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Blade II
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are continuing their commentaries on the Blade movies with Guillermo Del Toro’s Blade II
(Movie starts at 12:44)
Does Blade pay taxes in this one? Is Ron Perlman the most Del Toro thing about this movie? Should Nick watch Dragon Ball Super? Listen/watch and find out!
Next Week’s Commentary:
Blade: Trinity
(Movie starts at 12:44)
Does Blade pay taxes in this one? Is Ron Perlman the most Del Toro thing about this movie? Should Nick watch Dragon Ball Super? Listen/watch and find out!
Next Week’s Commentary:
Blade: Trinity
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Transcript
Dragon Ball Z Influences & Afterlife Concepts
00:00:18
Speaker
Yeah, no one's ever pointed out to me before like the mixture of all that shit in Dragon Ball Z I haven't read enough of Akira Torima's like other stuff or seen as other stuff enough to know I think that's just kind of his thing where he matches mix matches all these aesthetics because like games that he's done art design for have kind of like you're just throwing in everything from what either different times different influences like because
00:00:47
Speaker
because it doesn't even all flow from there's elements that are clear I mean I'm not an expert on like Japanese mythology or spirits and like all that stuff but like yeah there's clearly elements of like the afterlife and Dragon Ball they're inspired by that stuff but then you also have
00:01:03
Speaker
We were just talking about Beerus. He's basically an Egyptian god in terms of his aesthetic and design. They're just bringing in different... It's kind of just whatever he thinks looks cool. There's dinosaurs around in the world of Dragon Ball.
00:01:18
Speaker
You mentioned something that I love actually about the Dragon Ball. I think it's introducing Dragon Ball Z, Netherworld. When Goku dies and has to like- Like the first time he dies? Yeah, there's the whole like a line for people like being judged whether they go to like Netherworld or hell and it's like
00:01:37
Speaker
I really liked that concept that Dragon Ball Z was playing with for the afterlife and how people could still come back for a limited time. They get super playful with it in some of the movies too because you see people from Hell Escape and you see Hitler driving down the street. That fusion reborn with Janimba. Have you seen that movie? He starts off as the little cute fatty and he's like, Janimba!
00:02:07
Speaker
Yeah, then he gets less cute as we get a Gita that that's kind of wait Is that just an arc of? Dragon Ball villains because boost starts off fat and cute and then then he gets more serious and scary and that that's just like how the villains work I guess I mean cell isn't never cute. He's kind of from the start bug like very insect he looks less threatening from the beginning I guess but he's so
00:02:33
Speaker
Cell is in Fusion Reborn. Say a man punches Cell and he just dies in like one punch. Oh, because when everyone escaped from Hell that includes Cell. Or maybe it's Frieza that he punches. He punches somebody.
00:02:46
Speaker
I know I haven't I'm I'm so early in super but I know there's an arc later where they're in you know how they always do their tournament arcs it's like a tournament between different multiverses and so they're like the stakes in the stakes of it are the mult the universe that
00:03:06
Speaker
When a universe loses or is eliminated from the tournament, like, they're actually erased from existence.
Dragon Ball Super vs GT: Themes & Consequences
00:03:11
Speaker
So, like, the stakes of it are big. I did hear about that. I watched a little bit of Super when I was in California. There was this guy who was looking for Dragon Ball Z, and he didn't know. He was trying to pretend like he liked Dragon Ball Z to impress a girl, and so he put on... That's how you impress girls. Girls fucking love Goku. Yeah, exactly. Dragon Ball Z has just gotten me late so many times.
00:03:34
Speaker
But yeah fucking He like was looking on Hulu for it I think and saw Dragon Ball super and click that and I was like that's not Dragon Ball Z That's Dragon Ball super fucking more and it's like so I got a little bit of super and it was a little too like Directed for like aimed at kids um and
00:03:58
Speaker
It was very like cheery almost very like happy I you know what I would I miss I'm gonna go to bat for is the nihilism and hopelessness of Dragon Ball GT Was it that nihilistic and hopeless? I think there's been a GT was nihilistic and hope every time they cut back to earth I mean they end up blowing up earth
00:04:24
Speaker
All of our characters... Are you just blown up in Dragon Ball Z? No, but like... There's a move, a move Boo does called human extinction that kills everyone. This is like a permanent explosion because it's exploding because of the Black Star Dragon Balls. They make the wish on Earth and because they don't retrieve the Dragon Balls in time, Earth ends up getting destroyed and it's like destroyed permanently. They can't like wish it back at this point.
00:04:51
Speaker
I think you bring it back cuz earth know they they reestablish on like a different planet I think they make like another earth piccolo gets left behind to die they end up having to evacuate getting everybody on ships and like Leaving earth while they're like searching for the dragon balls like they're worried They're not gonna have time and they're like fucking get people off of earth babies gotten inside of Vegeta Babies running amok is Vegeta. It's like
00:05:20
Speaker
But they're having- I forgot that happened simultaneously with baby stuff.
Canon Debates & Fandom Frustrations
00:05:24
Speaker
Yeah, they're having this like fun adventure and then babies like just Causing a muck on it. It's it's weird. It's it doesn't fit the tone of anything else in like the Dragon Ball universe But because Dragon Ball like the first one is very goofy. I think that's just a curatorial sense of humor. It's goofy in a
00:05:47
Speaker
Different because he had nothing to do with GT. So that's I think yeah has what you're looking for and people hate GT Well GT was not I don't know GT is not what I'm looking for but GT like I like that thing is like almost despised like people I know just like
00:06:05
Speaker
Don't like GT, but I think there's hardcore who just on the ground of it not being from the creator they're like it's not serious because that's not cannon I couldn't give a shit like when I don't get when people get into the nitty-gramp like what is it? What's cannon is this with the cannon of the it's like shut the fuck up There were people when the fallout show came out were like of like oh, what does this mean for the? games in terms of the can like
00:06:29
Speaker
You can just play the games and yeah follow that story like who I did not give a shit whether what this does to the cannon Yeah, and if I have any details on GT wrong, I apologize. It's been like fucking 15 years You're probably the most knowledge gi person well like the I think that a lot of the reason why it gets so much hate is because they had Goku the kid I don't like the kid Goku either, but like um
00:06:56
Speaker
They make a lot of decisions with a lot they bastardize a lot of like characters. I mean I get it though It's like these characters think they're in a time of peace of Vegeta's like why not grow a mustache and be I mean that's Go tanks or whatever is just like Kind of just like a weird bratty like it
00:07:22
Speaker
These aren't complaints I have, but these are complaints other people have. GT is, I like when things try something different, and GT try something different. I like GT when I watched it at the time. I haven't revisited it. I like the Super Saiyan 4 look. The design of it's really cool, because it brings it full circle back to like, you forget that Saiyans are like monkey men. Yeah. So like the Super Saiyan 4 design has the tail as part of, I think that's cool.
00:07:51
Speaker
Cuz I yeah, I'm not that foreign super I know there's different power levels, but there's nothing I don't think that involves their tail coming back I know they get like blue hair when they get to like God super saying God I wish the look of this like God mode was just as Different or interesting. They just did hair. They're like, okay. We can't make yellow hair any bigger. I
00:08:16
Speaker
Well, I wish they went the GT route and it's like do something like I like the look of the Super Saiyan 4 is it is it maybe just I don't know if there's maybe weird rights things because it wasn't the same creator or is it just a pride thing of Tori Munn not wanting to like I'm not bringing Super Saiyan foreign because I didn't make that shit and he didn't do it probably a pride thing
00:08:39
Speaker
I would assume, I don't completely know. Well, he's dead, we'll never know now. I'm gonna do a seance and ask him. Okay, bitch. I don't know if I'm ever gonna give super an honest chance, maybe if this- I wanna get to that tournament, Art, because what I was about to tell you, because the stakes are so big and the loser universes get erased from existence, they're like, we gotta bring in anyone to get farther in this, including Frieza. They bring Frieza from hell, they get like a temporary stay.
00:09:08
Speaker
I saw this actually when I was in California. And all the lower level characters that haven't been useful in a while, like Roshi or Krillin, they get a power up so they can kind of fight with the big boys. They're not quite saying power level, but they're kind of like, well, they're stronger now because they trained and now they can reach a new power level.
00:09:25
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't watch consistently enough to really pick up on everything that was happening, but Frieza was back and someone did explain to me what was going on. So I saw a couple clips from that. If this podcast like really takes off and we build a fan base, I'll watch super with enough convincing from, you know, people listening to this.
00:09:48
Speaker
Okay, sound off, you know, in the comments or whatever people you want. Do you want Nick to watch Dragon Ball Super? Yeah. Um, but you ready to get into blade? Yeah. Let's late to as a kid. This was the one that I probably cause my friend that I would watch our rated movies at his, like I could catch our rated movies if they were on like TV, like edited versions, but at my friend Roland's plate, like his person and I give a fuck. So like, that was where that was like,
00:10:17
Speaker
where I saw the Matrix and a lot of R-rated action stuff for the first time. We definitely re-watched this one more. I don't remember the full plot. I just know it's Guillermo del Toro, Ron Perlman's in it, and it has a banger soundtrack. That's the main things I remember.
00:10:37
Speaker
Damn critics didn't like this shit Fucking 50 per 57 percent on rotten tomatoes 68 for an audience score too seems like lower than I Remember people because people this movie higher than the first one don't they I don't know if it's just freaks like me because I think overall people default to saying the first one is is clearly the
00:11:03
Speaker
The the best one, but I I there's like a contingent of fans. I think that are like no Yeah, two rips. I mean, I don't know if that's just yeah the childhood associations or just the Guillermo del Toro fanboy Oh wait, so should we count it off? Oh, no, I was getting it to be at zero instead of the loading screen You can keep talking
00:11:26
Speaker
However, I would say, yeah, Guillermo del Toro, this was definitely my first del Toro. I hadn't seen any of his earlier non-English stuff. Hellboy wasn't out yet, so that wasn't out. I don't think I was even paying attention, I definitely wasn't paying attention to directors at this point. I think by the time I saw the Hellboys, I was like, oh, Guillermo del Toro, that's a name that I should pay attention to, because this is clearly like he has a thing.
00:11:52
Speaker
that I like but like I see if there's any distinct like visual things in this movie that especially compared to like the first ones we watched that kind of something that kind of points to like oh del Toro you know that feels like a del Toro thing
00:12:07
Speaker
I granted I haven't seen a whole lot of del Toro's movies Here want to get into the countdown we can start Yeah, sure. Um, we'll Start on what what are you gonna say for play cuz last time it caught me off guard. You said I skate uphill Yeah
00:12:29
Speaker
I'm going to do blade three, blade two, blade one, and then ice skate uphill probably. All right. I'm going to start it on the word ice then. Okay.
00:12:39
Speaker
All right, so we're starting in blade three, blade two, blade one, ice gate uphill. Nice.
Nostalgia for Blade & R-rated Films
00:12:47
Speaker
We're in. We're in. Oh, and since we first, we did the first one, there's already been, like, I feel like we caused this in the news, more blade talk, because yeah, we, we, I think we maybe already knew when we did the first episode, I was about to be announced it.
00:13:03
Speaker
that they had lost another director for the Mahershala one. But then, like within a few hours of that, Wesley Snipes tweeted, Blade, lordy, lordy, lordy, folks still looking for the secret sauce, riding snowmobiles in traffic, kinda rough. Daywalkers made it look easy, don't they? Hashtag Daywalker click, hashtag Blade, hashtag Marvel. Jeez.
00:13:31
Speaker
I'm glad he's having a fucking victory lap right like you silly motherfuckers Someone has to benefit from all of this nonsense Fuckin could we turn it turn it up without it being too? Yeah, I think this is good I'll turn it up one more
00:13:53
Speaker
This already has a different look. I don't know that this is immediately distinguishable as del Toro. To me, less than one specific aesthetic, del Toro to me is like, oh, this guy loves monsters or freaks. So there's going to be some kind of freaky looking thing in here.
00:14:12
Speaker
I'm going to put a guess out there for not the people who are actually going to do blade, but the next announcement or an upcoming announcement. I have a feeling it's going to be the bad boys, uh, guys. Oh, I mean, they're, they're pretty hot right now. They've done a superhero movie that no one saw from what.
