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Breaking News about the Clone Wars, High Republic, plus we talk aftermath of TROS and #AskTheGals
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Welcome to episode twenty two of The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren discuss their predictions and theories that did or didn't come true. Also talk a little bit of breaking news.
As always, please like, share and subscribe to the podcast where available. Follow us on twitter @theGALacticpod. For more episodes and awesome geek content please visit dgtradeco.com. And remember, the force will be with you, always.
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Introduction and Welcome
00:00:08
Speaker
No more yelling about Palpatine. Hi, hello, everyone. Welcome to the Galactic Podcast. I am Lauren Romo. With me, as always, is my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Gutierrez. What up? What's going on, Ang? I'm chilling. Chilling? Yep. I got my Galactic Pod hoodie. Love it. It's my kids I stole from them. Merch, people. DJJCO.com. We got merch. We got merch.
00:00:37
Speaker
Alright, so this is your first time listening to us. Welcome. We are a Star Wars podcast that discuss anything and everything within the galaxy far, far away. In each episode we'll dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. The topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, specific characters, you name it. We talk about
Clone Wars Return Announcement
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it. Adria, Lauren. Alright, we're gonna
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Speaker
Start with a little bit of discussion of semi-breaking news from what we got. So recently it was announced that the Clone Wars is coming back, a date of February 17th. How exciting. I'm very excited for this. I'm excited to see what happens, how they wrap that up. It's going to be amazing. I'm excited. Do you think these are going to be fresh, fresh episodes, freshy, freshies?
00:01:28
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I would think so. So, like, my point is, is because I'm reading Dark Disciple right now. Okay. And that is pretty much God, so damn good. I told you, it's a good book, man. It's so good. Really good book. Do you think any of that's gonna get incorporated?
00:01:42
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I think mentions, maybe, but I don't think we won't see any of it. That's all cut in the episodes. Right, and we talked about this way back when. That was supposed to be originally an arc. That's supposed to be her arc. And just because the show got canceled, they never did it, so they wrote in a
'Dark Disciple' Influence on Clone Wars
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book. And there you go. It's so good.
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It really is. And this is why that book, I liked the size before like that book, but man, she turned into my, one of my all time faves in that book. It's great. Yeah. Um, but I'm excited. We should be getting a trailer sometime soon. I would think cause exciting. Yeah. Um, but yeah, February 17th, I'm excited. We'll be watching it. I think it's just a one, one weaker.
00:02:29
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Okay. I think if I read that correctly, so that's cool. Every Monday or Sunday it's getting worse. Yeah, because I think the 17th set of Mondays is going to be every Monday, which is cool. So yeah, I'm excited. We're pumped up for that.
00:02:41
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Some other small break. Are you rewatching any? I did. Actually, I just started rewatching the Clone Wars. I just started. Which order are you watching? Chronologically. Chronological? Yeah. I just keep grabbing episodes I want to see, so. That makes sense. I mean, I mean, there's so many. Like, I watched Immortus Arc recently just because. Just because. Why did you watch it? Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.
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Man the last the Yoda ones and the I watched you know what I watched that very last one of him that was that's good stuff So good good stuff. Yeah, there's so much. I can't wait to see what they do But so now the other news that we got comes from a little not little I don't want a little it's big they're big time making Star Wars Jason Ward and
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throughout an article that he has been writing along with sites like John Holley's Star Wars Newsnet.
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They write a lot about many things, and Jason has been writing many, many times. He had got information that the next set of movies, for the next set of what's happening in the saga, or not the saga, but what's happening in the Star Wars universe,
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is going to take place in an era called the High Republic.
High Republic Era Films and Concerns
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And it's roughly 300 to 400 years pre everything we know. So pre the prequels, you know, all that stuff.
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So and it sounds like what they're doing is going to start connecting things very similar to Marvel from what I read in that article. Yes. They're going to start using like comic books, video games to kind of connect things. And then the movies will be a part of that. Yes. The movies aren't going to drive things. It's going to be a part of this whole bigger narrative. Right. Which I'm excited for.
00:04:32
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He talked a little bit about Project Luminous. Yeah, so and then Project Luminous is a part of this because this is I think that project is the driving force of what these future, like the continuity of books, comics, games, movies.
00:04:49
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So it sounds like, um, what we're going to get from that article is a video game first to kind of start it off, which I'm very, obviously I'm very, very big in video games. I played Jedi fallen order, which is awesome. I'll do a whole review on that eventually, but that is exciting for me because now they're bringing video games into tied stuff in. Yeah. Um, and then it sounds like what the story is going to be about are these Jedi,
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that are going to the Unknown Regions and, you know, run into different situations and everything. So it sounds very adventurous, very Star Wars. It sounds great. It's, you know, reminds me of just the stories that you read in the novels, like in, you know, Master and Apprentice and, and all of that. It's just incorporating all that stuff. Right. It should be sweet.
00:05:35
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Yeah, so very excited for that news. It's going to sound sounds awesome. Should be getting probably a lot of details, more details coming probably within the next. How do you like the timeline? I'm OK with it. I mean, I wish farther back because for me, I don't want any mention of what we know. I don't want anything. Now, I know right now, if it is between the three, four hundred years, Yoda could be in it.
