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Episode 2: "My Favorite Nerd Shit" - X-Men with Uxy (Part 1)
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Greetings True Believers! Ryan and Shauna are joined this week by one of our favorite Gifted Youngers, none than AnnaMaria herself, our friend Uxy! We talk about our shared love of the Children of the Atom and recap/review Deadpool and Wolverine. Consider this your spoiler alert!
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Introduction and Guest Intro
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Speaker
We should recruit some homosexual to make a theme song for us. um Welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host, Ryan. And I'm your co-host, Shauna. And today we're joined by none other than Anna Marie herself, ah better known as Rogue, sometimes known as hashtag SuperOoxie, our dear friend, Ooxie, and you guys. Hi, Ooxemaw. Hola, mi amor. Hi.
X-Men Names and Tangents
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What's, um, what is Rogue's real first name? Anna Marie. Anna Marie. I think that, yeah.
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I was like thinking, i'm like what's it versus, it because I know she has a different name in like the X-Men movies versus- Her full name is Anna Marie, but then depending on who she's talking to sometimes in the comics, like Destiny likes to call her Marie a lot, and then Mystique refers to her by her like her full name sometimes, which would be ignorant, but yeah. and nobody off to a great start with uh the three of us just already sidelining um so that's just gonna happen i think when we get together like
Deadpool and Wolverine Discussion
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Speaker
You know, gather two or more ADHD people and it's just going to inherently go off on some tangent, but we'll get right back there. That's an important thing. Right. And it'll be super easy to remember what we're talking about because Uxmal wore his natural hair today. Um, so, you know, I'll just remember. Stiff wear. um So today we're gonna be talking about, and not necessarily like reviewing, but kind of um offering our thoughts and opinions on the recently released woly or Deadpool and Wolverine. um This is under our first set of three episodes and the theme is ah my favorite nerd shit.
00:02:06
Speaker
Shawna and I knew that we loved X-Men. Like when when our nerd friendship blossomed, um it became very clear that X-Men was one of those overlapping loves. And then that also happened to be one of the things that brought me and Uxie super close. So I'm super excited to talk about this with both of you. um
Anna Marie's Marvel Passion
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Speaker
Let's start off. Well, first Uxie, what are you a nerd about? So like, We think of a nerd as a person who is like super passionate about something and um weirdly knowledgeable about it. ah And sometimes people think it's kind of lame. What what are you a nerd about?
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Speaker
I mean, really, anything Marvel related? I mean, I kind of started out, that was like my first love. And then I kind of branched out a little bit into DC, but not really, that's not really my, my zhuzh, my more, my niche is Marvel. Recently got into like my gamer era and I became, I just hyperfixate in a lot of things, especially when it's like cool supernatural-esque or just like other worlds. Escapism. Yeah. yeah So I tend to hyper-focus on a lot of stuff like that. So yeah, I think that's what I'm nerdy about. Video games that take away some cool tools. We've been recently playing Elden Ring together because your nerdiness in that game then helped get me into it. And let me tell you, the way that Oopsy and our other friends' snacks have been absolutely... I can't even tell you how much I could not play this game without the two of them helping and guiding me along the way.
00:03:43
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And, you know, like it's this giant open world game. It's like purposefully instructionless. And these two are like, no, no, you have to go get this. All right. Hey, we should go get this. And I'll open this game by myself. And I'm like.
Gaming and Elden Ring
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Speaker
I've got nothing. It's intentionally hard. It's it's yeah stupid how hard they made it. like honestly i just ah It's fun. i really like I've genuinely enjoyed it. like I enjoy like a challenging game and i like you know I'm okay with failing a few times and then keeping having to keep at it, getting a little better. That's absolutely a game mechanism that appeals to me. so i've been A game mechanism?
00:04:20
Speaker
a game. It is my game mechanism, actually, is I try to make it a little harder each time, like, um anding get to no hand notice. But um, We love a girl that accepts a challenge around here. Absolutely. Always. So, another podcast but correct I mean, it could be this one too. We're full grown adults. We can talk about all the dick riding we want to. Um, so, you know, speaking of dick riding, we're going to talk about Deadpool and Wolverine. It's interesting. I was listening to, um, a, another nerd podcast, uh, Slayer Fest 98. Um,
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you know, friend of the
Podcast and Mixed Reactions
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pod. ah And that none of them seem really that into it. So I'm excited. Well, some of them did, but overall, they they were much more critical, it seemed. So um before we jump into the movie, let's talk about first memories of X-Men in general.
