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The Order
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are back from their holiday break to review The Order! Directed by Justin Kurzel, starring Jude Law, Nicholas Hoult, and Tye Sheridan!
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Introduction and Debate on 'The Wand'
00:00:18
Speaker
I'm Doug Damport. I'm Nick Ears. And we're These Guys Got Juice. And we saw the us all it's them who's in charge of it all. I've got a tricked out magic stick that will make them all fall.
00:00:46
Speaker
We've got the power now, motherfuckers, that's where it belongs. That's a bad flaming lips and vocal impression. but I had never heard that before. It's called the wand. The wand, hell yeah. Is it about Nazis? No, it's just about literal magic power. I i mean, maybe there's some metaphorical thing behind the lyrics, but in the he's just describing like a wizard getting stronger because he's got like a wand. Yeah.
00:01:15
Speaker
And the way you chose that because the wizard and KKK? but I mean, they do have wizard. No, I just because it's about it's a song about power, you know, and like who wields it and taking it back. And I guess that really does nothing relevant about that in this movie.
Discussion on 'Assassin's Creed II'
00:01:37
Speaker
What did we just watch again? This is Assassin's Creed II. Because right there's only been one other movie. I know there's like 20 games. this is So this is the second movie in the Assassin's Creed movie series. Is Nicholas Holt in Assassin's Creed? No, it's the same director. Is it? Justin Kurzel. You know, I did know that. He did the Fassbender Macbeth. Yeah, I listened to a podcast today that told me all of that. It like slipped my mind up until this point. Damn.
00:02:06
Speaker
Yeah, so it's a different cast than the last movie, because Mike Fassbender's not in it, and then Marianne called it. No one from the previous Assassin's Creed is in this. The apple is returning. The apple's back. That was a good guess that there's an apple in Assassin's Creed, the movie. yeah Oh, you never saw it? The apple's like the whole thing, man. I've never seen it. I almost saw it in theaters. The film cast reviewed it. I was pretty close to seeing it, but I was like, I have a very like strong disinterest for like video game adaptations usually. Me? I think a lot of them are bad. Uh, even the ones that people are like, Oh, they finally got them good now. I think the best recent ones I've seen were like TV ones. Cause like, uh,
00:02:56
Speaker
It's not one to one, but it is a longer storytelling form, so you can like kind of fit more stuff in
Video Game Adaptations
00:03:02
Speaker
there. like I think the Fallout show is probably a pretty high standard. Yeah, my younger brother loves that show. It's like his favorite show. we've I think both agreed Detective Pikachu's favorite. Oh, yeah it clears Mario and Sonic so hard. it like you Mario sucks. I've seen that movie so many times. That movie sucks. It's bad. Yeah. Not good. Have you seen the Sonics?
00:03:26
Speaker
I saw the first one and then i I think on streaming I threw two on and I bailed like 20 minutes in. Sonic and Tails were doing a dance off to Uptown Funk and I was, I think I'm good.
00:03:41
Speaker
Yeah, I can't do it, man. I can't bring... There's just nothing about those Sonic movies that interests me in any, like, way, shape, or form, unless it involves watching it with my nephew. There's adults without kids and aren't watching it for kids with kids who who still seek out and watch those movies.
00:04:00
Speaker
Yeah, I don't understand it. Get a life. Grow up. Yeah, grow up. grove What are you doing with your life? We watch adult movies. You know, there's the order non video game. They make animated movies for grown ups to like, I don't know, fucking watch The Animatrix or Akira or fucking Ghost in the Shell, paranoia
Emotional Impact of 'Furiosa'
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agent. Yeah. um Perfect blue.
00:04:23
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I almost said or Furiosa and then that kind of I don't know why Furiosa but that like a live-action anime or like video game a little bit we've made the comparison but then that just made me like think I just I've seen list after list of most popular movie of the year Furiosa is like three four sometimes number one on the list and I'm like No, what the why did it bomb at the box office then like I never hear people talking about it I mean, I think furious of rules. I think it was the best of the year i I I keep switching my like top shuffling top three around honestly after this most recent rewatch I think it is kind of locked even though other movies
00:05:04
Speaker
Like we were saying before we started Brutalis and Nosferatu might be a little disruptive to my top 10, but I maybe just got to just lock in Furiosa at one because like I was I was fucking feeling it. Maybe it was just the context of it. But like watching that and then a day later, Fury wrote like that made Fury Road. I was I was like crying at the end of Fury Road. And I don't think I would have had that impact if I didn't just watch Furiosa like to lead rewatch Furiosa and lead into that.
00:05:33
Speaker
I mean, three also also gets really emotional, too. Like, I i was just fucking feeling it and watching both of them. Yeah. it They're both just some of the best action movies ever put to celluloid or whatever. I don't think they were actually shot digitally, right? Yeah. so probably Yeah.
00:05:49
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Uh, wrong again, Nick. Um, anyway,
Casting in 'The Order'
00:05:53
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yeah, I don't understand. It's like, where the, this popularity, like who's voting on these things? Um, I dunno, but I think it deserves that title, but guys, you should have seen it at the movies. Anyway, the order. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The order. Um, anyone from Furios in the order? No.
00:06:13
Speaker
Nicholas Holt was a war boy. Someone is in it. I won't say his name just in case your feelings have changed, but there's an actor in here who you once referred to as Blandface McGee. I did call him that. Yeah. ah Am I saving the reveal for that isn't spoiler? I guess they're like, find out. i think Well, I didn't know if your opinion and changed, so I didn't want to pay you to that opinion of this person okay before we get into the movie.
00:06:41
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or, you know, not before we get it, but I didn't want to commit to that opinion. Yeah. I'll reference it later, because I do want to circle back to this actor who I've now I've evolved on my stance of him, but I think he was playing bland face McGee in that movie. Yeah. I first saw it. Was that the first thing I saw? You could probably spoil it at this point, then, if you're fine with revealing who it is. Yeah. OK, so I guess I was saving. I mean,
00:07:06
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so Is it a spoiler that this guy's in the movie? No. They've just been fucking hiding him in the market. It's like Nosferatu's image. They're not going to show you what he looks like. They're like, uh-uh. What's Ty Sheridan going to be doing? It's like the Joker in the dark and everything. What does he look like? Oh, I could just see his silhouette. What is the Batmobile going to look like? What is Ty Sheridan going to look like? I'm just waiting for set leaks to come out of the order. I was like, what? What the fuck is Ty gonna be doing in this one? Is he gonna have his, like, young Cyclops outfit in it? Is he Cyclops? Is this in the Fox?
00:07:43
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Prequel universe Cyclops he was a bad side. What the fuck man? Both actors who play Cyclops are so like forgettable as Cyclops I yeah, I would agree. I like James Marsden other stuff, but as Cyclops He made and and from the cartoons. I like fucking love Cyclops and then the movies made him like oh do I hate Cyclops now I Yeah. And they somehow like progressively like make them less interesting from movie to movie, even as they change actors. Yeah. Like I was just keeps becoming less and less interesting.
Critique of X-Men Movies
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By the time you're at Dark Phoenix, you're like, is he even in this movie? not at or No, I don't remember. Only thing I remember from Dark Phoenix is there's a train. They fight on a train at some point. and Oh, and there's aliens fucking fast vendors in it.
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Academy Award winner Jessica Chastain is an alien lady. Yeah. Fucking ah Jennifer Lawrence gets sent flying to some spikes and then you see her. She's like, please kill me. Yeah, you see her not in character and then get her makeup removed and say, why are you still filming? Yeah, it was one take, though. So it was kind of cool. Yeah. It was a good tracking shot.
00:08:58
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So the order, it's about on par with Dark Phoenix, I would say. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, Dark Phoenix is better. Yeah, I mean, Simon Kinberg, what a talent. I love the way Dark Phoenix really tackles racism. yeah Like head on, you know, it's not shying away from it. All of the X-Men movies kind of are about racism, if you think about it. Whoa.
00:09:26
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Yeah. Hot take. Yeah. No one's ever like made that connection. I think you're on to something here. Yeah.
Humor and Societal Issues
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It's about prejudice. It's like they're different. They're hated because they're different.
00:09:39
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ah Yeah. Anyway, the order. Although if black people shot lasers out of their eyes, we should probably lock them up, right? That'd be too dangerous. like it's not It's not that they're different. It's that they're different in a way that's like extremely like hazardous. You know what I mean?
00:10:00
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Like, what if gay people exploded stuff with their minds? You're just gonna let them walk around? I'm gonna say what? It's like that song that's like, ah here's the story of a girl who cried a river and drowned the whole world. Okay, if there was a girl that powerful, we'd have to kill her. She could drown the world. Like... Doug, that's misogynistic. She's drowning the world! Doug, just because she's a woman,
00:10:26
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She's drowning the world. Dogmen drown the world ever. God drowned the world. I'm not a fan of his either. he didn Let's lock him up. He's still guarding around up there. Yeah. Well, I don't agree with his politics. yeah A man can do it and gets to walk free, but a woman does it. You know, the Scarlet Witch had a point. Wow. Yeah. She had a point. Really makes you think. Yeah.
00:10:53
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So anyway, the order, uh, about as good as Black Widow. Ooh. Black Widow better? and No, I like the order. The order is good. I i movie i got to worry. I just so like I have to contemplate and see it again. I this could crack my top 10. If it's not, it's pretty up there. Like it's only sat with me in a way that's in increase my my view of it. And I don't even know what else I want to say, because I i feel like
00:11:30
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I mean, one, there's not a lot of advertising for this movie, period, but the little I've seen, I feel like didn't even give away what... yeah I don't even think I knew this was a real thing that had happened until, like, i my parents had on, like, Kimmel or something, and Jude Law was talking about the real FBI guy, and I'm like, oh, this is, like, a thing that happened.
00:11:49
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Is Jude Law not a movie star? What's it? Where's his standing? Cause yeah, this movie didn't really have any marketing behind it. It seemed Jude Law, like, I mean,
00:12:02
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Is he not somebody you would like put everywhere, like, hey, new Jude Law movie, like hot guy. I think he was you know that guy. What happened? Like, is he not like a bankable star anymore? Do women not like him? We just have a younger British guy. We have younger British people.
00:12:20
Speaker
There's no audience for hot gruff. Like you honestly, like like I feel like there's marketing that could have been done with this movie, yeah ah especially on social media. Like if I was in charge of the order site, I would just post a picture of Julon this and then post a picture of Gene Hackman in the French connection. Be like, not even, I won't even put a caption. I just put show up next to each other and be like, huh? Kind of has the same vibe.
00:12:46
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You know who else, ah he his performance or character was giving me vibes of Michael Shannon and Nocturnal Animals. I'm like mixed on that movie overall, but that character and performance, I'm always going back to it because I'm like, damn, that's like just everything about, yeah, that character and that of Michael Shannon's
In-depth on 'The Order'
00:13:05
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doing in that movie. And and yeah, his it's not a one for one, but he kind of has those that energy. Yeah.
00:13:13
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It, this movie in particular gave me real, like nocturnal animals. I didn't even think about, but I think the Michael Shannon, this stuff that's like in the book would be kind of like a pretty good comparison for like the tone of this movie. But like this movie gave me like hell or high water vibes. Um, I was thinking of life's like, man, what if Taylor Sheridan made movies again? You know, like maybe we made something like this. It feels like a Taylor Sheridan movie because Wind River was where I was going to go next. Oh, definitely. I've heard other people compare it to Sicario on the podcast I was listening to today. I could i could see that. It's not like not one for one, but it's like adjacent to that.
00:13:55
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Yeah, and I was kind of, there were other movies I was thinking about, like Heat is something that came to mind. There's like a confrontation where I'm like, Heat moment. I had the same, because ah in my head before that scene, we'll well do that scene and spoiler it, but I was like, oh, it'd be funny if this is like like Heat, but in this setting, and then they cut, it's not like exactly that. I'm like, oh, sweet.