00:06:03
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I'm okay with that, but what I don't want to happen is that that character be a major point in this new move. You don't want Yoda to be a main character. I love to see him, I love to see him, whatever he's doing, give me little pieces of it, but I don't want him to be a major, major character. I think he will be though.
00:06:27
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and say, I don't want him. I mean, he's the head of the Jedi council and he's Yoda. Right. No, I get it. And I understand he's a great character and I, I'm excited to see him as a younger, younger Jedi and all that stuff. But I don't, I guess the, for me, the crutch of having him in there, I just, I don't, I want new, I want people that we don't know, things we have never seen. So then my expectations and many fans expectations are totally,
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Like, blank. I'm gonna say this. Mandalorian.
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Okay, so kind of felt the same way about it. We didn't want the Mandalorian to be Boba Fett. We didn't want it to be a main character. But every time there's a tie-in or something that's nostalgic to Star Wars, it allows me to enjoy it a little bit more. I get you. Because it feels familiar. And I'm sorry, when we saw that the child was a Yoda, quote, unquote, Yoda, I mean, people lost their minds.
00:07:29
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I think there will be a lot of tie-ins and I think there will be things that we're familiar with. Okay. And I do think that Yoda might be a main character just because it's just... I get that. Yeah,
Desire for Fresh Star Wars Narratives
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I get what you're saying. It's what grips people. Yeah, I mean...
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especially with your kind of casual fans, your general audience, you have to have something that they're familiar with so they can say, oh, he was in that. I want to go see that. I get it. I get it for me. I guess for me, I am so sick of the discourse going on because of I think what
00:08:11
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what has happened is that we're so familiar with all these characters that we all have these expectations and this is what's happening now. Yeah. You know, people are either like it or love it. They're, you know, they're going at each other. That's why I want totally new. And that's why I'm really excited for it. Cause now we can, everybody, everybody can go in with like,
00:08:32
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Zero expectations. Yeah. Zero expectations. I can see that. Because how do you, I don't know, you don't know, nobody else knows these characters, their names. Some people pretend to know. Well, exactly, I know. But we will all be in the theaters with these new movies and these new characters in awe, very similar to like 1977. Yeah. Where nobody knew what Star Wars was, nobody knew who Luke was, Han, Leia.
00:09:00
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Vader, Chewbacca, nobody knew these characters and they fell in love with them. That is what I'm hoping for this new, these new movies, these new characters will do for a new generation. I just think it's impossible to do with Star Wars. Doesn't mean that you keep it fresh and tell new types of stories and create new characters, but I think there will always be that feeling of I want to feel the familiar. Yeah.
00:09:30
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Yeah, I get you. I get you. Even if people hate it, they still want to see it. That's true.
Disney's Handling of Star Wars
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You're very right on that. No, you're 100% right. Could you imagine if you had, like, I mean, you want to see a lightsaber, you know? And I get that. And I'm fine with, like, lightsabers and blasters. Like, keep all that in there. I'm fine. I'm fine with it. But just don't give me, like, yo, don't rely on a character that everybody's familiar with to really push that narrative.
00:09:59
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I mean, think about it. There wasn't like a main character that we were familiar with. Exactly. And that was amazing. Right. I mean, you know, Princess Leia showed up every once in a while. You saw Vader and it was cool. Yeah. But it didn't. The new characters really drove that story. And that's what I want. Yeah. And that's what I want. I feel like I don't like I don't want them to, like I said, rely on old things.
00:10:23
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Be Rebels, be that show where you push the narrative with all these new characters, but you have that nostalgia, similarities, and familiarity with, yeah, right. But now, what's better is that now we're so far ahead of all this, all these other events that we know happened within the Skywalker saga, it's all gonna be brand new, which is exciting, which is very exciting for me, so.
00:10:46
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All right. Anyway, that's that's my speech for the day but last thoughts on that you Yeah, I Definitely want to go back in time and the Star Wars universe. Yeah. No me too I I mean forward would be cool But I'm glad we're going back cuz I I would love to be honest and I tweeted this out a while ago I would love to
00:11:10
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a movie or trilogy of the dyad connection like the first one yeah directed by ryan johnson give me it yeah give me it because he obviously he can he does well with that type of um or yeah give it to me that's what i would love but that i would hope would be like you're talking thousands of years now we're only like three four which is fine three hundred four hundred that's still perfect
00:11:33
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yeah you know it's not old republic but it's older to where we have no idea who these characters are um there was a reference in the article that at this point in time they're thinking that the rule of two exists because of bane so then you can pull that type of stuff yeah so like tenon brush should be in there
00:11:54
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and then possibly Plagueis. Who knows, right? That would be sweet. So I mean, so you got, you could, again, that's where your nostalgia, similarities, familiar similarities come into play. But you can pull stuff from the Old Knights of the Republic and maybe even a little bit of EU.
