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Episode 7: "Witch Bitches" - Agatha All Along (eps 1-3)
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Who's been messing up everything? Who's been pulling every evil string? SPOILER ALERT - it was Agatha....all along!
Our resident Wanda Maximoff expert, Uxy, joins us again to discuss the first 3 episodes of Agatha All Along. This will be FILLED with spoilers, specifically starting at about 34:30 (and runs until the end) so if you haven't watched and don't want to have it ruined, hurry up and check it out!
Opinions shared by the hosts and/or guests of Real Hot Nerd Shit are their own and do not represent any workplace or organization that they may or may not be affiliated with.
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Introduction to Hosts and Podcast
00:00:26
ryanzymler
Welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host, Ryan.
00:00:35
Shauna _she_her_
And I'm your co-host Shauna
00:00:37
ryanzymler
And on this episode of real hot nerd shit, I will slow down and not speak so quickly.
Episode Theme: Witches and 'Agatha All Along'
00:00:45
ryanzymler
On this episode, we're talking under the theme of witches, and we will be unpacking the first three episodes of Agatha all along. And to do that, we have our resident Wanda Maximoff expert, Uxmal Iniguez Shafranek.
00:01:03
ryanzymler
Everybody welcome Uxy back Yay!
00:01:06
Uxy
A
00:01:06
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah.
00:01:07
ryanzymler
I should get like a little soundbite for that.
00:01:11
ryanzymler
Like whatever the soundbite is um from, I don't know, some corny like video game or something, but we'll we'll integrate it so it sounds...
00:01:20
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah.
00:01:21
ryanzymler
appropriate Yeah, we'll workshop it just like our theme song which we played for the second time today. i Hope you liked it So before we jump into This week's theme we figured we would just catch up a little bit Part of real hot nerd shit is also that we're real hot smart nerds and we like to talk about the things that are happening in the world starting with the most important one that Shauna wanted to discuss.
00:01:21
Uxy
Workshop that
Online Reactions to Political Comments
00:01:52
ryanzymler
Do you wanna get us going, Shauna?
00:01:56
Shauna _she_her_
Sure. Okay. So I'm very online. And so I've been looking at the chapel room non-traversy in Twitter spaces.
00:02:05
ryanzymler
Yes!
00:02:07
Shauna _she_her_
And it's so ridiculous this like, well, she didn't endorse face president Harris strongly enough. And therefore, like, you know, she said both sides are bad.
00:02:17
ryanzymler
she's ma She's MAGA adjacent. Yeah.
00:02:20
Shauna _she_her_
And did you know that one side is actually much worse than the other side?
00:02:24
ryanzymler
Like, who are you yelling at?
00:02:25
Shauna _she_her_
And And I'm like, it's so ridiculous.
00:02:29
ryanzymler
Who are you yelling at, children? Because it's gotta be children.
00:02:33
Shauna _she_her_
It really is.
00:02:33
ryanzymler
No.
00:02:34
Shauna _she_her_
And like, it's so frustrating to me that she's someone who's been so vocal on so many different issues, not the least of which, of course, being the genocide in Palestine that's happening and being a vocal advocate.
00:02:40
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm. Right, right.
00:02:47
Shauna _she_her_
And I would not be surprised if that was the main reason why she's getting such, you know, pushback because frankly, that does happen to people who advocate strongly.
00:02:58
ryanzymler
Right. Well, she.
00:02:58
Shauna _she_her_
And, but also she very clearly was like, you know, I do, you know, endorse, you know, Kamala Harris, and I just don't, you know, like, you know, fuck Donald Trump, etc.
00:03:09
Shauna _she_her_
And like, and it still wasn't good enough.
00:03:10
ryanzymler
Right. Right.
00:03:12
Shauna _she_her_
And it's like, well, no, because like, she totally missed the point on that, that it was that was actually to achieve a goal, because it was really just,
00:03:12
ryanzymler
It's never going to be good enough.
00:03:19
ryanzymler
Right.
00:03:20
Shauna _she_her_
To take her down and you see it all the time. I see it all the time with it happens to trans women anyone, you know, you have this expectation of perfection that is impossible to ultimately be because you know, we treat our celebrities and we treat our politicians as these, you know, like they're sports teams that we're rooting for and You know, like an interview isn't a play.
00:03:27
ryanzymler
totally
00:03:30
ryanzymler
Totally.
00:03:40
ryanzymler
Brave. It's personal.
00:03:43
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah there this is a person, you know, I
00:03:44
ryanzymler
Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, I'm First of all, non-traversy, absolutely. Second of all, she's right. And I think the thing that is so mad is I thought we weren't gonna do the shut up and vote thing this time. Like, I thought we all, and perhaps, okay, and perhaps I have decided to stop letting myself get so infuriated, but
00:04:17
ryanzymler
The shut up and vote thing is not gonna work. you This is not, for as much as everyone wants to say like, this is not the election to, you know, what's the word, protest or sit it out or blah, blah, blah.
00:04:30
ryanzymler
First of all, you said that about the last election and the election before that. Next point.
00:04:35
Shauna _she_her_
I'm sure the Republicans are going to put a very sane, normal person in to be their next candidate.
00:04:40
ryanzymler
Hello.
00:04:41
Shauna _she_her_
And so that's the one where, you know, like, you know, Lucy in the football with Charlie Brown, just like just this next election, like,
00:04:44
ryanzymler
It's all gonna get fixed.
00:04:47
ryanzymler
Right. He's not, she's not going to move it. But, you know, I think in particular, the like hyper visibility of the atrocities that are being funded by the American, by the American people in Gaza, in Lebanon, all the other places that genocides are
00:05:08
ryanzymler
the discourse around politics has become so much more expansive because there are so many people who are visibly, audibly, noticeably over it and have decided that like, no, none of this is really working for me.
00:05:24
ryanzymler
I am out loud. one of None of this is working for me. And so the people that are yelling at Chapel Rhone for like literally not even saying anything that charged, she just said,
00:05:37
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, she didn't say don't vote. She didn't say
Celebrities and Political Expectations
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ryanzymler
She didn't say fuck the government which is what she was really saying but like saying there's evil on both sides is is even like a ah ah very tame like polite way of saying you're all corrupt and the voting process doesn't matter like it's just such a bummer because what did you think she was going to be?
00:05:40
Shauna _she_her_
like, yeah.
00:06:03
ryanzymler
And it speaks to, I think, the audience of people who, like you said, Shauna, about like, you know, we put these celebrities up on on a pedestal. And I think a lot of, you know, left leading democratic white gays got a new icon in Chapel Rhone. I mean, we all got a new icon in Chapel Rhone, but for like white like progressives, i don't even like however they want to identify themselves, that they don't consider them leftists or they don't consider themselves socialists. They're not anti-establishment. They're a very pro-democratic party.
00:06:43
ryanzymler
Of course they're mad at their queer drag queen rock pop star for not taking a stance because they all are still drunk on the Kool-Aid of the Democratic Party. And like, fine. Okay, we get it. But she's an artist. She has the right to say how she feels.
00:07:05
Shauna _she_her_
And I think the stance isn't as important as her actions because as you said, the fact that she goes in and is supporting local drag artists in every location she does, like who's doing that?
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ryanzymler
Hello.
00:07:13
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm. But you're saying she's a trumper because she didn't say vote Harris
00:07:17
Shauna _she_her_
Like, right? like
00:07:21
ryanzymler
Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. I'm so tired of it. I'm so tired of it. I don't mean to sound so...
00:07:27
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah. If you really need chapel road to tell you, like anyone who's a big fan of chapel road is like, and I need to wonder if she thinks I should vote.
00:07:28
ryanzymler
Right.
00:07:34
Shauna _she_her_
No, that's what Taylor Swift's for. Like if you want someone who like speaks to her fans that actually has weight and is not maybe, maybe on the fence, Taylor Swift speak to those white women and let them know they should vote.
00:07:37
ryanzymler
Right. so
00:07:42
ryanzymler
Excuse me. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely.
00:07:49
Shauna _she_her_
That's the one that matters. Like if we're going to really talk about calling out our pop stars.
00:07:51
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:07:55
ryanzymler
And just, I mean, the we should not expect people who are not politically aligned to have political opinions.
00:08:07
ryanzymler
Like I understand the use, the expectation around platforms and how to use them responsibly, but part of using them responsibly is like not misleading people and not not lying to people.
00:08:07
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
00:08:23
ryanzymler
Like use your platform, but use it to explore humanity and the the the I don't know like the nuance of thought don't scream use your platform but only say it the way I want to say it then you're not helping anyone
00:08:37
Shauna _she_her_
from.
00:08:45
Shauna _she_her_
Exactly. That is, I think at the core of where these like celebrities and needing them to be these stand-ins and these cheerleaders when, you know, they, I just think it's so unnecessary.
00:08:57
Shauna _she_her_
And I just, I don't know, I've been very frustrated at this like expectation of perfection and I've seen it happen.
00:09:02
ryanzymler
it It is frustrating. It's whiplash.
00:09:06
Shauna _she_her_
It is.
00:09:07
ryanzymler
Like, okay, wait, so we're on Chapel Rowan's side, now we're not on Chapel Rowan's side?
00:09:08
Shauna _she_her_
You want to take her down.
00:09:11
ryanzymler
Okay, was that good enough?
00:09:12
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah.
00:09:14
ryanzymler
Something I don't mean to interrupt you, Shauna so please go ahead, but Janet Jackson is the thought that I wanted to say.
00:09:19
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
00:09:22
Shauna _she_her_
Well, but like, and I think Janet Jackson's a great, uh, point cause I remember you talking about it. I'm like, I don't need to be an ideological lockstep with my favorite artist.
00:09:32
ryanzymler
With my favorite, like, 50-something-year-old mother, like, millionaire, whatever, pop star.
00:09:32
Shauna _she_her_
Like I.
00:09:40
Shauna _she_her_
Mm hmm.
00:09:42
ryanzymler
No, I don't need her to... to I mean, she fucked up. The thing is, she she did fuck up. She did fuck up, especially... it was actually Uxy that told me this, because I was completely uninformed.
00:09:55
Uxy
Yeah, not believing that Kamala was black, or that she had read that she wasn't.
00:09:58
ryanzymler
Yeah. Yeah, because her her dad was white or something.
00:10:03
ryanzymler
said.
00:10:03
Uxy
after the fact that like her publicist, yeah, he like apologized for her and like made like a public apology, and then she was like, no, I didn't, and fired.
00:10:04
ryanzymler
The guy got fired. The the publicist? Yes. and c
00:10:15
ryanzymler
Demita Joe, Janet, girl, where? You got mad at someone for trying to clean up your mess? I mean, I will say, again, you know, she's allowed to have her opinion. And if she doesn't want her opinion misrepresented, fine. But just so you know, girl,
00:10:33
ryanzymler
Your opinion is bad. Like your opinion is going to make, is going to hurt people and make them mad.
00:10:39
Uxy
right like if you have this many people in your circle telling you like girl that this is not like that this ain't it and you're still like yes it is that there's a there's a there's there's a separate problem i also think with chaperone she's had a lot of heat and like eyes on her and i think this is why i was so mostly outrageous with her is because like she recently got very vocal about
00:10:46
ryanzymler
Yes, it is.
00:10:50
Shauna _she_her_
Very true.
00:10:53
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:11:00
Uxy
Wanting like boundaries because like, you know, she's a celebrity so wherever she goes She gets bombarded by fans and people come up to her like, you know They interrupt her personal time and she's like this is not what I want Like do you just go up to some random stranger and like talk to her in this way demand these things from her like no You're a random bitch I'm a random bitch.
00:11:17
Uxy
Like we don't know each other and they can stay that way. Like I'm off the clock.
00:11:21
ryanzymler
Right. Right.
00:11:22
Uxy
Like when I perform, that's one thing, but like you can't be demanding these things.
00:11:23
ryanzymler
Right.
00:11:26
Uxy
So people were like already on her bar and like, girl, you chose the wrong career. This is the like the way you feel and blah, blah.
00:11:31
ryanzymler
No.
00:11:31
Uxy
And it's like, actually, no, this is correct. Like she's allowed to have these like boundaries for sure.
00:11:33
ryanzymler
She is corrected.
00:11:35
Shauna _she_her_
Right.
00:11:36
ryanzymler
Yes. And think.
00:11:37
Uxy
So Pete, that's when like everything started shifting for her and like now this whole thing.
00:11:40
ryanzymler
That's a great point.
00:11:40
Uxy
And that's why she got so pissed.
00:11:41
Shauna _she_her_
That's a great point like.
00:11:44
Uxy
She's like, are you kidding me? Like, no, this is happening. Like, I can't, like, she, I know, you can see this.
00:11:48
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:11:50
Uxy
She's like, I can't win, but like, here's what you want to hear. Here's what I actually think. Quit taking things out of context.
Parallels Between 'The Boys' and Politics
00:11:55
Shauna _she_her_
Life imitating arts.
00:11:55
Uxy
Move the fuck on.
00:11:57
ryanzymler
Not this being the literal rise and fall of a Midwest princess, like we were watching it happen.
00:12:02
Uxy
We're watching it happen. She's going to quit. I feel like she wins.
00:12:04
Shauna _she_her_
life imitating art
00:12:05
ryanzymler
Life is imitating, like self-fulfilling prophecy much, like,
00:12:09
Uxy
Yeah, it's actually very sad.
00:12:10
ryanzymler
this how it's very sad because but i i also hope that this she just says fuck you and keeps doing whatever she i mean i think she will do that anyways but like don't worry about them hoes girl they were not going to be real chapel run fan fans anyways they are teenagers who have no real problems. And you know what? I was actually just thinking, maybe I shouldn't say that. No, fuck you. If you're the type of person, if you're listening to this podcast and you are in my life, let's have a conversation about how you have really inappropriate expectations of other people's time, energy, and attention. You don't own anyone. They don't owe you anything. In the words of Willie Nelson in Beyonce's Cowboy Carter interlude, Willie Smokauer,
00:13:01
ryanzymler
I know, what is, oh fuck, I wish I would have said it. You know my name, and I don't need to know yours, because they don't. They don't need to know our name.
