
Speaker
Yeah. So Loomis is watching on the news. Let's see what we see from the TV. If we get a view from in the barn of what they need is a thermal camera from the helicopter. It's like getting like, Oh, there's, there's four bodies in there. Mistro to let it shine. Kill Myers yourself. All right. So we're watching Loomis watch what's happening on TV.
01:49:14
Speaker
the police have them. So when Luma says, God, no, I see, you know, like he wants to rush there. But like, is that bore out of a this makes me look bad if Michael's still alive? I mean, if he has shit in his book, I mean, because they're saying like, I mean,
01:49:32
Speaker
They're revealing information that Laurie didn't know about herself and they're talking about it on the news now He's probably like fuck. Can I be like held responsible? Like I actually directly endangered this girl Yeah, like did I me revealing her identity like she was probably hell. Yeah, and yeah, I could just fucking clocked him like oh Michael was able to track her down because I revealed her identity in my book
01:49:59
Speaker
Yeah, see he like oh he probably revealed everybody's names in the book, and that's how like the sheriff's daughter would have shot him right now that would have been
01:50:10
Speaker
It's like people probably think like his book comes out, Michael comes back. Right, like how convenient timing right after your book that the murders start again. So he probably looks directly responsible. I mean, he clearly like put names and like revealed details that weren't as public. Yeah, he wasn't trying to protect anyone. And like, you know, it probably looks like, oh, this fucking psycho found where these people live after they escaped because they're not in the same neighborhood. They like moved.
01:50:39
Speaker
Right. After the events of the first movie. They look like they're living in a more southern part of Illinois because it's more country, you know? Yeah. This this is like obviously a more egotistical, overtly selfish version of Dr. Loomis, but this is kind of how the cops should be reacting to him in the other movies. Like, get the fuck out of here.
01:51:05
Speaker
Like who are you and your fucking trench coat walking into building so used to be his doctor 20 years ago Okay, great now leave like yeah get the fuck out of here like what have you done obviously a bad job? He's murdering people okay now. Let's see if Loomis acknowledges anyone else in the room He's just looking at Laurie and Michael. I don't think he's
01:51:26
Speaker
She needs to come with me. He hasn't acknowledged the little Michael. He hasn't announced the little Michael or the mom. She says she's holding me. Yeah, she can't see that. The woman says like, what the fuck are you talking about? There's no one holding you. You're a dumb woman. It's weird that he said that. You must be on your period. Yeah, they made them misogynistic for no reason. Yeah, it's really weird. It comes out of nowhere.
01:51:49
Speaker
That's Rob Zombie for you. Yeah, she's on the ground squirming. Even though he's not seeing her the way that the mom just looked at it, Loomis was very chilling. Her name's Deborah. That's a reveal. Why would Rob Zombie hold off on that up until now? It's weird to think of Michael's mother being named Deborah. Yeah. Or it's Deborah.
01:52:15
Speaker
Bob star what's the origin of that Deborah? He took it off He took the mask off. Yeah, he should take it off and be like remember me like furious Lumis just got stabbed now. We're seeing Michael Michael's getting lit up, but will that stop it? I don't know by the ops
01:52:44
Speaker
Damn, one of them's got a fucking sniper. Why does one get a sniper and the rest don't? They're all shooting from the same distance. Okay, without the hood on, it kind of does look like there's like a wound at the top of his head, you can see from some angles. You can't see it here, but there was one angle where it looked like, like, oh, was that where he got shot in the head?
01:53:04
Speaker
I do like how even though we're getting a lot of like supernatural shit, this really does humanize Michael. Well not just Michael, but the whole world. View it from the outside. This looks believable. Like if you're from the outside looking and this doesn't look like a supernatural thing, this just looks like a fucking maniac.
01:53:24
Speaker
It's not just coming after this girl after a book was released like so it plays as Completely normal to the outside nothing weird going on inside. There's this whole supernatural element that I nobody's seeing except for the audience and in the two two of the characters, but I think All the performances around it helps sell that to of like that. This is for them. This isn't
01:53:51
Speaker
You know, some su- Okay, so, which... She's grabbing Michael's knife. Michael's dead, presumably. That's such a big knife. She's got his big knife. You know, size doesn't matter, but in this case it does. Um, ladies. But, uh... She's going over to Loomis with the big knife. The police... What? Why? Why? And now they're shooting Laurie.
01:54:18
Speaker
I mean, she did look like she was going to stab Loomis, but also did those cops care enough about Loomis to shoot a a young white girl over that? You know, like, yeah, that's the opposite of what they usually do. You're supposed to shoot someone else to save a white woman. Like, that's not how like how long have these guys been cops? Yeah, they're bad at their job. Love scars, love wounds. They're playing love hurt.