00:14:35
Speaker
It's not a girl one from what it sounds like it wasn't like a bad movie No, no all this stuff coming out about it being a bad movie. We knew that was immediately kind of bullshit Yeah, they were just saying that in order to write it off, but like I Man, I wish someone would leak that shit. That would be yeah, that'd be cool I don't I don't know what they're gonna do with the script Issues, I don't know what's going on with that script, but I have you think they're doing the problem is that they don't
00:15:06
Speaker
okay blade he hunts vampires and vampires as we know they deal with a lot of blood stuff and do you think Marvel's like even if I mean yes Deadpool Wolverine is our but I don't think they're looking to do any hard our stuff anytime you talk about this on our last blade episode
00:15:24
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's the same exact thing you the blood you can't do are without the blood you can't do blade without the blood like it's it's Vamp it's like key to the whole can't do without the blood and you get an are if you do blood So you've just got to do an are rated blade. Yeah, I have no interest in a PG there's some characters that I'm like I don't I'd like I don't want a PG-13 version of the Punisher and
00:15:47
Speaker
I mean the only reason they're concerned about the frickin rating they don't care about like Actual audience like kids being able to see this and like they want to be able to make more money It's the box office. Yeah, they don't want to be there about the quality. They're like, how can we make money? It's it's ridiculous
00:16:09
Speaker
Which but like Deadpool Wolverine is is the most our blatant version of an r-rated movie That's for teenage boys that I've seen and that's gonna make a bunch of money So like they know they can still make money from our rated movies So do you think if this Deadpool movie is like a huge success that encourage them a little more? Like being like I guess ours fine I mean if okay damn that's putting me in the position of kind of
00:16:37
Speaker
rooting for Deadpool Wolverine to a degree where I'm like I that opens up the doors then I mean that movie Regardless like it's gonna be a big success at least right out of the gate like yeah, it could fall off if like you everyone unanimously against the world is like this sucks and like the Senate passes a law saying that Deadpool Wolverine is bad, but like I like that they're
00:17:07
Speaker
Giving us these these moving like frames during the recap almost feels a little Remember how in Angles Hulk he kind of tries to emulate like comic panels and this came out before Angles Hulk too, right because that was 2003 this reminds me of the Batman scene with George Clooney, I think oh when he's like suiting up Yeah, there's like a better version of yeah, cuz it still looks cool. Oh
00:17:37
Speaker
It's got a vibe. This movie has style. I'm not actually I'm not getting any del Toro in that intro either. I'm not getting del Toro, but I'm getting a personality, you know, like there's there's definitely like I'm thinking Snipes directed this and he put del Toro's name on it as a favor to a friend.
00:17:58
Speaker
Also, I unless I missed it I don't think in that opening they're gonna cuz I teased in the first one Whistler's just gonna fully be alive even though we saw him Like blade left him a gun to kill himself and we heard the gunshot go off and see if they explain it III think he's gonna be it's like hey Whistler my old buddy who nothing has ever happened to
00:18:21
Speaker
And then let's also, uh, we have to continue paying attention to if Blake does taxes. Oh, does he pay any taxes? Okay, yeah. So far, he's killing vampires. Yeah, no taxes. Wait, did that guy have like a radioactive, like, insignia on his side of his head? I hope so.
00:18:40
Speaker
So these are like what more like lost boys looking vampires? Yeah, yeah, there's already not just the aesthetic to how it's filmed the vampires themselves look different and I'm wondering if that's because They're gonna differentiate because the other thing I remember about this is like oh there's like super vampires that are more monstrous that are just like killing everything and so I don't know if they do they want to distinguish between like the our quote-unquote normal vampires and like
00:19:10
Speaker
Whatever those what those monster men versions are called just so we can like visually tell like oh, yeah these ones are more I mean some of that looked kind of Noticable effects stuff just then but like time that was probably like like mind-blowing This is also an improvement from the last move in terms of the effects. Oh definitely and just stylistically I thought that looked cool
00:19:36
Speaker
I don't know, I'm pretty on board with this. So, so far, I think I like the look of the first movie a bit more, which is weird, because it's kind of done by a guy who just... No sauce. ...do things, yeah. Just nothing. I like that. How far away is he when he's throwing these? This feels very Joel Schumacher Batman. Just the stuff that he's doing with the weapons.
00:20:05
Speaker
I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you sat Garen Little Toro down, you asked him what he thought of the Schumacher Batman and he just started talking about things he liked about it. Like he seems like the kind of guy, he kind of seems like the kind of guy who even if he doesn't, he's not going to shit talk anything. One, even if he didn't like a movie, he'd probably just be like, yeah, I saw that or something like. Yeah. He's a genuine film lover. Yeah.
00:20:33
Speaker
He just seems like a sweet man. And yeah, all that stuff, noticeable effects when they're doing the flip, I still think it looks cool. I'm pretty on board with
Blade's Direction & Action Choreography
00:20:43
Speaker
this. I get what you're saying about liking the look of the fucking blade, you stinker. The first one had kind of a grittiness that this one doesn't have so far. This one looks cleaner. It's definitely a budget thing, you know? They're probably... They got more money. Yeah. It's on the screen, too. And that's not a bad thing.
00:21:03
Speaker
It's probably more just like a matter of preference, too. I mean, I imagine Blade Trinity's gonna look immaculate, you know, right? It's probably gonna be the best-looking movie ever made, I'm assuming. Yeah. If it escalates at this level. Yeah, they're just gonna be increasing in quality. Ooh. Okay. He was trying to interrogate this guy about something, and I kind of missed what it was.
00:21:35
Speaker
Oh.
00:21:37
Speaker
It's fuckin' blood cocaine. I was about to say, is that blood cocaine? I love all the little vampirisms of like, you know, what do vampires do when they hang out? We're just drinking some blood, doing blood cocaine, hanging with the fella. Like, this looks like a meeting of Matrix people. Yeah, are vampires, why are they that about blood? We're not that about food and water. I mean, I'm that about water. Yeah, but you're not like snorting water in your free time.
00:22:08
Speaker
Some things to tell you I Like that there's no I Don't think it's cuz we have it turned down. There's no soundtrack to this part He kind of just walks in and we're just hearing the sound of him
00:22:23
Speaker
Cap and these motherfuckers and now he's gonna do some kung fu. I mean there are there is good Music and like some great needle drops in this I know He's just he's just I love the kineticism of this visual style. It's yeah like yeah one had a more
00:22:40
Speaker
maybe, quote-unquote, grounded grittiness to it, but like, the way- This has personality in the choices. Yeah, and the way the camera moves, and like, the kind of way he moves too, like, I'm pretty about it.
00:22:58
Speaker
Now, I said in the first one... Well, I wasn't really criticizing, like, the camera work or anything. No, no, no, I didn't think you were... I was just noting some differences. It almost looks like the first might have been shot on film and this might have been digital.
00:23:15
Speaker
I mean, yeah, I don't know enough about like when the big changeover happened, because this is 2002, so. I think it was some point in like the 90s, because Michael Mann and David Fincher were both working on digital around that time, I think, right? That sounds right. That blade always saying one-liners. So why didn't he kill that guy?
00:23:43
Speaker
So he could just leave them for bait or? I don't know. I've been trying to, I'm like kind of locked in a little bit just cause I haven't seen this in a while.
00:23:53
Speaker
I wonder they should delve into more like what blood exactly does for vampires in general because yeah it it's sustenance but it also it like doubles as a drug for them like right like they get like a rush from it like it's more than just like yeah food or like keeping them alive
00:24:14
Speaker
I mean, I've only watched a little bit of True Blood with friends, but they get into, by virtue of being a show and that you have to explore that stuff because you have more time, like, yeah, they kind of get into that, that like, it is kind of a drug. And then also, vampire blood can be a drug that humans do, that like, if a human drinks like V or something, that like, they can get kind of like a rush from it, but it can also kill them if they do it because it's like that powerful.
00:24:45
Speaker
It's called V. Yeah. Vampire blood. Yeah, and so there's even a danger because vampires are just a known part of society. They're like, if you're a vampire and you're by yourself, a human could just, you know, if they have enough vampire proof stuff, they could just kidnap you, drain your blood to sell it for drug money, you know, because it's like it's a valuable drug. Is that? Is that Whistler? Yeah. So it was seeing the blood to keep him alive.
00:25:12
Speaker
Okay, because he was just interrogating a guy, and the guy said something about him getting turned. So I think they are trying to rationalize that this is their way of explaining how Whistler is still here. They actually do acknowledge it more than I thought they would. I thought they were going to jump straight to him just being like, hey, Blade, what's up? I'm totally fine. What happened in that last movie? I don't know. I didn't die.
00:25:40
Speaker
He has like an eye patch. I think you shot yourself and you're like, nah, fine, man. I don't know what you're talking about. Or he just slightly changes his name. I'm not the whistler. I'm, uh, the Yodeler. Yeah. The Yodeler, the quiet talker. Oh man. This guy's everywhere. Norman Reedus.
00:26:03
Speaker
Norman Reedus, two weeks in a row. This will drop a week after our bike riders episode. Yeah, but bike riders, it made sense because there was border cycles in it. There's, I've yet to see any more cycles. These are cars. I don't know whether they were Ducati's earlier. Yeah. So this is before he became a motorcycle man, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, this is still because when he's like, I'm a Catholic, he traded Catholicism for bikes. Yeah.
00:26:31
Speaker
got. How do you feel about Boondock Saints? Uh, I don't revisit it. I mean, I have fond memories of William Defoe in it. I have a list on Letterboxd, like movies that I hated, and Boondock Saints is right there on that list. It's all just like half star movies, ones where I was just not enjoying anything about my experience watching him. Truth about Charlie, that's on there too.
00:27:00
Speaker
The Jonathan Demi film? Yeah, I don't remember that being good. I want to watch the original one that that's a remake of, Charade. Isn't it French or something? No, no, no. It takes place in Paris, but it's like a, it has American stars, I think. Okay. Yeah, not a fan of Truth About Charlie. My mom, yeah, my mom loves the original movie, Charade. That's all I really know about it.
00:27:23
Speaker
So he has, he was turned, turned? Or is he still kind of human? What's Whistler's status regarding? Because they were talking about they have, they can't let him go cold turkey. And so they're giving him injections. And I assume like they have to give him blood, but like, is he still kind of human? Tim, this seems like a big part of the movie. I do not remember that.
00:27:50
Speaker
I'm kind of glad that they are actually trying to give an in-world explanation. Yeah, me too. Because plenty of movies would, especially maybe if this had come out like a decade earlier in the 90s when they did not give a shit about comic book anything, and they're just like, I don't fucking... Who cares? Have you seen Blade Trinity? I guess we'll find out. Tune in next week to These Guys Got Jeeves. I remember nothing about Blade Trinity. I've never seen it.
00:28:21
Speaker
I just know. Him and Ryan run up to each other. Okay, so they're flashing back to blade one. He gives them the gun. Damn dude, you said there was no explanation. They have a full explanation. I was very wrong. The movie is stopping to be like, we're gonna explain Whistler. We're gonna go in the future and rip off the filter that Mad Max Free Road used for nighttime.
00:28:49
Speaker
But then, it's still here when it goes to the present. I like that shot. No, that shot was good, but I thought the filter was supposed to be, it was a flashback, but it's still here in the present. That filter just transcends. It followed him from the flashback. He's a reminiscent thing. It's supposed to tell us that his mind is still in the past, see? That's very smart. Quit living in the past, but look, he's like a detective now.
00:29:19
Speaker
Blades had character growth off screen. Wait, did Whistler just get out of his restraints? Maybe. Yeah. It's crazy that I didn't remember any of this. I was like, Hey, yeah, they don't even bring up the whistle. It is like a core plot issue at this point. This is like the, what the movie's about. It's opens. Yeah. With all of this.
00:29:46
Speaker
I think he's back to normal now. He's like, I'm good now. He's like, okay. Did you get that out of your system? Yeah, that was nuts. Anyway, let's go back to hunting vampires. We worked you back into the movie. I wonder if Del Toro was just like, I really want him in this movie, so let's do it.
00:30:04
Speaker
I mean, he's cool. We established in the first commentary, we love Whistler. Who makes that decision though? Which person involved with the creative aspect of things are like, let's just bring him back. I know we killed him. Do you think this studio is just reacting to the audiences of the first, I don't know, they're really loving Whistler here. I think we gotta bring him back.
00:30:27
Speaker
Um, I don't know. Do these two movies have the same writer? It could be the writer, uh, really just wanting to bring the character back. Yeah. I don't know how much carryover we get besides Wesley himself, because besides Wesley and Whistler, I think it's the whole cast is new. Like, Norm Rees won there in the first one. Man.
00:30:54
Speaker
I'm Josh, you can call me Scud. He doesn't look like a Josh. This guy's a loser. They should have got Aaron Paul to play him. That would have been funny. Shout out to Powerpuff Girls.
00:31:07
Speaker
Remember when Aaron Paul was randomly in Mission Impossible's Ethan Hunt's brother-in-law? He's also in the corn music video for the song Thoughtless. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, he plays the guy getting bullied or whatever and then he pukes. I feel like there should be a corn song on the soundtrack for one of these movies.
00:31:26
Speaker
That like sounds like something that makes sense corn did a Cover of a kidnapped the sandy claws for this nightmare before Christmas metal CD Hmm
00:31:45
Speaker
Sorry guys, we're just sucked into this riveting drama of- Yeah, Norman Reedus is really selling it. I love that he just knows how to change his facial expressions. Like, no, he, you know, he did such a good job in the bike riders. I'm willing to forgive young Norman Reedus and
00:32:06
Speaker
Well, I can't blame Boondock Saints on him. That's not that's Troy Duffy But there's a whole documentary about that dude that I have people have said is interesting that I kind of want to check because Norman Reedus know he's in a bad movie He probably I mean that movie is such a big cult following. It's like I
00:32:26
Speaker
I'm probably gonna get hate for my opinions on Boondock. It had a cult following then. Has anyone grown up since? I've targeted two cult following movies, Rocky Horror and Boondock Saints. Did we really target Rocky Horror? I targeted Rocky Horror and then I said you said it sucked.