00:12:13
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Do you ever play hide to the old republic? I haven't. I have to. Me either. I've heard it's cool. But I've tried to revisit old games and just been like, nah. No? Yeah. You know what's
Recap of Incorrect Star Wars Predictions
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good is Force Unleashed? Yeah. That was a good game. I liked that game a lot. I liked that game a lot. So, all right. Main topic today.
00:12:32
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The main event. The main event. We're going to talk about our theory's predictions post the Red Skywalkers. Yes. What we got right, what we got wrong, what we liked. What we were way off on. Way off on. So let's dive into it. Okay. Let's dive into what we were way wrong about. Way wrong. So I was hoping
00:12:55
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that Snoke and Palatine were connected. I loved my ring theory, but that sucked as I thought about it. It sucked. I'm glad it didn't happen, but they weren't connected at all.
00:13:11
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Yeah, all our Sith relic theories did not happen. So Kylo's helmet being kind of like a mom and helmet, the dagger being like a mortise dagger, none of that. The smoke ring top. We were way off on that crap. Thank God, because those ideas were kind of lame and we've seen them before. Yeah, true. I mean, yeah, they were lame. I still would have loved it, but
00:13:35
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yeah they were lame as hell so i mean could you hear the emperor's voice like whispering from snoke's ring pot and he listens to it yeah i want a photo of this now it's so weird he puts it on like a charger at night like like an apple watch i like it gets up in the morning how many steps
00:14:01
Speaker
I love all this right now. We were, yeah, so there were, I'm trying to think of the other one that we were talking about was the importance of like the Sith Troopers. I mean, that was. Oh, man. Yeah. That came in. That was nothing. Yeah. Yeah. The Knights of Wren.
00:14:22
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They were there, but that really didn't transpire to anything that we were hoping and or thought about. I think I might have said that, didn't I? Yeah, I think you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of said that, remember they were a big deal in the Force Awakens trailer and they ended up being nada. Yeah, so we were hoping reverse psychology on us, but that didn't.
00:14:39
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Nope, that didn't happen at all. Anything else that you thought that we, that we were totally wrong on at all that you remembered? Cause I was trying to, I was listening to our old, our old stuff. Yeah. When we were talking a little bit about like who Ray was and I came up with like four different theories. One, I was right. Yeah. But I am disappointed that my, uh, that her parents were Han and Kira. You're still mad about that. I'm still mad about it. I really would have liked that.
00:15:09
Speaker
It really would've. I know you would've. It would've been cool. It would've been cool. Write a fanfic, man. Write your fanfic. Man, no. Not gonna be one of those.
00:15:19
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Nothing wrong with fanfic people, nothing wrong with it. Man, I was really hoping for that Han and Kira one. A lot of things would've made sense, you know, her accent, you know, why they did solo, you know, it would've brought Kira more into the saga, like, you know. That's where I hope, that's where I hope Make Solo 2 happens and we get more stories with her, because that would be great.
00:15:40
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The other prediction that we were kind of nervous about and didn't happen was that Ray was possibly a clone from Luke's hand in Empire Strikes Back. Oh, thank God.
00:15:50
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Thank God that didn't happen. That was, I hated that. I said it before, I hated that theory. It was just so lame. I'm glad I didn't come. Yeah, it was lame, but like I did say, it was very sci-fi and out there, so I could've eventually came to terms with it. You know, maybe sometimes I feel like Star Wars needs to go a little weird.
00:16:15
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You know? Yeah, I mean it is. I feel like Rian Johnson went there a little bit with the sea cows and the corgs. It went a little weird and then even in solo, just L3 a little bit and I can't think of the other thing I was thinking of.
00:16:36
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like the rise of Skywalker was a little too straightforward. I agree. I mean, it was, it was, they explained everything to a certain degree. We'll, we'll probably talk about that in a little bit. But yeah, everything was explained. There wasn't really surprises or twists per se. So I mean, I mean, it was fine. It was fine.
00:17:00
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Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that we, that I remember saying that like, Ben's whole reasoning to, you know, turning was because of, you know, maybe he was born dark, he did something that...
00:17:13
Speaker
That never got explained. That was never clear. Yeah. That was definitely, I wrote down as like an unanswered question. And I'm assuming with the comics, we'll probably get answers. Maybe not all the answers, but we'll probably get some answers with this New Run comic. I think it's just going to have to continue to be an assumption because remember, so I was looking at the Rise of Skywalker visual dictionary and the timeline in there
Critique of 'Rise of Skywalker' and Rey's Lineage
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shows that he went to the dark side
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and burnt down the temple in the same year that Han and Leia split. So we always thought that like maybe they split and that he went off. But this shows that that all happened together. So that he must have did it. Maybe that was a big part of it. Yeah. See, and that's where I hope maybe we get stories and we'll get that all explained eventually.
00:18:05
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, again, that's a whole, we'll probably talk about that in a little bit, his whole redemption and everything like that.
