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The Joys of Queer Niggadom
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Ty, Bria and Shelly talks all thing queer and niggarus with Black Infinity Collective's Ashely.
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Transcript
God's Promise and Humor
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God gave Noah the rainbow sign. No more water, but the pussy next time.
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Every time. I tried to stop the recording. Yeah, I think we should. And I also think that people like inviting themselves into the joy. Whatever happened makes them go. What is?
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But that's every episode, honey. That's every episode. We have consistency. We like that. We know what's going on. Do we? They want in on the inside. That's the right consistent joy. Oh my gosh. All right. I'm going to pay that. Anyway, we're here. We're back. We're here. Let's see what you did there. Like three?
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Bitch, there's shit going on. We're back. Welcome to the pussy next time.
Introducing Ashley: A Close Friend and Guest
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We have a very special guest today. Would you like me to do introductions? Would you like to do your own introduction? Actually, what is it giving for you? If you don't introduce me on your show, wait. The niggas like, OK, everyone's got behavior. Got it.
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So Ashley is a very close friend of mine. We have been friends since, like, 2018. Shout out to camp. We made it. Shout out to pre-pandemic relationships. Ooh, please don't. I don't have it. Ashley is also the Deputy Director of Black Infinity Collective, a job that I also work at. We love them very much. Shout out to the work.
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And so we decided that for Pride Month, because everybody over here is Black and gay and shit.
Exploring Black and Queer Joy with Ashley
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Everybody on staff is Black and gay and shit. We figured that we would have an episode, a podcast episode, where we talked about the joys of being a Black queer. And I thought, who better to do this than Ashley?
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who is also a dope organizer, a very spiritual, grounded woman who I absolutely adore. Let's welcome Ashley. Let's clap it up. Let's do the dance.
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Also, I saw your face, and I don't know why you made that face. Yes. I was thinking everybody clap your hands, and that's why I was skipping. I also saw your face. Actually, I did not appreciate that look that you just gave me, maybe 35 seconds ago. And I don't know what to tell you about that. And I felt approximate 35 seconds. Run the tape back.
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I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love you for that. I love
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I will take you all the time. You surveilled.
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Nobody said that at all. Literally no. Am I the drama this season? Am I the villain? You just want an excuse? Let me say this, Ty, you know I love you. I think so. You are a very sweet person. I think so. And I make faces when you say sweet stuff because I'm like, hold on, you think for real? You feel so weird about me? Oh my
Communication Nuances Among Friends
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god. I love that.
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This is great. Come on, other side. You better be vulnerable. Look at vulnerability. Wow. Yes. That sounds like me doing this thing. Across the board.
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No, I think this is not about me. This podcast is definitely about me. But I think that it's not as an aside. As an aside, it's not about me. It's kind of about me. OK, it's giving too much neck, honey. Too much neck. Like, it's not what it is. Is it what you want to eat, or is it what might? I do. What I would say is that typically, I think a lot of people
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feel like I'm not as expressive. Well, I'm not as expressive. So people don't think I care about them. I'm like, I call happy on niggas a regular basis. We're FaceTiming. We're talking. We're Kiki. Like, what would make you think I don't like you or I don't appreciate? That's your fault, Shelly. No, it's not. We've gone over this. We've gone over this. But it's not. I'm not engaging. That is not.
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I feel like everybody on this call, I have a very smart voice, so I feel like that should tell you that two people that I really fuck with and the other person I fuck with are all on the same podcast together. But I mean, I guess you all see me. Y'all don't understand me. Are you right? Happy gay people do shit moms.
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People be gay. People be gay. And not doing that boring ass heterosexual shit. I have questions about heterosexuals. Like, are y'all happy? Are y'all happy? I think it's been the rest of my life. Are y'all hydrated? For the people showing up at our events.
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And they keep arguing why they have to pay for or why there's that space for them. Can we talk about that? Can we talk about it really quick?
A Straight Couple's Argument: A Humorous Tale
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I was at a bar last night. Oh my god. I'm in Atlanta, y'all, by the way. I moved to Atlanta. I was in the bar, ma'am. Not even close. Not even close. I moved to Atlanta. Why did I see two straight couples?
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And one of them was in the corner of the bar arguing. And I was like, no one even invited you here. Why are you doing?
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Public. First of all, it was pure, pure comedy. Jacob was arguing in public. Because they came from the back of the club, some other area. They were going back and forth. There was a cocktail that was dropped. There was a cocktail that was dropped. I was like, oh, the last drop. Drop or thrown?
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Just go home. Momma was upset. Momma was mad and dropped her cocktail. Homeboy was like, I don't give a fuck. It was like, I was like, the heterosexual. This, the house sections are not doing it. They're not. I was like, you could have argued outside in the parking lot. You could have argued in like, to the side. You could have also left that kid in her last fucking home. You really could have brought your gay ass to the club. Right.
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Watch your gay answer to the clip. Why are you being fake straight? Right. Why is your boyfriend with you? Not the bodyguard. And he's not close to her, uncomfortable. I was like, you don't belong. Oh my god. Right. Yeah. OK. Get out of here. Please stay away. All right. So the topic for today is a topic that I chose personally. Oh, the episode is about me. I lied. The topic I chose personally. Please get your friends.
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I'm all it was today. Stop. And it's about the joys of being a black queer. I feel like a lot of things were happening when I told the topic. I just was feeling like all I have seen is white heterosexuals and like black gay couples. And I was like, I need more black queer shit.
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Black gay cis men couples to be specific. And I was like, I need something else. So to jump into the topic, my first question is, what are some of the things you love about being a Black queer?
Celebrating Black Queer Life: Music and Community
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The playlist, the music, the joy of it all is the community, food, lots of free things, a lot of resourceful things.
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and it's giving transparent conversations, vulnerability. The joys of it are also just how we're able to hold each other down and have joys and laughter on the heterosexual shit that we can't relate to. It's very entertaining to people watch, like what you were saying. And...
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That's what I have. Maybe that's what I have for now. I just got excited to say the playlist because I saw something that said that queers have the best playlist and I was like, they do. That is very accurate. Black queers do have the best music. My cousin though, who is
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I would really call her a straight ally, so I'll be in there. Let me go real quick on that. But she was the person that supported me the most because I was outed when I was a teenager. So you can imagine what self-advocacy was. At 15, being a church girl, both my parents, heavy in the church on both sides. But my sister, cousin, as I love them, we call her. Took me to my first product, 16.
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Um, has been my straight ally since the game actually turned out to be a social worker. I always say I was her first patient, right? Like, because she was able to understand and able to speak to other young folks about their queerness because she had a little touch on that was queer, right? Um, but I say that to say she also told me that queer people have a different ear than straight people.
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and squad street people and queer people always don't mix on the music, but until it come popular, i.e. the person we ain't talking about with that by my side. That sound like a dirty club.
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Right. And then go to the question. Throw it out. Throw it out. Drag her! Her wig! Robin, Taylor, Taylor. Oh, you think it's a celebrity? For real,
Historical and Community Reflections in Black Queer Culture
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that joint is so work. The joys of being a Black queer, community is everything, right? And I say this as a person who's been harmed by community and also so very loved and cared for by community.
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And all the queer history that I can think about, it was always community that was there, right? Sylvia Rivera, excuse me, Lord Jesus, Sylvia Rivera, right, had a space because Marsha P. Johnson's like, sis, throw that bit, Brooke, I got you, right? And what happens when we go at it together, opposed to when we do this individualism prep? And I think Black queerness invites a lot more community into spaces.
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than other places. So that's the joy of being a Black queer, like community is everything. I can always find my folks. It's cool being the family's weird one, right? Like... I'm like, it's two of us here. I am that one.
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I got time. I got space. I don't got no kids. So the joys of that as well.
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the perspective of that community. Again, being raised in the Black church on both my paternal and maternal side. Being part of the queer community also gave me a different perspective outside of my family. And I'm able to see and hear the world in different ways that will support my family and also challenge them in some ways that I think is helpful. So yeah, that's what I got for right now.
