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SPOILERS AHEAD, our review of The Rise of Skywalker
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EPISODE 21: Welcome to episode twenty one of The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren discuss their thoughts on The Rise of Skywalker. Many feelings and opinions on this film. Some good, some not so good. They talk about them and more!
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Introduction to Glad to Podcast
00:00:09
Speaker
All right, well, hello, everyone. Welcome to the Glad to Podcast. I am Lauren Romo, and with me, as always, is my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Booty Eros. What up? What's going on, Angie?
Overview of Star Wars Topics
00:00:21
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:00:22
Speaker
We got a lot to talk about today, so we're going to do this intro real quick and we're jumping into it. This is your first time listening to us. Welcome. We are Star Wars podcasts that discuss anything and everything within the galaxy far, far away. And each episode we'll dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comments, specific character, you name it.
Experiences with 'Rise of Skywalker'
00:00:44
Speaker
We talk about it.
00:00:45
Speaker
Andrea, what are we talking about? We're talking about the Red Skywalker. Oh my God. So at the time of this recording, we have seen it three times. Four. Four for you. Yes. Three for me. Four for you. I went once Han Solo. I also went solo style. It was like 11 a.m. showing. So that was fun.
00:01:04
Speaker
You and I saw it Thursday night together. We did. With the whole fam. Yep. With the fam. So that was a lot of fun. So this is going to be spoiler talk guys. So just right now we're jumping into it. So if you haven't watched it, we're talking details.
Impact of Spoilers and Repeated Viewings
00:01:20
Speaker
We're going to go deep in it. So here's your warning. We are talking about the ride the sidewalk or spoilers. This isn't a non-spoiler. This is total spoiler review.
00:01:31
Speaker
So let's talk about it Andrea, we're on the Skywalker. So first viewing, you and I went Thursday. Yeah. What was your initial reaction on the first viewing? Anger. Dark side? Dark side. I'm with you a hundred percent. You know I didn't hate it, but I remember not liking it and feeling like
00:01:55
Speaker
just lost and overwhelmed, really overwhelmed. And I went off about it. You know, when we got out of the theater and our families were all like, how'd you like it? Oh my God, it
Expressing Negative Feelings about the Film
00:02:06
Speaker
was so good. And me and you were both like, ugh. That was good. Yeah, it was, I think I need to see it again. I think I probably said that like five times. Oh yeah, so did I. I think I need to see it again. Yeah.
00:02:22
Speaker
Because there was so much to take in. There was way too much to take in. And I feel like my expectations were kind of high. I knew some spoiler-ly things that I wish I didn't know. See, I went spoiler-free. You and I talked about that before we were leaving the movie. I knew a couple things, so I was kind of like, ugh.
00:02:39
Speaker
The shock of a couple things just didn't hit me like it should have. So when I got in the car, I went off. My kids and my son's friend who has never seen a Star Wars movie besides that had to deal with me going crazy. You're probably never going to watch Star Wars ever again because of you.
00:03:00
Speaker
how disappointed and angry. And now when I think about it, I'm kind of upset that I did that because I know my kids want me to enjoy Star Wars. So, I can't wait till I can take them again and just kind of be like, oh no, I love it. This is good. This is good. Let's talk about it again.
First Viewing Reactions and Pacing Issues
00:03:17
Speaker
So let's, yeah. I ate something and I feel better. I'm not angry. I'm not angry. Maybe it was anger. I owe you those pretzel bites. Oh my God. We'll get to that. We'll get to that.
00:03:30
Speaker
But yeah, my first, when we got out of the theater on Thursday, I had a lot of mixed emotions.
Character Connections and Visual Quality
00:03:38
Speaker
You know, a lot was thrown at you, I think, when you first see it. A lot of just like, really? Like you went that way? Okay, I understand it.
00:03:50
Speaker
Um, oh, that happened. Okay. That's interesting. But wait, no, that didn't happen because two seconds later or something else happened to that person. Like, yeah, it was just like a very, um, at first, my first viewing, the pacing I did, it was all over the place for me. Yeah. So I'm talking first viewing people and now we've seen it three times and I've come around on a lot of things now. I love it now. Yeah. I enjoy it. I, I, it might not be my favorite Star Wars movie.
00:04:20
Speaker
But it's not obviously like my least favorite. I enjoyed it.
Challenges of Fast Pacing
00:04:25
Speaker
I enjoyed the moments that I connected to with More than anything. Yeah visually this movie is great. I mean really JJ visually great job. Yeah, it was visually awesome You know hats off hats off
00:04:40
Speaker
But yeah, my first viewing, you know, the pacing, I felt very, it was sporadic. It was chaotic effort at, you know, again, the selfless viewing people. It was, you know, I was like, okay. So we went here, here, here, here. And the first like 10 minutes, 15 minutes. And you're just like, whoa, okay. Then even in the crawl, like I remember reading that crawl for the first time was like, so they're just going to start off saying Palpatine. Like they just went right there. Like they not even trying to like.
00:05:10
Speaker
Get into Palpatine maybe within the movie like they just start off in the crawl and say yep this is what they heard they heard a broadcast from this guy and You know blah blah blah blah like oh
00:05:22
Speaker
That didn't bother me too much. Again, this is the first viewing. It doesn't bother me. No, for some reason it didn't. For some reason it didn't bother me because I was just wishing that maybe the reveal would be a little bit, not mystery or surprise, but like... And they didn't wait on it. No, they didn't. I mean, they didn't wait on it. Which it makes sense. I mean, again, to set up things later on in the movie, it makes sense. Yeah. Right. But...
Comparisons with Other Franchises
00:05:47
Speaker
I've come around on that and I think I'm okay with how the pacing of it now is. It's faster pace, but when you see it again after your first viewing, for me, it slowed down and it was good. It was good. Yeah, I remember the first time
00:06:05
Speaker
I even said to you, there were no decompression scenes. There was no scene where I could just take a breather, take him what I saw. It was just constantly, we're here, no, we're here, no, we're here. Oh my God, this is it. She said this. What did she just say? Oh my God, I think I missed it. Oh my God, he's doing that? What is that person doing? And it was a lot. So yes, the second time, third time, fourth time, saw it.
00:06:29
Speaker
now i'm like he's about to say this and let me take it in yeah and you could take it in and it was great yeah no i think yeah i think i appreciated
Standout Acting Performances
00:06:38
Speaker
the moments more second third time around
00:06:44
Speaker
But let's just jump into a little bit of the movie. We're not going to go frame by frame, but the beginning of the first third of the movie, I do enjoy because I think it's fast paced, but I think it's good as far as you get a lot of good meat and potatoes with Kylo and Rey. And Finn and Poe. Finn and Poe are great. I think, honestly, throughout the movie, acting is
00:07:10
Speaker
Awesome. Yeah, I agree. Like, I mean, Boyega's performance is phenomenal. Oscar Isaac kills it.
Rey's Character Development and Heritage
00:07:17
Speaker
But for me, the two that stole the movie, and they should because they were, they have been, I think for the, for this entire trilogy, is Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver. Absolutely. Stole the movie for me. And I think even as much as I love Adam,
00:07:31
Speaker
As much as I love that character, and we'll get into that, Daisy did a hell of a job in this movie. Amazing. I think I loved her in The Force Awakens. Last Jedi was good, but again, I've said this before, that was more of a Ben Solo, Kylo Ren movie. Yeah. So her character, I don't think
00:07:48
Speaker
was given much to, not much to do, but it wasn't her, she wasn't the focus. She's totally focused in this movie. And I think that's why I loved her performance, because she performed what she was giving very well. And the reveal of her being Palpatine's granddaughter was, I've had small issues with it when I first saw it, but now I've come around and it makes, obviously it makes sense for the story.
00:08:17
Speaker
It does make sense for the story. The reveal was kind of squeezed in. You know, it was squeezed in a weird scene. They're rescuing Chewie. They're trying to get off this ship. They still need to find the wayfinder. And then all of a sudden runs there and...
00:08:32
Speaker
pelps as your gramps. And it was really squeezed in. And I know they had that small scene after with Finn and Ray talking about it, but it was already her wanting to move forward and kill the dude. There wasn't like this, whoa, that's heavy.
00:08:53
Speaker
Whoa. Right. Like, I mean, like, you know, like Vader telling Luke that, that's, you know, he is his father. You had, I think after that type of moment in Empire's Respect, you had a little bit of time to... He fell, remember? Yeah. First of all, it was great him saying, that's impossible. Right. You know, like you were with their, with them just like wanting to deny it. There was no like reaction out of rape, right? Did you feel like, oh, you gotta... No, I mean the...