00:14:17
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Yeah, I was like, honestly, like Den of Thieves, ah one movie, once a year we should get a movie like this, and it should, I don't know if people are gonna go see this, this movie should have better marketing, man. I feel like this could, I don't know if Hell or High Water was successful, I think it was moderately successful. Didn't Hell or High Water get like Oscar noms? It did, yeah. I feel like there should be like- Some buzz for this movie. Some like Cop and Robber, or like Cat and Mouse, or Good Guy, Bad Guy. Because you could just market like the highest border line Western yeah type of movie, whether it's bank robbers or, you know, what have you, like, there should be a movie with this vibe and like this level of like real world grounded action every year. You know, I think destroyer that Nicole Kidman movie. I didn't see it, but as I think that might be something similar to like what this is, but you know what I mean? No, I know exactly what you mean. Like, i I feel like we're deprived of something like this. Now, normally, if there was anything even approaching this coming out, I feel like it would just go streaming. Yeah. And it would be a mini series. It would be like Apple.
00:15:28
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wants to do a Pacific Northwest mini series about an FBI investigation and it's got kind of true detective-y vibes a little bit but because it's I bring up the true detective comparison because the whole time I'm watching this movie I'm like this movie feels haunted yeah like it has it like it's not a horror movie but like there's images and moments that are like unnerving and like kind of ah like get under my skin and unnerve. I mean there's like some specific stuff that this movie is evoking and and and I mean real things that happen happen. Yeah spoilers this is a true story but then it also has parallels to stuff which is another reason like the awards they love doing stuff like that like politically relevant movies and then they can pat themselves on the back and be like yeah look issues we care about them.
00:16:18
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uh you know like like give this movie some nominations yeah one thing i really enjoyed about this movie too is it stayed like pretty focused and pretty like on like the action the events what's happening these people doing their shit whether they're on one side or the other like it's procedural and like you know on both sides and right ah can it it doesn't really you know this
00:16:49
Speaker
might be a criticism but it's not a movie that like lets itself get bogged down by They give you what you need to know to at least get like an understanding. I feel like the performances and like little moments really give you like who these characters are. But you kind of just get like one scene like of like backstory or hang out with like kind of the main ones. And then they're like, you get you understand, you know enough about like who these guys are. And I feel like it's kind of the point that we don't see too much. Yeah, and otherwise it's a very good like edge of your seat thriller type of thing. I was like this movie, it did feel a little long at like one point for me. It felt like there were kind of several endings. Like there was like a moment where I was like, oh, is this the climactic like shootout? And it's all going on here. And then it kind of like.
00:17:43
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keeps going yeah but but but i i kind of like that and i assume that's maybe what happened like yeah and the real uh thing but like that was what i thought i was like do you kind of have to go with history in order to like tell the story the way it needs to be told and thematically character wise i'll say in spoilers i think where we end with one of the characters is like oh he like wanted this like so like this is like was set up in one of the earlier scenes that could have been the climax and like like a more traditional movie you're like he wanted like this ending yeah i just think um
00:18:24
Speaker
Yeah, I forgot what I was going to say. This movie could have been like bogged down by focusing on something we've talked about on this podcast before. A lot of movies like to like focus on trauma and things like that. But a movie I would compare this to actually is like Long Legs. I feel like it is just like the right amount of ah detail, information, and like just shit about your characters. But a lot of the times it's like,
00:18:50
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We're just in it with our main character in this case, uncovering information as they're getting it. Well, and he also just has no personal life. So it's not like there's anything to cut to, really. Like he has a back. He came from somewhere before this and has like shit, you know, like baggage
Visual Style of 'The Order'
00:19:08
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from that. But like he ain't doing anything else but work in this like like that. That's all he has. Yeah, I and i think that's the heat connection of like both sides of this ah as like this is what they do. Yeah. And even though like I didn't say this on my kid, I'd miss like the first like three to five minutes of the movie, maybe because I came in a little late. um Just from everything I saw, it's just this movie is um engaging and yeah, edge of your seat um storytelling.
00:19:43
Speaker
It's a great thriller. it look See it on a big... like ah Oh, that's what I was gonna say. So glad this didn't get the fucking Rebel Ridge treatment. I was happy that I'm like, I'm glad I'm not watching. I should have seen Rebel Ridge on a big screen, but yeah. I'm like, I'm glad this doesn't look like Rebel Ridge looks. It actually looks fucking incredible. It does. I was thinking, like, is this one of my favorite, like, shot movies of the year? Yeah. Like, it looks and sounds amazing. So see it on a big screen to get the most out of that. I feel like there's this perception now of, like, unless it's the biggest movie ever,
00:20:16
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I can just wait till that streaming or I watch it home. It's like, no, you still there's that. I mean, I would watch the image looks not as good. This movie like. I feel like the moment it gets to Netflix, if that's where it ends up going, it compress the hell. and Yeah. And for some reason, everything gets like either brighter or dimmer for some reason. It just isn't going to look the same. I was trying to imagine what this movie would have looked like on streaming. And I'm just I'm glad we got to see it in theaters. Yeah, same. Me me too. So go see it while you can, because it probably is not like blowing up the box office. So, you know, maybe you have for like a week or two to still see it in theaters. Like, like go go see it. Any of the other stuff out ain't going anywhere. Gladiator and Moana not leaving theaters anytime soon. Go see The Order. Yeah. Well, Craven might be pushing all these movies out.
00:21:13
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They better clear away for the king, man. Yeah, there's a Kraven domination that's about to happen. We live in Kraven nation. We're just living in it. Raven Kraven. That's so Kraven. That's so Kraven. They should do a ah White Castle tie in like the Kraven box or whatever, but it's like cra K Kraven.
00:21:36
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Craven, crave. and Craven some crave. Yeah. I don't know. You figure it out, marketers. I'm just giving you that for free, you know? Yeah, we're just giving you gold here. You do with it as you will. Just fucking spinning gold here. Yeah. Wanna happen to spoilers? Yeah, let's do it.
00:22:24
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And we're back. Uh, last checking Jed Kurzel's score. for the order for all those keeping score score keeping score of the score it's not up yet uh i'm going to keep checking i'll give you guys updates live updates like even after this episode's over i'll be you know you know where my socials are i'll be tweeting on real time be like still no change still not i'll become one of those accounts that just does like updates on
00:22:58
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or how Tim Heidecker will just post since Jimmy Carter has been dying for like two years, he'll just post about Jimmy Carter and be like, no change in status. um
00:23:11
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yeah That's a good bit. Didn't die, still the same. um Do you like the score more than Conclave's score? Or are you undecided i'm undecided? Until I can listen to it on demand whenever I want to. i can't yeah Right now, Conclave's better because I can i can look up that I have access to that score. The Conclave score does fucking rip though. Oh, it does. i just there's There's something...
00:23:41
Speaker
Conclave score is perfect for that movie because then it underlines how how big this all feels, even though it's like an intimate movie. and You feel really Catholic watching it. You're like, this is important what they're doing. Yeah, the Pope died. guy In real life, I'd not give a shit. like they They could be like, the Pope died while you were recording. I'm like, oh, OK. So would they get you know don't care about the Pope.
00:24:05
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uh not really when you think you know a guy yeah this time i thought you really hit a soft spot for the pope um no not really yeah well the order of the pope's not in this movie that's that we know that's a spoiler that we know it well we're in spoilers now yeah oh here's a spoiler uh i never finished what if that was our review we'll just like here's a spoiler list the thing yeah another spoiler um toby mcguire not in this movie not in this movie yeah here's a spoiler tai sheraton
00:24:43
Speaker
good Good actor, because I thought... Blandface McGee? i i That was a direct quote from Doug, by the way. Ready Player One, where he plays Blandface McGee. name Name the name of his character right now while you're listening. Who's the main character in Ready Player One? and ifs Can you picture him? What's his name? I have the script right here. Blandface McGee? Okay, see? I was just pulling shit out of my ass, and it turns out...
00:25:10
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Oh, but you did pull the script out of your ass though. I grabbed it out of your asshole though. That's, it was there. I have scripts for all of Spielberg's movies up there. Just some safekeeping. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I need to keep them. There's copies everywhere, but I just, I don't know. I care. You really believe in physical media. Yeah, I really do. A true believer. Yeah.
00:25:37
Speaker
Anyway, we're really like wild on this episode. No, we are. I mean, it's a wild, it's just a wild world we live in, man. Honestly, I'm doing it out of insecurity because I saw this movie like a full week ago and I'm a little fuzzy on it.
Thematic Exploration of 'The Order'
00:25:54
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um But here's the thing. I really liked it. though I feel like the vibe or feeling that you walk away with it from is almost more point like you made a long legs comparison and i kind of feel like even though yeah this isn't a horror movie it has similar vibes of where you are following the process as they're working this case or how you know from the white supremacist side they're planning the heist and stuff and like these escalating crimes and domestic terrorism stuff but like the movie feels i don't know if i'm even smart enough to pronounce this word correctly it's a
00:26:30
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so Apolictical... Apocalypto? No. Whatever the adjective form of of like ellipses, you know, like the dot, dot, dots. And there's there's a there's a there' a word smart people use that's an adjective of that. And and I can't recall it or say it right now. Eucalyptus. Eucalyptus oil.
00:26:53
Speaker
ah But it... It has that feeling where it's like it is telling you the dates of like when stuff happens but I while in real time watching it kind of was not keeping track of like how much time has start because by the end the last date they show I was like so what year was it when we started or like how much time is but like it oh Yeah, I was just like, that's such a cool touch. I'm not going to even try to retain these dates or any of this. I almost feel like you can if you're like a, ah you know, history, you're in, you want to have the fall of the precise history. I just think it was like 1763 or something. That was the year. 1776. Oh yeah. That was when the country started out. Yeah. Start of Hamilton. Right. yeah
00:27:39
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This is the non-musical version. Unfortunately, no songs. This is also a spoiler. ah But I almost feel like that's like an intentional level you can enjoy this on. that It like blurs together in terms of the time. and There's that that that True Detective vibe I was talking about earlier, because I forgot if I even said that in the first part. It's the same cinematographer as season one of True Detective.
00:28:01
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yeah but like it it not Not just because they're, you know, solving crimes or or whatever that that I'm saying. It's like it like it has that haunted feel. Things kind of blurred together. like And I think that's like kind of supposed to give us a subjective view of these guys who are so locked in like a Michael Mann movie or Heat. It's about guys just being so fucking locked in at what they do that everything else is drowned out.
00:28:26
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like Jew law already doesn't like his family is never coming to visit. him he yeah He'll bring bring that up. And that's just kind of like a sad, dark joke of like when but the other agent comes in, she's like, oh, you are getting the place ready. And it's like a fucking mess. It's like they know that family ain't coming. Like, you know, that he he has no one anymore. And also, even though Nicholas Holt, we do see him. He's got kids with multiple women. He's not there. He's not like a ah super present father, you know, like if and I don't he's not winning father of the year war. Well, and he like, you know, I would assume is probably going to drop that side girl because she had a girl instead of a boy. And she's like, I'm sorry, you didn't have a boy. And, you know, even though this is just the kind of like psycho he is, even though he like seems like he's OK with it in my head, I'm like,
00:29:21
Speaker
Oh, this guy's just fucking evil. He's like pretending to be okay, but he's like, I got that same exact vibe. And I don't even know how to describe the way Holt plays us because Hope, by the way, having a great year. We haven't even seen those. And a great test too. Yeah.
00:29:38
Speaker
I was like, damn, cause I've been going to the gym. So I've been like, anytime I see a guy with their shirt off in a movie, I'm like, let me look at that a little extra. And you yeah I was like taking notes on the chest. I was like, that's what it's supposed to look like. is it movie so But then I was like, but he's a racist. So did they give him a bad chest? And I'm like taking notes on a bad chest. I don't know.
00:30:01
Speaker
I think it would look pretty good from where I was sitting, but... Yeah, good ear, good chest, good movies. He's having a life, you know? Good thing he fucking ditched the Fox X-Men. He's been doing real shit since he left that. Oh, yeah, Beast. Yeah. I've heard multiple X-Men... This is an X-Men reunion. Yeah, ever since he ditched the X-Men, then COVID happened, and then he... Beast and Cyclops. ...did the menu and like... Facing off. Oh, wait.