00:32:46
Speaker
I mean, I was putting words in here. I will cosign on This is these guys are cool. Yeah, are these vampires? I think they're vampire stealth ops like You know, but I really want to know what Thanos is doing right now
00:33:05
Speaker
I mean, we already brought this up of, like, that having him in a whole universe just, like, makes you ask too many. More than any other solo superhero, you're like, so are the Avengers concerned about the vampire issue? Like, it's kind of a threat to humanity. Or maybe Blade is just, like, he's doing such a good job at it. They're just like, you got it, bro. And then, like, he's interested. Oh, man, that's fucking cool. I like that he's one-handing it, too. Yeah.
00:33:36
Speaker
He makes it look so effortless. Wesley's hot, man. Yeah, he is. Look at this shit. I mean, I think if you're this cool, you don't have to pay taxes. I think that's my takeaway. Taxes are like, shouldn't you? Oh, that was cool. Taxes shouldn't even be a concern. Look what he's dealing with.
00:34:03
Speaker
Think the choreography is better in this one in terms of like the fight stuff that's happening It's it's like more over the top in certain points, but it like I wonder if Wesley's like I'm not doing the trench coat If I'm doing all of this well cuz he's is doing a lot of his own stunts right like Yeah, is he like a majority of it of the stuff he I mean he I know he's a martial artist So he's doing a lot of this yeah
00:34:32
Speaker
Oh, this shit rocks. Oh man. And it's lasting good and long. You're like seeing the action. They, they go to, they, they cut out. Like, yeah, that, that almost see the wire work in that, but it was so cool. Yeah.
00:34:58
Speaker
or like you can tell when it when it when they became CG like they looked rubbery but I still didn't care again this is just with our knowledge now this probably looked fucking yeah if you're in 2002 seeing this on the big screen you just you're like Citizen Kane who like I can't believe it took them what four years is that four or five years been between blade one and blade two
00:35:28
Speaker
Sequels used to take longer. I think we've just that's modern Blockbuster or franchise filming is kind of fucked up our perception where it's like has to be within two three years is like a Crazy amount of time, but yeah, nothing ever would take this long now three usually As a kid I always expected three when a movie ended. I'm like, I'll see the sequel in three years and
00:35:55
Speaker
four Yeah, four for a superhero thing cuz like spider-man 2 came out like pretty quickly after it was in two with two years Yeah, two's like that makes and when a movie does like a year I'm like you guys are fucking maniacs if you're like not filming it back to back like I don't understand how You can work at like that much of a level like guy Richie
00:36:20
Speaker
Yeah, oh, well, I don't know what kind of crack he's on that allows him to crank those out, but God bless him, I guess. Yeah, I have more power to him. What was I about to say? I'm just getting sucked in by Blade. I'm just gonna...
00:36:42
Speaker
I'm gonna say so far Norman Reyes' character's a bit of a flop, but am I supposed to think he's a flop? I mean, you call a character Scud. I don't think they're supposed to be cool, right? Like, if you say- I don't know. If you introduce a guy and you're like, my name's Scud. But you gotta have, like, someone a little- Look at him next to Wesley, just how fucking uncool he is. Well, you have Wesley, and then you have Whistler who's cool. Like, he already has a cool sidekick.
00:37:12
Speaker
you put like who's who's cool in 2002 like you put Brad Pitt in that role like he looks like a dork next to Wesley you put Norman Reedus in that role he looks like a fucking toddler next to Wesley
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, does this bring your son to work day? Like, what's... I can't even imagine the non-chemistry him and Ryan Reynolds are gonna have when they're not on screen together. They just seem like they're two people that shouldn't exist in the same universe.
00:37:44
Speaker
Let alone the same room or scene. Yeah, I can't believe Deadpool's I wonder if Deadpool is gonna make a fucking Wesley or blade. What if he shows up? What if he shows up? He's already referenced his other character in a fucking Marvel movie. Yeah, he referenced Green Lantern. He referenced Green Lantern. He referenced other Deadpool. Yeah from Origins Wolverine. This guy's look is cool and
00:38:09
Speaker
I wouldn't be surprised if he references blade character.
Blade's Aesthetic & Horror Elements
00:38:13
Speaker
Look at this Nosferatu looking motherfucker. I almost said Nosferatu. Well, and this is where I'm this is where I'm seeing the del Toro influence is like he is gonna put a lot of detail on monster makeup because he That shit is like the most important thing to him and I'm like, that's why you're the man because monsters are important and
00:38:35
Speaker
And it feels very del Toro to combine like this like monster and like, you know, ancient aesthetic with someone who's in a business suit. Right. Very Michael Shannon next to the monster in shape of water. Oh yeah. Michael Shannon should be in a blade. That should be, I don't know, like as the villain. I don't know. Yeah. Can we redo blade Trinity and cast Michael Shannon as the Ryan Reynolds role?
00:39:00
Speaker
Or just fuck whatever thing they're trying to do with Mahershala now, that's obviously not gonna work. Bring Wesley back, he continues, and we just do more Blade movies. What if they just re-release Blade in theaters and they're like, it's out, guys! The new Blade movie! Like, is that Mahershala? It doesn't look like him. It looks like Blade. It looks just like Blade.
00:39:27
Speaker
Okay, so there he explaining this new vampire threat that feeds on humans and vampires They're like street punk almost yeah, they're like the meth tweakers of vampires like these guys are just a problem They're like the crack addict that's what he said he stole my analogy and
00:39:53
Speaker
And that plays into what I said to you earlier about the blood being more than just sustenance. Yeah, it's like a drug. And these are the guys who take that to the, like, well, not as only a drug, it's, we're fucking, we're gonna knock over liquor stores for our drug because we're fucking, that's how pumped on it we are. This is, man, he looks ashy too. That's good makeup. Put some fucking lotion on, bro.
00:40:23
Speaker
Every time we cut to normal reason, like, should you be in this meeting? Like, is this like qualified? This is like a high level vampire meeting. You're wearing a choker, like fucking chill out, man. Like he should just immediately be vaporized. I like this blue. Yeah. It makes it look cold.
00:40:47
Speaker
I like that. Looks like they're in the American scenes in traffic. I haven't seen traffic.
00:40:57
Speaker
I haven't seen it in so long. I really just remember the visual thing of America, blue, Mexico, yellow. Damn, Mexico's always yellow. I think they kind of, I don't know that like Soderbergh invented that, but like that definitely popularized it to like, by the time you get to Breaking Bad, people are making memes about the Mexico filter of like, yeah, it just kind of looks like piss once you go south of the border.
00:41:25
Speaker
I wonder if other countries use an American filter. Yeah, when they cut to America, they have us as a different color that looks kind of shitty. It just looks like Netflix, just any Netflix show. I mean, you know, we deserve that. You know a movie looks like a Netflix movie, but then when it's set in theaters, I like almost had a jump scare. Was that new The Rock movie with Chris Evans? Have you heard of the red one?
00:41:51
Speaker
No. What? Red Notice? No, no, no. Rock is in another movie called Red Thing that looks like a fake action comedy. Was it a Christmas movie? Yes. J.K. Simmons' Santa Claus. Hasn't this been in production for like five years or something? Well, apparently there was a story that broke like the other week that like the Rock would show up like eight hours late to set. Like I think it's been delayed because he's been kind of fucking up.
00:42:18
Speaker
Is it because of an ego thing or is he just too busy? Unclear I think I think black and kind of broke him mentally a little bit I think I think that flop because in his mind I think he knew it was just like
00:42:34
Speaker
I could hustle my way and promote anything to like being over a certain threshold of like box office success. And then when Black Adam just straight up flopped, remember when he was trying to like make up fake numbers at first, he was like, no, actually, if you like carry the two over here, it looks like, look at all this money we made.
00:42:55
Speaker
Well then, like, he looked bad because he brought Henry Cavill back. He brought him back. After he got fired. Just to get fired again. Just for it to definitively end the universe. The whole continuity ended because after that, they're just like, yep, we're done. The last shot we get of this universe is of fucking Henry Cavill just not showing up again.
00:43:21
Speaker
Well, is the last shot of this universe, is it the Flash's tooth falling out in the Flash? Or whatever the post-credits of Flash. I forgot there were more movies after Black Adam. Or wait, Aquaman 2 came after that, so I haven't even seen Aquaman 2. I don't know what the last shot of that is. Yeah.
00:43:40
Speaker
I heard it's bad. I liked Aquaman 1. I mean, I like James. I'm pro James Wan, you know? I wanted stuff to be good. Yeah, Aquaman 2 was just never anything I was gonna prioritize. I think the only thing that could get me to watch it is this podcast at this point. Hey, it's Rom Pearl, man. Hell yeah. He's the villain from Drive.
00:44:05
Speaker
Okay, I think we're allowed to say I mean I I'm saying this with love because I love him But this specific styling of his baldness. Yeah, his head looks like a dick. It looks weird It it's it's it's a dick But he's like playing a dick so maybe that's intentional they're like we're gonna make you look like the thing it's a weird choice and
00:44:33
Speaker
I do like, so far, all these scenes of him having to begrudgingly cooperate with vampires, just a lot of dick measuring. He just shows up and he's like, yeah, I'm Blade. I'm the coolest one here, obviously. And then people point weapons at him and they're like, no, we're cool. And then Blade's just like, no, I'm actually the coolest. Remember? Did he just slap Ron Palmin? Yeah, really quickly. He did it again. Oh, man.
00:45:05
Speaker
He's making Ron Perlman look like a bitch. Ron Perlman seems like he would be scary in real life. I think he just put a bomb on Ron Perlman's head. He'd like, yeah, he suicide-squatted him. I think, was that what they were showing him in the helicopter? All those bombs or something? He had a lot of shit in his coat. I wasn't sure if those were bombs or like if he had like
00:45:27
Speaker
anti-vampire poison or something something like it was enough to level like a whole building or whatever so I thought it was so he's kind of like the Joker he just walks around with explosives in his coat he's an agent of chaos is that Danny I was just about to say was it Danny in
00:45:44
Speaker
I mean, I would not have known who that was then but yeah, that's crazy that he's it was an American movie this big that early is he also playing a blind guy in this In American films he can only play cuz it isn't his character in Rogue One character in Rogue One is blind his John Wick character is blind as Ip Man blind
00:46:09
Speaker
I haven't seen it, man. Neither have I. And this guy looks like he might be blind. He can only play blind guys. I thought he might have been blind in real life after John Wick. I was like, well, two in a row. Certainly not just like making this guy blind. I mean, like I get it. It's a trope in like kung fu stuff of like the blind master or whatever. The same guy. Right.
00:46:32
Speaker
I was like, oh, he must be blind in real life, and he sells it, too. Oh, it's a great performance. Really good at acting blind. Like, he's the one, none of the John Wick spin-offs I've been interested in because I'm like, I don't really care about this world outside of Keanu, but when they announced the spin-off for his character, I'm like, I would see a Kane movie because I like that character. Yeah. Like, that character's interesting enough. I wonder what that Ana de Armas John Wick thing looks like. The ballerina. Mm-hmm.
00:47:03
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. We're gonna get more into the Russian ballerina game. I'm down to see more ballerina stuff. Let's see, but I want like real ballerina stuff like black one. Black swan? Black swan's my friend. Black swan. He has Assassin's Creed on his hands.
00:47:25
Speaker
Or Predator. Predator also has like those armed moments. But it's like how John Wick really like worked at the action to make it like stand apart I guess at times. I kind of want them like take this ballerina thing and really see where you can push it. What cool places you can do it because
00:47:47
Speaker
At the very least, like, it can be, like, another visually, like, action interesting thing. Can we crank it up a couple more of the vi- I know we're about to get a fucking cool needle drop. It's like a most def and massive attack song, yeah. Yeah.
00:48:09
Speaker
This shit's so good. But yeah, I think the ballerina thing could at least like be an opportunity to see some inventive and interesting action. I don't know who's directing it though. Is it Chad Stahelski? No, it's someone different. It might be someone without juice. I'll look it up in a second. I just gotta watch this cool walking scene. Oh, that's cool. One of them's hotter than the other because he's a daywalker. Yeah.
00:48:41
Speaker
I also like that transition, the door opens and then we just go to them being downstairs. Back to what you were saying about the ballerina, the thing that makes those John Wick movies work for me is the contrast between how as you go on, how over top and like ornate the world of assassins versus John just
00:49:03
Speaker
Not being like he's annoyed by all of it like he's annoyed that like it all this pomp and Circumstance it's like by the time you get to four. He's just like tired He's just like oh I have to do this thing and go to the thing to do the thing and it's just he's just like fed up with it and like I feel like all that world building will just get tiresome if you don't have that character who's kind of like This is all kind of stupid who has the attitude of like I don't want to be doing all this stuff I
00:49:33
Speaker
Yeah, I guess we'll have to see. I don't know because I didn't watch the Continental so I have no idea what any other John Wick spin-off even looks like. I heard it's not good. I'm just hoping for inventive action out of the ballerina. I don't know if we've really seen any
00:49:51
Speaker
Like, fucking Black Widow, they try to play with the whole ballerina thing, I think, but they don't- Is the underworld director doing ballerina? Really? Oh, then I'm absolutely not as interested in that anymore. He's kinda sauceless, right? I don't fucking have any interest in those underworld movies.
00:50:10
Speaker
I mean, she's hot. Kate Beckinsale's hot. You know, like, I'll, I'll, I'll give it, I'll give, I'll give them that. They cast a hot lady in the movies. I don't know. I have a friend. Oh, that looks gross. Oh, the guy looked like Michael Chiklis for a second. I was like, is this the shield? Uh, I have a friend that loves those underworld movies and I've tried to watch them and I can't do it. Yeah. Shit.