00:09:24
Speaker
I think she had to take it in quickly. Yeah. And I think it's just because of what happened in the movie, like, all right, you had to find out that because then you had to get to where the ending was. Yeah. So I mean, it's not like, you know, Luke had Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi to deal with that type of
00:09:46
Speaker
she had like hours to deal with the fact that she is the granddaughter of this super evil dude. And you know, that's a lot to take in. And you understand why she went to act two and wanted to like maybe just be Luke as she told him, force ghost, that she didn't like, I'm doing what you do, man. I'm going to exile myself. I don't want to be a part of this anymore. And then it took Luke to get her back in though, which was great.
00:10:13
Speaker
Which is funny because now in Last Jedi it was reversed. It took Rey to get Luke back into the fight. And it took Luke to get Rey back into the mindset of like, oh okay, this is my destiny, this is what I have to do, I have to face this.
00:10:28
Speaker
Which is the way it should be in the relationship of like Master Apprentice, you know, all that. We're going all over the place. You just jumped. I'm jumping around. You feel like the movie. You're light speed skipping. You're light speed skipping right now. Yeah, I am. But, so anyway, so, you know, we, the first, so we'll stick to the first third and I apologize, but
00:10:53
Speaker
So, you know, they have to find, like you said, they have to find a wayfinder to get to Exegol.
Introduction of the Wayfinder and Narrative Implications
00:11:00
Speaker
How'd you feel about the wayfinder? I was hoping they would say Holocron, but I know a Holocron is a little bit different. It looks very similar to a Holocron. It does, and I keep going back to while using the Sith Holocron to get to Obi-Wan.
00:11:17
Speaker
So I'm thinking, why not use the same verbiage, you know? Yeah. Whatever. Again, those are the decisions. Now we have wayfinders in. Right. That's a decision that was made and that's fine. And now we have wayfinders and we have holocrons. That's just fine. And then we have aux cables plugged into them. And that's true.
00:11:45
Speaker
So, so obviously they have to go. What they find out is that Luke was looking for this a wayfinder way back. We're missing a little bit. All right. Go ahead.
Finn's Force Sensitivity and Character Progression
00:11:55
Speaker
All right. Wayfinder. Let's talk about Ray's training.
00:12:00
Speaker
Okay, so let's go our first when we first see Rey in this movie. Okay, so we first see Rey and she's floating, right? Which is pretty sweet. Which is pretty sweet. Pretty cool scene to look at. It turned me a little bit off to the movie. First viewing. First viewing. And the reason for that was
00:12:18
Speaker
you know, leading up into the Rise of Skywalker, the conversation of that Rey just is all powerful and can do anything without any explanation whatsoever. And I felt like we were going to get a better explanation in the Rise of Skywalker of her power. So to come right out of the gate and she's floating meditating, which you've really only seen Yoda do and Luke.
00:12:48
Speaker
It was a little like, man, I'm really going to go there that fast that she's, she's progressed at
Palpatine's Return and Sith Lore
00:12:54
Speaker
high. You know, so that bothered me. I was okay with it when my first feeling only because, you know, there has been a pretty, I don't know what, I think it's a year at least year has happened between the last Jedi and the right Skywalker. So like training wise, when we finally find out that lay has been training her this entire time.
00:13:18
Speaker
So, I mean, she's been training by, you know, somebody that knows it, that got trained by her brother. But we didn't know that until later. Right. Right. And that came out later. Right. Oh, my God. I get why that would bother.
00:13:34
Speaker
It bothered me. And it still kind of does, honestly. But the be with me and the setup for that is amazing. So I can really appreciate that now, seeing the whole movie.
00:13:51
Speaker
I liked her running the training course. I got a little confused on whether it was Kylo controlling the remote and hitting her or was she distracted by Kylo trying to reach her and the remote was getting her. That kind of confused me. How I took that.
Leia's Jedi Training and Rey's Internal Conflict
00:14:10
Speaker
is that she was just, I think the remote got her, but then I think she felt the connection a little bit. I think maybe that stumbled her. And I think she finally felt it after she got the remote thing with the stick and she got her lightsaber. I think then the full connection. I think maybe she felt them a little bit before then.
00:14:33
Speaker
yeah when she was training but then when she got the lightsaber and then she like felt their connection and then she was seeing what he was seeing yeah which was great yeah the flash the flashbacks the real quick flashes all the way from um you know ray being left on jack who to
00:14:53
Speaker
Kylo killing Han like that. I liked a lot. Yeah agreed. Okay. Yeah, I liked everything with Rey and Kylo in this movie We'll get we'll get to that. But yeah, all right, so so obviously they They
Preparation for Final Battle
00:15:07
Speaker
here Fo-ho-ho I always want to ship them
00:15:14
Speaker
Oh and Finn, before even the whole rave thing happens is they find out that there's a mole, a spy in the first order and they're sending them a message. Win the war! Yep.
00:15:26
Speaker
That guy was cool. Yeah, that was very cool. Julio? Julio? Yeah, I can't remember how you pronounce it. Something like that. So that happens, like they get this message from a spy in the first order, and then we get to the Ray training, and then we get them hearing the message that... Palps is... Palps is back, and they have this huge order, they have this, what he calls the final order, with these pretty high-tech
00:15:54
Speaker
which again, that's one thing that it's a slight nitpick, you know, but like that's really never explained. It's just like, yeah, they've been building these things forever and we have this high tech stuff.
00:16:08
Speaker
Honestly, I think a couple of things that you've struggled with that is a little bit could be explained in like, and I know this isn't canon, but in like the Darth Plagueis novel, because a lot of the science and creation
00:16:25
Speaker
that Plagueis and Palpatine played with the money aspect and the like the wealth of the munes
Climactic Battle and Ben Solo's Redemption
00:16:32
Speaker
and all of that and the influence that they had on other people. I think to me I don't struggle with those things maybe because I read that Plagueis book which is not canon but I feel like it kind of gave me a better backstory to
00:16:50
Speaker
Old Sheevie. Yeah. And I know eventually we'll probably get a Sheev book. Oh, yeah. Dude, was it James Lucino? If he doesn't write that book, that's a mishap and a total missed opportunity by Lucasfilm. Yeah. If he does not write a Palpatine story, that is canon.
00:17:11
Speaker
Anyway, so I digress. So the message is that he's back, the final order and all the stuff. And then they find out he's been in the Unknown Regions, which we know based on canon because of the Aftermath series and obviously many other books, video games have all said that he did a lot of stuff in the Unknown Regions. So this makes sense to us. So that was kind of cool that Unknown Regions kind of got mentioned and that's where we went.
00:17:40
Speaker
in the movie with Mexico. So what happens is that Rey, with the books that she took from Last Jedi,
00:17:51
Speaker
There's a page in one of the books that Luke said that he was on the hunt for a wayfinder. Yes. A Sith wayfinder. And last place he was looking was the desert planet of Pisana. Yes. So we go there.
Conclusion and Rey's New Identity
00:18:08
Speaker
Not to forget, during all of this, the Emperor had ordered Kylo Ren to kill the girl. Yes.
00:18:14
Speaker
So he is on the hunt for the scavenger. He has let everybody in the first order know that. He's got his boys. He's got his mask. How do you feel about the mask? I liked it. I mean, again, marketing wise, I understand it because it's cool. It is cool looking for sure. Yeah. But he didn't really like it. Again, it meant nothing because he had it the first, what, third of the movie and then the rest, he didn't wear it. Well, he kind of, you know,
00:18:43
Speaker
Right. I mean, I get it. But like, I mean, I liked, um, I liked how he put it back together. Like, kind of after when he learned that Snoke was and was nothing like Snoke was created. So we learned that too, that Snoke what Palpatine created Snoke. He had a couple little Snoke clones in his boudoir. And then, you know, he's been in Kylo's head. He's been in Kylo's head the whole time doing the whole time. So it makes sense. Yeah. Makes sense.
00:19:10
Speaker
So I feel like that's maybe why Kylo decided to put the mask back on. That's a good point. That's a good point. I'm my own person, people. I'm putting my mask back on. He wanted to be that Vader mask again.