00:30:30
Speaker
Um, what's it called? Yeah. Fuck. I realize i didn't east make that connection because I was like, yeah, we did take talk about cycle. I can't remember if that was on mic or not. It was before. i stamp That was a good conversation. I mean, also not a good performance by, uh, playing face.
00:30:49
Speaker
though my face me i'm I'm pro-Thai Sheridan now because this combined with card counter, I think thumbs up. like yeah You just fucking blew my mind right there that they were both in the same movie. So I was like making a point, but yeah, he's been doing great. Sorry. Wow.
00:31:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. it's ah The fans have been waiting so long for Beast and Cyclops. Two characters who don't usually fight on the same side. Like, when are they going to face off? Yeah. And, you know, it' Captain Blorp Blorp from Captain Marvel, you know, yeah you you know, you lost character. We all know he was. We remember he was in that. Yeah.
00:31:26
Speaker
um like Holt is scary in this. He's terrifying. The way he has, because like you said, he does stuff like that where he's like, oh, I don't care that you have a boy to his side woman. But then he he has this gentle touch when he's talking to people. Like when when they have that meeting, ah which felt like like some kind of Western scene or almost like a scene out of with the Spanish dude.
00:31:52
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ah Well, that that that that scene is is great, but I meant specifically when he meets with the pastor of the white supremacist church that he like is splintering off of. yeah and And the guy is telling him, like you need to chill out. The feds are like poking around. like don't Don't fucking be causing trouble. And and then you see that like, whole has one of his guys with a rifle trained on the pastor. ah it like It almost felt like some kind of breaking bad, like a breaking bad whenever they go to the desert to like face off ah against each other, you know, like someone's getting threatened or like they have a gun to their head in the desert.
00:32:26
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um I think you'll appreciate this, and maybe you disagree. um I don't think you will, though. Justified is what I kept thinking of while watching this, especially because episode one of Justified, Boyd Crowder with that yeah fucking bazooka shooting the church. It made me wonder, I was like, did they base that off of this because since's this is a real thing?
00:32:48
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What did they if that was or Elmer Leonard, whenever the the original book that Justify was getting those characters from, I don't know, Boyd did that in the book, too. But ah were they getting that from this real case? Because I was like, oh, that's like the same M.O. of like blow somewhere up and then you're doing the robbery while the police are distracted.
00:33:09
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Yeah, and I remember watching because I've seen that pilot of justified like so many times several times Yeah, and I every time I think like that's not that realistic Where would he get a fucking rocket launcher bazooka? Whatever it is like? Yeah, where would he get that? like Someone at this level would not like have this access to Then I'm watching this movie where like someone does that and more and has all this access and all this money and I'm like, oh shit, like this makes me like justified a little more. And I was like, this is like how these
Comparison with 'Justified'
00:33:47
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people operate. I thought it was like really fucking interesting. Cool. It was interesting seeing all of this on screen. This movie feels like, oh oddly enough, like necessary viewing for this year. you know Yeah. I've recommended it to like ah my friends, Jake and Amy. I like told her we were reviewing and I was like, you should definitely like check this out. Shout out to Jake and Amy. We ended up in their top five on Spotify. Hell yeah. Love you, Jake and Amy. oh Well, we ended up in Amy's. I don't know about Jake's. Jake listens to a lot of podcasts. You're on notice. Yeah. I retract my love for you and now Amy is I'm a fan of. But
00:34:21
Speaker
Uh, no, I think that, that is, I agree, like ne necessary viewing for this, this year specifically, but then it just furthers the whole, cause like I, I'm of course know it throughout history of this country. There's been right wing militias, racist, white supremacist militias, or, you know, but to think about the scope of something like that, because it's like their goal is to build an army. So they want to have the same kind of level grade, like military like gear, like like you're saying, those kind of explosives and like automatic weapon and like just the scale of how many people you need is like, I'm like,
00:35:03
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and stare and they have compounds where they just are allowed to just have their like hideouts for their militias. It's like, what the fuck? Honestly, like I am hearing you talk about it. like I would like to see um a movie where like all of this is taken to like its, I don't know, like quote unquote, logical, like And we're like like what the thing that they were going to do kind of came to pass like like yeah there's like an honest attempt was made and not stopped one a would it be successful is it possible and to what does that look like and not again only want to see it in fiction not real life right but like
00:35:48
Speaker
That would be interesting. Well, I just want to say to go on a slight tangent walk here, I was thinking while watching this like, oh, this would be a great double feature with ah this. There's a short indie thriller kind of neo noir called Stand Off at Sparrow Creek with James Badge Dale. And that's from the perspective of one of these militias. ah He's like a former cop who left and then joined this militia. And I don't even know how much the the description of it gives away. So I want to guess even though it's the beginning say too much, but he has to use his cop experience. So it becomes kind of like a whodunit and of of they they lock down in the in their militia compound. They're like, OK, we're going to start questioning people, figure out which one of us did this thing. And it's very interesting, and especially how they reflect, you know, his character has literally been on both sides. And but they do talk about in the sense of like, yeah, your guys and goal is to
00:36:47
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murder a bunch of people, you know, like that's for this plan to work and what you want for this takeover. You're going to have to kill so many cops and innocent people. I mean, of course, there'll be like innocent people on the cross here that war just doesn't happen. That's just like what happens every time there's war. But like I It's just crazy to think about that someone can hold those ideas in their mind and like be thinking about that seriously. Like I want that. And you mean just like you're trying to grasp, like just a regular person, like you and me being able to like hold that and like aspire to be able to do that. and Not someone who's already in politics. Like you have that in the back of your mind while, yeah, like ordinary people. like boyy crowder
00:37:34
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Well, the thing I love about Boyd in Rayland Cosmon, I was like, you he just goes with whatever he can use. like He doesn't care about white supremacy. He just wants to make money. He's like, you just want to make money and blow shit up. But no, these guys are true believers in this movie and the order they...
00:37:50
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fully believe what they're preaching. And I had never heard of this book before, The Turner Diaries. And then the the the movie gives you some like chilling statistics about how influential it's actually been with extremists since I had assumed from the move, just context of moves, like, oh, this was written in like the 1800s or something. This is like, this is something older. It was written like 1978 or something like that.
00:38:14
Speaker
Like after the civil rights movement. Well, it would have to be probably like after the foundation of the KKK. Right. Oh, the KKK has been around for a while now. Yeah. By the 70s. They've been. But that makes sense. They would be post civil rights because there's this whole feeling of like he even says at one point, it's not our country anymore. Like that they've lost ground. that the You know, America's for the white man. They need to retake it. That's their God given right.
00:38:38
Speaker
You would almost expect it to be something that would be the foundation of the KKK or written around that time. Like one of their foundational texts. Yeah. But no, I mean, obviously it's taking- No, it's like the Book of Mormon. It's a late addition to racism. I mean, he kind of is just like the Mormon church offshoot of multiple Y, but because he does have his own, he's like, okay, I like this ideology, hate white supremacy, let's take it to its natural conclusion. He's like, I think we could go further with this.
00:39:14
Speaker
it it It is fucking wild. The movie does do a good job. I don't know if this is going to sound corny or cliche, but it does a good job of actually making the book or the idea of it kind of scary. like it's It's almost like the Necronomicon. This is like a cursed book.
00:39:30
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Yeah, text and like, yeah, the idea of a book has not felt like scary or like outside of a horror movie, I think. And they do kind of like build it up like everything they're talking about is in here. All of the shit it's it's mapped out. Yeah, it's happening. It's especially going when to happen when they show when they're looking through it. And the final chapters is I forget what they call it the day of the rope, where it's like, oh, you're just going to hang all your political enemies, execute people. And that's your takeover. And is it?
00:40:00
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Um, a kid's book, or is there a version they gave to kids? Was there something i think they read it to kids for indoctrination, but it's not, I don't, my understanding is it wasn't written to be a kid's written for adolescents because you know, that's the only type of brain that could. Yeah. It's just like a white supremacist Bible. and like Like the Bible will have stories that are supposed to have these ideas in them that you teach and indoctrinate the kids. Honestly, yeah, it is a religion. And they don't shy away that the church is like, partly like because that's the he came from this white supremacist church and that's one of the other scary, maybe one of the
00:40:42
Speaker
like most unsettled I've been in the movie theater this year when they start chanting in the church, when basically Holt stands up, interrupts interrupts the sermon, basically takes over, you know, like the whole church. Yeah. and and And everyone joins in on their, I mean, they do say white power, but before that, were they saying like, never give up, never surrender? They like Galaxy Quest a lot. Yeah.
00:41:04
Speaker
I don't remember what they him out they're like tim allen's really good in that movie no that is kind of terrible because it felt pretty believable i was like the I don't know not to get like political or close to like real life, but I was like this kind of like is reminiscent of like January 6th and what it kind of felt like watching that on the news because that came out of fucking nowhere for me like oh sure I like was at home sick from work that day and fucking yeah it just seeing that come on the news it just
00:41:39
Speaker
I just couldn't believe it was happy. yeah it was it was it it was It seemed absurd. like that It was like, what? What are they doing? And watching this in the theater, it felt reminiscent of that. And then seeing like the text at the end of the screen. People who did that were directly inspired by this book. Yeah, it was like that makes sense. And that was probably like an actual choice. One thing I really um enjoyed about ah the casting and kind of like this level of like, dread that we were talking about that like, um comes from more than just like the book is ah like, these characters like, it's gonna be hard to like do this on mic or like even describe it, but they have like, um,
00:42:25
Speaker
They show like a almost like a physical dominance when they walk. It's like this chip on my shoulder. like Well, especially the way Holt carries himself, yeah. and But but all I get what you're saying. like All of them, it's like... but it There's a kind of person where you see it. They're like They are projecting this fake confidence and like this fake toughness when it's like deep down. They're just like super Insecure and they're just people that will snap faster and like break Faster than anybody else, you know what I mean? Yeah, but then there's somebody where youre like, you know
00:43:10
Speaker
Look out for that guy you don't wanna like fuck with him cuz he he's a loose cannon you could say something and it'll set him off you know and this move just. Even Nicholas Holt like we talked about like him being terrifying I think like when you look deep into those like pretty eyes of his you can just see like.
00:43:30
Speaker
I don't know, at least maybe it was something I was like putting on this character, but like a deep insecurity behind all of this. Behind all this fake confidence. Before these two killer performances this year in Jura number two in this, like my benchmark for best Nicholas Holt was ah The menu great movie great satire, but he's like my favorite of this decade so far. He's extremely insecure in that like he he's like Insecurity persona for like if insecurity was given flesh form like that. I mean he it's such a Brilliant performance and he's like so sad and pathetic that it's like it's almost hard to watch parts of that movie Not just because like the I don't even feel bad about the murders happening or whatever happening in that movie It's the like
00:44:16
Speaker
There's like so much social awkwardness and in in it. But like, yeah, he's he does a really good job of that insecurity. I man, I fucking love him in the menu. I think even maybe I like his performance in the menu more. Maybe I do listeners. What what is it to you? But yeah, but maybe. This is his best performance I've seen so far.
00:44:43
Speaker
And that's saying like, I keep seeing performances from where I'm like, damn, I didn't know you had that in like, like, like your number two. I was like, I could fuck. Yeah, I did. i Not that I was like thinking he was going to be bad in it. It's just I almost didn't was like, oh, I didn't know your game, man. I didn't realize he balled this hard.
00:45:01
Speaker
And I mean, he's got Nosferatu coming up in a couple of weeks. So mom I mean, he could be better in that. I mean, yeah, he's got this fucking juror number two drops on HBO Max this month. Go listen to our episode once you watch that movie. And then he's got Nosferatu. The Beast miniseries is streaming on Disney Plus right now. We all watched it. We loved it.