X-Men Origin Stories
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um So like your like X-Men origin story, Shauna, what was yours? So I've long been an X-Men fan and it goes back to being eight years old and watching the Fox Saturday morning. It was
00:05:37
Speaker
I think it was right after Eek the Cat, if I'm not mistaken, and watching that X-Men cartoon and hearing the sound of the da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da and like i was like here comes wo verine and si clouds too gambit doing it like it was like things like that like and it was great and so I always think back to that show and honestly, I have to give so much credit to like my cousin Dave. He is like the biggest X-Men fan I've ever known. He has on his calves one leg is Wolverine and the other leg is Sabretooth.
00:06:20
Speaker
that he drew himself, mind you, because he's a very good artist. Yeah. And so like, and i'll I'll get to this later with, but I'll tell the story of the Wolverine graveyard because it is a and a memory in my mind that is unforgettable. But yeah, I have to credit, you know, my cousin Dave, who was such a great influence where I get a lot of things like my love of pro wrestling from the nineties and where I love the X-Men from. Shout out to Cousin Dave. Ooxie, what was yours? So I kind of started the same way we shot. I feel like I worked my way backwards in terms of like real deep diving. So like the cartoons, definitely big memory of like watching this with my cousin, um always fighting to want to be Jean Grey or Rogue, even though like there was no one fighting me against it. um But I was just like, I'm going to be her. She's a strong woman. um But also, you know, woman.
00:07:17
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Yeah, and then that's all I knew really. And then the movies, of course, like when they came out with like the Fox universe, um which I mean, was worldly different, but it still sucks you and you still get enamored with like the same characters in a different light. And then I think in my mid 20s, believe it or not, that's when I started getting into comic books, because like comic books, like I think my first encounter with a comic book when I was younger was probably And I was like 16, 17. And then when I realized how many stories there were, it became so overwhelming. I was like, I'm not ready. And then finally, once, you know, you find out you have ADHD and you work through that shit. You're like, this is manageable now. I can pick the stories and go through and deep dive even more. So, I mean, and that just drew me even more into that realm. That's why I love the Ultimate Universe. Cause I felt like it was such, it was was such a good place to like start from. And I really appreciated that in the time of like,
00:08:10
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you know, because I think it came out when I was in high school. And so like trying to fit getting to be like, Oh, I can just collect these four trades, and then like work my way through. And like, that was a really helpful thing. Because I think sometimes the X-Men especially can be a real daunting task to try and get there's a lot of stories and a lot of change. And you know And I think that's one of the best parts about it, but also it can be difficult to really deep dive into as a fan for it. It's true. Yeah, I i have like vague memories of the 90s theme show or the 90s cartoon, like specifically that theme song. like you know I think it was just enough of the pop culture that like I wasn't sitting down and watching it, but I remember watching you know a handful of episodes. I don't think I was ever really like
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ah I was more of a Disney's one Saturday morning, a then the like fox kid you know girly, um But the the first movie is what really sort of like solidified in me that I was like, oh, I love this shit. like There was no question. I was sold. I will shout out my um old school fifth grade bestie, Nick Kipriatakis, who was like the only other person I knew that was like really, really into it. Like we were both
Impact of Early X-Men Movies
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obsessed with the X-Men movie. um And then it just stuck. And X-Men Evolution came out, you know, at a time when I was like, oh, I will sit down and watch this program. um So that actually was more of my like formative
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like relationship to some of the characters. I knew enough about them but like X-Men Evolution was actually really the first one that I watched the majority of. um And then kind of like Ooxie, I didn't really get into comic books until my 20s and um like I would occasionally read them and I i would buy some random like um like trade paperbacks like the I bought civil war out of nowhere oh probably because the movie was coming out um and that was one of the first ones that I bought for myself but then the marvel unlimited app like I remember one night I was just like going through like a wikipedia like
00:10:38
Speaker
nerd hole just like I was getting lost in it. And I was like, there's got to be a way to read this stuff. And sure enough, Marvel Unlimited got me good. And so, you know, um I consider myself a lifelong fan in the sense that it's always been something that I've been a fan of. But I don't think the nerd dumb really stuck until like the movies and then, you know, not the comics until, you know, my 20s.
Deadpool and Wolverine Movie Excitement
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Well, and honestly, I think that's a great segue because I think the movie was were such an instrumental part for me yes as well. Like as I think that they were so in it was a time where superhero movies were a joke, you know, being like it was not really how are they going to adapt to this, you know, team of these like, you know, but
00:11:26
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the the outrageousness of the 90s costumes where everything was extreme and very black color and and like we're gonna go black leather we're going in like this idea of making it real and I think they did that for the time like it felt very grounded and like oh This is how this technology will work. So funny story about the leather. So I just read um an interview with one of the directors, that the the director that did X-Men. The reason they made that stylistic choice for the black leather was because it came out around the time that ah i can't remember which yeah, the matrix came out because they all wore leather. They're like, oh, that's the thing that that's that's the sauce that we need to add to this black leather. Trans women tend to be trendsetters in fashion.