00:50:39
Speaker
I do like Live Free or Die Hard. The fourth Die Hard is kind of fun. That's the one with Justin Long. Yeah. I saw that once in theaters when I was a kid, whatever year that came up. Some people really hate that one. I'm perfectly fine with it. Like on the ranking of Die Hards, like, yeah, one and three are untouchable, but I might like that better than two. I don't know.
00:51:03
Speaker
Yeah, I don't remember two at all. All I know is that after rewatching one and three, I think Die Hard with a Vengeance is probably my favorite Die Hard movie. That movie is just endlessly entertaining. And Samuel Jackson gives it so much juice. Yeah. The two of them together. I would fucking we should cover the Die Hards. I would love to talk Die Hard with a Vengeance. And then and then we'll have I mean, we're going to watch all of them then, including the one with
00:51:33
Speaker
Jai Courtney. And of course, we all know and love this. You're thinking like, yeah, Boomerang. I know. Yeah. Kyle Reese from Terminator Genisys. I know. He's my favorite character and actor.
00:51:50
Speaker
We all love J. Courtney. Honestly, I don't know why he's not in more shit. No. I think he's just had really bad luck of being forced into like these roles where they tried to make him be the next guy. He has a face where it's like, I don't know, maybe put him in an indie and like, let's see like his act. Why are we putting him in all these like fucking action things?
00:52:19
Speaker
He doesn't do it for me. Yeah, I'm not... Sorry, Jai. He doesn't scream formidable when he's on screen.
00:52:31
Speaker
Especially I mean I think I mean James Gunn thought that he fucking offs him like immediately in his movie That's like not formidable. That's the best use of him. I mean I loved I just love that opening of like you setting up this Basically fake team we're gonna follow and then they get killed
00:52:49
Speaker
That was kind of mean that look like Amy Adams I've been fucked up. They're just chowing down on Amy Adams Yeah, I'm like geez catch me if you can came out around this time. What's she doing in blade? Being eaten on who's this girl with the red wig is she somebody uh? She doesn't look too familiar to me. I was gonna say something, but I forgot what I was gonna say I
00:53:15
Speaker
I liked it. We're in modern times, of course, and like a lot of characters have guns or like throwing stars. This guy just has an axe. I like the way that one guy was just moving. I like these little... Have we given a name to like the Supervamp fucking Krispy Kreme product placement? Yeah. It's a second glazed down note I've seen on this TV today.
00:53:44
Speaker
I gotta say, so far, I'm not liking this as much as the first one. And I remember liking it more. The first one, I don't know what it was, even listening back to that episode, I was just remembering how much I really enjoyed that.
00:53:59
Speaker
I think I agree, but once a fight scene starts again, I'm probably going to go back to being like, I love this. Yeah, the fighting is a huge step up from the last one. Um, but the first one just had such a solid vibe and like, yeah, like it also vibe is probably the big thing about
00:54:18
Speaker
Well, and even the story wasn't super complicated, but it still had this like propulsive energy to like I we were we were seeing it through The eye there was like an outsider being introduced to this secret world. Yeah, and I thought that element was interesting We don't have that here like who we're There are no outsiders really. We're just going straight into vampire on vampire stuff. So like yeah, I'm getting real
00:54:46
Speaker
Chronicles of Riddick kind of vibes. I mean, that's not a bad thing. I like Chronicles of Riddick. I didn't hate it. It was my least favorite of the three. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's at the bottom, but like, yeah, it's still... Riddick, I haven't had a reason to turn on Riddick. Oh. Riddick's worked with me. I'm worked for me. I'm ready for a fourth Riddick, this one that's coming up.
00:55:09
Speaker
I almost called it Furiosa, but no Furia. I thought you were gonna say for Riddick or something No, I think it's gonna be called like the planet that he's from Furia or something. Oh Furiosa That's what I almost said Furiosa. Yeah, you like through I had no idea what you were just talking about, right? I was like what because Riddick is a Furian, of course We all know this the the iconic race of warrior people
00:55:33
Speaker
We should put Riddick on the list eventually cover those. I've been trying to like avoid, uh, very blatantly obvious, like blank check covers where it's like, damn, they really fucking nailed that one. But, uh, but they don't own Riddick. Riddick's for the people. Riddick is a good one. Like mission impossible is one where I'm like, eh, I can wait on like a mission impossible or something. I mean, maybe after the franchise is like done, we get circle back.
00:56:04
Speaker
I like the, what we're doing right now with like Blade though. There's a lot of like Blade talking the news, but no one's really talking the Wesley movies. I'm trying to spotlight more on these Wesley movies. I kind of wish we had, remember how cool those vampire commandos were that he fought in his base? I like this guy's look. Yeah. I want more of those guys. Cause like once they're not in the like stealth suits,
00:56:31
Speaker
They just look like a bunch of jerks. Oh, this guy's cool. Honestly, you know, we were talking about John Wick. They really nailed the vibe and tone of like a fight scene at a party, especially in what is it for when people start running in like horror when John Wick throws somebody off like a balcony at a party. Yeah, that's for.
00:56:59
Speaker
I was like, man, John Wick just coming in and fucking up parties all around the world. I think Scud might be in trouble. Scud watch here, are we all concerned that Scud will make it through the movie?
00:57:16
Speaker
I'm liking what they're doing with the v- I can't really figure out what isn't fully connecting with me as much. The first movie just, it feels so special. I'm expecting Blade Trinity to really win me back. Oh, he shot that one in the head and that didn't even stop him. Like these guys are harder to kill.
00:57:41
Speaker
because he was just evaporating those regular vampires at the beginning. Donnie Yen, pull out that sword. Let's see what the sword is about. Has he used it yet? No, he's just stood there being blind. He's like, let me shoot the thing keeping them in between, keeping them out of here. I think that will increase my odds. Yeah, if I shoot the glass, they won't be able to get in. Oh, that's cool. I like that.
00:58:11
Speaker
Yeah, that was very del Toro to See this is the stuff where I'm locked in where we get like cool feature effects Action we didn't even touch that's del Toro signature what Ron Perlman?
00:58:26
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, obviously that's what he's bringing to this movie Because they've already worked together at this point. I think right like he was in Cronos I don't know I still have to see some of his earlier side to see most of del toro's movies
00:58:44
Speaker
I've seen blade to Should we do a specific room commentary and then Pacific not watch any because there was never a Pacific Rim sequel Because that'd be great. Why would you make a Pacific Rim sequel without del Toro? That'd be weird. Yeah, so they definitely seem like a weird move
00:59:01
Speaker
I don't think they would have done something like that. Yeah, speaking of, haven't seen John Boyega in anything in a while. He was in a Netflix movie last year that people said was good, but it like, it was a Netflix movie, but uh, the clone Tyrone is supposed to be good. I know that I was making a joke about the movie that doesn't exist.
00:59:21
Speaker
Cause he stars in it, doesn't he? I think so, but yeah, it's kind of annoying when an actual good movie ends up on streaming cause you're like, damn, I wish this had been in theaters for a little bit just so it could actually exist. I, uh, did they?
00:59:36
Speaker
Man, they cloned Tyrone. That one got away from me. I was like really busy when that came out and I still think about watching. I forgot about that. I gotta go back and watch it. I heard it really good. And I also heard that... Is that those... Fuck, what's that movie called? Sorry to Bother You?
00:59:54
Speaker
Director no no no no his next thing was a he did an Amazon series called I'm a Virgo Which is about a 13 foot tall black man in Oakland who like his parents raised him in seclusion because they're like yeah The world's gonna fucking kill you because you're like a really tall black man Abnormally tall and then it's kind of like him coming up
01:00:17
Speaker
getting out of the house and like discovering the world finding love but there's like other weird elements to like his girlfriend has super speed but it's like the most depressing depiction of a speedster because they do that familiar thing of like that was cool when he crawled away like that did you see how he got out of the sword thing he just split his dick yeah I'm sorry what were you saying I just couldn't ignore that
01:00:42
Speaker
No, it's cool and it reminds me of, I think some of this stuck with del Toro because one of the key elements of his vampire book series, which then later became that FX series, The Strain, is that when you become a vampire, your genitalia falls off. It's not like sexy vampires. They're like, this is a gross parasite and you become like a gross little monster thing.
01:01:06
Speaker
That's upsetting del Toro did that he've co he the books that it was based off of he co-wrote And then I think he produced the show and maybe directed a couple episodes. That's really upsetting Yeah, there's like a whole multiple chapters dedicated to this rock star that gets infected and you're like They do describing like when he wakes up with his no more dick, and I'm like what the fuck I
01:01:32
Speaker
I can't do it when that vampire was stabbed into the wall with the sword though that looked really cool How he was just hanging there that felt very del Toro This look to this feels very del Toro this blue reminds me a lot of pans labyrinth damn these guys are freaks I
01:01:56
Speaker
Yeah, I think oh, I like that man, okay. He also took that design remember that I forgot how much so literally the man's Crazy the vampires in the strain also do that so he literally just was just like I really like this idea of These guys visually, and I'm just gonna do that in another vampire vampires like its mouth opened up all like fucking crazy and
01:02:22
Speaker
all these vampires are doing awesome shit we talked over oh I love it that's fuck that would be so gross uh it's like the face hugger yeah but also the predators face when it's open but then it's got the suck the suction shit this is like
01:02:41
Speaker
Fuckin' freaky body horror. Yeah, this is grosser than I remember. I don't remember this. This is hard for me to watch. So this one is leaning more into horror in a way that I'm really vibing with it and that is maybe why I liked it more? This is the most into the movie I've been so far. I mean that action was fucking crazy and it went from badass action to now we're in a straight-up horror movie.
01:03:04
Speaker
It's cool. And this is some of the most scary and upsetting vampire shit I think I've ever seen on screen. I actually I haven't seen a whole lot of vampire stuff though. A lot of vampire stuff I'll be into but then not actually like be scared of it if that makes sense because like
01:03:24
Speaker
And some of it isn't even meant to be. Like, if I'm watching Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula, I'm like, this is a beautifully made movie with good performance and, like, creepy atmosphere, but it's not... He got bit, but he's hiding it? Or did she know he got bit? I think he's hiding it, but fucking Rictus, man, they got him.
01:03:45
Speaker
Rick Rick distance were scrotus. Yeah, let's go to start off screen What movie wanted to that's what if George Miller comes back? He's like I've got the scrotus movie We're gonna find out what happened. That's what the wasteland is like. Oh max was never intended to be in the Scrotus story
01:04:08
Speaker
Man, they spent a lot of time getting the look of these guys right and doing the effects for them. It's really cool Ron Perlman was really in like his own here because this has to be around alien resurrection, right a Couple year what year was he was really the guy who was like a part of the team, you know, he was the fucking this Badass that was on the team. Yeah. Sorry. I agree with all that but the
01:04:38
Speaker
Just the body horror on these guys is uncomfortable. Yeah, I know. It's really effective. It's doing its job, but it's grossing me out.
01:04:48
Speaker
Which is good. I'm like I did not remember I don't remember this movie having that horror element daylight is coming I like this this is the best part of the movie this whole like the fight breaking out at the party all this horror and now they're concerned about Daylight is coming so the other vampires got it like get out of there
01:05:09
Speaker
They found a way to make it cuz yeah, you have the stakes of that There's like multiple stakes coming one after another after another first we have this fight now they're morphing and now Daylight and they found a way to make vampires dangerous again because even in the first movie when blades facing off the vampires You're never like I'm never worried of like I think he's gonna be fine But like by introducing these new guys these new guys are fucking up
01:05:36
Speaker
Vampires willy-nilly so you're I'm kind of like oh blade might have trouble with this this is like a new threat for everybody's Kind of overwhelmed blades keeping his cool. He can still be a badass, but look he's kind of still yeah a little bit He's like fucking on his toes man. He's he's breaking a sweat a little bit. He's already got his weapons out and
01:06:01
Speaker
Like, this is new for him, he's like, I don't know what the fuck any of this is, this is like taxes, I never deal with this. Yeah, he's like, I've never dealt with taxes, never dealt with these hybrids. Now he's dealt with the hybrids though, no taxes. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. I think these guys are from the IRS actually. Yeah, we talked over that part when they said that.
01:06:25
Speaker
Maybe that's why he hates Ryan Reynolds. What is in those blades that he injected into him? I don't know. Some of that looked a little rubbery and fake, but I'm cool with it because the whole aesthetic of it was interesting and it still fits with the body horror that we've seen these guys contort and stuff. Yeah, when it comes to CGI around this time, I tend to be more forgiving of it.
01:06:54
Speaker
the times where I'm critical are when I'm like why did you do CGI when you should have done practical not necessarily with this movie but with other movies yeah where I'm like you could have done this in a better way that would have looked better
01:07:09
Speaker
especially in like the years that some of these movies that this applies to came out it's almost like it feels like CGI is the more expensive option at that time right like it becomes the go-to and cheaper option by now but like that was
01:07:25
Speaker
a more recent within the past couple decades thing you used to have to really choose your effect shots because they were so expensive that was the thing with like alien three where i was like what was the reasoning behind why the cgi shots are cgi in there like
01:07:43
Speaker
Well, wasn't it a lot of just shots and things being changed and that was just the quicker way to do it? I don't remember. I know there's probably an explanation, but because the script was completely different at certain point, right? Like they changed a lot.
