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Heretic
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are reviewing Heretic, directed by Scott Beck and Bryan Woods! (Sorry the episode is later than usual, but you'll be getting some extra reviews this week)
Is Hugh Grant the ultimate reply guy? Should the guys have reviewed Monopoly instead? Does this dialogue heavy horror film have any juice? Listen and find out!
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Transcript
Introduction and Music
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I'm Doug Davenport. I'm Nick Ears. And we're These Guys Got Juice. And we saw Heretic. If I could make a
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Speaker
no sleep, no light, no sound. No books to read. Making love.
00:00:55
Speaker
I wish I was Spanish. Okay, I butchered it, so I get up. You're so Oh yeah, yeah, you keep going. What's this completely unrelated song you're singing? um This is an original, actually. Oh,
Gaming During the Pandemic
00:01:10
Speaker
you just wrote that? Yeah, it it's called Creep. Oh, okay, that sounds really good. Yeah. i'm sure You should like write that down.
00:01:17
Speaker
Yeah, I was just so inspired by this movie. I was like, I just wrote that song right walking out of the theater. Just it was like it was in my subconscious almost. Yeah. Yeah. Like it was like you didn't even realize the inspiration was there. Yeah, it was crazy. It just came from nowhere. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, anyway, after that unrelated interlude, that has nothing to do with anything. Yeah, we both sang, I think, completely original music. ah Yeah, sure. Yeah, mine was I wrote that. Yeah.
00:01:48
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Anyway, we're about to play, we're about to review Monopoly. We're gonna play a game of Monopoly for you guys to do a commentary on that. That'd be like, that'd be so funny to do on an audio only format is like,
00:02:00
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Like we're going to play board games and narrate us, us play it. yeah Like, okay. So I rolled a four and now ah going to jail but yeah I not have any get out of jail free cards. So that's my turn. Hey, do you have any like fives? Can I like it? You know, if I give you a couple of tens, can you give me some fives?
00:02:20
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Uh, I'm actually, oh, I just declare bankruptcy. Are you going to monopoly? Uh, sometimes I used to get during, uh, COVID or curbopoly from the Simpsons. Yeah. Me and my friends, uh,
00:02:38
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that we we got really into the video game versions of like monopoly and risk over COVID because all of our game sessions were just remoter online and then those games, the game versions of those are always like on sale. So we like, okay, yeah, we'll just play this. ah I guess we were playing like the ps4 version or whatever of of monopoly and they would get pretty ah high stakes because we would turn on, there's all these different options for the game. And we turned on auction auctions for every property. So instead of like a set price of like, oh, the these like light blue ones only cost like a hundred or whatever. It's like, yeah, that's the starting or that's the normal price of it. But you can like jack the price way up. Like if you know someone really wants that property, you're like, okay, I'm $2,000.
00:03:28
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that's
Movie Trailers and Marketing
00:03:29
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good i that's a good idea i should get on some type of like online monopoly game or something i did that i think i think there's a long version i i played the phone it's pretty different it's okay yeah it's people who played it know what i mean um But I played like Uno Flip on the Switch and that was so fun. Just playing that online. So I should get on to some kind of Monopoly. um So anyway, that's not the original. Oh, wait, I don't want to spoil a heretic. Yeah, we we'll talk about it and talk about Monopoly. We can't talk about Monopoly. We can't talk about Taco Bell. Yeah, we can't go and into detail by any franchise in the spoiler free section.
00:04:10
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I mean, what came because like all the trailers I saw for this were so cryptic. It was just like two girls come to Hugh Grant's house. And I was like, OK, typical Hugh Grant situation. He has two young girls over. That makes sense. It kind of looks like an Oompa Loompa in this one, too. ah Fucking I thought I don't like a certain section of the trailer. Have you seen the trailer?
00:04:35
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The most recent one, I think, oh, actually I went back and watched the other ones afterwards, maybe. Yeah. There's like a clip in the trailer that almost like it doesn't sell the movie, right. And that kind of irritates me sometimes with like a 24 horror marketing.
Analyzing 'Heretic'
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They'll like do shit in the trailers where I'm like, I have a feeling this isn't the movie that they're marketing. And although I feel like based on the kind of movie that it actually is, would it be Like, how would you market this honestly without giving too much away? Because I will say this in the spoiler free section. I feel like a lot of my audience, at least, you know, I i just went around the corner to to Chicago Heights. But like, I don't think my audience went in ready for like a really dialogue heavy movie yeah where there was going to be like lots of mo like, I could kind of feel them losing their patience. Me, I leaned forward. I was like, oh, this is we're doing this. Fucking monologue.
00:05:32
Speaker
I yeah so well, I guess I'll get into like initial ah like my initial thoughts since we're kind of like tiptoeing there. I like I really like Hugh Grant's performance. I actually I love the whole fucking cast in this movie. They're really good because I think it's under we'll talk specifics and spoilers. But like I've seen people be like, well, Hugh Grant is like blowing the girls out of the water. And I'm like, well, he's dominating the conversation initially because that's like what's happening to these characters. But like They're actually the girls are really good. Like their performances, especially one in particular who kind of you don't expect to to be as important is like, oh, she's like actually like running this now. And the the writing for those girls, too, is just as strong as it is for Hugh Grant. Hugh Grant is like got the really like showy dialogue. But these two girls, man, like from the very beginning, I was like, I fucking
00:06:30
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Love these two. I was bought in pretty much every character we see on screen. I mean, there's really three. I mean, there's a couple extras. like not, not huge parts of people who come by, but like, it's really just these three people. Yeah. There's like one other character that we like see a little bit of. And even like that small dose, I was like, I kind of, I love to see it and I love to see this person, you know? Um, but, uh, what's it called? I really enjoyed the writing all around too. I, I'll get more into it in spoilers, but I,
00:07:05
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kind of mixed a little bit like at a certain point of like where the story goes yeah I'm a little mixed on that like the story Well I felt like it meandered a little bit too long for me and then my final like feeling walking out I was like it had a a lot to say in a very smart way but like for me personally I wasn't feeling like it didn't add much to the conversation for me but like
00:07:38
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that aside I want to give this movie like a lot of fucking like respecting credit I hate how the trailer was like it almost makes this movie look like it's like escape room and that didn't like sour it for me but I feel like this movie is gonna like maybe not do too well I actually haven't looked into any with think It opening wise, it actually did fairly high for like an eight 24 horror in terms of how much it made, but the audience score. I mean, we all love cinema score and it's the only place we really look at to know how to feel about movies. But if I think it got like a C plus or something, which is like for cinema score, if you get anything lower than like an A minus, it seems like people hated it.
00:08:23
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Yeah, that's, I kind of would expect something like that. But I like, man, I loved so much of this movie. I i was like so on board and it just um didn't really land um too strongly for me. But like, God damn it is like the writing and the acting and everything's so good.
00:08:47
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I know like you've got like a pretty high rating so I'm really excited to like hear what got you like really pumped on this movie because this isn't this is one I can be swayed on I think too I'm not like I don't feel like mad about this movie or anything. you know And I think, like, honestly, I rated it 4.5, but on rewatches, I think this will definitely benefit from me. I could I could I could conceivably be up to like five stars from from from rewatching it because this almost plays similarly to I mean, it's not one for one, but like in terms like how the structure of the movie keeps like revealing things or changing gears every
00:09:30
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like half hour or so, it's almost a little barbarian-esque that also features a basement. That's not a spoiler, there's a basement in Heretic, I don't know, it's in the trailer. Yeah, there's possibly two basements, according to the trailer. I don't know where the doors go. Yeah, exactly.
00:09:48
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ah but But in terms of like how it doles out in for me, because you're so in the dark like the characters of like, where is this going? What is happening? And I just love being on that journey. And for me, I found the answers to be very compelling and sad because I like we'll we'll talk about in sport, like specific thematically what the movie's touching on. I feel like it's more like bringing some things up, whether than like having like 100% firm stance on like, this is what you should walk away from it with, but it just wants you to like think about certain ideas, I think, instead of like concretely like saying like, well, this is how it is. Yeah. And the movie has given me a lot to think about. I
00:10:33
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I don't know why there's so without getting into spoilers there is like a like shift the movie takes I guess and I don't know why exactly it didn't work for me but this is a movie with like a lot of good and memorable moments you know what I'm trying to do here I want to like get my opinion out there but I like I was talking with a co-worker and she was like you don't like it so I probably won't see I'm like no go see this thing regardless of like How I like walked away like this movie like to a certain extent extent for me like it fucking rules, you know I like really enjoyed the first chunk of this movie like a lot and I think I could maybe Get on board with with the second chunk um It just it yeah, it didn't land where I was ah
00:11:26
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It didn't land in a way that that I like felt like too satisfying for me. like it The movie is about things I feel like you and I have talked about, like just in our personal life. Well, and on other reviews, because I don't think this is a spoiler, but this is like within the sub-genre of religious horror. so like We've had a bit of that this year. the front ah just On this podcast, we've covered Front Room, Asriel,
00:11:50
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ah we didn't cover first omen but that and immaculate also long legs has satanic imagery and stuff but i always forget to put it in that some because for me that's more about like familial trauma and like like the secrets our parents keep and i'm like oh yeah satan is also in it I don't know if it's just because of the poster I have for long legs on my letterbox. It looks like so satanic, but like for me, long legs, I'm like, that's the Satan movie, Satan panic or whatever. Oh, it's definitely about those things. But I like kinda that movie. I look at them like that movie is so metal, you know, that's what long legs is for me. I'm like, that movie is like Slayer kind of, you know, I know that's like cookie cutter metal I'm going for, but you know.
00:12:40
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That's Slayer. No, that's ah T-Rex. Yeah. favorite ah yeah a and What's it called? Slayer should have done cover. What's the lead actress's name? Do you know? what she We would call her the lead, right?
00:13:03
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Uh, well, I guess we'll, we'll talk about who is the actual lead of this. And I feel like that's a spoiler, but like, um, there's, there's two main girls in it. One of them kind of looks like Anya Taylor joy. Uh,
00:13:17
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but They could play sisters, I feel like. so Sophie Thatcher, I mostly know her from, ah she's in Yellow Jacket. She's in she's like probably one of the, and that show has like a really good cast like ensemble, like because it's like two different, it's taking place in the 90s and present day, so she's like in the 90s, teen part of the like the show, but she's like probably like one of the best, quote unquote, teen actors. I mean, she's intertwined. I think she's an adult. Well, oh, no, go on. No, I was just saying she was really she was really good in this. But then the other girl, Chloe East, I don't really know her from anything, but like now she's like on my radar fully. Oh, she was in. Who is she in the Fableman's? Was she the one? I almost rewatch the Fableman's last night. That's why Monica, the religious girl that he wanted to
00:14:10
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take out or that he did take out? Who's Monica? I might rewatch that this week. So I'll try to let you know. I watched dual instead. I went in the opposite direction. um Have you seen dual?
