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Cloverfield
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are bringing you another CLASSIC COMMENTARY with their beloved Cloverfield!
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Return to Comedy Commentary with Spy Kids
00:00:18
Speaker
Howdy-doody folks. What's happenin'? We're in it. We're back at Comedy, bird
Anticipation and Critique of Spy Kids 3D
00:00:25
Speaker
comedy. Jesus Christ, I'm already fucking up. Commentary Central. I was like, what is he about to reference? He's about to reference Comedy Bang Bang? Just right out the gate, just fuck that up. No, yeah, this is our first commentary since Spy Kids
Robert Rodriguez and Spy Kids Reboot
00:00:40
Speaker
2. Spy Kids 2, so this is our Spy Kids 3D commentary, of course. People have been talking, no joke. I think...
00:00:47
Speaker
specifically in reference to Megalopolis, the people posting screens from like Spy Kids 3 would be like,
Humor and Nostalgia in Spy Kids
00:00:53
Speaker
this, the movie looks like this. I bet when we watch Spy Kids 3 finally, whenever we do get to that in the year 2028 or whenever, but like, I'm going to be like, oh, this actually looks better than Megalopolis. This is like, the Robert Rodriguez is an auteur, like he was like making choices.
00:01:14
Speaker
They should just go through and like read, like touch up all these Spy Kids movies, you know? Give it the George Lucas? Give it the George Lucas, yeah. The Georgie. Give it the Georgie.
Critique of DC Movies and Sequels
00:01:27
Speaker
If it's Rodriguez himself doing the touch-ups, I would accept that. It needs to stay true to his vision. Danny Trejo's house better still look like Donkey Kong lives there. If they change any of that shit, it's gonna be like, not my Spy Kids. They need to give Spy Kids back to the fans.
00:01:46
Speaker
Give Spy Kids back. Yeah, they really should because Spy Kids, it's just not working right now, whatever they're doing. I don't know what they're doing. I just know that Harold in the Purple Cran himself is in the latest. I think there was a Netflix one that was like a hard reboot or maybe the other movies are still in continuity, but it's like a different family. I don't actually know. I just know Harold in the Purple Cran is like the dad now.
00:02:12
Speaker
It's so depressing talking these Spy Kids movies, and it's even more depressing talking Zachary Levi. I kept forgetting his name, so I just called him. I'm just gonna call him Shazam, Beryl, and Purple Crayon. He just, he's in the news lately. He's just making great choices. I think he's crushing it.
00:02:31
Speaker
I'm like, what are you doing, guy? He was already embarrassing himself on the Shazam 2 press tour, I feel like. Yeah. Was I mixing it up with how The Rock acted after Black Adam flopped? Actually, I feel like they both had a similar attitude where they just started blaming other people and stuff for the movie not doing well, and it's like, I don't know. Did you consider that you made a bad movie?
00:02:57
Speaker
Yeah, it's crazy just how, like, DC, their sequels were just all fucking bad. Wonder Woman 2
Ranking and Critiquing Zack Snyder's Films
00:03:07
Speaker
bad. Fucking... I didn't see Aquaman 2 and no one liked it. Shazam 2. Shazam 2 bad. Was there another one? That's it, I think. Well, Birds of Prey is kind of a sequel, but that one's good. I mean, that one...
00:03:24
Speaker
Clearing yeah, the suicides or not not thus does this guys the James Gunn one the clearing Suicide Squad is not a high bar because that movies Barely a movie but like I've got a rewatch Birds of Prey I don't know how I feel about it. It was that and like The Invisible Man were the last two movies I saw in theaters before
00:03:47
Speaker
It literally was my last theater movie. I mean... Yeah, well, Birds of Prey 2, I think I saw it. Yeah, I did. I saw it like a couple days before I like went on a trip to visit my grandma because she was really sick and it was just, it was a
Discussion on DC Universe and Matt Reeves
00:04:03
Speaker
really weird time. There was that, COVID, it was, yeah, a big, like, yeah, my grandma was like battling cancer. It was a crazy thing, but yeah. Thank you. I don't know.
00:04:19
Speaker
Sorry for bringing it up. No, no. Well, I mean, that probably affected your enjoyment of the movie. I'd say I really like it. That's one of my... Yeah, that like COVID time was just so weird for movies. There's like a stain on movies. I would have to like go through it with a fine-tuned coat, but because of the quality of most of the Snyderverse, I'm just good. That's probably like top five for me of the Snyderverse. Birds of Prey.
00:04:43
Speaker
Maybe top three. There's only a few that I'm like, oh, yeah, this is a good one. Someone some of the ones I will defend. I'll be like, there's stuff here. But then with an asterisk like I, I still have to do that with Batman V Superman. I have to like this is some stuff is happening here. But also there's a lot of gobbledygook.
Cloverfield's Marketing and Impact
00:05:04
Speaker
Um, I pretty much just flat like the Snyder cut. I like.
00:05:11
Speaker
I almost want to put an asterisk by Man of Steel because I think the last act is like...
00:05:16
Speaker
kind of unwieldy, like he doesn't need to crash through buildings with Zod for 40 minutes. I was really bored by Man of Steel. I've... I'm always tempted to rewatch it, though. I'll just rewatch scenes from it. Like, I'll just put on a scene where everyone complains about this fucking... Maybe comic nerds who actually care about this stuff, like, the characterization of Paul Kent's totally off. But the scene where Kevin Costner, who... I think he kind of crushes it as Superman's adopted father. He's basically telling, like, a young Clark Kent,
00:05:46
Speaker
Like, yeah, it's really reckless how you save that bus full of kids. And then Clark is like, should I have let them die? And then Kevin Costner's like takes me and he's like, maybe. That's funny. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's a good performance.
00:06:05
Speaker
Knowing what I know now, I've been wanting to rewatch it, but yep, I didn't have much interest going in and I watched it maybe like 2013, 2014, and I just found it really boring, but I'll have to eventually give it a rewatch. I actually found the action bits of it to be the most boring parts. That was when I was checking out in that one.
00:06:28
Speaker
speaking of DC Universe and Batman oh that's a great great segue to yeah we're reviewing a early early man this is cuz I know he was like a TV guy is this feature
00:06:42
Speaker
That's what I was trying to look up earlier, um, on Voodoo. It seemed like it was. He, the show, Ordinary Joe comes up and then the past. I never watched that, but didn't he also flee? This was after. I think this could be his, uh, his numero.
00:07:02
Speaker
Oh, he directed this movie
Cloverfield's Found Footage Style
00:07:04
Speaker
called Paul Bearer in 1996 with David Schwimmer and Biles Paltrow. Michael Rappaport, Tony Collett. He also did a sci-fi horror movie in 94 called Future Shock. Oh wait, this is like an anthology, some kind of Tales from the Crypt thing, so I think he did a segment of this, of Future Shock. He wrote Under Siege 2.
00:07:29
Speaker
oh well okay so masterpiece he had some early bangers i've actually i've never seen any of the underseas yeah neither have i um so yeah this isn't his first movie but this is what puts him on the map ostensibly because like
00:07:47
Speaker
The shows that he was on had renowned, but some of them, like I know people did like Felicity, I never watched it, but like no one was, they were like, those Matt Reeves directed or written episodes of Felicity. Those were the strongest, but no, the Cloverfield is like what puts him like, yo, this is one of our guys.
00:08:08
Speaker
Yeah, this is a pretty important movie in my life, I would say. It's one of the first non-franchise movies I remember really, really caring about and thinking about leading up to its release after knowing about its existence.
00:08:28
Speaker
Before Cloverfield, I had the Star Wars movies, the Lord of the Rings movies, and the Spider-Man Sam Raimi movies. I think those were the only three series of movies where I was looking forward to and anticipating the release of these things. Otherwise, it was just kind of like
00:08:47
Speaker
Movies would come out and i would just go and see them as they would come out and i would enjoy them and look forward to them but there wasn't this like a long long anticipation and like looking up and are like trying to get more information about it until clover field that was the genius of the market i was balls deep into like all the like.
00:09:06
Speaker
I don't know. Now it would be called like some kind of like augmented reality marketing game because it's like stuff that anything that takes place outside of the actual advertisements, it's world building, which I feel like this was, if it wasn't the first, this is like the first time I noticed any kind of like thing like this where there was like all these multiple websites they set up because the first, so the first teaser
00:09:31
Speaker
You just see there's just like a lot of chaos and panic and then you see the fucking Statue of Liberty head, right? Fucking just get rolls rolls. Yeah, through the streets of the streets. And then I don't even think they said the name at that point. It just was just like.
00:09:49
Speaker
Maybe JJ's name was on it of like JJ Abrams film or something. But then so I don't I don't remember exactly if they said the title or not. But I remember that shot of the Statue of Liberty. I remember before the Statue of Liberty had there in the convenience store and there's like all
Cloverfield's Cultural Impact and Critiques
00:10:12
Speaker
that like rumbling and shit going on. I think like Duster stuff.
00:10:16
Speaker
swept through the streets or maybe the monster came through the streets i don't remember what it was but there's nothing dust. And then there's another there was like a voice clip of someone saying like it's alive or something like that.
00:10:30
Speaker
OK, I forgot about the it's alive part, but yeah, it definitely you I mean, even from that little snippet, it's like, OK, this is some kind of monster thing we're dealing with. And there were like I remember there were so many TV spots for this movie where it was just the same trailer, but some of the footage there would be just a little more. You would see a couple seconds more or
00:10:54
Speaker
Things would be in a different order and I remember I would always get excited and pay attention for the Cloverfield trailers I wanted to know more because it because it doesn't give you more than that and then you I my main point of inspection besides like going through all these sites and like reading up on like these fake companies in the world like there was some Japanese company I think called slush show or something there was like basically like a storyline that these websites talk about of like
00:11:23
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see it in 10 Cloverfield Lane. Is it the company? I think it's reference in 10 Cloverfield Lane. Oh, I forgot all about the connection in the other ones, but yes, it's called Slusho. So like there's this company that I forgot what their main thing was, but one of they were like doing some kind of drilling in the ocean or something. And that's all it was. It was just saying like,
00:11:51
Speaker
This company was was doing shit in the ocean. And then I feel like maybe later trailers, we do know that this thing comes from the water, but not at that point. That was none of that was was known, but there was just like all these like disconnected, like little breadcrumbs.
00:12:06
Speaker
And very early on when I was in the IMDB forums, because that used to be like my hang for talking about movies or theorizing stuff, initially, so many people were quick. And I was kind of guilty of pushing this too, because all I do is giant monster of some kind.
00:12:24
Speaker
And then once we knew it came from the ocean, a lot of people were like, it's Cthulhu. It's a Cthulhu movie. I remember that now. I do remember that. I remember people speculating it was a Godzilla movie too. Some people thought Godzilla, because Giant Monster, yeah. And it had been a while since there was an American Godzilla.
00:12:44
Speaker
But then I feel like yeah, the next largest prevailing theory was like people like could sue I don't know what it was besides giant thing from the ocean because like I Was getting into HP Lovecraft around that time so I was like totally excited by that notion But I was like was he like
00:13:02
Speaker
was Lovecraft shit like hot right then that people were just like fucking Cthulhu. Oh, this is a Cthulhu movie. It's just weird that that's what people jump to. Oh, the Cthulhu fanboys came out. They were giving Cthulhu back to the fans. They kind of give Cthulhu back to the fans. And that's really what they got to do.
00:13:21
Speaker
But no, and it ended up being a fully original thing, which I think is better that it's not tied to any recognizable thing. Like, I think they did in terms of the marketing of drawing out, making you want to know more, but then the movie itself kind of give is like doling out little things. And apparently like the production of it, they were super secretive. Like the name Cloverfield itself
00:13:48
Speaker
which is they had to come. They were afraid of leaks like when they're emailing about this movie while I was in progress because everyone was like fucking buzzing about this from just from that teaser with the Statue of Liberty head. And then I think it was like one of the streets near JJ's. I don't think it was a street he actually lived on, but there was a street near him called Cloverfield. So then they're like, all right, we're just in the emails. We're going to call it Cloverfield. And then when that got out, people were like, it's Cloverfield. And so they kind of just went with
00:14:15
Speaker
with that wasn't even like their plan name they just went with that but it kind of because it like doesn't mean anything really to us i mean to him it was like i think maybe the tape at the beginning is there like a government thing and does it say like it's called cloverfield or project we'll see when we started but
00:14:34
Speaker
like the wraparound of like how all these found footage movies like justify like, okay, how are we seeing this footage? It's like, this was like government recovered. And they say something like project designated Cloverfield. Like this is some kind of military investigation now in hindsight that we're seeing. And they've given it the name Cloverfield.