00:13:13
Uxy
And that's fine.
00:13:15
ryanzymler
And that's fine. Shauna, you were saying something about, ah ah the well, i think when I interrupted you, I think you were saying something specifically about trans women, so I didn't want to interrupt that, but i know you also had made a comment a connection with something with the boys.
00:13:29
Shauna _she_her_
Oh, so I was, I'm watching The Boys right now with my partner, Dara, and it's very interesting to see. And I just, you so see how in that universe superheroes are these celebrities and there's such a political element and religious element to it. And I feel like it's so seeing the way that we look at our current day politicians as these superheroes and celebrities and not as servants of the public who are meant to help the greater good of the of the people, you know, advocate for the will of the people.
00:13:56
ryanzymler
That. That.
00:14:02
Shauna _she_her_
And I feel like we've so lost sight of that for so long ago and that it's so like people obviously aren't for the right reasons. And it's about making money and staying power. But it's very frustrating seeing that in this day, like and it just make like I'm just kind of tired of that aspect.
00:14:21
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:14:21
Shauna _she_her_
and i'm ready like We should criticize our politicians because they're not infallible. Because even though they're better than being bad, that doesn't that's not good enough to be good.
00:14:31
ryanzymler
Yeah. And I think that's and that's a very punchy, witty phrase, I would not say most of them are better than bad. I would say a lot of them are bad.
00:14:43
ryanzymler
And I wanna share my, not my conspiracy theory, but are you where are you at in the boys, Shana?
00:14:50
Shauna _she_her_
I'm in early season two.
00:14:53
ryanzymler
Oh shit, you're so far behind.
00:14:54
Uxy
because Is this your first time watching it?
00:14:56
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, yeah, this is my first time watching it like.
00:14:57
ryanzymler
Oh.
00:14:59
Uxy
Oh, just wait, girl.
00:15:01
ryanzymler
Girl, this show is fucking wild.
00:15:01
Uxy
Wait until you get to the like the most recent season and like check the dates that they were aired and you're going to be like, wow, it's insane.
00:15:05
Shauna _she_her_
Oh.
00:15:07
ryanzymler
Girl, I don't, I don't think that,
00:15:14
ryanzymler
I am cool with people thinking I'm a conspiracy theorist because every day, ah ah the more things I find out about like what's actually happening in the world, the more I'm like, okay, well, maybe everything is true. Maybe maybe all the conspiracies are true.
00:15:26
ryanzymler
But how however, there is an episode in this most recent season that involves an assassination attempt on a presidential candidate, or not a presidential candidate.
00:15:38
Uxy
Yeah.
00:15:38
ryanzymler
a is it does Is he running at that point?
00:15:41
Uxy
I think it's someone that gets elected. Like it's occurred, like they had just gotten elected and then an assassination attempt was made, but it was supposed to air two days after.
00:15:45
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:15:58
ryanzymler
The assassination and attempt of Donald Trump.
00:15:58
Uxy
What's his names? Yeah.
00:16:01
Shauna _she_her_
Interesting, interesting.
00:16:02
ryanzymler
But.
00:16:02
Uxy
it It was crazy. They had to like change and like make an edit in the beginning saying that like this in no way shape or form is related like there's we didn't I obviously they couldn't predict it but like it was just very crazy how it already mirrors current day politics and then this crazy historical moment happens and then it's portrayed on television two days later.
00:16:09
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:16:17
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:16:22
ryanzymler
Well, I low-key forgot about the part where the actual like scene was supposed to be out about an assassination attempt, because what happens, and this means nothing, it is not a spoiler for you, Shauna, but there are two groups of people that are at odds with each other, and it's basically framed as like Democrats and Republicans, and um person
Fortnite's Influence on Online Algorithms
00:16:44
ryanzymler
incites a fight between people then it gets all out of control and and then all of a sudden the fight dies down and there's three dead bodies that are beaten to death in the middle of the crowd of Republicans. And so it is being played like these these Democrats were so vile and and violent that they beat these Republicans to death. But what we saw earlier in the episode was that
00:17:14
ryanzymler
the Republicans set up for those three people to be murdered under the guise of like hey you're the biggest fans of this this this Republican come and meet that that person and instead they murder them, beat them to death and then get the bodies transported back to the riot. So like literally they cannibalized themselves and made it look like this was this big violent thing. And I just couldn't help but keep thinking about how there was, you know, a random dead person in the crowd after Donald Trump's assassination attempt. And I was like, no.
00:17:54
ryanzymler
I'm not suggesting that that man was, i'm not I'm not trying to say they are equal, but like, what do you mean
00:18:02
ryanzymler
I'm gonna get put on a watch list. We have gotta stop talking about this shit.
00:18:07
Shauna _she_her_
You know, we're like, all right, we're like, end and, you know, like cuts, technical difficulties, screen, like.
00:18:11
ryanzymler
Right, exactly, all of a sudden, this episode is over.
00:18:13
Uxy
It was like, oh, la la.
00:18:15
ryanzymler
Right, right, right. It was Agatha. Okay, so before we jump into that, the other thing that was on our list of random things to talk about is how all of our algorithms have become fucking Fortnite chip.
00:18:30
ryanzymler
And it all started with the Scarlet Witch over there sending...
00:18:34
Uxy
Yeah, my Chaos Magic brought it into our friend group. And I'm not sorry, because they are now that I understand it, because we've played the game, you're so funny.
00:18:41
ryanzymler
They're very funny.
00:18:43
Shauna _she_her_
Very good. and
00:18:44
Uxy
And I'm like, Oh, my God, I get I get my kids go ham on this.
00:18:48
ryanzymler
Yeah, and why 30 something to him on it.
00:18:49
Uxy
But yeah.
00:18:49
Shauna _she_her_
yeah The culture of it is very fun in a way that I was not expecting and I was like, oh, it really does in fact be like that.
00:18:51
Uxy
And that's all my algorithm.
00:18:54
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:18:56
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:18:59
Shauna _she_her_
That's true.
00:18:59
ryanzymler
Yeah, Fortnite does be like that.
00:19:00
Shauna _she_her_
like is like
00:19:03
ryanzymler
My best guy friend Anthony, who is also on our kickball team, was listening to the most recent episode we did with Snacks where we talked about Fortnite. And he literally said, he was like, I could send you a screenshot of the timestamp. As soon as you said you played Fortnite, I immediately paused the episode and texted me and said, bro, you play Fortnite. And like, now what a wonderful thing to be able to share with my longtime best friend. Like we play video games together.
00:19:32
ryanzymler
and play kickball and hurt ourselves playing kickball.
Main Topic: 'Agatha All Along'
00:19:36
ryanzymler
But Uxmal, I specifically asked you to come back for this episode because you are in my coven as a cistern. Talk to me about why witchy things appeal to you.
00:19:50
ryanzymler
What's the what's the desire?
00:19:53
Uxy
I don't know. I think it's i it's probably one of several things. So I was raised by literally a coven of women, not at a literal coven. They wouldn't even, if I called them all witches, however, I lived in a big, however, these brujas are my dias.
00:20:05
ryanzymler
However,
00:20:09
Uxy
Like I lived in a big house when I was a little toddler with like my grandma and at least five other of my aunts. And it's like, it was like a four story type of house in Chicago. that they all like contributed and lived in. And so like my mom working two jobs, I was just always bouncing from one ant to the next just learning different.
00:20:29
Uxy
I don't know, things in terms of like what is going to mold me.
00:20:30
ryanzymler
spells
00:20:34
Uxy
And so like just that sisterhood I've always been around. So I think that's what has drawn me to it. So like my first introduction to magic was charmed, and that was just game over.
00:20:42
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:20:43
Shauna _she_her_
Please.
00:20:44
Uxy
like As soon as I learned about charmed, I learned about these badass, powerful women that can do all sorts of really cool shit.
00:20:44
ryanzymler
I mean...
00:20:51
Uxy
I was just like, oh, i i'm in I'm in this for life.
00:20:55
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:20:55
Uxy
Sign me up, please.
00:20:56
ryanzymler
Wait, so was Charmed really, like, are are there any other important witch media to you? Because i Charmed worked for me because I was already into witchy shit. Like,
00:21:09
ryanzymler
The craft really kind of solidified me, but like, I always loved the ideas of witches and saw myself as one.
00:21:16
Uxy
So I was scared of everything when that was little. So like these witches like battling these like demons and things that are just like, I mean, it came out when I was probably, oh God, I'm not old.
00:21:20
ryanzymler
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:26
Uxy
I was probably like 10, no, a little older.
00:21:29
ryanzymler
No, you because I think it came out in...
00:21:29
Uxy
I was still like old enough, I was young enough to still be scared of things, but old enough to like kind of start getting like a grapple on reality.
00:21:33
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:21:36
Uxy
But these just were like, that they were helpful.
00:21:36
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:21:38
Uxy
So I up until that point, I just never watched anything scary or anything, which you like because it just was, you know, it was kind of the supernatural stuff was not my vibe up until then to where then I was like, well, maybe it is my vibe.
00:21:41
ryanzymler
Got it. Supernatural. Yeah.
00:21:49
Uxy
Maybe I should just look at this from a different perspective. So never watched the craft up until then never watched.
00:21:53
ryanzymler
Oh my God.
00:21:54
Uxy
practical magic even. I just was not in that, like I was not cultured. I was really not cultured.
00:21:58
ryanzymler
Right.
00:21:58
Uxy
My tias failed in that department.
00:22:01
ryanzymler
Okay. So that's what I was going to ask because like, you know, I'm not trying to generalize or anything, but there is a lot of, like, your family's Mexican, so like specifically Mexican, like, or maybe just like Hispanic Latin American culture that is very superstitious, which is like witchy adjacent and like, they're
00:22:22
Uxy
not in the way you think, though. For them, it's like, it's like, it's the devil's work.
00:22:24
ryanzymler
interesting.
00:22:27
Uxy
So they never even like, when I mean, in the 90s, it wasn't really that, like popular, and it wasn't really that mainstream.
00:22:28
ryanzymler
Yeah, it's more religious aligned.
00:22:29
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
00:22:35
Uxy
So and even if it was mainstream, like my grandma lives and breathes the Bible.
00:22:37
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
00:22:39
Uxy
So like, that's what possible
00:22:39
ryanzymler
Sure, right, right, very, totally.
00:22:41
Uxy
You never, never even talked about that around my grandma and I was around her like, I was attached to her, her to her hip.
00:22:42
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
00:22:48
ryanzymler
Right.
00:22:49
Uxy
I mean, santeria, brujeria, like those are things that are just not talked about because it's just like bringing it and into the house, even mentioning it under the house.
00:22:57
ryanzymler
Right.
00:22:57
Uxy
Well, let me say a couple of Hail Marys and go through this rosary a couple of times just to like get the bad jujuris.
00:23:01
ryanzymler
Right.
00:23:02
Uxy
I was never
00:23:02
Shauna _she_her_
yeah
00:23:03
Uxy
ever brought in that way into like our home until like we moved out, my mom and my stepdad, and he was actually the one that introduced me to Charmed
00:23:08
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:23:10
Uxy
I don't think knowing that he was just like educating this little homosexual.
00:23:13
ryanzymler
Making you. Yeah.
00:23:13
Uxy
ball Yeah, and then it was just like, honestly, it's his fault.
00:23:17
ryanzymler
Yeah. What do I, Shauna I, what about you?
00:23:19
Shauna _she_her_
Well, okay, so then were you also raised Catholic then in that same?
00:23:21
ryanzymler
Yeah. yeah
00:23:23
Uxy
Oh, yes.
00:23:24
Shauna _she_her_
Okay, so like also like
00:23:25
Uxy
Yes, I'm a survivor of Catholicism.
00:23:28
Shauna _she_her_
same as as a former, you know, a raised Catholic myself. But I think there's something to that in because there is such a undercurrent of spiritualism to Catholicism and it's obviously channeled in the one specific way.
00:23:40
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:23:43
Shauna _she_her_
But I feel like there is such a, you know, there's the incense and there, you know, all of that kind of there is a lot of rich, it's a lot of ritual, you know, like,
00:23:48
ryanzymler
It's ritualistic. Yes.
00:23:52
Shauna _she_her_
every mass is a ritual reenactment. So I think there's something that really kind of lends one to that because you're so steeped in it.
00:23:56
ryanzymler
Right.
00:24:01
Shauna _she_her_
And like I think that's where I've always had such a healthy respect for witchcraft and for all of that.
00:24:08
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:24:08
Shauna _she_her_
because growing, I was like, I do think there's like, you know, a spiritual power to the world. And I don't personally understand or, you know, really, but like, I know that i I accept that it's there, even, you know, even if I don't have necessarily the language or words in my life to tell it, but like.
00:24:22
ryanzymler
Right?
00:24:26
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:24:27
Uxy
And it's honestly more believable.
00:24:27
ryanzymler
Did you like what she said? Totally. i like i'm i'm happier I'm happier leaning into it.
00:24:31
Uxy
Like, yeah, like compared to like development like Yeah, because it's like you're you're giving thanks and you're like worshipping things that you can actually conceptualize rather than this one figure that gets twisted throughout history and isn't even represented
00:24:35
ryanzymler
And I feel like I got more powerful once I did lean into it.
00:24:44
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Personal Connections to Witch Themes
00:24:50
Uxy
correctly.
00:24:50
Uxy
And then like the story changes however many times up until we get the book that we have now.
00:24:50
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
00:24:54
Uxy
And it's like, I don't like these rewrites, Mary, and I just don't like the story. So like, I used to rather pick up a different book.
00:25:00
ryanzymler
a I don't like these rewrites, Mary. Uxy said about the Bible.
00:25:07
Uxy
Just don't.