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It's cute out here being queer and black. It really is. It really is. It's a fun time. They be trying us. They be trying us. All the time. They're haters, haters. Every day. Quinta said it, people be gay. People still be gay. People still be gay. We've been trying to kill us for a long time. People being gay. I will continue to be gay.
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I recommend this article all the time. I don't want to mispronounce this person's name. I feel like it's Omashaki Tinsley. Don't drag me, but it's the article
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called Black Atlantic Queer Atlantic. And I think I'm talking about this article with two of the three people on this call right now. And it's an article about, it's an article that queers the middle passage, right? And I don't think people realize that there were, like, it's a, and it's a tough read, not because of the materialist dents, but I think what's coming, what it's coming from is it's like queer folks were here having sex for survival on beaches, but were also having sex with folks
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all the folks on the ships because they wanted to, right? And I think that's a very complicated thing to think about. When you think about enslaved folks taking from their homes and being brought to another country and still having these urges that needs to be met, but also still having this idea of community and queerness that spares all these generations.
Queer History and Cultural Influence
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Yeah. I always recommend the article, though, that I think is very well done. And it kind of puts it in the perspective that we've been here.
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So yeah, read that shit. Oh, I say that. No, I say that, but I'm also saying it as a person. No, but I'm also saying it as a person who has access to JSTOR. So let me take that back. If you cannot find it, I am willing to post it because I downloaded it to my laptop three, four, five years ago and I've done it ever since. I will put that shit somewhere. In my inbox. I believe it.
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Your email? Yes. I can do that. Okay, thank you. Braden asked a question. We love that. We love to see it. Because I didn't... I was making sure everybody had the space to talk. But yeah, I think like similar to what other folks have said, I love, you know, Black queer folks being able to form
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our own family and kind of just being able to choose those spaces and like creating what those spaces and community means for us and not adhering to, especially here in the west of the American idealized, you know,
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like form of what a family should be. I really appreciate that like black queer folks get to get to choose and like make those decisions for ourselves. I also, yeah, I feel like, I feel like it was something else that I was gonna say. And I lost it. But yeah, I think just like similar to what folks have already said, I love that we
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show up for ourselves in a lot of ways because we know that other people, you know, many a time are not going to show up for us and that there isn't, you know, a separation despite, you know, what others would say. There's not a separation between Blackness and queerness and that we are showing up for ourselves at all times and like both of those spaces, even when, you know, our
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Black cis hat counterparts or, you know, white, you know, gays do not show up. So yeah, I love that we are, you know, taking care of ourselves. Yeah, you know, somebody said to me, queer people just want more rights than everybody else. And I, it's like all of you, to like, not roar and like,
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You know, leap over the table. Do you know all that has been taken away from this community? Okay, because we make this world go round, right? Right. Give you everything that you love, your hair, everything, your color, everything culture, your language, what you put in your belly?
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how your body moves, all of it, the flow. What is this? And hips and body. Body? Legs and hips and body. Fashion.
Fashion and Cultural Appropriation
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And the girl, I feel like the girl, I love to talk about how like these corporate folks, these more like prominent, you know, you're more prominent fashion designer, fashion houses or whatever, set the trends. But I really feel like they also will come through and take from black folks. All the time.
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Black queer folks also. They put Chinese slippers in what? Balenciaga? That's when it was like very blatant. Why would beauty supply store Chinese slippers for a dollar? For a dollar? $1,000. Did y'all see these Balenciaga dirty sneakers? Sorry. I don't even want to do that. I don't even. Just erase their brand. Erase their name. Cut it out.
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I didn't see that. Yeah, I want more rights, bitch. I want all the rights, bitch. I want all the rights, bitch. I mean, because 70 years ago, y'all was locking me up. And still doing it now. OK, and y'all journals and y'all hold my love and loathing for the Academy, right? And y'all hold journals. Y'all the same. This was a whole condition, right? Right. People needs to be shocked back into life. A mental health condition.
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Right, going to camps, putting them into actual camps for all of them. And I feel like the, what is it called with DS? Right, it's illegal, allegedly, supposedly. Allegedly, yeah. But I feel like that day that's happening. And that's still happening, just like teen, LGBTQ plus plus folks can't say that they're getting in school or something like that or something. Oh, that's Florida, we don't. Just let the, why hasn't the state fallen into the ocean? I'm like literally like,
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What? Live away. Florida and Texas. There are some people that I love in both those states. OK, they ain't going to die. The politics in those states are trash. They ain't going to die, but the state needs to go. Both say he just fallen to the ocean. Thanks for your services. No thanks. At all. Miami is cute.
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I refuse to go to Miami. I refuse to go to Miami. I refuse to go to Miami. I'm not going to Miami. I'm sorry. I'm not that girl. And she does not seem like that girl. It's giving thin white people on the beach. It's giving thin, you know, let's get folk on the beach. I won't see no fat, dark-skinned niggas. I won't see no fat, dark-skinned queer niggas. And if I don't see myself, I'm not going. So I'm not going to Miami.
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So we looked at funny with my highwaisted, my highwaisted baby suit and my crop top. And they're like, you look too close. You look too happy, you're a fat body for me. Fuck y'all. I ain't going to Miami. That's rude. I think this kind of gets into the next question, which is like. You didn't answer the question. Oh. Are you going to answer the question? Because where did we get next question from? Wow. This a moderated conversation?
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Oh! I mean, nah. Wow. Okay. My wig! And not also a panelist. Wow. I think one of my favorite things about being a Black queer is how we build community. I actually did say like community in general, which yes, very that. But I think it's how we build it. I think that
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the straights be struggling. I often look at insecure when I think about
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everyone's fave, Lawrence, and his friends, his friend group, and how terrible each and everyone of those niggas were. And I'm like, oh, each of his friends weren't great either to me. We love Kelly, but it wasn't. And I think about the juxtaposition to my friend group, right, where it was curated, hand-picked, and everyone, typically for the most part, has their shit together or has the range. And if they don't have the range, they're getting the range every fucking day.
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Well, um, I also think that like community, at least in my statements, in my personal experience, community has also been like something that is both off of like safety and off of like a genuine love for each other. So I feel like when I'm, when I.
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move to a new state or when I'm going through it, I've had the same group of friends for some of these folks for years. And so there's a lot of care given to where I'm at, what I need, how I'm living, right? There's a lot of care given to my safety that, OK, well, put your location so I know where you are. So if something happens because you're by yourself, people know where to look for you at. Or if something happens and we can't call you because there's a location to figure out where you are.
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Those kinds of things, right? I think we build community differently and it's meant to be a safe space, but it's also meant to be safe tea. And that is what I love about being a Black queer. All right. It's the act that you're vulnerability. You're like, whoa, that's a lot of vulnerability.
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Whoo! We're silent. Hey, don't sound exasperated. Great, answering the question you came up with. He's like, tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes. Well, you will. So here we are. OK, how does our culture feel different from the mainstream? It's not white. Very cut.
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I think that people, since we're already bringing juxtapositions to what I was going to bring up in Girl, I guess, I will use some things as an example, right? You think about the fact that Black queer people literally created house, right?
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And you think about how when, just as we were saying, when it comes to clothes, food, music trends, whatever the case may be, the mainstream may try to steal and copy or produce a more watered down version of the things that we make.
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you know, the original source is always going to feel more authentic. And it's always going to, you know, it has the created intentions because like, you know, listening to House, that was created as, you know, a means. I just want to say shout out to Freddie Loeffel who created House music to put that there. And the underground, the fact that underground was not intentional, underground was for survival.
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This is the only place that helps me out, so shout out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you think about ballroom, you think about all of these things for a means of being seen, as opposed to when the mainstream takes from these things, it's just like popping onto a trend of like, because of like,
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You know, I heard, yeah, capitalism. I also like in analyzing the musical trends that are happening right now.
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have seen people bring up that like these trends in music come up a lot with like more upbeat sounds happening as a result of like, you know, what's going on in the world being when we in times of like economic recession or whatever that these like more upbeat sounds become more popular as people like, you know, the people in the mainstream want to dance away from capitalism and whatever.