00:14:54
Speaker
which does it does kind of sound like a military top secret like it's something that it fits that that was just a name they were using to make the email their communications about the movie top secret but then naming it within the context of this movie of like a military like hush hush investigation like that makes sense that they would like yeah Cloverfield
00:15:15
Speaker
I know I love it and it's such a confident name and then the follow-up 10 Cloverfield Lane which we'll get to listeners we're gonna do a commentary on that but it's both are such bold not bold might be the wrong word but they're fucking like confident titles and they're so memorable
00:15:33
Speaker
I this movie has a special place in my heart it's very meaningful to me i'm sure i'll talk about it as we go through the movie but i do wanna just quickly talk about seeing this movie in theaters because
00:15:49
Speaker
It didn't get a wide release at least not first and I remember I don't even know I think there was a website for like that had the show time specifically for Cloverfield and where they were playing in every state or where it was showing in every state and there was a really shitty theater that's not around anymore Doug might remember I'm pretty sure you've been there but it was in Glenwood it was the shitty Glenwood theater
00:16:16
Speaker
Half of the theater just had like couches and shit in there. It was like I'd only been there like a couple of times. It was a really cheap theater It was over by the Wendy's on Halstead over. Yeah. Yeah, I think
00:16:35
Speaker
It was just like kind of tucked away in the back. Movies were really cheap. And that was the only theater playing Cloverfield. And I remember me and my buddy Tony, Tony Sanchez, shout out to Tony from grade school. We were in this was 2008, so we would have been in eighth grade, the end of eighth grade. We.
00:16:57
Speaker
I'm like calling the theater calling the theater trying to get show times nobody's answering the phone doesn't work so my mom just drops us off at the theater at like a random time and I think I had a cell phone at this point so I was able to like communicate with her but um
00:17:15
Speaker
Yeah, I'm gonna try and wrap this up. I know this isn't like that entertaining and leading over, but- No, it's interesting context, but yeah, we're probably gonna be talking a lot about our experience during the movie, too. Yeah. But it's like, we get there, the movie's not playing for like another hour or hour and a half, so they're like, you guys can just go see whatever, and we just walked around the theater trying to watch movies. It was just a complete shithole.
00:17:39
Speaker
And then eventually Cloverfield is about to start. It starts crazy late. We go all the way to the back of the theater where it's just me and my buddy where some of the chairs are missing. It looked like they were ripped out of the ground. This theater was a shithole and then one other.
00:17:57
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Then one other person walked in and just watched it with us, but me and my buddy Tony, we fucking loved it. For how shitty the experience surrounding the movie was, I love that I had such a shitty experience that was, I don't know, memorably shitty for a movie that I loved so much. I don't know why. It was appropriate. I think that just speaks to the movie's quality of how
00:18:24
Speaker
The lengths we had to go through and what we had to put up with to see this movie and we walked away loving it. Yeah. I mean, I remember being super positive on the, I, I, I, I have to figure out rewatching of like, cause in my mind.
00:18:40
Speaker
I was like, this was awesome. And I was so hyped going and leading into it, but I think I would put 10 Cloverfield Lane above it. But let's see now how I feel like, which will it be more even or will it be, will it reverse? And I like this one better. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen this a lot more than 10 Cloverfield Lane. I love them for different reasons. Yeah. I mean, they're not even trying to do the same thing. Yeah.
00:19:10
Speaker
When this will seem like it was going to become a franchise, I was like, that's the way to do it. They should be like doing just like a horror anthology and they're all doing like different things. It's different disconnected stories. And then they just fucking blew it with Cloverfield Paradox.
00:19:26
Speaker
But, yeah. But these movies are both so special to me for different reasons. I'm so excited to watch these with you. And then Clovial Paradox is the most special. That's like, that's the one. We just have to get through these so we can get to Paradox. Of course, yes. The fan favorite one. We're gonna be Paradox.
00:19:45
Speaker
Will you want to give us a countdown? Yeah, sure. We'll do it
Cloverfield's Storytelling Techniques
00:19:50
Speaker
on Go. So in three Clover Fields, two Clover Fields, one Clover Field, Go. Nice. Paramount. Is this the stars? The stars are being shot at this mountain. Oh, there's the mountain.
00:20:08
Speaker
P-Mount, oh shit, oh shit. Who knew they were gonna have a super successful streaming service years later? That's crazy. That this major media corporation got this highly classified military tape of this recovered footage. I don't know how JJ and Paramount were able to recover this real footage that we're about to watch. I love the Bad Robot production company logo. Oh, it's a great logo.
00:20:38
Speaker
It's probably one of my favorites. Oh shit. We're just watching it black static. It's 2001. I think this, at least theatrically, this was probably my first found footage. Uh, so like I kind of understood some tropes or conventions of the genre, but this was still like a cool, like, Oh, this is the,
00:21:04
Speaker
case designate, multiple sightings of case designate Cloverfield, trimmer retrieved it, US 447 area formerly known as said that that right there gives a good sense of like formerly known as Central Park. What happened to Central Park? property of the US government. I like that.
00:21:22
Speaker
And so yeah, I think all this like already was throwing me off of like, Oh, so they're fully like trying to commit to the, the bit here. Cause yeah, I'm thinking I wouldn't have seen 27th. Isn't that when infinity war came out?
00:21:40
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I'm just trying to piece together of like what other, cause what, what year is this Cloverfield is 2008. Yeah. Beth dead. Beth's dad's place. I love the look of this. Is this the best looking found footage movie? Like the best directed. I really like how the rec movies look at least the couple I've seen. So that's hard to.
00:22:07
Speaker
It's been years, I gotta rewatch this, but I really loved the first rack. First one's awesome, the second one's actually surprisingly really good. Actually, you know what? No, I think Lake Mungo might be the best looking found footage one. It's a Australian, or no, it's New Zealand. Sorry, Australians. It's probably really offensive that I confused those two very similar countries. I'm offended on their behalf. You guys have the same accent, okay? It's really, it's kind of hard.
00:22:37
Speaker
I thought Beth was a cutie patootie when I first saw this I was like oh she is and I think it's good casting because from what I remember
00:22:52
Speaker
She's not in much of the movie, right? A lot of the movie is motivated by him trying to find Beth, but she's in these intro parts is when we're seeing her, but this actress does a good job of one, making her feel like a real human, but then she's likable. So we understand. I know, she gets out of bed perfect. Her makeup is flawless. She just slept like that. Get the fuck out of here.
00:23:21
Speaker
Just eats a bowl of strawberries like a fucking queen. Yeah, but you understand just- She's with this fucking doofus. This guy's like me. Just with short hair. You could, you could be him. Rob. I wanna be more. Is that this character, right? Yeah, he does have a good paying job, it seems. Um... Oh, I like this couple too. The couples are great. The characters...
00:23:51
Speaker
are all I don't know. They're they feel like real people. I think that's the highest you can give in these kind of movies, especially something like this, where it's like they're not spending a ton of time on character development. Like we're getting to hang out with them before, you know, like the actual monster stuff happens, which it is funny to think of the army finding this recording and then have to like sit through all the like just regular life stuff. They're like, all right, they just had sex and they're tossing
00:24:20
Speaker
whatever she was eating in bed and now they're at the store there's like taking notes watching this I'm like getting chills right now this is kind of like a genius like way of yeah getting you like on board with these characters and getting you to like build attachments and then you're cutting to them like
00:24:43
Speaker
as all the shit's getting like going crazy too throughout the movie. Yeah, I think it's good. Well edited in that sense of like the pacing of these clips and then when they're placed. But yeah, just to keep hammering this point home because they don't go super in depth about like any of like what these characters deals are. But we get it from this time we're spending with like they are fully embodied characters that we buy in
00:25:11
Speaker
even, you know, unfortunately, TJ Miller, I think he is pretty, I think he's good in this, like, I will say he, I liked him a lot. Like, throughout the years of watching this movie, I rewatched this last year or earlier this year.
00:25:30
Speaker
And I think he's the weakest part of the movie. I don't even know that I'm gonna disagree with that, but it's also- His voiceovers get very annoying, like, watching it now. There are times where I'm like, okay, like, talk less. Like, he's kinda becomes exposition, dumb guy, if you really focus on what he's saying. It's like...
00:25:49
Speaker
It's very useless. You could tell it's all in post. No one's really responding to him. Once you notice all that, he kind of becomes annoying. He doesn't become quippy of like, oh, that guy from Sons of Anarchy. Yeah, he was one of the only other actors in the credits. He was one of the only ones in the credits on Voodoo, too, as a listed actor.
00:26:15
Speaker
Yeah, because he's like still, I would say probably bigger than a good chunk of this cast in terms, like he's still working in noticeable stuff. Most recently, he's in the Penguin. He's some kind of Arkham Doctor that people already theorize and like, is he a new version of, is he Hugo Strange or something? I was like, I don't know, maybe. I don't know if the Reeves versus the kind of place that they were gonna do that kind of stuff, Red Crumb like references, but maybe.
00:26:47
Speaker
This movie looks really good on this TV. Oh, yeah Like it's aged. Well, I think There's my girl Lizzie cap busting the cap
00:27:00
Speaker
Oh shit. She should have had a gun and shot at the end. She was like a little Cloverfield later and she's like, I'll lose a cap, I'm busting the cap. And they're like, wait, isn't your character's name Marlena? And she's like, shut up. And walks away.
00:27:22
Speaker
That's what she should have done. I, I, having only seen her in a couple other things besides this, I just, I just really like her. And besides her being a cutie patootie, I think she's a good actress who has a decent amount of range. Cause like from the most recent thing I've seen her in the Hulu miniseries, Flashman is in trouble. I don't know if she got an Emmy nomination for that, but she should have cause she's fucking excellent in it. But then she was also in,
00:27:50
Speaker
Hulu tried to do a fucking like an American Horror Story kind of show, but in the Stephen King universe, it was called Castle Rock. So each season was like a different story. And in the second season, they were kind of mashing a bunch of different King storylines together. But she's like the younger version of like Kathy Bates from Misery.
00:28:14
Speaker
Okay, yeah, and it was actually pretty good performance. It was like wow you're really calling your shot This is a pretty iconic role that she's like has to fill those shoes and she's like it's actually like really good in that Yeah, she's really good in this too. I mean They feel like real people
00:28:35
Speaker
especially like hearing this or watching this now without really like focusing on the dialogue just watching them act it does feel like kinda like naturalist like how somebody feels like when they're put on the spot and like
00:28:50
Speaker
There's an awkwardness to it that feels real and intentional that this is like, you know, people see, oh, someone in this party has a camera. You're drawn to it, but then you're also like, not sure what you're like, okay, I'm being recorded now.
00:29:07
Speaker
and you're like slightly performative even if you don't realize it. It's kind of the same way like when the microphones come on like there's a slight like performance. I don't sound like this normally normally normally I talk like this normally maybe it's just a bit different no I can't even maintain
00:29:28
Speaker
I actually inhale helium between every word I say, so my voice is a lot deeper than this, too. I thought you were about to say, like, you inhale, like, I don't know, you're like taking hits of nitrous or something.
00:29:43
Speaker
Uh, so the, oh yeah, this is his, a party for his birthday. Rob. No, he's going away. He's going to like, Oh, cause he got a promotion or something. Yeah, promotion or a new job. Is the job for the company he works at? I think, I think so. Yeah. And then I don't know if, uh,
00:30:03
Speaker
of the
00:30:39
Speaker
I would shave elements of the ending on. I would take some things and kind of be like, let's get that out of here. I think we're on... Simplify it a little bit. I think we're on the exact same page about what... It kind of gets too big. This movie has a good ending from when... Damn, that's a 2008 haircut. The dude that... He looks like he's in Fucking Fall Out Boy. Or like My Chemical Romance. Yeah, 100%.
00:30:52
Speaker
I don't need to see the Cloverfield monster. I honestly don't need some of the ending of 10 Cloverfield Lane.