00:25:07
ryanzymler
Which Shauna, were you like into witchy stuff though? Like high femme, it doesn't seem like you were able to really enjoy that stuff when you were younger.
00:25:18
Shauna _she_her_
No, I really, like I always, like I would see it in like the television shows I watched, you know, like things like Sabrina the Teenage Witch was like a staple show.
00:25:26
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:25:27
Shauna _she_her_
It was, it was and but you know, that's so very light on those kinds of themes, but like always, like, but I always enjoy that.
00:25:32
ryanzymler
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:36
Shauna _she_her_
But I also do think that Melissa Joan Hart's character, Clarissa, and Clarissa explains it all. I feel like she's giving kind of techno-pagan vibes, because let's face it, if you're in the 90s and you can have those kinds of computer programs,
00:25:43
ryanzymler
Totally.
00:25:47
Shauna _she_her_
and you can freeze time, I'm just saying.
00:25:49
ryanzymler
Yeah, that's a move over Jenny calendar.
00:25:51
Shauna _she_her_
I feel like there's something going on.
00:25:52
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:25:53
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, a little bit.
00:25:55
ryanzymler
Yeah, it was, I mean, know a huge, being raised with two older sisters, like they were my sort of touchstone for for culture and what was cool. And my middle sister, that's five years older than me. So when I was probably around like seven, eight, she was like 12, 13, 14. And she became, you know, the the white goth girlie. Her and her friends started practicing witchcraft and like,
00:26:26
ryanzymler
I mean, I don't know that they were actually generalizing. To me, I thought that they were practicing witchcraft. But because I thought she was cool, I thought that shit was cool. And so like I kind of got brought into those things. Like I remember going to metaphysical shops with my sister when we were visiting my grandparents in New Jersey one time.
00:26:48
ryanzymler
And I was like, I left with stuff. I left with like probably crystals. And I think I have a memory of like, um like, um not necessarily tarot cards, but like it' something, I think something about the Zodiac and like what the signs were. It has just always been so interesting to me. And despite all of the trauma from growing up in in such a sort of strange environment,
00:27:16
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
00:27:16
ryanzymler
The fact that my parents did not force organized religion on me made me extremely open to spirituality and discovering my faith in my own way.
00:27:23
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
00:27:28
ryanzymler
And I'm super grateful for that because i I have developed a relationship with the divine in my adult life and as I got older and i it it brings me comfort in a way like there's no guilt associated with it. You know it took me until like my 20s maybe even my like early 30s before I realized that like sometimes I'm actually talking to like when I'm monologuing in my head I'm actually talking to the divine or I'm like
00:28:00
ryanzymler
you know, praying is, praying is talking with intention. I'm sure someone will be mad if I said it that way, but like, the, the idea like Uxy said of like worshipping, like I feel so at one with myself when I lean into those things. And like the way that nature connects us, like, I'm just I'm a big woo-woo bitch and that has always lent itself to me calling myself witchy and and and like, you know, really kind of like playing with the idea until my former partner once asked me and said, are you a witch? And I was like, I kind of think I am. Like, I don't know how to tell, like I, you know, and and so it just, it really all,
00:28:51
ryanzymler
over the last like 10-ish years really settled in as part of how I construct my belief system. But in general, I've always been a witchy girl.
00:29:01
ryanzymler
Like Charmed was, I like, the reason that I got Buffy recommended to me was because I like Charmed. Like I i think part of that connection was like, oh, if you like Charmed, you'll definitely like Buffy.
00:29:09
Shauna _she_her_
Interesting.
00:29:14
ryanzymler
So yeah, very much so. The 90s, the craft changed me. like I am a faggot because of that movie. i i will I'm waiting for someone to ask me to you know do light as a feather, stiff as a board.
00:29:31
ryanzymler
Like I was, I hope that Anthony, if you were listening to me, i if you're listening to this right now, I need you to co-sign that when we were like in middle school and my sister was in high school, we were having a sleepover and it happened a couple of times. She was probably stoned now that I think about it, but she would come downstairs and mess with me and all my friends.
00:29:50
ryanzymler
And like one time I'm, she did a bunch of like, those like light as a feather, stiff as a board things. she did the like, crack an egg on your head, let the yolk run down. Do do either of you remember that?
00:30:01
Uxy
No.
00:30:02
Shauna _she_her_
I know the former, I don't know the latter.
00:30:02
ryanzymler
Oh,
00:30:02
Uxy
i mean the like asked if was
00:30:05
ryanzymler
got it. Uh, what did you say?
00:30:10
Uxy
I mean, the light is the feather, but not the egg one. I know about, like, you used to put, my grandma would put, like, eggs under the bed to, like, match bad, um, alesas burritos and stuff like that, but not
00:30:14
ryanzymler
Yeah. Oh yeah.
00:30:19
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:30:25
ryanzymler
Anyways, enough about how gay people love witchcraft.
00:30:31
ryanzymler
We're here to talk about...
00:30:31
Shauna _she_her_
So about witchcraft and
00:30:34
ryanzymler
ah We're here to talk about Agatha all along.
00:30:38
ryanzymler
If you are ah a person who's never who's like completely out of touch with it, I can't imagine that you've stumbled onto this podcast other than loving one of the people that is speaking on this podcast.
00:30:49
ryanzymler
It is the follow-up to WandaVision, which is a show that about the Scarlet Witch, and WandaVision we were introduced to, as portrayed by Uxmal, in WandaVision we were introduced to Agatha Harkness, who in the comic books is Wanda's sort of like teacher. She is introduced in, by way of the Fantastic Four's nanny, but ultimately she becomes like a mentor for the Scarlet Witch. She has like some stuff throughout the comics, but she is pretty inconsequential in terms of like, she's not a crowd favorite. Like she got a show because Katherine Hahn acted her ass off.
00:31:36
ryanzymler
and Agatha all along the song fucking slaps and Yes
00:31:40
Uxy
And actually I think because she did such a great job, they actually like reinvented her character in the comics or like gave her like a new, like she's been completely revitalized and young.
00:31:49
Shauna _she_her_
I love that.
00:31:49
ryanzymler
She's like She's she's been like de-aged now. She's like a cunty 40 something instead of like an ancient old crone she's much more of mother than a
00:31:59
Uxy
Like she died in, I forget which comic, i can't don't quote me, but she got brought back in the Scarlet Witch's panel when she actually goes down the witch's road.
00:32:08
ryanzymler
Witches Road.
00:32:11
Uxy
And then a series of events happens and she gets de-aged and she has this long black hair with a white streak in the front.
00:32:11
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:32:17
Uxy
And it's just like this bombshell bitchy witch.
00:32:19
ryanzymler
yeah Yeah.
00:32:20
Uxy
And it's like, oh, so they just put Catherine Hawn on countn panel.
00:32:21
ryanzymler
Uh-huh.
00:32:23
Uxy
Cool.
00:32:23
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
00:32:25
Uxy
Because of her.
00:32:25
Shauna _she_her_
Look, as a soon to be cunty 40 year old, I love this.
00:32:25
ryanzymler
They were like, okay, so the gays are obsessed.
00:32:28
Shauna _she_her_
Like,
00:32:28
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:32:30
Shauna _she_her_
Also, i that was my witchcraft as a child, Bewitched.
00:32:30
Uxy
You know how, like, they show, like, in the old, yeah, and then just have a writing agreement going?
00:32:30
ryanzymler
Adorable.
00:32:34
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:32:37
ryanzymler
Totally.
00:32:37
Shauna _she_her_
I loved
Background on Agatha Harkness in WandaVision
00:32:38
Shauna _she_her_
Bewitched.
00:32:39
ryanzymler
I love to be which.
00:32:40
Shauna _she_her_
I was such a k Nick at Night girly.
00:32:42
ryanzymler
Steve!
00:32:42
Shauna _she_her_
I loved so much. like I love Lucy, Bewitched.
00:32:46
ryanzymler
Nick at Night Block Party in the summer with Monkey Mondays, Lucy Tuesdays.
00:32:47
Shauna _she_her_
I drew Magine.
00:32:52
ryanzymler
Like, that is... When to, I'm, I feel like I don't, I could just be, you know, erasing some of my friends. Sorry. But like, I feel like when I talk about Nick at night, not a lot of people remember it.
00:33:03
ryanzymler
And I fucked with Nick at night heavy.
00:33:06
Shauna _she_her_
I've always been a night owl, even as a kid, and it was so my, I loved it.
00:33:08
ryanzymler
Same. Same.
00:33:11
Shauna _she_her_
I loved those like old school, like they were just, that was definitely where I think I grew up a lot on like the shows that I watched by myself.
00:33:18
ryanzymler
yeah Yeah.
00:33:20
Shauna _she_her_
I was like, I did just watch a lot of, I love Lucy, you know, as most normal boys do, like, yeah.
00:33:23
ryanzymler
A lot. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so pivoting back because of technical difficulties. So anyways, Agatha Harkness is a like C-list character at best in Marvel Comics until very recently, like the last 10 years because she was featured in Wanda Oskar, which is a solo series in 2014, 2015. So This picks up after the course of WandaVision.
00:33:57
ryanzymler
We'll do like, let's talk about our just like initial response to the show. And then we'll kind of do like quick episode recaps for one and two.
00:34:08
Shauna _she_her_
And this is going to be a spoiler zone, so if you have not watched it and do not want to, this is a great time.
00:34:10
ryanzymler
Oh, yes. Thank you for saying that.
00:34:13
Shauna _she_her_
We're going to put the time stamps when we post it of where we start talking about spoilers and then where to come back on it.
00:34:16
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:34:19
Shauna _she_her_
So note to selves.
00:34:19
ryanzymler
Yes. 4105. Okay, so overall reaction so far just about the first three episodes.
00:34:22
Shauna _she_her_
Perfect.
00:34:30
ryanzymler
How are we feeling the small.
00:34:32
Uxy
I'm very excited, but also, I mean, I'll leave it there until we get to the third episode, but I'm just, at first I was very worried about it.
00:34:40
ryanzymler
Yeah. and also
00:34:40
Shauna _she_her_
I am.
00:34:42
Uxy
Cause I was like, okay, how great can they make the show? Then going into like. the interviews that they did leading up to like the premiere of it all and then actually seeing that the people behind this up like this awesome show really cared not only for the characters, the comics, and they respected witchcraft also while they were creating this show. So I think I was telling you guys yesterday that they like The director, executive producer, assembled teams to go out and do research on different types of magic and different types of witchcraft and kind of honed in different elements from different cultures or different iterations of witchcraft to put together this show.
00:35:23
Uxy
And you see it in little doses there's like here and there while you're watching it. So it makes me very excited for the things that we're about to see. And it's made me very happy for what we've seen already.
00:35:32
ryanzymler
Yeah. Shauna.
00:35:36
Shauna _she_her_
So I think the reason why I've enjoyed Agatha all along so much is that a lot of the Marvel TV shows feel like not quite Marvel movies, but their pacing is not of television.
00:35:52
Shauna _she_her_
They feel like Marvel entries.
00:35:52
ryanzymler
Sure.
00:35:54
Shauna _she_her_
And this feels like a TV show.
00:35:55
ryanzymler
Hmm.
00:35:56
Shauna _she_her_
And I think the city I felt the same way about WandaVision and I felt the same way about She-Hulk.
00:36:01
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
00:36:02
Shauna _she_her_
And I don't think it's, so I, I don't think it's, I don't think it's an accident that they're all women led shows firstly.
00:36:03
ryanzymler
Justice for shit.
00:36:12
Shauna _she_her_
And I think there's something to be said for that, but that they're carried by these strong acting performances by, you know, especially like, I'm not sure of Elizabeth Olsen's TV experience, but like Catherine Hahn and Tylianna Maslany are obviously
00:36:14
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:36:29
Shauna _she_her_
uh, big like TV people from there. And so I think they really are so well versed in that medium. And I feel like it's an exemplary aspect of it.
00:36:37
ryanzymler
Right.
00:36:40
ryanzymler
Very much so that I have been a Catherine Hahn fan for a very, very long time.
00:36:40
Shauna _she_her_
So I've really liked that.
00:36:46
ryanzymler
I think her turn on WandaVision was so fun and, you know, Ooxie and I watched it together in real time. And, you know, we are arguably the two most nerdy about Marvel properties, so we have been Annoying about it since day one like we have since since we saw Agnes were like, oh that's Agatha Harkness like what is it like they're really in Agatha Harkness and Just to watch it all transpire and be wrong so many times but also be right so many times like very much so Sort of
00:37:26
ryanzymler
ah ah nerd gratification when things are like done right and done well and I think WandaVision was done so well and so I was like there's I was I had high hopes for Agatha all along and so far they've been met and exceeded. I am a Marvel Maximalist though. I want it all. I watched every awful second of Secret Invasion. It does not change my feelings on the MCU just because they put out an absolute garbage program. I mean because my feelings of the MCU are are pretty straightforward but like I'll watch it. If I think it's bad I'll stop. Actually that's not true I won't stop but
00:38:07
ryanzymler
if If I think it's bad, I will acknowledge that it's bad. But like I love these properties. I love this world. I love this universe. And every time that they expand it, I'm like, I'll give it a shot. like there's a I don't read most of these stories. like I've always been a Scarlet Witch fan. I actually have my Scarlet Witch Avengers a toy that I got when I was a kid. I re-bought it, because I saw it on, did I buy that for YouTube?
00:38:36
Uxy
Yes.
00:38:37
ryanzymler
I bought you the Emma Frost one. Lucy and I realized we had like several of the same toys growing up, and so one time I got him the Emma Frost figure that I also have up there. Anyways, I've always liked the girls, so Scarlet Witch was an easy sell. like Agatha Harkness, I had no real... Excitement about her as a character other than I'm really excited that magic is in the MCU Officially like this is really the not the first supernatural one but like we didn't get the magic of Wanda until the end of it we had like dr. Strange and stuff, but like That didn't feel like as much as the emphasis as like we're gonna set this person up as an Avenger Like it just so happens that he's the magic using Avenger So anyways
00:39:24
ryanzymler
We're all kind of along the ah ah on the same lines. Let's get into a quick episode one recap.