01:54:49
Speaker
And there's the Trinity, Loomis, Laurie and fucking Michael dead as fuck. Is again, I'm not I really just really like that one moody blues song. But are these is this like a cover of one of the songs they were playing earlier? I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Let's see. It's Love Hurts.
01:55:22
Speaker
No. Ooh, this is unnervingly white. This is like... So is this actress. You haven't seen THX 1138, but that's kind of like when you see... He's unnervingly white. Michael killed all of the people of color in the last movie and at the beginning of this one. I was going through my memory of like, yeah, when's the last non-white person we saw? It's been... Octavia Spencer. Oh yeah, fuck.
01:55:54
Speaker
Uh, this doesn't strike me as a reality. Well, just cause this doesn't look like a place. She would be just a long hallway with a bed in it. So it reminds me of the prison in THX 11 38, except there's no walls. It's just a white void.
01:56:19
Speaker
Laurie is in what looks like a mental Institute, but like with no doors or what? Like it's like she can't leave. Just a white hallway with a chair and a nightstand. She's twisted. She has some cuts on her forehead. She sees him, her mom and her horse.
01:56:43
Speaker
So are they all together? Well, she's dead, right? We saw her get shot and then we see her here. So this is their afterlife. Michael's insane asylum. That would suck to. That's your eternity. Like she seems happy with it. I mean, she's with her family. I don't know. This movie is a prequel to smile also.
01:57:06
Speaker
So damn He dropped the written and directed by oh, we're getting photos of uh, everybody michaels killed Yeah, but with the like of the their death. Oh fuck. Yeah starting from the first movie. This is like an avengers endgame
01:57:27
Speaker
It was like, take a bow, we're just gonna show everyone. Oh, the Weinstein's produced this one? Damn, that's why there was rape in it. It was fucking slob. Rob Zombie didn't put the rape in these things. They told him. He was like, you have to do this. They did it. He was, Rob Zombie was against it, actually. He's like, I'm morally disgusted by the suggestion that I even depict that. Yeah, Rob Zombie was ahead of the curve on the whole Weinstein thing. He was speaking out about him before the allegations.
01:57:59
Speaker
This movie's wild. I'm gonna run to the bathroom real quick, but don't stop it. Just keep talking over these credits, because I... I wanna unpack that. So Doug is going to the bathroom. The Halloween theme is playing right now. Malcolm McDowell, Tyler, Maine. We're getting this cast right now. Sherry Moon Zombie. I was about to say, she was in a lot, but yeah, she's in all these visions. Brad Doreff.
01:58:27
Speaker
Daniel Harris. This is probably not entertaining for anyone. Yeah, fucking Halloween too. I don't know if anyone listening this is gonna check this shit out, but you guys definitely should. Shorty, if you're listening to this, I really hope you are. Shout out to you.
01:58:47
Speaker
Yeah, man. Rob Zombie. I kind of... I haven't seen the Munsters, so I was gonna say it. It would be cool to see him, like, work with another, like, property maybe, or work, like, with a bigger budget, but it seems like a lot of people don't like the Munsters, so... I mean, maybe that just wasn't the right thing for him, or maybe, in general, people just don't like the Munsters.
01:59:12
Speaker
A Rob Zombie film. Sorry, I said a Rob Zombie film because I'm reading the credits. The fucking Halloween score is great.
01:59:26
Speaker
but yeah i don't know if like people are i don't know if they really wanted to see the monsters i think that adam's family might be a bit more uh of what the public wanted so maybe it's just a little bit of that or maybe his monsters movie isn't that great i don't know if i'm ever gonna actually watch it though uh i kind of want to see the monsters just i'm more curious like i really liked
01:59:52
Speaker
as a kid I like this show and I am because like I heard it I don't even think it's rated R I'm like is this something I could there's that could be the one Rob Zombie movie I could show my parents so it was rated PG but there's that rape scene that's in the directors cut that makes oh yeah yeah yeah well I'll just show them the the the the PG cut then yeah man hopefully we don't have too many more movies with sexual assault that we have to talk about
02:00:23
Speaker
This one really didn't have any in it though. No, it was just the other version of the first movie that had, which I'm glad I didn't see that version. That sequence or movie did not really call for that. Those damn wine scenes just wanted it so bad too.
02:00:43
Speaker
So I think you were maybe correct at the top when you said this will be, I think this shot right to being number two. So number one. Did I say that on mic? I hope I did.