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Speaker
like love that. That part. That part. Shout out to the Wachowski sisters. Yeah. Yeah. So all right. Jumping right in. Deadpool and Wolverine. First thoughts, just, you know, positive, negative. what What's your, Ooxie, what was, Ooxie and I saw it opening night together, and then Shawna and I saw it on Sunday. Ooxie, what was your, when you walked out of the theater, how did you feel? It was hard.
00:12:49
Speaker
to... It was hard. Baby took a positive place. There are 206 bones in the body. When I left, there was 207. ah No, I felt like I held my breath for so long during so many scenes just because every nerve ending in my body was just going off with excitement on what was on the screen from one scene to the next. It just did not...
Cameos and Fan Service
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I was half expecting it to maybe suck a little bit and it'd be too much hype just because like that's what we're conditioned to in the past. like Especially for a third entry in a trilogy, the third is almost always the worst. Blade 3, X-Men 3. Well, no, no. Four Ragnarok was a saving grace.
00:13:42
Speaker
Thor Dark World was work that was better than Thor Ragnarok. I feel like that was really playing the fine line of comedic and action. And they were like, oh, we can do more silliness. And then they took another swing and struck out with Love of Thunder. That was strange. But I mean, yeah, it was great. And then I feel like there was just some of the surprises I expected, some of them I definitely did not. um Like the fact that they got Wesley Snipes back to play G Blade was like, I loved the Blade movies. Like those are like my first, I think that was like the very first male superhero-esque
00:14:24
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role model person that I was just obsessed with, like the vampire world. so smart It was so cool. My aforementioned cousin had the sword. He had the fucking sword on his wall. st Oh my gosh, oh yeah oh my gosh the yeah yeah the techno music. yeah like sad like which i agree great blade was That's like a gay club now at any given right weekend. night And it's like, oh, so that's why I was so drawn to this, but there was also like. as
00:14:59
Speaker
um What's his name? um Van Walder. ah Ryan Reynolds is in Blade 3. Yes. That's one of yeah others actually that's what was to say. I guess at the time, the tabloids are posting that apparently Ryan Reynolds and Wesley Snipes were not getting along at the time of filming. I could absolutely see that. they are Wesley
Superhero vs Comic Book Movies
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Speaker
Snipes is Wesley Snipes and Ryan Reynolds is Ryan Reynolds. Especially back then, Ryan Reynolds. like That's very, very different. he problem like to see that they're still like they are in good graces like they it was like it was just yeah I mean Jennifer Garner came back for Christ's sake and then the whole I might be jumping that like on subjects here but like just the whole Channing tandem as gambit yeah like bigger into yeah all
00:15:46
Speaker
yeah sea sorry No, but the Channing Tatum as Gambit is such a like nerdy deep cut, but also I think kind of goes to show why it resonated so much with the three of us. And I think the audience, a lot of people is it's a love letter. Those are the two words that came to my mind most when watching it is it is coming from a place of both appreciation for the lore, the characters, fans enjoying and liking this. And it just felt It was fun. And I think that's the thing that I've always really enjoyed about the Deadpool movies is that they're, they are enjoyable to watch. yeah They, they are still telling a story, but they are doing so in a way that is, well, I mean, very much like Deadpool himself breaking the fourth wall and aware that they're making a comic book movie. So how, and I think that awareness serves them both on and off screen behind the camera.
00:16:41
Speaker
Yeah. And I think actually, I don't know that I've ever, I've ever thought of it this way, but like the idea of trying to make a superhero movie versus a comic book movie, like when it takes itself too seriously and it tries to be, you know, so grounded, like, you know, the, uh, one Superman movie where it's like, you know, you follow him through his, his, uh, farm days and shit. Like it felt very grounded. There is nothing grounded about the X-Men. Like, there's a blue beast character that is, like, essential. Like, come on. Like, it's okay for it to be kind of silly, but I am, you know, I understand retrospectively. But, I mean, I was so satisfied. Like, I will say there there were, I had a couple of disappointments in terms of, um,
00:17:37
Speaker
what I expected and what I had hoped for, I think hoped for is maybe better. um But overall, I was like super happy with it. I had a really good time both times. um It was in you know incredible to be in the theater opening night with all of the nerds when you know the niche nerd things would happen like when Shawna and I saw it on Sunday it was like you know there was there were some gasps and there were some definite awareness in the audience but like
00:18:12
Speaker
when Jennifer Garner came, or no, I'm sorry, when when Chris Evans said flame on, the the fucking walls blew out. Like, ah it was unreal. It was honestly probably akin to when he said Avengers Assemble the first time. Like it, because everyone was gooped. Everyone was gooped. I don't even think it was kind of like similar to um the last Spider-Man movie when Tobin La Juan, the door Andrew Garfield gets it because it's like oh yeah it's still the same character person as like it's still the same wow factor of like this is incredible. Like I'm absolutely and so happy
Deadpool and Wolverine Chemistry
00:18:52
Speaker
that they did. I do appreciate that it was like
00:18:54
Speaker
And it was like, oh, like I was like, I knew he was talking just a little bit too positively about Captain America. And he was like, oh, my gosh, Captain America's here. I'm like, oh, that's not Captain America. Yeah. And I was like, oh, no. Oh, because like that is because I've seen like I gosh, the Fantastic Four movies. Iconic. Just cut me out. That's my nose.