00:14:24
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Oh, yeah, movies metal. It's so good. It's like relentlessly entertaining. And I'm like, it that was it was a TV movie. That was probably the best TV movie ever made, I think. So good. but TV movies used to kind of fuck like they used to because like Carpenter, I don't know if you've seen it. It's not as good as dual. But like, what's the Carpenter TV movie I saw? ah Somebody's watching you or somebody's watching me is is is like On the level of like a competent thriller that you could conceivably see in ah in a theater, i'm like they used to just make TV movies of this like quality. of like no yeah this almost This doesn't look cheap. like It doesn't feel like, oh, we just have like a TV budget. There's like car chases and shit. like Well, it's one long car chase, basically. And I mean, duel like blows the Stephen King adaptations out of the water. Those like made for TV. Oh, yeah. pick ones I was like watching that and I was like, man, this ah this should be in theaters. OK, I do. She was the religious girlfriend in fatal minutes. For some reason I thought you were going to be like, she was in dual. She's an immortal vampire? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. yeah Okay. I'm going to rewatch the Fableman scene. so maybe Her performance will be even better now. yeah I'm going to do a Steven Spielberg sandwich, I guess, watch his movies in some weird order.
00:15:48
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Yeah, that would be good. You start at the beginning and go back to the end. Keep hopping. Second movie, second to last movie. I mean, I guess you'll have to just get ready to play everyone out of the way. I'm not going to rewatch that. Just rewatch the shining part. That part's kind of fun. Yeah, I'll just rewatch Dr. Sleep. Great movie.
00:16:07
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So i really wanna i must wanna talk about this movie in order kind of but we don't have to but i really wanna talk about the intro so do you wanna do your cell for the movie? and then ah yeah just just go see it like i think Some people will definitely not like with this movie, not even just like the ending, but in terms of like structurally and like how the movie is presented. Like I'm saying up front, just like let you like there. It this is a very dialogue heavy horror movie. Like if you're the kind of person who watches something like Mike Flanagan's Midnight Mass, you're like, oh, too many monologues. Those monologues are really well-written and performed. It's like maybe you might not like this. I don't know.
00:16:50
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I would have kind of been okay if the movie was just all dialogue. Those are my favorite parts is the dialogue. I think I would have been fine if it was just all dialogue in one room. I think I would have been like, give it best picture. I mean, it's like a play when it's doing that shit. It's really good.
00:17:09
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ah So like, I like, yeah, I'm telling you guys that up top, but like, yeah otherwise, if you that's not a deterrent and it shouldn't be because our audience are smart people who aren't afraid of dialogue. So ah you guys like to have a conversation. Yeah, we just got we want to have a and he has a conversation. I mean, he dominates it, but he's having a conversation. Someone referred to this movie as the ultimate reply guy movie. And I was like, that is kind of perfect, I think. He kind of is the embodiment of, I've heard people refer to this like type of person as like ah the Reddit atheist and like he kind of definitely has that energy of like, oh, please debate me. Yeah. Debate me in the marketplace of ideas. ah But yeah. ah
00:17:59
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i I really really vibed with this movie if you're into like religious horror just like movies that get not even just horror but movies that get at like big philosophical ideas and stuff like I i really vibed off of all that the performances are really good I was pretty engaged the whole time I think I know what parts you're talking about where it like kind of like stalled although in the movie it does feel like Like Hugh Grant is also stalling because he doesn't know what what what to do and during certain parts. But like, I was along for the ride and yeah, I'm i'm excited to just see this again.
00:18:35
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Yeah, and I do want to add, too, that this is one of those movies where um I'm not even walking out negative. I and don't know if I read it on letterbox yet because I've like have been really trying to pinpoint it. I think I'm at like three and a half stars on it. I think I can sit it comfortably there for now. But this is a movie that I feel good about. like There's enough good here that I think I could rewatch it, even if the parts that I don't love never work for me. I think I can continue to rewatch it because there's enough good in here that I can like get an experience and maybe like, I don't know, maybe there will still be enough to chew on like but with things that didn't work for me. Yeah, I think there's quite a bit to chew on. Yeah. Wanna happen to sports? Yeah, let's do it.
00:19:55
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we're back were back hold on let me flick with my ah clockwork ah light switch contraption make sure it's on the timer okay did they never like ah not that I need things explained but like They'd never like have a line about like, Oh, I have an engineering background or something, or like, there's nothing like that, right? He only just brings up that he was like studying theology, right? He's like, I studied all of carpentry as well. And, you know, I, I'm also like a bit of a home design, do it yourself, not like, oh Because like he didn't buy this house like this, right? He designed it to be- He said that um his wife ah fucking, what's it called, did all of it for him. But that's a lie, right? Because he lies was lying like from the start. Well, he's also brought up, like he questioned the Mormon women on like you know the idea of having multiple wives.
00:20:54
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And at a certain point, I was wondering like, cause I don't know if the women downstairs are the only women he's had, but I mean, they're getting up and they're like killing themselves for him. So I was like, is he having these women like do all this work around his house to helping him like build all this? Like, is he actually being serious when he's saying his wife now? Like are, does he consider these women his wives? I think he kind of does consider cause like, I think.
00:21:20
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One of the big things is like to show the hypocrisy of this guy of like that he thinks he finds himself superior to like all these like fucked up religious practices and stuff but like he's still I i mean just within the history of not even the main religions but the history of like cult leaders and stuff like I mean, he's got these women, like, ready to die and doing all this other stuff. I think he's fucking them, like, ah in addition to, like, starving and mutilating them, like... I thought about that. This movie, that it really reminded me of Barbarian. Because, like, the deeper you go into the reveals, it gets dark. It's like the implications are very dark.
00:22:01
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Yeah, I was wondering like who are these women? like Were they raised into it? because the moot ah Were any of them like raised into it? or yeah I don't know like what's going on. Or has he tried to have kids? Because they do bring up the idea of like people being raised into religion like at the very beginning of the movie. I think like they're talking about that like when they're talking about like the porn stuff. I don't remember like word for word like what they said, but I do think they like talk about like being born into like religion and that changing the way you think about things. Right. i mean That's definitely a big ah big part of like thematically
Philosophical Debate on Religion
00:22:37
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and his whole pitch like later on. but like
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I'm not sure how long he's been doing this. I mean, he seems to have quite a few women down there. So I'm like, were these all other missionaries from just like other religions and and specifically only women? Because I mean, I guess he needs them to look identical for like his little parlor trick. But like, but it it says something that he's only taking. with Like if if a a dude missionary comes, does he just like kill them? And like, yeah, well, I can't really use you for like what I need.
00:23:09
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I mean or like does he even attempt to make a pitch pitch if it's like a dude shows like if if He didn't already wasn't already in the middle of a thing and Topher Grace like came into his house. Would he be like, hey, anyway, I've been thinking about religion I got some crazy stuff I want to show you and talk to you about or is it just like well Come on in and I'll just like fucking kill you in my murder basement or something That's a good question. Honestly, I I don't have I Because statistically, most religions would be sent, they're pretty patriarchal. I feel like he would just send the the men off. He's like, send girls only. Send some girl chicks back here. He would like collect the pamphlet, be like, I am interested or whatever. Can you send your finest ladies or something? Like, why did you phrase it? Wait, don't worry about it. Yeah, it's like, why do you like word it all awkwardly?
00:24:03
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You know, I do like how immediately Sussie it like it does such a good job of like showing their point of view of like all the stuff that they're clocking. Like when she sees the blueberry smell candle, apparently there's been some theaters that had some kind of like.
00:24:19
Speaker
They made the theater smell like blueberry. Oh, really? That would have been really cool. I heard critics screenings at like Alamo draft houses. They gave people blueberry pie. That sounds so good. I love blueberry pie. That's I think my favorite of the fruit pies. My grandma used to buy blueberry pies ah for holidays when we were kids. I love a good. I could like smell it in the theater almost. So when she's eating that pie that candle, when she's biting ah eating that poison pie, you're like, that looks good. ah Yes, I was like I would eat it I think I mean if you're gonna go out ah certain way I mean what like a fucking Thick-ass needle to the jugular or a poison pie. I'm gonna go I mean of all the deaths we see in the movie
00:25:03
Speaker
Yeah, poison's probably the best one, right? Yeah. Box cutter to the neck. Is that what someone gets? Is that what the one girl gets? Is it a box cutter? Yeah, he has the box cutter and then Hugh Grant just gets stabbed in the gut. Oh, and then sliced in the head with the board. I will say I'm not buying that she's still alive because she like gets hit in the neck and he like slits her wrist, doesn't he?
00:25:26
Speaker
Yeah, when he's like taking the implant or the birth control thing, a good amount of time passes by then. I was like, I feel like she would be like, oh, yeah she should be, by all accounts. I think that's supposed to be a genuine. OK, not not that his thing worked, but just something outside of his control, something that she can't account for is birth control.
00:25:49
Speaker
take once you take that out women can do anything yeah uh no i think the the purpose of that is like that she does experience something that she can't explain away ah but also at the same time My takeaway from the ending and all that is like, yeah, she did see something quote unquote miraculous. Like her friend came back from the dead briefly to save her. But I don't think she's like coming out of that, like a more faithful Mormon. Like I think she's she's done with that. Maybe ah terms are her faith.
00:26:23
Speaker
I did wonder too like is that the last like cuz doesn't the old lady die and then she like moves a little bit and they're like oh my god and they say something about like the like don't they make like a comment about like your body moving when you die or something or like the last like grasps of life or something like that. And I was I forgot what it was. No, I know what you're talking about. We saw this movie like a little while ago. Yeah, I think he might have said something about like gas bubbles or some because like bodies do as they're bloating up, they kind of just like they can jerk around. I was like, is that a joke?
00:27:05
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Yeah, she had a gas bubble or whatever it is then. No, I know. Yeah, because that that was I'm not being serious, but that was a thought that I had. No, that that is that is funny, though, because like, yeah, take away. I think it's just an inexplicable thing. But then the final shot of the movie or final shots rather like she says that thing earlier about how she wants to be reincarnated as a butterfly. She sees this butterfly. And like for me, I for for a second, I was like,
00:27:35
Speaker
Oh, is this going to end on a note of like her faith being reaffirmed? But then the butterfly is gone. Like in like the almost like she's realizing it wasn't there. It was never there. So I'm thinking she, even though she did see something miraculous, like her friend rose from the dead, but she's not going back to the Mormon. church I don't think she's going to be like a super faithful Mormon and be like, I believe this now. I think, I think he kind of succeeded in like getting to her in terms of like making her doubt all this.