00:39:35
Shauna _she_her_
thoughts
00:39:37
ryanzymler
Three.
00:39:38
ryanzymler
Okay, so Uxy if you want to recap the first episode of Agatha all along.
Recap: 'Agatha All Along' Episode 1
00:39:44
Uxy
Yes. So we meet Agnes three years later, post WandaVision. Uh, and it starts out in a very mayor of Easttown, if any of you have ever seen that before, but you learn that she is a, it's a Kate Winslet show.
00:39:57
ryanzymler
Yeah, no, but yeah.
00:40:02
Uxy
It's very good.
00:40:03
ryanzymler
yeah i only know of it because of like everyone comparing the two but yeah yeah
00:40:09
Uxy
I mean, it's very like spot on. It's actually kind of funny. But we find out that a Agnes is a detective somehow, is meeting Herb, who's also a detective, are in the same way as a police officer. They find a body. They're trying to figure out who this body or the person is that they find. While she is trying to figure out this case, she we end up meeting Rio Badal, who is Aubrey Plaza's character. And we immediately learned that their relationship is very complicated.
00:40:41
Uxy
She doesn't recognize Rio immediately, she just looks at her as like an FBI agent, and then things get very intense. Flash forward to a couple hours later, we're back at Agnes' place, and this is her first introduction that we get of Teen, who is breaking into Agnes' house, while she's there with Rio, who happens to show up overnight to talk the case over, but really is just trying to poke around in her mind.
00:41:05
Uxy
get a teen arrested they get to the station as she's trying to question him and that's when things start really unraveling for Agnes because throughout the day she's having these little slip-ups of things that she's remembering from her real life and you start getting the sense that she's not really in this position and there's something off about her surroundings. So as she starts putting things together we find out that Teen is somehow in her head trying to break her out of this thing.
00:41:33
Uxy
We don't know how. We don't know what he's doing. But Rio is also there trying to help Catherine Hahn claw her way out into her full Agatha potential. And the scene that we get of her clawing her way out is absolutely phenomenal.
00:41:48
Uxy
Of her going through the ages that we saw through WandaVision.
00:41:48
ryanzymler
Yeah, great television. and Great television.
00:41:51
Uxy
It's very great television. Because then it ends with the end of the episode of Catherine Hahn butt ass naked.
00:41:59
ryanzymler
Sure does.
00:42:00
Uxy
outside to her neighbor's delight. And then knowing that that's actually Captain Noun's butt just makes it that much funnier that she pitched it and she's like, I need to do this. like This has to be done. And for really great reasons too.
00:42:11
Uxy
I mean, she gives like her like witchy side of why this is important to do or why it should be great to do.
00:42:12
ryanzymler
Right.
00:42:18
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:42:19
Uxy
And yeah, and that's the end of episode one as she comes to realize that she just broke out of Wanda's spell.
00:42:26
ryanzymler
Yeah, so.
00:42:26
Shauna _she_her_
And I also think she realized she might be gay because the looks between her and Rio just saying.
00:42:30
ryanzymler
Oh yeah.
00:42:31
Uxy
Yes.
00:42:33
ryanzymler
Yeah. It's giving very Willow and Tabula Ross a, like, I think I'm kind of gay. So a couple of key points.
00:42:39
Shauna _she_her_
Thank you. Yes.
00:42:43
ryanzymler
the things The thing that we realize is that the spell that Wanda had cast in WandaVision, when she released it at the end of that show as punishment for Agatha, she kept her in that spell.
00:42:57
ryanzymler
So she kept... Agatha only under that spell. So what we learned throughout the episode is that, and this is my take, but Agatha was stuck in like the sort of like modern family era, so that's the last episode of that's like the last time we see her under the spell in WandaVision and when Wanda puts her back under the spell she puts her in like a very contemporary sort of outfit and so I took that to mean like she's stuck there in that particular iteration of the spell but what they
00:43:36
ryanzymler
what we get to when she breaks out of the spell is that it was only recently that she transitioned into this like true crime sort of vibe which is commentary on like the current sort of obsession with true crime pod like the true crime at home detective type of programming that has been shoved down her throat for however long People get mad at the MCU.
00:44:02
ryanzymler
Let's talk about copaganda. Let's talk about how rampant that shit is, but neither here nor there Thankfully Full ACAB So my take was the the dead body that we've seen is
00:44:07
Shauna _she_her_
Well, she transitions away from being a cop shortly thereafter and good for her for living that truth.
00:44:22
ryanzymler
assumed to be Wanda, because Wanda dies with giant air quotes around it at the end of Multiverse of Madness. My, actually really quick, my question to you all, what did you take the burned books to be in the library?
00:44:40
Uxy
the Darkhold.
00:44:40
Shauna _she_her_
I think they, yeah, they referred to the many, the different copies of the Darkhold and how there was now the last one left. And I think that, well, well, but the one that was Agatha's was the last or like, I think was like, I think the one that was destroyed last, perhaps maybe the like,
00:44:50
ryanzymler
There's none left. They're all gone.
00:44:56
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:45:00
ryanzymler
Yeah, so Wanda took the Darkhold from Agatha at the end of WandaVision and was using it in Multiverse of Madness, and that's the one that got destroyed. And then when Wanda sacrificed herself, she eliminated all of the copies of the Darkhold, including the original copy of the Temple to K'Thon that she collapses onto herself.
00:45:25
ryanzymler
So that's what I took as well, because like the book that they were referencing with the ticket number thing was was in reference to the Darkhold.
00:45:32
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah.
00:45:34
ryanzymler
But I heard someone talking about how it seemed like it was, that's the library where the two visions fought, and that's what actually destroyed that.
00:45:43
Uxy
Well, that's not, not true.
00:45:45
Uxy
That is the library where but they fixed it.
00:45:46
ryanzymler
Right, it is.
00:45:48
Uxy
And so the one book that she came in with the little, what are those called, like the little slips that go on the inside library books,
00:45:55
ryanzymler
The ticket, Right.
00:45:56
Uxy
um they tell her that it was stolen. So you never get the copy back, but then there's like the whole, so I mean, that' it's a good way of saying like, obviously she doesn't know what happened with that one book, but she is aware that the rest of them are burned.
00:46:08
Uxy
And so that library structure of all those books burned was just like a way of her conscious saying like, there's no law there's no dark hold left.
00:46:12
ryanzymler
Right. Right, right. Yeah, it was definitely, ah ah that's what i that's what I felt too. Other key points, Rio Vidal, Aubrey Plaza, talk about it.
00:46:29
Uxy
Yes.
00:46:29
ryanzymler
Talk about it.
00:46:30
Shauna _she_her_
I mean, what's there to talk about because they left it all in subtext? When are we going to get it to move past that?
00:46:33
ryanzymler
they Great question.
00:46:36
Shauna _she_her_
when like
00:46:38
ryanzymler
Will we get the text?
00:46:39
Shauna _she_her_
I'm ready.
00:46:41
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:46:41
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah. Cause I think there needs to be something in this, the year 2024, there needs to be just a little something more that if you're going to have her dressed like that, making looks, literally putting her like hand, like there's so much there that I feel like
00:46:46
ryanzymler
Correct.
00:46:57
ryanzymler
It was.
00:47:01
Shauna _she_her_
one singular line would have not been so egregious.
00:47:03
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:47:06
ryanzymler
Right.
00:47:06
Shauna _she_her_
But at the rate they're not even allowed to do that, they're so risk averse to showing queerness in such an overt way. And I'm both like glad because like, I love it. It's great.
00:47:16
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:47:17
Shauna _she_her_
But like, come on.
00:47:18
ryanzymler
We don't just need subtext anymore.
00:47:20
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, we are.
00:47:21
ryanzymler
We want the text.
00:47:23
Shauna _she_her_
We lived on subjects for years.
00:47:24
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:47:24
Uxy
I mean, what was that one line that they said?
00:47:26
ryanzymler
Hello.
00:47:27
Uxy
What was that one line that Aubrey, or like, I think, yes.
00:47:30
ryanzymler
If she says she wants her horizontal and then she like quickly adds in a grave, like shot are ah Aubrey Plaza was not supposed to say horizontal.
00:47:33
Shauna _she_her_
oh yeah
00:47:40
ryanzymler
She was supposed to say laid out in a grave or something.
00:47:41
Uxy
She has like, she's like, I'm gonna make this okay.
00:47:43
ryanzymler
And she adds like that. Yeah, yeah. And they have great chemistry.
00:47:48
Shauna _she_her_
Oh,
00:47:49
ryanzymler
Like I'm into it.
00:47:49
Uxy
and We've worked together before. Actually, no, they haven't worked together before.
00:47:52
ryanzymler
They were interacted on Parks and Rec, which is incredible.
00:47:53
Uxy
Yeah. They always film on days or there wasn't a passing.
00:47:55
Shauna _she_her_
yeah.
00:47:58
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:47:59
Shauna _she_her_
oh No kidding.
00:48:01
ryanzymler
yeah, they never, and their, their characters never interact. Like there was, you know, right.
00:48:05
Shauna _she_her_
No, because like as I think about it, of course not because like that wouldn't be.
00:48:11
ryanzymler
and then we have teen, uh, what are your thoughts? Who is teen? Who's teen?
00:48:17
Uxy
Well, I can't make an opinion on this because, yeah,
00:48:20
ryanzymler
Shut up. Yeah. You're so irritated. I forgot. Ooxie saw something.
00:48:22
Uxy
No, okay, no, no, no. See, I am, it's never my fault because I subconsciously opened social media after we finished the third episode and Funko Pops had to go and ruin it for me with the leaked picture of who Teen is and who Rio Vidal is.
00:48:37
Uxy
So like, but it makes a lot more, it makes it fun figuring it out.
00:48:39
ryanzymler
And shut up, shut up, shut up. Yeah, shut up.
00:48:43
Uxy
I'm not saying.
00:48:44
ryanzymler
I don't want to hear another single word. I don't want to hear a single word. Shawna, who do you think Teen is?
00:48:49
Shauna _she_her_
I mean, it's probably Scarlet Witch's son. Like it just it feels very much like what they're going the path they're going down, like sometimes like the easy option is easy and it's OK to just be the right like pick.
00:48:54
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:49:03
ryanzymler
Right.
00:49:05
ryanzymler
Right. Ooxie is a terrible liar so I'm trying to read his his micro expressions. Interesting that you've got your arms crossed and you're holding your face in your hand to limit any type of move of awkward movement.
00:49:12
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm
00:49:17
Uxy
That's what I've been doing this whole podcast. I don't know what you're talking about.
00:49:19
ryanzymler
Yeah.
Recap: 'Agatha All Along' Episode 2
00:49:21
ryanzymler
Um, yes, I think it is Billy Kaplan, aka Wiccan. I will be disappointed if it's not. I'm preparing myself for disappointment, but my whole thought, and I, I, you know, we were wrong a million times in WandaVision.
00:49:36
ryanzymler
Like we were wrong every time during WandaVision. So I should not be surprised.
00:49:39
Shauna _she_her_
So I really
00:49:39
Uxy
Only because that might be proven right recently.
00:49:41
Shauna _she_her_
talk about that because like when we were and this is kind of jumping ahead to kind of you know episode two three but like I like oh does he have you know the soul of Nick Scratch also in him and all of that kind of like and I'm like that is that feels like something that Marvel nerds like ourselves would post would postulate on but actually they're not gonna do that they're like
00:49:43
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:49:48
ryanzymler
Hmm.
00:49:57
ryanzymler
Right.
00:50:07
ryanzymler
I don't know, dude.
00:50:07
Uxy
There's a lot of red herrings.
00:50:08
Shauna _she_her_
about Mephisto in WandaVision, where it's like, ooh, maybe. And like they're not going to do that.
00:50:13
ryanzymler
Yeah, but this time they said Mephisto.
00:50:14
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, and that would be a great idea.
00:50:17
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:50:17
Shauna _she_her_
Well, and that was, I did love that callback. But in my opinion, if you think that we're getting anything more than the name drop, I think you're going to be.
00:50:25
ryanzymler
Oh, I don't know. I think we're going to get Mephisto. I think we're going to get Mephisto.
00:50:27
Uxy
I don't think if anything, maybe at the end, I could do like,
00:50:29
Shauna _she_her_
i i Do you think that in the season or generally?
00:50:33
ryanzymler
i think I don't know. Maybe I don't think we're going to get Mephisto because we don't actually need him yet to do anything. We just need to understand it.
00:50:41
Uxy
I mean, he's coming. It's already reported he's going to be an Ironheart.
00:50:45
ryanzymler
Wasn't it supposed to be Sacha Baron Cohen?
00:50:45
Shauna _she_her_
seat home
00:50:47
Uxy
Yeah, I think it still is.
00:50:48
ryanzymler
Yeah.
00:50:50
Shauna _she_her_
That's an interesting decision.
00:50:52
ryanzymler
Yeah, but I kinda get it, but I also am not a huge Sasha Baron Cohen fan. So, Tien could very well be Agatha's son.
00:51:02
ryanzymler
They are really fucking with us. Like the sigil on his mouth, it looks like a W and an M for Wanda Maximoff. Like, that's what I saw.
00:51:11
Shauna _she_her_
e
00:51:14
ryanzymler
But again, I'm happy to be wrong.
00:51:17
Shauna _she_her_
Now I want to pay attention to that because that does sound bright.
00:51:21
ryanzymler
So we jumping to episode two, my really my notes that I actually think describe the episode perfectly are, who is teen?
00:51:34
ryanzymler
We all know it's Wiccan. We're assembling a coven. We're singing. There's scary demons coming. So what we learned at the end of episode two is that there
00:51:45
Shauna _she_her_
Catherine Hans, an angry singer.
00:51:47
ryanzymler
Yes, facial-wise at least, right?