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But I feel like, like Shelly said, it's always been a means of survival, our culture, a means of survival and like seeing ourselves. So I feel like that's what makes it feel. I think what makes it... Oh, no, no, no. Go ahead. No, I'm just gonna say the survival and like, despite, it really gets back to my Quanta Francen quote, like, people be gay.
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Despite all that you try to do, like we are still going to create community. We're still going to love each other. And we're going to be fly while we're
The Enduring Brilliance of Queerness
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doing it. And we're going to do it so fly and be so swaggy with it. You are going to want to do it too.
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And I think that is the brilliance of queerness, that it just reverberates, like, through generations. Like, we cannot help ourselves, right? Like, it's so funny. And I love to see it. I love to be part of it. I love to experience. It's like, despite of whatever you throw at us, we still want to be here and we still want to shine. And I love that about Black queer culture. Can y'all imagine a heterosexual version of yourselves? No.
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I tried. I tried. Mind you, I tried. I came out at 12, so I knew. Well, first I came out at 9. My mom was like, it's too early. Let's try again. And I was like, I was like, oh.
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It's the right thing. Hold on, give me a minute. I'm not sure Mama D said it. I came out, and actually I came out like 9, 10 first. And I remember I was in fourth grade, and we didn't get that one for computers yet. So I feel like you could Google porn and stuff like that. So I had Google when it made me gay, because kids were calling me gay before I knew what gay was. And I was like, what the fuck is gay? So I Googled it, and it was like, oh, yeah.
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I mean, I'm glad. Let me Google it. I'll laugh. I'll laugh, but imagine a full-rate meme. That's tea. That's tea. That's tea. That's actually accurate. So we were sketching things, and imagine me with the other way in the open, typing in gay, and looking at it like, no, but realizing that that's the truth, and I'm sitting at this computer, and I'm like,
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trying to, like, sneak in types in the classroom. I keep from, like, around me, like, hee hee hee, like... I'm, like... Having a revelation about yourself?
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People were calling me gay at a very young age because I also was fitting into what they thought gayness was because I was somebody's whole time boy, whatever that was, playing basketball, living my life, and they were like, you're gay. And I'm like,
00:28:09
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What does that mean? I don't know what's going on. So when I said I tried, it was hilarious because everything straight that I dated all asked me. They were like, do you like girls?
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You gay? And I would tell them every time, I really do like them more than y'all. I don't know why I'm here, but I entertain. But the thing was, you know straight niggas, they're fetishizing it. They're like, ooh, can we show? And I'm like, no. You know what? I don't know why. No. And also, don't ask why I'm still here, entertaining y'all in this moment. I think it's fun. I think it's cute. But I want it. Longevity? No, I don't see it right now.
00:28:53
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I tried, I even tried like, I tried like deep in my voice what time, how am I making my voice sounds different if it's deeper, but like, but I literally, physically do not know how to do that. I'm ready. Oh my God. Look at the, look at the studio. Where would you see Trey? I tried this, bitch. Not even a top girl, not a back top, it's in there. It's in there! Oh my God!
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It is. It definitely is. I cheated the right thing. For no way. I even tried to deep in my voice. And I was like, OK, I don't understand how to physically make my voice deeper. I'm a lady. This is where I'm like, hey. I don't know how to deep my voice. I don't know how to walk the way that the heteros walk. I was like, what are we talking about, sports and pussy? I'm so confused. I don't know what they do. I'm like, what do they eat? What do they eat?
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What the fuck is that?
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I feel like the most special have a palette of like chicken chips, french fries, and like Sprite. I'm convinced.
00:30:12
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You're not a mom for some folks. OK, I'm not saying that because I know people who died to death. I'm like, you're not, bro. What's up? What's up? I'm at home making these little pastas and chicken salad. These little pastas. I'm over here making like, what's up? I just want all the ingredients to make my grandma's lasagna.
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The heteros, and you want to know why? Yo, matter of fact, let's get into
Food Preferences: Queer vs. Straight
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it real quick. I cooked Christmas dinner, Christmas breakfast, some years ago. I made a, um...
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a breakfast casserole. It had peppers, and onions, and chorizo sausage, and it was delicious. My mother, love you mom, a heterosexual, was like, it's good, but there's not enough meat in it for me. And I was like, mommy, it's meant to be in Dallas, crazy with all the flavor. She was like, that's nice, but I just prefer more chorizo. There's so much everything else. And I thought, this is why you niggas,
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or I'm eating chicken strips and fucking hamburgers the first time because you don't know. You don't know quality and taste. And I hate that for y'all. I will say it wasn't vegetarian vegan food wasn't ham for nothing until the black vegetarians and vegans came on arrival. I just want to name that. So grateful for curry sauce being on the vegetables. I'm like, where was it before? Did y'all not understand you could put jerk sauce on them? That's hilarious. Everything. If you weren't.
00:31:52
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Yes. I will say, when I, when, when, um, one of Shelly's things... I had the vegan lasagna. Well, I didn't have vegan lasagna yesterday. Like Ross to just like, oh, it was a blessing. All right, y'all. I'm sorry.
00:32:13
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I'm currently visiting a family in little Carolina, so you know I'm not. That's how you got that China cabinet. I was looking at it and I was like, I was like, how do you?
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I thought it was your own, and I was like, I love this for you, that you already have a collection. This looks like a family package. I know. This is what you like with my little baby in the next two years. I love it. This looks like somebody grandma. I love it. I want myself back. How long are you in Carolina?
00:32:44
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Um, until the weekend, my, okay. Is this for the podcast? I do too. Like is this for the podcast? So my cousins opening up a bigger shop.
00:32:58
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Down here in Atlanta, my cousin and her mom and her two sisters work in the shop together. My cousin owns it. So they opened up a new shop, a bigger shop. So we down here to come and see it and hear them while they talk. The hours away from me. I love those. OK, are you talking about this? You said what? You coming here? Actually. OK, connection. I mean, don't pick me up on the way. It's in my life.
00:33:31
Speaker
Why do you have to do this accurate logic sign thing? You could have just said yes. Free, allow it to roam. You could have just played along with it. Go in, you already know. I don't understand how we're the same signers. Sometimes you'd be signing in ways I don't be signing.
00:33:58
Speaker
Let me answer this little question of yours. Don't, don't Lord Jesus me. Mine is a cute time. Calm down. Boo. All right.
Effortless Black Queerness vs. Mainstream Culture
00:34:09
Speaker
So I'm going to answer the question, um, to move back around a lot of energy. What is the difference of black queerness and mainstream things?
00:34:20
Speaker
Um, I would say the experience that I have that is the difference is the flow. I feel like, um, the ideas around mainstream are very like, how can I graph something in a moment? And it's very temporary moment. Um, and just always trying to do things while black queerness, um, which like Ash, I heard you say a little bit earlier, it was like, just feeling very effortless. It's just like, here I am. This is how I exist.
00:34:49
Speaker
And you also just don't have to remind folks that you're queer. You just show up just being it. And mainstream, it feels like it's constantly reminding people like, here I am again. And I'm like, but why? Like you actually don't have to do that at all. Hence the folks that breathe, that you were talking about. All the folks that don't know what they're doing with the music that they're creating because they want it to be mainstream.
00:35:18
Speaker
They're not the original. So I feel like it's so effortless with Black queerness. That's it. And to those of you who keep showing up to the events and not naming yourself as queer, we know why you here. Not the Auntie Liv. I'll wait. Yo, that Auntie Liv get them every time. I'm telling you.
00:35:46
Speaker
Yeah. It reminds me a lot of the things on mainstream TV right now. Like I think about legendary. I think about polls, right? And I just, I was talking to some baby, I call them baby queers. They definitely are probably taller than I thought. Everybody taller than me. But the baby queers, I was talking to the baby queers. Like, yeah, like I grew up in North. I'm 15 minutes away from the city where we at?
00:36:13
Speaker
I look like our fame, one of our fames, just the Wi-Fi wasn't getting with the Wi-Fi. Buy a break. Buy a break. They can't get something. There you go. See? See ain't your back. We got love in here.