00:28:03
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Yeah, I actually didn't know what to make of the butterfly. I'm glad you brought it up because I didn't remember it up until this point, but I wanted to like talk about that um in our review. But now that you explained, I do. That is a good takeaway. I like that. I mean, I like that. Well, sometimes it can be done wrong. but i generally like sometimes good open-ended endings. And like, I've already seen just online different interpretations. I saw one person be like, the butterfly and the fact that she did get up and everything is like, no, it was a simulation. And like, that was actually like, even though he did pull that out of his ass in desperation, it was just like one of those things of like, he actually was accidentally right. And they were in a simulation, which is kind of funny. I don't think that's what happened. but that would be funny i was honestly kind of hoping that that would be it would take an extreme turn like that when he was like i'm gonna show you what the real religion is or whatever when it was just control i was like okay i feel like doug and i like have come up with this before like i was like you're not like
00:29:13
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That's what I mean like so it wasn't even because not everybody's gonna like have had these conversations that you and I have had like a personal life so it's gonna work for a lot of people but for me I was like I wish it was like something that like Wasn't a conversation I've had before like I wish it like showed me something new where I was like I Didn't think about that before and I can't fault the movie for that But but I almost to an extent think, you know, like I made the comparison that he's like a Reddit atheist. I think part of the point is like so many of his conclusions he's coming to, none of this is new stuff. Like people have, you know, he's basically just quoting religious or whatever the Bill Maher movie is on religion where he's like citing the difference between Christ and all these other like demigods who like rose from the dead and were born of virgin stuff. it's like
00:30:02
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you didn't discover this stuff like people have known about these similarities and stuff for a long time and then even the like real like oh it's only control it's like yeah bravo dude like yeah that's not that hard of a conclusion to come to like his whole self-righteousness that he Because he views himself as smarter and superior than everyone for coming to this conclusion. And that's like justifying that he can do all these horrible things to to people. I think that's like kind of intentional to show his hypocrisy of like, you didn't like discover something crazy. Like this is like people have come to this conclusion and then didn't like trap women in their basement about it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, so good point. So I have a question for you, though. Do you think he has a successful argument? Women in the basement aside, like dialogue only, do you think he has a successful argument? Do you think this could potentially move somebody who is actually religious watching this movie? I i was kind of thinking about them in a direction.
00:31:09
Speaker
I was thinking about that and I've heard I've seen people online say that like once he started saying this stuff about Christian, some people just like straight up believe the theater because they just don't want to, regardless of like if they're into a dialogue heavy movie, they're just like, I don't want to see something about that. When he brought up the monopoly boards, I was like, where is this going? what I knew about the landlord game from like I took like a history of board games class and in college.
00:31:33
Speaker
So, like, I already knew about the landlord game. And so once he got the board, I was like, oh, my God, he's going there. He's he's fucking doing it. you're Like, wait, did I write this movie? Kind of felt like religion. History of board games. Yes. So you'd hope for my life.
00:31:51
Speaker
Is he watching me? Is this Santa watching me? Right. We zoom out and there's like a little like Santa Claus. Hugh Grant is a little like Santa Claus when you think about it.
00:32:03
Speaker
I mean, this is a winter movie. I guess you could even say, I don't know what time you're specifically. It's a Christmas movie. It's christmas it Christmas. Yeah. It's Christmas every day. it's christmas every day oh Yeah. So sorry. What was what was the question? that Oh, could this persuade anyone? Yeah. Women in the basement aside, I don't think anything he's saying is wrong. I think other than, and this is the thing that brushes me up against ah like some atheist, even though like that's the point of view I will normally argue and agree with. I usually self-identify when people ask me what I am, unless I'm being cheeky, and like my dad told me once, like you're kind of like a spiritual free agent, just because I like have read some like Eastern philosophy stuff or something. I was like, okay, dad, sure. But like I'll just say I'm agnostic, because even though I do believe, i mean
00:32:56
Speaker
I for sure don't think there's like a heaven or like most of those things, but I also don't think like the Abrahamic monotheistic God exists or at least people's conception of it. But to say for certain that there's like no thing, I'm pretty sure there's not. But i to me,
00:33:14
Speaker
Having that level of certainty is almost a dogma onto itself of like if you want to truly be scientific about it, you need to be like a lot of things like evolution is a theory because that's the best explanation so far that we have. If there's a better explanation down the line,
00:33:32
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then that will become the new thing that we teach. like That's how science works. So like if you just settle on an answer and like, no, this is definitively like not budging from this, it's always going to never be real. i'm just When I say agnostic, that's kind of like me. It's not me being indecisive of a lot of people like, oh, if you're and an agnostic, it's like, come on, man, like fucking pick a side. But like no, it's more me saying, like You can't even know like I can't with 100 percent certain like you can't prove it one way or the other. So like how how could I just say that confidently that I'm like that that it's not. I don't think it is. But like I'm not going to say I'm an atheist. That what you said right there. You can't prove it one way or the other. That's kind of what I base like my beliefs that my quote unquote belief system off of like I
00:34:24
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I tell people, i'm like that there's so much in this like actual physical, like real world that we're living in that I don't know about you know like intellectually. There's so much that like our senses can't perceive, so much we're not seeing in this actual world. So it's like, why would I ever claim to have any knowledge of anything beyond what's in front of me right now if it's not actually being presented to me in a logical way that I can like Grasp interact with or something so I like present that but then I also Just kind of tell people like I take comfort in the fact that like I don't ah in not knowing What's out there like I like just it's
00:35:07
Speaker
You know, sometimes I'll find myself praying or whatever. Sometimes I'll like find myself reading into like religious text or something just because it interests me like theology and I don't believe there is like wisdom in a lot of different religious texts, you know.
00:35:27
Speaker
and but it's like and you know sometimes i do find like what i would call like forms of spirituality like i don't know like in everyday life there's sometimes i take in like a moment like it just i'll be like outside and like the window hit me in the right way and i'll be listening to music and i'll like Feel like inexplicably like great for no reason and I chalk that up to like that's a spiritual experience You know, it's just like an inexplicable feeling of greatness just from my state of being you know, and it's like yeah, but I Find comfort in acknowledging the fact that I don't have the answers. I don't know what's out there in the world then also like I don't know I
00:36:10
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found myself getting irritated by people that like wholeheartedly commit and like make it their whole personality. Yeah, no, exactly. Because like that's that and that's I'm right there with with you because like I'm I'm I'm annoyed or frustrated by the certainty and the righteousness from from any direction. Like if you have a belief system and you're using that to inform everything, and then you're also doing that to dictate what other people should do and believe, I'm like, no, that's you shouldn't be doing it. like
00:36:41
Speaker
separation of church and state should be an actual thing instead of something we just say. And then it's like, no, actually, all these religious people are just passing laws based on their beliefs. It's like, no, why should any law be like, decided that way? That's ridiculous. Yeah, it's so, so insane that we're even considering any form of religious text for like government decisions. It's crazy. There's no other debate against certain things like gay people or like abortion people like will cite the Bible. I'm like, what does that have to do with anything? Right? There are things in the Bible that aren't even a part of like human history. You know, right it's I don't even know. of myth it's mythology like I don't know why we were taking it using it to like pass laws and stuff it is great but that's what I think like Hugh Grant characters like the reverse of that but still showing that hypocrisy of like no I have found the truth and it's nothing but because of that I now have the right to subjugate you and like force my will on to you even even though like I said like
00:37:52
Speaker
You know, chaining the women up in all the manipulation aside, like he is right about like all the stuff he's saying about like all these different iterate. I mean, he does like the, the one sister correctly points out, he is omitting a lot of stuff. Like, you know, like that he skipped. So, you know, he's saying like, why is the Judaism only like.
00:38:11
Speaker
whatever percent and just like you didn't even mention the Holocaust like I think that killed a lot of Jews there and like yeah or how he doesn't even bring up and no one calls him on when he's talking about the different demigods born in the winter like I would say most Christian scholars are like Jesus was not born and he was probably born in like What do they say, like May or something? Sometime in the spring, I think is like the consensus of when they just make it December because of the other pagan holiday. Like that was paganism was the thing. And they're like, OK, people are already celebrating a thing this this time. So it's just like that's Jesus's birthday. Yeah, don't read too much into it. Yeah. no Like, oh, so you just decided that arbitrarily, which I love the early kind of conversation about polygamy of like so
00:38:58
Speaker
the the church, the Mormon church, and ah just decided that they could like, no, we're no longer down with that because it was unpopular.
Religion's Role in Society
00:39:07
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And like, they kind of try and backfill like, no, well, it was like, you know, revelation, you know, God told us that we didn't need it anymore. And I wrote down this line that he was like, if revelation by God is filtered through man, and man is flawed, and man sins, and man lies, then how do we know if any of it's true?
00:39:26
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You know, like, like that, that what, what his whole thing he's getting is like, this was just shit that people have been making up. Like, and then they can just change it willy nilly. Like that should be a pretty big like indicator of like.
00:39:40
Speaker
This isn't from God. but yeah Like, like, so God, for initially God should be perfect. Why is he like changing his mind? He's like, ha, my bad about the polygamy thing. I was, I was on some pills that day or something. mean It's the same thing in like the old Testament. Like after the flood, I think like God had something in the Bible where he was like, I'll never like do anything. like like at this level again. He sluts the entire world and kills everyone but Noah and the animals on his boat because he's just like, man, you guys are fucking around. I don't like that. He kills everyone. Yeah, and we have another second go. We have a second go at the incestuous birth of the world. Yeah. It's all coming from the same two things again. No wonder we're so dumb. It's just coming from one bloodline. We're all related, yeah.
00:40:32
Speaker
We're all, that's what it means. when it's like We're all brothers and sisters in Christ. it's like We all come from Noah. People say Adam and Eve, but it's really Noah who repopulated. He doesn't get the credit for repopulation. Give Noah back to the fans.
00:40:46
Speaker
Is that what Aronofsky's Noah is about? I was about to ask that. Like, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. Only Aronofsky I haven't seen. I just remember religious people getting kind of pissed off because my understanding is like, one, it's part like fantasy epic. Like, like Russell Crowe has to build this arc, but then all these like Vikings show up because they want to get on the the the arc and he has to like fight them off. And then there's like also mytholists.
00:41:13
Speaker
like This reminds me of like when veggie tails would put their spin on the Bible. They but but then also there's like ain't like angels that were cast out of heaven take the form of like giant rock monsters and they're helping Noah or some shit. I'm like, oh, are those kind of like nephilim? So I think so. like So they basically just made it Lord of the Rings. And to me, that sounds because I'm like, oh, you made it like high fantasy. That's kind of more intriguing than like just the normal biblical tale. And then like Christians were like, oh, I'll blasphemous. I'm like,
00:41:46
Speaker
I don't know, he made your boring story like a little spicier. Yeah, he did it better than Ridley Scott did when he delved into religion. I haven't seen that exist, but I'm like, there should be so much magic in that. It shouldn't like, don't be fucking like- Christian Bale talking to a kid. Yeah, there should be like- He's like, I'm God, and Christian Bale's like, and he's like, I'm God, and he's like,
00:42:13
Speaker
You know, it's a lot of that. Yeah. And just go back to the burning bush. Yeah. What's wrong with that? It's a good image too. Yeah. Or have the little kids smoking weed. And then zooms into it. It's like, a burn Oh, that's the burning boy. Yeah. We cracked it. Come on, Ridley. Come on, Ridley. Yeah, we cracked it.