00:51:50
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah.
00:51:51
ryanzymler
is So... So we are introduced to this concept of the witch's road, witch teen. So the reason she calls him teen is because he asks to go on the witch's road. And she says something like, what am I going to do? Take a kid on the on the witch's road? And he says, I'm 19. And she goes, sorry, a teen? And so that's why she calls him teen. And like it just sticks.
00:52:20
ryanzymler
but Teen asks to be taken on the Witches Road and he tells us that it is a an opportunity for a witch to get their greatest wish fulfilled at the end of the road if they pass all the trials.
00:52:38
ryanzymler
And from that, we get introduced to Agatha's soon to be coven, starting in reverse order, because I don't know, I think Patti LuPone would demand to be billed last.
00:52:51
ryanzymler
But we have poor Deborah Jo Rupp as Sharon Mrs. Hart, who, Sharon slash Mrs.
00:52:59
Shauna _she_her_
Wait, who's Sharon?
00:53:00
ryanzymler
Hart, her name is, her name is Sharon.
00:53:03
Uxy
Mrs. Davis.
00:53:06
ryanzymler
Sharon. So Mrs. Hart is identified as the green witch because they have to have all the elements covered and different types of witch.
00:53:17
Uxy
She's a great partner.
00:53:17
ryanzymler
And so...
00:53:17
Shauna _she_her_
What are the elements? Can we just what what are the elements of which this and this?
00:53:22
ryanzymler
Gather sister's water, fire earth and air. So earth, air, fire, water.
00:53:30
Shauna _she_her_
OK, thank you.
00:53:31
ryanzymler
So... it's It is kind of convenient because her name is Hart. Her name was Mrs. Hart to to Agatha Agnes. And so it would make sense that, you know, Hart, but obviously it's also, that's not it.
00:53:46
ryanzymler
And she also is a gardener. So like, it does kind of make sense. Like, she can pull this off. Also, yes.
00:53:52
Uxy
Well, also there's a note that Catherine was following because she got that from Patti LuPone's character. And there was a part in her mind, she just thought, oh, heart, Mrs.
00:53:58
ryanzymler
Yes. Oh.
00:54:02
Uxy
Heart.
00:54:03
ryanzymler
Well, no. Okay, so maybe we don't have to go in reverse order. The first, the first witch that we are introduced to is none other than Lilac Calderon or whatever her name is.
00:54:13
Uxy
Yep.
00:54:13
ryanzymler
Apologies. But it doesn't matter because it's Patti fucking Lapone. And the fact that Patti Lapone is in the MCU will never, ever stop tickling me.
00:54:24
ryanzymler
However, I think her presence also elevated it. like They're using practical effects and practical sets. And I i have to believe that it's because Patti LuPone said, don't put me in front of a fucking green screen. Don't put me in front of a fucking... I would not be surprised if it was a part of her demands. like I won't act with on green screens.
00:54:50
Shauna _she_her_
Well, and the way that Patti LuPone, you know, ate scenery and that appetizer, like just making those little subtle like mouth, like just, it was such wonderful acting and so very, that theater aspect really coming and shining so brightly.
00:54:58
ryanzymler
Yes. Come at the last expiration date. Yes.
00:55:11
ryanzymler
Yes.
00:55:11
Shauna _she_her_
Gosh, it's such a, it's why it's been such a fun show, like,
00:55:15
ryanzymler
Totally. She's just in a an incredible actress in general and a great character actor. And the the one thing that I i did want to also acknowledge one of my favorite moments in So Far have been when Agatha comes out of the spell and she starts like losing her shit and Later at the end of the first episode when she's putting on her clothes and she goes whose shoes are these?
00:55:42
Uxy
Bye.
00:55:43
ryanzymler
Every single time, I've watched it four times now, every single time I laugh out loud because never forget that Catherine Hahn is your favorite comedic actor's favorite comedic actor. Like, she is so fucking funny. it's in ah ah She's so incredible. And so ah ah I am just, her and Patti LuPone together, her and Aubrey Plaza together, like to say nothing of the other characters, but like those dyads in particular are really just a joy to watch. So Patti LuPone is a clairvoyant and she has a vision of who wanda's coven or who Agatha's coven is. She writes it all down and she gives it to Agatha to start finding the rest of her coven to walk the road.
00:56:36
ryanzymler
And so we have Layla Calderon on there as one of the witches. So she joins Agatha's coven. We are then introduced to Sashir Zemeda's character, whose name is Jen Kale, Jennifer Kale. And she's the potions girly. Obsessed, obsessed. Like, I don't think she's the best actor in the world, if I'm being honest.
00:57:03
ryanzymler
But I love her. I loved her on SNL. I love her on SNL. I think she's very, very funny. She's a great face actor.
00:57:11
Shauna _she_her_
Mm.
00:57:12
ryanzymler
But I'm giving her space to grow.
00:57:14
Uxy
Mm hmm.
00:57:16
ryanzymler
And imagine acting next to Patti LuPone, I'm saying.
00:57:20
Uxy
You're bound and you need a chemical peel.
00:57:22
ryanzymler
And you need a chemical field. Suck it, Patti LuPone. So we get Jennifer Kale, the potions girly, and then we are introduced to Alice Wu-Gulver, played by Ali Ahn, who is the daughter of a goddess rock star witch.
00:57:42
ryanzymler
who wrote a commercial version of The Witch's Ballad, which we hear for the first time later in the episode. That is the song that you have to sing. It's like the incantation that you have to sing to open the road, but it also gives you instructions on how to access the road. So they get...
00:58:03
ryanzymler
Alice will go over to join their coven, and then when they're like, where's the fourth person? We need a green witch. That's when we learned that the fourth name on the list was just a black heart. In the previous episode, we were informed by Rio Vidal that she has a black heart because Agatha says, uh,
00:58:30
ryanzymler
she says oh She says to Agatha, like knowing that Agatha Harkness is going to meet her end warms my heart. And Agatha says, you don't have a heart. And Rio Vidal says, yes, I do. It's black, and it beats for you. So that black heart is clearly Rio Vidal as the green witch, which they kind of spoiled with a couple of previews when they showed her like coming out of the earth.
00:58:54
ryanzymler
by Oh, you're being, you're so annoying, Uxie. I forget. Okay, anyways.
00:58:59
Uxy
I'm not seeing anything.
00:59:02
ryanzymler
Yeah, it's fine. You're not saying anything with your words, right, as she silently curls her hair.
00:59:02
Shauna _she_her_
With your words,
00:59:10
ryanzymler
So she goes and gets Mrs. Hart, aka Sharon Davis, played by Deborah Jo Rupp, to be the Green Witch. They
00:59:17
Uxy
Bless her heart.
00:59:19
ryanzymler
summon the witch's road and they depart. Favorite moments from episode two, other than you need a quick appeal?
00:59:25
Uxy
The ballad.
00:59:28
ryanzymler
Yeah, the ballad.
00:59:30
Uxy
I mean, what a great to get the writers who originally wrote Agatha all along, but then also did like the most popular songs from like Frozen.
00:59:37
ryanzymler
Right. Yup.
00:59:41
Uxy
Oh my God, what was the other one? Hedges Alyssa. Anyways, they're great incredible writers and like, it's just a fantastic And it's already broken so many records in terms of streams and the fact that our one other mutual friend, Kyle, just told me recently that apparently his child, who can barely speak, loves to sing this song all around the house.
01:00:03
Uxy
And he's just like, I don't know how to stop it and I kind of don't want to. It's just that great.
01:00:10
ryanzymler
Yay, Reed. Thank you, Reed.
01:00:11
Uxy
Yep.
01:00:12
ryanzymler
Oh my god, wait, how funny is that?
01:00:13
Uxy
I was like, a little bit in making.
01:00:13
Shauna _she_her_
So.
01:00:13
ryanzymler
Because, yeah, Reed Richards' kid is the one that introduces Agatha Harkness into the comics because they're her nanny.
01:00:24
Uxy
Bless it.
01:00:24
ryanzymler
What about you, Shauna in favorite moments?
01:00:26
Shauna _she_her_
Well, ah ah so obviously the song and so I really we we all watched together last night for like the new episode and we're watching that. And when it came on, we all started singing.
01:00:37
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
01:00:37
Shauna _she_her_
And there was this moment where I'm like, wow, there's like something kind of powerful about it. But it also made me like think like, gosh, this is like a plot from a TV show that they'd put some real witchy shit in this TV show and then get a bunch of people to then sing and like actually cast it together through their mutual singing.
01:00:53
ryanzymler
Yeah. Yes.
01:00:55
Shauna _she_her_
And I was like, and then I'm like, well, because then like like my conspiracy theory asked me to like step down for a sec.
01:00:55
Uxy
and then miss you through like
01:01:00
Shauna _she_her_
But that was like my thought. I was like, ooh.
01:01:03
ryanzymler
we Are we all participating?
01:01:03
Shauna _she_her_
But there was also something to it where, like as like we were all doing it, I was like, oh.
01:01:05
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
01:01:08
Shauna _she_her_
like like I was kind of feeling that like energy and that moment in the moment.
01:01:13
ryanzymler
Totally. which reminded me quick sidebar of when me Uxie and Taryn went to see Janelle Monae in Columbus and I did a lot of mushrooms, like a lot, and Janelle Monae was like on the stage in this like floral outfit and like
01:01:18
Uxy
and then miss you.
01:01:35
ryanzymler
Their album, The Age of Pleasure, is very, very important to me and came out at a really important time. And so like I really do hold Janelle Monae in like pretty high regard.
Recap: 'Agatha All Along' Episode 3
01:01:45
ryanzymler
So that mixed with them like dancing on stage, singing about pleasure covered in flowers, I was like,
01:01:53
ryanzymler
Oh, no, I'm participating in like a cult ritual. Like I'm giving myself to the great deity of Janelle Monae. So like sometimes it's the drugs, but sometimes it's because so much of, you know, belief systems are about people believing them. Like, you know, the sort of Uh, I don't know, attitude, right?
01:02:14
ryanzymler
Like the, the idea that like the gods were only powerful because people worshiped them. And once people stopped worshiping them, they lost their power. Like that's, that's not an uncommon, thought.
01:02:26
Shauna _she_her_
I mean, American Gods is
01:02:29
ryanzymler
And so like, yeah, maybe American um, uh, the character Exodus in X-Men.
01:02:34
Shauna _she_her_
fables.
01:02:38
Shauna _she_her_
Wait, did you ever read fables? The Bill Willingham. Oh my gosh. It was, and it's one of those things that like, I'm not sure how much it would hold up today, but at the time was such a fascinating, like, conceit of all of these different fable, you know, like
01:02:47
ryanzymler
Sure.
01:02:54
Shauna _she_her_
creatures escaping their worlds and coming to live in New York.
01:02:58
ryanzymler
Oh.
01:02:58
Shauna _she_her_
And because they're all being chased off by an adversary who like chases them all out of their like homelands. So, you know, you've got everyone from, you know, like Snow White, Prince Charming, the Big Bad Wolf, Jack is every Jack of fable, like, and so it's really, you know,
01:03:11
ryanzymler
Oops, small. Sorry, John. Was there more to that? Because I was just going to say, oops.
01:03:18
Shauna _she_her_
No, just but like, but that, but like, it has the same premise of like, Oh, some characters are more powerful. Like Snow White is very powerful because everyone knows Snow White because of Disney.
01:03:28
ryanzymler
does that remind you of all the woodland creatures fleeing for safety? It's like a whole plot line in Charmed.
01:03:35
Uxy
That's a pretty nice guy.
01:03:37
ryanzymler
Oh, yeah, that too.
01:03:37
Uxy
Oh, tattoo.
01:03:39
ryanzymler
Oh, that too. So I really enjoyed the scene in the car with Agatha and Teen for a couple of reasons. One, because, but again, Katherine Hahn is a hysterical comedic actress and there are a number of moments when she really hits like a a comedic beat, so One of the things that she said that made me love the episode so much and literally kind of made me like tear up was she said, wherever you are, a Coven, there shall be.
01:04:17
ryanzymler
and There is something about that. There's something about the coven that I have found as an adult how much you know covens are like about sisterhood and how powerful that has always felt to me. And so the fact that i i I do feel lucky to almost always find my people in my coven wherever I land,
01:04:41
ryanzymler
that really like kind of hit for me and and i she says it as it's as if it's corny which it kind of is and i think her character is saying it in a way that is like you know people People are witches, and she says, like within any three-mile radius, there's enough witchy people witchy enough people to form a coven. And so I i think you know what she's also saying is, like I'm a bad bitch, but like I just need some bodies. like I just need some people who see themselves as witches and I can make a coven.
01:05:16
ryanzymler
And what we learn is that each of the witches that participates in Agatha's cousin coven has their own motivation for you know whatever reason. But the the moment that she says that, and she starts talking about the covenstead rule, Teen says, hey, can you actually write that down for me? There's a pen in the glove box. And so she goes, oh, yeah. And she like goes in the glove box and shows him the pen and then fucking throws it out the window.
01:05:42
ryanzymler
and Like, it's so funny and subtle. And then she like reaches for his notebook and she's like, you know, sorry, i'll I'll just I'll remember to write it down later. And that really tickled me and continues to make me laugh every time I rewatch, it which is a bunch. And reminds me of Patti LuPone shamelessly throwing a chicken nugget at the camera after refusing to apologize to Madonna. Same energy, same energy.
01:06:13
ryanzymler
Oh, I also wrote down that Agatha mocking the teen in the car is very similar to her mocking him in the interrogation when she goes, when she's like writing on a notepad and she says, oh, sleep in bed, total loser.
01:06:28
Uxy
or a total lying.
01:06:32
ryanzymler
The other thing that I wanted to talk about before we jump into episode three is the choreography of women's fight scenes. I was so, like, the fact that they portrayed Rio and Agatha, like, down and dirty, like, grappling, fighting, like, it wasn't all charmed, Buffy, high, don't get me wrong.