00:45:26
Speaker
Wait, did I misspeak for a second? No, I was just bringing up other. I was making up Nicholas Holt stuff. I was like, that there was a beast X-Men miniseries. I like that like tweet. I was like, wait, did I say Disney Plus instead of HBO Max? Oh, it's also on Disney Plus. x Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. OK. Sorry. I ruined your joke. The listeners laughed at it. They got it. They understood. Yeah. Just got thrown through a loop. Yeah, but he's he's he's incredible in this. And it's it's it's an underhanded like like like yes, he's he's scary and unsubtle about like what he believes in his worldview. But that almost makes him scarier that he has this chip on his shoulder. And that's coming because this movie and in one of the many ways it reflects like
00:46:21
Speaker
political tensions of today is that this economic anxiety of all these people like having this hard time is directly tied to the white supremacy. ah it's it's part of white supremacy of like, why should these other races be coming in and getting my jobs jobs that were mine? Like, why are they kind of like, basically at my level, them bill almost be equivalent to these tantamount to, oh, they've taken the country, it's their country now. I no longer have a country of like, like terms like white, people who believe in this stuff say stuff like white genocide of like, they've been erased. It's like, guys, you're still the dominant power. You've never,
00:47:00
Speaker
white supremacy has been attacked the whole time in America. Don't worry guys, guys are doing all right. But like that, that's like what is fueling him and his ability to recruit people is speaking to that. Cause they're suffering that Spanish quote, quote, Spanish guy is saying like I, and I'm getting, I'm just quoting.
Depiction of White Supremacy
00:47:21
Speaker
the the terminology of what they're saying, then he's like, yeah, I lost my job with some spook, you know, it that, I mean, they say it in Back to the Future. I remember we looked up like old slurs when we were writing ah our gangster movie.
00:47:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean, it's not funny because racism, but like it's also funny that like, you guys, those slurs were not like, crazy I don't know. People talk like funny. They don't talk funny. There was someone I was going to say, keep going. where read said ah No, that he just is is able to recruit and be successful to like get to this point even is because all these other people are suffering having a hard time and he's giving them something like Hitler before him Germany's suffering post-war and he's like I can tell you whose fault it is that we're in this mess and like he gives them a place to point their hatred and frustration. You know I did kind of ah think that like
00:48:19
Speaker
what watching it was weird it again to make a long legs comparison I did get these vibes where I was like yeah me personally I mean you know I
00:48:33
Speaker
Doesn't appeal to me. White supremacy. no Oh, you read the pamphlet or like not for me? Not really my thing. But watching this, I was like, I can totally see like why they're falling so allwing for this. Yeah, it's the same thing as like how we were talking about Satanism in the long legs thing. Like people are just so isolated. i You have nothing. You're just trying to grasp onto anything. And it's like, yeah, so you're going to the fucking group of losers that you go to.
00:49:02
Speaker
They're like, no, it actually is a big conspiracy that we're gonna do it so bad. I would put Satanists above white supremacists. Satanists are cooler than white supremacists. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But not white supremacist Satanists. I'm not a fan of them. No, they might be the worst. I prefer black Satanists.
00:49:25
Speaker
Oh, man. controversial episode today. I mean, this is all in the movie or just talking about what's what's what's happening in it. ah But no, yeah, the movie doesn't shy away from ah those parallels, but it didn't feel, you know, this isn't don't look up. he I didn't feel like that they were like under underlining and like pointing to... like they and Well, they did have the text at the end, yes, but they're not...
00:49:53
Speaker
like they get that you can ah see the parallels like they're not going to be like a character's like huh I want the closest they come to that is when the pastor is telling Nicholas Holt to chill out because he's like in years we'll have people in government like we'll have judges we'll have senators on our side like we don't need to be doing this like open warfare shit like we can take over from within the inside but that didn't meet me didn't feel like on the nose writing like that like yes he would be saying that because they are they were already working towards that like that they would you know be like yeah we have plans to have our people within government like why wouldn't they yeah um and question you ever have you ever met a white supremacist like an actual like one like with tattoos and everything
00:50:41
Speaker
Yeah, or even someone that just claimed to be before. In California, there's actually like, you meet a lot of them, surprisingly. Really? And there are people I can't really identify. I was friends with someone who had been to prison before, and he was able to tell from like certain tattoos, like, yeah, that guy's a white supremacist, that guy's a white supremacist. Because they have codes and like, hide it, it's not always an outward swastika, like, isn't... They're like fucking 88, right? Cause eight is high Hitler. Eight is the H is the eighth letter. I am not too sure. Like, I think if you see someone with an 88 tattoo, maybe Nazi.
00:51:21
Speaker
ah that Like this one dude who was a white supremacist said something about like 2112 or something like that. I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I don't know. The couple of dudes I met in California who were like openly like some form of like, whether it's like a Nazi supremacist, Aryan brotherhood or whatever. So they all like consider themselves different things and they have issues with the other ones, I guess.
00:51:48
Speaker
which is so funny racism it's kind of like christian speaking with each other of like how some denominations don't like catholicism like you guys are doing the same shit like come on it's a group of idiots and i'm not just saying this to like just be the white guy who's like speaking out against him but like having met like a handful of them because yeah they're all out there and like at least like the orange county area okay in california but it's like Dude, yeah, there's some of like the dumbest, like tasteless, like just, uh, I won't spend more time going up. Uh, but yeah yeah they're actually smart. You're probably not going to come to those conclusions. They're portrayed smarter and more respectable in the movie. Like in terms of their competency. I was like, this casting is like too respectful. Like Nicholas Holt is like too pretty to be playing. they're almost a so He's got too much teeth in his mouth.
00:52:45
Speaker
I mean, to me, it's didn't even like that. Oh, they were smart that they were able to pull these things off. It's more just like they've planned this so much like that. They've been wanting to do this, thinking about it, planning it for so long that that's how they like the these heist that they're pulling. It's not that they're like good at this. They're not the crew from heat like they're kind of. And we do see in some of the height, there's like a little bit of a sloppy like sure they've trained. We see them bring someone into like train the militia and stuff, but like they're not They're not like experts at that. They're not DeNiro level ah bank robbers. Yeah, there was like the one point where the first bank robbery is happening and the cop pulls up and one of their guys is sitting in his car and the cop drives past him and I was like, that's such a dumb place to be parked. That cop's going to get you. Then he gets one over on the cop and I was like,
00:53:38
Speaker
ah how did the cop like there's a bank robbery and like the most obvious like person like I would think like oh that's a getaway driver like yeah why is this guy just waiting outside of the bank like he's getting ready to get away yeah this dude looks like white trash and he's sitting in a car by himself while a bank robbery is going on kind of suspicious he's just watching the robbery he's curious he's like I've never seen one of those that's crazy That is a very white trash thing, dude. Hey, look at Papa Jim. How? I never seen the robbery. Click it is. The slag jaw. Bad southern accent. Yeah, I can't do accents. I don't know. I'm usually a little bit better, I feel like. Or maybe it's listeners writing, how good am I at accents? Australian listeners, especially. I feel like I've done a few of those. It's in the French Hall Hall. Oh, you're you're South African, white South African
00:54:32
Speaker
ah That impressions pretty good. I don't think I have one of those. Do I? Oh, District 9 guy. District 9 guy. That's South Africa. Yeah. Okay. I thought you were setting me up for some... District 9 guy. Yeah. You're great monkey man, dude. Yeah. district District nine guy. That's his name. District nine guy. Is it like, Charlto Copley? No, that's a fake name. I'm not going to learn that. Yeah. No, I think that's South Africa too. Next you're going to tell me there's a North Africa. Was there a West awesome? Okay. Come on. Was there a South Pole too? Make sure you say there's a North Pole. Yeah. You're going to say Santa doesn't exist.
00:55:20
Speaker
Okay, let's not get carried away. yeah ah man I almost ruined Santa for a kid. Yeah, almost. Almost accidentally. No, not on the podcast in like life. life that's Yeah, I won't tell the story on Mike, but I accidentally almost said something when the kid was around. fool glad Glad that that. Yeah.
00:55:43
Speaker
I was like, no, I want to crush adult spirits, not kids. I want kids to have some hope. Well, that seems like it'd be harder to do now in an information age where kids have phones. You just Google, is Santa real? I know. And Google would be like, no. This might not be the movie to have this discussion on, but I have had that same thought where I was like, yeah.
00:56:05
Speaker
it kids would look it up like immediately or like, if you just like Google type in Santa, I'm sure the first page of Google has a spoiler. he They'll tell you how real he is spoilers for Santa.
00:56:20
Speaker
Yeah. Unless like Google tries to, to I don't know. i Like they're all the trying to further the thing. So they they give you results about like fake news stories about the North Pole and Santa. It's like this whole elaborate thing. It'd probably be easier to do now with AI and just come up with like a fake newspaper. If Trump wants to do anything good for America, he'll do that. He'll protect Santa for the kids.
00:56:45
Speaker
which we know is one of his top priorities. That feels like it would be, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah that's that's what that's what he's most concerned with. There's actually a pretty funny, I feel like underrated in terms of like viral of funny Trump-isms where it it was like some Christmas tradition the White House does, I guess, where like they talked to a kid. There was like a kid called in to talk about Santa and he was like, do you still believe in him? Oh, because it ate its marginal, huh?
00:57:17
Speaker
like um He just made us never talk to a child in his life. That's good. Fuck it. I do find it funny that pre-election, I don't think we ever really talked about Trump at all. Since the election, I think we've talked about him on every episode, except for our us episode, our election episode. Yeah, I don't know. maybe it's I just keep hanging out with De Niro. We were just like so depressed on that episode. Then the next, after that, we were just like, all right, we'll just talk Trump.
Political Satire
00:57:50
Speaker
We won't hold back. We'll talk Trump. We'll talk the Catholic Church. We'll take down the Vatican.
00:57:55
Speaker
We'll put anyone in our crosshairs. We don't give a fuck. Yeah. We'll take down all the conservative Christians one by one.
00:58:04
Speaker
ah Even you.
00:58:08
Speaker
Yeah, it doesn't work for an audio medium. No, they can hear me pointing. Um, fuck. Where's the point I was going? Oh, I, Oh, to what you said earlier, or what we both were saying that like, yeah, they get pretty, they keep getting away with these escalating heist and there's even the moment that like, they keep getting away. They keep having these roadblocks in terms of the investigation. I love the part where Thai share, where they're all waiting around for, like, I think it's just they need a warrant, basically, to go after. And he's like, you guys are the fucking FBI. Like, can't be- I did really like them. Also, I was like, calm down, dude. That's- both of the Ty Sheridan movies I like him in is like, I can make a letterbox list. Ty Sheridan needs to calm down. And it's this, and it's the card counter. It's like, dude, so... That's what Oscar Isaac is saying to him in that movie. He's like, bro, chill out.
00:59:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's too explosive. Bring it down a little bit. Break it down. You're making a scene. Yeah. No, I did get slightly annoyed with his FBI freak out because I'm like, you were too reserved before that freak out, man. You know, I was like.
00:59:17
Speaker
I don't know. He, so he's fully working for you. I liked him a lot more in this movie. I will give him that. I'm still on the fence a little bit, but he, he was working for me. He was working some magic in this one that he was in another movie. And I just liked the character, maybe I thought was interesting and there's like a lot. He didn't like that he died.
00:59:38
Speaker
Oh, I love that scene where he dies, in terms of how it's done. and like I was like, man, I don't know if that happened in real life, if this is a real person that was involved in it, but part of me was like, do we need to leave the mom without the dad, or the mom without the husband, the kid without the dad? I was like, I found it like so sad. I was like, do we need to do this narratively? It's extremely sad, but the thing that I really like about it is that,
01:00:06
Speaker
Yes, we've seen like this, regardless of how it went down, really, I'm just talking in terms of like tropes in these movies, but like, They do these variations on how these scenes play out, even if it's what happens in those movies that I'm like, I don't know if I've seen it played this way. Like when they're chasing him down that alley. and I'm about to agree with what you're saying. And the way you see see him still standing there after he's gotten shot, he's like trying to fire his empty weapon. And then you see him fall out of focus. he Basically,
01:00:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's such a great moment and then and then also what that does for you lost character He's like who like do I run yeah that I thought you were gonna keep going like yeah Jude law like his like do I run do I call for help and like yeah? No, no, he's helping. He's applying pressure Knowing damn well, like he can't that's a lot of blood he knows he can't save him but I feel like he like had for himself is like I need to like I be here with him in his final moment. That's almost what I thought of. Like he does not want he likes this guy. He does not want him to die alone. and then i I think there's that too. And part of me is like, is there like some kind of like a police thing where it's like, even if you know, there's no helping, you still do the things that you're supposed to do to help just because for like, whether it's professional, like you have to offer your own conscience. Like another cop dying is like the worst thing that can happen. Yeah, for that because it's like
01:01:31
Speaker
He's like shot in the stomach or chest or whatever. Like you doing like, you know, your little chest pushes on him. I forgot what they're called. But like performing like CPR isn't like going to help him. But it's like it almost feels like for himself. He's doing CPR for himself. It's for him. It's for Jula. But then also after he's finally actually dead,
01:01:53
Speaker
He puts the dirt on his hands.