00:42:34
Speaker
Uh, but, but back to, back to heretic, like, I think to your point of like, could what he's saying convince someone, I think despite that she's like seeing through his bullshit by the end, I think it did get to sister Paxton of like that to me, that's what the butterfly disappearing is, is like, she's no longer going to be a person of faith. Like, yeah, she did see some shit that she couldn't explain, but like, she's not going to be like,
00:42:59
Speaker
well i have to wear this magic underwear and like it's gonna say if i want to be on the nose they should have showed her like ripping off the magic like takes it off right there we style like she's like reaching under her pants you like and take her pants off but she goes like under the layer and then just like pulls it it's like how'd she get them off You're like, damn, that's impressive. guy Yeah. Anyway, I like the magic underwear was like the safe word or keyword because like they come up with like when they're I do like that she gets stabbed in the neck when she's about to say magic. She's like something, something magic. on ah
00:43:38
Speaker
Yeah. And I was like, man, you were about to get all high and money. He just knocked you down. a pen Which him doing that was that him clocking of like, I'm not going to be able to control you as easily and you're fucking with my thing. I think I should just kill you and focus on the other one. Like, is that was that his calculation that he could maybe see that maybe she was starting to plan. So like he was assuming she was the smarter one that was more of a threat. So he's like, I just need to kill her.
00:44:08
Speaker
Or, no, it was- He wanted to prove a miracle. Yeah, it was the miracle. Do you think he actually had a miracle planned for her? For when he kills Sister Barnes? When he stabs her in the neck and he was like, do you think he was always going to have a reason why she couldn't come back to life? Do you think he was just going to find something and the birth control was just the thing he found? I think Jackson was correct is like that he was scrambling. And that was not originally the plan was to kill her. I think it was really that the one of the the women in the basement when he does his fake miracle, she she went off script of like what she was supposed to say. And she said it's not real. And so he he knew that she said that because he's like can listen and like watch all of this. Can you pick up on everything this woman was saying in that moment? No, no. I didn't understand like most of it. I heard the end and I was like, okay, I got that. And then when she was like, about to quote her and then she kind of does, I was like, is that what she said?
00:45:16
Speaker
I just took her word on that that. That's what she said, because I was like, I couldn't really make heads or tails of it until the very end. I heard it's not real. But like the rest of the stuff, I guess it was just saying that there's nothing on the other side. It's darkness or something, and at least according to the sister that quotes. I'm like, I need to rewatch this with subtitles because I i yeah i was I was missing some of that. But I think the saying this is filmmakers.
00:45:44
Speaker
Just put subtitles in your movies. Be kind to your audience. you know if if you're If you know this is going to be a difficult thing, I wouldn't judge you for the subtitles. I don't think anyone would.
Cinematic Techniques and Character Development
00:45:56
Speaker
I mean, if they had subtitles in that part, would you walk out with negative feelings or would you be like, I appreciate no i he was thinking about me. I feel like movies do that regularly when, besides other languages, if a character says something that's kind of supposed to be unintelligible, like that you can't hear it, it'll be subtitled. and like Unless it's Bane. Yeah, well, Bane, you just got to deal with. Gotham's recording. Bane's words don't matter. It's the idea. it's the idea They're all one-liners anyway. yeah He's not like contributing to the plot when he's talking a whole lot.
00:46:38
Speaker
Yeah, he's just talking about the corrupt rich and, you know, everyone needs to rise up or whatever. He's like, oh, so my commandeered this football field. I don't think he says commandeered, but yeah, he says he says something like that. um But.
00:46:55
Speaker
Yeah, I would have been totally fine with with the subtitles. But I think that is the moment where his plan got thrown off. And so he's kind of killing the one sister is scrambling. And that's why he pulls that whole like so simulation theory shit out of his ass. But like you said, I was kind of like not knowing where this movie is going. I was like, let's hear him out. Yeah. Like, like, I don't know. Maybe this is movie is about this. Honestly, I was like, when he was like, I want to, I'll show you the true religion. I was hoping it was going to turn into the matrix and it was going to be like the architect or whatever, you know. I was like, that's more interesting. And it's going to be around a bunch of screens and they're going to be like, you've done this a bunch. chart Right. Like that would have been far more interesting than because like, like I'm half kidding, but I was kind of hoping I was like,
00:47:47
Speaker
If this movie goes here, like everybody would hate it except for me, but then and like I said, it kind of, yeah, but it kind of, I've been into it because the thing they went on where it went a little bit, the thing that would have been cliche about it is if you kept going down more, learning more answers and you're like, Oh, his one true religion is just the devil or some ancient pagan God. Like the the trailers almost seem to be like hinting at that kind of movie when they're like,
00:48:14
Speaker
What did you find or something? I was like, oh, so was he just worship some old pagan god or something? But I'm glad it wasn't any bad for that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:24
Speaker
right Right and he has all these older statues around his place and stuff so that sounds like almost thinking like that They were leaning towards that like oh he he found like like the oldest religion I was wondering that you know it's like did he find like the first Sith or something yeah yeah part of me was like is it just gonna be Satanism i right if he's like and the one religion is the devil And we already have our devil movie this year, so i'm i'm i'm glad I'm glad that it wasn't that. I'm glad it wasn't either. I kind of at a certain point, I was like, if it does the devil, I was like, this movie's gone too far into like God not existing. I feel like he's also disproving the devil with all of this. too If you're like, no, God's bullshit, the devil. Have you read this book? he's He's real as fuck. Yeah. um
00:49:18
Speaker
and And it almost felt like even after the full reveal of like what he was doing and like that it's all control and a lesson on that, it almost felt like they were still threatening something demonic because then she she kind of lingers on seeing that poster of Dante's Inferno. And I think the takeaway from that was just that like she couldn't figure out a way out and like the way the infernos built and I never read Dante, whatever. I think they're like a series of poems or something. Well, I had to read it in high school. I don't remember much about it. I think the idea is that like- First level's like burning babies or something. Yeah, but it gets like it gets cold at the like the lowest level. But I think also like like that diagram was showing that like If you go to the very bottom, you can't find a way out like climbing up won't get you out of hell. You have to go down to get out or something. So that's why she then she goes back to the basement. Like I think she was like, Oh, is my way out? I have to like find something down here.
00:50:13
Speaker
Yeah, and then no one ever acknowledges the other two um sets of poems or whatever, because then I don't remember the name, but there's like purgatory after that, and then Paradisio. Yeah. but no one Those aren't as cool, you know, Inferno.
00:50:29
Speaker
Just sounds cool. Yeah. Sounds fucking metal. That's the thing that I thought was annoying about the trailer. And I clocked it to when I first saw it, I was like, this is that A24 mis-marketing shit. They had that Dante's Inferno all over it. Very prominent. I was like, so this is Satan? They had fucking that shot in the movie that's like from hereditary that I never know how anyone does.
00:50:57
Speaker
But where it's like the little house and you kind of like zoom in, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah yeah. They had that like. And it like turned into the heretic or something like that, like, but they had that like girl walking around. I was like, this movie, it looks like they're marketing it like it's going to turn into a escape room. And I'm like, I already know that's not what it's going to be. Although I did like the actual shot in the movie above his little like play board where he's like tracking where they are. And then, but then you see the real her running through it, uh, overhead. My interpretation of that was just like, it was an artistic flourish kind of like in game night. I see the overhead. I liked it. I just thought it was like, so in the trailer, put it in the trailer. I like clocked. I was like, that's this a 24 fucking purposely miss marketing their horror to get more people into the theater.
00:51:49
Speaker
Yeah, no, 100 percent. I mean, maybe it worked because I think this didn't make a decent chunk of change. Oh, people have been talking about this movie leading up to it coming out. But yeah, that's why like my coworker, I didn't want to sway her from like going to see it because I was like, yeah, you might like really enjoy it. There's so much to like appreciate here. I do really want to talk about like the conversation that opens up the movie because I feel like I mean, it start this movie started at like such a high. because like i we're We're heard the two sisters are talking about ah big dicks and magnums. Yeah, and they're talking about like porn that they've like watched and stuff like that. It's so awkward. and i've years I've known people like these two in my life, and this was the perfect conversation, like introduction, because I'm like, I, you know, I've got like family, I've never like heard them talk about porn or had like a porn conversation, but I've like super religious, like cousins that I don't really talk to who I'm like, this is how they view the world. Like through this weird, like non-human lens, almost. and then I was in such a good way to introduce you to these characters because people like this exist so hard in this world. And how they're like avoiding being too vulgar in terms like they won't say fuck or like curse words like that. And then she's like describing a porno like someone knocked and you could see the shame. I'm like, these are probably like actors like and you know what I mean? Like, oh, my God. It's like. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a good intro and it shows kind of like this
00:53:23
Speaker
closed-minded, naive worldview. But to me, later in this one, I think the script is really good because then when we get the turn and Sister Paxton is really our main POV who we're following, I almost feel like that's seeding. And there's a couple other lines that attest to this too, of like, she, even though she's grown up in this, you know,
00:53:44
Speaker
very closed-minded environment that she kind of does have a but even if she's not aware of this of this is how her mind is working that she has like a curious mind of like I'm going to look at porn even though that's like a thing that like we don't do just because I like want to know ah about it that that like she she has like looked at things or read things that you would not expect someone who's like a Mormon missionary to to have like checked up on or something. I kind of feel like they've all done it in secret. you I feel like but they're just not having those conversations. like You have to like be a certain level of like friend with somebody almost to like open up with them about that, but that person's the only one who you have that conversation. like We saw
00:54:29
Speaker
a conversation that she's not having with anybody else. Like, it was very, like, private one-on-one. But it's interesting, because she wasn't even saying it in a shameful way. Like, did she was ashamed she had watched the porn? It was kind of, like, playful. Like, have you seen this porn thing? Yeah. And then, but, like, I think... The porn that kids are watching? Almost, like, proud of the conclusion that she reached about having a soul and stuff because of, like, she knew God was real from watching someone's shame in this porn. She has a moral high ground right by the end of it.
00:54:59
Speaker
You know, like like that. That's how she presents it and wraps it up. But like I yeah, I just I love i love that introduction. And I love as we go on because like, yeah, the other sister Barnes is is presented as the more logical one. Like she's kind of the one of the two who's like.
00:55:19
Speaker
deciding what their play should be of like when they're given the choice of the door she's like I think we need to just be honest because like you're you're picking the door that you think he wants to hear but I don't think we're getting out either way so we just need to go along with like the truth and She's doing a bad job of like, let's pick the disbelief door because he's convinced us. I'm like, you this is a very smart man that you're dealing with. You're not dealing with like someone who's like, yeah, maybe he's not like well mentally, but you're dealing with someone who's like pretty aware of what's happening. Yeah, yeah that that was that was dumb on her part to think that that would trick him. it was kind of like it was
00:56:00
Speaker
ah It's kind of delightful. I don't know why. It shows how even though they were in danger and were aware of it, that she was still kind of naive. but I do want to say that I love that they tried to leave out the front door. Yeah. Yeah. No, they they try everything that they should. And then even when they're trying when he's like trying to urge them towards the doors there the basement doors they're like can you please open the front like they're they're like really trying like even though they're like trying to still be as polite as possible they're like we would really ah appreciate like can you open the front for us honestly a move i i would have done because i don't know if he was ever going to get physically aggressive
00:56:42
Speaker
I would have just stayed in the living room like a bit like then I'm gonna just chill here overnight. It doesn't open until the morning. Let's just wait then. Yeah I would be like I don't want to go out this basement you know he's trying to put on this I'm reasonable I don't want to threaten you kind of thing so if he's still gonna keep that up throughout the whole process if you are really in control in the way he says that you are which I mean you're not Yeah, he's full of shit. Because he probably would have eventually, if they just went to the living room, sat down, they would have tried his patience, and he maybe would have then started to get violent. I don't know. Yeah, but if he doesn't get violent, then I think that's a plan that works, you know? You chill in the living room, you sleep on the couch, or whatever. Be like, if one of those monopoly boards is playing monopoly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it's just like you don't go in the basement, and the door unlocks, and it's like, OK, cool. I'm going to dip out now.