01:08:00
Speaker
I think like they were going to do a suit, but for some reason they chose not to. Well, because they did a different design too because there was going to be like a dog alien. There was going to be a dog and then there was another animal. It was going to be at a certain point like a cow or something. And I think there's pictures online of like they built a thing for it.
01:08:20
Speaker
Yeah, there are like a whole bunch of like oh we almost did this but then they went with like CGI. Like have you seen the behind the scenes of the thing prequel where they almost did practical things for that? I didn't see the behind the scenes but someone told me that and that's one of those things where I'm like
01:08:37
Speaker
Well, yeah, if you can do it, like, why not? Well, especially because the thing, carpenters, the thing is one of the most famous practical effects movies ever. And if you're doing something following that or a prequel to that, it just makes it. And what I saw from the behind the scenes, it looked cool. And I don't.
01:08:55
Speaker
I have on my list too for commentary ideas doing that thing prequel. Would we watch it in chronological order? Like we watch that one and then carpenters? I'm done to do it that way. Watch it in chronological order. Because from what I remember they do, it leads directly into it. It does. Yeah, the dog carries over into it because it begins with them chasing the dog. Yeah, and it ends with them chasing the dog.
01:09:23
Speaker
or like at that point it ends on the dog I saw the thing prequel back in like 2012 right when I got out of high school or no maybe it was 2013 after my first year of college um
01:09:47
Speaker
And I remember actually enjoying it, finding it pretty scary, but it was never as scary as the original, because the original, even if it's not jump scare scary, it's fucking gross. Especially seeing it as a kid. And there's a lot of psychological tension to it. Stomach? Oh yeah, all that stuff is incredible, but the thing that resonates for me and why
01:10:12
Speaker
the carpenters the thing is one of my favorite horror movies ever is that it's just does such a good job of building tension and the distrust between everyone that you are you know especially first time watching you're like I don't even know who I can trust and I feel like you don't from what I remember that's not really an element in the prequel also I remember the thing would just kind of attack people
01:10:35
Speaker
out in the open willy-nilly which made it look kind of dumb in a way where the thing when it would attack and replace people and the other one would kind of try and be in secret and get people isolated and it was just acting like a dumb animal in the the prequel and it would just like start running at someone with two heads i'm like that's why is it it's not even threatened in this point like it would only attack unless it was
01:11:01
Speaker
About to be revealed or you know like it had trying to hide right doesn't want to be noticed right its purpose is to blend in So like it didn't make sense the way it behaved in that one I didn't like that element of it. Let's put those two on what we mentioned it on mike, so it's cannon. Yeah, it's cannon So we'll do that eventually these guys got juice cannon
01:11:25
Speaker
Um, I do remember like crowns of like, like teeth crowns being, uh, a plot point. Oh, because it's like a thing. It can't replicate or something. Like when it tries to, it's kind of like the idea of, uh, there was something else in the, in the rigid or rather in the, the carpenter one. Oh, like your clothes get fucked up when it changes when it, when, when it takes you or something, like someone's clothes are found and they kind of do that with like a teeth crown.
01:11:55
Speaker
I wanna, man, I wanna watch this prequel now. It's been 11 years since I've seen it. Yeah, I don't think I've seen it since it came out. Let's put it on the list. Yeah, no, I agree. We'll do it. Put it on the list. Okay, I'll do it. Mark it. Look at this. I like that. That guy's weird mouth.
01:12:17
Speaker
The the mouth combined with I I like the performances we're getting from the different levels of these guys because this guy is like he's Drained like he really needs to feed bad So he's like moving so slowly and it's kind of just weakly he was biting towards blade there like almost almost like a dying animal kind of like I
01:12:42
Speaker
man that's crazy too being so close to something that's like if I could I would eat you right now right and now they're just doing speaking of the thing this kind of feels thing is that they're just doing a vampire autopsy right now man Wesley looks fucking good
01:13:07
Speaker
This movie's kind of gross. I like that. I can't look. That's so gross.
01:13:16
Speaker
I love it. I'm looking away. I can't. This is really good. Who? I'm becoming too sensitive to body stuff as I get older. I'm more into it. Like now I, I, it's not like I was ever not into David Cronenberg, but within the past like year or so, I've like doubled down on like being a Cronenberg guy and all his stuff is body horror. Well, not all this stuff, but like a vast majority of it's body horror.
01:13:44
Speaker
They're like lingering on this mouth that keeps cutting. You're not even watching. You're looking away more than me. Because I'm looking up who did it because it looks really good, the fucking makeup and stuff. It does look really good.
01:14:02
Speaker
I used to be able to handle all of this and like the saws and like hostile. Oh, well the saws are just cartoons to me at this point. They're kind of like... Yeah, they're over the top. Well, Saw X has someone like sawing through their fucking femur.
01:14:20
Speaker
Kind of. I mean, it does, but I saw it, but it wasn't like disturbing to me at those parts. Cause like, uh, it's not disturbing on a level of like where the cameras in this like weird fucking gross like this. Oh, yeah, this is so good. Uh,
01:14:44
Speaker
Can't I mean if you have it looking this good you got to show it. I can't do an autopsy scene This is this is incredible. Yeah, I just because of the grossness in the doubling down on horror It is maybe making me say I know at the beginning I was on the same side like yeah I guess the first one is better, but all this stuff is so good and gnarly and
01:15:08
Speaker
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I think this is the movie operating on its best level it has, but it's like, I'm just at a point where I can't always handle stuff like this anymore. I love it. I've become such a bitch with stuff. That's like, uh, to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to- to
01:15:32
Speaker
Anytime I've had that feeling in my- because I hesitate watching that director's first movie. That wasn't even that bad. I like- Raw was too hyped up as like a fucking- But most movies that people say that are grossed are not that bad. Like it's never as bad as the reputation of it, I feel like. That's true.
01:15:55
Speaker
Some movies I'm not willing to test that though, like a Serbian film. Well, that just doesn't sound like something I'd be into. Saylo's one where I'm like, do I want to test and see if that movie's as upsetting? I'm sure it'll be upsetting. The test is like, does that sound like an interesting movie to me? I don't know that that is. Not to me. Yeah. I don't know that that's something I'm seeking out. But, um.
01:16:21
Speaker
this kind of grossness I'm into and it just makes me appreciate the craft of it. That's what I was trying. Like there's multiple people listed under me. Like there's, there's just a teeth guy on the makeup list. So like they, they have people, different people working at every level of this shit. Oh, he's got the trench coat. Ah,
01:16:41
Speaker
Well, but I feel like anytime he fights in this one, he's not going to have the coat so he can walk around with it. He can leave it, but he just it's a part of him, man. That's what this movie is about. It's about his relationship with this trench coat. I mean, it's a longer running relationship than he has with the woman in the first movie, Lady Doctor.
01:17:05
Speaker
lady doctor. Man, she was a good lady. That was pretty progressive for the nineties. Like a lady as a doctor. That's crazy. And this economy, I didn't know what word to say. It was like climate. I'm still looking at the makeup list. There's so many people like credited for it. Yeah. It's crazy.
01:17:32
Speaker
I'm so glad we're past that scene. Let's do another autopsy roll in another body like we got another one Just how long we have like two hours or an hour left of chest autopsy There's not even any more fights they just keep doing more autopsies, it's crazy What what's going on with his chest there? Oh
01:18:06
Speaker
and that's how they started working together. I like the choice of Powerpuff Girls playing the whole time. That's the main thing Scud's got going for him. I don't know that I like this character other than the fact that he watches Powerpuff Girls. And so it makes him relatable. Like it makes him feel real of like, I guess I could work for Blade because I watch Powerpuff Girls. He actually looks like a person in this scene too.
01:18:24
Speaker
Oh, a vampire was tearing pieces out.
01:18:34
Speaker
I like this version of Scud Morgan. Well, because he's wearing like Hawaiian shirt. Well, no, get the jacket off. Yeah, take the jacket off. Once he puts the jacket on and starts trying to look cool. That's when he looks like fucking Daryl Dixon. Don't look like that. Yeah, wear the like weird dorky like thing where you think it's cool. Those guns look crazy. They just have blades on the ends of them. Make Scud the guy who like is wearing shit that's like not as cool as he thinks it is, but he's still wearing it in a cool way, you know?
01:19:04
Speaker
Yeah, I like that bit of Scott. We just got well until he put the jacket on yeah, I was yeah This movie like did really pick up at that party though
01:19:15
Speaker
Like right after I said I wasn't feeling it as much, it immediately picked up. There's like momentum now. Yeah. And Wesley's looking better than he has. There's momentum. There's stakes because you're like, well, they can all be killed by these guys. I don't know. Maybe Blade Trinity blades dead. He could die during this. Who knows?
01:19:35
Speaker
Zombie blade. Oh, okay. I mean we already We're gonna pitch that to mark fall Kevin Feige. We've solved your blade What if that's our running theme for everything is just the last entry of every franchise is is this guy zombie?
01:19:53
Speaker
I mean I still stand by that being my read of that movie I think the film supports that that Michael Myers was a zombie and Zombie oh my god the director's name is zombie. I think I said that in the come to me that we're gonna watch Toy Story 4 and we're gonna be like so what's up with Woody you see a zombie in this one toy zombie I
01:20:18
Speaker
I feel like there are fan theories of like, is Woody actually dead and this is all his dream? There's someone who says that for every movie. I think the main character actually died in that one scene, and this is all just his dream. It's a Jacob's Ladder scenario. Yeah, okay, there's a couple movies where that actually is the case, but let's not say that for every movie.
01:20:41
Speaker
Has Donnie Yen done with me? He was fighting, I think. Did we see the full fight though? I feel like we cut away and didn't even see him kill his vampire. They kept cutting back and forth. I don't remember exactly. I feel like we would have remembered if we saw actual cool Donnie Yen stuff. That's why I'm unsure about doing Invasion of the Body Snatchers as my first watch, because these are movies I've seen multiple times before and I'm having a hard time keeping up.
01:21:12
Speaker
No, but I just your reactions are gonna be so good. I feel like watch. I feel like we'd need a third I don't know I'll have to think about it. I don't really that movie seems like I Need to like that seems like it's not a Rob Zombie Halloween word like we could poo-poo off the dialogue You know what I mean?
01:21:35
Speaker
No, disagree. I'm kind of the expert on it. It's one of my favorite horror movies and favorite movies general. I think you should just watch it. You think the dialogue is useless in that movie? Not useless, but it's more about the vibe and the paranoia of it than the actual dialogue. The dialogue is kind of just a means to the it's not.
01:21:54
Speaker
the dialogue's not the main part of the movie. It's in vibe, it's in the performances, and it's in the tone and the paranoia. And it's got a good script on the level of
01:22:09
Speaker
A lot of people, when they think of good screenwriting, they think of lines of dialogue. Good screenwriting is structure, pacing, and how spaced apart are these reveals, or when do you show the audience certain things. I think it's a perfect script on that level. I don't think you need to be picking up every single piece of dialogue to get that.
01:22:30
Speaker
Like, I'm not even... I'm trying to think of memorable lines in the movie. It's not really about the lines. Well, not even memorable lines, but like, even like this movie, like, there's so much shit like I haven't been able to keep track of just because we've been talking over... But we're still following the movie, like, I don't know. Like, what are you confused about in this?
01:22:52
Speaker
This is probably more complicated than I've needed I've needed you to explain like most of what's happened And I haven't been able to keep track of a single word Set in this one. I think then like the Rob Zombie ones I just straight-up didn't pay attention to what they were saying, but that was more like
01:23:08
Speaker
you didn't really need to even on their Halloween remakes like that's just a completely different like beast than I mean what we're doing with this having like all this mythology this is completely different than the Halloween's we were watching
01:23:25
Speaker
But how much of the mythology do you need to know to be able to follow it? I mean, film is a visual medium and I feel like actual truly great films. Doug. Doug. I just told you my experience that I'm having a hard time following it and you're telling me how much. Yeah, I'm telling you you're experiencing it wrong.
Blade 2 Character Dynamics & Humor
01:23:42
Speaker
Fix yourself.
01:23:45
Speaker
But yeah, so I just think if we do the body snatchers I'd like to maybe have a third person here so I can feel more comfortable Watching and not necessarily feel as obligated to speak as much you know what I mean Oh, you don't have to speak I'll do the talking like you know cuz I'll guide you through it like I said That's like that's like my mood Donald Donald Sutherland's like one of my favorite actors ever and that's his best
01:24:15
Speaker
movie for me. I mean, he's been in so many of my favorite horror movies like that. Don't Look Now. Clute's not a horror movie. It's more of a thriller. But like he's he's just like if I did a list of my favorite 70s movies, half of them would have Donald Sutherland. I might watch the 50s Body Snatchers first then. Oh, that would actually be pretty good. That'd be fun context to have because they they do a couple of references to it.
01:24:45
Speaker
All these guys of, I, yeah, so the one element downside of us missing dialogue is like, I'm sure they've given these guys an official name, these like ultra vampires. And that's, I'm just gonna keep calling them super vampires or ultra vampires. Yeah, then I haven't even, I'm just like, yeah, they look different. We know who we're talking about. Might be racist. I'm like, the bad ones are the ones that look different.
01:25:15
Speaker
That's kind of crazy. She killed herself just to take that guy out. Run, Pearlman. You sick fuck. Yeah, he just wanted to burn his hand? Why'd he do that? He was testing if that was real light?