02:00:56
Speaker
Yeah, I think you did say that on a mic. So yeah, number one, carpenters Halloween. Number two, Rob Sumpy's Halloween 2. Nice. Three, Halloween ends. Four, Season of the Witch. And then five, like the first David Gordon Green Halloween, I guess, and then the rest. I don't really care enough about the rest of them. You don't like Halloween 2?
02:01:19
Speaker
I think it's I remember being alright like I don't I don't people either put that or the first one as their number one it seems so I feel like it just I don't know it's interesting not having it in like the top five
02:01:36
Speaker
I don't I have no idea what my ranking would be honestly I haven't watched any of the like I haven't watched for through before on I basically haven't seen except for resurrection
02:01:57
Speaker
And I watched one where Busta Rhymes kicks him out of it. That's resurrection. I watched that last year because I just wanted to just get just see just to remember it. I don't know. I don't know why I put it on. No, I get it. That's like that's almost like a cultural artifact of like because it's like
02:02:18
Speaker
One, it shows what they attempted to do with the franchise, but it's also a time capsule of a very specific moment of pop culture where all these things...
02:02:31
Speaker
It's like enjoyably bad not like oh my god This is it's like you just watch it, and you're like what the fuck am I they did this It's like you're I've seen it a bunch, and I'm fucking perplexed every time but as a kid when I would watch it
02:02:48
Speaker
It wasn't one where I was like, oh, the scary Halloween, but it also wasn't one where I'm like, oh, this fucking Halloween. It was one where I'm like, oh, this is the silly one. I was like, well aware that it wasn't liked. I, it's weird. A lot of the movies that were like bad franchise entries as a kid, it's like, I was aware that they were bad, but I was still able to like find an appreciation for them. You know what I mean?
02:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, no, I know what you mean. And that's how a Halloween resurrection was. Um, surprisingly, I've not seen H2O that much at all. I've maybe seen H2O one or two times. And that's like one of the most popular Halloweens. Is H2O like the one that's the return of Jamie Lee. It takes place right after Halloween too. They skip all the cult stuff and the other family members stuff.
02:03:44
Speaker
This is such a weird credit song. Like this sounds like something that'd be like in the credits for like a Ghostbusters movie or something. Not a very disturbing and dark Halloween entry. Was that a like a country Halloween song though?
02:04:03
Speaker
Yeah, I mean that's what it sounded
Soundtrack and Film Rankings
02:04:05
Speaker
like. I didn't like really pay attention man. This must be the most like Licensed music I think I've seen in credits before and I don't even honky-tonk Halloween. I bet you that's what we were just I think that's literally what we were listening to but I also don't remember all those songs that they just most of them I think are just playing in the background Rob's not
02:04:25
Speaker
All of the music, I think, is diegetic in these two movies. I don't think he had music playing that wasn't within the world of what we're watching, which is cool. I like when you can pull that off. I respect that, yeah. Because every time, if you think about it, every song has been like a
02:04:45
Speaker
Oh, that's what they're listening to right now. It was on the radio or on the TV. Yeah, so it's been something you got to kind of like point to and it usually kind of tell is also a song that's about what's happening in that moment of the movie. It's like about what's happening or it's like alluding to like thematically what is going on. Yeah, or it's like connecting you to another moment in the movie or yeah. Wait, this is fictitious? I thought...
02:05:12
Speaker
I thought that all happened. No, this was a documentary. Yeah. Well, they just said all of this was fictitious. No, that was factitious. Oh. Is that a real word? Maybe. It is now. Dimension Films. Shout out to Dimension Films. You know, I see them. I know I'm probably watching a Spy Kids movie. That's yeah.
02:05:40
Speaker
Man, so that was Halloween 2, unrated director's cut. That was a good movie. That was, how much would, how would you give it? Stars. How many stars?