00:57:35
Speaker
and Then you'll be in trouble if the whole door timer thing was a lie and you're still locked. in but like ah do Do you ever go in that basement if you're at that house? No. Yeah. you're you're like You can take Hugh Grant. Yeah, I could. You could put him through a wall.
00:57:53
Speaker
you could you Honestly, We could probably break down the door reasonably. It's not like it's super reinforced. Yeah. You could put Hugh Grant through the door. I could shove him through the window that they were debating. I'm just thinking of all the ways you could hurt Hugh Grant. All the other things they could have tried. And I don't think they could have. No, no, no. We have more options because we're big, strong men. I also do like the reveal that like the window that is able to be broken out of an exit was in that living room, right? Like like that that was right there. If they had tried that, maybe they would have gone out. Yeah, but she was like, I can't fit through that, which I'm kind of right there too. um I wouldn't try to fit in something that I'm not sure I can get through. Because then you're stuck and then you're fought. I don't want to be stuck. That would be terrifying. Yeah.
00:58:43
Speaker
it's it's it's It's a bad scenario, but they're not i like like Gerald's game, my arms through that fucking window or something. Right. Yeah. I mean, so they are naive and not always doing the smartest things or letting him lead them where he wants them to go.
00:59:00
Speaker
but there's enough like smart or smartish decisions do you see them make. Yeah. And i I do like. I buy it until they go in the basement, honestly. That's the only time when I'm like, you guys are fucking up right now. I think part of them stay above ground level. It is dumb that they do that, but I do think part of them kind of wants to see what else he, I think it's kind of getting to them, his whole spiel, because like, dude, there's a lot of close ups on her, if you know, the one sister who makes it to the end is presented as like, the more like, ah you know, faithful of of of the two, even though she
00:59:44
Speaker
was watching a of a porno, but like the other one seemed like she has some doubts, like that she's not. There's like a lot of close ups on her of like when he's talking about faith and like how she came because they weren't they were like converts or something. She wasn't born into it, I think it was like after her dad died, her and her mom became or her mom became a convert or she was born into it, but her mom became a convert or something. But but she seemed like she was more skeptical in her mindset than the other one.
01:00:14
Speaker
ah She kind of struck me as like a certain kind of person, which I don't think this is necessarily bad, but a certain kind of person who's like, I'll hear your arguments, like, and we'll hear them. We'll consider them, but we'll just be like, this is what I believe because this helps me sleep at night. And it almost kind of, I kind of got that vibe where she was like, okay, yes, I get it. God doesn't exist, but this is my fucking thing. You know?
01:00:42
Speaker
I mean, and that's basically what the other sister, at the end, when Hugh Grant is bleeding out and he asks her to pray, she's like, there's studies on that prayer doesn't like, like at that point, I'm i'm curious of like, how faithful is she still? But like, I'm saying she she went into this whole scenario with that knowledge already of that statistic and that study about how prayer doesn't work.
01:01:07
Speaker
So that was the whole thing I was saying like that she's more open-minded than you would expect of her that that she's like yeah I know this that that doesn't work but like people do it anyway because it brings them comfort. Yeah. She's like self-aware that that like yeah it's not magic like I can't just like make but then she does pray in a miracle saves her so like yeah. I mean you do kind of have to like acknowledge the statistics and I mean If you're a religious person, especially if it is your life, your whole personality, you're probably being presented with like these arguments on a regular basis. you know If you come and up across like the strong enough like personality or like the more abrasive enough like atheist or something. Especially if you're being sent out into the world. I i saw something that was interesting about like because especially in the modern world, and they kind of comment on how you know
01:01:59
Speaker
People are becoming less religious. Their success rate for not just them, but any missionary has to be but pretty low, like that they're not like bringing a ton of converts this way. The idea almost seems to be more that by sending them out into the world,
01:02:16
Speaker
having them feel more alienated because of their weird beliefs. And maybe something like what happens of like when the girls prank them and pull down their their pants is like that, like they see the real world is scary, that that will send them more back to the faith. Like they're like, oh, you're right. The world out here is sinful and scary. I need to cling to my beliefs even harder. So it's more for the missionaries of like brainwashing them further more than it is bringing in new people to the church.
01:02:47
Speaker
I did want to say in regard to like the mission, that is pretty interesting though. I've never thought about it that way. Um, ah in regards to like the missionaries and their success rate, um, I've always kind of thought of it as like, it's, I mean, look at the rep that like Jehovah's Witnesses get, you know, by like people who aren't a part of the, like they're talked about like regularly, like, Oh, don't answer the door. Oh, get these like weirdos off yeah or fucking straight like some people are more aggressive. who come to the door. And it's like, so like, there is like a stigma. People aren't welcome to it. It's like, usually if people do come to religion, they're not, they're probably not in a position where they like own a home or something. They're like probably pretty down on their luck. Like a lot of people find like religion nowadays, like when they're getting like clean or, you know, when like the church helps people who are down on their luck in a lot of ways. So people come to religion in those ways, but um,
01:03:46
Speaker
It always, yeah, just felt like a completely like vain attempt, uh, going like door to door, trying. Like you think this works. Yeah. Yeah. It, it, I don't know. I mean, apparently the one sister did have some kind of, unless she was just fucking with the other one. She said she had a few already.
01:04:08
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But then is that her being naive to like, maybe some guy was like, yeah, sure, I'll come to a thing like he wasn't even like a full convert. And she's counting that like, well, I definitely converted this guy. Yeah, like I fucking nailed it. I mean, there was ah another thought I had in regard to fucking converting people.
01:04:30
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um I mean, he's trying to convert people to, he's saying that there's one true religion, it's control, but he's created another religion. Like he has another religion and he's trying, it's seeming like, yeah, he is starving and doing whatever else to these women, but the they also get this same presentation and pitch, like he is trying to sell them on it. Cause he's saying that theyre they willingly let him do this to them. So like, I think he's trying to get converts, you know? Yeah. Well, I remember what I was going to say now. I was actually going to compare it all to. um
01:05:09
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and Working at McDonald's taught me a lesson, kind of. there There was a thing that they wanted us to do all the time. It was called suggestive selling, where people would pull up to the speaker and you would say, hi, ah would you like to try our blah, blah, blah today? And it would always be whatever the new thing on the menu is.
01:05:28
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They kept pushing for suggestive selling and people like would get mad hearing that. Like I just want my nuggets. They would start off agitated the moment they heard like any kind of like, would you consider this thing? People are like, no, fuck you.
01:05:47
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you know it's like it's ridiculous and it's like people would like lose it over that and i'm like no people already know what they want people already know what they want usually going into most situations they're not looking to be swayed and if you even try to present them with anything different than what they already think it's just going to make them mad they can't even handle suggestive selling at mcdonald's so it's like I don't really find like, yeah, I don't really see any like believable success rate in like door to door. Um, like pushing religion on anybody. Cause that's like, yeah, that's worse than suggesting food to some, I dunno, but yeah, that was just a comparison. I wanted to make like, no, no, no. That's a good parallel because like so much of society goes to McDonald's. because they go to McDonald's. But just capitalism in general is built on the idea of trying to convince people to buy stuff they don't need. And it's a belief system. This movie is about religion, but I think it's just about how people process reality in general. When it started talking about simulation stuff, and I wasn't sure if they were real or not, I was like,
01:07:04
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Actually, this would fit thematically with what this whole movie's been doing because that's about like, okay, you think that this one thing is how our world is that we don't live in a simulation, but that's actually not the correct, you know, like there's actually more information that we don't know.
01:07:20
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And I do like that she's like immediately pushing back on that. She's like, well, that's not like provable. Like she says a ah few other things like push back on like, I just really like her development as a character is like she starts standing up for herself more, especially after her friend, after the other sister's dead.
01:07:37
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but then how she's even getting like a little more aggressive in her comebacks of like there's the the script is so good like how they have the parallel earlier of like when she when he says great power comes great responsibility and she's like spider man and then he's like no Voltaire she kind of like is deflated yeah but then later when when she's going into like the cellar below the basement she's like the only way out is through and I forget who he thinks she's quoting like Robert Frost or something. She's like, no swamp thing. Nice. Yeah. So I, I, yeah, I, I just think that's a really well realized character and like, I'm invested in her. She likes comics. That's my takeaway. Marvel and DC.
01:08:27
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Yeah, you gotta read both or or you'll be in trouble. If you don't, you'll end up dead like her friend. Her friend, as far as I know, read zero comics. He didn't mention any Marvel movie. Deadpool wasn't brought up once by her. but and That's kind of insulting. Yeah, the movie should have started. Hey, did you see Deadpool is on Disney Plus today?
01:08:52
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There's this funny thing in in ah in a recent, Scott hasn't seen where he was like, and well, every movie takes place in a parallel. reality, no matter how grounded you take it, because they're not saying like, hey, did you just see this movie? And then the co-host was like, well, I think White Men Can't Jump or something has is is like our world because it like has some real TV show. And he was like, well, but do they mention that there's a movie that just opened this weekend? White Men Can't Jump? Or it was like, it's like so, so it's not really our reality because they don't have that one movie in it. It's like, yeah, Heretic should have opened with they brought up Deadpool, but then they're like,
01:09:28
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You're that 824 movie heretic. And that's how you would know that this movie is like real, that it's like grounded. Honestly, good point. Somebody should do it. And more proof. than Michael Bay should do it. He's almost there. I'd like to see his take on this. um I mean, the island's kind of about people buying into a fake belief system a little bit. No, I'm saying mention the movie that they're in. Oh, he's almost there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah We were already talking about ambulance. He references his own movie. The next they should have just been like,
01:10:07
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Ambulance, you heard of this? Yeah. It looks pretty good. Yeah, instead of talking about like porn at the beginning, they're talking about ambulance.
01:10:17
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I mean, that's what teenage, or I mean, they're not, t I don't know how old they are. Oh, this movie takes place in 2022. It's a period piece. yeah it's a period piece yeah I mean, well, they don't bring up COVID. So I'm assuming it's before 2020, any movie that doesn't bring up COVID and they don't have, no one's masking at all. Their social distancing is is atrocious. So it could be 1776 or it could be, you know, 2019.
01:10:45
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There's no real way to know. I mean, the most modern thing. No real way. There's just no way to know. Just definitively no way. The cell phones are the most modern thing, right? And I like how those are immediately taken off. Like he so casually says when they're coming in, like, yeah you don't mind that I have my walls are lined with metal. Like he says it so fast that you know that they are not like listening to what he's saying, that they're just like, Yeah, yeah that's fine. Then later he's like, you said you were fine with the metal walls. Yeah. First I was like, I must be missing something about Mormons. It's like they can't be around. Is it like some vampire thing? Like they can't be around metal walls. Yeah. The the time that this movie takes place was confusing too. Cause some people had like flip phones and then in one scene there was like a flying car going by and I was like, what year is this? I think just the timeline got... Is this Blade Runner?