Metaphorical Scene in 'The Order'
01:01:55
Speaker
I've like, I've, why is it like a washing blood off his hands thing? That's what I thought. He's covering it. He's like, I, cause I was like, the dirt's just going to like harden over the blood. It's not really going to get over, but I'm like, is it going to like just mate? Like you're not going to see it. It's you're not, it's not going to be so apparent. You have blood on your hands. Is it the only thing you can think of to do to like.
01:02:17
Speaker
wash it off. I've just never seen that before. I've never seen it either. I loved it. I was like, is that in the script? Is that a choice Jude Law did? Either way, that's a brilliant touch. That scene was well done. Again, even though the trope of it all, I was seeing like, did we need to do this? I did really love how it played out though.
01:02:42
Speaker
right because it's like and like you said the dirt won't actually do it's like he can't wash this blood off his hands like he he he's gonna always blame himself for this and the wife even that's why they like you know they they again they're not like not doing the trope you have the thing where the wife is like i don't like you coming around he's gonna be in danger and then he dies and then but then also then the follow-up to that has this like He can't even like say anything. They don't even say anything. I mean, the the scores kind of like drowned out any dialogue there would have been. But it's like a wordless. She knows what he's there to tell her. yeah her And he can't even like get any words out. Like, I feel like he's just like.
01:03:22
Speaker
Now, he's like, he's like, he's like, I don't even know what to say right now. Like, and then he just gets back in the car. It's like, I was like, oh, I really love the way they did this. Instead of having like the drawn out of like, we're like, no, and they hug and they're both. And then Batman's watching. Yeah. This is your fault. Yeah. I'm glad Batman wasn't there this time. He's just there too much.
01:03:47
Speaker
um Why is Batman not stopping white supremacists? Yeah, why isn't Batman stopping white supremacists? Well, ah because he's a rich white man. Probably benefits financially somehow from white supremacists existing. Damn, okay. Well, okay. Well, why is Superman letting it happen? He doesn't need money. Exactly. Superman but superman sucks.
01:04:11
Speaker
it's just Canonically, he sucks. Why? He's like almost Aquaman. He can see and hear everything that's happening in the world, but he decides to mostly stay in one town or city that his girlfriend lives in. Because... Why hasn't Jon Stewart stopped the KKK? He doesn't care about earthly racism, just space racism. Yeah. He's like, I don't live here. It's not my planet.
01:04:40
Speaker
Not my problem. You know who seems racist? Robin. Oh. Just leave it at that. All of them. We're not going to even say which one, you know? Like, guess. I think you know which one we're talking about. Yeah. yeah I know. I have a Robin. I have a specific Robin. I rank my Robin in terms of how racist they are. I know who's that one. I know. I know who's the most racist. I think we all know.
01:05:05
Speaker
um What's it called? There's there's a great Jude Law. I'm so glad you clocked the dirt moment, too. It's just so unique. I was like thinking about it the whole drive back home. I was like, have I've never seen that. I was trying to think of another example of something similar. It's like, I've never seen that. yeah And like you said, it feels primal and extinction. like He didn't have the thought, I need to get this blood off my hand. Let me do this. is He just did it.
01:05:28
Speaker
That's why it feels like an acting choice. Yeah. some That wasn't in the script. But everything I think is improv. Oh, like it always turns out. Like, no, this was highly scripted. Yeah, it was scripted and the director was adamant. I did it this exact way. Yeah. There was no room for improv. It was storyboarded. I'm like, it feels like improv. No, there was no improv allowed on set. Fucking idiot.
01:05:53
Speaker
Yeah. Where you think movies are real? There was a strike going on. An improv counted as writing, so there was no improv. That was rough. This could have been done during the strike. Well, no, the actors were on strike. But Jude Law has a moment um that I love earlier on with ah Tay. That's his name, ta Ty. Ty Sheridan? I'm a fan of the name. He should change it. Is he related to Taylor Sheridan? Maybe. You should know. I don't think he is.
01:06:20
Speaker
Ty Sheldon. um Young Sheldon. Taylor Sherralton. Taylor Swift. Charlton Heston. Oh, he'd be good in this. um So, like the preacher um they go up to the girl and he was like, just like let her know that you're there for her or something like that. Like the girl whose boyfriend had went missing. The one who, the opening that you missed is when they killed that boyfriend. Yeah.
01:06:44
Speaker
I think he's one of those in the dirt so um but so they got he like tells her like just like let her know that you're there for like make her feel like you're there for her something along those lines and then i was like they go in and immediately judah was like grilling her and i was like well he's not letting him be there for her but i was like i get what he's doing he's doing the good cop bad cop you know i didn't realize it was going to be as simple as good cop bad cop but at first i was like wait why did he tell him to be there for her if he's just going to go in and be an asshole right away so i don't know if i'm just like bad at picking up what's happening in movies but i think it's an intentional misdirection he like shakes her all up she runs off and then he goes in and he's there for her and he's like sorry i don't even like know that guy when he says that i was like
01:07:31
Speaker
Oh, that's good. I don't know. I don't know if you knew that was going to happen. I didn't know that was going to happen, but as it was happening and and he even says it afterwards, he's like, I get using that as a strategy, but he's up on her. Like he's, he's still felt for her, even though he so understood. what That's when I was like, shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about. He's a part of the FBI. Yeah. Pulling rank. Who the fuck are you? Yeah.
01:07:56
Speaker
Knicks are gonna go into their office and yell at them. The fuck are you in your small town? But is that maybe also foreshadowing where he doesn't know how to be there for a grieving family or anybody? Because like he can't comfort ti ah Ty Sheridan's widow at the end. he He has nothing for her and he just leaves. No, I don't think he ah would intend to like comfort her. I think he kind of knows in that moment, like, there's no I'm not the person, I shouldn't be here to deliver this. Like, she doesn't like me. Like, this is just like, it feels like wrong that he's the one going there. It's like rubbing it in her face almost. Yeah, it does. It feels almost mean, yeah kind of. or like
01:08:46
Speaker
Who's the worst person that could deliver this news to you? yeah The guy you hate, who do you told to leave and was gonna get her husband killed. Yeah, send him. Yeah, she said something like, I don't like the way you talk or something like that. She yeah has been like vocal to him that she's not a fan of his and he's the one who shows up. And honestly too, it's like, he didn't really try to like tell her like, hey, he's dead. Like,
01:09:12
Speaker
What if, you know, he started with a joke? Nice breaker. You know? Team building at Trust Fall. He should have done a Trust Fall, built some, like, you know, a team building retreat or something. Yeah, he should have been like, I bet you're wondering why your husband's here. He's usually here when I show up. He's not, though. Kind of weird, right? I got a funny story about that. Yeah. Anyway. It's about 2 p.m. today. We were going to get breakfast. I was sharing a story with him.
01:09:39
Speaker
It just tells us a long roundabout. The whole day. When he first saw him. Yeah, the first time I met him. Oh, I'll never forget that day. He really got a look out for me. He was yelling at the FBI earlier, too. He just flies off the handle. Real firecracker. Keep that one on a leash. Anyway, he's dead. ah I'll see you. Yeah, he took a fucking buckshot to the chest. It was he was the most dead I've ever seen. Yeah, we didn't catch the guy either. He's still at large.
01:10:08
Speaker
I don't even know if we will catch him, but he keeps getting away. So who knows? Yeah. I honestly thought not knowing the real case, I was like, is this going to end like on it's just like can't fuck. I was like, it's going to be really dark. Like Zodiac. Yeah, they never got him. It's like, oh, it was about obsession. But well, it kind of is about obsession because here's what I want to pivot to what the motel shootout He leaves his wallet intentionally, right? like He wants the feds to find him so he can die in like a blaze of glory. Yeah, that's why he's not going to come out. Also, would the FBI burn down the fucking building? I was like, this is insane. Yeah, I was like, this happened? Are they allowed to? i was My thought was like, they have to cover this up. like And did they? i like I don't really remember. I feel like we don't linger in here. They have to like rale have an excuse for why this like
01:11:05
Speaker
burnt down. It's like you can't light a building on fire in hopes that the suspect is going to get out if you're supposed to bring him in alive. Right. And I assume the reason to bring him in alive other than white people usually get taken alive, ah mass shooter. yeah But that's... That is good social commentary relevant to today.
01:11:28
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. But is it in terms of like their perspective and strategy, you would want to interrogate him and find if there's other cells, right? Because like, because if he just died and you're like, I don't know where his other piece. I let him autograph your book, you know. Bro, this book is great. Like, I know you didn't even write it, but I'm just like really ah digging what's in here. Yeah, people are really going to love just serial killers and fucked up like figures in history. So I think this will be worth some money.
01:11:59
Speaker
I mean, hey, another another movie about the air of true crime recession. No, but ah I think I think. Yeah, this is a way better real life movie than that Bob Dylan movie is going to be from what I'm hearing.
01:12:15
Speaker
and That trailer works for me it I was about to say I even though they're doing all the cliche walk hard things that have been parodied I've kind of I'm like, you know what? I'm feeling what they're wanting me to feel right. I'm gonna see it the day after I'm gonna see Nosferatu Christmas Eve and um I almost said a league of their own
Festive Plans with 'Nosferatu'
01:12:38
Speaker
a complete unknown That's what it's called. Yeah, I'm a complete unknown the next day if you want to tag along I'm gonna see I mean were at least Nosferatu I think we should make ah Christmas Eve Nosferatu is the priority for sure like together on Christmas Eve if you're able to Yeah, let's do it ah Yeah, but I also yeah after that would I do want to fight someone in the Nosferatu parking lot just you know To get all of our aggression out all of our angst
01:13:11
Speaker
for all the presents I didn't get. On Eve, Chris, I just know the presents I'm not getting, and I just have to take it out on someone. Yeah, I was more so just talking, because this I feel like this movie's gonna, I don't know, it reminds me of like Slipknot's second album, just very angsty. Yeah, oh, probably. It's gonna be brooding. There's gonna be some brooding. Mm-hmm. I think there will be a Nosferatu in there. That's what I'm hearing. Spoilers. Jesus, man. Spoilers.
01:13:35
Speaker
ah ah I want to watch the 70s Nosferatu so bad. I just don't know. I'm debating on like should I just make Eggers the first Nosferatu I see and just go in. Go backwards after that? we'll Like see what it's like. Is it more valuable to take this movie in?
01:13:55
Speaker
without any context of Nosferatu because I could watch it any time with having seen the original the moment I watch the original but I can never once I watch the original I never have a chance to watch this without any Nosferatu context I mean, there is, I could see the value in that purity, but I feel like that they can just exist as separate objects in my mind because like, like even the original Nosferatu is just, they didn't have the rights to Dracula. So it's like telling a pretty much the Dracula story with a couple of different things. And then by the Werner Herzog remake, he
01:14:34
Speaker
is like, oh no, this is now part of Nosferatu, that like all Nosferatu movies have this element to it, as opposed to like that's not really a thing in the Dracula story, so this is unique to Nosferatu. I feel like you could have an appreciation of, oh, okay, they these are different takes of this like you know different story.
01:14:52
Speaker
Now, would it be bad to watch the 74 one first, just because I'm super interested in that one? You can go whatever way you want. I know, it existed until last
Admiration for Werner Herzog
01:15:00
Speaker
month. I was like, what? I was looking at a, I bought a bunch of Herzog movies, actually. They all look fucking awesome.