00:18:12
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But yeah, I mean, like I said, in a lot of my ideas, like I said, like the Snoke Ring theory was stupid. And I'm glad it didn't come to fruition, but I mean, I was way off. I was way, way, way off. But it's not as stupid as like a wayfinder and a dagger and, you know, and it's almost like two, like the wayfinder and a droid. Like the wayfinder was like their first, like, where are you going to call it wayfinder? Okay.
00:18:41
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We're calling it that. It finds the way. Yeah. Done. That's the name of it. Maybe we should revisit that. Nope. We're going to keep away from it. We're going to keep away from it. Anything else that you?
00:18:58
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So the one thing I'm super bummed about is when we were talking about balancing the forest maybe we were going to kind of learn something new about the forest with the dark and the light and that we were I was hoping that
00:19:17
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Ben and Ray live together, stay alive, and that they are this new influence of the force of being able to have both dark and light. That didn't happen. And the moral of the story was, you defeat the dark,
00:19:35
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You balance the force. Yeah. And I don't like that. Yeah. No, I agree with that. I wish we would have got a little more of like you're saying, like it was a balance because that's always we've been hearing about that for like three. I mean, the whole the entire saga. But these last three movies were really about force balancing, I felt like.
00:19:55
Speaker
It could have been anybody. It lives inside of you. Right. And that's the whole thing. And so let's, um, any last, any last ones that you that jumped out that we were totally wrong on? Nope. No, I think that did I. Did you have any? I remember we said that C-3PO was going to, was, we thought he was going to be the end of them. That didn't happen. He got, he got mind wiped and then he came back.
00:20:22
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We also said that maybe Chewy would die, but he didn't. But he didn't, right. We thought there was going to be a race in Pasana. Yes, I didn't think that. That was no. I thought that the raid training was going to be the beginning of the movie. That was totally wrong.
00:20:40
Speaker
Smashing the Vader helmet was not the end of the movie. We thought that might be a possibility. But yeah, that's kind of the last ones I had for what we got wrong and our theories that were not correct. So let's go into what we got right.
00:20:59
Speaker
Gotta give props for you. Mr. Han Solo did show up. Yes. Not as a force ghost. Not as a force ghost. I did joke around a lot about him being strong with the force and coming back as a force ghost and showing people that the force could be in anybody. That didn't happen. He came back as a memory. But I did say that... He still came back.
00:21:20
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Yeah, that Ben's turn was going to be a parental influence. Yeah, and that was huge. And it was. And it was by both of them, honestly. It was. Yeah. It was Leah and Han that influenced Ben to
00:21:32
Speaker
to come back. Yeah. Cause it was Leah who called out to him. It was Leah that kind of maybe started that process and then it was also heard because Han said your mother's gone, but you know what she stood for. So it was, it was awesome. Yeah. That, and I like I said, I, that was one thing that I did not, I didn't think it was going to happen. I didn't think we would see Harrison Ford again and we did, but how they did it though, like you're saying, it was a memory. It was, it was him. That's how he came back.
00:22:03
Speaker
That was great. That was great. So I owe you pretzel bites. That's extra cheese. I gotta give you extra cheese. I love extra cheese for your pretzel bites. You're really dead. But what you got right was...
00:22:19
Speaker
Race parents, you're always, I had a lot of theories, so I don't know if you can say one of my theories was right. Right, well I always had, my assumption was that she was going to be completely from the Force, like a very Anakin-esque maybe, and the Force, not a chosen one, but she was born Force-sensitive, and then the Force chose her to be this, to be the balance of the Force to Kylo's. Yeah.
00:22:47
Speaker
Well, that didn't happen. No. But you were right, because you have always said that Ray had to be somebody. He had to be a big deal. And it had to be a big deal. And it was. She was the granddaughter of Pelletin.
00:22:59
Speaker
Yeah, so you go back to that one when I said that her first line to BB-8 classified me to Big Secret. Yep, and that's right. And she really was hands down. She was the biggest secret in the universe because if you think Palpatine mainly controlled the galaxy. Right. And that was the secret he was striving for and didn't want to get out. Right. Because he either wanted a Terminator or a user, so. Yeah, either would. Yeah.
00:23:25
Speaker
So, yeah, that was that was pretty true. But we even said we did say in one of our episodes that we kind of didn't like that idea because they had a lot of holes. And the timeline was weird. Yeah. And I still that's probably still the one thing that out of out of that movie, a lot of things I loved. You and I talked about it in our kind of spoiler review.
00:23:51
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A lot of things I loved about the movie overall. The Palpatine stuff is part of the for me missed opportunity or things that I didn't
00:24:07
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I preferred it not to have gone that way. So Palpatine's back. I had no problem with that. You know, it made sense. He has been the Phantom Menace from freaking episode one to episode nine. Get it? Made sense. I get it and I love it like I did. Here's my problem with it. For me, this is just me, the execution of how he came back.
00:24:31
Speaker
how he stay alive, he had a son, like nothing, like nothing was explained. And I get there's a, it's a movie and nothing, not everything can be explained in it. Right. I get it. And that's fine. And we'll, we'll get, we'll get books or comics that will probably fill all, fill the gaps and cool. I'm here for it. Like you and I are both are here for it. We're here to read and all the other, you know, things outside of the movies. What I didn't like is that the execution of it, I'm sorry, in my opinion sucked.