01:11:42
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The timeline did get messed up because of Marty McFly going back. So like, I think that that's what we're seeing. Oh yeah. I did hear this takes place in the back to the future universe. Yeah. But before he like fixes it the timeline completely. So like things are still a yeah it's like in the midway point. Things are changing as you know, it's like in the middle of two when like shit gets to keeps getting fucked up and he has to keep going back and forth. Yeah. She invents rock and roll.
01:12:10
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calls Chuck Berry. Yeah. I like the Simpsons parody of that were fucking Homer. They're in like a grunge band or whatever. It's after like Marge leaves Homer or something in like ah one of their flashback episodes, which I used to love a good Simpsons flashback episode, but he's singing ah instead of.
01:12:31
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Glycerin from Bush. It's margarine. and He's also singing, I think, like Come As You Are or something. and It's imitating Back to the Future. and One of the guys is on the phone. He's like, Kurt, you've got to hear this. That's funny. Yeah.
01:12:51
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It's good that Robert Zemeckis made sure to know, everyone to know, a white person really did invent rock and roll. yeah It wasn't, it wasn't like, everyone's like, black people really invented all these music genres and Zemeckis was like, no, no, no, no. It was a white guy. Yeah. Fuck.
01:13:13
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Oh man. I liked the little dig that, uh, I was a Kaufman, um, took at Zemeckis, at least I think it was a dig. oh Oh, and I'm thinking mending things when it's like the fake movie within the movie. yeah It's like a, it's like a claymation, like dinosaur or something. And it says directed by Robert Zemeckis. And it has like the most like cliche, cloyingly, like sentimental ending, like seeing directed by Robert Zemeckis is like a punchline. and that Yeah, do you think that was a shot? Ed Zemeckis? Oh, a hundred percent. I love that movie. It's a great movie. I know. It's, I think the only reason that's not like talked about. Cause it came out in COVID. Well that, and it was Netflix. Like, yeah, yeah there's only like a handful of streaming movies that like really break through. Criterion's got to get their hand on that. Like they did marriage story in Roma.
01:14:00
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Yeah, they got to really save like the top tier of stream. They should probably get the five bloods on criterion, too. They picked up a fucking sound of metal from Amazon, too. They should get handmade and from Amazon, those fucking bastards. I just have it on DVD. um Someone also needs to get a physical release of Killers of the Flower Moon. I think that's only stream like you can't even like buy that on like Prime or something. That probably will be Criterion with how much Scorsese works with him. but then I wouldn't be surprised if they're just like, yeah, give this exclusively to Criterion. I mean, that makes sense. And yeah, Marty's earned it. Give him everything. Put silence on Criterion. I want to see the making of that movie.
01:14:46
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i still need to see silence i think i would like i like three long movies used to really intimidate me but like when i lock into like a good long movie i'm like man this is fucking good like i think we've talked about how fucking great like an immersive Blade Runner 2049 or something like that is, when I was finally got around to watching all of Lawrence and Arabia, I was like, yeah, this is long, but like, this is like, so much is happening and it's like, this is just flying by.
01:15:16
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I have that on 4K. I heard it's like one of the best 4Ks you could watch. I'm hoping. I'm sure that looks fucking beautiful on 4K. I was just watching it. This story sounds so good too. I only know the description of the story. I don't know like anything beyond what the- It's kind of like Doom. Sandworms. Yeah. Beetlejuice shows up. Oh wait, not a different movie. Sorry. That's Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
01:15:40
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I think he's in Dune also. It's Warner Brothers. It's all connected. yeah there's a multi There's a multiverse. I don't know if you know this, but if there's a multiverse, they're all canon connected. ah So, is heretic a part of the Marvel universe? Can we draw some kind of line? I don't, there's no, Topher Grace. Oh yeah, that Venom's in it. Yeah, this is after Venom, he found God in a weird place. He does go to a, that's one of the funniest things in Spider-Man 3. I forget who tells him after he gets fired for having that fake photo, they're like,
01:16:14
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You better. Oh, no. Peter tells him, like, go find religion and cut to him in a church praying to God to kill Peter. but
01:16:26
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you Like, this is how this works. Right. I'm just going to go here and ask God to kill my enemy. That's ah Sam Raimi working just at his finest. I'm not even saying that sarcastically. That's like um chef's kiss for like a Sam Raimi movie.
01:16:46
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And like visually, it's still on par with all the other stuff he's doing in that trip just in that church scene. There's a crazy shot where yeah it's looking at the whatever you call the water that it sometimes used for baptism. Holy water. Like there's a thing of holy water and and and it's reflective. I didn't know what you were trying to say either. I was like, oh, that.
01:17:07
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yeah You know, the church water. what they Jesus water. They should bottle it and sell it. Jesus water. Jesus water. Now presenting Jesus water. No, but it's like a reflection looking up at Eddie coming in, dipping his finger into it, making the sign of the cross. And then the camera tilts up and then the shot can, continue it's like a really cool visual. Camera turns around and he's Tom Hardy.
01:17:33
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It's like, wow, they did that in a continuous shot. Yeah. and Really impressive. So who's Tom Hardy? I don't know who this guy is yet. But yeah, I don't know if he's played Charles Bronson yet. I don't know if he's been in exactly one Guy Ritchie movie and then never another one.
01:17:51
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yes bi bain Yeah, Yeah. Hot to think about. I don't know. Anyways. What else I was going to say? That was off to, oh yeah.
Diverse Movie Discussions
01:18:02
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Multiverse of Madness, why do people hate this movie? Because they're dumb. is it Because they can't handle anything with a little, I honestly, because I would see people after that movie came out or was available like for home but watch. they There's like some transition or there's like some montage of like,
01:18:20
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strange and other people preparing and then it's also showing you what Wanda's doing and like images are like fading and superimposed over each other and someone's like making fun of that like presenting of like oh man this is laugh about like this has so much more sauce visually than anything else that's been going on in these movies you guys are you don't deserve this yeah these guys got sauce dude what are you talking about these guys got sauce our new product Yeah, I just went on a podcast. It's just the same thing as this. No, juice and sauce are so different. No, there's the same thing. Yeah, sauce, it's like taste, you know?
01:18:58
Speaker
like when i can really taste the the flavor of the movie yeah if something's got sauce it's like tasteful it's worth you know it's like just it's got a good palate maybe i don't know it's got some flavor yeah juices it's like a pot like juice i always took is like a roided up kind of thing like man this thing's got juice yeah yeah exactly it's been lifting
01:19:21
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It's, it's, yeah, it's been Camille and Johnny. The 430 movies got juice. You know, some people really say that I saw someone write that my friend Bijon rated at two stars on letterbox. Almost everyone. is baja If you're listening, I don't know if you're a listener. Almost all my friends who've seen that now that it's like more available to see, they're like dunking on and I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I'm just a fucking sap that I, I'm like.
01:19:47
Speaker
getting emotional watching the 430 movie, but it's also really funny too. I don't know. I like that movie. Good movie. What are you going to start trashing here next for being sentimental? That would be unthinkable. I feel like there are people. I was going to think of a good sentimental movie I could have like trashed. What's that point? Is that sentimental for the fuck? Yeah, I guess people give a shit. I don't know.
01:20:16
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a little fart for them. Everyone everyone in in our theater are fucking wet when Deadpool and Wolverine were sacrificing themselves because we they there was no way that we were going to survive that. We were like, these characters are more dead than anyone has ever been. We live in time would have been a good sentimental one to call. Be like, well, you guys like your little we live in time. You know, I actually love that movie. I still need to see it.
01:20:41
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Yeah, I don't even remember why I was making fun of sentimentality anymore. I'm an overly sentimental person. Oh, the fourth, like deeply. and Oh, yeah. Good movie. Go check it out. It's on the man. If you don't like it, go fuck yourselves. Grow up. You grow up and then go watch the Kevin Smith movie where he makes dick jokes. Go watch Tusk.
01:21:03
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You know, I, I don't know how I'm going to feel about task. I've like come so close to watching that so many times, especially in October. I was like almost putting it on also the heretic good November movie. I think I like a good November horror and had like a good Thanksgiving feel to it.
01:21:21
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I mean, there's snow outside. We already said, we already said it's a Christmas movie. They're in a house. You know, it was more Thanksgiving than Robert Zemeckis's here, which features, I think, a Thanksgiving meal. You think you already forgot. yeah ah Another three and a half star movie. Yeah, they're very equivalent. They're the same. I like the Heretic more. Here was, if I didn't see it with my mom, I think I would really have more of an axe to grind with here.
01:21:49
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Yeah, that makes sense. If you you see something with someone who's like, it is resonating with you, just like bribe proxy, like get some of that. Yeah. and I heard a woman, a woman sobbing like the whole movie. And I was like, she wasn't a dog. I was going to see, is she like suffocating a dog? Like that's when she's like letting it up for air and then puts a bet. She's like, uh, what a monster.
01:22:16
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but shit's That's what's happening in our theaters, folks. Yeah, I don't know. You got to get theaters back to the fans. Where's your petition for that? You know, oh, you Snyder fans. So she's good sorry that that that that that that that was funny. But then I had a thought about the movie. I was like, so she's going to have to get the cops, right? Because there's all those women are still in the basement. um No, they're in a simulation. Do you capstone exist?
01:22:45
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I mean, I think, you know, I kind of brought that take up jokingly of like, there is, it's not like there's nothing in the movie to support that read of the ending. Who are they going to arrest? It's all white people there.
01:23:02
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ah No crime has been committed. Yeah. They actually arrest her for bothering them. Yeah, exactly. They're like, why did you bring us here? Some women chained up, I don't know. 23andMe. I don't really see. Oh. You won a 16th Cherokee, huh? Yeah. All right. So I keep the blame for all of this. Not fully white. Is that offensive? Is that a bad joke? No, I think. It's at the expense of white people, so I think it's OK, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's always OK to make fun of white people. Yeah.
01:23:35
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That's why all, you know, people like certain accents, you can't use it or make fun of anymore. Like any European accent is still up for grabs. I'm gonna go to Australian. Yeah, their white is fine.
01:23:48
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I feel so good to get that out of my system. I've been holding in. And in South African, you can do if it's a white one. So you can do. Charlie's throne or. Yeah, the district members of us either. Or the district nine. Yeah. What does he sound like again? iron Some like that.
01:24:07
Speaker
Well, maybe we didn't even review Monkey Man. What movie would we have would he have come up in? I know. I think it was just after Monkey Man and we were fucking around and you you like. I said it on mic though. And that movie came out like months before we did the podcast. Because I referenced it or something and then that made you do the voice or something. We weren't talking about District 9.
01:24:30
Speaker
Oh, we have, maybe bro, District 9. District 10, when's it coming? Blomkamp, what are you doing? Yeah, where's your Gran Turismo clout? You put out like a 50% movie on Rotten Tomatoes, so you've earned some good will back. I think that did make money, maybe? I don't know. I didn't see it. People were positive. I was like, God, I'd rather fucking suck a gun than, you know, watch that movie. I've seen so many people be like,
01:24:56
Speaker
video game movies. Finally good. And then the ones they point to are like that the Mario movie side. of guys I don't think we. Yeah, bad to subpar like adaptations. I would say the 90s Mario movie is more interesting.