01:25:33
Speaker
I think maybe he needed to really feel it to grasp the reality of what happened. You know like when people tell you not to touch a hot stove you're like well fuck you I'm gonna touch it. My interpretation was maybe he's like fuck yeah that is sunk god damn it she's dead.
01:25:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's kind of like it was hard to read a little bit It seemed like he might have been enjoying it at first when the way he was holding it in his face I was like is this like his fetish look like he was kind of like fuck. I'm still a vampire
01:26:05
Speaker
He checks every now and then. Yeah, it could have been a lot of things. Or maybe it was all of them at once. He's secretly the deepest character. Anytime you get to a monster lair and you see a pile of bones, I love that. Also, yeah, anytime you're in a sewer or water layer of monsters, you get a good opportunity of things to just pop out. Oh, man.
01:26:37
Speaker
Wesley get out of the water leave her in the water. You don't need to risk your life Yeah, I guess you could have thrown that from water failing of the movie But I don't actually care about any of these other vampires and I but I don't know if I'm supposed to I mean we care about blade and blades crew, but like like the other guys Blade doesn't even really care about these people. He's just working with them cuz he has to I
01:27:04
Speaker
Now is Blade his legal name or is that a nickname he got? Like his birth certificate? Is it because of his sword he got that name? That's actually a great question. Or does mom call her Blade? Blade. If he was a girl it would have been... Blade-dee-dah. Blade-dee-dah. Blade-at. Blade-at. Oh man.
01:27:35
Speaker
What's this girl's deal? We're losing a lot. That's though I made the comment about like, should we care about these ancillary backup vampires? Because other than Ron, Ron Perlman, we haven't really like even been shown anything about them other than like some of them, like, well, yeah, we, we know they suck because they're vampires, but like, so blade,
01:28:03
Speaker
need somebody to fuck in this movie. I was just thinking like why isn't there like a love interest connection with one of these vampires because then they could have the tension of like well obviously after the threats deal with blades gonna have to kill all these guys but then like like oh but he's in love now with one either make like his relationship with that girl like a little bit more fun and flirty
01:28:30
Speaker
or make her like a Rebecca Ferguson to Tom Cruise style like adversary, but she's kind of just like nothing to him on any level. Ron Perlman almost has more romantic chemistry with Blade than she does. Not almost, he does. He 100% does. That's not even almost. He's a better like, not adversary, but like
01:28:58
Speaker
What would the word be? Foil? Foil, but they do have chemistry in the scenes when they're facing off against each other. This is cool. I like this. He fits both of the roles I mentioned that she fails to fit. Right, because I'm like, does he care about her? I don't think he does, based on what the movie has shown us. I mean, his character actively doesn't even look in her direction when he's speaking to her.
01:29:30
Speaker
But that's where I'm like, it could work if you make her a good enough, like, partner to him to where she's like Rebecca Ferguson in the Mission Impossible movies. No, I'm agreeing with this note. I think that would help the movie. I'm just also locked into this part because I think this is very effective. Wesley should either have a hot woman or a strong woman with him.
01:29:55
Speaker
you know agreed um but then we're gonna watch either that so jessica biel is in the next one she i don't know that it's what we said we want from though like is it i don't think she's the love interest so she's a strong woman i didn't say go white women it's like this woman's like what russian or something i i russians are white but like
01:30:22
Speaker
you know not american i guess what i mean sure but jessica biel is she could be from fucking you know midlothian illinois or something maybe your character is i literally don't remember this lady also could be not she could be from midlothian you don't know i don't know why i went she
01:30:43
Speaker
Her voice might like sound a little rough. There's so many of these guys This is what's pretty effective about because I feel like we never fully left horror zone Once we got to the club part like it kind of there Yeah, there's action here, but there's still the tension of like oh my god. There's so fucking many of these guys I feel like a little bit of a failing of this might be is um
01:31:11
Speaker
Wesley is the only one who gets like any opportunity to do anything like visually interesting when it comes to the action.
01:31:20
Speaker
I thought there were cool moments during the club fight when they were fighting cutting to the different vampires getting killed off by the like Nosferatu's at the club. I kind of missed off on like Who was doing like war like in terms of differentiating between them? Yeah, I couldn't tell you but like actually like as a whole the action like really worked and seemed awesome to me, but I
01:31:49
Speaker
Wesley's the only one where in my head I remember things he did. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I agree with that. What was I about to look up? Something about Blade that I wanted to look up. Does he do dances? Does it have to do with Jessica Beale? Oh, I'm just gonna let that be a surprise of what her deal is in the next one. All I remember is that she's in it, and I think she listens to an iPod Nano while she kills vampires.
01:32:19
Speaker
Are you sure she's not in it and it's just Whisper who's in it the whole time? No, I'm kidding Whisper is now a hot chick Jessica Beals shows up who's like hi, I'm whistler It's been me. Whistler, I said whisper didn't I? Ooh, that should be his next sidekick whisper. Is he about to get killed again? Uh-oh, he's whispering in his ear
01:32:47
Speaker
Yeah. I think I've been calling him whisper this whole episode too, and it hasn't been pointed out until now. I mean, whisper is a good name. It's so close to Whistler. Dang. I forgot what I was going to look up. It was, yeah. So he does. Is this supposed to be sad? Like, did he care about her?
01:33:15
Speaker
Now he's just checking to see if she's got any weapons he could take or something. What is she doing? She's inching towards him because she wants to fucking feed. And now he's going to see if they had been in. Oh, he's going to let her feed. Oh, OK, so he's going to.
01:33:37
Speaker
So she's not actually infected. She's just bleeding out. I forgot she's a vampire. I was like, wait, did they turn her? Um, forgot that these guys are also vampires. Um, well, and I said this in the first one that like, there's like an inherent sexuality to vampire stuff because she now she's feeding on his arm and I'm like, okay, well that's kind of horny, but like,
01:34:08
Speaker
It kind of didn't... It... I don't think that relationship is supposed to be a romantic one other than in that scene it was sexual that she was feeding on his arm, but like, I don't... I don't think we're meant to read them as any kind of couple. And this is... Oh my god, the vampires are betraying Blade? That's crazy.
01:34:33
Speaker
Ron Perlman's all fucked up. Yeah, his face looks cool. Uh, I mean, that's just... You expect some great...
01:34:41
Speaker
fucked up lookin' makeup in this movie and they're delivering it on multiple fronts. Oh my god, they shocked Whistler. Now she's back. I think she's supposed to be the love interest, but we did not clock that as what her role was until just that of me being like, wait, are they, are they supposed to be a thing? She's a pretty bad love interest. I literally- Is she supposed to be? Or is she just like,
01:35:11
Speaker
Chick that happens to be on the team, but blades body language in like face when he finds her seemed to be like some kind of oh he cares for her and then She's like the daughter of this head vampire So that should be some kind of tension of like a cool shot. That is a cool shot some kind of tension of
01:35:35
Speaker
Well, almost like a west side story of like these two sides can't be together, but that's not actually the tension of the movie. You know, it's just, it's not really concerned with a love interest. Do you know what I mean? Wouldn't that be cool if you had like vampire west side story of like they want to be together, but they can't because they're from different sides. Like that'd be kind of good. I agree.
01:36:03
Speaker
It feels like this movie needs it. Yeah, it's like obviously it's not hot enough. Del Toro has the last movie was kind of hot. He's got the monster stuff and horror stuff on lock. But yeah, the first one was horny. I mean, his mom was trying to fuck him. So I'm guessing Trinity is like not hot at all. Are you talking about it's got Ryan Reynolds, the sexiest, the sexiest man of all time. I.
01:36:32
Speaker
I'm just so curious what that movie is. That's a movie. I mean, maybe I'll need to be more locked into that than Body Snatchers. Maybe I'm concerned about the wrong things. Well see, like all this exposition here, I feel like this is so much more than they ever explain things in Body Snatchers, because I'm like, wait, what's their plan?
01:36:49
Speaker
Yeah, this is a hard movie to keep track of and like talk at the same time at least for me I like trying to and like there was some of that in the first movie when they got to like the villains plot of like the thing but I it was kind of easy to figure out like oh they want to use blades blood there's a lot of exposition dumps in this movie
01:37:09
Speaker
And I feel like Blade 1 did have them, but they like were more fluid or what's the word I'm looking for? And you kind of got it because it was like they're vampires. He's a daywalker. You kind of get what's going on. His mom shows up. You kind of get it. This like you're going deep.
01:37:26
Speaker
They're adding like sci-fi, gene, combine, like this is like getting into like Metal Gear Solid level like genetic manipulation plots, you know? And I'm like, I'm not, I need like some cliff notes. We are fully in sci-fi like Marvel land. I don't even know if any of this is from the comics, but this- It feels comic-y in a way. Yeah, I know what you mean.
01:37:56
Speaker
And that's not even like a criticism, it's surprisingly a dense movie for like the kind of movie it is. In terms of like all the lore and stuff, yeah. Marvel would be too afraid to do all this shit now, I feel like. Yeah, because well, in memory- Guardians don't, I mean, Guardians doesn't really do lore, they do world building, but- But then even when they do have comic-y stuff, they kind of like,
01:38:21
Speaker
Are smirking about it and like making a joke at their own expense to almost undercut it of like well We don't want you to think we're lame. So we're gonna joke about it first kind of like the fucking uh, when Alfred Molina was like i'm auto octavius and no way home and they're like, huh? Yeah, really, but what's your name? You know, it's like
01:38:42
Speaker
There is a Doc Ock joke in Spider-Man 2, but the joke isn't that the people within the world think this is funny. The joke is like Jonah trying to come up with branding for this doctor with multiple limbs whose name Octavia. Which is a smarter joke to make instead of just people being like, hey, your name's funny.
01:39:07
Speaker
Okay, so you're not even trying. Yeah, you're just like pointing at a thing and being like, huh, that's silly. Yeah, being like, isn't that weird that they named him that? It was
R-rated Film Potential: Blade & Superheroes
01:39:18
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like, well, you called, you agreed to them, that was his name. So no, I don't think that's funny on its own. Yeah, I don't always like when movies point out like, hey, isn't this thing we're doing dumb? It's like, well, then don't do it. Why are you pointing? Why are you telling me? Yeah, it's like, I don't know. Take, oh.
01:39:37
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So, did Scud betray them? Did I miss that and what just happened? Cause he blew up Scud. I think Scud was a traitor. Yeah.
01:39:47
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I'm gonna assume that's what... Blade wouldn't have killed an innocent guy, so I'm just gonna assume that Scud sucked. Yeah, Blade, he has Jedi rules. He doesn't attack an unarmed man. Or Punisher, if you... any depiction I've seen of the Punisher, he's just shooting into crowds and never hits a bystander. And you're like, oh, he's a really good aim. You think the MCU does Punisher?
01:40:11
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He's gonna be in the Daredevil thing, the new born again. Like, you think they, like, are gonna do Punisher? Like... Bernthal said that he wasn't coming back unless he got to do, like, an R-rated thing. So, like, I don't know. They maybe could have just been like, shut up, here's a bunch of money. And he was like, all right, I guess I'm back. But I'm really hope... Because, like, also, like Blade, Punisher's one of those guys where I'm like, I don't want a PG-13.
01:40:41
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Version yeah, this torture is kind of rough went right through the rest
01:40:51
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Yeah, Marvel's really getting into some weird territory, but it's like, yeah, just do the R rating, man. It's like, let's say, you know, Iron Man came out and you were fucking 12. It's like, even, let's say Iron Man came out and you were like eight.
01:41:11
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You're good to see R-rated movies, man. You have to be 17, so everyone who grew up on these movies are already old enough to see them. Yeah, just serve that audience. Make stuff for adults. You can still have heroes that are aimed at kids, but that doesn't need to be every single story.
01:41:31
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Yeah, it's like your audience has grown up with this fucking shit their whole lives. Like we're approaching a point where the MCU has been around for 18 years. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. Like you can allow yourself to make, you know, movies that it's just ridiculous.
01:41:52
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It's crazy to I guess I'm not really I didn't realize until we had this conversation about like how plotty some of the movie like this is so this is like we're getting into like vampire family politics and you get what I mean with the Chronicles of Riddick comparison.
01:42:09
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a little bit, because that goes so hard on lore. It's just Vin Diesel being like- All their two movies just aren't doing that. Yeah,
Blade 2 Visuals & Narratives
01:42:18
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it's more just like there is world building, but it's not stopping to be like, okay, so hold on. We gotta tell you about the Necromongers. Like, wait, who are they? Okay, so they go through the galaxy and then blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that's what this feels like. Of like, okay, so we gotta explain. The Royal Vampire Families, and they're like, what?
01:42:39
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what are they doing yeah man i'm i might do a riddick rewatch eventually um i gotta give chronicles a better shake i just like uh pitch black and riddick so so much more but oh chronicles i didn't uh hate i i i agree with that i and i
01:42:59
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The way that I like any kind of creative big swing, I do applaud Chronicles, and maybe part of me associates it with the game, which the game is so much better than that movie, but it's not even the story of the movie. It's like a prequel before Pitch Black, actually, the game, when the game takes place. You find out how he got his eyeshine in all the start of his
01:43:24
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He looks so gross now. He almost looks like, do you remember? Looks like he's bell palsy or? Do you remember Tarantino in Planet Terror, his cameo, where he's like when he starts melting and transforming into like a gross zombie guy? I would have to see it again. I haven't seen Planet Terror in well over 10 years. He's like an evil army guy. I might have seen Planet Terror at your house actually. Oh, that sounds right.