00:25:01
Speaker
Ooh, it did. I think it was just, it was terrible. I liked the scenes that he was in. Ian McDermott did a phenomenal job. Yeah. I loved it. Like I loved having Palpatine back. Yeah. It was great. Yeah. But it just, I didn't feel the execution of it was good. And then you throw in that Ray is a freaking granddaughter of this guy.
00:25:21
Speaker
I don't know where. Yeah. I didn't like it. If he would have came back and Ray was like a creation of his, would you have felt better? Maybe, because that maybe would have... When I mean creation, kind of almost like how he created Snoke. He was creating Force Warriors to whatever, and this one kind of turned on him and went to the light. Yeah.
00:25:41
Speaker
So if that would have happened, that made a little bit more sense. Yeah, I would have been. Yeah. But I think that he was, you know, making babies like babies. And this is the timeline of it, too. Just like way off. Yeah. Way off. Because if you look at.
00:25:58
Speaker
At her age, she's like 19, 20. She's 10 years younger than Ben. To the teen. So when Ben starts in the visual dictionary timeline, when Ben starts training at the Jedi Temple, he's 10, and it's the same year, same year that Rey is born. Right. So again, there's the balance, people. Right. So he started training at the Jedi Temple, maybe some dark side things started coming up through him. Rey is born.
00:26:23
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weird. So that again, but that's the fourth balancing, just like what happens when Vader turns to the dark side.
00:26:31
Speaker
Padme has two twins. How cool would it have been if Palpatine was cooking up babies in this pot and then all of a sudden one popped out that year and it was good. And he was like, what do I do with this one? Fair. Fair. And it escapes and something, something. I think my biggest... But to say grandmother. Yeah, that's my biggest thing. For her to be
00:26:55
Speaker
And I get it doesn't just diminish her character at all. I mean, it gives her a little more of like I get the whole idea of, you know, it doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, who your family is. You can still be that beacon of hope that like you don't have to follow in those footsteps. Right. I get it. And that's great. But you totally did not really like set that up. You didn't explain it at all. It's just like.
00:27:22
Speaker
Yep, she's, she's Palpatine. It's like, it's almost to me like they were like, this is why she's always been powerful is because she's always been a Palpatine. No, stupid. Don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Let her be somebody that was just chosen by the force. Just like you were saying, Ben, Ben became, you know, started turning 10 years. Boom. She was born and she was the light. Yeah.
00:27:48
Speaker
could have just been as easy as that. But then you had to go and make it a little more complicated and make her the granddaughter of help team. I don't know. I was not, I'm not a fan of it. I accept it. It's fine. I mean, it fits, it does fit the story. It does. It fits the story of, you know, him being always in the shadows and having like these master plans and she was a part of it, but like just, I just didn't like the execution of it maybe.
00:28:21
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It didn't, did seem like an afterthought, especially leading in saying that like Leia knew and Luke knew, but it was never ever like mentioned or hinted or anything like that. No hindsight. Yeah. I mean, like you could, you could argue and I, and I a hundred percent agree with you. You could say in hindsight now when I, when you watch those movies, like when Luke was talking to her in that Jedi insane, who are you? Yeah. And all that stuff. And he was really trying to see if she knew. Yeah.
00:28:39
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I didn't like the execution and how they looked like it.
00:28:51
Speaker
Again, you could. You could. You could. Hindsight. I mean, just like you and I said about Finn, like Maz could maybe have known that Finn was Force-sensitive in The Force Awakens when she said, like, I see the eyes of the same, like, again, it's all hindsight. Well, that even could have been a setup that he was related to somebody. That's all weird. Right. I agree. But again, you could, you could, you could, narratively speaking, you could make it connect for sure.
00:29:18
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and i don't like it but also the way like leah's mannerisms towards ray it and we've said this before in the force awakens that she kind of had this mannerism of knowing who she was but wanting to keep her distance yes so um i guess you could say it's there you could you could i mean and you could because you could see that she ray has that anger side to her like in
00:29:42
Speaker
TFA when she you know is fighting Kylo and she finally like lets the force in she kind of goes You know, she has those like that angry face on and there wasn't enough of it And then the Last Jedi one of your favorite moments when she growls again, you could but there was enough of I am you know
00:30:05
Speaker
inches away from doing something pure evil. There was never that feeling with her like there was with Anakin when he crossed over and killed the same people and the one with the children. There was never a ray moment with that that there was a potential that she was pure evil. The only way they kind of teased that with us was in a trailer and that's not cool, you know?
00:30:30
Speaker
I agree. No, 100% agree. 100% agree. So that's, I think, I don't know. Right. You think maybe that the path that Ryan Johnson went down with that she was a nobody and the force could be with anybody. When I received the backlash, do you think that's when they changed their mind? 100%. I do. I had to say it that way. I do. Because I liked where he was leading that. Yeah. But I think they wanted, again, this is just,
00:30:56
Speaker
My personal opinion, I think they had to tweak stuff to bring nostalgia back in more and to make everything kind of quote unquote like.