02:05:51
Speaker
I think I'm probably where you're at four out of five sounds sounds pretty appropriate I kind of need some more time to chew on like the ending but I feel like I'm only gonna like that more the more I think about it's not it wasn't like an ending where I was like oh that that ruined the whole thing it just threw me off cuz I was like well I didn't even know where the movie was going so it's not like I was like that I
02:06:17
Speaker
Like upended my expectations. What about it threw you off her dying? her dying and that we From her point of view that like she's like like she's okay So this is only gonna also look at the tagline to that might reinforce The ending a little bit a little bit families forever Mm-hmm Yeah, well, so what else is forever? I
02:06:47
Speaker
death well yeah that's what I mean like that she's just gonna be in that room with her mom and a white horse forever but she seemed okay with that she was just like she was smiling so it was it almost to put this this will only this will sound like garbage to anyone who's not like
02:07:06
Speaker
verse in Twin Peaks terms this would be like you find out Laura Palmer's you know we know that like she's trapped in that red room or whatever but but it's like if you found out like oh no she's like into that she's glad that she's her soul will be tortured forever she's like actually like no I like it here that which is we're just such a like
02:07:29
Speaker
wildly bleak notion that I just yeah tipped my hat to Rob Zombie for doing that. So where do we think she had the change of heart? What do you think the moment was when Lewis came in? Yeah, because like all the the whole other time she's fighting that like she's like resisting
02:07:49
Speaker
You know, when she's having these visions and seeing the mom and young Michael, she doesn't want it. Like she does. She's like violently reacting to that. But it and it. And but then by the end, she's embracing it. Is the turn when they kill Michael? Does his evil enter her? I mean.
02:08:09
Speaker
and that's I mean Halloween ends gets into that the transference of of like that kind of another thing David Gordon Green stole from our beloved Rob Zombie that fucking thief yeah no wonder why he got fired from the Exorcist
02:08:30
Speaker
Can't even hack it up. Blum. I just I'm sure there's there's maybe more plot wise than we buy like how the the pitch for that extras believers like Okay, we all know how the exorcism is about a little girl gets possessed by a demon. What if? There were two girls James Cameron writing the the dollar sign s on the chalkboard instead. He's like exists
02:08:58
Speaker
Girls. Yeah. Where do we go with this? Fucking man, you should watch that. I won't watch it with you. I don't know if I can do a commentary. I'm morbidly curious enough to maybe check in. Maybe I can do a commentary for that if you wanted to watch it that way. It might be two hours. That sounds too long for that.
02:09:25
Speaker
I like how the genres listed this as horror and other. I wonder what the other is. Twin Peaks. Yeah, I was gonna say, the other genre is David Lynch. I'm gonna tell Jeff to watch this and tell him to listen to this episode, because he's a big Twin Peakser. Twin Peaks head. Twin Peakser? Like, yeah, what? Peak heads? Yeah, peak heads. I like that. Very Lynch fan. I don't know.
02:09:52
Speaker
Well, and they're not always over, because I know some people who love love Twin Peaks, but like they're not, like if you showed them another, like a David Lynch movie like Mahalan Drive, they'd be like, I don't know about that. So it doesn't always overlap of being the same thing. I like the short film where he hangs out with a monkey. Oh, he's like interrogating a monkey right now. Yeah. That's interesting. Netflix. Yeah, that's a 10 out of 10 masterpiece.
02:10:21
Speaker
I don't know, I like that he just does stuff, even if I'm not like, yes, I fully agree with the artistic vision there.
02:10:31
Speaker
But shit, man. You want to call the commentary here? We're at about two and a half hours. We're over two and a half hours a little bit. So you want to call it? I think that's that's good to call it. I mean, I I don't really have much else to say this. I'm probably going to rewatch this. This will be like, like I said, Halloween's not like my go to franchise. I'll rewatch the original. I've rewatched
02:10:57
Speaker
seasons of which I want to rewatch end but like this I'll probably come back to this even as nasty and kind of depressing as it is that like I don't know there's a there's a lot to chew on there so um yeah I'm glad I watched it because that's it's gonna stick with me I'm I'm probably gonna go home and like pull up screen grabs of specific moments like because there's just shots in it that are like
02:11:23
Speaker
like jeez like even if you're not like on board with what the movie's doing like tonally like it just looks nuts like it I especially for like a big franchise movie to like
02:11:37
Speaker
to just go in that kind of direction visually, I think is really cool. And that's, that's basically what I've been advocating for this whole, for not just Halloween, but like any friend, like just like, just go, just fucking go for it, man. Like I'm, I feel about,
02:11:55
Speaker
big creative swings the way I do Joaquin Phoenix's character and signs, you know, like when they make fun of him, but like he has this awful batting record or whatever, and then he has some line of like, it felt wrong, not the swing. It's like, and that's, yeah, if you're like a filmmaker who gets the chance to step up to a plate, especially at this level for like a bigger franchise, it's like,
02:12:17
Speaker
You should take a big swing. Why would you play it safe if you have the choice not to? Like, why would you... Yeah, just like, just start throwing some shit in there and see what happens, man. Yeah, pull a Last Jedi or a Rob Zombie's Halloween too. They're basically the same movie. Mm-hmm, they are.