00:19:20
Speaker
No Latina. No Latina. Oh, I mean, I shouldn't say that, but like, Jessica, Mummy. Yeah, come on. wigg ti list is not the great thing like ah and But no, but like, I think in going those Fox movies, I think that is they were clearly like, I love, I have such a, I loved the Ben Affleck, Jennifer Garner era of superhero. What a time. It was, I remember seeing Daredevil with my now spouse back in high school, like sitting at the theater. And I was like, and it was such a like, no, no, it makes sense that he would sleep in like a, uh, like, uh, one of those, no hearing like chamber thingies. Yeah. Yeah. Like in the water. Thank you. It was like, he would sleep in that and it was like, oh, that's so like, and it was one of those things that like, cause like Daredevil was one of my favorite superhero, like especially in high school.
00:20:16
Speaker
Daredevil was like my thing. I also realized, by the way, both in this conversation that a lot of my favorite superheroes like Gambit and Daredevil were all just the superheroes I was attracted to, but didn't have the language for. and Very bad. love Love coming back to that as a queer adult in my 30s or 40s. Like, yeah. Much like the non-binary inside of me screaming about wanting to be all of the girl characters forever and why literally I have a tattoo of Storm on my thigh. Like, just...
00:20:51
Speaker
there's something there, there's something there. um So how do we feel? So before we jump into like the surprise castings, um seeing the characters again, i was I will say it was a little disappointing. um that you know his gang didn't get as much air time, but with all the things they needed to jam in there, i that was the thing that I was okay with them sacrificing. Well, they were very, very clear on intending to jam everything in there. yeah That was a very consistent theme. Yeah, they they stretch it, baby.
00:21:30
Speaker
australiaho the whole fish take you and soma yeah no like i I think that is a disappointment for me as well. I especially like, like obviously cable would have been great, but honestly, Domino is such a dead cool character. And I thought like the actor who played her did such a wonderful job. I'm like, asy vads thank you. I was like, it was on the tip of my tongue that I was like, I'm like, thank you. yeah Yeah. And she was so good as it. I love the way that they did like, the instead of having abuse. It was just so good. So well done. And I'm really I thought that was a shame. Though we didn't get T.J. Miller. So there it's not all bad. Which one? Who's T.J. Miller? The annoying sidekick who's also a big jerk off. Yes. Yes. I feel like I like the bar guy bar guy. yeah myself The annoying guy in the one tech show. Yeah. weassel Who's actually a weasel? Who's in? Yeah. Yeah. Because the character was, you know,
00:22:29
Speaker
yeah Like weasel is a Deadpool character, but that's whatever. Sucks. So so who um seeing Wade and Logan on the screen again, like you, that chemistry. So, you know, this is something that we actually specifically like called out in the notes, but like seeing people who clearly have natural chemistry and friendship, play characters who are supposed to have this really dynamic and like complicated relationship, like at its core is incredible. like it's you I love when you can tell that people really fuck with each other in real life. They felt so well in that, and I i love that couple. like I think there's something to be said for it, and it's ah it's a classic for a reason, and they really you know they really played it up.
00:23:26
Speaker
So now, is if we're since we're talking about the relationship between Logan and Deadpool, what do you think of all of the many gay overtones between the two? like Because I think there's some different opinions. and you know like i I read a really great article on it from another podcast host, BJ Colangelo, who does The Sends of Prom with her wife Harmony, and yeah which is a really entertaining look at horror. but I think and it's really interesting to see, because I enjoyed it. like I could tell like where some people will play it off as a joke, but I really appreciated the, no, no, Deadpool is very serious. He absolutely wants Wolverine to do all sorts of things to him and repeatedly so. like I think there is a, it's played for jokes because Deadpool, but it ever felt like a sincerity to his pansexualness and like like it was played for laughs because everything's played for laughs because it's Deadpool.
00:24:25
Speaker
but also like that element of like, no, no, I am serious. Like I liked that.
Speculating Relationships and Roles
00:24:30
Speaker
I thought that was a well done. No, I agree. And I feel like, especially like in the new age of X-Men, like in the comic books, like it's very much well, laid out in front of you that like Wolverine and Cyclops are doing something with Jean. I mean, it's very much like the writers these days are very much like, well, like Logan will absolutely smash if it's, you know, if it's the right whoever. So I feel like for like 250 years, you gotta to have a, but you gotta branch out.