01:06:52
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah.
01:06:58
ryanzymler
I love the fight scenes in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The idea that this woman is fighting vampires in stilettos
01:07:03
Shauna _she_her_
very Yeah, like those pleather pants have no give.
01:07:08
ryanzymler
work, Diane, obsessed. However, it makes no sense.
01:07:13
Shauna _she_her_
How is she doing kicks that high? like
01:07:16
ryanzymler
None of it makes sense. The first time I realized that it was a stunt double because it did take me a little while to figure that out, was I saw, I think it was like a season two episode maybe season three, it doesn't matter. But I had noted that Buffy was wearing really cute like boots or heels or something. But then in the fight scene, I noticed, I was i looked specifically at her feet because I was like, this bitch is fighting it. The person was wearing like just flats. And then I was like, wait, that's not what she was wearing.
01:07:47
ryanzymler
That's the Sarah Michelle Geller. And like that was when I realized that there was a stunt double in there. Sophia Crawford, actually. Yeah. Oh, so I just really liked that they made them fight for real.
01:07:58
ryanzymler
like It looked like of how actual people fight.
01:08:01
Uxy
The knife grab.
01:08:01
ryanzymler
And I thought that that was...
01:08:03
Shauna _she_her_
With superpowers, yeah.
01:08:04
Uxy
Oh, when she grabs the blade under the knife, that really like flipped my stomach.
01:08:04
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:08:08
Uxy
I was like, oh, y'all are going for like the really gory stuff.
01:08:09
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:08:12
Uxy
I'm like, please don't slice the hand off. Like, am i please, look please, wait please, please.
01:08:15
ryanzymler
Yeah. Yeah, well she had to cut her hand open so she could lick her blood off later like a weirdo.
01:08:23
Uxy
And in the rules, you can't kill me, I can't kill you, mystery, mystery.
01:08:26
ryanzymler
What do you think that's about?
01:08:28
Uxy
I know what it's about.
01:08:30
ryanzymler
Oh, Jesus, man. Alright, so...
01:08:32
Uxy
Only because I know who she so
01:08:35
ryanzymler
All right, so we'll get into um episode three, which sees our coven um embarking on the witch's road.
01:08:45
ryanzymler
And the first thing that happens is Sharon has had enough. Sharon says, this is a kidnapping. I'm gonna call the authorities.
01:08:55
Shauna _she_her_
And.
01:08:56
ryanzymler
And she's right. ah She has been taken somewhere against her will. But we really see, what'd you say?
01:09:03
Uxy
by another witch who has been kidnapped mentally before.
01:09:07
ryanzymler
Yeah, that's true. Oh my god. and So the the quick synops, so like we see them preparing to go on the road, we see Mrs. Hart almost get swallowed up and we learn that you cannot step off the road and otherwise you bad things will happen.
01:09:26
ryanzymler
which is an interesting device. And I am listening to this book called The Something of the Wild Deeps. It's like a queer black sci-fi book. And they explore this area called the Wild Deeps. And like you can't step off the road or something, that will happen. And then they are introduced to this lovely home. And this is the start of the first trial.
01:09:53
ryanzymler
thoughts of seeing them on the road. What did you all think about the start of the episode?
01:09:58
Uxy
It's very reminiscent. So I've noticed that they are all, right I'm curious how big, okay, wait, let me start over. So we've all seen the promos for the show. So there's been like the sneak peek footage that we're going to get like a Wizard of Oz episode.
01:10:14
Uxy
So it's interesting and I'm very curious to see how big this episode is going to be because they've been like teasing it since the very beginning. Like when I was watching some other YouTuber and they pointed out that the line that Herb specifically says to Agnes when, oh my god, she's really most certainly dead.
01:10:34
Uxy
That's a line that one of the munchkin uses to describe the Wicked Witch being dead also to Dorothy.
01:10:35
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:10:40
Uxy
So that was like the first introduction. And there's like a couple other ones in the second one.
01:10:43
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:10:44
Uxy
And then now we have like this road. It's not a yellow brick road. It's just this witch's road. And the way that they show the beach house is very reminiscent of like how they are introduced.
01:10:54
Uxy
They show like the vision of Oz in front of like this long road.
01:10:56
ryanzymler
Mm hmm.
01:10:59
Uxy
So it's like they're already implanting these like little tiny like seeds of like this is going to be a big episode.
01:10:59
ryanzymler
Mm hmm.
01:11:05
Uxy
So i'm just I kind of like that set up. It's just like, oh, it's going to be juicy. It's probably either going to be either Agatha's trial or maybe even Patty's trial.
01:11:15
Uxy
I can't really, I haven't really figured that part out.
01:11:16
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:11:19
Shauna _she_her_
Mm.
01:11:19
ryanzymler
Well, they have Patty styled as the Glinda the Good Witch in it from what we've seen.
01:11:23
Uxy
Yeah, that's why I was like, it's gonna be one or the other. And like their setup of like what trial this is like they put so much detail into it which is why I love these writers that also had a have big hand in WandaVision and even watching that show there were so many little tiny itty bitty details that people could point out and be like oh this is in reference to this this is in reference to that look at this callback to the comic in this part and it's like them from just approaching the door and setting up what's inside is incredible like the fact that there's a whole uh new moon which is a symbol for water or a full moon I'm sorry
01:11:46
ryanzymler
Right.
01:11:56
Uxy
And then there's also the crab that's on the bench, which is like a zodiac symbol for the crab, which is also a symbol for water.
01:11:58
ryanzymler
Which is this? Yeah. oh
01:12:05
Uxy
So it's just, I don't know.
01:12:06
ryanzymler
Yeah, and and it is the potions girls test.
01:12:07
Uxy
telling it Yes.
01:12:10
ryanzymler
So, and I think she's, she's the water element.
01:12:11
Shauna _she_her_
And so she's water, right?
01:12:13
Uxy
Yes.
01:12:13
ryanzymler
Yeah. So let's, let's talk about the first test.
01:12:15
Shauna _she_her_
Okay.
01:12:19
ryanzymler
So they get into the home. They're all restyled into like,
01:12:27
Uxy
real housewives
01:12:28
ryanzymler
waspy, sort of housewife-y, like ah they all, they look like they belong in big little lies. Like they all, and the fact that they drink those big goblet wine glasses, I'm like, yes, these, um Alice Mughal over says it's definitely a hold your tea with two hands.
01:12:46
ryanzymler
but And I don't know if that's a reference to something, but whenever I joke about like the type of white woman, I feel like I, you know, it's baggy sweater holding a mug with two hands staring out the window.
01:12:53
Uxy
Real Housewives.
01:12:55
ryanzymler
You know what I mean? Like two hands, two hands.
01:12:56
Uxy
Yeah. The fall girl.
01:13:00
ryanzymler
A fall girly or also a coastal girly, you know, chunky knit sweater, short shorts, still holding a cup of coffee with two hands.
01:13:02
Uxy
Yes.
01:13:09
ryanzymler
So they don't really know what's going on, but there is a bottle of wine. Oh, they're given a riddle that is like really easy to solve.
01:13:19
ryanzymler
but but So i my first critique the writing is a little tell don't show.
01:13:26
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
01:13:26
ryanzymler
Like they are laying the exposition out quite heavily.
01:13:27
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
01:13:31
ryanzymler
Like they started this episode, I took a note of it. Like, how are we gonna do this with no powers? We can't do this. And Tina's like, what about analog magic?
01:13:42
ryanzymler
You know, like really working. And I'm like, all right, we get it. You have to teach us these things. Like you have to tell us these things, but I feel like there are ways that we can get it.
01:13:50
Shauna _she_her_
Well, and like, even like Katherine was like, this is a very, let's follow the obvious breadcrumbs and do the obvious thing.
01:13:56
ryanzymler
yes yes and so they are kind of of leaning into that too because when they see the house for the first time uh sashir's made us care uh jennifer kale says that there before and literally i said the same exact thing and then it was repeated by agatha which was like we should stop asking that question we're gonna have to stop asking that question because i was like you're witches
01:13:58
Shauna _she_her_
Like.
01:14:18
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, you did. I remember like.
01:14:20
Uxy
No.
01:14:20
ryanzymler
Like, what do you mean? You're confused by the strange things that are happening. You're witches on the witch's road. sang a song and a magic door opened. Like, yeah, girl, it's spooky, ooky up in here.
01:14:29
Uxy
Right.
01:14:34
ryanzymler
Also at the line I wrote down when Mrs. Hart is, her purse is dropping into the water, into the quicksand.
01:14:39
Uxy
That is from Tal Bitz.
01:14:42
ryanzymler
This came from Talmos! Like, they really, are like, Mrs. Hart is an icon. So do one of you want to talk about the the actual trial that they they come across?
01:14:49
Uxy
Justice.
01:14:57
Shauna _she_her_
I mean, I love that they used actual physical like costumes and makeup for the faces. I thought that was, that it wasn't CGI'd and it was actually this like detail made it so much more interesting, though it definitely was like, had a weird look to it, but like.
01:15:09
ryanzymler
Practical effects, yeah.
01:15:16
ryanzymler
Totally. Yeah. So they all sort of are like, OK, there's this bottle of wine. The clue is wine. Mrs. Hart is clearly a wino.
01:15:28
ryanzymler
And she's like the first one to take a frickin' goblet down the guzzle.
01:15:31
Shauna _she_her_
Like, she's had a rough day.
01:15:33
ryanzymler
And she's had a rough day.
01:15:34
Shauna _she_her_
You know, let her drink. Like, you know what?
01:15:36
ryanzymler
Her Talbot's bag.
01:15:37
Shauna _she_her_
I get it.
01:15:38
ryanzymler
Her Talbot's bag.
01:15:40
Shauna _she_her_
Gone.
01:15:41
ryanzymler
So she, it's gone. Is Agatha gonna reimburse her for, oh. So, uh, so, I mean, so, uh, Mrs. Hart's face is the first one to swell up and, uh, Jennifer Kale goes, we've been poisoned. Complete number two. You're a potions bitch. You didn't think, they do show her sort of like smelling it, but I'm like,
01:16:08
ryanzymler
It's a trial. You all understand it's a trial. You're being told to drink something. Potions, girl. We brought you here for a reason. Where are you at? So we learned they've been poisoned. they figure the The potions, which does kind of quickly get her shit together and realizes what the poison is and sets off everyone to collect the ingredients to brew in antidote, which gets us into some hallucinations that are happening. The first one we hear is Mrs. Hart,
01:16:44
ryanzymler
hallucinating that she's still trapped under the spell of Wanda in the very first episode of WandaVision when they're having dinner and she says, Wanda, please let him breathe. And then I can't remember who we have next.
01:16:57
ryanzymler
Who else's hallucinations do we see?
01:16:58
Uxy
And it's Lila, and then it's Alex, Alice Wu, and then Jennifer Kale comes afterwards.
01:17:07
ryanzymler
Jennifer, yeah.
01:17:08
Uxy
And it was a really cool moment because I don't think we really get a good visibility. I noticed that. So each woman has like a different type of pendant or a different type of amulet.
01:17:17
ryanzymler
Yes.
01:17:18
Uxy
Like each one, even Mrs.
01:17:19
ryanzymler
Yes.
01:17:20
Uxy
Hart does. So like we have
01:17:21
ryanzymler
Yes.
01:17:22
Uxy
Lyla, who has like this pendant that has like these two hands with an eye in the middle, which I mean, clearly is like a one for her like divination abilities.
01:17:24
ryanzymler
Divination.
01:17:30
Uxy
You have Jennifer Kehoe who has like the quartz, the rose quartz, which like um if you're a crystal user, rose quartz is like super powerful for like mending relationships.
01:17:40
Uxy
So there's like a little nuance hints there of like are these witches going to heal their relationship because they all freaking hate each other for some reason.
01:17:48
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
01:17:48
Uxy
And she also has like this little potion vial pendant like wrapped around her waist also.
01:17:49
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm. I could see that too.
01:17:53
Uxy
And then I didn't realize that Alex was wearing one also, but then you see it very clearly because when she hallucinates her mom, who's like crying about her grandmother dying, she's wearing the exact same pendant.
01:18:03
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:18:04
Uxy
So it's like something that you see that gets passed from like one generation to like the next. through death maybe. You don't really get that detail obviously. And then Mrs. Hart has a little moonstone it looks like when she's like wearing, which is like a symbol for like new beginnings.
01:18:17
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:18:19
Uxy
So it's like, it's very cute how each of them have like some little details. And then Agatha obviously with the mother maiden crown.
01:18:25
ryanzymler
Right.
01:18:25
Uxy
I don't think Teen has one, but I don't think they're really kind of including him in the whole like five points.
01:18:31
ryanzymler
So I heard something about how, or I saw something about how his, he has symbolism all over his clothes.
01:18:42
ryanzymler
Like he has like the evil eye on his sweater. It's just like in the designs, like, you know, Marvel loves to do that shit.
01:18:47
Uxy
Okay, and then I'll be the one to pay attention from then.
01:18:50
ryanzymler
Yeah, the the first, well, and so anyways.
01:18:56
ryanzymler
Yeah, well, when they come into the house, one of them says like, oh, we also have our amulets. And I was like, wait, they all have amulets? And so that was like when I clocked it the first time.
01:19:05
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
01:19:06
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
01:19:08
ryanzymler
So yeah, we see Layla's Lila's ah Lila's ah hallucination, which is basically just her kind of freaking out.
01:19:17
ryanzymler
I don't remember what hers was about.
01:19:19
Uxy
you is It was like, they were dressed in like, because remember, she makes that comment in the beginning that she hated being able to predict tragedies because she got ran out of town each and every single time for a birthday in tragedy.
01:19:28
ryanzymler
Right.
01:19:30
Uxy
So these are like people dressed in like those villager days when she lived. So it was like a callback to either a memory, you see the figure of like death coming in behind the person that she's hallucinating.