00:19:26
Speaker
OK, so we get the persona. It's awesome. Yeah, cool stuff. Things happen. There's a connection between Kylo and Rey, which was cool because, again, this is what Rian Johnson set up in Last Jedi. Cool but different. Yes. They added a little bit to it to where now they could physically grab that thing. Grab and fight as we find out later. Like through this connection, they can
00:19:54
Speaker
physically fight each other. And it's crazy, but I like, see that's the four stuff I'm here for. I love all this new fours lore, fours things that we don't, that we've never seen before. I loved all that in this movie. Yeah, I like that too. So he grabs this necklace that you got. I also think it was mainly just a setup for later when they get a pass. Oh right, right, right, right, right. For sure. No, it was a setup, but it was a cool setup. Thank you, Ryan Johnson. Again, without that, that doesn't happen.
00:20:22
Speaker
So yeah, so they, and I think Kylo is the one that figured it out based on again, Last Jedi with the water. Yep. He figured it out. And raid, you know, when you see him grab the necklace from her, she was shocked. Like, Oh man, now he can, like, we can do that.
00:20:41
Speaker
and then she and then obviously he they find out where she is they go after them chasing all that stuff fun fun fun adventure in persona we meet Lando Lando helps them um that was cool moment seeing him and Chewie together it was great yep yep loved it um then they find
00:21:02
Speaker
this Jedi what what Luke was looking and what Lando even says it was Lando and Luke going after this Jedi hunter yeah back way back when ochi ochi so they are looking for his ship um they find it they find a
00:21:22
Speaker
Nice. They fall on quicksand. Yeah, they fall on quicksand. So I like the quicksand thing because I feel like that's something like from our childhood that you don't see in movies too much anymore as quicksand. Yeah. You know, so I thought that that was like pretty cool. That's true. That that was happening. So yeah, go ahead. What else is that?
00:21:41
Speaker
Finn kind of says that he was about to confess something to Rey and we never really get the answer to that. But I've heard that he was going to confess to her that he feels the force and he's force sensitive. How do you feel about that? Again, I'm fine with it. I liked it. Add something to his character.
00:22:00
Speaker
I wish that would have been kind of maybe an actual conversation. Yeah. Or maybe even hinted in the other movies. Who knows? But I mean, but that again, I liked it a little bit. Like when Kylo sees Finn when they're on Jack who in the first scene, when he looks across and he sees I, I even think this and I said this to a couple of friends of mine.
00:22:25
Speaker
that even Maz, when Maz in TFA says I see the same eyes and maybe she knew he was force sensitive at that time too. But again, that's hindsight. I mean, was it planned? Who knows? But anyway, but yeah. It was all clean and foreign. Give him some credit. No, it was. It was. I mean, no, I mean, really, I think they did have a plan, an overall plan, 100% agreed. And I don't
00:22:50
Speaker
I hate that there are people that say this was all thrown together. It wasn't. It wasn't. Absolutely not. Yeah. All right. So we get, so persona happens. Um, they get the, they find the artifact that they were trying to
00:23:07
Speaker
get for the knife. They didn't even know they were looking for a knife. Well, I know. You have problems with this. I had problems with that. Just all of a sudden BB-8 rolls over and he was like, hey, knife. I get it. And then they're like, oh, wow. It has, like, Sith language on it. And honestly, as that was happening the first time I saw it, I was like, wow, this sucks.
00:23:31
Speaker
But then when C3PO said he couldn't translate it, I was like, oh, okay, phew. Because I thought, honestly, they were going to be like, wow, here's this knife. Wow, this is your what it says. All right, let's go there. I was happy that it kind of like took that turn of I can't translate it.
00:23:47
Speaker
which again like in his programming I get it I mean obviously yeah he said it was a um like a law that the senate made yeah which I thought that's super cool yeah I like that so again so they they have to figure out a way to break um break that message because Chewie had the knife and then it gets captured and he dies um well we think he dies but he doesn't again it's
00:24:15
Speaker
One of those things where I think a lot of those, they try to throw stuff at you and like make you, you know, make you think like something happened, but it didn't. Cause then like two minutes later, it was literally two minutes later that it's revealed, you know, Chewie's alive. So, uh, you know what? That's all right. I don't want to think that Chewie was dead. Yeah.
00:24:35
Speaker
So, but within that moment, you see Ray uses lightning, which then that really, I think to me, when that scene happened, and this was before even Kylo tells her who she is, yeah, I knew right there. First viewing, I was like, yep, that's the way that we're going. She is related to the guy in some way, shape, or form.
00:24:58
Speaker
So remember, and even right before that, she heals that serpent. She heals the snake to get out of the... So we did hear that there was going to be some new force methods and force...
00:25:13
Speaker
Um, whatever's moves, whatever you want to call them. That was cool. Um, and, and luckily we got to see it in the Mandalorian. So it wasn't as like, really like all of a sudden Ray can now heal things weird. Um, but I did again, same with the floating all of a sudden she's healing things. And I'm like.
00:25:36
Speaker
Well, then, too, you know, I don't know if you and you probably caught this, but even with Kylo, he touches Vader's helmet and he starts seeing stuff. So that's that's not a new force thing. That's kind of been. Yeah. But they both can do it, though, because she touches the knife and she has and she even says like this has been through.
00:25:55
Speaker
Yeah, so like, so, but on the fact that it's that Ray's doing it is what's bothering me. I right. Because Ray doesn't really have any formal Jedi training. And believe me, I am the like, I'm pro Ray. Absolutely. I think that if someone is a Jedi can wield a lightsaber, I don't really need to know what their background is. They are already a badass in my book and they can do pretty much whatever they want.
00:26:25
Speaker
That's fair. But the fact that the narrative going up into the Rise of Skywalker is, where did she learn all of this? And they just kept piling things on top of her that she knew was kind of really starting to get to me. Now, after seeing it a couple of times, I could care less.
00:26:44
Speaker
I can absolutely care less. I get it now where she got it from. It's either in her blood. It's in the force. Remember the force isn't in a Jedi Academy and a huge Sith army. It's in these two people right now and that's it. And that's why it's so strong in the both of them. So then.
00:27:02
Speaker
she pulls down the ship and I'm like, what? I know you, you were just telling me this before we started recording that. And I was like, on your first viewing, I was like, dude, stop it. Like, but then Kylo pulls the ship and I'm like, okay. I remember my first viewing. I was like, uh, okay. Like I was cool with it. Like I was like, all right. Like then Kylo did it. I was like, okay, they're just, they both can do it because they're, but again, like you just said, they are both,
00:27:31
Speaker
two halves of like the strong like of the fours basically that there were whatever that I think they called dyad the dyad yeah there's a dyad so
00:27:40
Speaker
So anyway, so we get the persona, we move on to the planet Kajimi. Kajimi. To get C-3PO to be able to translate the Sith message. Po was a spice runner? Yep. So then we learned some things about Po. Po was a spice runner with Zori and
00:28:04
Speaker
That didn't go over well. I love Zori Bliss. Yeah. Love, love, love. I'm hoping we get more of her in comics or something. That'd be very cool. Um, so that, you know, so they, they get, they are able to decode it, but they wipe out C3PO's memory, which was kind of funny for a hot second. But then again, later on C3PO. So again,
00:28:29
Speaker
Here we all thought C-3PO was gonna die and it ends up he just got his memory wiped for a little bit and then it was fun. Yeah, you know Yeah, and which is fine. Yeah, it was fine and it is fun because then he was like and you are and Bobo Freak was his longest friend so it was good stuff, right? Yeah, but then again
00:28:50
Speaker
the Knights of Ren we're following them so they find them on the planet and then that's when Rey feels chewy because Ren's destroyer all this other stuff so then they go on the destroyer to get chewy out
00:29:06
Speaker
and then she goes to get the knife and chewy stuff and that's when her and Kylo connect again and they have this little kick-ass fight I'm sorry so this forced bond thing was cool because again they expanded on what Ryan did and made it pretty cool to where they were fighting and but they're not even actually in the same
00:29:28
Speaker
room physically. Which is cool but honestly gave me a little bit of spectator like anxiety. Okay. Because it was a little too much. You first viewing or? First viewing. Okay. I was like oh my god he's there, no he's not, there's beads falling on the ground. Right. And you know and then I don't know I feel like
00:29:51
Speaker
And then they're rescuing Chewie. They're trying to, that was fun. The, the hogs and all that. Oh my gosh. I was so overwhelmed. That was again, the first like 20, 25 minutes. There's a lot.
00:30:07
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There's a lot that happens. So there was that and then you get to the moment where he tells her she's a Palpatine and I'm trying to catch my breath up into that moment. And then so that I feel like just that was the reason leaving the movie the first time I was like man it was too much for one movie.