00:31:10
Speaker
Here you go. Fan service or not. And I don't want to use that as a dirty word because fan service is good. It is. Yeah. Like you're like you and I were just talking about a little bit ago, like the nostalgia factors of the land. Yeah. So I get it. And that's what they did. And it's fine. Like I said, it's not a terrible movie. And I know and I hope that's not coming off of how we're how we're talking about it. Because I love I personally there are many moments in this movie that I just flat out loved.
00:31:35
Speaker
Like, it's some of the best Star Wars. The highs are highs or lows are lows for me, I guess. So I think it's just a different movie, if you think about it. Like, The Last Jedi was made to make you think and dissect and think about the maybes. Rethink and kind of change your area. This one is honestly for fun. And that's fine. And that's what it's for. It's for popcorn eating, you know, Pepsi slurping, you know, good times. That's what it is. 100%.
00:32:05
Speaker
And that, it goes back to, you know, there's a saying that I say a lot is that you can't take yourself too seriously. And that has to be synonymous with Star Wars. It has to. It's Star Wars. Yeah, because at the end of the day, it is...
00:32:21
Speaker
And I don't want to say it's just a movie because it is, it means a lot. Obviously we do a podcast about it. It means a lot to many people. So it is just more than a movie for sure. But there are moments that you just can not continue to take it so seriously. And you have to step back 100% where it's like, okay, like I get it. It's just, you know, it is a science, it's a sci-fi science fiction movie where, you know,
00:32:44
Speaker
droids are in there fun right it's fun and it should be fun find the fun find the fun don't find the you know negative sauce yeah yeah but there are movies there in each trilogy there's a movie in that that gives you that moment of you know like a moral compass and and wow I can relate that to my real life like you feel it in Attack of the Clones you feel it in the Empire Strikes Back you feel it in The Last Jedi so the
00:33:13
Speaker
All the trilogies were the same, from the set up to the conflict to the resolution. They really were. So the fact that, I don't know, I just think it's the sign of the times that why people are showing grace. Yeah, no, I would agree with that. It's definitely more signs of the times.
00:33:36
Speaker
So, okay, so that was one of them that you were, that we talked about was her being, yep, she being the deal. And she was, she was the granddaughter of Palpatine. The other thing that you and I had right was Kyle being redeemed. Wasn't a big stretch, but we were right about it. Yeah, you also had that he would sacrifice himself saving Ray. And I had that, yeah. But you're still upset about it. I am very upset.
00:34:05
Speaker
Because here's the thing, again, I don't wanna like keep, I'm not, I know it sounds like I'm bashing this movie and I really, I'm- I don't think, I mean this- This is just I guess my criticism of it. I love that he is redeemed, I love that he came back as Ben Solo, I loved all that, right? Right. The kiss, everything, loved it.
00:34:23
Speaker
And then you go and have him become one with the force, which I'm fine with. But was it really necessary? Like you could have really did something different. You could have had him survive and you could have had him learn in a tone from what he did.
00:34:41
Speaker
And that would have been a great message. You and I were talking about this before we started recording. Oh yeah. That message of you needed to be taught out to future Jedi, to future force users, to future non-force users.
00:35:02
Speaker
That message of creating chaos, making a mistake, following a path you didn't know how to go, learning from it, and then knowing that you had the strength and the family and the comfort of the people around you to change. Right, and the support of those people, right. It was 100%. You could have went down that road, and they did it, and that's fine.
00:35:28
Speaker
Maybe that's too heavy for Star Wars, I don't know. Just, let's keep a bad guy, good guy. Good guy, bad guy. I think you're 100% right on that. I think it's just what Star, like you're saying, good, bad. You know, Sith vs. Jedi, first order vs. you know, the Resistance, Rebellion vs. the Empire, yeah, it's all.
Character Developments vs. Fan Expectations
00:35:49
Speaker
I mean, honestly, there were a lot of impactful things in this movie that they didn't allow to fully happen, like Chewbacca dying. Didn't really happen. Right. You know, Huck's turning. Nope. You mean he turned? Which I called that. Yeah. He did call that Huck's turning, but he's gone now. Yeah. You know? Yeah. See, 3PO, one look at my friends. It was emotional. It was, you know, tear-jerker. And then moments later, it's over. It gets resolved, yeah.
00:36:18
Speaker
And, you know, that kind of bothers me. It does, me too, a little bit. But I get it because, I mean, it's kind of, I don't want to say it's like, because I don't write movies. Right. I don't write movies. Again, even if I tried to write a movie, it would suck. Not that it would suck, but I would feel the weight of I don't want to disappoint people. I want it to make sense. I want everybody to love it. So to save like,
00:36:44
Speaker
Ma'am, you know, I don't know. I liked that Ryan and George were just like, I'm gonna do this. And if they don't like it, this is the way it is. Yeah, this is the way. This is the way. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I mean,
00:37:02
Speaker
But again, he did, Kylo got redeemed, he did sacrifice himself for Rey, which again, I loved. You called it. That was one of my favorite moments in the movie is everything with Rey and Ben, Rey, Ben, Kylo, whoever you want to call them. You called it. Anything else that you noticed that we did? Those are the ones that came out to me mostly.