01:43:54
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I'm pretty sure I watched Death Proof at your house. Not in terms of who he is in the story, but is the business suit vampire guy, is he somebody? Every time they cut to him, I'm like, am I supposed to know who you are? I think in the terms of the MCU, he's Sam Rockwell's character from Iron Man 2.
01:44:17
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I think that's who he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't he supposed to be coming back in like an iron person adjacent story thing? Does he not die in Iron Man 2 the same way Jeff Bridges dies?
01:44:34
Speaker
Nope, he just like gets does he even get arrested? I feel like he just fucks off and we don't see him He definitely doesn't die and they let him go they were like we got that like weird bird, dude So you're kind of good to go see I mean you do dance really well, and you're very charming, so I think we'll let you go Maybe you'll make a movie called Argyle one day and then I didn't finish Argyle I
01:45:02
Speaker
Rewatching earlier earlier Matthew Vaughn stuff like I rewatched layer cake last month or kind of recently I was like this was so good. It makes you I'm like, I don't know Maybe I should give our guy all the other shot out of respect to Matthew Vaughn whenever they open their mouth. It's always gross. Yeah Man and him like eating that dude right there was pretty fucking intense and
01:45:27
Speaker
It's they did a great job of like finding a way to like make vampires scared because like this even though it's just one movie in it could still be very of like well we know what we're dealing with here vampires whatever but like they're like no this is like a new more dangerous kind of vampire and they're scary and are these SWAT people with guns vampires yes okay everyone's vampires basically here
01:45:59
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They're just building a wall around them. It's kind of like the logic in The Beekeeper of Jeremy Irons being like, well, we can't kill Jason Statham, but we're just going to keep throwing a bunch of goons at him. And hopefully it slows him down. Actually, I haven't seen The Beekeeper. Oh, you haven't? No. It's pretty fun. I was supposed to see it. I didn't end up getting the chance to.
01:46:26
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I mean, it's ridiculous, but I had a good time with it. Yeah. Amber and I were supposed to see it in theaters. We'll see it eventually. She's a big Statham fan.
01:46:44
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Oh, I think we're about to get to this is like specifically, like I said, I had my friend Roland's place I would go to after school sometimes, and he just had like every every movie, every game, but like especially like any R-rated thing. And I think like we would just go to like scene selection. All right, let's pull up this fight because this thing's so badass. I think we're about to get that right here.
01:47:11
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Cause like, the first movie has that scene of him supercharging on blood and kicking a bunch of ass. So this is kind of like, well, I guess we got to do that. Every movie where he gets, he kind of gets a little blood infusion. And why is Ron Perlman so sure that he'd solve that? He's like, yeah, blade problem, taken care of. It looked like he missed a blade most of the shot. He's like, I shot the fuck out of him. He's like, I nailed it. He is, no one's ever been more dead than the blade. Yeah.
01:47:41
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I'm the hero of this movie. I think I just solved everything. Look at Wesley. Is this the first time we're getting him without glasses? Yeah, cuz he's he's always had him in this one. He'd take him off more in one. Yeah, they were off a lot in one. But that just makes us more impactful. Yeah, he's about to fuck these guys up. I know man. He's getting ready. They got their six sticks from Minority Report ready.
01:48:08
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This song is good too. Crystal Method, name of the game. Oh shit. Boom. I like his stance. Wesley, he's great at selling this physicality. And look at his arm work and his hands. There's something about like his, it just, it looks good.
01:48:31
Speaker
Like, it looks like he's really killing some of these guys. When he stomped on that one guy's head, I'm like, I think he killed that guard. No, he's very good at, uh, action choreography. And just selling the physicality of like- And just looking like a total badass while he's doing it. He looks so fucking cool!
01:48:48
Speaker
Has anyone ever looked cooler? Look what he's doing. He does it like he's dancing. There's a very like rhythmic movement. It's almost like he's, they played the song. He's fighting. He's like, I'm, I'm fighting to this blades. Like this is half song or half a fighting half dance. They're breakdance fighting. Oh man. They keep coming too.
01:49:18
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Ron Perlman just... He's just standing back sending guys who's like... He's a bad boss. He's not like a Star Wars villain where they make their employees watch them fight. No, he's the opposite. How he stood up immediately was great. Oh, man. Was that hidden in an umbrella?
01:49:47
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think that's blades sword yeah blades blade he's like you can't kill me with my own blade I'm blade oh shit look at that that look of focus he looks like a fucking master kill nice he quoted his line back to him oh fuck
01:50:12
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Nice. Right down the middle. Like a fucking samurai. He's so cool. I wonder how him and Ron Perlman got along. Yeah, I'm curious. At least from what I've heard, Ron Perlman seems like an easy-going guy, so I don't know if it would have been a battle of egos, like to the level of like,
01:50:36
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that I could see Wesley beefing with other co-stars. Like I, hopefully they got along fine. No, the Whistler is destroying all the vampires. I like that you're calling him the Whistler. I think it's just Whistler. He has a title now. Drop the the, it's cleaner. I don't get rid of the definite article. I'm not one of those fucking Brits. I can't do a British accent. Whistler.
01:51:06
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Do you know blades British in the comics that we talked about this in the first yeah, I think we did yeah it's funny now that Wesley is such the Iconic like I feel like in the comics they drop that immediately after these moves like no He's actually always been American and looked kind of like Wesley Snipes because that's what blade is we just all agreed This guy just doesn't quit
01:51:34
Speaker
And I'm not really invested in this family saga. You know, it's just like, Oh, father, son. So his son is spreading this, this vampire plague. They have to stop. And I'm just like, I don't know. They're all, they're all awful. So.
01:51:58
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I mean, I like looking at these guys because the makeup is so good. I think he's about the... I think he's about to chow the fuck down on his dad. I think that's... Who plays him? The... The sun. Hmm. That would require me to remember the character's name, but maybe I can just intuit it from the top build. He has like a Nicholas Holt face.
01:52:27
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It's funny that Nicholas Holt has been in two Dracula things because he was in Renfield and now he's gonna be in Nosferatu. Nosferatu. My introduction to Nosferatu was in the hash-slinging slasher episode of SpongeBob. Oh yeah! Nosferatu. They would just use clips of stuff randomly, which would be very funny.
01:52:52
Speaker
Well at the end they're like, well if it wasn't you, who was flickering the lights? Then it cuts to like a door that opens and it's Nosferatu flickering the lights and they're like Nosferatu. And he's just not in the rest of that episode. Just at the end. Is that blue blood?
01:53:14
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Yeah, he's bleeding blue a little bit. Damn dude, he's patriotic. His colors don't run. That's the engagement ring. Now we cracked.
01:53:31
Speaker
See, that's when Wesley should have made a Black Don't Crack kind of line, even though he's not in this scene. They should have cut to him wherever he is to make that joke. Okay. Damn, she's exposing herself. If I'm not mixing up the characters, I think this is Luke Goss who plays him, who I don't really know. I mainly know from, oh no, the love interest we were invested in or whatever she is.
01:53:58
Speaker
Oh no, Lady Doctor. Oh, wait, no, that was the last name. Lady Doctor was much more easy to invent. Like, by comparison, I'm like, let's get Lady Doctor back. Yeah, we knew her first and her last name. Lady Doctor. Doctor. You know? But I think this is the same guy who's the villain in Hellboy 2. That, like, elf-looking motherfucker.
01:54:22
Speaker
in Hellboy 2. I haven't seen the Hellboys. Oh, you haven't seen any of them? No, they'd like... I can't say they never interested me as a kid. I was like, I didn't know what the hell to make of it when I saw the previews and then as an adult, I never investigated further besides learning about the director and the actor.
01:54:46
Speaker
Oh, well, I rewatched the first one recently and it's still great. I think, you know, maybe we should do the Hell Boys. I think we should just do the new one, the 2017 one or whatever with Stranger Things himself. I heard that my cousin saw that and he said it's like one of the worst movies he's ever seen. That CGI didn't look too bad.
01:55:13
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Yeah, like, it looked noticeable, but see, people have this mentality, and I've seen this when people are discussing, like, how Furiosa looks. They're assuming that because they can tell it's an effect or that something is digital, that that's, like, then it's bad. But also, that movie- No, it's just the human eye. It notices that shit. Well, and- Things move differently in real life.
01:55:37
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But then also in Furiosa and in 3000 Years of Longing, Miller's not trying to hide it. Like he's embracing that look of unreality kind of. And we talk about it in our Furiosa reveal of how that movie looks. I think he's intentionally leaning into some artifice of like, yeah, this is almost like a storybook come to life. It's not supposed to look 100% real.
01:56:04
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This is a really, really good fight. I like that it's all handheld too, but it's not like super shaky cam. You're seeing everything you need to. I feel like we could direct an action scene like this. Well, and it's refreshing compared to like
01:56:25
Speaker
Like, is this what they wouldn't be able to do in a Blade movie now, is that they would overcomplicate this and be like, there's gonna be a sky beam that's gonna destroy the multiverse he has to stop. Like, it can't just be a guy fist fighting another guy. I mean, yes, they're super powered vampire men, but like, it's relatively stripped down, like, just guys slugging it out and throwing shit around them at each other. It's not...
01:56:55
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And the stakes are contained pretty much to this room. Well, I guess humanity's at stake if this guy spreads his thing, but like... Ooh. He spreads his thing. Doug, what movie are you watching? Well, that one guy spread his thing when he got pinned to the wall. Yeah, that's where my mind went immediately, too.
01:57:19
Speaker
Look at that. Oh, Blade's about to spread his thing. He's got blades everywhere. He's got blades for me. He spread his thing, dog. You're right. He did spread his thing. He's trying to spread it. And Blade's like closed that thing. I get why Del Toro became attached to these vampires. He was like, this is cool. I should write a book about vampires that look like this. That looked good, too. That shot of Wesley's face that light it. Like, that's all good right there. And I like the close up of seeing it in his ribs. Like, go through. Like, that was cool.
01:57:49
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I like this handheld. I didn't say it wasn't useful, I was just really emphasizing how much of a bitch I was. That was the point of that segment.
01:58:08
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But no, this was a very well-directed action scene. The action overall, like the action, the horror, I'm giving thumbs up to. They almost went smaller visually, but for like a more intimate payoff when it comes to like the action, you know? Because it was a lot of like tighter close-ups. We weren't getting all like the wirework, maybe a little of CG, but it felt like a real intimate
01:58:36
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It was kind of simpler than the other, he was doing a lot more Kung Fu flipping and other fights. It was the opposite of the beam in the sky thing. I want that. There's a good fight in the Acolyte that's super stripped down in this newest episode.
01:58:54
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I heard there's some really good I mean the the choreography I've seen in like the first couple episodes was already solid But I mean people were already hyping that the last episode had like genuine Genuinely like super cool, and it's because they go smaller well I the whole episode is an action-packed like fuck fest But there's one part of the fight where focus is on like one word smaller part were
01:59:20
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it's like super stripped down for star wars and that's and i was like fuck yeah like no weapons i want movies of star wars marvel anything to do that where it's like they don't understand that like smaller and more intimate is
01:59:38
Speaker
easier to invest in, because if you make the stakes be so astronomically large, it just abstracts the thing to where I'm kind of checked out, where I'm like, I don't know. I can't calculate the stakes of a billion people in this fight. You can tell me that
01:59:58
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one person this character cares about will die if he loses, and then I understand that. But you have to make it something reasonable. They're looking at each other like this was supposed to be a romance. Yeah, I'm not buying it. He's carrying her to die in the sunset. I mean, he'd be carrying anybody to die in the sunset. Boyd's a good guy. He would not have carried any Rod Perlman out here.
02:00:28
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It actually should have been Ron Perlman because they have the most chemistry they did They did Yeah, I mean that's that's our main note. Is that he needed a better? love interest romance plot or make Ron Perlman this character and that's really the main note I have for the movie other than that I
02:00:52
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I'm gonna need to read a Wikipedia article to know what actually happened with the plot in lore wise, but that looks bad It's fine. I watched like the screen almost like Like they adjusted the image size almost There was worse looking stuff in the first one that might have been the worst shot in this movie though. Oh
02:01:16
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which I mean London a London town back to blades old stomping grounds by all dude nude girls is that what that fucking magazine so yeah you don't listen oh the guy here that I think come back for
02:01:39
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Is that the like vampire thing they just are like we have to wear the weirdest styled glasses Yeah, their fashions are like that. They're they're from the matrix. So I think that I came to see some pussy and then it's fucking blade He blade right through the blade or right like so
02:02:04
Speaker
I was like, what was the plot reason of him letting that guy go at the beginning? It wasn't just so that we can have an ending where Blade comes up to him in like a porno peep shop and like, it was like, hey, you thought he got away? I'm Blade, and he kills him. David S. Goyer, he's just been on these fucking superhero movies. Avi Arad, the guy who sold these rights, right?
02:02:30
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Yeah. Trent, I think I missed who the writer is. Was Goyer one of the writers? I feel like this is kind of the start of his reign of terror. Here's the writer, I think. No music.