01:15:08
Speaker
Yeah. I need to watch more, more of his stuff. I've not seen much of one of hers. Like, I mean, I love this chemistry with baby Yoda, but yeah, and la be the child Jack Reacher. Oh, he's a terrifying villain. He's a good actor. I think I what I've seen him acted. I'm like, oh, I've maybe you've seen him act more than direct.
01:15:29
Speaker
He has a scene where he's basically just like, hey, cut all your fingers off or I'm going to fucking kill you. Scary. And I was like, I don't know if I could cut my fingers off. That's a very difficult thing to ask somebody to do. I would just piss myself and pass out. I don't know. Yeah. It sounds like a good, but yeah. Make yourself pass out. He'll wait till you wake up. He's not going to do it while I'm sleeping. Yeah.
01:15:51
Speaker
That's the code. Torture is code. They can't. Jack Reacher is a good movie. I'm so surprised you haven't seen that one. It's like just basic Tom Cruise action. I think I may be scared by Christopher McQuarrie. I know. I know. Okay. Not even giving you a hard time. I'm surprised you haven't seen never stop reaching or whatever the second one. is I haven't seen that one. Keep reaching.
01:16:12
Speaker
My mom really wants to watch that one with me. I remember I put on Collateral one day and she came downstairs. This was like five years ago, maybe. um And she was like, ah you're watching the Jack Reacher sequel without me? I was like, no, mom, this is a different Tom Cruise movie. He's driving it. He's in a taxi. He looks very different. You can tell by his like gray hair hair that he never has in any other movie. Yeah.
01:16:38
Speaker
uh fucking love collateral yeah okay well trying to find my way back to the order uh what was the last thing you said about oh that we both agree that like yeah the because they linger on with him leaving the the the wallet i'm like well No, it's that stupid. like It's it's fully like you see him place it there and then he walks out. You know, it's like that he wants them to find that he wants them to find him. And and you can tell like that insecurity you're talking about when he's like typing his manifesto.
Insecurity of a Leader
01:17:12
Speaker
Clap, clap, clap. clap You hear the typewriter go and he hands it to one of the guys. It's almost like he's looking for the validation from from his guy. Like, this is good, right? Like, like.
01:17:22
Speaker
Bro, they're going to remember us for this. And if you're one of those guys, what are you thinking at that moment? If you read it, especially if his writing is like not good. And I don't even mean in terms of ideology, in terms of like I don't think he someone like that would be good at writing. You know, I didn't realize our leader was illiterate. Yeah. you Maybe you're starting to make some regrets of like, yeah.
01:17:44
Speaker
made a huge mistake. I don't know if I should have gone with him. It's like, hey, look at this. All it says is all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy over and over. I do. I did find it kind of funny because the guys were like, we got to get out of here, man. We got to get out of here. They got us surrounded. Then they're running through the field. Yeah. And just like I just think they were going to make it and surrounded it. Yeah.
01:18:11
Speaker
You guys suck. Yeah. It's so funny. They like immediately surrender. They're just like, yeah, fucking. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, are they going to get in like a shootout with the police? And it's like, no, they're going to put the guns down and just get arrested. And besides that being like a humor, I think that was a little bit of a splash of intentional humor. But then just the contrast of Nicholas Holt of like they don't want to die. You know, like those guys have surrendered. They're like, please take us alive. You know, like. And Nicholas Holt burned alive.
Fear of Burning Alive
01:18:42
Speaker
That's one of my, my list of least favorite ways I want to die. Burn alive is up there. Yeah. Maybe drown it, beats it, but I don't want either one. Just shoot yourself in the face and make them think you burned alive. Right. Who's going to tell? It's a burnt core. It's like all burned up. They're going to be like, well, we can tell the, yeah, I don't know.
01:19:03
Speaker
I don't know. They might be able to tell. They could probably say, I don't know. But yeah, I heard burning alive is like one of the most painful, if not the most, I think it's the most painful way to die. Cause they say once all your like nerve endings have burned off, you feel pain like 200 times more than you would have normally. And it's just and incredibly awful. And then you're like choking on the smoke and stuff and like any choking shit I'm not a fan of.
01:19:32
Speaker
Lovely. Well, at least he died that way. Yeah. And Jude Law runs into the fucking burning building is dead. Do you think Jude Law- He was in there too long and he was like too close. I don't think movies realize how hot fire is. It's extremely hot. Like he would not be okay after walking into that building. I don't think he cares though. Cause he's like, I'm already dying. I mean, like physically, like he would walk at like, he would be like, not able to see, not able to breathe. He would probably be like burning, probably have some kind of like heat, like stroke or something. It would be like not pretty. He might not make it out of that building. It's like, I fully, again, I didn't know the full, the real story. I was like, is he about to die with him? Are they like gonna both like burn? It's not worth it. Why would you?
01:20:22
Speaker
Don't light it on fire, then go get him. Well, he didn't start the fire. We didn't start the fire. ah But he I think my interpretation of that from a character's perspective of like he's so raw still. To me, it's almost like an inversion of like the cop who loses like their partner or someone in the field, their doubly.
01:20:42
Speaker
uh, motivated to like kill the guy. Cause they're like, I gotta avenge my, my fallen comrade brother in arms. But for him, it's like, I will not let this guy fucker be a martyr. No, you're coming with me. We're getting, I'm getting you out of here alive. Like I don't, I don't want you fucking dying for your fucking. Caught like, cause he should have ran in before they started the
Raid Gone Wrong
01:21:02
Speaker
fire. Then if he was going to go to that length.
01:21:04
Speaker
I just don't think anyone was expecting, like they just start, they don't even show them planning to like set up for the fight where they're like, okay, here's how we're going to flush them out. They just start doing it. Yeah. They're like, he's not coming out or whatever. Yeah. I'm like blanking on it. Did they, they searched the house, right?
01:21:25
Speaker
He was just holed up in there. They knew he was in there. And they were like, okay, we're flushing him out. And then Jude Law's like, no, he's not coming out. I think because Jude Law was like, no, he wants to die here. We're doing what he wants. And they, no, they did storm the house and he fucking lit it up and killed two of them. Oh, he killed, because he's just shooting two of them. Yeah, I saw the one dude get shot in the stairwell and he just dropped. That was a pretty disturbing kill for me. I was like, damn.
01:21:52
Speaker
It was disturbing. Just getting killed at your fucking job. I guess that's what you signed up for, but it's like, damn, that dude was just at work. He's the only one that died too in that whole stairwell. It's like, that sucks to be that guy. And then like you go to your family. It's like your husband died. Oh my God. How many people died in this tragedy? Just your husband. When he threw up, that's not the trope of like, Oh, I killed someone. I got a vomit. But was he throwing up because of the tear gas? Yeah, I assumed so. Yeah.
01:22:17
Speaker
Which is interesting because he had the mask on, he knew to have that, but I was like, is that mask just so shitty? that He's getting, a lot of shit's still getting in there. yeah Like probably maybe either there's a a gap in the mask or those filters are dirty as fuck, never been changed or something. And he's, yeah, enough to get through and make him sick at least. yeah But yeah, man, then he burns alive and fucking dies. That was pretty wild. That whole like standoff and them being outside of the house. So it's crazy that that's actually how it played out. Cause if that, like, if this wasn't um like based on a true story, I would be like, it's kind of bad writing a little bit, you know, yeah a little messy, but yeah, it is. I think the fact that it's based on a true story kind of lends to the messiness.
01:23:06
Speaker
And I think there's just a- Are the messiness lends itself to that? I forget whatever way you phrase it. No, I got what you're saying. And I feel like there's just a pattern of specifically feds, or I forget what the agency that deals with cults, the ATF, of like rating militias or cults going wrong. like They went in, like yes, these they they went after people who needed to be stopped, but they were just like fucking stupid about it and didn't really have like a good plan.
Film's True Story Structure
01:23:35
Speaker
is kind of like what I, regardless of like, yeah, I kind of feel like it's so specific that it had to be what happened, but maybe I'm wrong. But then just from like- I feel like that had to have been what happened. Yeah. This movie seemed like it- Stick into the things pretty closely.
01:23:52
Speaker
Yeah, especially with how much they put in to like a two hour runtime. And that it is weird. It felt longer than two hours, which is something I'm wondering, like, is that economical storytelling? Because I was like, there's a lot that happens in this movie. We cover a lot of ground and we a little too long. So I don't know if I would call it economical storytelling, but two hours isn't that long for a movie like this. But I also don't feel like it was bad i was like the right runtime.
01:24:19
Speaker
Right? and No, I agree with that. I think it was just, there was, I don't even remember the exact moment because, um, the movie, I saw it like a week ago and a lot has happened in my life since then, but, uh, fucking, what's it called? There was just a point like in the last like third of the movie where I was like,
01:24:41
Speaker
This could start ramping up a little bit, but it there this could start wrapping up a little bit But it's not it feels like it's got a lot more places it wants to go and it went oh No, then I checked the time. I remember I checked the time and I was like oh shit There's still a full hour left in this movie I was like yeah, and then that's when I started to feel the runtime a little bit, but it picked me back up ah as it was wrapping up like the last like 20 minutes maybe, 30 minutes. um But ah not to say I didn't enjoy what followed after that last half, but ah again, it was just there was something that felt a little long about it.
01:25:18
Speaker
I think structurally it's not like most movies like this would be, like like a high smoothie or a federal investigation true story kind of true crime thing ah would be. i think i And i and i I'm always assuming that those rhythms are like, and then besides them, these events did happen in this way that they're like pacing and doling out the the stuff in this like kind of like Yeah, it's like to call if I'm saying that word right way that they elliptical elliptical. That's I know words. is and I thought that was one of those things you run on. You can run on the word. It's like megalopolis. Yeah, exactly. It's exactly like megalopolis. Nice.
01:26:12
Speaker
But no, I think it it almost seems like like part of by design that it has this weird feeling of the structure of like this is not matching the flow of like how a movie like this would go. It just throws you off. like it like i don't I never felt centered at any part of the movie, even though I'm picking up unfamiliar tropes and things that are in these kind of movies. i never felt like I'm like, oh, they keep throwing these little things or making these choices. it's like like like I don't really have a a hold on like where this is even going. Yeah. um You think this will never mind. I'm not going to ask. I was going to ask if you think this will be in your top 10, but I don't want to know about your top 10 yet. I kind of want to be. I want to be surprised for a top 10 episode, but ah star ranking. What would you give this thing?
Eerie Storytelling
01:26:59
Speaker
I gave it four out of five. I was initially coming.
01:27:04
Speaker
My ranking was like going up in real time while I was watching. I was like, this is so solid, the kind of movie we used to have so many of. I was just like, four, four stars feels right. But then by the end, I was like, oh, no, four and a half. And then the longer I sat with it said, yes, I'm like, is this five stars? I'm glad I called it like after watching. What did I say? I was like, I feel like it might be your favorite movie. You said like it seems like they made this movie for you or something. Yeah. And it kind of did feel like that. And just of like, yeah, all these like the the tone of it, because there's so many different ways that you could tell this story. And they chose like the most eerie, kind of spooky way to do it. And I'm usually pro doing things the more haunted spooky way. ah And and just that makes it stand out and stick with me, besides just the subject matter and what happens in it. is it like you told it They told it in such a... interesting way that I'm like, damn, this is like this is a cut above. like what what what like just This could have just been like a stock standard thriller, but like I feel like there's there's more this isn't just meat and potatoes. You gotta
01:28:16
Speaker
just like layers to this meal. yeah And I feel like I didn't even barely touch on, we we kind of referenced heat earlier. They run into each other yeah and have that little scene. I think we mentioned that was in our spoiler free section maybe. Where we talk about, but we didn't get specific and say that they met or who we were talking about.
01:28:37
Speaker
i always think that's a bad move not from like a script perspective but whenever the bad guy shows up there i'm like don't show your face man why are you doing this it's like have you seen heat is that why you're doing this but this took place before heat came out so this guy hadn't seen heat
01:28:59
Speaker
i Do you think he was just overconfident? you know like That he like was like, I don't even have to worry. like No, I think he wasn't intending on getting caught stalking him. No, that yeah, because you and he was watching him long. And then he kind of leaned into it after he got caught.