00:36:32
Speaker
Yeah, so I was telling the queer babies, like, yeah, my little, you know, heyday, oh my God, such an old person, my heyday, right? I used to take the path train to Christopher Street, used to get out, we used to go to walk to the pier, you know, we used to stay there all night, because we only could afford one bottle between five of us, and you used to read poetry.
00:36:59
Speaker
butch queens like vogue and like just be in that area where now you can't do that anymore at the pier it's all closed up in fences and the way they have it set up and delegated it's just not the same um and it's because of capitalism again like they did so much rebuilding in that area um i think about legendary right and we on season three it's cute or whatever
00:37:27
Speaker
But the skill, the skill, the choreography is given like it's been capitalized by capitalism. We only qualify a judge on that. We only, the only qualified judge on that panel is Naomi. Naomi and Deshaun is the only, I'm sorry, I love LaRouche.
00:37:52
Speaker
No, no, you can love Miss Mama's, but Miss Mama gives me fashion all the time. As I said, for fashion, yes. For fashion, and I think that is a huge part of the ball scene, and I think that Law should be there in that regard. Oh no, I don't think Law shouldn't be there, but I mean for choreo, the only commentary that I like for it. I feel like Law shouldn't be there.
00:38:16
Speaker
And I stand by what I said. Because he's not a part of the culture. I had this conversation a while ago with somebody else. I was like, everybody does not need access to ballroom. I feel like everybody is not entitled. Even if you are black and queer, some of us are not a part of that space. For example, I am not a ballroom girl.
00:38:37
Speaker
I ain't got no stake in it. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't grow up in that space. I didn't, I didn't act in that space. I can vote a little bit, but like, I wasn't going to balls. I want to do it. None of that, right? I am not, I am not the person that, I am not the person, I am not somebody who can give critique about the actual performance, the fashion, the strategy, none of that stuff. I'm not, right?
00:39:08
Speaker
I don't feel like the law roach has the range either like yes or fashionable, but the rest of the pieces that go with that, the performances, all of the, like the understand like what, like what the things mean. Like you don't have the range.
00:39:23
Speaker
I don't know, Laura Rose, personally. I don't know where they grew up or how they grew up, right? They not in ballroom scene. But I mean, I would not say that ball is not for me. Like, the ballroom scene is not for me. Like, being somebody who grew up watching Negroes, like, pop and bounce. Niggas popping and bounce on concrete in 2 o'clock in the morning and getting them on. I love everything about it. I love the fashion. I love the innovation. I love the creativity.
00:39:51
Speaker
I love the calling, the announcer, like, come on, give me a rhyme on the mic while somebody's moving, like, give it to me, give it to me. You know, like, I love that. I live for that. And I think it's a huge part of my community. No, it's not vibrant in, you know, Connecticut. But part of me growing up as a baby queer, like, it was a huge part of my life.
00:40:19
Speaker
Yeah, so I get what you're saying, but I like leverage and I stand by it. I think they're good fit for the show. They give a little something with a messiness. I love it. I guess. They problematic, I know, and also problematic is the understatement. He nasty, but go off. But go off.
00:40:50
Speaker
You didn't answer the question. I didn't answer the question? Did you? I don't think so. I don't think so. How does our culture feel different from the mainstream? It feels... real, right? It feels...
00:41:17
Speaker
I feel like, so like, I'm not gonna hold you. These movies that have been coming out, I don't know if y'all watch the Christmas movie with Bella. Sorry, Kristen Stewart. I'm like, with Bella.
00:41:36
Speaker
When Kristen Stewart, um, it's a, it's a, it's a movie about her girlfriend being like gay and taking her like to our parents' house for the holidays and like not being out. And like this poor girl is traumatized the entire time. Kristen Stewart's character gets traumatized the entire time. I'm like, that's not, there you go. There you go. But I also was like.
00:42:02
Speaker
I feel like with our, it felt very like forced this narrative that I feel like I'm really tired of seeing where we're never out or we're existing in these really weird ways. And I feel like with Black queer folks and Black queer content, we don't be doing that. When it's made by us and for us, I will say we don't be doing that. It feels authentic, it feels real.
00:42:29
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that, you know, we'd be dope. That's it. We're better than, and I know people don't want to hear me say that, but being Black and queer is being better than being. Like, being heterosexual, this seems very sad. Greater than or equal to. It's greater than. It's not giving greater than equal, just greater than. Yeah. No equal to, just greater than.
00:42:51
Speaker
I was trying to think what it would be equal to, and then that's how I stopped. And it was like, maybe I should just take out the line at the bottom. Equal to nothing. Yeah. Okay. What's the time? Oh, okay. All right. We got a little more time.
Black Queer Artists: Favorites and Influences
00:43:13
Speaker
Name two of your favorite Black queer artists.
00:43:18
Speaker
I have my two already, and I'm ready to argue, so yeah. I'm gonna go with you. What type of artist? I'm gonna tell my musical artist. Yes, music artist. I have two, and I know one of them is gonna be controversial. Is it because... I'm gonna go last. I'm just gonna go last. This is...
00:43:44
Speaker
Honestly, my niggas, so I'm going to shout out two of my niggas, but we should George and Brie Black. One is a violinist, one is a rapper, and they're my absolute second favorites. What you got? I have so many. Okay.
00:44:11
Speaker
Whatever. I'll explain it. I was like, y'all might not order the box on it. First being Whitney Houston. I am actively a commitment to being the black queers person I can be in honor of the legacy of Whitney Houston. Because she didn't get to do that. And yeah, so Whitney Houston and oh,
00:44:41
Speaker
We're just going to do it. The second, really not, but one to give shout out. So yes and no. I was going to say Kate Rotta. Yeah. Oh, so many. Because it wants to be House, and it wants to be Sylvester. It wants to be Archbishop Carl Bean. You make me feel. I ain't real. So since you all know Sylvester, I'm Archbishop Carl Bean.
00:45:12
Speaker
who had the songs I was born and gave before Lady Gaga and whatever their name is. And also was Archbishop of the denomination on the West Coast. And as y'all heard, like, churchy Ashley, like, that means a lot to me. And so yeah, that's what I'll leave that with. But on real, like, sometimes I'm a patronata all day every
00:45:43
Speaker
I never listened to it again. It doesn't do it for me.
00:45:55
Speaker
because me- Oh, gosh. I listen to instrumental. I listen to a record that I just can't- It does. I feel like that. It does. He already knows. He already knows. I do. He loves us so deep. I had listened to Free Fall still from that album. The Culture, I still listen to that. He's talking about Nas. It is one more song. Oh, the song you got with Charlotte Day. It's what you need.
00:46:23
Speaker
Girl, I don't know. I taste it. You gotta be your girl remix, though. Right. In case you're not a girl. Every time. Every time. I listened to the original one time. It was like, what is this? Really? I love the original. It doesn't do, it doesn't make my legs.
00:46:46
Speaker
Baby queer story when I first heard that song the original one. I thought it was gay. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought it was gay too. I thought
00:47:23
Speaker
I bought it, yes, and I still have it. I bought that jacket when I was in college and it was a very serious situation for me.
00:47:37
Speaker
Yeah, that was very real. Ooh.
00:47:53
Speaker
You know what's funny? I had a song, it's like seven, I had, right, I had to think of a Janelle Monae song when I wasn't gonna sing. I just, it's so many of them. I was like, I couldn't think of one before I used to sing. I have a funny fact, I used to dress like Janelle Monae every day for a whole year of high school. There's a whole picture, there's a whole photo album. The jacket!
00:48:17
Speaker
Oh, and Bri has the jacket. Bri has the jacket. I was distraught because I wanted a jacket and they didn't have the jacket. The jackets in my size were already gone. I was like, wow, hate all of you. Okay, so it's me. I have, my first one is Ocean Kelly.
00:48:44
Speaker
WandaVision, Car Competition, Stuntie Queen, bitch, I'm on a mission. Run the fuck to Pop Pop Competition, kitty cat, kitty cat, kitty cat, bitch. Great. Love, love, love, love, Ocean Kelly. The lyricism is giving. Now, the second one, before I say it, I want to give an honorable mention to Cakes the Killer.