00:30:25
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way too much you could have for the first viewing that that first part of the movie him telling her when you got to the point where he told her she's a pop team you could have ended a movie and created a whole new other one like and i know that's like wishful thinking and i know maybe it's a little bit of us watching the mandaloring right now and having slower pacing and getting smaller
00:30:48
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and getting smaller doses of things. But I also go back to how I used to feel like that in Harry Potter and Deathly Hallows, that Deathly Hallows could have been one movie. I've always said that. Oh, Deathly Hallows shouldn't have been a part one and a part two. Could have been one movie. Now I know why they did it. And I feel like they made a better decision to break it into two separate stories to give fans time to process.
00:31:13
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and feel. We'll talk about that towards the end of the day. Because not everyone goes. We're going to talk pros and cons. Yeah. Not everyone goes and sees a Star Wars movie three or four times. Right. I mean, let's be honest. Yes. Right. Only hardcore. I mean, hardcore fans. Then again, maybe not a lot of people that watch movies are that invested into Star Wars where they get offended by every single thing that they're watching or. True. Because I think that if you look at, and we'll talk about it. Yeah. We'll get that. We'll get there. But no, those are all good points. Right.
00:31:43
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The act, I guess, the first act ends with her finding out that she is the granddaughter of Chief Palpatine. When do you think that happened? Right, we'll get to that, because that's the whole conversation. Come on. No, let's talk about it now. We're there. She've had a baby. First viewing, it royally pissed me off. Not, okay, I don't want to say royally pissed me off. But I was just like, you know, I get it.
00:32:12
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It's been there, there's been hints of it in TFA and Last Jedi where she shows this anger like I get it and she showed it in this movie again, more so.
00:32:25
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But I just was, I was really hoping, and I've said this, I've said this on air, off air. Yeah. I really wanted her to stay quote unquote a nobody per se. I didn't want her to have lineage. I wanted her to be someone that just the force chose to be the equal to Ben slash Kylo.
00:32:45
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But technically the force did choose. I mean, the force didn't make her father the direct lineage from Palpatine the strongest in the force. So it did. You're correct. And it doesn't diminish her story at all, like being a Palpatine. It doesn't. And I get it. And it's very Star Wars, where you have to deal with family.
00:33:12
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your blood, and you know, but you're not tied to that, I get it, and it's a great theme. It's a great theme in the movie for sure. But when do you think Palps was knocking boots and making babies? Well see again, that will all be, I hope we get an explanation in
00:33:28
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in books or comics or something because I personally don't think he was. No, I mean, we'll find out. I mean, again, that's again, but that's something that I feel like they just threw. They threw in there and then you're just like, OK, well, her dad, according to Kylo, it was he was his mom was the daughter of.
00:33:48
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Vader, her dad was the son of Palpatine. From what I know of Palps, he was a bachelor for a while. He lived in this nice apartment. Women were attracted to him.
00:34:08
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And I hope we get that good. I hope I hope we get that. But I also think he was smart and I think he saved some of his essence somewhere and then inserted his essence. That's true. I mean, he was very obviously he was very deep into the Sith Lord magic and all that stuff, which again, and cloning and all that. So that could be a part of it as well. Cloning, asking, who knows? I don't I don't like it. But I know you don't. I would rather him clone than to know he was making babies.
00:34:36
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100% agree. So I hope that is what we find out. But if it's not, then hey, it is what it is. But I don't think that's, I don't think that's, I don't think that's the way they're going to go with Shoe's Palpatine. But anyways, so.
00:34:52
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So the second act begins and where we're going now is they find that they have to go to the system of Endor on another planet. Kifmer. Kif, yep. And that's where part of the Death Star
00:35:12
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Remnants is that is there and they and I was vault. Yep and Ray uses the the knife to guide her to where It is located Very goonies. Yeah, very it is very goonies, which was kind of cool. That was cool. Yeah Now I know you have problems with this so when they're out when I
00:35:36
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The water is going crazy and it's hard to navigate. They were going to wait it out. Get the problem fixed, take the problem. Right. So now, you know, they were going to use, they run into Jana and all this group, which is cool. We'll get to them later on because what is revealed. But they, you know, she says that she can help them because they got, and Bobu Frick contacted them and all this stuff.
00:36:05
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So basically, Johnna said, I can guide you, but we got to wait till this water calms down. Yeah. Well, Ray said, no, peace out guys. Yeah. They are fixing stuff. She takes a skimmer, skimmers, whatever. And she is going over the waves and gets to the dust right now. You have problems with this. I do have problems with this. Which I don't, but that's fine. But this has been my problem. Yeah.
00:36:32
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Billing up through the movie is all, she's the all powerful Ray, right? What did I say? She can boat, she can float. She can pull your ship down.
00:36:44
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And like I said, if she just would have gotten the skimmer and skimmed over the water, almost like a speeder, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. But the fact that she was like pulling lines and, you know, anticipating the waves and all that, like she was a, like she was sailing, you know, which is not just something you pick up. Now you, you are a former, you. I know how to sail. So I know you don't just, it's tough work. But what I'm saying is again,
00:37:12
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I don't like giving people any more ammunition that she's a Mary Sue. And I feel like that was like, dude, now she can sail rough waters. I understand it. Now see, for me, I just take it as.
00:37:25
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She's a scavenger. She can survive. She can pick up on things. She probably was using a little bit of the force to help and all that stuff. That's how I see it too. It's the force. She relies on her instincts and the feelings. So she was letting that guide her through the water. But I felt like it was unnecessary to portray it that way. Yeah. Right. I get you. But you know what? Who cares?
00:37:54
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Right and that's you know, that's all we need to know. All right, so we get to the Death Star She goes into the vault that is in the Emperor's chambers Love the Emperor's chambers. And she goes through kind of a Dagobah-ish moment. Yes sees her Her evil go away dark side You know vision
00:38:20
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And that was cool. Dark Ray. Yeah. I like how honestly the best part is when she like kind of like showed her teeth. Yeah. And then like Ray kind of fell back and was, you know, kind of taken back with it. But then obviously who's there? Kylo Ren takes the way finder and says, the only way you're getting there is with me because heat. So what he told her that Palpatine wanted
00:38:49
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her wanted to have her killed. And that's why he killed the parents. Right. But obviously we find out later on that that's not what he wanted. He wanted her because he wanted her to become the next Empress. Right. Because he needed to transfer his spirits to her.
00:39:06
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So, first of all, I don't think we've said this yet, but Ian McDermott's performance of The Emperor was amazing. Yes. Top notch. The voice, the movement, the facial expressions. I thought it was, I love the way he says Jedi. Like, it was great. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was good stuff. Ian did a great job.
00:39:29
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So they have this epic fight on the Death Star. And I'm sorry, I will put this as a top lightsaber duel. It was awesome. I mean, I think it was, you know, them using the force at different times to stop the lightsaber, the force jumping and all this stuff. It was great. Oh my gosh.
00:39:49
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I remember my second viewing, when that started, I had a huge smile on my face and I was like, man, this is just awesome. This is Star Wars. I like this. This is fun. This is fun. And I like how, really, Ben Hatter kind of had her the entire time. Yep. So you can't tell me that, you know, I know she is overpowering
00:40:13
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all the time, I get it at points, I get it. But at this point, we know he was the best swordsman. He could have killed her, obviously he doesn't. Why though? And that's what we're gonna get to. So as he's literally about to strike down, because that's what the emperor told Kylo that he needs Kylo to kill the girl. And clearly the emperor knew he wasn't gonna do that.
00:40:39
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Yeah. I feel like he knew. Or maybe he did and he thought maybe he could transfer himself through Kylo. I don't know. Or he just knew that even if he didn't do it, the girl was going to come and get him. Yeah. Because after she finding out who she was. So he had it planned either way. I mean, that's who she Palpatine is. He's a master manipulator. He knows the stuff. He's awesome. Yes. So he doesn't kill her because his mom shows. Makes a connection with him. Makes a connection with him.
00:41:08
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dead stops in his tracks, drops his saber ray, picks it up and stabs him. And it was just like, whoa. At first I was like, I honestly thought my first view and I thought, man, this is where, this is where he dies.
00:41:26
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Yeah, I really 100 percent. But then I'll see what happens is that she heals them. She heals them, which is set up for later, too. Yep. So she heals them and tells them that, yeah, I would have took your hand like in last year. I wanted to join you, but I wanted to take Ben's hand, not Kylo's. And then, yep, he is my boy and he will forever be my boy because this is a great performance by Adam. I love him.