01:29:15
Speaker
He's like, Oh fuck, I'm still here. So I gotta like, like okay I can handle, I can get out of this. Jude Law didn't make the connection until way later though, until they actually see you the picture of him. And he's like, i fuck I met him. I did like that. Jude Law was like, there's something about this. He's like, are you following me? And he knew there was something up, but he didn't like a seem like, he didn't Oh, this is the ringleader of all of this shit.
01:29:39
Speaker
Because why would you assume that a random guy you came into was like the guy of this like big case that you're working, you're not gonna like, yeah, he i do I do like that too. that And the movie, some would say this is on the nose writing, but I believe his character would say this when he's talking to the wife and they're trying to convince convince her to give him up of like,
01:30:04
Speaker
He's kind of talking about himself but talking about Nicholas Hold at the same time about how he can't really care about them or the family because he's like fully invested in this cause or whatever. yeah And then even the the other agent and the car right is like calling out that you were talking about yourself like that this is but like that's the whole like the parallels of like OK, it's not exactly like in, you know, Michael Mann describes he does a movie with two protagonists. There is a clear antagonist in this. Like the white supremacists are bad. It's not like saying, like, I don't know, moral ambiguity. No, it's more just like they're two sides of the same thing, kind of like that. They just like his. I mean, also argue the government's causes furthering white supremacy in another way, but like that that that that they they're not that different.
Faith-Based Films
01:30:53
Speaker
not so different, you and I. Yeah. Man, where are those your final thoughts? You got any final thoughts or? I want to fucking see this movie again. Also, it'll probably be on streaming soon. Do you know who distributed it? I didn't. Oh, no, you showed up after the production company logos popped up, right? No, I saw some of the trailers and I just waited too long to go to the bathroom. And that's when I like miss like a like a minute or something. But like,
01:31:23
Speaker
Some of those seem to be like a, like a faith-based movie that there's an ad for beforehand. So I'm like, Oh, is this accurate Levi faith-based one? No, but it looks like something he could be in. I saw an ad for that before. Unlike Thanksgiving night, I wanted to see a movie. Harold and Purple Cray. Yeah, Harold and Purple Cray. I should have just seen Wicked again, but I wanted to see this like Christmas movie, like the best Christmas pageant ever. That should have went straight to a fucking streaming. It was like, oh my God. I was so just bored out of my mind. I was like, this is a movie.
01:31:59
Speaker
And I like people that were in the cast. I don't mean to dunk on this, you know, innocent Christmas movie, but I was just like, this is a movie that's meant for me to like dick around on my phone while watching or something. Right. I don't need to be locked in on the big screen. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I actually didn't stay for the full thing because I was like, I'm going to fall asleep during this movie. But what's it called? I forgot what I was saying. What point I was making.
01:32:31
Speaker
about who distributed this, I don't know. The thing I was beating around the book, like I don't know if there's like- I was talking about the fucking Zachary Levi. Faith-based movies. good Because I don't know if that's representative of like, because there was another, us unless this other movie also had like Christian Backers, there was just like a low budget horror movie that I had never heard of that looked pretty like, it was like a period piece. What was it called, do you remember? Fuck. Nosferatu.
01:33:00
Speaker
It looked like it was like the witch era kind of like colonial nose for to. ah Damn, what the fuck was it called? It's like this coastal village and there's like spooky shit happening. I don't know. I'll have to look at. I don't I don't remember. It like it looked interesting, though. um But yeah, that's all I say. I have no clue who distributed this, but I just feel like his movie like obviously Justin Kurzel is not like making the the largest movies ever but he like makes stuff that people see so it's interesting that this is like and so under the radar.
Under-the-Radar Release
01:33:41
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I think people, hopefully this will have some kind of good word of mouth and people will start talking about it, especially once it hits streaming or VOD. I think there's just a craving for this kind of movie too. that like because We used to have like just thrillers, like maybe not like all of them were on this level, but we just get used to get more movies like this.
01:34:02
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and So this is like a straight up indie, basically. The biggest company involved is AGC Studios. ah They did Late Night with the Devil, Hitman, Woman of the Hour, Watcher, Moonfall. Everything else is like chasing epic pictures. This is the only movie they've done. And then Riff Raff Entertainment. They did this and they did Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow.
01:34:28
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um Yeah, so I have no idea what streaming service this would end up on. Go buy it or rent it. I would get it for someone for Christmas and then ask to borrow it from them. Yeah, I would own this. I want to i could see this just like sliding into my rotation of just like.
01:34:51
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Not comfort watches because there's a lot of disturbing stuff. Oh, I didn't talk about the other scariest scene scene real quick before we we we close out. There's, yeah, the church when the the, you know, Nicholas Holt basically takes over the sermon. But then the other part where I was just physically the most, the most tenses is I've been this year in a movie is when he's teaching the kid to shoot.
01:35:14
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and Yeah, this this kid is like that. I felt so uncomfortable. I felt not as uncomfortable as the kid with the gun and blind spotting. Yeah. But it was like almost that level of like it was like an automatic weapon. Get this kid away. ah The recoil is going to cause the gun to like pop him in the eye or something. I was like.
01:35:36
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Nothing about this is good or like makes me feel comfortable at all. And you see the wife watching. She is not comfortable either. Yeah. I'm like, this kid is going to like shoot himself. Shoot someone else here. What is the reasoning for this? This kid doesn't need to know how to do this. I think it's the same. He's terrible at aiming. He's not going to stop anybody with this gun. He hits the ball eventually. Eventually, yeah. But not that criminal, you know, that's coming after him that he's supposed to be stopping with that thing.
01:36:07
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I think it's honestly the same reason. I think that's the justification they would have for wanting to teach him how to shoot at
Indoctrination Themes
01:36:14
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that young of an age. To me, I think it's more in cities, not just defense. I think it's there's a war coming and we need everyone. We will use child soldiers because that's why we're reading this book to you at night. Like we want you to believe this. We're indoctrinating you. We're preparing you to go to war. This is a war. We're going to take back our country and the kids are part of it, too.
01:36:36
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And it's gonna pay off when AI takes over. And those kids are like, I'm glad my racist dad taught me how to shoot. Shoot these robots. Robots are kind of like cans. Pretty much. Yeah. That was like one of the earliest technology we had. Well, no, he's bad at shooting cans, so he's not gonna be good at shooting the robots. Fuck. Damn. Yeah, but that that scene stressed me out. I was like i was like physically tensed up. Yeah.
01:37:03
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That's it it. This movie just gets out. There's like moments like that. There's just like are going to stick with me or even just the image of him in front of the burning house at the end was like really haunting like do it. And there is a sense of especially we get that text at the end. I mean, yeah, he has been stopped there in that time when this happened. But then the text of like the other people who were inspired by the same book, you're like,
01:37:32
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He kind of was successful then, you know, you're saying like people are still doing, even if they're not explicitly doing it in his name or they're invoking like, ah, ruin the feds burn them alive. That's why we're taking the capital. But it's like the ideas have lived on. Yeah. So they kind of and people have continued to do things at this level.
01:37:55
Speaker
or try to keep doing things that it's the spark of that was not snuffed out. It's like, if anything, almost this one guy from reaching the goal. Yeah, who got really I mean, because he had amassed after that one heist, how much did they say he had. It was like millions. It was a lot of money they got from that like that armored truck, ah like the last heist they get before they like start getting towards like the final like shootout and stuff in there like Drew lost, like, yeah, he can buy an army with that. Like, yeah, he should have just taken that money and left the country, went to a very white country. Oh, ah wait, not the Bahamas. Shit, there's too many not white people there. They're like the UK, France, very, I don't know. What's the whitest place? America. but already Got Got him.
01:38:52
Speaker
America been roasted. Yeah, just get out of the country like the dude who shot that CEO. Just fucking flee the country. Get out of here. What if he's still in New York just hanging around and like fuck with them? you You saw that they found the bag and it had Monopoly money.
01:39:11
Speaker
I saw a picture. No, Jesus book bag he left in Central Park, which I've already seen the joke is like because they lost him as soon as he went. There's no cameras in Central Park. And they're like, oh, he lost his wanted level as soon as he went into the into the park. And ah he left a bag full of Monopoly money. He's just fucking with them. Yeah.
01:39:30
Speaker
they They were like, I haven't watched the footage, but people talking about it were like, yeah, this is like a professional that you're watching do that. But what's it called? um Fuck, I keep forgetting what I was going to say. God damn it. Oh, that like after having all that money, the logical thing, quote unquote logicals, like I can go anywhere. I can do anything with this money. But no, you want to but start your white supremacy war with it. Like why? Stupid. White supremacy is stupid. That's my stance. Yeah. It's pretty fucking ridiculous. Well, luckily that's all going to go away. Uh, yeah, we solved that. Yeah. We had an election that got rid of white supremacy forever. That's what they were voting
Speculation on CEO's Shooter
01:40:23
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on. Yeah.
01:40:25
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Damn it. I forgot what I was going to say. It was something related to that CEO guy and that assassination that happened.
01:40:35
Speaker
Um, I don't know how much money you think that guy is a white supremacist that shot the CEO. You think he's Michael Fassbender from the killer. I think he's a person who maybe- I was watching that, I was like, what if he missed and then the killer just played out? See, my take from the footage isn't that he's a professional, was a hired killer, it's that he prepared the fuck out of it. He played- People were like, it was not a crime of passion.
01:41:02
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I think it was a crime of passion. He lost a loved one who was denied insurance. the the The the words written on the bullet casings are where I mean, that could just be like to throw the cops off. But I think this was someone who lost someone to the fucking evil health insurance companies. And kind of like John Kramer did in Saw Six decided to do something about it. is like I'm going to pull a John Q. Yeah.
01:41:26
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um I think this was personal. Yeah, I haven't seen it. A lot of people were like saying they think it was like a professional like killing. I mean, he could have had like military training. How like efficient he was at it and just how he just like disappeared immediately and has been completely off the grid. What if he like took off a fake mustache and everyone was like, Oh my God, where did he go? Honestly, I feel like if you dedicate yourself enough to a thing and just like rehearse and plan the fuck out of it,
01:41:57
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Like, especially since the whole purpose of guns is to make killing people easy. Like you could. Yeah, ah that's not I don't know that that that it doesn't scream professional to me like professionals like it would be questioned if that was an accident or not. Like he would have died in some mysterious circumstance. You're like, oh, someone put something in his drink or something like that's what like a paid Maybe I'm just going off like pop culture in the game Hitman, but like, it's like, isn't that the a professional would do instead of just like walking up dressed like Robert Panton when he's in like hobo mode in the Batman? Well then, this year the movie Hitman told me that Hitman don't exist. Yeah, they did say that. So it's like, ah nothing makes sense anymore in the world of Hitman anymore. You know?
01:42:51
Speaker
and I had UnitedHealth actually. That insurance company does fucking suck. All health insurance companies suck. like Why is it profitable? Blue Cross Blue Shield like covered something for me. Like if I needed to see a doctor, UnitedHealth had to go to the hospital.
Health Insurance Grievances
01:43:08
Speaker
It was like, this one's in my network. I just got slammed with a fucking thousand dollar bill just for being at the house. And I'm like, I never had that with Blue Cross Blue Shield. I was like, you know, but then.
01:43:20
Speaker
i mean Regardless of who's covering what though I just it's like evil that people make millions off of that like why no it is I'm just like Comparatively Blue Cross ah Well, this isn't I'm not saying this more so is like you're sad when the Blue Cross see I'm not saying yeah I'm not saying this is like a pro Blue Cross thing, but it's more is like, man, UnitedHealth was never fucking there for me when I needed them to be there. It was crazy how they were just taking my money and it never helped with anything. Like I've like got medical shit that I'm like still paying off from when I had UnitedHealth.