00:25:08
Speaker
You gotta reach out. Yeah, we don't have a fluid sense of sexuality at this point. like You're like, no, no, I like the sweat. like I was like, he's either going to be stuck in his old ways because like he's like a man from the 1800s or like James Howlett. so Right. Or, and there's the other version of Logan that would see Hugh Jackman playing him and absolutely jerk off to himself. Like, because Hugh Jackman was... It's going to the relationship with Hercules. Exactly. Ugh. Yeah, there's a whole universe with everything.
00:25:40
Speaker
Yes, so um major moments. I want to talk about the Wolverines and ah what I was really hoping for. um But re the gay overtones. Yeah, it gives Barry, like, Wolverine is willing to play the Dom in the relationship. Like, I don't know that he would ever have sex with Wade, but I do think he would let Wade do whatever he wants while, like, while he's there. Like, I bet he would, like, let Wade sniff his armpit while he jerks off or something. That just, he's like, it, it bothers him none. You know what I mean? He's just, get in there, pig. You know? Okay. You still drink maybe while you're in a relationship.
00:26:21
Speaker
Yeah. And I want to ask you both who's the top and who's the bottom or do they or or or do they switch? Oh, Wade wishes he was the top. Yeah. So we'll start start with Wolverine and Logan, which is Wolverine and Deadpool, which is which? um Logan is a Logan is a strict top, but we'll bottom for the we'll see bottom. Yeah, no, no, no, he will he will occasionally bottom because he gives like Rahim Shabbas like he's meant to top, but occasionally he'll bottom him whereas Deadpool is just a fucking come down. No, he is the bottomest bottom is bottom never bottom. Yeah. Yeah. I strong agreement like I'm like
00:27:08
Speaker
If that man doesn't make one, he doesn't make a dozen pegging jokes. Like even with wiggards with like, you know what? And I appreciate that. Like, you know, shout out to like, you know, the straight relationship male bottoms. Like, yeah not a lot of, but you know, fighting the good fight. But okay. So then, lo but now here's the question. Logan Jean Gray. Oh, she got some che tops. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. He died. He, he absolutely would. Just not at her putting his, like her foot on him. Like, yes, ma'am. Full, full sub bottom. Um, in gray cyclops verse Jean gray, or I'm sorry. Cyclops and Wolverine. Hmm.
00:27:59
Speaker
There's a part of me that feels like, um, it was strictly oral for a little bit. And like I think there's like, no, that's a very good explanation. Like where they're like, they're like not sure and they just start like touching each other during a movie and it goes there for like three dates. They're only ever interacting in threesomes and then, you know, occasionally like, Jean's Logan just suck his dick and, you know, Jean says, you know, bend over. Like through Jean, they have discovered a verse sexual relationship that helps balance out the unhealthy competitiveness in their personal lives. I like that. I think that's all right. I'm committing that to memory and I'm beating off to it later to be clear. I've done some world building around this super into it.
00:28:58
Speaker
Um, okay. so So also speaking of, um, while we're here, I was convinced we were going to get leather daddy Wolverine. And like, I wanted Henry Cavill to be, um, the, uh, Hercules variant that Wolverine is with. Or so I wanted that somehow. Like I know that that other super hot guy, I thought that was a great, Like I thought that was one of my favorite cameos was the Henry Cabell Wolverine. Yes, I soaked like drowning. as soon as he about screen I was so excited. It was him and not Daniel Radcliffe. Like no, no, no shade to the man. But Daniel, ah that would only be if they they already they had Daniel Radcliffe. It was short Wolverine. It was that first. It was the F-52 Wolverine. I would have lost it, honestly. I would have lost it. it yeah
00:29:54
Speaker
you know what they could either have gone they could have gone either way with the joke and i appreciate just like shrinking down Hugh Jackman though Daniel Radcliffe there like oh yeah that would have i mean it would have again i don't know why i'm using like blow the walls out as for some reason the only way i can describe it back blow the backs out really it would have and but then also i can't stop thinking about him um still having like a cute little british accent
Cameos and Casting Disappointments
00:30:25
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Snick, sneak. Toby McGuire, actual voice. yeah
00:30:33
Speaker
it about no No, no, no, honey. I was like, what? No. Flash Spidey. So favorite cameos, um cameos you hoped for. Let me start by saying, especially with the cameos you hoped for, One of my big disappointments was I thought we were going to get some Fox X-Men somehow. Flashback, Gimme, like, I think I hate that they did not give us the X-Men flashback of what happened to Logan's team. And I think it would have been really cool
00:31:20
Speaker
to see them again, even if it was them getting murdered, but I understand why they didn't. I would have been cool with seeing the the Sophie Turner batch of X-Men being murdered. um I don't have an emotional connection to them. So my personal, and I don't know this from an actual standpoint, but like I feel like they shied so far away from the X-Men, and it has to be because they're imminent. like That's the only reason why they really wanted that space between the 20 cent, because you're right, like having any of the, you know, Ian McKellen or even the, what's his name? Yeah, the, the guy who plays Magneto in the first class. Oh, there's the other one
00:32:06
Speaker
um fastender as better michael fast Like they stayed so far away and like, I still appreciate that they got Tyler something. to be Sabertooth again. Yeah, that was great. And I'm assuming that was Ray Park, because I don't really- As Toad, yeah, it was. Yeah, because I don't recognize him. Actually, no, Toad was. So that was the other thing that was kind of, that's what I was disappointed in, casting one. So apparently- Oh, you didn't notice. I didn't either. The guy looks just like him, but the same thing happened with Kelly, is it Wu? Who?