Defending Azealia Banks: Talent and Controversy
00:49:06
Speaker
I love Cakes the Killer, the flow, the beats. Shout out to Jersey too. Just nasty.
00:49:14
Speaker
Now, the other person is kind of controversial. She just got dragged recently because she walked off stage.
00:49:25
Speaker
and told the girl she didn't want to be that proud of me. I still love Azealia Banks. I know that people hate her with a deep passion. And trust me, I get it. I get it. I get it. But y'all still got niggas out here who have assaulted their wives, rape people. And we have assaulted folks still out here having fortune careers. Chris Brown. That's some baby girls. Drake.
00:49:55
Speaker
Um, so I, I am not going to give her the chop because I feel like y'all haven't given her the rest of these things at the top. And if men are black men are allowed to act like a fool as they basically have a little bit of room to do some foolish shit too. Uh, I haven't listened to Isaiah Banks is what 20. Oh, when did she come out before two? Well, no, two one two.
00:50:16
Speaker
Well, you mean before 2-1? I was at a 2-1. She was before 2-1, too, I think. Yeah, I got it. It was a song I got. I would say that the first song I ever heard from her was Lookarish. But I went back and was like, bitch, wait. This is it.
00:50:31
Speaker
I will say 1991 is what I play. And why chose me the most high? Let me know what I can't can't can't can't do for you. It's it.
00:50:48
Speaker
That's it. I love, yeah, Azealia's new shit, Azealia's old shit. I love it all. The bitch is talented. Right, the flow is sick. Very messy. Very messy. The flow is sick. And I'm going to even spit another, I'm going to say something else a girl's going to be upset about. I feel like Azealia is a body Nicky. I want to argue. I didn't. You don't have to argue. But some of the girls. Anybody, body, and bitchy.
00:51:14
Speaker
And she been on my list for a long time. Oh, me too. Keep a wet, white kiss her bum trying to touch me. Ew. I feel like Azealia, the flow, again, sick.
00:51:28
Speaker
The lyrics, I mean. I was going to bring that up. I was going to bring that up a girl, I guess, because it's related. I don't care. I'm going to keep up with her shit and buy her albums. Did you see her movie? We're going to talk about it in just a second. Yes, and it was decent. We're going to talk about it in just a second.
00:51:47
Speaker
I remember when it came out. I remember talking to Bria about when it came out. And I was like, Bria, I don't know. I think Bria was like, maybe you weren't going to watch it. But I remember specifically being like, I'm going to watch it. I remember telling you, I was like, actually, Azalea Banks really gave it. Azalea Banks gave it. The role was cute. It was made for her. It was it. It was it.
00:52:09
Speaker
And she was that girl. It was her moment. She was the moment. And I feel like I didn't make that up. But yeah, that is my favorite artist. And Pink Panther is going to be doing a collab with Caitriona. OK, y'all know she met at Beyonce right now. And I'm like, you know, mind you, I'm reading an article right now. And I was like, well, yeah.
00:52:28
Speaker
But that's it. OK, I'm sorry. OK, well, I didn't know about that. I didn't know about it until literally just now. I typed in her name, and it's all the first articles. Oh, I do have one more artist. They're also somebody, well, they're somebody from Jersey. And it's DJ Mike Q, because they pumped all the fire beats. So all the beats. Thank you. Yes.
00:53:11
Speaker
Oh my god. One time. One time.
00:53:17
Speaker
You woke me up. I was like, joy. And the last one before we get to go, I guess, the last question, you know, whatever, the last statement, if you will, is what is something you want to say to black people? Not going to the doctor. We do get older. We get older. I think that was one thing that I didn't see when I came out. Like, I was like, ooh.
00:53:44
Speaker
because I don't see no older, I don't know any older gay people. Am I just, like, did we just die? Like, could we have too much fun? You know, like, seriously. I'm not on the dance floor, I'm just messing up right now. It's over. Your quiz has ran out. Damn. But it's really real. Like, that's how I felt. And that's how folks around me, like, also me feel, right?
00:54:13
Speaker
Be careful. You can, you know, you can catch anything. Um, yeah, I was going to say, I was going to also say what Ashley said. Right. Also catching the voices because all nervous here together. Ciao. Black folks, especially black folks.
00:54:31
Speaker
That's a whole nother pocket. But yeah, just really grateful. And also just letting y'all, you know, baby, it's a mess. Like you're gonna be a mess and that's okay, you know?
00:54:50
Speaker
But that's okay, especially in your 20s. I feel like a lot of people maybe think like, oh, I'm supposed to have it together. Or you're looking at the straight couples and you're like, oh, I gotta find this person and do a thing and whatever. And I'm just like, I'm not trying to!
00:55:08
Speaker
It is okay to just like, I wasn't, it really wasn't a personal attack, but it's just, it's okay for you to just like come into queerness in whatever way you want. It's also okay to like not come out and like make some grandiose announcement if you don't want to like you can just live your life and like that's fine and like people can have questions and like fuck those niggas because you don't have to like make make some announcement about yourself where other people don't have to do that.
00:55:38
Speaker
so yeah, i think those are the things that black queer people exist in the future, and we always will, because we create speculative futures and imaginings, imagine other ways of being right now, and that life is...
00:56:01
Speaker
especially if you're a young person dealing with all of this I'm sorry but yeah it's it'll be it'll be it'll be fine and you the way where you are the place you are in life is is okay too um yeah and just continuing to be that girl and also drag me again
Optimism and Community Creation in Queer Futures
00:57:14
Speaker
I would say something similar in the idea of like, you don't have to
00:57:27
Speaker
essentially do a very particular thing to be clear. Like you don't have to follow like a checklist, like you have to be in a partnership and have to do any of those things. If you want, if you don't want to, I would say to just like to take your time navigating what queerness looks like for you individually. Um, and, um, as much as it can feel very tempting or like that feeling of like, I need to find the people, um, the people will come your way.
00:57:56
Speaker
One thing about queerness, it's like folks are gonna, they're gonna find other queer folks like in any space. It's just like an exuding light and aura. You'll know that those people are your people. And don't go to any of those boring heterosexual places looking for queerness. Not an exciting time. So I would definitely not recommend zero out of zero. So if you want to go find
00:58:26
Speaker
I wouldn't. I wouldn't recommend. I would say to just experiment with some of the spaces that work for you. Queerness doesn't always look like going to parties or clubs and stuff. Sometimes it looks like finding a queer art community to do pottery with and do normal shit with because queer people do regular shit.
00:58:45
Speaker
So I would definitely say whatever is your regular ass thing, it doesn't have to be extravagant experience while you're having career. It's just like navigate that in the way that works for you. And finding your own ways of joy. And the last thing I would say is just like preserve and protect your own energy. And we don't owe anybody a damn thing. Like you literally,
00:59:11
Speaker
don't owe how you show up to look a particular way. And to just, you know, be you, do you, and you're cute, and you're doing a thing, and we love it here. Welcome to the community. You're doing amazing, sweetie. But do you talk so good? You're doing amazing, sweetie. Yeah. Um. Hmm.
00:59:41
Speaker
Uh, all through your way and I still ain't had nothing. Wow. Um, nothing that I thought was worthy of sharing. Or, okay. Um, I'm gonna say this. I will say that, um, you're not gonna have all the answers and that's okay.
01:00:08
Speaker
And to the baby queers who think that they're gay and don't yet realize that they are something else, it is a journey and lean into it. It took me a long time to realize that I wasn't gay, I was queer. It took me a long time to be like, okay, I'm not any gender, I'm agender. It took me a long time to get to that point.
01:00:29
Speaker
A lot of it came from experiences and other shit, but a lot of it was from denial. And I would say, if you can safely lean into whatever that is and explore it. And if it's not for you, it is not for you. I think the sooner that you are able to find peace and who you are, the easier some of the other pieces become.
01:00:58
Speaker
Yeah, and to the queers, to the fat queers, to the fat, you know, like myself, the fat queers, you're not gonna see yourself a lot, but we exist. I love that. We're out there, we date, we have great sex, allegedly.