00:31:09
Speaker
Oh, man. We're just soaking in this movie. It's pretty is immersive in terms of that. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing even happening plot wise, but I just like looking at it. It feels like. It feels like watching an engaging home video, honestly. I mean, which is what this is supposed to be until something else happens. Like it does happen this night of the party, right? Like, is that is that? Yeah.
00:31:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's after Beth, uh, it's after Beth gets here, but yeah. Okay, so I was right. Slusho is a Japanese company, because that's where he's going, right? Is Japan? Yeah, there are like Japanese flags, uh, on the bar, I think. This guy is in things, the guy who just walked in. Yeah, there's a Japanese flag behind that guy. That's his brother or is just his friend?
00:32:01
Speaker
I don't remember. I think they're just friends. They might say their relation in a second, but I'm just going to I just need to for my. Ben Feldman, what else was he in that I? Oh, another solid found footage movie he's in as above so below. I've heard about that movie. I haven't seen it. That's like the Catacombs movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're like
00:32:28
Speaker
Catacombs of France or something? They're going into these underground French catacombs to find... Catacombs! They're basically like Tomb Raiders, I think. They're looking for some treasure, I think. Or just the discovery of something. They're looking for something down there, but it's good. It gets really creepy. What are your thoughts on the dress Beth is wearing?
00:32:53
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They're going to cut back to Beth. It's like an all gold dress. Almost like 60s wearing a bunch of gold coins. Like a bunch of Chuck E. Cheese tokens put onto like a dress. You sure did make it out of Chuck E. Cheese tokens. What's it to you? You know, whatever you're selling on your Etsy shop to make a living, you know, more power to you. See, I like little stuff like that. Which, which like, if,
00:33:20
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So if this wasn't a good movie, I feel like some people could nitpick of like, well, how is it cutting? You know, like, cause it's, but no, but actually no, no. It's just that they've stopped the recording. This is something already on the tape is my interpretation. Like when you record over.
00:33:35
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Okay, we should maybe under so there's multiple there's two things that are being played over but so we saw there's the Beth footage and then there's the footage of The friend and his girlfriend that we got a little bit of but I think that's all we get of that footage. Yeah
00:33:51
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But so it's like, you know, this is something that's been recorded over and recorded over. Yeah, yeah, no, 100 percent. I'm just best acuity. She looks almost a little Olivia Munnish from certain angles. Mm hmm.
00:34:09
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Yeah, you see the dress? Yeah, it's pretty loud, you know, but I don't know, she's pulling it off, man. Looks like she's wearing a, she's at the wrong party with that dress. Yeah. But she does pull it off.
00:34:29
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She's given her testimony. Her testimony, like it's a dating show or something, but like she's gonna miss Rob, so she's not going to Japan. Yeah, no, she's not. She showed up to the party with another dude. They've been broken up for a little while. I don't know what the date is on this one. Did they break up because he's going to be moving?
00:34:52
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the job is the thing that like, I think he just might've just straight up broke up with her. So she's like, we haven't talked in weeks. It seems like he was kind of being the asshole. Like maybe he blew it off and didn't ask her to come with or just decided for her that, that like he wasn't going to do that. And, and just like, yeah, we're done.
00:35:17
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Yeah, real. Oh, he's got a slusho shirt on, too. That's a cool shirt. I kind of want to get one. I would get a slusho shirt. Yeah, we'll get matching slusho shirts and then we'll be wearing them. We'll be the only two monster attacks Chicago. Have there been any monster movies like a kaiju in Chicago?
00:35:41
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Nah, just because we're so, like, landlocked, basically. I mean, yeah, it would have to have come from the lake, because there's no- the lakes are fucking- at least Lake Michigan's pretty fucking big. Lake Placid, that had a monster, so why not Lake Michigan? Right, monsters come from lakes every day.
00:36:03
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Every day. Every day. There's a monster coming over like right now while you're listening to this. Whenever you're listening to this, a monster just came out of the lake. Yeah. Doug the first movie style. Every time you make that reference, like, oh yeah, there was like a Loch Ness monster in Doug's first movie.
00:36:23
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So Hudd is telling everyone that Beth and Rob had sex. Oh, so they weren't dating, I guess. They were like friends who like hooked up and he was moving to Japan. So they hooked up because he was moving, I think. And then he's like, all right, I'm going to be weird about it and not tell you that. Oh, damn, dude, what a dick.
00:36:45
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why would you say that that's yeah that's really shit in the way he said it he sounded like a bitch it's like what do you just want this dude to like fuck it's just kind of it's just gross to yeah that's weird think and talk like that is just yeah losing some points Rob
00:37:06
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But yeah, so I think like, oh, that's Rob Freller. Yeah. So I think they were friends who hooked up and then he was like, I'm going to be weird. It seems like they at the very least had a situationship as the kids say these days. And then he, you know, denied it becoming a real thing because he was like, he decided that he wasn't bringing her to Japan, that they weren't going to
00:37:33
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Yeah, whereas in my case, I'm proposing to this lady and be like, come to Japan with me. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm building my whole life around what she wants to do. Basically, I'm like, do you want to go to Japan? Because if not, then fuck it. You know, like, I won't even take the job. I'll validate. I'll quit. I'll quit my job right now. Yeah. Fuck my job. I don't even care about it. Yeah. I'll work at your job if you want. Can you give me a job? I'll work at your job. Yeah.
00:38:03
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Man, I'd like to see this like I know this won't happen but get a criteria on release or some kind of like 4k thing where they put in the extra features All right, the crash landing just happened This could have I don't know what stuff gets right to release
00:38:24
Speaker
Yeah, I just don't know if, like, I don't know. Even though Criterion does put some trash on their shit. Well, I wasn't even about to call this the example trash, but like, which Michael Bay movie is it? It almost seems like they're above, like, this type of movie. I mean, but they have Armageddon on the Criterion. I think, I don't know. It's a Michael Bay, like, disaster blockbuster thing, like... There was some reason, but I don't know, they did that to make money.
00:38:53
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Oh, well, they do do bigger movies kind of routinely like Wally's. I feel like some people think there was some kind of concession with Michael Bay's movies being added to that because didn't the rock get added to was there was there like some kind of studio thing?
00:39:10
Speaker
Oh, I didn't know if there was like studio politics behind it. I just kind of assumed one that they have to, you know, be able to fund their operation, put bigger movies on the collection. But then also Armageddon was culturally significant, you know, like it was. Yeah.
00:39:26
Speaker
I'm not poo-pooing Armageddon, I'm poo-pooing Michael Bay being a part of the collection. I'm not. It's not the movie I would pick of his. I'd be like ambulance criterion tomorrow. Let's do it. I guess we have to wait and be removed like however many years until they decide to put stuff on criterion.
00:39:42
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I haven't seen the Michael Bay movie that's done it for me to where I'm like criteria But I don't like have that attachment with Armageddon Alright, so there's an explosion happening. So what do you think happened? Then this monster just came out of the water and is running amok That's what all this shit. I mean that seems to be the implication
00:40:05
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Because it didn't land from space right now, actually, right? It lands when they're at the fair or whatever, because you can see it in the background fall into the water. You see something fall into the water.
00:40:20
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I think it's supposed to be the monster. I thought, well, some people have different because it doesn't explicitly say that that's the monster fell into the ocean. I've heard takes of like that that was like a satellite that fell and then that like awoken the monster.
00:40:37
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Oh, yeah, so this thing wouldn't have fun. Well, that's the point I was trying to get at. This thing didn't fall from the sky when that explosion was happening. I think it's just been down there. No, but I mean the explosion.
00:40:52
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just saw and like all that. That's like the monster. He's entered the city and he's fucking shit. Yeah, that wasn't that was an impact crash or explosion. But to the point, like even prior to when we see the Ferris wheel, someone drop in the water, I think it's just been down there for a while. Like, yeah, I forgot that people that that was a theory, that it was a satellite that woke it up.
00:41:16
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I think this thing was just down there and now it's up and mucking about. And I think it isn't literally Cthulhu, but there is something kind of Lovecraftian about that of like, this was just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or whatever it was doing down there. And we don't know where it's from.
00:41:38
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There's no rhyme or reason to make sense of its motives or what it's doing. It's just completely beyond our comprehension in any way. It's just an inexplicable, a crazy, all-powerful thing that this is just now loose. And yeah, weird. I disagree. I think it has intention. It's trying to open a Cloverfield paradox. Oh, right.
00:42:05
Speaker
Well, someone else opens a Cloverfield paradox and then the Cloverfield step through. I don't remember that movie. I just remember this monster. It's about this monster opening a paradox, right? Yeah, I believe so. No, it's about the dude from Grounded for Life.
00:42:21
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being on a Skype of like, Hey, if you turn on this particle accelerator, there's going to be Clover fields everywhere. He basically says there's like a news interview and he like scientists are concerned about the particle accelerator and he's like, yeah, there's just going to be a lot of Clover fields. If you turn it on, like, like some kind of connected universe. I like the look of all of this, just this dust.
00:42:43
Speaker
So I don't think this is a hot take to say I agree. I like this dust in like we're in New York. We're seeing a ruined fucked up city dust everywhere. This is a 9-11 movie.
00:42:55
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Yeah, yeah, I think everybody agrees like this and War of the Worlds are like the few big 9-11 movies. Those were like the first ones that have like, does that, and specifically the dust feel like is what makes it, like this shit here is such loaded imagery. Yeah, the three big 9-11 movies, Cloverfield. War of the Worlds. War of the Worlds and United 93.
00:43:21
Speaker
I wasn't sure what you were going to go for with the third one that you did an actual 9-11 movie. I was, I was going to say the third one, of course, Batman V Superman. I mean, it's the beginning. Remember me. Is that what the pattern is? Yeah. I don't remember me. Remember me. R.I.P. James Earl Jones.
00:43:49
Speaker
RIP, and just watch Conan the Barbarian for the first time. Dude, that score goes fucking hard. Disrespectful how good that score is. I need to watch it. I've only seen the clip of, it's him with the long ass hair, and I presume it's supposed to be Arnold as a kid, like James Earl Jones kills his mom or something, like beheads his mom, I think. Yeah. And I was like, damn, this probably goes hard, and I need to watch it.
00:44:18
Speaker
Good movie. I'm excited to watch Conan the Destroyer. That's the project I would like to see Arnold come back to. Old man Conan? Yeah, Conan the Conqueror. I feel like, why wouldn't he and like, it's like...
00:44:33
Speaker
of the other franchise he's come back to have to bend over backwards of like Terminator was like, yeah, the skin on the Terminator ages, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada to explain how he ages. You don't have to explain any of that with Conan. Like he can he gets older, you know, like. Well, and as far as I know, they don't fulfill like the end of Conan the Barbarian because it promises like.
00:44:55
Speaker
Conan is gonna fulfill this like big thing and like have this crazy future ahead of him but then it's like but that's a story for another time and Yeah So right now we're watching everybody walk through the streets of New York City now we're watching everybody loves Raymond I don't know
00:45:23
Speaker
or Debra. I can't do it. So the man, I would quit my job. I would not be a fucking paramedic helping people in the streets with a Cloverfield running around. Yeah, I'm running. Haven't they seen Cloverfield before?
00:45:42
Speaker
one, they should have seen Cloverfield. They should have seen, I always wonder if, because I don't remember if they make references. I'd love a good, sorry to cut you off, I'd love a good slow city walk in a movie. There's something so upsetting about it.
00:45:59
Speaker
an organized fought everybody in unison walking in one direction like fucking a pin drops and everybody could scatter and it becomes a fucking shit show you know just like right
00:46:16
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how sensitive a crowd like this would be in a situation like that. It's so eerie. Sorry for coming back. No, I agree with everything you said. And I mean, I've never had to experience that kind of thing, but like going back to
00:46:30
Speaker
You know, like that was people in New York were doing this on 9-11 when they had to get out of there, you know, like that this was this was this is like seems like pretty accurate to the besides the Cloverfield monster, you know, I'd say maybe the closest the like eeriest feeling I had to something like this or like a tragedy feeling are like active shooter drills I've had at work like where police have come in and fired blanks and being in rooms with like
00:47:00
Speaker
little children while you're doing something like that. It's like that's upsetting that they're firing blanks with the children. It was like a one time thing. Years and years ago, I say that like it was a decade ago. This wasn't within the past like four years, but I mean, when I was still in high school, that's when the active shooter drills were starting. That's how long that like this has been a thing. So but yeah, we definitely didn't have a cop with like blanks.