01:25:14
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or We just might as well reevaluate Dune at this point. Doom. Sorry. I said Dune. Doom. Yeah, sure. Why not? The Rock. Is that a good movie? Is that the best video game movie? Detective Pikachu. Detective Pikachu is kind of good. Throwing that in. I like Detective Pikachu.
01:25:31
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I mean, it has Ryan Reynolds, so that is in theory is a mark against it, but we don't have to see him for most. of the Yeah, exactly. I do like what you just said right there and fully endorse Ryan Reynolds hurting the movie a little bit by being in it. Um, like if you've replaced him with anyone else.
01:25:48
Speaker
Yeah, even like Dave Batista, someone super different. Well, especially because you're supposed to be an emotional scene at the end when spoilers for Detective Pikachu, you find out like the soul of his dad isn't like Ryan Reynolds is is Justice Smith's dad and is like inside the Pikachu. Like Dave Batista would have killed a scene of like an emotional reorienting Ralph Fiennes. Yeah.
01:26:11
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But he's like as scary as he could choose. He's got like sad eyes when he's a dad again, and he's like, I'm sorry. And they're like, you don't look anything like me. You're also drastically older than I'd imagine my dad would be. I mean, you could choose age, your internal human soul. I mean, Ryan Reynolds looks nothing like Justice Smith. So I'm like, can I see the mom? That was like my question after that reveal of like, where's the mom? Oh, fine.
01:26:37
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very, like European.
01:26:42
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You know, I don't know. I played the red dragon. That Mr. Mime scene alone, though, um should have gotten at some awards consideration, at least like a Golden Globe. but To me, that's far superior than that bullshit on the scenario at the Mario movie. I didn't even finish that movie.
01:26:59
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came out the same year as the farewell and we're given the farewell awards over detective. You know, and I love the farewell, but if he could choose not in it, he could choose not in it. Justice Smith's not in it. No, Aquafina. She's cool. But she's cool as Pikachu.
01:27:18
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I mean, just put them together. She's not making as much money off as Pikachu is, I'll tell you that. She's the next Pikachu voice. No. You shut that down so fast. You're like, no. Not in this climate. Okay, but she won't do- Maybe like two weeks ago. But she- But we missed, like, we're past a certain threshold. There's no more Black Little Mermaids coming out, you know? It's just, the world's a different place.
01:27:45
Speaker
Well, I'm saying she won't. That was also under Trump's presidency. I don't know what I'm talking about. You know, it is going to be coming out under Trump's presidency. Round two is a whole new Star Wars trilogy. Did you see who they who they notes is going to write it? Yeah, the most reliable franchise. Oh, right. I thought you were talking about produce.
01:28:11
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Uh, not, not, not just Purdue, but like they got a writer who's done and say they have like the most successful franchise runner ever. Who's like very well versed in check out his IMDB flawless.
01:28:25
Speaker
That's, like, not an announcement. Like, they should, like, be burying that story. You know, what they should, like, be mad that people know Simon Kinberg is, like, involved with Star Wars. That's, like, dude. I mean, hearing, like, his involvement on those later X-Men movies, that guy sounds like he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Like, I loved hearing Olivia Munn trash that guy.
01:28:50
Speaker
And that he the way that he got to direct that final Dark Phoenix, was it really just who's the guy who wrote on Blade and then did Blade Trinity? Was it a... David S. Goyer. Was it like a David S. Goyer thing where it's like, well, you're here. I don't know. We don't really have a. Oh, I think what it was that Singer was already on his way. I mean, yeah, the allegations and also not good. But apparently he was super flaky during the filming of Apocalypse and Kinberg would film scenes of that. Kinberg was already directing Bohemian Rhapsody. So they're like, come over here and do this, too. A flawless movie. Perfect. That's why it won the awards. If a movie wins Oscars, it's good. Yeah, that movie is a bunch of malarkey. I said it. It can't take it back. It's like a ah like ah people. I'm trying to get cancelled. I have friends that like as i slam Brian Singer. I think you can slam Brian Singer. I think it's OK. Host of these guys got you slams usual suspects director.
01:29:56
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but they don't say his name Academy award ah he won like some award for that right for usual suspects. I think some like screenplay or something Yeah, I don't know. Should I take Kevin Spacey while I'm at it?
01:30:09
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though they They'll say the star or director of those movie acclaimed movies, but not say the actual. but It's kind of like how ah there's an announcement for this new James Franco movie that's really hiding his and but he like he's directing it and starring in it like he hasn't done a lot of bad movies that he made. But like it's just like from the guy who brought you Pineapple Express. No, it's like he's some fake made up superhero called Bunny Man and the director is listed as Bunny Man. And I'm like, so you just don't want to have James Franco's name and on this on this poster or like in this announcement.
01:30:47
Speaker
They're doing the Deadpool thing. What if Deadpool made a movie? That sucks. Are you gonna watch it? No! you yeah I can't wait for Bunnyman. Do that. We're gonna do Louis C.K.'s film. We'll do ah Woody Allen. We'll see what he's got cooking.
01:31:04
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ah Yeah. What were some other sex criminals? ah Who's the guy who did the pianist? Jeepers Creepers guy. na's go No, it's not. It's time crimes. No, he's good as far. as Yeah, he's good. Yeah. He made a movie about a sex criminal, but he did he' he's clear as far as we know. ah The guy who made Rosemary's Baby.
01:31:25
Speaker
Oh, Polanski. Yeah, I heard his shit. Fucking. I was alive. So he's made he had a movie last year or this year or something. I heard it because he can't come to the country. He just chills in France or something because they love perverts there and. a
01:31:43
Speaker
Shout out to our friends listeners. I think if you're a pervert and you go to France, they're just like, I don't know. Do you want to be mayor or something? Yeah. Do you want like a town?
01:31:55
Speaker
We'll name it after you. Yeah. Here's an all access pass to the Eiffel tower. Yeah. At least they got like 28 weeks later. You know, in that movie at the end, they make it France. So what's going to, what's France state of France going to be like in 28 years? Is that the next one? They're just skipping months, right? Cause it's been too long. So they got to do years. Yeah. I don't know if I love that.
01:32:22
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You could do months, just put some scrap a week on Killian Mercy. 28 weeks later again. 28 more weeks later. Florence Pugh, or not Florence Pugh, fuck. 28 days, 28
Speculations and Future Films
01:32:38
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seconds. Who's the girl who's in the green room and in 28 weeks? Mojin Poots. Poots, yeah. Poots has a pretty young looking face. Wow, you didn't even say who's the girl from Popstar. Never stop, never stopping.
01:32:50
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I forgot, she's Ashley Wednesday. yeah and they Yeah. The movie's so funny, I'm just laughing at character names. I go, go watch Popstar, show Popstar. Yeah. One of the best comedies. But what about Emojim Pootsie or something, bring her back? I mean, she looks young ah young, she's always looked young, so you could just be like, I don't know, a week, a few weeks past, since weeks later, she's the same. We want to see her poop. You know?
01:33:19
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You got give poops back to her. This is like her catchphrase. She comes on. Do I ever watch characters? She's like, boop, boop. Chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga. It's like, here comes the poop train. Sometimes it's a train. Sometimes it's a steamboat. She's wearing like a steamboat Willy outfit. She's like, boop, boop.
01:33:45
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I bring her back. Kill the kid. Yeah. The kid is a zombie. You're like, how do you explain how he age? You don't. He's dead. Killing Murphy. You can do anything with age makeup. Like look at Oppenheimer where they made him like so old at the end of that. You could make him young too. just respect jeremy renner yeah No, nevermind. Replace him a Tom Cruise.
01:34:07
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You got Mission Impossible twice. Yeah, in a franchise that Tom was never in. Tom's like, look at me, I'm the star now. Honestly,
01:34:19
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fucking I almost said dead reckoning again. Final reckoning should be a 28 years later crossover. Who owns 28 days and weeks? Um, Fox. Right? So, and then Disney owns Fox? So it's in the Marvel universe. So it's in good hands. So you're telling me we got nothing to worry about. I think. I'm going to double check that. I feel confident in saying Fox though.
01:34:51
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Then we should probably wrap up our heretic talk right after I look this up so we can do our spoiler alert. Final reckoning. I almost said dead reckoning again. It's it's funny that they're like the name will not be dead reckoning part two, but the name is really similar to dead reckoning. So it's Fox Atomic. I don't know what the fuck that means. It's they did like Jennifer's Body. Hells Have Eyes 2.
01:35:21
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Sounds like a sub studio of like Fox and Fox shirt, shirt, searchlight distributed. it So yeah DNA film is Danny Boyle figment film seems like it's Danny Boyle. Also someone associated with him.
01:35:41
Speaker
I like that when I, maybe it's the UK film council are like the main producers on it. Or did you say, who did you say distributed it? Fox searchlight, but that's just distribution that doesn't, I don't know if that gives them like actual rights to it. i Yeah, I don't know. We're probably giving this too much attention. No, this is important. Um.
01:36:03
Speaker
within the Google search, it said did walking dead copy 28 days later? Yes. The 20 days that are invent zombies. I think they just meant specifically like a guy in a coma waking up and zombie apocalypse has already happened. I mean, I'm pretty sure Robert Kirkman, who did the comic trip said he was like, yeah, I was inspired by 20 days later. Yeah, I never knew which came first. it was I think it was 28 days.
01:36:31
Speaker
ah Walking Dead is literature, so I assumed it's hundreds of years old. If you wrote it down on a book, there's no just like there's no way to know when Heretic takes place. I'm bringing it all back. There's really no way to know when any book is written, like whether it's, you know, just a regular novel or a graphic novel or comic or there's literally like like I i look at a Spider-Man comic and I'm just like, I don't know. Like this could be from yesterday or yeah from 60 years ago. I opened an I Spy book and I was like, was this written by God? Are these the images of God I need to spy? You could make your own religion based on I Spy. Where's the I Spy movie? No, let's get back to Heretic. We can't reveal our ideas.
01:37:17
Speaker
Yeah, it was that's, at least not, you know, like not paywall. You You speak clever. Almost got us talking about our adaptations we're working on. Clever girl. Yeah, Disney is paying us four million each to write a draft of I Spy. And then I'm also being paid. Starring Dwayne The Rock Johnson.
01:37:39
Speaker
Yeah, that sounds good. I'm also being paid to write a Star Wars movie that will not come out and will be canceled in a few months. Has anyone ever said that about a Dwayne movie recently? Man, that sounds good. Like in all seriousness. I feel like there was somewhat hype when one of the Safdies Maybe the ones from the characters? Or one of them? It's Benny. Benny's doing the Rock one. And then the other Safdie is doing some other movie with some high profile actors. Is Benny the one that acts? They both look like they're... Yeah, Benny acts. And... John? Jason? Josh. Jenny? Julia? Gulia? I wanna say Mason?