01:01:15
Speaker
I don't know because I don't have a sex boy. I've heard from other people that we have great sex. So believe, believe what you will. Um, but no, we're out here. We're doing the thing. And like, I know it could feel very invincible. Like diet culture, like your body's not great. But you are. And shopping is gonna suck.
01:01:37
Speaker
But you'll be cute because the girls can't take. I'm cute because the girls can't take. You'll be fine. One of those things was a drag which y'all might have already caught for a drink in this new album. Just lean into the things. Lean into the things. And really, how poignant is that title of that album? Because honestly, never mind. He could have kept it. I read it.
01:02:04
Speaker
Now, he felt that. It's 1147, so my question to you is, do you want to pick a story or two? My biggest take was that
01:02:17
Speaker
why was Drake singing the whole album? I really was like, it would have been better if it wasn't instrumental. that was my review? after listening to pretty much the whole thing, I was just like, this would have been better if Drake's voice wasn't on it. so the girls... the girls did listen to it.
01:02:43
Speaker
And we're like, Oh my God, what the fuck is this? But being like, Oh, trying to clown house music in the process. So I'm just gonna let y'all know like, he felt this thing. And he was like, he was straight. He was? Wait, what he do?
01:02:58
Speaker
He felt that joint too. Why? So I don't know if the girls... I don't know if y'all had thoughts about that. I know some folks were just like, I'm not listening to that shit. I'm getting jiggy with it. I love the issues.
01:03:32
Speaker
I mean, yes, I have a segue into that. This is a two-parter. Two parts. She did not ask to be on these sub-part albums.
01:04:05
Speaker
I, me, I have not listened to that life skin bullshit. I have not listened to a life skin nigga with curly hair and a fucking faded beard. Talk about, I'm not fucking doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm not listening to him try to play my face. And when we get to Beyonce, I'm gonna get on her ass too. But yeah, I'm not doing it. Yeah, I'm not doing it.
01:04:29
Speaker
I haven't listened to it by choice, but because I'm deciding to go outside of the house.
01:04:37
Speaker
more than one time per month. That means I go places with DJs and music people that find whatever calling inside of them to play the sensational what is new. That's how I've been forced into this space of listening to it. I just want to preface that is it is not choice. It is the DJs and these niggas being like, let me play some hot shit for these niggas and it's not hot at all.
01:05:05
Speaker
No, because it's the same way that I felt with Turn It Up, Pump It Up, whatever that Sierra song was, I did not play it. What the hell is the name of that song? Was she stole from Jersey? I've just erased it from my memory. Yes.
01:05:23
Speaker
I don't play music because how I play music has integrity because there's a human that's not a robot pressing buttons for the satisfaction of the niggas. I don't play music that is stolen. I don't play music. I don't play music.
01:05:43
Speaker
Actually, when all of this stuff came up, it reminded me of free spin. I'm just like, wow. Just like all of the Jersey DJs between houses. I do not play Jerkiana. I do not have an inclination to play it because what I will play is some original Jersey shit. Because if you want to hear the beat, I'll play that. If you want to hear Drake, listen to that. But I will play you some deep cut as Jersey cut.
01:06:10
Speaker
So that's all that I have. And I also feel the same way about house music. Y'all niggas don't leave me. Have y'all ever been to a free house festival? One thing that is not rooted in capitalism. Have you ever been to what brings the whole community together? Even niggas that are living on the streets. Niggas who don't have home. All these other things, they still have access to music through house music. I'm like, that's all that I have that I'm tired. Tired.
01:06:40
Speaker
We would love that. We would love to be able to pay the DJs, right? Well, the girls that were fans, you hear from me, I might want to gossip. But you didn't hear from me that people have asked for things and there might be some partnership for retakes.
Funding and Support for Black Queer Projects
01:07:00
Speaker
We need coins to play the DJs. We were like,
01:07:06
Speaker
We were like, we don't understand why. Also, I think in relation to that, the funding source that I used for originally to create the busty next time, I think it would be a good source of coin so that you could all use to further endeavor your projects. And that's what I will say.
01:07:35
Speaker
Inserts a typing medium, sends them an email right now. And I am constantly sending new projects their way because they really do fun. They fund the obscure, the fun, and they really want to uplift Black queer voices and Black queer work. I mean, as a niggas, we don't really do that.
01:07:55
Speaker
I would say you should look into this. It's really only when people do DMV stuff. I really have had to interject with this since college because that's when I first started hearing it. And I was like, I am from Southern Virginia. We don't do that shit. We don't blame the rest of y'all. I do want to say something. I have never heard that before until I went to school in fucking Fairfax, Virginia, which was like a hop, skip, and jump for once. And I'm just like, y'all just want to be fake DC. And that's why people group it all together.
01:08:25
Speaker
check that, but in terms of like house music, I will let you guys know, cause y'all both in Jersey right now, I have had to argue down Jersey's relevance in the house music scene, especially with folks from the DMV area, which I will let y'all all together from the DMV. I will do it. And also, I was like, I'm like Virginia doesn't, Virginia doesn't.
01:08:56
Speaker
yep. the girls we still look from jersey. we don't do footwork. we don't. we don't. got it.
01:09:14
Speaker
because like I am from Newport News, the girls and guys, we do not claim y'all. So let me say DC, Baltimore, maybe even Baltimore and the North, the North, the North, Virginia, right?
01:09:31
Speaker
had to argue down with folks like the relevance and importance of Jersey. Like they were the ones to come over to Jersey. I do think it is hilarious.
01:09:53
Speaker
Or, if like, Beyonce announced her album, released his album the same day, and then several days later Beyonce was like, fuck that and then play out. So, knowing that people would go up, knowing that people would like, make it a whole thing, whatever. I do think that is what it is. To me, I'm just like, wow, Beyonce is just there.
01:10:21
Speaker
Nothing else from me. Nothing else. Because I'm always going to be a jerk. I feel like Drake didn't really care about that. The album cover looks like graphic design is my passion. It looks like...
01:10:35
Speaker
It's giving, I paid a nigga like $12 to do his best. Like I made, I could do something better in Canva. So I hate that. The first, the first. But Beyonce did a thing, right? Beyonce put out her song, which is what, the sixth track on her Renaissance album.
01:11:01
Speaker
Yeah, so she put out Break My Soul with very strong connections to House. Drank didn't even wait. Drank didn't even wait. Also to... He didn't even have a fake schedule. He didn't even pretend. And also the album cover is not it.
01:11:23
Speaker
It's horrible. It is literally horrible. It came out like around Juneteenth.
Beyoncé's Impact and Big Freedia's Contributions
01:11:30
Speaker
Is this a Juneteenth event? So yeah, thoughts and feelings about this. Now I support Big Free to get in the chat. I do support...
01:11:45
Speaker
It was like a bounce. And here's as a person who was also living in New Orleans. I love like a bounce Jersey clothes sort of. I love the connection to both of these things because I understand how
01:11:58
Speaker
The sounds feel related, right? But I feel like it's very strange that Beyonce is the connection as someone who doesn't really have connections to either of those things. That was my thought. But I was like, oh, I love a track for you. Yeah, the girl who dragged me back to my best friend, and Robin, that's what you believe. She didn't even sing that song.
01:12:24
Speaker
because we remember the first level from the last time. And call Big Freedia, and then call Big Freedia again. When I first heard this song, I was like, I love this. Because people keep using it. So that's where I went. I thought it was loud. All right.
01:12:58
Speaker
I feel like it was. Honestly. And I also hope Big Freedia is actually in the video. That is one thing that I really hope that Big Freedia is in this video. And I really last to... I really last to in the past.
01:13:33
Speaker
Crediting and not putting the actual thing as a big free didn't have a whole reality show is my like big free to scared of
01:13:48
Speaker
Dre tried it. Dre tried it.
01:14:10
Speaker
Somebody made some like analysis of this is that you talk about quitting the job working a 9 to 5 of like
01:14:18
Speaker
Like feminist music when the dog working the nine-to-five and being like Oh, I don't like like I'm ready like holiday like Bitch you are rich bringing black
01:14:41
Speaker
But it don't matter. The point of the matter is like, don't bullshit me, right? Like, you don't live this life. And let's be honest, I don't know if Beyonce has ever had a 9 to 5 job. No, I don't think so. Matthew Knowles and Beyonce? No, not with him.