00:37:29
Speaker
Oh, do, do, do, do, do, do, no. No, but I will say this, we did have two unanswered questions. Things that we wanted an answer to and never got answered. Oh, okay. There are two things. What do you have? So one, where's Ma's find the lightsaber? We'll get that eventually, but right, nothing. We didn't get that. Not in the movies. Not in the movies. You told me I would get it. I was hoping we would, but no, we didn't. And, Ray's Seeing the Island and Knows Act II.
00:37:57
Speaker
I get that, but I told you how that's explained in The Force Awakens. No! It's the Force, it was the Force telling her, like, in her dreams. No! Yes, I'm telling you! Hey, Luke says you've seen this place. Right, you've seen it because it's in her, she saw it in her dreams, in her visions, but she didn't know it was the Force. I get it, I mean, I get what you're saying, but it was explained, kind of.
00:38:22
Speaker
And then in The Force Awakens, I see the island almost like it was real. She'd been there and she was from the island. She trained on the island. No, it was just the Force Showinger. But I get it. I get it. I get it. Any last thoughts about what we had? My other thoughts going into the movie was or what I was kind of disappointed, I guess, since we're kind of like a little bit in that groove. So I read.
00:38:52
Speaker
The Resistance Reborn. I even read Spark of Resistance, which was the YA book about Rey. Number one, Spark of Resistance was better than Resistance Reborn, and giving you that feeling of, in the mindset of Rey Poe, Rose, and what was going on in between The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker.
00:39:20
Speaker
The Resistance Reborn was maybe a little bit too war and...
00:39:28
Speaker
I don't know it was too much too much resistance yeah too much of the resistance and not like resistance like the show I'm talking about like Leia wedge they were on Ryloth you know there was a little bit of political things going on you know they said that book I haven't read it yet but I know it's supposed to really kind of encompass the last few
00:39:52
Speaker
Major novels like The Aftermath, Bloodline. It did feel like more of like, yeah, more of a sequel to like Bloodline, Aftermath, things like that. The conclusions of all this, yeah. It called all that stuff back. What sucked is it was called Resistance Reborn and you felt like it was really going to give you this feeling of
00:40:10
Speaker
how they really built up an army and or navy or a team or a fleet and that never happened and then it kind of even wasn't addressed in the rise of skywalker it was just weird yeah it didn't feel like it it it wasn't needed so what i kind of what i one of my favorite parts in the movie is
00:40:31
Speaker
Like when all those ships did come for the Resistance, it wasn't really the Resistance, it was just the people of the galaxy standing up as one. Loved that. But I get what you're saying, I wish it would have been in the book. It almost made me feel like the Resistance reborn was unnecessary.
00:40:46
Speaker
I think it's just a good book, again, fillers, fillers to what was going on prior to and what Leia was doing, what... Dude, the spark of resistance was dope. I mean, talking about like, cause her and Rey and Poe were flying in the Falcon together and his thoughts on her critiquing how she flies and like how she actually really was a good pilot and the way she would maneuver, it was awesome. Yeah. And the ports were there.
00:41:15
Speaker
Good old pork. It was great. All right, so let's go to our favorite segment of Ask the Gales. Oh my gosh, Ask the Gales. We're back at it. Bringing it back. Yep. To 2020. 2020. All right, so our first question comes from our very good friend, Neil Lowry, the most positive guy I know. Mr. Positivity. Yes, King. Yes, King the Positivity.
00:41:43
Speaker
Alright, he has a good question for us. He says, is no movie for a while a good thing?
00:41:50
Speaker
Yes, 100% agree with this. Yes, it is. Yes, it does. Because now we get to let everything kind of just soak in. And then you get to ramp up brand new characters, brand new adventures that we are not familiar with. Yeah. Gives the fandom maybe a little bit of a break. But what's nice is because of Disney Plus, we have the Mandalorian, we're getting these
00:42:13
Speaker
Other series, there will be one. Cassian. We're getting the Clone Wars in February. There's a rumor that there's a Rebels. There's a rumor where there's a sequel Rebels coming. I don't know if I buy that one yet. So we will have Star Wars content in between this new set of movies.
00:42:34
Speaker
Oh yeah, I do. I think it's a good thing that... I think it's a good thing too. It's a very good thing. I really do. I think it's a good thing that we're getting some space, time to breathe, time to kind of just let everything kind of settle down and then bring it back up. So it's a celebration. I feel like celebration this year in August will be...
00:42:56
Speaker
Well, what I was hoping for in April in Chicago was a lot of breaking news, not a lot. And that a lot of cool rise of Skywalker stuff and everything was, and it was great event. And I, I crossed my fingers. We were able to go at the hand, I'm in some way, shape or form. I'm doing a podcast there, but
00:43:17
Speaker
What I think Anaheim will be is a very, my, my initial thought is that it's going to be news heavy. Like we will get a lot of breaking news as far as what's coming up next. It should, I mean, it should be that way because April, we didn't get a lot of information, which, I mean, we did like project luminous. It was announced, but we don't know anything. Now we're going to know, I think what that, what that all means. And like I said, according to Jason Ward.