00:47:30
Speaker
It's the only time there were ever blanks, too. It was pretty odd. Sure someone's parents said something. Cops and resource officers were coming up to the doors, shaking the doors, and the thing was we had to hide in a specific way.
00:47:46
Speaker
It was a lot to do with kids. Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, imagine if you had a kid in this scenario, like fuck that. Oh, yeah, that would be terrible. So, yeah, this is like there's a slight rumbling. The bridge is shaking. The helicopter lights are going crazy and everybody's starting to lose it. No, this sells. This sells the chaos of it. And that man, it's just a fucking like it's tail or like, you know,
00:48:16
Speaker
Was that its tail or was that it's like our it's something it looked like a Foot no, I thought I I mean I I didn't want to go back because we're not we don't do that during commentary but like I feel like if we freeze frame it it looks more mechanical like it picked something up and like moved it down over the bridge and
00:48:40
Speaker
Do you think so? I've always thought it looked like a... It looked like train cars and they're connected train cars. Do you think so? Yeah, that's what it looked like to me. Really? I never thought it was like an arm or a part of the monster. I thought it was something the monster threw at the bridge or swung at the bridge.
00:49:00
Speaker
I don't know, because it like was hanging up for a while and then it just comes down. Yeah, because if it lifted up multiple train cars, they're connected, but they would be some slack at the bottom of it. Well, I know that. I didn't think it looked like a train car. I've always thought it was a tentacle. I don't know. I'm just saying what I saw. Yeah.
00:49:24
Speaker
Yeah, so her boyfriend's dead. I mean, so she's single is what you're saying. That's the takeaway. Yeah. That's what I think in every horror movie, actually, when someone, I'm like, Oh, they're single now. They're, they're a significant other. They're SO. There's like a recurring joke in Arrested Development where someone will see someone they're attracted to, and then they'll just be like,
00:49:52
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Like Jason Bateman, uh, has a crush on Michael Serra's teacher one episode and he's just like, Hmm, no ring. That's good.
00:50:09
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I don't know. I forgot. HUD is even a character because we're not, we don't see him anymore. And I think very briefly at the end, you see like his body or something get picked up or something. I don't remember. Um, yeah, like for the past like five, 10 minutes, I was just like not even clock and Rob just focused on everyone else.
00:50:35
Speaker
And we understand why he needs to find Beth because like, yeah, she's a fucking cutie pie man. You've, you like fumbled her. You gotta, you better make sure she's all right. Yeah, definitely. I'm trying to think this guy should have a better phone. Oh, I think you're right from this angle. That's, that's a tentacle, right?
00:51:01
Speaker
It was even harder to tell. Well from that, that's part of the monster for sure. Yeah, it looked like whatever we just saw, it looked like that. I kind of forgot that it had, yeah, a tail, but I kind of forgot the shape of this thing. So think Sputnik monster. But big.
00:51:21
Speaker
Shout sputnik. And it poops out babies, this one. Or do those things live on it? Or are those like babies? I never got that. Are those like a different species that are just living on it? Kind of like how fish will have other fish that just live on bigger fish? I didn't even know that if I like made that because I thought it was almost like a
00:51:46
Speaker
Uh, oh, it laid these eggs or gave birth to these things. I always loved the spongebob playing in there. Sorry. No, no, I love that too, but I think your theory makes more sense, especially since this came from the ocean and like, yeah, there's fish like that. Uh, have you, I forgot, have you seen, uh, underwater with case two? I did. The thing at that spoilers for underwater heat. Oh, some things coming off of it, but we didn't do we get a good,
00:52:16
Speaker
Oh, no, it's dropping shit though. You know, no, it's it's it's just they're off of it So they were just like a living on how that would be for I'd almost rather die by the monster than one of those little kind of the alien thing of like
00:52:32
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I would rather be killed by the xenomorph than like getting pregnant by faith because the face huggers like it's a whole thing, you know? There's a process. It seems more painful. I would rather die by this because I don't want a thing living inside because the xenomorph a lot of times it's just it's other mouth will come out and just like go through your skull. It's it's not generally I don't sometimes they do keep people alive and like do shit to them. But like a lot of times the xenomorphs pretty quick death.
00:53:02
Speaker
Yeah. I don't want a foreign species living inside of my body. Yeah. I don't, I don't want anything inside of my body. Like that's me. Don't go in there. That's my preference. It's kind of like my safe space. So yeah, like, yeah, exactly. Just need that to be only my organs inside there. Yeah. That's just, that's just one of my things. I don't know. I'm just like one of my pet peeves.
00:53:31
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So Rob got his phone back up. Oh, yeah, what I was saying, this guy for like for 2008, especially the job he has. Yeah, for the job he has, especially he iPhones are out right now, right? First one's been out and like, yeah, he would be.
00:54:01
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he should have
00:54:05
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You know, I don't know. Yeah. Cause it's, it's the phone battery that dies and he has to go and get a replacement battery. I can see all that. It's just, I feel like he should have a better phone, but I do like that. It's something that.
00:54:22
Speaker
It gets solved pretty quick and it's just for the fact that he missed her call and got her message and she's in trouble. Right. But he doesn't know what it is. He doesn't know what it is and he didn't hear from her in real time so there's like this abstracted thing of like he just... Is she alive still? We don't know currently what her deal is.
00:54:46
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Yeah, so I like it for that reason. It's just a nitpick for me, I guess. No, this movie's awful. Yeah, fuck this movie. I know people who hate this movie. My ex-girlfriend hated this movie.
00:54:59
Speaker
This movie sh- I love that this just comes out of no- they're just there. Like they've been chasing it, they're like, we got him. We finally caught up with him. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. And a take! The soldiers I could get, they just quickly rounded a corner, but the fucking tank's just there too. I like just how casually, like, they've been at work.
00:55:23
Speaker
This whole from a filmmaking perspective the shit rules like like yeah I also just think it's so smart of like good monster sound the sound design and every little glimpse We're catching parts of it moving between buildings like just like the obscured looks like this like I think that's
00:55:44
Speaker
Fucking awesome that like it makes it scarier. I mean, not that it like it's a really well designed fucked up looking monster that looks scary. If you just look at it head on, like if you saw like just a drawing of it, it'd be like that looks freaky. But presenting it this way with all the chaos and everything is like, yeah, it makes it like this would I have to ship my pants at several times already. This is so good. This running.
00:56:12
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Oh, that's the best shot of the monster. That's the money shot. That's what I had in my 100 movies or yeah, my 100 all time movies. That was the clover. Dude, do they do we see its face closer again, like towards the end, I think, don't we? Like, see like.
00:56:29
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Yeah, in daylight. Right. So those but normally we're not I mean, we see its head from other angles, but normally we're not seeing it like basically coming at the camera except for like twice.
00:56:43
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I love this movie. I think it's just because we're talking about it as we're watching it but I'm fucking pumped on this. I'm feeling the same way I was when we were watching Drive.
00:56:59
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one thing and tell me if you disagree but I almost get the vibe that if you asked people like somebody on the street or like just took a poll of general moviegoers
00:57:15
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People would say that this is a bad movie, or they would remember it being bad, or it would have a negative reputation. I know a lot of people who don't like this movie. They find the found footage... People, just because of the format or whatever you would call it, it being found footage. That's a big strike for people, but then...
00:57:39
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I've had other people just say, like, it's bad because of how you don't really see the monster. You idiots. That's the good part. That's like saying. Yeah, we have some mutual friends who think this movie is really bad. Because you don't see the monster that much? Because of both reasons that I mentioned. I used to, like I said, I believe this was I forgot when Paranormal Activity came out, but this might have been my first found footage movie, especially a theatrical one.
00:58:08
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Yeah, Paranormal Activity was 2009 or 10, I think, because I watched that with a girl I was dating my freshman or sophomore year of high school. And I was definitely living in the city and at college. Like, I was at DePaul when I saw that this I was still in high school for. So, yeah, that tracks. But I used to kind of have that notion of like,
00:58:36
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This is a found footage, it's not really a series. I like this movie, but I was like, well, this is obviously the exception. Then when I saw Chronicle, I was like, okay, well, there's like two exceptions, you know, but... See, I was always like, I've always loved found footage. Now I love it. I've softened on it. Some of my favorite horror movies of all time. Like I did do a letterbox list at one point. I might probably have to update it after this rewatch because I forgot where I placed Cloverfield, but
00:59:05
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Yeah, some of my favorite horror movies, Blair Witch Project, Lake Mungo and some people are I have pretty broad genre definitions. I would say Ghostwatch is found footage, but other people say it's like a mockumentary because it's basically like a fake live newscast. Like it's not really a found footage as in like we recovered this tape of a thing. Unless you had something I kind of have happening right now.
00:59:41
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When we start talking about the zombies or burnt people maybe you should do like some of that. Yeah, or if that sounded good I'll put it at the end of the episode. It's like a quiet character moment there in the subway. Everyone's doing a good job.
00:59:58
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There's really just not any dialogue. It's kind of just we're watching. But I remember thinking it was it was pretty good, but it had been hyped up to such an absurd. I know some people who fucking like get hard and jizz their pants for like pretty much anything David Ayer does. I'm not there. I'm like, I like I like end of watch. She really likes sabotage. And then about bright, bright.
01:00:26
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Bright has good ideas. It's a neat concept. There's some good casting in Bright. I'm trying to be positive. A horrible person wrote it.
01:00:42
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I wouldn't be opposed to like a different team like different writer director doing something in the bright universe because I think that concept of like, oh, there's like fantasy creatures like orcs and fairies, but it's like modern world.
01:00:57
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There's like a popular RPG series called Shadowrun that kind of, although that's more like future sci fi of like, yeah, there's fantasy creatures, but it's like a techno futurey world that they inhabit and exist alongside humans. And so like, I think that like idea is cool. Mm hmm.
01:01:18
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Anyway, this is the number one bright podcast. Yeah. Would you walk this tunnel? An hour in the tunnel, but I think they have to get out sooner because of the bug thing. They is this where they turn. OK, so it's a light on the camera. I couldn't remember. I was like, they do night vision in this. No, that's right. I'm thinking of where they have night vision on the camera in that. Yeah. And it looks fucking creepy as shit when she's like reaching for the camera.
01:01:48
Speaker
Oh yeah. That's like the trailer shot for Quarantine. That's the cover of Quarantine. I remember that from the trick because I saw that and all that before I even knew what Wreck was. But yeah, the whole ending of Wreck is fucking, we need to cover that movie. And maybe we'll watch all of them because I'm curious of what the
01:02:10
Speaker
Oh yeah, but I want to watch all of them. I've heard there's a falloff, like three and four. I think there's four of them aren't supposed to be good. Oh, I didn't. I only knew about the first three. I think they go to four. So they were just talking about this fish that was found in Madagascar that they thought was extinct and that they were saying that they think this thing was living in the ocean.
01:02:36
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Yeah, so that's like the closest we get to exposition or exposition. Like, of course scholars like- Just like speculation. Scholars like us who've done the research and were on the sites were like, I knew it was from the ocean. The social corporation has been looking into this for a while, okay? Yeah.
01:03:00
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I do like that that is the form of exposition. It's exposition through speculation. Right, because I think we talked about this with a quiet place of like, we should be from the perspective of what these characters could find out. There's no way that they would ever be able to confirm where this thing is from. You know, they just know from what they've seen. And so, I guess in really a quiet place, like,
01:03:25
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How would anyone be able to, I mean, you can see them fall from the sky and you'd be like, okay, they're aliens, but no one else, you're not gonna be able to figure out anything beyond that. Well, you could see them fall from the sky and be like, oh no, birds.
01:03:39
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There's a bunch of Superman flying from the sky. Have we said on what they're canonically called in that universe, which I didn't know until it was a Lupita Nyong'o interview, and someone was like, they mentioned the name. She's like, what is that? And then the coaster was like, that's what the aliens are called. And she's like, oh. Because they never called that in the movie. But do you know what they're called? What are they? Death Angels.