00:32:40
Speaker
Kind of like, well, yeah. Yeah. Like that strike. It seemed like the. It seems don screamed likers Yeah. Yeah. You know, um but yeah, I mean, it seemed like it was her. And then also so the person that played Quill, obviously, Psylocke, I mean, we saw her use that so I got great value as Psylocke. I'm so sorry. That was so busted. I like is always been one of speaking of characters I've always loved that I've always been attracted to. Psylocke is at the top of that list. Like, I love Psylocke. My second game job. Quill and then Acolyte. So there was four of them that were replaced and Todos included too because i yes. So some of like the um like nerd pages that I follow on Instagram, all of them have started sharing this because I guess like a lot of ah
00:33:30
Speaker
entertainment like tabloid type things are they're credited they're showing pictures of Deadpool and Wolverine and they're showing those stills of like the brother like you know the brotherhood in the first scene but they're crediting the original actors instead of like the actual people that like plays them so like all like the nerd pages are trying to like build awareness that it's like not the original actors. It's like these people show these people some love. like yeah Because that was the same Sabretooth though. Sabretooth. There's like i was like i rose I think the only two bad baddies. Also that were speaking of my one disappointment that actually because he was in the running originally to be Sabretooth, but they went with a different for Rustler.
00:34:11
Speaker
I was so sad that Kevin Nash didn't reprise his role as the Russian because he was the Russian in The Punisher, the Thomas Jane one. And I really like he's my one of my favorite professors of all time. And I really was like hoping that he was like the dyed blonde hair like he's like seven feet tall too. So he's like very physically intimidating. Yeah, I Anyone but pyro. I would have been psyched about anyone but pyro if we're being honest like oh I Get I get it. It was like kind of low stakes and but still like low risk high reward like no one's gonna be bummed that it's pyro but like in the grand scheme of things
00:34:53
Speaker
Like, of all the minor X-Men villains, like, but you know what? He had a pretty big role in that like time period because him and the Sean Ashmore Ice Man had very, he was like two movies so yeah you know and you know, Sean Ashmore having the I'm not gay, I'm a mutant, but I'm kind of gay. Right. Right. But Bobby is gay. But honestly, that was such a great language at the time for someone who's very closeted
Marvel Movies Missed and Speculations
00:35:16
Speaker
at the moment. But like, the X-Men have always spoken to me just the same. course thats own right You can get them to do shit. James Marsden did a full on fake reality TV show, that jury did a show, which was incredible. But like, come on, you have time to be Cyclops. Well, also, we yeah, I think they had a budget probably and it probably could like all their budget went into every capital coming into play Wolverines and Chris Evans and Channing Tatum.
00:35:45
Speaker
who be and person honestlynipe and but yeah no that's fair unlikely yeah it's like we seventh yeah like god tired know the even lacking in but yeah ice spring teten gatle Yeah, the Channing Tatum gambit. Yeah, let's talk about that that group. Yeah, second. um What a great selection of historical like the like Marvel Knights kind of feeling vibe of like, We're like, oh, like they like, you know, I love a good street level hero. So that's where like the like Electra blade like asked twenty X X 23. I mean, they could have. ah So one of the things that you asked me, Shauna, during the movie, you were like, um which one of these movies do you think I've not seen or something? Can bet.
00:36:42
Speaker
Well, obviously. That's true. Fact check, true. Ding. Ding. That's the second one, this episode. Have you not seen have you not seen the Electra? I've seen Electra. Have you not seen Blade? Have you not seen Logan? Ding. Wow. Wow.