00:43:47
Speaker
It's going to be it's going to be pretty cool. Yeah, it's going to be pretty cool. And then just also, I think we'll get hopefully announcements of when when the dates of these new movies are coming out, who's directing them, you know. And what I'm curious, too, is what's Kevin Feige's role role in all this? Yeah, I think I think that will get explained maybe. So we'll see. We'll see. I'm excited for it. But thanks, Neil, for your question. We appreciate it.
00:44:13
Speaker
All right, and our final question goes to Bob the Burger Guy himself, William23219045. Bob the Burger, he says, what will the future be
Future of Star Wars Narratives
00:44:29
Speaker
for Star Wars? What will the future be for Star Wars, Andrea? Oh, chaos and arguing. Same old, same old.
00:44:40
Speaker
Chain blocks, black chains, all over the place. For me, I think the future is, I'm excited for because now, like I've been saying,
00:44:51
Speaker
We get to go away from the familiar, get new, and be in awe of it. Just like I said, for me, hopefully it's going to feel like when Star Wars came out in 1977, where it's brand new. You have no idea. We kind of have an idea of what the galaxy is and what's kind of happening. But 300, 400 years before all what we know, we have no idea.
00:45:21
Speaker
So like how is the technology different? Is it similar? How cool, like what's going on? And it sounds like we're going to be going to the unknown regions according to this. So like all cool stuff. I'm excited for the future of Star Wars. I am too. Yeah. Yeah. I, I wanted to feel familiar and then I wanted to, you know, just shock me. I want to just be able to get, I mean, we feel that way with the Mandalorian from what we've been seeing.
00:45:49
Speaker
Yeah, we'll be doing a Mando recap show eventually, season one. But yeah, I think the future is bright for Star Wars. I really do. I think we just had to get out of this, in my opinion, this kind of era to wrap it all up, to wrap up, you know, the Skywalker saga. Do you think there's anything untold in this era that still needs to be told?
00:46:13
Speaker
I don't. I think I'm fine with whatever they have out now. Like the story, I'm fine with it. I don't know. Little things, like little things. I mean, there's little things, but we get them in. So I started reading the new Star Wars Marvel that came out, the issue one. That was so awesome. See, that's the story we know, but it's this little moment that we didn't get to see. And it's amazing. That's what I, that's what I, that stuff is awesome. That's what I, again, the future, I think, although like the stories that,
00:46:43
Speaker
the little gaps that they're gonna fill in. Yeah, I'm excited for all that stuff too, for sure. But yeah, future's bright. Future's bright for sure. Future's bright.
00:46:56
Speaker
Star Wars is not dead. No, it's according to, contrary to some people's opinions, it's not dead at all. No, it is not. All right, any last thoughts, Andrea, on our theories, what we were wrong, what we were right on? Han Solo. Han Solo. Pizza, pizza bites, pizza pretzels. Pizza bite pretzels. And me. Man, when are we gonna go see it again? Because I've almost gone a couple more times. Oh, really? I've been wanting to. We'll go, we'll figure it out.
00:47:25
Speaker
Because you want to know what, I'm going to bring this up. Did they say, may the force be with you in that movie? You know what? What did Luke say? I don't know. I had to rewatch it. I'm a little upset about it. Well, I can't remember if he said it when Ray was hearing all the voices. No. He didn't? What did he say? Not the force be with you.
00:47:50
Speaker
Yeah, maybe. The Force will be with you. Is that what he said? Something. It kind of upset me when I was thinking about it. Well, I have to rewatch it. That's why I have to rewatch it. Just because it's such, I mean, that's the line that is... Oh, yeah. May the Force be with you. How do you not say it? Like, how does... It had to have been said. I had to. I mean, remember when Finn said it to Rose in The Last Jedi? It was hilarious. It was so great. It was so funny.
00:48:16
Speaker
Mr. Big Deal. And then, you know, Holdo said it to Leo. That was emotional. Yeah. That was great. Where was it in the Rise of Skywalker? I think it's in there. I think it had to.
Closing Remarks and Social Media
00:48:25
Speaker
Well, we'll go. You and I will go then, too. All right. Well, we'll listen to that.
00:48:29
Speaker
All right, guys, thanks for listening to us. Appreciate it. As always, find us on Apple Pod, Google Play, Spotify now. Now Spotify. Spotify. And definitely go to dgtradeco.com. We got merch, all that good stuff. So check us out over there. You can follow us on Twitter at The Galactic Pod. You can follow me, Lauren Romo, at Low Row Knows. You can follow me, Andrea Gutierrez, at r2d2step.
00:48:56
Speaker
And may that force be with you. Always. Always. See how we just said it? May the force be with you. It wasn't said like that in the movie, I promise. We'll find out.
00:49:18
Speaker
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