01:04:02
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Oh, you did tell me that, yeah, I've heard of that. As a name that kind of, no context, I'm like, that kind of sounds hardcore Death Angels, but for these movies, for those creatures, I'm like, where are you even getting that from? Yeah, if the monsters were better, maybe.
01:04:19
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If they were better, or if like when they fell to Earth, it almost looked like they had wings or something. Oh, they're doing night vision. And there's the fucking monsters. Yeah, I think these guys are scarier than the big one. Mm hmm. There's just something about a little thing and the fact that there's like. Well, these ones are targeting you to the monster. You're kind of just like.
01:04:44
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it's just walking around in like like a dispassionate kind of this is like trying to fucking eat you like these guys look hungry I know that's vicious look at that she's helping no one no one's helping put the camera down
01:05:07
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pick up the weapon she was using, why are you kicking, you know? Right. And that's the thing that when people of a lot of these movies are like, they would have put the camera down at this point.
01:05:21
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I would just, I don't know what I would be doing at this point. I would just be shitting my pants, I think. That would be terrifying. I think I would. That's the most scared I think I've been of that sequence just because we were talking through how fucked up it would be. And just seeing those things chomp.
01:05:41
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immediately get killed in the initial chaos and destruction of that. I don't think I would make it past the tunnel. I think those things would get me. I think I would. Oh, she is from that.
01:05:54
Speaker
Well, I would also I would have been running full speed and there's a good chance I probably would have tripped and fucking seriously hurt. And then while you're trying to get up, it's just like they fucking pounce you. Yeah. Like that would have been too fucked up.
01:06:12
Speaker
she needs I mean I know this is like a disaster zone so they can't just go to a hospital but I'd be like let's raid a pharmacy right now is there a pharmacy nearby that we can like break into and like get some shit because she should be playing so much more pain right now god well is the idea because that would from what I remember of what happens to her
01:06:36
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her physiology may be being affected, because maybe she doesn't even feel it as much as she actually should right now. And also, similar to, I mean, big clover fields from the ocean, and it operates by some understanding of like,
01:06:55
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We know some fish have similar things like the other fish that like fall off it. But the little guys are almost like kind of bug like in bugs or maybe some fish have this too. When they bite you, there's like a paralyzing kind of thing to the bite. Like that area is just going to be numb from where they bit you. So maybe that is because. But she also.
01:07:21
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Does she start to get like a little delirious in a little bit? Like almost like, you know, like if someone got a fever from like a bad bite or something.
01:07:29
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I think when they kind of get into the like military mall setup, then she starts to kind of seem out of it because they ask if she's okay. And then they're like, she's got a bite. It's fucking crazy. I remember it not ending well for her. Yeah, that's unfortunate. This is such a fucked up situation.
01:07:54
Speaker
Really, you think it's fucked up, but I think it's good that this is happening. I support Cloverfield and everything he's doing right now. Mr. Cloverfield Paradox. Well, Mr. Paradox is his father, please. Call him Cloverfield. Cloverfield Jr. This is a franchise about family. Hashtag family.
01:08:20
Speaker
Why wasn't Vin in these Vin? Why is he like so like slowly walking through? It's like, dude, those monsters would already be aware of you. I don't think you can sneak around those things. Like I don't, I don't think it's, this isn't the last of us where they're blind. Walk with some authority and purpose.
01:08:43
Speaker
walk without rhythm. This is like the most I would be walking right now. You know, this looks like the place you should be walking to. It looks like a very human occupied place that you should feel secure at. Yeah. Is this the like military setup here? Yeah.
01:09:05
Speaker
The light, the intense light would show me, okay, there's probably no monsters in here. Unless they figured out how to operate a light, and then in that case, we're so fucked. Yeah, unless they have a military grade light, I think that this is the military. And I like that- And this isn't like a be afraid of the military type of movie.
01:09:27
Speaker
It's not. But from what I remember, like I'm still because I know that this is the military and I'm still on edge, though, because like I. I don't know, maybe it's just I don't trust the military, but I also would. They're not bad in this, but they're there's like a kind of clinical dispassion to it, right? Like their their job isn't to save one guy.
01:09:54
Speaker
Well the one guy, they do say, they are saving civilians. Incidentally because they came here. Are they, is that their active purpose though? Yeah, they're sending them to helicopters. And like right here's a whole like medical setup. They're sending these guys to, but these are people they've, like my understanding, I got the vibe of this, is that one, they want to contain, kill this thing, but then also research. Like I feel like this is more of like, we need to understand this thing rather than let's save people.
01:10:24
Speaker
I got more of a 28 weeks later kind of vibe in the military in this one. They have an objective. That's why there's a sole purpose that would trump everything, but there is good for the people that they're doing. They will give you medical attention and they're trying to evac people out.
01:10:48
Speaker
that kernel or general. But I'm not getting the like Resident Evil like we're going to bomb the whole city and like not because they are bombing, but like they're like at least trying to get people like they're not going to lock people in and bomb them or like the crazies. It's not like a government like we just need to wipe the people out. We just need to isolate and contain. It's not to the degree of we keep invoking wreck, but in wreck there's very much the
01:11:17
Speaker
The government's not letting anyone out of that building. Once the shit goes down, they're just like, uh, they'll send, they send in like a doctor or a scientist, but they're just like, well, yeah, no one's coming out. Yeah. Resident evil apocalypse. I think it is. They like burn the whole city. Have they turned around and they're like, oh, shit.
01:11:38
Speaker
Can't even blink with this lady. She's a firecracker. The fact that the doctors are on that so quickly and they are like, bite. That means this has happened to others. They've seen this. Yeah. They're like quarantined. Right. Because, I mean, obviously. That is like scary, too. They're like, bite and immediately they're on it. It's like fucking monster thing. Boy frick. Yeah. The fact that it happens behind the curtain, too.
01:12:05
Speaker
Yeah, and it happens so quick. And then they're just being whisked away, and it's like... And you don't even really know what the result, like, what the cause of the explosion is. What's the aftermath of the explosion? Did something come out, like... Did all the blood just, like, rush to heaven? Did she inflate, like, Yefid Kodo at the end of Live and Let Die? Like, I don't know. Um... It was very... I said this, I don't know if you caught me, but it was very Monsters Inc.
01:12:35
Speaker
I think I did catch it, but then I was still taken aback when I saw her pop that I forgot how quick and violent it was of just like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Now she's off the board. They seem to have gotten over pretty quick. Yeah, now this guy is just like, all right. They're like, we're not going to stop you from getting the girl, but you have a time limit. We're going to fucking bring the hammer of dawn and the Gears of War are going to come in.
01:13:03
Speaker
uh that is pretty understanding of that actually to a degree you would not expect from the military of the like oh yeah you can go find your not girlfriend like like we have time no no like no we gotta get you out of here now like dictating orders like hey
01:13:20
Speaker
You could go run a side quest. I mean, if I were in the military, I mean, if you're going to bomb the city, like, yeah, let them take the risk and go, why not? It makes your job easier, doesn't it? That's three less people you have to be concerned about getting on a helicopter.
01:13:39
Speaker
But then, yeah, from that perspective, but then I'd also be like, I just want to get them out of here as soon as possible. Right. Like, just like, come on, let's just get these ship these guys out of here. I don't know. It's a free for all out there. Oh, because HUD like Lizzie Kaplan, right? Yeah. So he's. He's he's a little shaken up because he saw her pop like is it and
01:14:06
Speaker
They're like, come on, man, move on. That was five minutes ago. Yeah. They're like, get over it, dude. She's old news, man. We're in the, we're in the present now. Yeah. We need to find living in the past. We need to find that detail of just this horse. Yeah. That's eerie. It's like there was a wedding.
01:14:26
Speaker
And then everyone associated with that's probably dead, but the horse just like wandering on. That's justice, you know, for the horses liberated. That horse doesn't have to fucking carry anyone around anymore. I like how they're like, she's in the tower. That's kind of sideways. The one that's being held up by the other tower next to. I think she's fine.
01:14:53
Speaker
like we gotta go in through the tower that's not leaning and then climb over to the other tower like i would already from this ground level be like she's dead i would too i would be like she's dead we're leaving it wouldn't even be like me being an asshole i would be like fuck
01:15:12
Speaker
This is hopeless. I mean, what floor did they say she's on? 39? Look, it's something. She's on a floor. I didn't catch that. It sounded high enough to be the higher levels were the more fucked up ones because of how it fell. So unless she was on like one or two, like if she's above those levels, I don't think like her odds.
01:15:38
Speaker
Unless it's like, you know, all the floors were collapsing. So the top floor stayed intact and everything below it was just getting destroyed. Like in the Suicide Squad. No other real world comparisons to villain collapsing like that. But yeah, the Suicide Squad, I did think of that when they just keep falling.
01:16:01
Speaker
Yeah, that plays out in this movie. But yeah, I think the thing is like the building like tipped over, she got hurt and then she made the phone call.
01:16:14
Speaker
Right. But then then what happened to her? You know, she's just sitting there dying. Yeah, probably. Or imagine if that's where this movie went. They went and it was just a dead body they found and they're like, OK, well, now let's go to the helicopter. And it was just fucking the Gears of War three finding Dom's wife. Oh, I forgot which one that was. But is it two where you find the wife and then three Dom sacrifices himself for something?
01:16:45
Speaker
Thought it was it happened in the same one Maybe it was to where he finds his wife Yeah I do remember if they fake you out in that too because the cutscenes like she looks normal and he is founder and then you cut to like reality and it's just like a Skeleton there's something not fully a skeleton. There's there's some meat on the bone It looks like one of the zombies from ocarina time basically and she has long hair so you know, it's a lady and
01:17:14
Speaker
Yeah, but what if we found her like that? Just zombified? I mean, that doesn't feel out of place with the tone of this movie so far. Like we've seen how awful this has been for everyone involved and just like, yeah, casual, like just death. Like it's a lot of people are dying here and it's not, you know, it's not picking favorites. It just happens.
01:17:42
Speaker
It's another climbing across the roof of the building that tipped over. What if they stepped on it and the whole thing collapsed? That's all it needed? That would be bad for them if that started happening. But it would make a very exciting sequence in a video game, in the Cloverfield video game.
01:18:04
Speaker
I'm glad he finally puts the camera down. It's good for budget reasons because they're like, OK, that's that's how big this the rough set is. That's all we can film. But then also logically. Or is he not going to turn? He just said he was going to turn it off. I mean, he wouldn't need to film this. Right. Like, I understand like once the monster stuff happens, you're like, oh, there needs to be a record of this. This is like
01:18:31
Speaker
This is important and our story needs to be told whether we survive or not. But like them climbing into a building, this is not necessary. Yeah. But again, this would be a great sequence for the Cloverfield video game if there was one.
01:18:51
Speaker
I feel like more movies should be video games, more more horror movies. But then also not even though I like some of these games, the trend where a lot of them now are just multiplayer only like the latest Evil Dead game, where it's like you have a group of survivors that are like characters from the Evil Dead movies or show.
01:19:12
Speaker
And then one player is controlling the Deadites and sends demons after them. It's like, that's fun, but then what about when your player base dies out? Because most multiplayer games don't last that long in terms of people playing them. So it's like, I would like there to be more single player. I need to go back to it, but when I played it, the Blair Witch game was pretty solid.
01:19:34
Speaker
I will say this is really good, like, tilted acting. I don't know what this set was actually like if it was just a flat set. And then they're selling this? With the camera angle and their movements, but they are doing a really good job at it. I feel like the set does look- This looks angled. The hallway, it was harder to tell. This seems like it's angled, but yeah, they really inceptioned their way through that hallway. Hell yeah.
01:20:04
Speaker
Yeah man, that would be fucked. I think she's fine, is she okay? Slap her a couple times. Beth! Dumb slut, wake up! She would be in so much fucking pain. Is she still alive?
01:20:20
Speaker
Yeah. The way they like, Oh, she is still alive. Yeah. Yeah. Cause she's with them at the very end. I forgot. I will. Cause when you were saying like, what if they found her dead? I was like, Oh, do they not? Cause I didn't. Oh, I forgot the specifics. Cause I was saying, I was like, how much of a bummer and like a waste of this journey would be if she was dead. I would have still been into it. I mean, it's not like what ends up happening is much better, you know?