01:19:41
Uxy
You do kind of learn a little bit more and I didn't piece it together until you started making a comment about Jennifer being really bad at her job. But like, If you think about it, before she joined the Witches Road, she's being sued for all of these issues with her products because they're not very great and they're actually not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
01:19:54
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:19:58
Uxy
So you can get this like sense that she isn't really great. You know that she's bound somehow. So maybe that's what affects like her magic or her potion making. And then when she hallucinates, you see that she's, I didn't understand it until I kind of thought about it in a more nuanced way, considering like how old these women are supposed to be or portrayed as.
01:20:15
Uxy
And like her hallucination with the doctor and like him drowning her.
01:20:18
ryanzymler
Yeah, I don't know. I didn't understand that.
01:20:21
Uxy
So if you think about it, if she's really that old and she's doing these like potions to give to people like she is in modern day, what if like he was helping like the underprivileged back in the day when like people of color didn't really have access to like medical care or anything like that.
01:20:28
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:20:36
ryanzymler
Yeah. Still. Yeah.
01:20:36
Uxy
So she was like helping those that were underprivileged and she's working with this white doctor.
01:20:40
Uxy
Patients aren't maybe like reacting the way so he kills her for it or tries to kill her for it.
01:20:40
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:20:44
ryanzymler
I can't wait to find out. Yeah.
01:20:47
Uxy
Yeah.
01:20:48
ryanzymler
i I like that idea too because, or like, you know, she's actually healing the things that he's supposed to be doing or something.
01:20:56
Uxy
Well yeah, outper performing, and maybe he binds her.
01:20:56
ryanzymler
So, yeah. So we, that's Jennifer's hallucination, Alice Wu-Goliver,
01:21:07
ryanzymler
has a hallucination of her mom who we learn died on the witch's road. there is some type of curse that's following them. them. And ah Agatha's hallucination is what we learned to be true that she sold her she sold her son Nick Scratch to whomever four for her to get the dark hold.
01:21:33
ryanzymler
is the the book of the damned that corrupts her. And there's some theories that that's what the callback in season, in the first, in, I'm sorry, in WandaVision, that when they show her being confronted by her sister witches, by her coven, that that's why they decide to turn against her because she has sold her child. She's done like the darkest thing possible to access the darkest magic possible.
01:22:02
ryanzymler
And yeah. So there were a couple of things that I noticed that we skipped over, because before they get to the hallucinations, all that stuff, there's a moment where Jennifer Kale is goes up to teen and says, like be careful with Agatha. And he's you know he's like weirdly defensive of her. And that's when we learned that she sold her son Nick Scratch for the Book of the Damned.
01:22:29
Shauna _she_her_
Wait,
Discussion on Nicholas Scratch and Character Theories
01:22:29
Shauna _she_her_
her son's Nick Scratch? Wait.
01:22:30
ryanzymler
Her son is Nick Scratch, yeah.
01:22:33
Shauna _she_her_
Oh, I didn't realize that detail. OK, fair.
01:22:36
ryanzymler
Agatha's son is Nick Scratch, which is also a nickname for the devil. But the
01:22:42
Shauna _she_her_
Right. And that's where like isn't like like the cat's name too?
01:22:45
Uxy
No the rabbit.
01:22:46
ryanzymler
rabbit's name is Mr.
01:22:46
Shauna _she_her_
And or the rabbit. OK, yeah.
01:22:48
ryanzymler
Scratchy. Senor Scratchy. So yeah, they they start going through these hallucinations and what we learned from Jennifer Kale is that after all of these horrible things happen, the end result is death. And once they drank the wine, there was a 30-minute timer that started and that was the understood countdown clock. So after they all get through their hallucinations and they all bring their different ingredients while
01:23:19
ryanzymler
Jennifer is brewing it in a sink and it starts turning all these colors and they're talking about all the colors that they, you know, they can't tell the difference between like what is chartreuse and what's cerulean and same.
01:23:30
Shauna _she_her_
I also struggle actually only I know cerulean just because of Pokemon but other than them Hmm
01:23:34
ryanzymler
Correct, cerulean city, yup.
01:23:35
Uxy
I thought you were about to say Devil Wears Prada.
01:23:38
ryanzymler
No, also Ryan did pick up on that.
01:23:39
Uxy
That whole monologue about Cerulean.
01:23:43
ryanzymler
The, So the final ingredient is that they have to put in the a piece of their hair of those that have been affected. And there's this moment where, because Agatha drank her wine late, because she tried to skip it, and very Jumanji, like when the kid cheats in Jumanji and he gets a tail,
01:24:11
ryanzymler
But she tries to cheat the road, and there's this you know really kind of telling moment where apparently there's some theories that she never walked the road the first time. But basically, you know she tries to cheat. She buys in. And so they get this potion going, and they can't figure out how to finalize it. And Agatha has this talk with Jennifer Kael about she like kind of reminds her like you're a bad bitch like they took your powers but you're still a witch you can do this and that's when she realizes she needs the blood of an unpoisoned person which is teen because teen is underage and they didn't let him drink the wine. Quick thought when
01:25:01
ryanzymler
When they're confronting Agatha about not drinking, they, he, teen steps up and he says, I'll do it. And she like slaps his hand and she says, no, like she's very defensive of him, which does kind of like, yeah, it does kind of lend some credence to him possibly being her son.
01:25:14
Uxy
protect you.
01:25:22
ryanzymler
Question mark, question mark.
01:25:25
Uxy
I mean, they there is a lot of red herrings that they put in to like, try and because I mean the whole the whole reason they call him teen I think also is because even before it was revealed that he was going to be playing a character called teen, the internet went wild and they're like, Oh, this is Billy for sure.
01:25:41
Uxy
And so then it's just I think to piss off, you know,
01:25:42
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:25:44
Uxy
people even more to like not give the exact answer. So like putting a bunch of red hair into like, no, this could potentially be Nicholas scratch. Or is it?
01:25:52
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:25:53
Uxy
There's so many him be disappointed finding out that she actually did sell her son for the book or thinking he's like, no, it's not true.
01:25:53
ryanzymler
Right.
01:25:59
Uxy
her starting to show this like maternal instinct towards him to protect him even like before they all find out that he has a sigil on him she like prevents him from introducing himself so they don't see the sigil and like still kind of keeps him under her wing and like very mama bear protective until she can figure it out and either realize i think she also it's trying to make it seem like she thinks that this could be nicholas scratch potentially i don't think her mind immediately on like wanda's kids
01:26:06
ryanzymler
Mm hmm.
01:26:22
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:26:25
ryanzymler
Yeah. There was also a moment when Jennifer was telling Teen about Agatha, and she says she wouldn't recognize her own son if he showed up at her doorstep.
01:26:31
Shauna _she_her_
Hmm.
01:26:41
Uxy
Right.
01:26:42
ryanzymler
which was all very, that is like, that that makes me think back to WandaVision when Ralph Boners shows up at Wanda's doorstep.
01:26:52
Uxy
Oh yeah, as Pietro, not Pietro.
01:26:55
ryanzymler
Yeah, as Phyatro. Yeah.
01:26:58
Uxy
That's right.
01:27:00
ryanzymler
So,
01:27:02
ryanzymler
Oh, the other note, when Alice Wu-Goliver is talking about where she got her protection spell tattoo, she says, i got it I got it when I was like 13. And his response was, a lot happened to me at 13 too.
01:27:18
Uxy
There's more in that scene right there that you just said. So when he asks her where she got it from, she says that she got it in the, what?
01:27:22
ryanzymler
that
01:27:26
ryanzymler
Nowhere. I know. for her first response is nowhere and both Shauna and I were like what a not at all suspicious thing to say yeah
01:27:35
Uxy
Right, like specific place of like, oh, this isn't I got it in Red Rocks, california Colorado, um when she was traveling with like her mom, which in the comic board comic book lore of Nicholas Scratch, he is actually like the person who creates New Salem, where the Salem Seven actually originate from, who are all Agatha's like great great-grandchildren or her grandchildren, derived from Nicholas Scratch who, like, six them on Agatha as, like, revenge, and they are located, like, in the Rocky Mountains, which is, like, it's very interesting, these little tiny details that they're putting in, because then it, like, makes you question, like, is Alice apart?
01:28:14
Uxy
of the Salem Seven, or is her mom a part of the Salem Seven maybe?
01:28:16
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
01:28:17
Uxy
If she died on the road, maybe disappeared on the road, and maybe she was plucked up by a demon, perhaps Nicholas Scratch or Mephisto.
01:28:23
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
01:28:26
Uxy
Like, it's just like, there's so many, like, different things that they're adding in to try and, like, pivot to Nicholas Scratch there somehow.
01:28:26
ryanzymler
Mm-hmm.
01:28:27
Shauna _she_her_
No.
01:28:32
Shauna _she_her_
Well, because I think it's a very common like, Oh, I lost my child in this demonic way. Oh, they're not actually dead.
01:28:39
ryanzymler
Great.
01:28:40
Shauna _she_her_
They're just now evil. I think is the more likely like, I think we do see Nicholas scratch at some point, but I don't think it's going to be the teen.
01:28:41
Uxy
Yes.
01:28:48
Shauna _she_her_
I think he's just going to show up eventually.
01:28:51
Uxy
And that's going to be a huge mindfuck for Agnes, probably, is like seeing her own son more than likely being taken out by like her arch nemesis' son, because it's evidently all her fault because she gave him up, essentially.
01:28:52
ryanzymler
i like
01:29:06
ryanzymler
Right. I don't know if you lowkey told on your, uh, told, said who it is, but you just said something about her son being taken.
01:29:12
Uxy
No.
01:29:14
ryanzymler
Okay. Got it. okay.
01:29:15
Uxy
No, no, no, that's not a plot detail at all. I'm just saying like, that's just like, it just, that's what it seems like they're trying to like build up on.
01:29:18
Shauna _she_her_
OK.
01:29:23
ryanzymler
Yeah, so the the the as the I guess kind of trying to wrap up episode three and and thoughts or particular moments, they all drink the potion, they're getting down to the very last second and they realize they have to give it to Mrs. Hart.
01:29:46
ryanzymler
And so they run over and, you know, pour the the the antidote into her mouth and the timer goes off. And they're all still alive. And they're like, oh, we did it.
01:29:57
ryanzymler
Except we learned that Mrs. Hart has died.
01:30:01
Shauna _she_her_
They were late.
01:30:02
ryanzymler
RIP Sharon. Not fair. And I just looked at IMDB. She's only listed for three episodes.
01:30:08
Uxy
Oh.
01:30:09
ryanzymler
She's not coming back.
01:30:11
Shauna _she_her_
You know what?
01:30:11
Uxy
I didn't see that.
01:30:12
Shauna _she_her_
That's, you know, it's stakes. It's, it's easy stakes. And it gets an older actress in W Joe Rob. Like they're like, okay, you're, we're good here.
01:30:24
Shauna _she_her_
You did your part.
01:30:27
ryanzymler
Yeah, and it...
01:30:28
Shauna _she_her_
It was, you know, in the comedic, you know, having that comedic aspect to those first three episodes, I think, and having someone now things are really starting to get serious. They realize that they can't fuck around in the same way.
01:30:38
ryanzymler
Yes.
01:30:43
ryanzymler
So... the Oh, Ooxie mentioned the Salem Seven, who we were also introduced to at the end of episode two. They are pursuing Agatha. We don't really know why. We know that agatsha Agatha has done some bad shit in her life. Rio Vidal calls her a calls her a witch killer.
01:31:05
ryanzymler
Agnes, or I'm sorry, Jennifer Kael refers to teens. She says, who is this, another child sacrifice? So like everyone knows that Agatha has fucked up. And so there's also a really interesting dynamic there. Any other thoughts from episode three before I get to the questions from the internet that we got?
01:31:26
ryanzymler
any We don't know anything about episode four yet, but any general theories on what's to come?
01:31:37
Uxy
Well, we get Aubrey in this next episode.
01:31:39
ryanzymler
She comes back.
01:31:40
Uxy
So as a trade off, we get we Mrs. Davis has to you know die in order for Rio to come into the story somehow.
01:31:48
Shauna _she_her_
I didn't realize that. I totally didn't know. I didn't pay enough attention in the previews, so I'm excited that we're getting more Opry Plaza.
01:31:53
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:31:57
ryanzymler
Yeah, she'll be back.
01:31:57
Shauna _she_her_
So good for us.
01:31:57
Uxy
Yeah, like in a preview it seems like she appears and they all looked the way that they looked at the end of this episode, just like very disheveled, very much like we just picked ourselves up off the ground.
01:32:08
Uxy
And then I don't know where comes Rio. And it's like, I wonder how she got in there. I think it's the 70s episode that we get this next one.
01:32:13
ryanzymler
Yeah. Well, she's a nerd.
01:32:16
Uxy
So this will be an Alice all Alice who focused episode with her trial.
Theories and Predictions for Future Episodes
01:32:22
Uxy
Because you kind of get a hint of that when she hallucinates with her mom.
01:32:24
Shauna _she_her_
She fire Okay One
01:32:26
Uxy
I think so.
01:32:26
ryanzymler
yeah
01:32:27
Uxy
Yes.
01:32:28
ryanzymler
blood witch too
01:32:28
Uxy
it protection Yeah, the that protection blood witch or something like that.
01:32:32
ryanzymler
Yeah, she's the tank. So, and also there's something about the humors and the archetypes that Sean and I have been talking about over and over again about how they show up in different properties. But, so one of the questions that we got was how do you think Rio will pop back up, which we just talked about the whole black heart bit seemed a bit more obvious, but seems like it might be teen that is him, that is the black black heart.
01:32:58
ryanzymler
Speculations about the identity of teen. I think we've kind of shared those that maybe it's Nick Scratch.
01:33:05
Uxy
I never thought about him being Blackheart.
01:33:07
ryanzymler
maybe
01:33:09
ryanzymler
yeah i mean they Marvel loves a good bait and switch.
01:33:15
Uxy
Yeah.