01:15:08
Speaker
right and that's and that's the same thing formation like um yeah afro beats oh yeah that was like a single song
01:15:30
Speaker
and here's... formation did feel very disconnected. and here's the gag too. she also went for... so when lemonade came out, the first song she dropped wasn't an actual song from the lemonade. she dropped formation. which i don't have anymore.
01:15:50
Speaker
And somebody was like, and somebody was like, yeah, Beyonce had this thing where she'll drop a song or whatever, but it's different from whatever the album, but from the whole album sound. And I was like, no, bitch, you pick a trend and drop a song, but it's not a trend. And then we all fell over the album. No. She did it too, but so cool. I think Pretty Hurts was one of the songs she had dropped the video for. Well, she dropped the video all of that. But that was one of the actual songs that came out of the radio. Pretty Hurts is on the radio.
01:16:17
Speaker
The rest of the album was different. Just shake your ass to a song and have a good time. Like y'all are giving a lot. Like it's giving, it's Beyonce is still a capitalist. Like just because somebody's black, like she's still a millionaire. And even if you watch the video for the wait, then I'm sure it's still on HBO. Way more money than I do right now.
01:16:38
Speaker
And I'm just like, I'm about to the song. Like, I'm like, no shade to that, but it's still just like, y'all are giving entirely too much to celebrity idol worship right now. But you know, I was just like, yeah, this is not even like the two acts where we live. And people also, you dumbasses that listen to Beyonce and really went and quit your jobs or whatever the fuck. Y'all some fucking fools. You was going to talk about the hotelry. Were you going to talk about the hotel?
01:17:03
Speaker
Because I told y'all when Black Parade came out, I was like, this song is garbage. Like, that is my kid. I've seen it. And that was the same thing. Y'all say for a way for movement. It's like she's a organizer. Where's the line? Where is the line? Where is the line? I will ever. I will ever have a monastic feeling.
01:17:33
Speaker
Yeah. It's okay. I really... Way too much. Also no shame. Right. You're right. Absolutely.
01:17:54
Speaker
I told people last time when Blackpink came out, I was like- I'm so tired of things that I'm here to say, that I'll be like-
01:18:06
Speaker
Why are you doing this as if he would not want you to do this? Go back to Six Inch Hills or something. Look, I want someone to only be the one who does. I don't need you to say any of this. There literally, there's nothing in me that is crying for Beyonce to do it. Don't touch my hair. Bitch, I don't give a fuck. So long, did I? I don't need it. Black skin, black niggas. Okay, back to black.
01:18:35
Speaker
Like, she already did it. I just want a girl. She gave it to us already. And it's like, we don't need it. I don't need it. No, I was going to say not from the wrong notes. Yeah. Yes. No. Ooh.
01:19:05
Speaker
What rocket? Give me something nasty. The black guy. Not blood? Blood will still go out. Right.
01:19:19
Speaker
I also feel like this is a woman who has also been pulling from black queen. Black ballroom since like fucking like, I mean, like, I think I'm thinking like day one. Yes. But I'm thinking like videos for some dress and there's a couple other ones I'm thinking about, but like I'm not that kind of guy. You did a whole Lion King, like.
Queer Representation Critique in Media
01:19:40
Speaker
Parallel lightning album and in your visuals there was not one queer Trans somebody and you gave us one little cute spotlight eliminate when you had all the girls come down to a little thing and a little bit more you were thinking to them and shit but like You have taken a lot from and you know, and let's be very clear bitch, you know who finds your career. Oh
01:20:03
Speaker
Black gay men will probably give their life because we used to be on his garment. Do you realize? House of Dariot. They are. Those niggas are the ones who are paying $1,000 for your tickets to be in the front of the stage. It's not me. The mic to every time to sing your song out. Beyonce is definitely black.
01:20:30
Speaker
That is who, and it's not just us, right? It's across the world. It's global, like Black Lives Matter and the other great gay queers who are funny. He made that song about his mother. I'm sure some Black cis women love Beyonce and maybe even a couple of Black cis men who lie about it. But like, visibly seen, it's us. Who are like, bitch, Beyonce is out. I'm going to go buy a box on over the fuckers in it.
01:20:54
Speaker
That is us. That is us. Beyonce don't even have no clout, there's no designer. Her mama be designer, her clothes, right? I don't know what he's done at. How's Siderio? I'm dragging Siderio. Okay, so what do you even have in this? Did I miss something? Because I'm just thinking about it.
01:21:22
Speaker
Her and Jay-Z for doing what the fuck did they do?
GLAD Award and Criticism of Cis Black Men's Narratives
01:21:25
Speaker
What did you do? Jay-Z got a GLAD award? Y'all lying. We asked about his gay mama. Oh, yeah. We get these straight sis. Yeah, I love it, though. She was a lesbian. She was a lesbian. OK. I was a gay mama. Absolutely not. Why they don't just do interludes? Let them talk. Shut the fuck up. Give them the coin. Give them the credit.
01:21:51
Speaker
I'm tired of these cis black men making songs, telling the story or the narrative that they don't have. I have only read the lyrics and I had to go back.
01:22:08
Speaker
Like, you know, shout out to, not really a shout out, but like, whatever. Shout out to the cis black fan who is my brother, who I had to argue down as to why we are not on the same accord because he was taping for a nigga while not holding space for his clear ass sibling that I'm like, nigga, you do not understand this song. It's not acceptable. I was like, I would never ask you to ever fucking tell my story. And I would never ever in this world think that this was acceptable.
01:22:38
Speaker
For, don't have the range, that's the thing, stay in parent, but you don't have to. Even if you didn't have the range, it's my story to tell and not yours. And then you're telling it in ways that you know that you're saying shit you shouldn't be fucking saying. Because you're not talking to me. And then you get to a studio to record it, and then you approve the recording, and then you put it in a space where you're already saying, I shouldn't have been saying this.
01:23:04
Speaker
or moving in this way. And I'm going to still say and move in this way. I have a question. Do we hear from the audience? It seems like they feel like they need you. I don't think so. I don't think so. Because I'm curious if there was like a father or a cousin. And that's right. And that's my question. That's a
Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole's Narrative Limitations
01:23:19
Speaker
big question. Because there was a mission of an unripe and there was also a mission of a cousin. And I would like them to stop.
01:23:24
Speaker
At the end there was like a cousin that had this recently came out as trans. And I was like, did you get the approval from these people to tell their stories? And this trans doesn't, how old are they? And it's like 18, 19, I'll be like, I'll be in your early 20s, I'll be in your early 20s. Where do you get the box? But also the range of your album, was it that? Uplifting. Yeah, it's like a, where did this track come from?
01:23:50
Speaker
I didn't listen to the album. I've never been a Kendra fan. Absolutely. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan. I've never been a Kendra fan.
01:24:18
Speaker
Right. Or they make it seem like they're doing the work by telling the story. I'm like, no, you're asking people. That's not the work. And nobody needs to visibly see you do the work. Just fucking do it. I admit that they don't eat, so I'm just like, I don't want to see you. Go ahead. Go ahead. Dochie? Dochie? Dochie's out here making great music. Why won't you sign up for us? Right.
01:24:47
Speaker
Oh, shout out to, who has all the queers. Cause every time I look at, I'll be like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It,
Gucci Mane's Collaboration with Queer Artists
01:25:07
Speaker
it.
01:25:07
Speaker
Wow, Beyonce and you others. No, I was about to say Kendrick and J. Cole, but the few other rappers who I put in there, J. Cole.
01:25:22
Speaker
I put them in the same pot of niggas who don't have the range and seriously don't have the range. And maybe they don't read and they're also like, right. I'm like that. Just access that you're denying that you have. It's not that you don't.
01:25:39
Speaker
You have it. I put all of those niggas in a category in a box and throw them in the trash can because, like, I'm not supporting your music when you don't, you don't have, you just, it's just not giving. Yeah. T.I. can also probably go in that box. You can throw Nas in here. Damn, I'm trying to translate, but I don't know what that, uh, something with this, Calvin? Tip.