02:02:44
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I mean, it might be, we might not have seen it because it might be a written and directed by... No, it's, it's, he's the sole writing credit, David S. Goyer. Oh, okay. The other, only other writing care credits are like the guys from the comics who, you know, have the character credit.
02:03:04
Speaker
Yeah, so what do you think? What did you think about this one on a rewatch? I think I still like because as a kid I was like yeah blade two over blade one and like seeing all that horror stuff and even with the like yes
02:03:19
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The romance and all that was handled better in the first one way better like the didn't even register that they were supposed to be a thing until the end of this but like I think I like this one better because just for the horror aspects and The the action in it is so fucking cool Yeah, I
02:03:40
Speaker
Right when I said the movie really wasn't working for me a whole lot it really picked up with that Fight scene at the club and Yeah, it worked for me a lot. I still have to put the first one above this I don't know what it was. It might just be like me today. I felt like I was a little off this whole like movie
02:04:06
Speaker
But uh, yeah, man. Well in the first one it just is so distilled down to being Not straightforward, but it's just it's just very crystallized into like a pure form if that makes sense like this has a lot of business happening like yeah, like the business is kind of charming and it's in its way, but it gave me the sense of like I
02:04:29
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If you asked me to recite what happened plot-wise, I might stumble a little bit because I'm like, well, yeah, there was some bad vampire guys and Blade teamed up with the other vampire guys, but I don't know that I could give you a breakdown of who was trying to do what other than Blade was trying to stop the vampires. That was very clear. When there were vampires around for Blade to stop, he was like, I'm gonna shoot these motherfuckers.
02:04:58
Speaker
or saddle with a blade. Yeah, there's a charm to these, uh, like early 2000s action horror or sci-fi or comic movies, uh, genre movies, basically. Um, and a lot of that charm comes in like this, like need for like a world building or like explaining it's in like the resident evil movies too.
02:05:24
Speaker
Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even get that deep into them, but they love that shit. Like of just like, Oh, look at all these characters that are kind of from the game, but maybe not. And then like, just going deep into like umbrella lore and shit. Yeah. Movies like blade two, I think are always gonna work.
02:05:46
Speaker
For me to like some degree same with movies like the first Resident Evil. I'm trying to think of other like early 2000s types that aren't like spider-man I mean like Ang Lee's Hulk is one that uh I think is always gonna work for me there. I don't know what it is. There's just a charm to these movies. They're like
02:06:09
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They feel like they're trying so hard. Yeah, they feel pure. And here's the thing that I would say that I maybe recoil against that they some of the MCU stuff now is missing. They feel earnest that like they're being made, at least at some level, you feel like that either the director or Wesley Snipes himself is like that they're they don't feel like they're above this material. They're not kind of they're not like looking down on like
02:06:38
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Look how dumb this is. Like, we made the auto-octavious joke example. It's like, the movie's not a shame that it's a comic book thing. They're being like, no, this is a vampire hunter movie. Yeah, it's based off a comic book, but we're not treating it like it's some joke.
02:06:58
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yeah and it's like maybe it's me but and maybe it's my approach to a lot of movies now but it doesn't feel like there's like cynicism at least going into these movies like there is when I'm going into some of uh
02:07:14
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these more modern blockbusters where I'm like, yeah, this is just a fucking cash grab. I'm like, I know this director and this isn't even their fucking visual style. They probably just got bullied and pushed around. Yeah. Like this movie looks like it sucks. And then I watch it and I'm like, it's the most boring, like predictable type of thing, not taking any risks. And then everybody loves it, but fucking me. And it's like,
02:07:42
Speaker
And even in this one, we were like, I don't know that I feel del Toro until we got to the monster stuff, but like there was still personality throughout the whole thing. Like it felt there was there was an energy and like, you know, there there there was fingerprints on it. It felt like it was made by someone. You know, it didn't it. This didn't feel like that this was just like some anonymous thing that was like
02:08:07
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like yeah obviously there was there is corporate machinations behind all these things because they're franchises based on properties that they had to be bought by someone to license but like like it did still felt like
02:08:22
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I don't know how much actual creative leeway Guillermo del Toro had but it kind of felt like they were just letting him Cook that like especially with we got a fairly in-depth gross Autopsy scene so like this movie feels way more del Toro than I expected it to Going into it because that was one of the first things I brought up kind of like I don't remember this feeling too much like del Toro and
02:08:49
Speaker
And then once we full it really was the club scene and then fully it's turning the knob of like oh it's horror and then that that that's when that's when it clicked of like oh no no yeah this is del toro because yeah then it ramps straight up into the autopsy scene and it's like so you have awesome action straight up horror then just like real gross like autopsy so it's like
02:09:14
Speaker
It becomes something pretty wild at a certain point. One thing that I do really enjoy about the idea of watching Blade Trinity is I don't know too much of the backstory behind how these movies were made. I don't even know who the director for Trinity is.
02:09:37
Speaker
Blade Trinity doesn't sound or feel like a cash grab maybe it was but you know Jeff Kanata I think pointed out like the reason a lot of movies are trilogies cuz that's just what you did after you made the sequel David S Goyer directed Trinity really has he ever directed another movie I feel like I've only known him to
02:10:00
Speaker
What if it was like every bad superhero movie like Daredevil and Electra which I've never seen Electra or Daredevil I Would watch both of those though cuz they're connected right
02:10:14
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I think, yeah, it's it's she's it's the same actress because she's in Daredevil and then Electra is her thing. I don't know. I haven't seen any either of those movies. OK, the only other movies that he's directed, I have not heard of a 2002 movie called Zigzag. Uh.
02:10:39
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I don't know what that is. A 2007 movie called The Invisible. These don't sound like movies. And then a 2009 movie called The Unborn. Oh, jeez.
02:10:57
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So yeah, none of his movies exist. I wonder if that was just like a cash grab or maybe they had a situation where the director couldn't do it and he just had to kind of step in. Or maybe he really just was like, I feel strongly about this. Honestly, it seems like it was probably a production nightmare and that's why he ended up as the director.
02:11:20
Speaker
I could see it being, especially from what we've heard about Wesley Snipes by that point, he was probably trying to like top dog the control over every like, like maybe other directors just didn't want to do it because Wesley Snipes was just sniping around and they were just like, well, I obviously don't want to be a part of this. So then they just had to get someone like, Hey, you script boy, come over here.
02:11:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's almost like if Vin Diesel got Chris Morgan to direct the Fast and Furious. Yeah, exactly. It was Chris Morgan Very like pointedly didn't write this new Fast and Furious coming up like Vin Diesel Made some kind of Fast and Furious post and he put specifically written by and then blah blah blah somebody who wasn't Chris Morgan and I feel like he the post
02:12:17
Speaker
Jeez do you think he was intentionally like just
Fast and Furious Drama & Industry Impact
02:12:20
Speaker
being like Chris you're over it's all you're done It seemed like it might have been let me see if I can find the post and then we can end the record somewhere Around there, but it was like
02:12:35
Speaker
I might be thinking too much of it, but Vin Diesel, let me see. The drama around the last couple of fast movies has been arguably more interesting than the movies themselves. In terms of like,
02:12:55
Speaker
just the clashing with Vin and like the you know losing Justin Lin and just like them trying to just like pull this all because initially there were like all these different spin-offs and stuff that were announced after after 10 after X I mean fast X that there was gonna be like yeah there was gonna be a sequel to that one that would
02:13:18
Speaker
maybe resolve the memo stuff, but then The Rock was going to get his own spin off, which is maybe still happening. But then the result going to be like a couple more sequels. Like he was like, I want to do another trilogy before we end it. But I think the next one is just going to be the end of at least the Vin Diesel fast movies. I think it honestly was just the allegations coming out against Vin was just like, oh, we got to wrap this shit up.
02:13:46
Speaker
Yeah, wait, what were the allegations? Did you say it already? He was sexually harassing his assistant on Fast Five, I think. And he's been, if you look through all the interviews, he's kind of pretty pur- there's like
02:14:02
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It was like some South American press he was doing for one of the movies, and he just keeps hitting on the woman interviewing him, saying how beautiful she is and shit, and it's like she's clearly just not comfortable and is trying to get back to the interview, and it's like, ah, fuck. So it seems very likely those allegations are true. This is all, yeah, allegations, as Doug said, too.
02:14:26
Speaker
no come fight me then you disappointed me you let me down yeah i've just heard other pocket they said you have to say allegedly now or you can get sued for like defamation but this is uh what the post is so it's a picture of him and paul walker from fast five
02:14:44
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And it says, uh, while doing ADR this week on the universal lot for a beautifully written piece by Chris, Chris Morgan, I was reminded of the blessed moments along the, this journey where bonds transcended film fast X part two written by Zach Dean. It's like, that's that that's a little too pointed. I don't know what's going on with him, man. I think he's just.
02:15:15
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I think when you reach a certain level of success and celebrity and it's hard for us to quantify because like when you think of like the top movie stars no one's like well Vin Diesel obviously is one of our most famous guys but those movies do so well internationally that he
02:15:32
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is maybe on a global scale, like going by global box office, one of the biggest stars. And like that, it would be hard for something like that not to go to your head, not that I'm like defending anything that he's done. I'm just saying that, like, I think that breaks a lot of celebrities brains and like that they become very weird and sometimes turn into abusive assholes about it. Um,
02:15:57
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Tom Cruise, I feel like you got to fix this problem. Yeah. We're calling on you again. The number one movie star should obviously be mentoring all other movie stars in order of like how to act. So like, like everyone should just be following his lead. Like, like, I don't know, get it together, guys. Like, why aren't you doing what Tom's doing? Exactly.
02:16:20
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Well, you want to end it here? It's after midnight. Yeah, I think that's I mean, I think we both agree that, uh, Karen Little Toro has the juice and Blade 2's got juice, so. Yeah, Blade 2's got juice. Um, our Halloween two episode drops in 15 minutes. I know you guys will be hearing this two weeks later, but just so you can pinpoint when we're recording this. Yeah, enjoy that. And then look forward to
02:16:45
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You know, a week after you're hearing this, there'll be, we'll find out if David S. Goyer has the juice. I'm suspecting he won't. I'm excited for that one. Um, we'll have a lot to say probably. I, uh, God, I'm so excited. I, I have no idea what this is going to be, but you're going to come out being Ryan Reynolds is the best actor of our generation. You're going to be like,
02:17:13
Speaker
a foam number one finger for Ryan Reynolds, you're just gonna be like cheering for him. I'm gonna try to be in tip-top shape for that review too. A movie that important, you wanna be ready for it. Yeah, I'm gonna get my foam finger ready, just like you were saying. But yeah, I just, very early on I like got super tired and I like never, I think it's from just sitting in the same position.
02:17:39
Speaker
For like so long I was like oh, but yeah, I'm gonna be like tip-top shape. I'm gonna be drinking liquid ivy and five-hour energy I'm gonna watch the movie. You're gonna snort some blood cocaine just so you're ready for it
02:17:55
Speaker
I'm going to watch the movie three times each day leading up to watching the movie just so I can really live in it. Yeah. You know, and then I'm not even going to watch the movie when we talk about it. I'm going to stare right in Doug's eyes and you're going to recite the lines from it to me like before they say it in the movie, though. So it's like a little out of sync. Yeah.
02:18:21
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That's the level I'm going to be operating at for the Blade Trinity review. No, I'm excited for that one. And then we got some cool stuff coming up after that that we can talk about. Well, we already hinted at one. I think we're doing body snatchers right after Trinity.
02:18:37
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, paying O to the late, great Donald Sutherland. And I mean, he's got so many great movies, but I think that's, for me, the definitive one that we got to do. I'm sure we'll cover more stuff with him down the line, but I just wanted to get something on there after the Saudi passed and
02:18:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited. It's one of my favorites. So I'm really looking forward to doing that one. Oh, yeah. Well, you got any plugs? Just follow us wherever you listen to your podcasts. And I'm on letterbox to Doug or not on Twitter at Doug or not underscore to fuck you, Elon Musk. That that part is not part of the app, but just putting that out there.
02:19:27
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I'm on a letterbox Nicholas Ewers and Subscribe to my YouTube channel Nicholas Ewers. I'm currently It'll probably yeah, it'll still be going on by the time this comes out I think I'm doing a weekly recaps of the acolyte that Doug will be joining me. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like
02:19:48
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episode and a half away from being caught up. So I'm definitely going to be hopping on those. Yeah. Episode five. Listen to my comment. Well, you don't have to, but a lot of my, I have thoughts. I have thoughts on where the show could go. And I'm hoping that they don't do a predictable, they don't take the predictable route, but I'm excited for you to see it. And I'm excited for Doug to come on and talk about that.
02:20:12
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Yeah, I'm excited to talk about it too. I've definitely got some thoughts. So yeah, look forward to that. Yeah, so next week coming up, we have Blade Trinity and our movie review, I want to say is going to be Maxine. Yes. That's what the plan is right now. We're early on, so things might change. Schedule might shuffle around, but that's kind of a rough idea of what we're going to be up to.
02:20:42
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Yeah, so Maxine and Blade Trinity coming up next week. You wanna do the sign-off? Yeah, I'm Doug Davenport. I'm Nick Evers. And we're These Guys Got Juice. Have a good night.
02:21:12
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Check one two, check one two. Hello, I'm Ewan McGregor. I'm, I'm playing an American, mate. I'm, I'm a good old American yank.