01:33:15
ryanzymler
so Exactly. It could be her, Agatha's heart. It could be Agatha's black heart that she drew, not real Vidal's black heart. Like her, her child is her heart and she gave him up. So it could be he's a combination of both. Someone, some theories are that Nick Scratch is riding along with Billy Kaplan, who is believed to be the teen.
01:33:42
ryanzymler
I don't think we've said his name. Billy Kaplan is Wanda's son's name.
01:33:45
Shauna _she_her_
Once early, but yeah.
01:33:47
ryanzymler
Yeah. But I think one of my favorite questions is, if you could have a witch from any other property join Agatha's universe, who would it be?
01:33:55
Shauna _she_her_
Astrologue.
01:33:59
ryanzymler
Who would you like to see join Agatha's coven?
01:34:02
Uxy
Prue, Halliwell
01:34:04
ryanzymler
Ugh! Justice for Prue.
01:34:07
Uxy
Justice for Prue.
01:34:07
ryanzymler
Yes.
01:34:09
Uxy
RIP Shannon Doherty
01:34:11
ryanzymler
RIP, Shannon Doherty says we miss you.
01:34:15
ryanzymler
Joanna, who's that?
01:34:18
Shauna _she_her_
She is the child that John Constantine sends to hell and ultimately then becomes sort comes into her own as a witch and as a powerful magical user.
01:34:24
ryanzymler
Oh.
01:34:32
ryanzymler
Very cool.
01:34:33
Shauna _she_her_
And she is amazing and yeah would fit in very well.
01:34:39
ryanzymler
Willow Rosenberg, I think, very, I would love to see Willow kicking it with the girls. You know, just to add to the gay representation, we need, we need a nice, calm, scary, terrifying, powerful witch.
01:34:55
ryanzymler
So, one yes, hello, but not getting re-liked.
01:34:56
Shauna _she_her_
and someone who's actually gay on screen.
01:34:59
Uxy
yeah
01:35:00
ryanzymler
whereas Aubrey Plaza is by in real life.
01:35:01
Shauna _she_her_
Just saying.
01:35:05
ryanzymler
So we are getting a little bit of both.
01:35:10
ryanzymler
Uxie, your significant other asked, who do you think Teen and Blackheart really are? Which was obviously just to troll me. And where is Mephisto?
01:35:18
Uxy
Yeah, they told him.
01:35:21
Shauna _she_her_
i like
01:35:21
ryanzymler
He wants to know where's Mephisto.
01:35:23
Shauna _she_her_
and
01:35:24
ryanzymler
We don't know. But Ray asked about if Agatha my might be on to a teen being her son, like she's why she's so protective of him. So do you think she has a ah sense yet? Do you think she knows who he is, I guess is my question.
01:35:46
Uxy
I think that she thinks that she knows who he is because like they're putting a lot of symbolism on him in this show with like showing his bedroom when he when she's like so hallucinating, his like bedrooms, and like whatever achievement or whatever.
01:35:49
ryanzymler
Right.
01:36:00
Uxy
So like there's clearly a love there. You see how like her like the acting that she does portraying herself like thinking her baby's in the crib and then like being super upset about it to them or turning around and just being like, whoa, they can't see me like this.
01:36:12
ryanzymler
She goes off.
01:36:16
Uxy
So like, I think that she genuinely thinks that it might be him, but but because she is so guarded and her wall is up, she's still kind of coming in it from like an approach that's like, let me be careful before I fuck myself over
01:36:27
ryanzymler
Softer. Yeah. yeah. And so, uh, the same person pointed out that when Wanda, when they find out that Sparky died in WandaVision, and the kids are like, bring him back, bring him back. And Agatha says, you can do that? That it seemed a little too aware.
01:36:55
Uxy
yeah
01:36:55
Shauna _she_her_
Like maybe, ooh, that's I think a theory that I have thinking that, that she's going to get the choice between her power and her son and she chooses her son.
01:36:55
ryanzymler
And
01:37:05
ryanzymler
Mmm. I, that would surprise me. I think that would be a huge departure from...
01:37:11
Uxy
Yeah No, you need a And they need to redeem her somehow because they introduced her to us in the MCU as a villain when she's not known as a villain notoriously in the comic book.
01:37:11
Shauna _she_her_
but i well and Or maybe that it's just that the choice that she's gonna get this.
01:37:16
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:37:21
ryanzymler
Right.
01:37:24
Uxy
So they have to give her a redeeming quality of sorts because she knows there is no more Darkhold.
01:37:27
ryanzymler
Sure.
01:37:29
Uxy
So she isn't here.
01:37:29
ryanzymler
Right.
01:37:30
Shauna _she_her_
She still gets her magic anyways.
01:37:32
Uxy
Yeah, so she's aware that she's not going to get a book again at the end, or that if she gets power, it's not going to be the same type of power again, she still has her ability to like sap magic from other I mean, we saw that at the beginning from them trying to open the road.
01:37:32
ryanzymler
Of course, it feels so dramatic.
01:37:45
Uxy
So she still has that gift.
01:37:46
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:37:47
Uxy
So she can get power at any time. So she's clearly after something completely different in this in this iteration of her going through the road.
01:37:54
ryanzymler
Yeah. And that made me think, so just, do you all have any other overarching theories? And for me, I will say that one of my original theories that now I'm of course left with questions is that, teen is Billy and Billy wants Billy's wish when he gets to the end of the road is resurrecting Wanda.
01:38:17
ryanzymler
And that's how we get that back. And, you know, but now I'm feeling less certain about it. do you all make theories?
01:38:24
Shauna _she_her_
I don't dislike it.
01:38:26
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:38:26
Shauna _she_her_
No, I think that I think I like that they're going to all grapple with getting their lost, you know, love back.
01:38:35
ryanzymler
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Looks small.
01:38:39
Uxy
I mean, I think this is a great second part to what?
01:38:41
Shauna _she_her_
From the spoilers you've read.
01:38:45
Shauna _she_her_
It's from the spoilers you've read the.
01:38:48
Uxy
yeah but It's literally just a picture of a freaking Funko Pop that I saw and it's like look no I know who these people are so like my theory crafting has just gone off the wall but with that being said I'm not going to say anything in terms I'm just excited for this being a good middle ground because we know that Vision Quest is coming and it's already been like known that this is a three-part story in three different
01:38:54
Shauna _she_her_
yeah
01:39:13
ryanzymler
I feel like they didn't start saying that until recently, though.
01:39:17
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, because I that is this is news to me.
01:39:17
Uxy
But because, again, Marvel reassessed themselves, they checked to themselves, and they said, OK, do what works. And that's what Bob Iger said, too. Focus on what works. WandaVision worked. Their storytelling worked. So for them seeing these popular characters in the show, knowing they could be successful off of it, people asking these questions like, where's Vision? Where's Vision? Bring Vision back. Everyone's petitioning for like the young Avengers and all that shit. So this is a great like plot point to seeing of like okay if Agathol along really does so well by the end of this like it's a fucking hole in one for vision quest for them to complete this story of this family of Wanda and vision and their children which is already so incredibly nuanced in the comic books
01:40:01
Uxy
They have like their own way of telling it through the MCU in a completely different lens, so like I'm just very hopeful that it ends on a way that they can continue on furthermore with bringing Tommy back and bringing Vision back, or some iteration or form, and then at the end of it all we get Mother Goddess Wanda back.
01:40:16
ryanzymler
and
01:40:22
ryanzymler
right Okay, I do have some follow-up questions for you, but I'm not gonna ask them. you're quite Your Halloween costumes, what what's that note in there?
01:40:32
Shauna _she_her_
Oh, I was thinking because the comment that we had made at the time was the like dressing as like the different witches of the coven for Halloween and I would be like.
01:40:36
ryanzymler
Oh, yeah.
01:40:41
ryanzymler
Yeah, I'm definitely Agatha because I already tried to be Agatha and I need a redemption.
01:40:48
Shauna _she_her_
Get that yeah.
01:40:49
ryanzymler
RIP my terrible fucking 2022-2021 Halloween costume. I tried. I really thought I had a, I think that was 21. Doesn't matter.
01:41:00
Uxy
You tried.
01:41:02
ryanzymler
yeah. And, uh, Uxy did we say you would be?
01:41:07
Uxy
Not Patti LuPone, because apparently James ended up being Patti LuPone.
01:41:10
ryanzymler
James is Fatty LuPone. Absolutely. James is Fatty LuPone.
01:41:13
Uxy
I'd probably be not Patti LuPone.
01:41:14
Shauna _she_her_
not but i like how the answer was not patty laon
01:41:16
ryanzymler
Great.
01:41:17
Shauna _she_her_
yes
01:41:19
ryanzymler
You'd be,
01:41:19
Uxy
I'd probably be like Teen or Alice Wu. I mean, there's the only two. I don't think I'm Jennifer Kao.
01:41:26
ryanzymler
You don't think so? You're a skincare girly, though.
01:41:29
Uxy
Not lately.
01:41:31
ryanzymler
Yeah, I won't.
01:41:32
Uxy
I don't have that like, I don't know, she has like this way about her that's very much like, when I know my shit, I know my shit and I'm not gonna like, and I love her that way.
01:41:32
ryanzymler
And...
01:41:39
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:41:40
Shauna _she_her_
Not, I like how the answer was not Patti LuPone.
01:41:41
Uxy
So that's why I'm very laissez-blas like Alice Wu is.
01:41:42
ryanzymler
Yeah, but you should could be. Lazy blonde.
01:41:45
Uxy
Or I'm sorry, laissez-blas.
01:41:48
ryanzymler
plus you're definitely the tank. the, and then of course we assigned Shauna as Mrs. Heart solely because in the Ballad of the Witches Road, when they're all going down, down, and it's like in a round, Mrs. Heart is holding onto their hands and just jumping up and down, having no idea what's going on.
01:42:08
ryanzymler
And if that's not Shauna in a nutshell, I don't know what is.
01:42:12
Uxy
Am I supposed to know this song?
01:42:16
ryanzymler
She's just happy to be here.
01:42:18
Uxy
She's happy to be invited.
01:42:19
Shauna _she_her_
I'm going to get the it's the like the booty shorts, the though, but again, but also getting to dress as Aubrey Plaza, though, like with that like detective outfit, as I'm saying is like both are both are maybe that's like a may I get a costume change and I go from one to the other midway through to represent change.
01:42:28
ryanzymler
Vary that. Oh, vary that.
01:42:36
ryanzymler
Oh yeah, we can do the variations of them.
01:42:36
Uxy
Yeah.
01:42:38
Shauna _she_her_
That's I think that's clear.
01:42:39
Uxy
They get different costume changes through the trials.
01:42:42
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:42:42
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, I think that I think that's really the answer. And so starting out with like a little like booty shorts and like a floral like crappie, yeah, like really like slut out fucking Mrs.
01:42:53
ryanzymler
Mrs.
01:42:53
Shauna _she_her_
Hart.
01:42:53
ryanzymler
Hart. Yeah. So speaking of, what a great way to come to our final point of the episode.
Debate: Who's the Hottest Character in 'Agatha All Along'?
01:43:02
ryanzymler
Who is the hottest character on Agatha all along?
01:43:08
Uxy
I mean, I'll be positive with that question.
01:43:11
ryanzymler
Okay.
01:43:12
Shauna _she_her_
but I mean, but then again, did Aubrey Plaza get a whole scene that was just her walking and showing off her outfit?
01:43:13
Uxy
I mean, literally failed just for the outfit reveal, which like,
01:43:21
ryanzymler
Yes.
01:43:21
Shauna _she_her_
Also, when we re-watched that, the moment that both me and Ryan, like, we looked at each other, we were like, did you know that that was just for the camera? yeah
01:43:34
Shauna _she_her_
Yeah, and like, we were just so at the ready to be like, I bet everyone else, like, and
01:43:38
ryanzymler
i yeah Yeah, I hope everyone else doesn't know this so I can share it but instead actually just Shawn and I, everyone knows it and Shawn and I have to share it. It was great.
01:43:47
Shauna _she_her_
But we got to do it. Yeah, but we got to share that instead.
01:43:49
ryanzymler
It was a great and brain movement.
01:43:51
Shauna _she_her_
And isn't that more important?
01:43:53
ryanzymler
That's true. who do you think is the hottest, Shawna?
01:43:54
Shauna _she_her_
and
01:43:56
Shauna _she_her_
it's It's it's every plaza.
01:43:58
ryanzymler
It's Aubrey Plaza. I'm sorry.
01:43:59
Shauna _she_her_
It's just it's every plaza like it's just like, again, sometimes just like with, you know, wi sometimes the obvious answer is obvious and that's not a bad thing.
01:44:00
ryanzymler
It's a Fritz Bernays.
01:44:08
ryanzymler
Right. Right.
01:44:09
Shauna _she_her_
You know, like, which is still going to be my guess.
01:44:10
ryanzymler
Yeah. It's Aubrey Plaza.
01:44:12
Shauna _she_her_
Move it. You like, yeah, every plaza is the hottest and it's probably Wanda's kid.
01:44:18
ryanzymler
There it is. Thanks for joining us on this episode.
01:44:20
Shauna _she_her_
Spoilers off.
01:44:22
ryanzymler
Yeah.
01:44:23
Shauna _she_her_
it
01:44:23
Uxy
No.
01:44:23
ryanzymler
Thanks for joining us on this episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit. Check us out on Instagram at realhotnerdpod. We'll link our Instagrams and the bios if we feel like it.
01:44:36
ryanzymler
Shauna, anything exciting or cool that you want to say or share?
01:44:40
Shauna _she_her_
No, i'm I'm feeling great. yeah Just come and follow us, check us out.
01:44:43
ryanzymler
Excited.
01:44:45
Shauna _she_her_
We have a lot of fun doing this, and I hope you enjoy listening to it even half as much as we have doing it.
01:44:52
ryanzymler
very much so. Thanks Uxie for joining us. We will catch you all next time.
01:44:58
Uxy
Adios!