00:41:54
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so he he's healed she takes off and is in his chip yeah and heads to act two he is just breathing yep and doesn't know what to do and he looks leia dies so yeah so we know leia leia leia passes
00:42:16
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Um, and then we see Kylo looking out on the Death Star ruins. And what happened to Andrea? His bio, you parts of bytes. Next movie we see Adam Jr. Listen.
00:42:29
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We were sitting in the theater, and our whole row, which was our family, turned and looked at me. When this happened. So what happened then? Han Solo. It was so great. Just him saying, hey, kid. And that Harrison Ford Han Solo voice turns in there. He is in the same outfit that he was in, in The Force Awakens, which I love that too, because that's how Kylo remembered him last.
00:42:57
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So what we basically get is it's not a force ghost, huh? But it's no Ben's memory. Yes, and I think that I said this when I first my first viewing I was like Okay, I guess this is what happens and I was like I but I appreciate this moment more now because it's been finally I
00:43:21
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Like, seeing that what he did to his dad, you know, it broke him, but his dad will always be with him. And they kind of redid that moment. And instead of, obviously, killing his dad, he takes the saber and throws it.
00:43:40
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but there's a moment in there that I know you loved. Oh my God. When, when, uh, Kyle looks at him and says dad and gets choked up in the performance of that is just amazing. And looks at him and just says, I know it gives me chills and I'm, and I missed the, the, um,
00:44:00
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like the weight of that the first view. Yeah, me too. No, 100%. Absolutely. And I don't and it got heavier and heavier each viewing that I saw it because I knew it was coming in. I could almost like slow it down and and really like feel it. It's such a great moment. Yeah. Yeah. And Harrison did a great job. Oh my God. And just those two together and just how they were again, like in TFA and TFA, they're not standing on a Death Star. They're not
00:44:27
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standing on a bridge somewhere, you know, they're like in the middle of a green screen and they can pull off performances like that. It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. You know, that's just two, um, professionals that are like great at their craft and amazing. It's good. Yeah, that's good stuff. And again, it makes that, it makes Han sacrifice that
00:44:49
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that more powerful and that, you know, he was able to bring us some back. Yeah. 100%.
00:44:59
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So that moment happens. Great moment. So then we go to act two and Ray is burning the ship that Kylo, you know, the silencer. She's left handed. She was throwing those things, those logs left handed. I thought it was so strange. Well, I guess Daisy is left handed. I didn't know that until recently. I really tripped me out. Yeah. Yeah. Because does she hold our saber on the left hand?
00:45:23
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Tracy's right. Right. That's crazy, right? Yeah, that's how good she is. Yeah. Anyway, so so she's burning the tie silencer because she has chosen or she thinks what she's doing is choosing to exile herself like Luke did because she killed Kylo Ren or what she thought she thought she did, you know, she she
00:45:45
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fatally wounded, a person that she does care about and doesn't want to have it come to that extremes. So she was like, I can do this. I am evil. I am dark. I am a Palpatine. She didn't want to deal with that. And I gotta go. Yep. See ya. So then obviously she throws the, she's about to throw, well, she throws a lightsaber and Luke catches it.
00:46:14
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and tells her that that's no way to treat a Jedi's weapon. Or you don't disrespect a Jedi's weapon? Yeah. Now, first viewing, I said this to you. I was grumpy. It royally pissed me off again. Because I felt that that was such a stab at Last Jedi in that him throwing, like,
00:46:38
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Yeah, it really I felt like it was too. It's kind of like JJ saying you're right people that said that was Luke Skywalker was done dirty in The Last Jedi. I'm gonna fix it for you. That's me. Yeah, rewatching it rewatching it I and listening to a couple other podcasts, you know, I think
00:46:59
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that was more Luke fine like obviously in last Jedi Luke was lost and all that and you know he but now that he has he you know he did what he did on a crate he became one with the force he finally obviously realized in his errors and he didn't want Rey to follow his footsteps yeah so the moment again i means a little bit more and i don't take it as that
00:47:24
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quote, unquote, slab of the face as much, but that first viewing I did, for sure. Yeah, and a little bit was it not even him just seeing it to Ray, but maybe even a little bit of him saying it to himself as well. Yeah, right. The way he treated it and the way that he was, and he explains it all to Ray, the way he was behaving was foolish. Yeah.
00:47:47
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you know people can take things a lot of different ways and I think a lot of people will hold on to that as a stab at The Last Jedi but um I don't think it is as much again that first viewing yeah I did I did I did for sure 100% but but it also pays homage to it as well too because a lot of a lot of people felt like The Last Jedi was maybe a little overlooked in this movie and in that scene is just a huge callback to it yep yep in a
00:48:13
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pays homage to it, so yeah. Again, and this is, that's a whole different topic of fandom and all that, and maybe we'll talk about it whenever, but anyway, no. But, so he obviously sits, you know, they have a conversation. He's gotten long hair. Yeah, that was kind of funny. He looked good. He looked good as a force goat. Yeah, yeah, I liked it. Yeah. I liked it.
00:48:39
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He tells Ray, you know, obviously she's making the bad decision. And then we get a really cool flashback scene. So she gets, you know, Luke tells her that
00:48:52
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You know, he has something that he thinks Leia would want her to have. Yeah. And it's freaking Leia's lightsaber. That's beautiful. And we had, I did not, I was not expecting that. It wasn't either. It was, I was like, yes. That was cool. And then we get a little flashback scene of him
00:49:11
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of a, you know, Luke and Leia way back, probably right after we turned the Jedi-ish air, you know, timeframe. Yeah. Where they are, they're practicing lightsaber battling. But they're training Leia to become a Jedi. Right. And he is training her. Yeah. And she kicked his butt. That was so cool. But then in the moment, he says that in that moment, and last night of their training, Leia saw a vision of her future son,
00:49:39
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dying because of You know her being a Jedi and why I know that so she stopped yeah And but what's crazy now thinking of you know thinking is that look what happened anyway? Oh, I know You know he went down that it was almost inevitable. Oh
00:49:58
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Oh, absolutely. Like I said before, when we were talking about Leah feeling, when Leah was pregnant with Ben, that she felt the dark side presence inside of him. She was not wrong. And no matter what she did, it still happened. So yeah, either way. Yeah. So, but that was a cool moment. And then obviously, you know, Ray's like, all right, yep, you're right. I gotta, I gotta go face.
00:50:22
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face my fears of the emperor being her grandfather and all that.
00:50:30
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And another cool moment is Luke as a force ghost, lifting up the X-wing in the very similar fashion that Yoda was, which was very cool. And looked like it with the seaweed hanging off of it. And that's another thing, this music throughout the movie was great. It was great. So, you know, she gets the wayfinder from Kylo's ship, puts it into Luke's X-wing and she's off to X-able.
00:50:58
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plugs in the aux. Yep. Takes off. And then they find out that R2 finds, gets a, you know, gets the signal from Luke's ship and they find out, obviously they put it together that it's Rey and that she's showing the resistance the way to Exegol. Yeah. So they can have this final epic battle.
00:51:21
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So she gets sexical, and a lot of stuff happens in this last third of the movie. So she goes to the Sith Temple. It's what I'm thinking it is. I don't know if that's what it is, I'm assuming, but... Yeah, I see it as like...
00:51:37
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Palpatine's fortress. Yeah, fortress. It's like an amphitheater because it has like, you know, like a huge crowd of Sith ghosts. Sith cult followers. Yeah. Something. Yeah. I mean, because they kind of got blown away at the end. So what made me believe that they were like the spirit of the Sith. Yeah, that makes sense. It was really weird. Yeah. But the one shot I loved is her walking.
00:52:02
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through and like walking and there's like because the building itself was like levitated Yeah, she's walking through it. It gave me so much rebel vibes. Yeah for some reason like yeah, so like I don't know it was great that was so obviously she sees her granddad and all this stuff and
00:52:20
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The resistance has a plan Lando is going with Chui is going to go to the core systems, try to get more people. The rest of them are going to hold them off until they get there. Right. Knock out the communications. Yeah, they got to try and do all this stuff. So.