01:26:06
Speaker
I definitely don't surprise you. I was about to say, I do first names with these boys. It's not just me. Yeah, it's a few others. I would throw in that ring as well because you don't have to. You know what I think it's so funny? Just real quick. The fact that I have been, so Gucci Mane has been out, we all know for quite some time.
01:26:39
Speaker
You made a face at Gucci Mane, but Gucci Mane is also a rapper that I know who does not insult black, who does not insult queer or gay folks in his music.
01:26:51
Speaker
I get that. But he also got a whole child that he not caring for that has, um, that needs to be true. So I'm not, you
Humor in Naming Conventions and Queer Representation
01:27:01
Speaker
got money to care for how much money he give Keisha.
01:27:07
Speaker
I don't know nothing about Birkin, who the fuck am I? I don't know anything like that. But what I do to write, so fair, but I was like specifically in the case of like community, like black queer community wise, right? Like, he don't shit on us with his lyrics, right? He's also done songs and done verses from other black queer artists, including Maconan, right? More than one song from Maconan. So like, there is... Let us know, what does that think about Drake's album?
01:27:31
Speaker
I think a little bit of respect there for that. He asked for us the most rapper. Did you listen at all? And we get the young bloodied fuck ass added to the list too. Did you buy the Beyonce box? Even though we don't have it for him, but Nadia Jones did. A mystery box that you have no idea what's in it. Lil Nas X. I thought that was sweet. I just thought that was sweet.
01:27:50
Speaker
I didn't hear it. I saw it, but I also still say no. I said no to her. That is cute. I hope it's worth it for y'all. I really hope it's great. I hope it's worth it.
01:28:17
Speaker
If it's not like tickets to the show? What? One of the boxes? Not all of them? Would you be tight if like you got the box from the photo album and then somebody else got like box number four with like tickets? We have the four.
Cultural Narratives and Queer Naming Practices
01:28:38
Speaker
Not that boozled. That would be lit.
01:28:46
Speaker
You should do that. You should. I know that a few folks bought boxes. I also wanted a box, but I don't know if the person in question got me a box or if I should have bought my own. I don't know what happened. Okay. They better get that.
01:29:12
Speaker
Like someone else was like, maybe one of these boxes has tickets in it or like an announcement. You know what would be really good is if she were to fund all of the house festivals of everywhere and the tickets would tell you like all the house festivals that were happening.
01:29:41
Speaker
And now I'm going to stop giving my intellectual property to these, um, to these streets and to these spaces. Losers, to these losers. Before we, Gucci man did, they settled.
Personal Reflections on Naming and Identity
01:29:57
Speaker
They did. They did do that. Motherfucker. How, how does that, how does that happen after the BET special? It's not.
01:30:06
Speaker
Imagine being 42 years old. Imagine being 42 with a name. The one he's not taking care of. 12 he just guarded two years ago after the... So the new baby was born in 2020. So around that same time. Wait, the baby he don't take care of was born in 2020.
01:30:33
Speaker
Also the gays be naming their kids something. A teenager. Naming themselves. Got it, got it. Sometimes. So I'm pretty interested. The way that people joke about non-binary names, I'm like, I can't even. Somebody said elbow pie. That's what I heard. I don't know how these names are going to age, but it's not giving like fry wine or well.
01:30:58
Speaker
I don't know what culture is going to look like. Here's the gag, y'all. I know. I actually like the name Ice. It has too much association and things that feel... Everybody just slowly looked at your box and was like, okay, boo. I don't look... I don't look fun. I said what I said and I ain't changing on it. It sounds cute. It's just...
01:31:27
Speaker
Well then, um, let's talk about the naming process. You know what? I don't hate that. I'm not engaging. I don't hate melon.
01:31:44
Speaker
I'm not engaging because I've heard some wild names from the girls who changed their names. I'm thinking of quite a few names that I have heard. I'm like, girl, you sure about that? Yes, exactly.
01:32:11
Speaker
I met someone who I originally thought their name was Melanie, and it was actually Melon. No. I'm not mad at Melon, but I don't mind. No, I'm bullshitting. What are you talking about?
01:32:39
Speaker
Y'all are bullshittin'. I think that's it. Melon at least sounds sweet. That's the thing. If you're going to have a name that also has associations to object, it's like, you know, I don't know if it makes sense. Like, Gary, those names, they work great. Oh, I'm just going to say, well, don't refer to me. You not. You not.
01:33:01
Speaker
Do not. It's doing. Y'all are giving you a nod. Y'all are giving you a nod. You can't say no. You can't say no. You can't perceive me. No. That's what I'm saying. No. That's cute. I did. In fact, when I was like seven years old, I remade my whole family fruits and vegetables. And my mother tells me stories about it. I was like six or seven. And I called everyone faithfully exactly what I wanted to call them. And if they didn't respond, I
Final Thoughts and Community Shoutouts
01:33:26
Speaker
would literally like say no. We could be in a grocery store. I'd be like, banana. Just imagine. Banana.
01:33:33
Speaker
I love the renaming of everyone. Yeah, I also met somebody who's also going by fag currently. Absolutely. But yeah, so. And I was just like, I was like, oh, oh, that's a choice. You can't say it. You can't call me.
01:34:00
Speaker
I mean, I put a faggot bitch like tattoo on their body, but it's also really messy when I'm talking to them. Cause I'm like, you know, even like real bitch or fat, I'm like, Oh God, that's bag bitch. I'm like, that's too much. It's too much. Now I feel like I'm insulting you. And that's not what the case is. Holleray. Like
01:34:46
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Any final remarks? Thank y'all. This was so fun. This is so fun. Because you just made an Instagram for the 15th one. You made the whole hour and 34 minute shout out to you.
01:34:48
Speaker
Shout out to them. Shout out to you. They do listen. They do listen.
01:35:06
Speaker
Also, follow B.I.C. at B.I.C. on Webacki Fenny Collective. Follow them, us. I worked there. Whoops. Follow us and...
01:35:18
Speaker
Don't fire me. Follow us. We have
Farewells and Camaraderie
01:35:23
Speaker
a Twitter. We have an Instagram. We have a Facebook. We are doing the things. July is going to be pretty quiet for us, but come back around. Stick around for August. We love the month of August for a lot of reasons.
01:35:40
Speaker
Blackity, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black.
01:36:19
Speaker
I'm gonna keep it I'm gonna keep it I'm gonna keep
01:36:28
Speaker
Because the shit don't work, because I said no, and I mean what I said, and I say what I mean, so when I tell y'all niggas no, I mean absolutely not. And that's why we're going out. Okay, that's how we're going out. And that's why you just can't take me. Love the boundaries, love it here, love this for you. Okay, let's, we'll give it a try.
01:36:45
Speaker
Share with your friends, because I feel like we've been doing this shit for a while now. You hoes are still, we are still at 10 views. We are still at 10, sorry, we are at 15 views. We are still at 15 views. This is not the five, nigga. Growth, what is that? Growth. You need to count them five. Legs. Body. Body. Blame it.
01:37:10
Speaker
You know what I think it is? You know what I think it is? No, I think there's like a delay. I feel like there's a delay between. Lay. Lay. This sounds very slow. And it sounds like we're all trying to find the lead. And we're black and queer. And we know we have to move. Every time. Every time. And we can coordinate it together. And it can sound good. I think we should. If somebody wants to make a soundbite, or maybe, you know, Kandy will just let us use it.
01:37:38
Speaker
With the gas. OK, let's see. Let's get him, girl. OK, count it. Am I counting or are you counting? Who's counting? Wow. But yeah. OK, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, hit it. Let's hit it. Hit it. Hit it. Bye. Bye. OK, so I gave you my tempo. Are you not? Are you not? I gave you my tempo.
01:38:09
Speaker
I was like, this is a wrong tip. I was like, why am I doing this? Well, if night knows. OK. Well, of legs and hips. She won't. Right. Another Black capitalist. She won't. She won't.
01:39:05
Speaker
That's it. All right. Bye. Bye.