00:37:07
Speaker
Honestly, that one specifically because some asshole spoiled it for me on Facebook when it was doing the like, I'm posting a meme that's like, that's supposed to be this, but actually it says that Wolverine dies at the end and like, and it was like meant to like, have you read it? And then it spoils it out of nowhere. And it was raised and we had coming out and I was so upset about that. Like I was like real, I was big, mad and like frustrated and I was like, fine, I'm not seeing it. And I think that was what started me on my descent of then really missing a lot of Marvel movies. Oh, yeah, this list goes on, by the way. OK, wait, I do want to I want to come back to that. But yeah, um the Wolverine. OK, I'm going to come back to whatever that thought was. Oops, what were your thoughts on seeing all those folks together?
00:38:00
Speaker
I mean, I knew about the Jennifer coming in. I did not know about Wesley. I was glad I didn't know about that one. Daphne was also like a ah heavy rumor, but it wasn't obviously confirmed because she was doing, um you know, Jedi shit. ah well Once they had her show up to the red carpet, I didn't realize the way they were going with it, that it was going to be literally like bringing back these like historical Fox characters. So I thought that was a good, cause I felt like you could bring in, you know, X 23 in a like in university kind of way. That is what I thought it was going to be. So that ended up being actually more of a sword for me.
Passing Wolverine's Mantle
00:38:37
Speaker
Yeah, I wasn't expecting her at all. And so if i I mean, I was hoping it was like one of my biggest hopes because it's like yeah with especially with like the trend right now with similar like the ah season like the original Avengers like passing the torch like a younger generation, I was like, if they do decide to eventually, you know, go into like whatever they do with the mutant saga, like she would be such a good choice to pass the mantle of Wolverine rather than just giving us another, like you can't replace him, Jackman. I'm sorry. You cannot replace him. It's going to be so hard. And it's like, why even waste your time just getting someone that we aren't going to be as in love with? Like, it's just, it's like Wesley Symeseth. There's only one blade. I mean, if they ever get that blade moving up and running, so. And I think like.
00:39:24
Speaker
the the thing with keeping Daphne as Wolverine is like Hugh Jackman like Hugh Jackman is running on steroids and like paychecks like that and musicals that man's got maybe another one or two and obviously i I don't actually think he's gonna well I mean I think I wouldn't be surprised if they sort of did another thing and then brought him back as like old man Logan you know at some point oh my gosh I would love to see an old man Logan and like a days of future past or something kind of like Because I'm sure there is old man Logan a little bit in the Logan movie. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. You should still see Logan. <unk> You need to watch it for no other reason than um Professor X is super cunty. He's like such a bitch. He's so mean. He hates everything.
00:40:16
Speaker
It's very funny to see um Patrick Stewart just be, you know, cunty to bring away that opposite as Norman. Yeah. Well, I mean, speaking of a cunty Professor X, what did you think of Cassandra Nova?
00:40:32
Speaker
um so I didn't know how loud that was, but I had to pull the mic out because I... Shauna, are you fucking kidding me?
00:40:49
Speaker
in.
00:40:54
Speaker
I mean, she did serve it was ah Emma. Emma court is a corner chamber chamber. No, it's Corinne. What a great choice. And then I take I had to get I didn't like it. You did really? No. But I was like, that's not Cassandra Nova to me. um Because We, in the comics, we've only ever seen Cassandra Nova, like which I always read her as older, like the same age as Professor X. And so, yeah.
00:41:30
Speaker
Jose, if anything, they kind of reversed how they're portrayed in the comic books. Because if you think about it, you look at the illustrations that they do for Charles and yeah, we know he's old. We know that that he's supposed to be older than all of these like, you know, militant children he has in his school. Right. He's a paramilitary gang. Yeah. But they don't draw that. Sean said a military family. think
00:41:57
Speaker
Right, so like we know he's supposed to be older, but they don't drop him. But this is a paramilitary house. This is a paramilitary home. Yep. Right, right, right. but so like So they don't portray him that way in like the illustrat illustrations. like He has smooth ass skin, not a wrinkle in sight, Krakowin era, young ass mother. Yeah, he's got a full beard. Yeah. So then when we see Cassandra Genova, she's old, obviously. But then like she has this like very strong, thin frame or whatever. So now if you refer to her, it's super short. like I imagined her being like shorter, older, um like a short Helen Mirren.
00:42:34
Speaker
Like a short-balled Helen Mirren. Are you kidding me? She did that one DC mural and was like, never again. Yeah, Fury of the Gods. I watched it. She's like, you could not pay me enough, Marple. No, thank you. So like it's kind of cool to just see like the depictions of the characters, their roles are for us. Like we have Sir Patrick Stewart um as an old ass man still playing this character. And then we have this young, fresh perspective of a character that we've only seen as old.