00:52:37
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That's happening outside of the temple, which is cool and all that. Cause it's very, um, return of the Jedi. Yep. Yep. That's our run. That's our two. Yep. And all that stuff. Yep. Yep. Yep. Um, so they, they're, you know, they're fighting and battling outside. We have Ray, you know, um, not wanting to, you know, obviously join the Sith, but she obviously finds out the reason that, you know,
00:53:05
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She was really theirs because her granddad wants her to take his place. So she needs him to strike him down. Yeah. So that was the whole point all along is that he wanted her in that moment to kill her. Because he's not a necessary, and this is what, I kind of had to catch on to this after a couple of viewings. So he wasn't like a full, he wasn't completely brought back to life. Kind of reminds me of Voldemort where he, you know, kind of slowly had to bring himself back to life.
00:53:35
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and um good call and that thing that was holding him which was awesome because i thought he was going to have like mech legs like darth maul but instead he was like hanging and i thought that was phenomenal and he was only like uh like a shell and a of a person with with a little bit of spirit and um how he was getting his
00:53:59
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His being or his life was from other dead Sith. And for him to... And all this dark magic. Yeah. And if she strikes him down, then that spirit passes on to her. And she becomes. And she becomes. She takes over for all the Sith. Right. There was no way to get rid of him because he was just kind of a shell of a person with this spirit. He wasn't like in full human form. Right.
00:54:27
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and he yeah that was very yeah that whole moment was cool because then she and then obviously he shows her what's going on outside and he's basically telling her listen very return on the jedi oh yeah 100 telling luke listen yeah which i love again rhymes and poetry people those all star wars so you know then she realizes you know he's telling her that listen you have to like it's either you you take over and you actually are in charge of this entire fleet
00:54:57
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yeah or you just let your friends die because you you know and you can blame yourself for it because you're the one that brought him here master manipulator so yep and so she hesitantly agrees at first but what do we know she senses mr ben solo mr ben solo my boy i will call him he comes but he comes back
00:55:22
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So here's here's probably my favorite part of the movie is this whole sequence of him coming to rest, you know coming to be on her side Yeah, so he is, you know, he jumps and says how which is hilarious. Yeah, but I'll get to this in a minute. So He is running she senses him When she is about to strike down on
00:55:47
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Palpatine. Through this ritual or whatever.
00:55:52
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So, and he's, he is fighting off the knife to run. And he does, okay, there's a couple of things that I want to bring up. One, he does the no look shot like his dad, which I love. And then hold on. So we get that. So he gets, he's trying to fight him and he, you know, he's kind of beaten up a little bit, but he's holding him, he's holding his own. And then obviously that's when Ray senses him and they kind of, they both,
00:56:20
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They had this feeling and she smiles and he kind of like nods and says, let's do this. Yeah. And so what does she do? I think it was one of the coolest freaking moves so far in all Star Wars that she looks like she's going to slash Palpatine. Yeah. And then what happens is Kylo grabs it on the other, you know, because of the force bond. Yeah, grabs it. She like looks like she's going to slash Palpatine, but then she's got nothing. Yeah. Ben takes it with the nights of rent surrounding them.
00:56:48
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And he gives him the shrug like, yeah, which I love. Yeah, that was his saber. That little, like, little. He has a lightsaber and he's just like, what are you going to do, kids? I got the saber now. It was awesome. And then he goes ham and all the, on the nights of running in a very cool fashion. Yeah. She gets Leia's saber because she passed it off the, which was a cool moment if you think about it that way too.
00:57:12
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then holding the saber of his of his uncle and his grand and his granddad fighting and then obviously Ray has Leia's saber because she took both. Yep. We didn't mention that she takes both sabers with her and she's fighting the I think I don't know if it's patorine like kind of guards I think they were guards I don't know if this is the Knights of Red
00:57:32
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I want to watch that scene in slow motion. Yeah, because she did some pretty cool stuff that I would love to see slow. Yeah, I think yeah, I think she like like use her hand and did like in like it was awesome. So so she's fighting the people that are like around Palpatine he's getting he's fighting the nicer run. He finally shows up in one of my favorite shots.
00:57:53
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is when they're both standing together, they kind of both like do a little flip of their sabers at the same time. Yeah. And you see them like together. I love that. Like I was just like last Jedi, like reminiscent. I love it. Yeah. So bad ass. So then obviously Palpatine does this thing because he's a Sith.
00:58:12
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And he, you know, kind of kicks their butt by using the force and all this stuff. He recognizes their power as the diet of the force. Which he didn't know before. Which he didn't know. Right. It brings his life back into him. So now if he dies, his spirit doesn't transfer. He's just dead. Yes.
00:58:30
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so now he so he was basically kind of doing like let's bring up harry patter again kind of like a um uh what do you call it the sucking the oh yeah them whatever they're called i'm sorry harry patter people but
00:58:49
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There was there was kind of very Voldemort ask when they're taking like the essence of the Wizards. Yeah. Anyway, so basically that's what he's doing to the to Kylo to Ben and Ray is Taking the force out of them and putting it back in him. So then he comes back in full form. Yeah
00:59:08
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And I like that. Yeah, I like I like that scene. I like how he was done walking. He had a nice old red shirt on. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah. And his eyes were yellow again. And he said, look what you made. I thought that was great. Yeah. So then he uses this cool is his lightning trick, but like super powerful and lighten up the resistance ships that are out there and they're all, you know, they're all
00:59:35
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falling. He pushed Ben off too. Yep, he did. Ben was waking up and he pushed him off. And then obviously within all that, Lando shows up with Chewie and a bunch of other ships. It's not a fleet, but it's just the people. The people. And I love that moment where, you know, the general pride, I think it was pride,
01:00:00
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And he asked his one commander, they don't have a fleet like this. And the guy's like, it's not a fleet, it's just people. And that's a great Star Wars moment where it's like, people will come if you believe in something for the cause, if you believe enough.
01:00:19
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So then they had this huge fleet, and obviously it's one of the great shots and trailers we've talked about. You see the ghost, you see all these ships. Wedge makes a real quick cameo, which I was like, cool. That was cool. That was cool, though. But reading the Resistance Reborn, because he was in that, and after they got to the end, he was like, yeah, I don't really want to fight anymore. See ya. But then he showed up. Then he showed up.
01:00:43
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but because it was part because of Lando and Chewie and he knew that it was probably needed for sure so um so we get so that all happens then Ray wakes up um and she well she's looking up and she sees what's going on she sees that everybody you know it's it's a dire situation so then she goes to the
01:01:09
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kind of forces, you know, connects with the force and says, be with me. And she tries to listen to the Jedi's of path and she hears these voices within these voices. The ones that I have picked up and the ones that I have heard other people, you know, comment that they've heard.
01:01:27
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We had Ozzie Luke, you had Yoda, you had Obi-Wan Kenobi, you had Qui-Gon Jinn, pretty sure we had Mace. Yeah, I heard Mace today. You had freaking Ahsoka Tano. Heard her today too. You had, apparently, Kanan. I didn't pick that one up, but there's Kanan's in there.
01:01:44
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and then you had Anakin you had my boy Hayden Christensen said a couple lines which I love yeah you know as Anakin and then you hear I think um luminary yeah and I'm missing one more but that was cool and she so she felt all these jedi and they told her that you know rise up as a jedi and she did it was great so she had Leia saber
01:02:09
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Palpatine Caesar and basically tells her your your attempt is foolish and Does his old lightning trick that apparently he didn't he didn't realize I hadn't worked before with makes when do but I digress So he's never in order that's always one gets his own lightning like what it is
01:02:28
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I mean, I didn't really get them too much in the Return of the Jedi, but I kind of did. I mean, right. Because he wasn't going, and Vader picked them up, and it was kind of siliconed on. But you think you've learned, like, shoot lightning at her, and I should stop. But you shoot lightning at her, and then she gets both sabers.
01:02:47
Speaker
and tells them, it's very, I would say this, that moment of him saying he has a thousand Sith, you know, the South, a thousand years of Sith, Sith and him. And she says, I have all the Jedi. Yeah. It was very like end game. Like I am inevitable. I am Iron Man. It was kind of cool.
01:03:05
Speaker
Yeah, it was really cool. So then she gets, she, you know, force pulls Anakin, Luke's, the legacy saber. So she's got two sabers and blocks it and she's able to defeat Palpatine and destroy the entire Sith, whatever was going on there.
01:03:24
Speaker
So the other thing is, is because I was thinking about this a lot. I was like, why did she die? You know, why did she then like, why did she lose all of her energy if she was using the savers to block it? You know, but she wasn't. She was using the force and the block to, you know, fight through all of that. And that's what diminished her power in her life. Because at first I was like,
01:03:49
Speaker
I don't know. It didn't make sense. I get it. It didn't make sense. My first view and I understood it, but now that I, the more time I've seen it, right, it's basically her using the force while blocking to basically, you know, block everything back and shoot back his lightning atom.