01:20:52
Speaker
I don't know. They survived then. Do they? According to like fan theories or whatever, cause at the very end you hear their voices and he says it's still alive. Yeah. Okay. But the fan theories that they survived the explosion. Maybe. I don't know. I'll have to re-see it. I did not come away with that tape.
Cloverfield's Ending and Sequel Speculations
01:21:16
Speaker
I walked away like everyone died.
01:21:19
Speaker
No one, I went, I remember thinking that this was a super bleak nihilistic ending. Yeah, after the credits, it plays a clip of his voice and it says, it's still alive. But how do we know that from when that's from? Because of the footage cuts all around, like, so it's like, it's linearly, we know that that's after, because we're just hearing the voice, right?
01:21:43
Speaker
Yeah, they've confirmed it's after. That's like, I think supposed to be the like thing is that they survived the explosion. It's confirmed by like the people who made the movie? I think so, yeah. I didn't know they confirmed a single fucking thing about this movie. I thought they just like answered things as vaguely as possible.
01:22:02
Speaker
Cause they've been talking about doing like, I don't know if it's like JJ himself talking about it, but they've been talking about doing like a direct sequel to this with, uh, the two characters coming back is like a possibility. Um, see, this is pretty good acting.
01:22:33
Speaker
Oh, I don't even remember that shot of the monster. But maybe someone else involved with the movie has a different interpretation. I was just scrolling quickly through. I saw Matt Reeves interview where he was like, yeah, no, he likes the grim. Everyone dies ending.
01:22:54
Speaker
I wonder if they made him put that at the end then? That's like a studio thing. They're like, no, no, no. Yeah. Because if he prefers the grave ending, I feel like he wouldn't want there to be any like, you know, anything that could make you think otherwise. Yeah.
01:23:12
Speaker
That feels studio. No, I didn't even remember. I don't remember this monster in the hallway. I also didn't remember there was a shot. I think you might've missed it, but we got another shot of the monster. It was like a wide one. I looked up from my phone right as they were looking down at it and it looked fucking awesome.
01:23:32
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't remember that. I didn't remember that. I didn't remember that little guy because I remember things. We were just just so happy to have Beth back that it took away from everything else happening in the movie on our previous watches. I do think there is something to like not paying attention to the dialogue that in movies that really makes you kind of it just you focus on different things. I think especially for horror.
01:23:59
Speaker
I love that. Great, great, great, great, great, great, great. We see a lot of the monster people who said that you don't see enough or fucking dumb like we're getting we're getting a lot of good money shots of this thing.
01:24:12
Speaker
And I never felt like I needed more. No, it's the perfect amount. I mean, I've looked up designs online just to like see what the deal is. I never needed it in the movie. I think it's perfect the way it's deployed and what you see the perfect amount in this movie. I don't know. I always get upset.
01:24:36
Speaker
That's who, um, I remember now that's who survives. It's not those two. Sorry. It's this girl who survives. Oh, so her, she gets away and then the other two don't. And this helicopter gets out. Yeah. I don't think we ever see that helicopter get destroyed. Okay. So she could be the sequel.
01:25:04
Speaker
How do you feel about, cause that's what I heard, or maybe they did talk about bringing those two back. I don't remember, but cause I heard those two would come back for the sequel, but the sequel wouldn't be found footage. Oh, if you're doing a direct thing, it should. My thing is, do you need either of them in a sequel? Do you need these two to come back at all? No. And do you need the found footage?
01:25:34
Speaker
I would say yes, do another found footage, but no, you change the format of the found footage. Like, is it a military found footage end of watch style? Like they have body cams on. What is the sequel found? I love that shot. I mean, um, they literally could do it from the perspective of like the military cleanup or attempted whatever they're doing here. Um,
01:26:03
Speaker
Like I think they literally could do a wreck to which is like you follow the cops into the building and it's like their body cams and like the cameras mounted on the like not they're not regular cops. These are like SWAT that are like maybe know a little bit more than like the regular cops would about what's going on. But like, yeah, I how did they man? That's something I always wondered, like,
01:26:32
Speaker
Did they just fly way too close to this thing? It looked pretty far away up until it jumped at them.
01:26:43
Speaker
I really like too how it's like slowly turning to daylight throughout this whole ending sequence. I liked that. And what you said to like it was far looked far away until it jumped. I feel like the way is at least based on what we've seen of it and from what I recall, like looking at a full body sketch of the monster design, its limbs are like kind of bent when it's walking. So it's probably much longer, almost like a grasshopper, like can extend stuff like
01:27:12
Speaker
it might be much taller than how it's normally walking. I would like to see like just for the sake like see that from a different angle like just to see what the monster did there yeah like yeah I was paying attention we don't see the other helicopter go down at all. So we can assume that
01:27:33
Speaker
I'm blinging on her name, but that she got out, because we didn't- Good, because she deserves it. If anyone deserves it, I think it's her. She just, you know, she lost her boyfriend, but then she continued to be dragged around by all of these other people, you know? She lost enough. Yeah, going back to your earlier thing, I think,
01:28:01
Speaker
If there is a sequel, I don't want to see these guys again. It's like, regardless of what my takeaway from that end audio is supposed to be, but especially if like Reeves intent is that they all die, then I definitely don't want to see them again.
01:28:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I do love that it's just daylight now. And it makes it really cool of when, because we've been seeing this thing at night, it's obscured by smoke and other buildings, but this is like an open field. And it adds like some finality to it, you know? We've been at night and it's been nighttime this whole time and now, man,
01:28:47
Speaker
It is interesting that we're looking up. It's up looking. I mean, like we're on the ground floor looking down. So it's got gills. I think that's what those are supposed to be on its head. Right. Or like not gills, lungs. Maybe. Oh, because those are the eyes in front. So on the side, it almost looks bat like. You know what I mean? Yeah.
01:29:12
Speaker
Man, so it ripped him in half. That bite looks like it might have cut him in half. I don't think he just nibbled off a chunk. I think, yeah, he was- It was a good snap, it seemed.
01:29:31
Speaker
That sucks. So I wonder if it just like walked away. It's like, got TJ Miller. I really just had beef with this one specific because normally it's not like picking and choosing targets or anything. Just kind of care. You know, it's just walking and stuff is in its way. But this, it almost seemed like it was like a, what is this?
01:29:52
Speaker
like what like I've seen my dog do that with like a bug like look at it just be and then just like lick it or eat it or something just like not like it was hungry or wanting like it was like what is I'm gonna do this I don't I don't think it was like eating him for sustenance or anything like I did I think it's what you said of this just like huh what's down there
01:30:15
Speaker
kind of like the t-rex with the car and Jurassic Park like it's biting the wheel it's like it's like figuring out what the fuck it is it's just these creatures you know they use their mouth to help figure out what shit is they use all their senses yeah you use your teeth use your tentacles use your gills you got a full body senses
01:30:38
Speaker
Every creature has the question, is this food? When they encounter something, they have to test, is it food? I've watched my dog test, is this food? We go quiet when the movie gets intense. I'm just like, man, I'm just locked in. Yeah, she's giving a really good performance.
01:31:02
Speaker
And I now that I'm fully a fan of found footage, I really can appreciate when because I almost feel like it's a harder degree of difficulty than like if this was just a horror movie shot conventionally, the level of difficulty doing a performance for found footage thing is higher. I think you have to be like more real. Yeah, more believable.
01:31:27
Speaker
Unbelievable to like you said that performative aspect someone a real person who knows they're being recorded acts different Than you know, they would just be off-camera
01:31:39
Speaker
Mm hmm. So this is May 23rd. It's almost a full month after what they were recording over. I like that, you know, the movie began with them. It's ending with them. The movie began with testimonies at the party. It's ending with them giving their testimony about, you know, what went wrong after the party.
01:32:02
Speaker
Yeah, it feels like it does feel like we did get a story and an arc, even though it is them running around from place to place. I mean, they do have the mission of like, yeah, he needs to find Beth and then he gets her. But that and that does make it feel like that. Yeah, there was a purpose through all of it. Mm hmm. This is the last shot. I don't know what to say. Um.
01:32:31
Speaker
I think she says like, I don't know why this is happening. Yeah. I don't know why this is happening. I remember that being in the trailer too. This is so good. Good. And her performance is excellent. Really snotty. No. And just, I mean, realistically, I so
01:33:00
Speaker
I don't I'm trying to so this was like I got it ends and I love you I do like that so so that was like a bridge they were taking shelter under right or not a yeah it was under a bridge in like Central Park I think what was known as Central Park okay there just fell in the water was it's so hard to see it's harder than I always remember it seeing but it was in like the way way back I couldn't
01:33:27
Speaker
It's like hard to tell what it was. It looked like really long and stringy though, but it was hard to tell if that was like smoke. Yeah. That's a nice ending though. Static sounds directed by Matt Reeves. So yeah, to me, they're dead.
01:33:44
Speaker
Oh, Drew Goddard wrote this. I forgot about that part. Me too. Shut up, Drew Goddard. So, like, I don't... I would like to know where all of the bombs landed. Because, I mean, if they landed on that park, like, right where they were, they would have to be dead, I think. And they said the area known as Central Park. Like, after the helicopters that got out got out, don't you... wouldn't they just bomb the whole city? But I wonder, though, like,
01:34:15
Speaker
I mean, so this is supposed to be like a camcorder. I doubt the camcorder survives that if they don't survive that. Like... Oh, the camcorder surviving just the rubble falling barely doesn't really make sense. Like that that would have been, it would have been too damaged or something. So I feel like we would have to believe they survived if the camera survived, right? Because that camera...
01:34:40
Speaker
Well, you just said the rubble alone would crush the camera. Oh, I'm saying that doesn't make sense that the camera is still recoverable. That is like a logic hole in the thing because even if they didn't bomb it, it should have been crushed probably. But the camera being found and them being, I mean, most found footage movies, the concept conceit is that like whoever filmed this died and then we recovered this.
01:35:03
Speaker
I know that about other footage. But this one too is saying that they recovered this from the area known as Central Park and I don't know. I just I don't believe that they survived. I'm on Matt Reeves' side. They're dead.
01:35:18
Speaker
I mean, I'm just not fully dismissing it as like as them being dead. I want the bummer ending. I could go one way or the other. Not just logically, it makes more sense to me. I just I just like that thematically and like as a story better if they die. I don't have a preference one way or the other. I've kind of like the not knowing one way or the other if they lived or died.
01:35:44
Speaker
Yeah, I like that in some movies, but this I have a definite preference and then it's that they're dead. I mean, the ambiguity and this is in a lot of other stuff, mostly like monster stuff. Like what exactly happened when Lizzie Kaplan popped? Where did the thing come from? Like I like those being mysteries with the human story that we're following. I kind of prefer it to have a definitive
01:36:06
Speaker
like period at the end of like, yeah, they they found each other in the midst of all this chaos, but then they died, but they died together, you know, and they said, I love you and stuff. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. I'm just fine with them. It's just more beautiful to me if they died together as lovers. I mean, I don't have a problem with them. Just fine with it. I like the ambiguity of not knowing one way or the other if they lived or died, letting it be
01:36:34
Speaker
Letting either be an option. Kind of like your thing with Axe a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do like the open-endedness of that. But yeah, I like it in certain things and then other things I like.
01:36:49
Speaker
the definitive read, I don't know. This one, yeah, I definitely, it just, it means more to me emotionally if they die. So that's why I, that's, my emotional experience of movies trumps most other things when I'm formulating like how I feel about something, even though logically I think I can make a pretty strong case for why they did die. But like, then I think the biggest reason is just, yeah, I just, I,
01:37:15
Speaker
it affects me more. And I like that as a, you know, there's something kind of beautiful about that, that they, you know, they did, they had all this, you know, turmoil in their relationship, but then, you know, or they're not relationship, but they did find each other and, you know, profess their love before they died together.
01:37:34
Speaker
And I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not trying to convince you against that either. No, I didn't think you were. I'm just doubling down and defending my stance because I do have it. I wasn't trying to attack your stance at all. And Matt Reeves just texted me and he said that he could, because he's listening live, we haven't published it yet. And he said, he's like, man, Nick's really attacking you. Nick's ganging up on you.
01:38:04
Speaker
I've always liked not knowing. I've never even known if I've wanted a sequel to the... Cloverfield's always a thing where I'm like, I don't know if I want more. 10 Cloverfield Lane, I like how detached it is from this. It was like...