02:12:37
Speaker
Man, I'm glad we did this though. Um, should we talk about, or should we say what we're gonna do next, like commentary wise, or should we maybe not announce that and just- I feel like we alluded to it in the last one, didn't we? I feel like we've said it on mic. So are we gonna make it official?
02:12:53
Speaker
Yeah, we're doing the blades. We're gonna do all the blades. Yeah, we're... You wanna do all three? I definitely wanna do Trinity. Well, I... Yeah, I wanna watch the good ones before Trinity, too, so yeah, let's do all three. I mean, maybe I'll... Like, even... That'll probably still remain my least favorite, I assume, of the trilogy, but I don't know, I'm probably gonna come away with, like... I'll, like, double down on the fan... I'll be like, you know what? There's some stuff there. Almost like you could say.
02:13:21
Speaker
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02:13:42
Speaker
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02:13:59
Speaker
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02:14:29
Speaker
You should do a horror movie. I don't I don't know that if it would be it should probably be its own franchise. I know you like to put your own stamp on things. So like you should just or you could just do, you know, like Mission Impossible was an older TV series from decades ago. Just like look through the list of like older things that no one's thought about in a while. Pick out of a hat and be like, let's do that as a horror movie or, you know,
02:14:56
Speaker
Remake Halloween. Let's see what you got you and Macquarie Let's let's see what you guys know what Tom directs and stars in it I feel like he could he seems like he knows so much about movies like I feel and you hear behind the scenes things about like his Creative instincts that he'll like lend to produce I mean cuz he's like producer He's been a producer on the mission possible movies from the beginning and they'll be like you'll hear stories like little things of like him
02:15:25
Speaker
Was it Fallout or Rogue Nation? One of the the recent one where he like gave like a note to basically the guy doing the score of like he basically came up with some solve of like test screenings where like audiences were kind of having a mixed reaction to the ending and he basically fixed it without like they didn't have to reshoot anything he basically just
02:15:53
Speaker
told the composer to like build the tension and like to keep building it instead of like I think it was like more more of like a static like it was at the same level like into of intensity the whole time for for like the end stretch or something I might be getting this completely wrong but I think it was like something like that and he was like no like what if we just keep building and building until it ends and now as I'm talking about that that I'm like that sounds like fallout because like that's how that movie is structures that keeps building and building
02:16:23
Speaker
Yeah. So I think that might have been what that was. And I'm like, so, yeah, the fact that he had, you know, like he knows enough about filmmaking to be like, no, actually, yeah, this is we can solve this in a in a more straightforward way than like shooting a new ending, which like, yeah, that would have been bad if they shot a different ending than the one they hadn't followed because that ending rules. So, you know, he he could direct a good movie. He should direct Halloween. That'd be cool.
Tom Cruise in Horror Speculation
02:16:51
Speaker
Well Tom Cruise if anyone can save Halloween, it's you. Oh, and if you don't want to do Halloween I don't know if he's still sitting on the I mean, I don't know how that shit works We buy the rights to something if it reverts back But I know he bought the rights to do like an English remake of time crimes I mean, it's not it's not like a horror movie like Halloween is but there's like it's a thriller and it is
02:17:14
Speaker
It's a horror. It's the horrors of time travel. It's situational. And it's got some very freaky surreal imagery.
02:17:29
Speaker
the more I think about that story of like the more the more I become a Tom Cruise fan, I think back on because I really love that movie Time Crimes. I'm like, I actually would have been really intrigued to see what he would have done in a read because I presume he would have been the lead in it. And like, that's a very interesting role that just to see him do something like that would be cool. He should still do that. Like I would watch that.
02:17:52
Speaker
Maybe that's what he's doing with the Revenant guy. Yeah, they're doing something I'm pretty sure after Mission Impossible. It's actually better to do as an older guy because like the guy in the original Spanish time crimes, he's kind of just like a slubby like wife guy husband. Like I feel like
02:18:12
Speaker
I mean, he's still going to look like Tom Cruise because he's Tom Cruise, no matter what age he is. But I feel like him having a more weathered face and, you know, like in the later Mission Impossible, he looks more haunted. Like I think that would be to his benefit and something like that. Like, yeah, it's like almost maybe that was the plan. You just bought the rights early and it's like, I'm going to sit on this. Oh, yeah. I'm going to wait till my face is ready to play a big older loser.
02:18:37
Speaker
Well, Tom Cruise, we believe in you, and, you know, if anyone can do it, whatever it is, it's you. Yeah. Well... Goodnight, Tom. This has been These Guys Got Juice.