01:04:06
Speaker
So obviously he dies, you know, she pelting is dead. Rips his face off very Indiana Jones-esque. Good point. Then the temple or fortress starts collapsing, the resistance and everybody else, you know, is taking out the ships. And then they can't, without the navigation, they're stuck. They start blowing them up. Yep. So everything's good to go.
01:04:34
Speaker
And what we find out though in a very quick moment is Finn feels Rey
01:04:44
Speaker
pass, which we find out later on that that is what he wanted to tell her was that he was... He feels the force. He feels the force. Now obviously I don't think it's as she does or whatever, but I think it's because, how I take it is because of how close their bond is, he could feel that. He could sense what she was going through.
01:05:08
Speaker
I also, after seeing it a couple times, that one scene when they're like in that cave-ish thing and the snake, and she's approaching the snake and Po's like, I'm gonna shoot it, and Finn's like telling him like, no, no, no, like she's got it, because he knows, he can feel like that force energy from that situation. The one moment that I kinda have seen second viewing and third viewing, I picked on more, like that moment, there's another moment when
01:05:35
Speaker
she before, when they're trying to leave and she's waiting for Ren on Pasana with the ship, before even we see Kylo coming and he senses that. So I think, but I think he senses it through her. Like it's the feeling that he's feeling. Yeah. Their connection. I love it. Yeah. I liked that they were more connected in the movie. Yeah. Yeah. I really liked that. Because in TFA they were so close. Right. Yeah. It was cool.
01:06:02
Speaker
So she obviously is, we presume, dead to dead, used all her force, you know, all the energy she ever had. She looks dead. Yep. So what we see is Ben Solo did survive the fall. But barely. I noticed that this time. You know, he got up from that fall and he's hobbling to her. It's almost like his leg is broken. He's dragging his leg. I mean, he is not at 100%. No, he's not.
01:06:31
Speaker
So he goes to her, you know, puts her, puts her in his arms. He does, you know, he's trying to figure out what to do. Oh my God. So it's a great moment of him, obviously, basically hugging her. Yep. It's a great moment. And he basically puts his hand on her and literally transfers everything that he has in him to bring her back alive. And I think he did that because he learned it from her in that moment where she fixed his wound.
01:06:59
Speaker
Yep, I don't think he didn't write. I don't think he really knew he would be able to do that or that he could maybe could do it or try to do it right. So you know he does that. She awakes. She says Ben. Oh my God. And then they they have a great moment of a kiss. They do and I love it.
01:07:16
Speaker
Oh, it was a Star Wars kiss. It was a very overwhelmed with feeling and emotion, and I just need to kiss you. A very leihan kiss. Yep, it was great. And it was a great moment. But then, right after that, he falls to the ground.
01:07:34
Speaker
Because he transferred his life to her. He transferred basically everything he had to her and he disappears and becomes one with the force. But I like how at the same time we see Leia's body become one with the force. I heard a lot of people gasp at that moment in the theaters when he went and then Leia went and people were kind of very just relieved that they went together.
01:07:58
Speaker
There are some theories out there that I've read or heard that maybe the reason Leia's body didn't go with the Force at the beginning is because maybe she threw some of her life to him when she... Yeah. You know, it could be possible. I mean, that's really deep stuff. But I liked how it was, you know, they kind of both went together. I mean, Anakin never went.
01:08:27
Speaker
Right, I mean, we just see the burning of Vader's suit and all that. That's good, that's a good point. So, he dies, but obviously she gets back to the sex wing. Tell me how you feel. I was sad, I did. I don't, I wish- Mad or mad? No, I, more, maybe, I don't know about mad, but maybe just like,
01:08:52
Speaker
Interesting the choice that they made with it because I mean I understand it the first viewing I was like they could have there's no reason that they couldn't have kept him alive I'm my first viewing
01:09:04
Speaker
Yeah, she didn't have to use all her power to defeat Palpatine and survive the fall. It could have happened. But I understand, obviously watching it two more times. But you had to see them make that sacrifice. Yes, and I agree. It's the sacrifice that
01:09:24
Speaker
you know he saved the one that maybe he loved we don't I mean we don't really they don't say it to each other but I think it's it's definitely heavily implied throughout this entire trilogy that oh yeah that he cared for a lot a lot a lot so you know they the resistance wins they all go back to celebrate all as well but then the last scenes in the movie is
01:09:52
Speaker
Ray going to Tatooine. Did you have a problem with her going to Tatooine? No. I didn't either but I know people did because it was the place where her you know where Leia was enslaved by Java it was a place where Anna King killed all those um
01:10:11
Speaker
saying people it was just a you know it was a play you know anakin didn't like it blah blah blah blah but to me it had nothing to do with the skywalker beginning it had to do with the star wars beginning and star wars started on tatooine so it needed to end on tatooine and i see it like this though too i mean yeah i mean that's where anakin was a slave luke was and all that stuff i get it
01:10:34
Speaker
But really, it is the home, if you really want to call it. I mean, it sounds like not where they were born, but Tatooine is the home of the Skywalkers. Yeah, but you could also say, like, you could have said Naboo was a little bit more because of Palpatine and because, well, I know she didn't want to, like, go back to where Palpatine was, but she had more roots in Naboo. You could argue that.
01:11:12
Speaker
Um, I don't, so we see her, you know, go to the house of where Luke was and all that. And, um, she sees this passer by well, before I get to that. So she is wrapping up both lay a saber and the Anakin Luke saber and she berries, you know, wraps it up, ties it and berries it in the sand. Yep.
01:11:24
Speaker
You could argue with that.
01:11:37
Speaker
with the force which was kind of cool that was cool um and then you see a really cool shot of her new saber awesome which is the hilt of her um staff staff and she switched the switch was cool at the top it was switched it on it was yellow and that was very cool i i like that we saw a different color it was a blue was a green was a purple
01:12:00
Speaker
It was yellow. It was very, very cool. Very cool. I'm glad that she kind of made her own saber event. Like, that's awesome. So very cool moment. So then that happens. A passerbyer comes by and asks, you know, who she is because nobody's been here in a very, very long time. Everybody's obsessed with knowing her last name. And because the girl on Passana, the little girl that gave her the necklace, wanted to know her last name. The family name, yeah.
01:12:26
Speaker
So, you know, she says Ray, and then the girl, the lady asks, you know, what's your last name? In that moment, she looks out in the distance. She sees Luke and Leia, Force Ghost, which was cool. I loved it. And with Leia looking at her new hope with the White Hood, yeah, great. And she says, you know, Ray Skywalker. So she adopted the name Skywalker, which
01:12:49
Speaker
I'm totally for it. What were you, were you thinking maybe she was going to say Palpatine? No, no, no, no, no. I heard someone in the theater whisper, Palpatine, and I was like, get out. No, they're not. No, Skywalker, which was great. Yeah. It's the rise of Skywalker. Yep. So then you see her and Bebe, um,
01:13:05
Speaker
walking and you see the twin suns. Did you see how the first shot of the twin suns looked like BB-8? Like the one orange sun was overlapped by the, and it looked like BB-8. Oh really? It was cool. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. But you see them, uh, and you know, uh, her looking off in the distance like Luke did. Yeah. And movie ends. Awesome. Is it? That is why the Skywalker. So,
01:13:32
Speaker
Again, first viewing I had, I did. We said this earlier, first viewing was tough for me just because maybe, I don't know if it was my expectations or what I wanted to happen. And I think that happens a lot with fandom overall and just maybe what I was thinking in my head, God, I hope they go this way and praying that it went that way.
01:13:57
Speaker
And it didn't go that way, which is fine, but after the second viewing, I was like, all right, this is a great, it's a great Star Wars movie. It's not my favorite, it's not my least favorite. It's probably somewhere in the middle right now, but I loved it. Yeah, I absolutely, when it got over with, first of all, I had to wake my daughter up. She wasn't, she slept through it.
Artistic Choices and Overall Appreciation
01:14:18
Speaker
And I was like, oh, you missed it. And she was like, what happened? I was like, they kissed. And she was like, get out. That's funny.
01:14:28
Speaker
And yeah, I wasn't mad on the outcome. I was mad on some of the, I guess you could say, artistic choices. Yeah, I agree. And that's what bothered me. And then, I mean, you have to realize, like, I didn't make this movie. I'm not even close to, you know, being capable of making a movie or acting. I mean, if I tried to make a Star Wars movie, it'd be probably stupid. Yeah. It would be the worst movie ever.