01:38:24
Speaker
We'll get into that, but I was kind of nervous when that was coming up. This was like, you know how people nowadays are like, don't ruin my thing. Cloverfield was like the one where I'm like, I hope they don't fuck it up. It kind of sucks that they just fucking rushed to the third one so fucking fast. I mean, they did too in Cloverfield Lane and they never did anything else in Cloverfield.
01:38:45
Speaker
The Last Jedi was the last Star Wars movie that they made. And I mean the answers that 10 Cloverfield Lane do give you too. I would almost like if all of the movies just kind of ended with like no definitive answers. Oh sure. I mean because there's even
01:39:04
Speaker
If they are dead there's a lot that this movie just leaves up in the air. Well then there's that whole other girl too that I've always liked that she just gets out on another helicopter and just because the camera is not on that helicopter we just don't know what happened beyond that point. So a thing I'm reading says that the thing with them where you hear it's still alive
01:39:32
Speaker
That was added for the DVD release. Was it in the theater that they? I honestly don't think I was staying for credits at that point in my, I can't remember though. It's, I mean, so grain of salt, but like, uh, yeah, screen rent kind of sucks.
01:39:53
Speaker
They're a little clickbaity. I'm not saying that about this article, but they like to have non-news. The headline will make it seem like this is the biggest announcement that's ever been made. And then you open up and read the thing and it's like, and then in the movie,
01:40:13
Speaker
the heart symbolizes love. It's just like the really obvious thing that they're explaining or something. But in this, it does say that that was like an alternate ending that was added. So let's play. I mean, this would be the home release anyway, but now I'm curious of like, does it
01:40:37
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Does it automatically go to that, what you said? I think it just, uh, when the credits are done, you'll probably see it in the subtitles. I think it, it's just a audio clip that plays. It's like, I think the idea was that was supposed to be at the very end of the video, um, after the explosion, like, I don't know. So like, I, I,
01:41:05
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Logically, them and the camera surviving doesn't make sense. The camera surviving really doesn't make sense, but I just buy into that because of the nature of found footage. I'm like, whatever, they recovered it. And I think that's why I'm more willing to buy that they survive too, just because in my brain, I'm just like, if that camera is able to survive that, then I think a human body could survive that.
01:41:35
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but I'm also not saying I would prefer if they survive. Yeah, I like the ambiguity, but I do like you're the only person I think that's
01:41:48
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explained to me, or not explained to me, but like had a defense, like a firm stance in defense for them being dead. And I appreciate hearing that and having that like, that's something I think I'm gonna think about more with this. Yeah, it sounds like what Matt Reeves said in this interview is pretty much in line with, he was like, yeah, he just really likes that after they found each other and that they have this moment before they die, like it is tragic.
01:42:16
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But he says it was also very human and that he loved that about it. But that was really the studio was like, let's think about this. Does it seem too grim? And then he was like, yeah, well, it feels like the right ending. So.
01:42:34
Speaker
But then they went ahead and apparently just had it. This is when I don't get about Matt Reeves. Why is he fighting so hard for a dark ending in Cloverfield? But he's got these softball endings in his fucking Planet of the Apes movies. I think they're pretty dark. I don't know. I just rewatched War for a Planet of the Apes.
01:42:54
Speaker
I think that maybe the ending just reads as darker now knowing that like 100 or so years later when we get to the start of the new movies that like Caesar's message means nothing that it's like been perverted and are just lost and forgotten. It's like he because it does seem like this almost Jesus like sacrifice of like oh he's dying for the apes and like for there to be peace and then the next movie starts like nah
01:43:20
Speaker
that that that doesn't carry over like you know you can be the greatest savior or messiah whatever but like over time anyone can like co-opt your message to do whatever oh michael giacchino wrote some of the score um i
01:43:38
Speaker
I don't know. Compared to the original Apes series, I would say the newer Apes feel a bit more like they were pulling punches with some of them. I don't know. I've come around. Not that come around because I've liked them initially, but I've just on rewatching and reflecting on the Matt Reeves one and the latest one. I think they're really dark still, just not in the same way of like as
01:44:03
Speaker
Like blatantly dark. I just think thematically and stuff that there's it's pretty fucked up in bleak It's not they're not optimistic movies Well, I wouldn't call them optimistic, but I'm just saying so they Just played the thing we missed it. But I was looking at Matt Reeves shit I didn't we can rewind that second the movies over But um
01:44:31
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't say that they're optimistic and I'm not saying that they're not. Help us. Oh, help us. Oh, so they didn't even say it's still alive. They just said, help us. I thought it said it's still alive. I mean, yeah, that still does.
01:44:51
Speaker
That's almost worse. Especially if that's not what Veeves wanted. They just fucking add that in. Yeah, his apes thing. I wasn't saying they're not bleak and they're optimistic, but I would just say they feel like they're pulling punches. I don't know. They don't feel like they're going as dark as they could.
01:45:15
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I don't know that I just, I mean, I just don't know what the darker versions of those movies would look like. I don't know. To me, they're falling through on the premises that they're setting out to do. I don't know. I pretty much love all the Apes movies besides The Burden One. Again, I'm not saying that I don't love them. I didn't say that you didn't love them. I know.
01:45:44
Speaker
When you follow it up, it just feels like I have to go back and be like, that's not what I'm saying. I wasn't trying to make you defend your love. I'm just stating of how I feel about the movies. I don't have any issues or think they're bad movies. I feel like they're
01:46:03
Speaker
Not as bleak as they could go up. They just feel like softball sci-fi compared to the original apes. They feel like they're more action than sci-fi. Oh, they have definitely a lot more action than the original movies. And I think kind of like the bleak sci-fi as opposed to the
01:46:22
Speaker
more action driven apes that we got from Matt Reeves. Yeah, I guess just my arm. I think he marries those two very well of like there is big blockbuster action because these are like big budget sci-fi movies now that like that's just how movies of that size have to have action shit like that. But then there's still philosophical ideas and like like it's it's still pretty dark to me. I don't know. There's
01:46:49
Speaker
I think Kingdom is going to start to push it in the direction that I want it to go in. The end of Kingdom was really starting to feel like it's getting there for me. Oh, I think over time, especially if what we're leading to is some kind of version of the original movie, that it has to just get darker just because of what we know this world and society becomes, that that's just
01:47:12
Speaker
That's just the natural course of it. But in the movies themselves, yeah, I think there's a lot of really tragic stuff. Like, I'll cry during the Reeves ones. Yeah. Really? I get, like, very little out of the Matt Reeves apes on, like, an emotional level. I think they're very bold in terms of the storytelling. Like, not just as, like, action thing. Because there is thrilling and cool action in it. But to me, the most ambitious, like,
01:47:42
Speaker
parts of the movies like emotionally how gut punches they can be and that I think they are still grappling with big philosophical ideas, especially compared to other sci-fi franchise. Compared to the earlier Apes movies, it isn't just like someone's going to
01:48:00
Speaker
sit and talk about debate the grandfather paradox or something we're not having those kind of scenes in these movies but there's still like moral debates and like like it makes I don't know it makes me think and it's still like doing political themes that have been present in the movie since the beginning so yeah I think the Reeves movies still do all that for me I would just like more
01:48:29
Speaker
but he can't go back and refilm them. And that's his fault. Um, who says he can't? Why not? Uh, didn't we just go back and refil? Who are we just saying should go? Oh, Rodriguez with spy kids.
Director's Creative Control and Remakes
01:48:41
Speaker
Uh, yeah, we were talking about like, what, what were we talking about that a director remaking the, Oh,
01:48:53
Speaker
John Woo, we were talking about maybe for like rights purposes, filmmakers like remaking their own. Oh, sure. Like we were talking about the idea of like, what would make someone remake their own film? Yeah, sometimes I think it's literally just an experiment of, uh, cause like, was the funny, I haven't seen your version of funny games, but was, I don't think that was a rights thing, right? Then he kind of, he just kind of wanted to do it again, but with an American cast.
01:49:21
Speaker
funny games. I think it was the same with the Vanishing 2. It was the same director who came back and did the American version. And he kind of just did it to do it? Or was it? Sometimes I also think it's that... I think he did it to be the guy who was doing it. I think that's what John Woo's thing with the killer was, is that I think they were just going to do a killer, an American the killer. And he was just like, well, I should be the one who does it then.
01:49:46
Speaker
I think what we should do is all directors have to go back and remake all of their movies exactly to how the fans want it to be. They need to give it back to the fans. Give it back to the fans. Because the fans, it's been taken away from them and yeah, we needed to give them back. So give it back.
01:50:09
Speaker
Give it back to the fans. Everything should be a Snyder cut situation. There should be two cuts of every movie, the director's cut and the real cut.
01:50:19
Speaker
The real vision, yes. Except for- The director's cutting the real vision. I like that wording better. The studio's version is the real vision. No, the fan version. So you put out the real version and then you go to Twitter or something and just start a thread. Be like, what's everything we did wrong? And the fans will correct it for you. And then you go and you rewrite based off of the fan suggestions.
01:50:49
Speaker
Everything turns out like Rise of Skywalker. I mean, that should be the model. I think that should be what all franchises aspire to be. I mean, Rise of Skywalker made money. That should be the lesson they learned from. People went to see it. So it seemed like everyone hated it, but they did pay us money. So I don't know.
01:51:11
Speaker
it is funny that like how misshapen and like obviously trying to like course correct things that didn't need course correcting that movie did but then it pissed up it was like trying to appease the babies who didn't like the last Jedi but then no one liked Rysus Skywall well I don't say no one because there's people who will defend literally anything there are
01:51:33
Speaker
There's some weirdos online. But we don't talk to them. I don't want to talk to them. They just really love the moment when it looks like Ray blew up the transport that Chewbacca was in, and then they say, like, oh, there was another transport.
Critique on Storytelling in Star Wars and Cloverfield
01:51:50
Speaker
Like, that's just good storytelling.
01:51:52
Speaker
It is, you know, somehow people returning. Yeah. And that's, and that we don't see it, that someone just says that, nah, they returned, they're back. It happened in Fortnite, didn't you see it? It's easier for me to understand if you just tell me instead of showing me.
01:52:09
Speaker
Well, if you do show me or like, prelude to it in any way, it should be a tie-in event in Fortnite. It should be a live event in a live service game that, yeah, like, I just don't know why you would have that in the movie. Don't give me the story in the movie. Give it to me in a video game tie-in. Yeah, I want to get my Star Wars told to me through a TV at a Speedway gas station pump.
01:52:39
Speaker
I want it told to me through like a slightly out of tune radio that's like, that I'm like kind of not barely hearing over something out like the passing highway, you know? Yeah. I want to hear it on an AM radio frequency. There could be like a cool version of that where like something, they set up something in the movie and it's like, like a radio transmission. That's kind of steak. That could be how they announced Cloverfield too.
01:53:07
Speaker
Dun, dun, dun! Well, there is Cloverfield 2 like a sequel to this one. Or 10 Cloverfield Lane 2. No, the sequel- That's too many numbers at this point. John Goodman returns. Somehow John Goodman returns. Yeah, but we won't. Someone will just say that.
01:53:26
Speaker
Why would we show it? No, I meant like a sequel to the... Why would we show it? Why? Why would we ever do that? The audacity. That's me being in the room with the studio. No, we're not showing that. There's no reason to. Yeah. But to the movie we just saw, Cloverfield, parentheses, 2008, if they did a sequel to that,
01:53:52
Speaker
I would want them, not that I'm saying I do want a sequel to this, I would be intrigued, especially if, you know, you get the band back together in terms of like, if Reeves is back like that would definitely be pretty intriguing. But like, I, I would want them to do some kind of don't just do the same kind of viral marketing campaign that this one did, because like, I don't even think the internet
01:54:15
Speaker
and how things are hyped up in that way kind of, it wouldn't work the same now. But find some other way to do some kind of cross-media, like I said, well, people don't listen to just the regular radio, but I don't know, some kind of like staticky broadcast coming through something else would be kind of cool.