01:44:04
Speaker
Medical debt. Why is that a thing that exists? Anyway crazy normal? No, it's normal um normal world. It's all normal. Yeah It's good. I actually like that's how it perfect. Yeah Anyway, I don't know that CEO stuff I'm gonna look more into that Kind of interesting.
Potential for Violence
01:44:25
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It's interesting. All right. I don't know. Yeah, I
01:44:32
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Just thinking about it. Yeah, it looks like you were about to say something where you didn't. No, I was like, I already missed the opportunity to say this. and i could have I was going to quote a movie. it it I was like, now it's going to be weird out of context if I say it. Because when I was talking about that, like, yeah, you can anyone can achieve that level of violence if they practice enough, I was going to then quote Godfather too, just because my dad always has those movies on.
01:44:58
Speaker
like Al Pacino at one point says, like, if history has taught us anything, say you can kill anyone. That's all I got to say about that. But that is not an endorsement of killing. five I'm quoting the movie. It's a good line. Michael Corleone.
01:45:18
Speaker
little problematic. I spotted that on this rewatch of, we got father movies. I was like, you know what? The mafia. Watching it with 20, 24 eyes. I was like, I don't think this is good, what they're doing. Yeah. In retrospect. All the murder. Very bad. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Oh, I love it. I should have done that. I should have followed the law. Yeah. Follow the law, the judicial system.
01:45:48
Speaker
And the Jude Law digital system. Jesus. His name is Law. Law Jude. Fuck. A little on the nose. no was he On the nose casting. Was he hoping to get cast in like a Judge Dredd movie so he changed his name? Is that his real name? Jude Law. Yeah. That's why the holiday used to be called the Ha Law Day.
01:46:17
Speaker
Anyway, don't forget to just get into our plugs. Yeah. I just feel like it's been a while since we did one of those. It works now though. Yeah. No, it does work. Yeah. I'll take the loss on that one. And then a real, a low note Mary by humbug. We're going to be reviewing Craven. You fucking animals enjoy a more Russell Crow talk.
01:46:46
Speaker
Yeah. I don't even know because I haven't really seen the trailer. I don't even know what his accent is going to sound like. It's going to be a crikey. Hopefully, I know he's playing Craven's dad. I hope it's a completely different accent. Like, as he's like hitting someone with a phone. That's what he's going to sound like. Shots fired. Blah, blah.
01:47:12
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Anyway, yeah, we'll be reviewing Craven. Russell Crowe's reprising his role of Mr. Jekyll and Dr. Hyde or whatever. Finally. We've waited so long for the follow-up on that. Yeah.
01:47:26
Speaker
Overdue your spider-man will be in this one. He wasn't in Venom 3 spoilers for that. I saw that Doug didn't Because Doug's not a real fan. He doesn't like Marvel movies um I don't like the he doesn't like good Marvel movies and then uh, Madam Webb there wasn't there was a kind of there was a Peter Parker he was born in that movie That was the closest there's been to a spider-man in one of these movies so maybe Craven Like madam and web they were inching closer venom they like ran in the opposite direction maybe craven is gonna sprint towards a spider-man Instead of building up to since Craven's most famous stories when he quote-unquote kills spider-man and hunts him
01:48:14
Speaker
Instead of doing the origin story, we're building up to when he goes after Spider-Man. The movie begins with him killing Spider-Man, and then we get all cream. His origin happens after he kills Spider-Man.
01:48:29
Speaker
yeah That's how not in these movies Spider-Man is. He's like in New York, you shoot Spider-Man with just a regular gun, not even like hunting weapon. He just shoots him with like ah a fucking machine gun. He's like, got him. Then he goes to the jungle.
01:48:47
Speaker
it is this craven review is gonna be weird if they do somehow tie in all these movies because we've both seen the first venom i didn't see morbius you did i think yeah i did i didn't see venom 2 you did we both saw madam web i saw venom 3 you didn't And now we're both about to see Craven you don't you don't you don't feel that potentially tomorrow. You don't feel like how strongly they're building up this narrative. Like this is just like the infinity saga, basically in terms of like how they've been like layering.
01:49:18
Speaker
these stories, like it's going to fit all together perfectly. And height you're like, they they had a plan. This was mapped out. Guys, when you're hearing this and this episode is released, we'll be seeing it all unfold because I think this will come out. I'm probably going to put this episode out right. and Like if we end up seeing Craven tomorrow, I'm probably going to put this out like right before or after we go. Yeah, hell yeah. What if it ends up being like just not that the mystery movie?
01:49:49
Speaker
I would walk out. We'll see. I wonder if it was Nosferatu. I would still walk out just because I said I wouldn't. Like, no, I plan to see it Christmas Eve. No, I'm watching it now. Yeah, this wasn't part of the plan, you know? It's all part of the plan. I know. I was just thinking that Joker quote just because I heard someone quote the Dark Knight today.
01:50:11
Speaker
When everything goes part of the plan, you know, you see a gang banger dies, or someone dies at war, and it's all part of the plan, but... Once somebody shoots a one mare, and everybody loses their mind! That was a good impression. I've watched that before. That was Joaquin Phoenix? Yeah. No, it was Cesar Romero. Oh, nice. Good. That was Jack Nicholson. I love the Lakers.
01:50:38
Speaker
I am Jack Nichols. Yeah, something about Rhubarb. He's listening about Rhubarb, right? I don't know. Somebody don't touch another man's Rhubarb. What did he bring to the game that got him kicked out of being able to go to basketball? Did he have like spaghetti?
01:50:54
Speaker
Man, I thought lasagna, but maybe it was spaghetti. That would be some shit if you showed up with a full lasagna dish. Why would you bring that to the game? All the lasagna. Who's gonna eat it all? He be will. Who's gonna clean all this up? LeBron. LeBron's a laker. He has to stay after every game. Is he still a laker?
01:51:21
Speaker
Who can who tell? I can tell you. Who's that green for a little bit? He's on the team that went against Don Cheadle in Space Jam. I forgot the name of the Bugs Bunny's team. The Bulls. The Chicago Bulls. Yes. I think. Because you said Space Jam. Welcome to the gym.
Space Jam and Pop Culture
01:51:42
Speaker
Everybody get up. It's time to slam now. and Got a real jam going now. Welcome to the space jam. It's all right. no No dance at the space jam. All right. I fucked up the lyric. God, people are going to be so mad. They're going to rate us one star now.
01:52:02
Speaker
It was weird they did that Neil drop at the end when Jude Law's like looking at the deer and it just starts playing. of like This is like the rest of the mood of the movie is kind of like haunted and quiet, but like or I don't know, it was interesting. Yeah. and If you want a jam, then welcome to the site. I always mix up those like, I'm so bad at space jam. That's why I wasn't- Bad ass space jam. You've done a space jam. I've attempted a space jam, but I'm bad at it.
01:52:32
Speaker
volatin That's why the Monstars are in power right now. That's why they still own the Looney Tunes. By Monstar, I'm talking about David Zasloff, if you know what I mean! Yes, that's fired at Zasloff. Hire us to write a movie. Yeah, I'll do the...
01:52:50
Speaker
I don't know, what universe do you need movies for? The Tom Cruise cinematic universe you're about to build out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me a man. Yeah. Because I was going to say guns. Wow, thanks for leaving me. I brought it up and now I'm not even a part of it. I'm in the middle of a meeting, Nick. Wow, you just fucking kicked me right off this cloud.
01:53:11
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but Well, this has been This Guy's Got Juice, i yeah featuring Doug Davenport.
Comedic Alternate Reality Ending
01:53:20
Speaker
Doug's got juice. the Only Doug has juice. You checked the socials have all changed. You like lost out of the accounts. Oh, I got my own Instagram and letterbox.
01:53:36
Speaker
It all just says Doug. Dougie Minaj is. How did he kick me out of this? That's so crazy. Your face is somehow photoshopped all over my pictures. Of like your family photo, like memories from like, you're like a baby and it's like a picture of me over it, but it's grown man, my face over a baby photo. Yeah, that Funko Pop is somehow you instead of me now. Like, I don't know how he achieved this level of infiltration, but it's impressive.
01:54:06
Speaker
I think it was AI. Well, does... I don't know. I don't know anything about the sale of AI, fuck it. I was about to say, Seamourner Brothers, that that's who you're hiring. Someone that supports AI, but that's probably why they would pick someone. I was gonna say, I should lie and say I'm pro at it, and then they'll they'll want me. yeah Like, no, don't actually, don't hire any artists or writers. We can just feed it into an app.
01:54:31
Speaker
Yeah, well, you can find Doug working for Warner Brothers and hosting this podcast. And where can we find you on the streets or? ah yeah you live live here now so Yeah, you can find me in front of a coin star somewhere.
01:54:51
Speaker
and A bit of food for less, maybe a White Castle.
01:54:58
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ah Pretty affordable, you know? Yeah.
01:55:03
Speaker
So that's what you got the plug on. Handel at White Castle, cash my coins, a fan in the White Castle parking lot at Coinstar. Are those your only plugs? You could go for a sell. I'm going to just be depressed over here. I'll make grunts and noises. Okay.
01:55:26
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Uh, you can follow, uh, my Twitter at Doug or not underscore to, uh, uh, my show Twitter, uh,
01:55:39
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01:56:00
Speaker
I'm somehow removed from the crowded follows. It's just silent. From the episodes too. You voiced over. It's just me doing your lines in the other episodes. It's just me talking to myself. That's good. I have great chemistry with myself too, by the way. That would be a lot of commitment. That's like a full hour you'd have to dub over. Guys, that's what you're getting over at the Patreon.
01:56:30
Speaker
but Yeah, yeah, no answer subscribe. Did subscribe. There was some stuff that I meant to upload earlier that's going to begin dumped up there. ah You know, I was watching some ah noir movies from November, but whatever. It's noir sember, so I can still post it this month and also.
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01:57:54
Speaker
we're loyal to our fans and we want to like interact with you guys and like do watch stuff with like I uh this is not just a patreon thing but we have a there there's like a if you sign up and you remember you'll you'll get uh a password for like a channel within the uh guy's got juice server but the whole so the server overall is public anyone can join i've only done like one watch party it was For MGM show, no one watches from. i For the finale, one of one of my ah Twitter friends, Zazzo, joined me for it. And he had only seen the first season. Zazzo. Zazzlo. Fuck. You're already working for Warner Brothers. It happened so fast. We haven't even put the episode out and they heard you. God. Yeah. I'm just already out of a job. but We should also wrap. I have a meeting with him and Tom soon. so
01:58:48
Speaker
and we're going to make fun of you. We're not talking about movie projects. which is Like Nick's kind of weird, right? Yeah. Oh God, my nightmare is coming to life. You got it.
01:59:06
Speaker
Is that all of them? Yeah. Uh, you can follow us on Instagram, follow Doug on Instagram. These guys got juice pod. Um, no, I'm kidding. I'll still be around. You can, uh, yeah, you can, uh, um, follow me on letterbox at Nicholas sewers and, uh, go to my YouTube, uh, at Nicholas sewers as well. I'm saying my name too much. I need to like.
01:59:30
Speaker
Wow, you just really love hearing your name. Yeah, that's why I'm kicked off the pod. like All he does is talk about himself in movies. I've just been trying to get away from ego. That's why I'm working with people like Tom humble people like tom Cruise. Very humble. Down to earth. Yeah. He like, he basically lives in the earth. He doesn't even have a house. Really? does Under the radar, doesn't seek any attention.
01:59:53
Speaker
um you have so People don't even know when he shows up to places, they're like, oh, Tom's here. I didn't even like i don't even know. He just like was in and out. He's like sneaky like that. Hell yeah. But ah yeah, subscribe to my YouTube page. I've posted a couple songs on there, I think three so far. I'm just gonna, songs that I've just got sitting around, I'm gonna just start and creating artwork for them and just start dumping them on YouTube. am I might post some of them to streaming if I think they're good enough. but ah Yeah, go check those out. Give them a like, give me my page to subscribe, and yeah. I'm Nick Ewers. I'm Nick Ewers, and I'm Doug Davenport, and I'm this guy gosh. I like that.
02:00:45
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That was a shot of Nick being executed. I'm dead.