Character Depictions and Conclusion
00:43:03
Speaker
yeah I still am just like, whatever about it. I also don't have that much investment in Cassandra Nova. Like, she's been more relevant lately and I think... Okay. ah she She's... Her first debut is in New X-Men, right? I think so. don't call mea feels like that era is where she came about which is why I'm not super familiar because that was where I was like aware of the comics but wasn't actually reading them was that kind of way what's the name of the writer on Morrison the Grant Morrison era I think so um yeah like i don't yeah but i've never read it like new xman was actually one of the first
00:43:49
Speaker
comic like in um Marvel Universe that I read all of the issues because um it was like contained. It's you know it's like a however many issue run. Like trying to read the uncanny, like the uncanny X-Men and there's like 500, 600 issues, you're like, hmm, pass. yeah Right. She first gave you the new X-Men number. Yeah. New X-Men number 114 on July or in July of 2001. And that was a great question. That sounds exactly about when that would be is like when. Shout out me. Um, uh,
00:44:28
Speaker
or rather my knowledge that I totally didn't realize that I had. But it's just because I like her introduction. Her introduction is like so fucking conti. She gets everyone's brain. She makes beasts go feral. um She makes Kitty like think that she's rescuing some alien baby. ah It's just wild. It's a really wild story. um But yeah, she was cool. She's a cool villain, but I just didn't really have any feelings on Emma Coran particularly. That's fair. You know, and like, I do appreciate giving a non binary actor a role. I think that's Yeah, yeah, actually, like, yeah and so I thought that was kind of a cool thing. And like, really kind of playing up that, like, androgynous Professor X-ness that I thought really was a very interesting take on the character. And like, that's where like,
00:45:22
Speaker
And I'd seen other people complain about the finger thing because apparently she just does it in the comics. Like one steady game, her thing, like, but also it was very cool. So like, I don't know, it's hard to pull. Yeah. I mean, it was, I think it made it clear how different she was than Charles because she literally is like, you know, she's his foil. Um, any, any other really huge, uh, So what were the other surprises? The Deadpool core thing was cute. I liked that. I don't know if it was cute. Knowing the nuances of like the characters, who they are, who's played by them. like Finding out today that I was today years old when I found out that Kid Pool was actually Ryan Reynolds' daughter. And then Baby Pool is his son ah that I guess either, I don't know how they do it for like the baby, because obviously that baby was real lively-like. right
00:46:19
Speaker
And then the cherry topper is just Blake Lively as Lady Pool, considering that when she was like Lady Pool, the character was created by Rob Lee Field. Him and his wife, Lisa, were like super big fans of Gossip Girl, and he based the design of ah Lady Pool. Like on Blake Lively's character from Gossip Girl. By the way, I've seen a sign in the broadlight field, Just There's a jazz Just Feet, and i was like I was like, that's a good reference. Good for you. Like, thanks for both like calling the like, because I love like, when they do that, but also like making fun of it. So someone asked, a friend saw it and
00:47:04
Speaker
you know we were kind of talking about my thoughts on it and how excited I was and they said um what's one reference that like I would never have gotten that was that was really cool and I specifically said the only feet reference like it's just niche enough and so I guess maybe to kind of like start like pulling some of these bigger threads together, like it very much so was a love letter. There are parts of it that I feel like are left out, but
00:47:38
Speaker
or there were parts that I was um disappointed about or felt like were kind of missed opportunities. But at the end of the day, like ah it seemed like all of the major parties involved legitimately love these characters, this story. like There was no way that you could not at least have a good time watching that movie because they were having a good time. And I just, it it was a perfect, I think Ryan Reynolds is a perfect Deadpool. a He was the dreamcast for the longest time. like He really was. And then they sewed his fucking mouth shut. Who does that? like what was what What were you thinking? being like This is the answer. What if he doesn't have his costume and then also doesn't the Merc with a Mouth no more? What if we shut him up? i think I was actually thinking about this the other day. um I think...
00:48:37
Speaker
there's no way that you could have ah like a, a true like Deadpool character and have him be quippy in a movie that is still sort of, um ah you know, younger oriented. Like that was still Fox's X-Men, like they were not gonna push in our rating. And obviously you don't need to have an R rating for Deadpool, but like we We would have been, I think people would have been just as dissatisfied if he was like a more censored version of Deadpool. They would be, you know, that's not Deadpool. That's, well, yeah, no. So they just took away his mouth. I was just thinking about it when I was stoned and washed up the other day. Like I get it. Like make the character as different as possible so that it doesn't, so that you can still say it's that character, but the expectations are on the ground. You know what I mean? Like.
00:49:33
Speaker
and but And that was the whole mentality of like, no, no, no, look, we have this character, it's in the name only. And he doesn't do any other thing. that But that was so the way that they used to do fan service versus dance forward to a movie like this, where, you know, you're just as likely to get and like, that's so like the fans versus the extra mile and like, they make sure of that. And I think that's one of the ways in which the genre has really evolved is a much greater appreciation for the source material or the willingness to show that on screen. Right. I also think that that Deadpool from that movie looks like Baraka from Mortal Kombat. That's like all I ever think when I see that yeah version.