01:54:38
Speaker
Create a podcast just for fucking like it like a conspiracy pocket or like have NPR Create like a fake podcast or something like where they're talking about some kind of like whatever thing you're watching like a vice a vice news thing and then it like cuts into like You like hear the the static or something the monster
01:55:03
Speaker
it's crazy how Paramount was just I don't know how they come to like this conclusion by the end of it but Cloverfield the big thing behind it was marketing the way that it was marketed all of this like right out of the gate 10 Cloverfield Lane to they mess with the marketing a little bit but they were like boom here's the trailers movie comes out a fucking month from today be ready and it was like they didn't fall they like
01:55:29
Speaker
The marketing of that one was the surprise of it because no one saw it coming. And there was still some like tie ins you can find on the internet like things you could buy like Jones soda I think had like a tie in since John Goodman is drinking like Jones soda or something throughout the whole movie. There was like some drink.
01:55:48
Speaker
We'll keep an eye open for the straigs and the... Because I bought a pack of the drink that was tied in for Tengco Field Lane. How was it? It was terrible. Yeah, it was a pack of root beer. It was disgusting. Bad root beer. And I love root beer, but when root beer is bad, it's... I like root beer, too. It was really bad, though. But what's it called?
01:56:13
Speaker
And yeah, but it was like way less marketing. And then Cloverfield Paradox was like, what about no marketing? What if we just drop it on Netflix? Wasn't it that night? It was like the Super Bowl or something. Yeah, they took out an ad and they were like. You can go watch it right now.
01:56:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And it's like it almost speaks to how half-assed that movie was. And again, like the the actual movie that it originally was, because there was a movie announced called God Particle that I guess there were rumors when like people knew that JJ was like producing and like, oh, is this a Cloverfield thing? But I'm sure before all that Cloverfield bullshit was added, maybe there was a compelling sci-fi movie in there that like
01:56:58
Speaker
just yeah like I like the guy that was in the wall there's there's like cool people in the case Elizabeth there's a hand Elizabeth to Becky it's like from the Munsters I think no oh I have no idea I I've scrubbed that movie from my brain I like memorable one the franchise I'm surprised you forget
01:57:18
Speaker
I like was actively mad watching that movie. I was like, oh, so like you just completely slam dunked this into the toilet after 10 Cloverfield. Like you couldn't just just fucking leave.
01:57:34
Speaker
Just seems like it would be easy. There was just no restraint. You guys couldn't just wait until you find something worthwhile like you did with 10 Cloverfield Lane and you put the work in. Dan Trachtenberg had other writers and JJ occasionally popping in there and they put
01:57:53
Speaker
a lot of work into the fucking script of 10 Cloverfield Lane to make it a Cloverfield movie and not like you know in a sense that it's a sequel to this but make it to what was supposed to be the new format for the Cloverfield movie these like Twilight Zone-esque situational monster movies you know and right no and that was
01:58:16
Speaker
what it should have been. And they, yeah, I think they, they definitely, was it just, they, they were just too excited and they just rushed it. Like, cause they, yeah. It seemed like they were too excited. They rushed it. They had a bad product and they're like, how can we salvage this? We sell it to Netflix and let them have a marketing fucking thing with this movie. And then Netflix did the whole Superbowl thing because
01:58:43
Speaker
It was at a period to where Paramount was just fucking offloading shit to Netflix. Like they sold the international rights to annihilation to Netflix. It didn't even get theatrical release. I remember reading about that and like being bummed for like friends in other countries is like, man, I've seen that movie on a screen, even though our theatrical run here was super short. Like I still did see it in theaters. And I was like, man, that movie was so special seeing it in a theater that said,
01:59:10
Speaker
Like, yeah, that sucks that when that happens, some movies like that. Yeah. So, I don't know.
01:59:20
Speaker
It really, I wouldn't be excited if they announced a new Cloverfield movie. It would need the right talent behind it for me to get excited. Like I said, if they got Reeves back, I would be- Or Dan Trachtenberg.
Found Footage and Franchise Comparisons
01:59:33
Speaker
Either of them. I mean, Trachtenberg's probably, there's like multiple- He's doing a pre-sequel now. A pre-sequel, but isn't there also gonna be
01:59:40
Speaker
other Predator movies set in the future, I think, like the far future. It's going to be a different time period than Prey. There's like two Predator things being developed, the sequel to Prey, and then another Predator thing in a different time period, which if that's the new format for that, I do love that. Just drop a Predator into a time period, and then that's
02:00:03
Speaker
Well, it's kind of like Trachtenberg brought the fucking, like, idea for Cloverfield and was like, just moved it over to Bray. I'll just take this, like, kind of anthology thing over here to this franchise.
02:00:19
Speaker
Which it's, I don't know, did I say this on the Alien, on the roundness review? Like, I'm much more interested to see the future of that, of the Predator franchise, of like the Prey sequel and whatever else they're doing. Like, Predator's in a much creatively healthier place than Alien, which is like... Creatively healthier, I like that.
02:00:42
Speaker
Like, yeah, if we were doctors diagnosing it and we took aliens temperature after Romulus, like the thermometer would break, we'd be like, fuck! Quarantine her! She's bit, bite, bite! Quarantine! Yeah, bite, bite! Yeah, we gotta bite! And then the franchise just fucking bloats behind a curtain and pops. Yeah, I like that. That's good.
02:01:08
Speaker
Should we have it on there? Yeah. Ended on the Predator and Alien franchise. I'm excited for 10 Cloverfield Lane. Yeah, no, I like this even better. Like it was already a movie that I hold in a super high regard, but like watching it now and then having... Yeah, I don't know. I can just appreciate what they did here and how special that was and that
02:01:33
Speaker
Not easy to do. As I've gotten more into found footage, it's easy to make a bad found footage movie, I think. I mean, it's easy to make a bad anything movie, I think. Let's try. Let's try to make a bad movie. On purpose. We're going to set out... They say no one sets out to make a bad movie. We are. We're going to be like... It'll be in the marketing. This is a piece of shit.
02:01:56
Speaker
they tried to make a bad found footage movie and they did and then people will see it and they'll complain about how bad it is, not knowing what they were watching when they went into it, not knowing the experiment that they walked into. Right, you fucking, you guys are guinea pigs in our experiment. But no, I,
02:02:16
Speaker
I think there's a lot of great found footage, and there's probably more that I still have to get around to seeing, but the really, really high-level executed ones like this are just so special because it's like...
02:02:33
Speaker
Yeah, this wasn't, you did all the right elements and like tuned everything to the performances, the casting, you got it right, you're showing the mon- like fuck anyone who says you don't see the monster, you're seeing the monster the exact right amount. Like that's like someone who walks away from the original Blair Witch Project and they're like, you never saw the witch, it's not really scary. And it's like,
02:02:58
Speaker
I don't even hate Blair Witch 2016. They had a wind guard one, but I do not like when we see the witch in the head and she's just like a long naked lady and she's like, running at people. I'm like, that's not scary. Uh, I thought it was kind of hot. Oh, well I did think it was, no, I was jerking off and I watched it. Getting something else out of it. Yeah. No, I just meant in terms of like, I wasn't scared. I didn't, I had a boater. It's chapter two, you know,
02:03:26
Speaker
I didn't even finish the movie. I had to pause it and I was just like, damn. I had to be escorted out of the theater. Sir, we're going to have to ask you to leave. I was banned for life. That's why I have so many difficult experiences at the Marcus Theater of Chicago Heights. That's the real reason.
02:03:49
Speaker
Yeah. It's not because they're a bad establishment. It's not because it's a forgotten theater that is just shitty and run down. No, it's because you keep going there to jerk off. That's what it was there for. Well, I thought this was America. It was like we can't even jerk off in theaters anymore. Yeah.
02:04:16
Speaker
There was something I was going to say about Cloverfield. Great movie. Have you heard of it? It's really good. We should watch it sometime. I really want you to see it. I am really going to think about the dark ending because I've never really cared to
02:04:37
Speaker
Fully go to go in one direction or the other. Yeah, I've never really cared to make a choice I've always I've never tried to make a choice it not not just about this ending just like in your life You don't just yeah everything do you want fries or onion rings? And then I don't eat And then I don't eat that's how every time anytime someone poses me with an option two options Italian or Chinese
02:05:10
Speaker
guess you're going hungry tonight he's crying now yeah laughing crying it's all the same I used to think my life was a tragedy then I realized it was a
02:05:26
Speaker
Musical? Question mark? You'll find out in two days with our Joker Folio Do review, folks. Or one day. I don't, whenever, you'll figure it out. Yeah. Should we end it on that note? I think that's good, a spoiler, or a teaser for the next episode. Also, I don't jerk off in theaters, people. That's just a disclaimer that's not something I do. Yeah, you're not Peewee Herman or whatever.
02:05:56
Speaker
Or that guy at Love Lies Bleeding. I don't know if you've seen the picture of that, that went viral. This guy had, it's not that he had his dick out, he fell asleep jerking off, but then he also had like coke and booze and drugs. He had like drugs, booze, like hard drugs. This dude was partying. Dang, that's wild. Yeah, I've never gone that hard at the theater, so.
02:06:24
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I've fallen asleep during a movie. I've fallen asleep at a movie, this was a long time ago, with like alcohol that I bought at the theater, like in my cup holder. And I, yeah, it was when I saw High Life actually, and a theater employee woke me up during the credits and
02:06:50
Speaker
I felt bad then, even though there were no hard substances. And you'd bought it at the theater. But I still felt bad. I think this was all this guy's stash. It didn't look like, I think he was like, you know, it was just like one of those small bottles. I think he just brought his own party.
02:07:07
Speaker
I mean, one time I fell asleep with a plate of pancakes from IHOP on mine and I didn't even know what to do. I didn't even go to IHOP earlier. I didn't even know I was at the theater.
02:07:21
Speaker
It's a very weird Tuesday. $5 Tuesdays, you know? What can I say? It gets a little crazy. Oh, $6 now. Fucking inflation. Oh, yeah. Fuck. Inflation. God damn. Biden. Anyway. That note. We don't do our intro or outro, so. Just, you know, rate us five stars. Just do it.
02:07:41
Speaker
I dare you, I dare you to do it. Yeah, leave us a five-star review, rate us five stars, and keep a lookout for Joker Feliada, our musical episode. We're gonna sing the episode. I'm gonna sing, sending the clowns, or whatever. Here comes the clown. I started a joke.
02:08:03
Speaker
that had the whole world laughing. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see what that movie is. Yeah, I think it's I Started Joke that had the whole world crying also. Yeah, that's how the original song goes. The more twisted one that's going to be in Joker, it's going to be all effing. Yeah, and he's going to be like, oh, in the middle of it.
02:08:31
Speaker
He just wasn't ready for that.
Musical Choices in Movies
02:08:33
Speaker
That should just be how we end all episodes. Man, fuck Todd Phillips. We should have made Joker two. We would have picked better songs. All disturbed songs. Yes.
02:08:58
Speaker
Yeah. Anyway, have a good night. Hope you like this. And yeah, we're we're throwing commentaries back into the rotate. You know, it'll kind of just be whenever whenever we get we get to them. I mean, there's going to be a lot of different bonus stuff that we're going to be.
02:09:15
Speaker
Branch it out in all kinds of directions. So look look forward to that But also we're for sure doing Tim Cloverfield Lane and then if the fans demand it because we got to give it back to the fans We'll do cool field paradoxes. You guys have to write it. You guys have to yeah, you have to really not by email You have to write a letter like we'll yeah PO box to write into you need to write by snail mail and I need to know the effort is really there like you got to really want this and
02:09:44
Speaker
Yeah, look in our show notes, you can find our email there. We will consider paradox if we get- If it's like overwhelming, it's like wow, this is like- By overwhelming, we mean like three. The phone lines are ringing up, there's like three bells here.
02:10:01
Speaker
Yeah, donors are calling in. This isn't even supposed to be a live call. I'm like, I don't know. They're calling in. Yeah. How did they get my phone number? I don't even... Shouldn't have taken out that ad with my phone number in it. 222-2222. Yeah. And definitely don't send anything to 555 Fake Street.
02:10:28
Speaker
I'm sorry. That was, that was a fake one. It's one, two, three fake street. Should we do plugs? Uh, sure. Why not? Uh, you could follow the show's Twitter at guys got juice. And then there's a, my personal Twitter at Doug or not underscore two. I am occasionally, I mean, definitely more consistently than I had been, which was not at all. I am logging stuff on my letterbox. So the Doug or not check me out there. Uh, yeah.
02:10:58
Speaker
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02:11:51
Speaker
And have a good night.