01:14:56
Speaker
I really needed to cool off, but I do remember me in the second viewing after I got
01:15:04
Speaker
out of that first real fast like three scenes, I was like, this is fun and I like this. I actually even enjoyed the beginning more, the more I've watched it, like the Kylo slide and him wrecking all those people. So we find out that that was obviously in the visual dictionary, it says that that wayfinder Kylo has is Vader's.
01:15:28
Speaker
Yeah. So the people that he was killing were people that like followed Vader. Yeah. So that was kind of cool. That was cool. They were almost to far. Yeah. Yeah. So honestly, again, yeah, I might not approve or I might not agree with the some of the choices within this movie.
01:15:47
Speaker
But a bigger picture of it is a good movie. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. It's a great Star Wars movie. It is a fun adventure. It's a wild ride. It's a Star Wars movie. Yeah. Wild ride. 100% wild ride. We can talk a little about pros and cons. I mean, what's your maybe biggest pro coming out of
01:16:06
Speaker
in your biggest quote unquote con of the movie for you. My biggest pro hands down was Han Solo.
01:16:18
Speaker
It was a good moment. It was such a good moment. It's a very memorable Star Wars moment. Yeah. 100%. 100%. My other pro was the Rey and Kylo battles. Those were just intense and exciting to watch and fun to watch. And I loved every minute of it. I loved that they were fighting. I know there was kind of that saying that
01:16:44
Speaker
Ryan Johnson created the force bond between them so that they wouldn't fight, but I liked that they were like always ready to just go at each other when they all the time. I thought that that was great. Yeah. My con was a whole lot of movie in a short time. Yeah. You know, the pacing. Yeah. So.
01:17:05
Speaker
Yeah, and my other con was I don't know I was kind of hoping that like it wasn't gonna be we defeat the Sith the force is balanced You know, but it was that's that's what it was again I've never really felt comfortable with if there's no dark side the force is balanced, you know, I don't like that concept Do I necessarily think that's what they were doing or saying the whole time maybe not maybe it's just that you know
01:17:36
Speaker
I don't even know, that's probably another episode for us to talk about, but. Yeah, for sure. I really thought we were gonna kind of get a different balance of the force, and I thought we were gonna get that through Rey and Kylo. And when we didn't, I was upset about that too. We got a little bit. A little bit. With the dyad stuff, but right, I agree with you. But right, it came down to, we eliminate the dark side, because even you hear Anakin whisper it, bring balance to the force, Rey, like I did.
01:18:05
Speaker
It's, it, I was like, yeah, I get you. So those were, um, and then again, I, you know, Ray, Ray is awesome. Ray is a bad-ass. Um, some of the things I just think we're a little out there for her to be doing.
01:18:23
Speaker
Yeah, I get that. No, yeah, I mean, the whole over power. But I love that she is the
Character Strengths and Power Levels
01:18:30
Speaker
ultimate. She is the hero. She is the ultimate Jedi. I love that that it is her over Kylo. Sorry. I like it that it is her.
01:18:42
Speaker
and how that all shaped I just wish and I don't think that they should like tone her down or I feel like she needs to come in a little bit softer just some of it seemed a little too much like it's just a little too much yeah um but I don't know I hate saying I really kind of almost feel bad saying that you know but
01:19:03
Speaker
Now I get it because, but I mean, we do, if we do understand that she was being trained by Leia. So I mean, it's not like she didn't have anybody not training her without talking to Luke. Cause obviously she hadn't been talking to Luke until she went out too. Right. So she got all her training from Leia, which was cool. Cause yeah, cause Leia was clearly a pretty.
01:19:25
Speaker
full Jedi almost according to that flashback.
01:19:40
Speaker
they didn't have him there, it seemed more appropriate to have him there, to kind of give Ray that reassurance that he is always gonna be with her, that was a sacrifice and now he's with her. And I feel like it needed to be kind of like given to the fans as well too in the audience that, hey, he passed on but he's still with her. That's a good point. Now, you mentioned that to me and I think many in the fandom might agree with you that they could have handled
Debate on Character Choices and Pacing
01:20:09
Speaker
handled that situation a lot better. Like, yeah, they gave that moment, but then they totally, I don't want to say undercut it, but then they chose to have him
01:20:25
Speaker
pass instead of you know maybe live but i get it but i understand the choices but i keep thinking like well maybe he wasn't a force ghost because he wasn't a quote unquote jedi anymore that's true but then why did he transfer like do a force like disappear you know if that was going to be the case and so that was the only thing because
01:20:49
Speaker
I don't know. That's the one thing. I feel like he should have been there. Yeah. Oh, I get that. I get that. Yeah. That would have been nice. I agree. Yeah. For me, pros were definitely everything between Ray and Ben. Kylo. I mean, it was just, yeah, that that was great.
01:21:06
Speaker
The last stuff, that was good. I think they did it well. They used what they could. She fit the story and all that. It was done well with what they had to do. I think, again, my biggest con is probably the whole
01:21:31
Speaker
her being a Palpatine, but I'm, I'm, I'm slightly over it, but I still think it's just like, I wish they would have kept with the whole, you know, she was, yeah, she was, she was just a product of the force and the force chose her kind of thing, which again, like you said, that kind of still is the mission to diminish her character. But I don't know, but anyway, um, but yeah. And I think at first the pacing, the pacing was very like,
01:22:01
Speaker
Very erratic.
01:22:03
Speaker
But again, that has gotten a little bit better for me. But yeah, overall, I liked it. I did. I enjoyed the movie. I really did enjoy it. Because I think, again, the forced lore in this movie was great. Absolutely. What they showed, the different aspects of the force now with the dyad connection that they had, them passing stuff between each other because of their connection, all good stuff.
01:22:32
Speaker
I agree with that. Yeah, yeah. Last thoughts on the movie?
Reflecting on Initial Reactions
01:22:39
Speaker
I feel bad hating it at the beginning. I feel bad, not hating it, but I felt bad being angry towards it.
01:22:46
Speaker
I agree with you, I do. You and I felt the same way after our first viewing, but I think after dissecting it and digesting and maybe talking to, you and I talking about it and talking with other people. Being on Twitter does not make it better. Don't go on Twitter. Not with that, yeah. That's a whole different, that's a whole topic altogether. But yeah, I liked it.
01:23:13
Speaker
I enjoyed it. You know, I think what you can see, they can do some spin-offs with stuff. You want to rank it? You want to throw it in a ranking? Where would you rank it? I hate rankings. So I'm telling you, when I left the first viewing, it was below a tag of the clones for me. That was so mad. I think it's in the middle. It's probably in the middle somewhere for me. If I have to rank, which I hate rankings, in the middle for right now. It was a lot more exciting than The Force Awakens.
01:23:42
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think more action. Yeah. And again, more force lore stuff, which I like. Mm hmm. It definitely so. All right, that's it peeps for this. We do want to ask the gales. Or no. We're going to save that for
Plans for Rewatching and Wrap-up
01:23:57
Speaker
another episode. Let's save that. Yeah, we're going to save it. Because this is just a good spoiler discussion about the Rise of Skywalker. So do you want to go see it again?
01:24:06
Speaker
I think I might eventually because my one friend wants, she wants to see it. She wants to binge this binge and then she wants to go see it. So probably. Yeah. I think I want to take the kids again. Yeah. Give it one more shot and show them. My son was really trying to talk me down in the car. He was like, mom, hang on. This is what was going on. I was like, I know what was going on.
01:24:29
Speaker
Again, I'm glad we both kind of have turned around. Yeah, me too. I mean, yeah. I enjoy it. This is one of those movies I can rewatch for sure. I mean, I can rewatch any Star Wars movie, but this is one that I definitely can, like, I know I'll be watching again for sure once it comes out on DVD and all that stuff. All right, that's it, peeps, for this episode. Thanks for listening to us.
01:24:54
Speaker
Follow us at The Galactic Pod on Twitter. Check us out on Apple Pod, Google Play, dgjco.com. You can follow me, Lauren Romo, at lowronos on Twitter. And you can follow me, Andrea Gutierrez, at r2d2stuff. And may that force be with you. Always. Always. Not enough r2. That's a good point.
01:25:19
Speaker
But he was with Leah when she passed, so that's all right. That's a good point too. That's a good point. Good old art too. Yeah.
01:25:34
Speaker
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