01:38:18
Speaker
um That's a great callback. of Yeah, they both seem like they're both doing very interesting things. It seems like it's a better split than the Coens when they split. um Yeah. um But Benny is doing the rock one. He's doing the rock one. so Yeah, that is interesting in the sense of like, it seems like part of him wants to do real movies again. And hopefully he's rewarded for that feeling or instinct and he doesn't just do like 10 more red ones like in a perfect world red one will bomb bit worse than Black Adam and then but then the wrestling a 24 movie does like huge numbers it's like it's like performs like a blockbuster I feel like it's going to it's probably gonna be
01:39:06
Speaker
It could become the highest grossing A24 movie. Probably. Well, I feel like this is going to be a huge movie um for everybody's careers your careers. It could get nominations. Yeah. like Unless it like sucks, but I doubt it's going to suck. um What's it called? I do want to say I hope we're still reviewing this if we are. I'm so excited to see and review Red One. I don't know why.
01:39:32
Speaker
I just have just this inexplicable joy for whatever is going to come from watching and discussing that movie. it'll it'll be I've been looking forward to it for like all weekend, all week. it's I know it's only Monday, but you know, kidna yeah seeing the advertising for Red One Everywhere, I was just like,
01:39:56
Speaker
i even if it's a bad Christmas movie. and just ba Us talking about Santa, not since Terrifier 3. almost rather just do terrify three again It's going to be arguably are one of our best episodes. I think we're going to win awards for our Red One episode. i think we could I might kill myself on mic when I, yeah. So just look forward to that. Whatever we got to do. I think it's the band Mayhem where the singer blew his brains out and they took a picture of it and use that for their album cover. It says a lot about society.
01:40:31
Speaker
Yeah, well they're a Norwegian black metal band. I think it's Mayhem. It's one of those Satan bands, one of those devil groups. um But yeah, that could be home that could be like our black metal move. People be like, this podcast is so hard. Like one of their co-hosts killed himself. And it's the cover of their episode. Hell yeah. Yeah, that would be so fucked up though. Don't blow your brains out. Okay, I won't. i just I'll probably get bummed when I remember it's the same director as a walk hard.
01:40:58
Speaker
doing red one. It's gonna be a masterpiece. What if it's better than Lockhart? AK Simmons is definitely not a blue collar actor. He only takes masterpieces. I mean, just look at what he's been in this year. I mean, juror number two is legit great, but he's also in Saturday night, right? He is, yes. Pulls out a fake dick. In front of Chevy Chase.
01:41:26
Speaker
It's going to be on VOD this week. I'll probably watch it. Yeah. That's interesting. There's a lot of stuff that's coming out. It's a good three star movie. Saturday night. You know, I don't know. It's just a sad. Yeah. Red one kind of fucking rip that review. I'm going to eat like a good like burger. I'm going to eat the red one burger again. It's just a standard hamburger with jalapenos and they charge you like $2 more for it. Those fucking assholes.
01:41:56
Speaker
$2 more. Yeah, I can, this this I can get it. i'm gonna bring my help This is why the Democrats lost because of shit like that. Exactly. Fucking Biden inflation.
Second Viewing Insights and Filmmaking Analysis
01:42:08
Speaker
Can we wrap up our hair? Speaking of Trump. Yeah. Go. I mean, I already said go see it in the non spoiler part. Go see it again. It's, it's, I think I'm going to really enjoy a second watch. My mom is looking forward to seeing this. like She was like, don't spoil it because I want to i want to see it. It's a good movie. I really enjoyed the conversation around it too. I think I enjoyed the conversation more than the movie, but I knew I was
01:42:39
Speaker
Even though I knew we were going in with, I don't like, I'm not fully on the opposite side of you, but we're not like firmly in, we're in different spots, definitely. yeah no But I was like so excited for this conversation because I knew it was just going to be a banger. And then we talked about Marvel. We always do. I'm kidding. No, but it is really the kind of horror movie, not that other like gore your graphic horror movies are like less than or like less artistic but like there's not really like some people get stabbed and like the the profit looks kind of freaky but it's not like hardcore in that way the like
01:43:18
Speaker
Yeah, I, my mom could watch this and it's not like crazy. Did you like the profit stuff? We didn't, we kind of like completely skipped over. We only talked about like the end result of that. Performances were good. I liked, uh, the little trick to the, like, she wasn't in the same position. That was a good horror movie trick. Even though it was like, Oh no, he moved the body. It was like a nice, like, Oh, did the body move? Right. No, cause your question, I'm questioning it it and they're questioning it.
01:43:48
Speaker
And like when they're picking up on things as things go along, I'm, it makes me, even though like I was not going, coming to the same conclusions, like it almost makes you feel smart on a long ride. The rides of like, almost like, did you figured it out with her? Even though I didn't that I'm like, yeah, of course. And then, then you drop the body into the trap door.
01:44:08
Speaker
yeah I would have never I would have never have guessed that. Yeah, I didn't even know he had the body strength to carry a dead body. It well it was like the other prophet carried in. I was like, these women are a good point. Yeah. So it's even less believable a little bit, but.
01:44:25
Speaker
yeah Yeah, actually, two stars, I'm bringing my rating down. No, I enjoyed that. This is not an insult in any way, almost Scooby-Doo-ish, like the kind of like it did level of discovery of like, actually, and then flashing back to like, it was this thing that you did, and this to like, misdirect us. Honestly, the whole thing from beginning to end was kind of, is kind of Scooby-Doo-ish. Because the whole thing is- Because he's faking a supernatural thing. Yeah, there's no supernatural anything to it. It is- Well, other than her friend coming back to life, but that was not him. He didn't do that. It is, and I mean this in all seriousness, in like a way I do appreciate it, it is very like Scooby-Doo-ish, you know? It's like we're in a fake haunted house.
01:45:12
Speaker
Yeah, you know fake chapel a fake spiritual realm spiritual house a fake church how long did it take him i build that shit Honestly, I did kind of have the thought at one point I was like did he hire contractors i feel and killed him I feel like this is like a
01:45:33
Speaker
three to five years of work he's put into this. Like I don't, I think this is like not super recent, but also not like he's been living his whole life with this church. I feel like he, like all of this is fairly like, you know, he's had the interest in theology, but taking it to this next step, like the obsession led to like this crazy next level of it. Yeah, cause there's not even talk of like missionaries going missing or anything. Like there's no like- Right, but he has a decent collection when you see the like cages. I'm like, that's not a small number of women. Like- So it feels like, you know, the constructing of this might have been within the past like three or five years. And then the kidnapping is probably like a pretty recent, like maybe he's been doing it the past year or something. Um, I don't know. That's just kind of where my mind went with all of it.
01:46:25
Speaker
I didn't listen. He's too like self-aware and in our reality for this to have been going on for a crazy amount of time. He would be way far more gone in terms of like he can't even present as a regular guy. Burnt out on it. This isn't like a chore to him. Yeah, like that. He's done this pitch 20 times and he hates it He's probably refined it over time. Yeah, he clearly has things prepared. He's still working out some bugs You know if you hit a curveball to where when like, you know He had to go into simulation mode in his head. He's probably like for next time I'll remember this I'll have more ready for if I need to go to the emergency simulation a theory like scenario
01:47:28
Speaker
Yeah, this is like time number seven within like a year long period and then then maybe earlier times he never even did a Jar Jar Binks voice. I love that he can that when he's all the iterations of like the Christianity like chosen one thing that you he cites when he says the Phantom Menace i by name, I was like,
01:47:50
Speaker
This is a guy who knows what he's talking about. I don't know if I emphasize this. This is a guy who's tapped in. He's tapped in. I don't know if I emphasize this at the top. This movie is very funny. i I was really laughing at a lot of in in a way that like my theater, I was like, are they just disengaging because of all the long monologues or uncomfortable because of the religion stuff? Not a lot of.
01:48:13
Speaker
The episode one, but our Phantom Menace Jar Jar thing, got the laugh, but otherwise my theater wasn't laughing at anything else Hugh Grant was doing. well And I thought, i he's he's scary, but i like I thought he's very funny too. um I don't remember if my theater was really like laughing a whole lot. I actually saw it in a fucking packed theater.
01:48:36
Speaker
I would have been good. I wish I kind of wish I had. um Not a whole lot of laughs. I couldn't tell if people were, I think people were into it. I would say I think people were into it, but yeah, not a whole lot of laughs. I do want to say, I don't know if I brought up on mic people like moving away from me, like in the middle of movies. I mean, we've talked about this. Did it happen during this?
01:48:57
Speaker
It happened. Yeah. But this was a time I didn't buy a seat directly next to somebody, but I was the second person to buy the seat in this situation. okay So I might've caught this person off guard, but I bought an end seat. Then there was a seat open next to me. Then this girl was in a seat and she was also by herself, i'm like.
01:49:20
Speaker
fully decked out like blanket all these snacks I was like this person's fucking like sleeping here tonight tell but um then like halfway through the movie they like got up walked across to where I assume like
Humor and Performance in Film
01:49:34
Speaker
a friend was sitting a completely different like other seat in the aisle and just like planted themselves over there and I was like What is with me and people moving away when I'm sitting next to them? But that one I didn't take as much offense to because I was like, I bought the ticket second, I could reasonably see them being like, I don't want people on both sides of me. You know? I don't know. Yeah. Honestly, I think that all these people that this has happened to, they were planning on wanking it and they wanted a seat that wasn't right next to someone. They're like, fuck, I want to jerk off.
01:50:10
Speaker
Yeah, it is just a super weird thing when it's like, you bought the seat next to me. Yeah. I always wonder, like, did we buy our seats at the same time and they didn't expect to be sitting next to me, but I'm like, no, you, you picked the seat. As far as I know, I was here and there were no surrounding seats. Or they were just kind of hoping it was someone they they could still jerk off next to, but then they see you and they're like, he's going to make this a problem. Yeah. They're like, this guy is a real boner killer.
01:50:37
Speaker
I was hard until this guy sat down. I had to leave. I like the voice you're doing. Yeah. It's the sound of someone who's sexually frustrated. You're in songs. Oh, man. Yeah.
01:50:59
Speaker
ah Heretic. Yeah, it's a good movie. You know, i my gripes, I would say, are very small. I mean, I could see plenty of people having your reaction to the ending. And I think some people have of like, they're kind of like, that's it. Really? Or like, was there more to do with this? But I think I'm going to appreciate it. Like once it hits the basement, that's kind of what I'm thinking. Like, I was like, let's get somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't a somewhere where I. ah you got a whole lot out of, but it's still like such a movie that's worth watching though. I think so. And I think just the other performances are great. Like.
01:51:40
Speaker
So up there with some of the top ones this year, like I guess the girls would be the lead. So Hugh Grant would have to be a supporting actor, even though he like dominates the whole movie. But like he he's like, if I'm just thinking about like great villain performances this year. Like and we've had ah quite a number. Hugh Grant could considerably. I don't know.
01:52:05
Speaker
Because. Oh, like get nominated. I don't know. really have No, get a lead nom if he were. I'm trying to not necessarily get the normal category he would get because he is driving like the whole movie. I don't know. There's a time thing like if you don't show up in the movie at a certain point in the runtime, you get pumped to supporting that happened with Dev Patel for a Lion. He got nominated for supporting actor because he doesn't show up for like 30 minutes. It's like losing on his character as a kid. So it's like, well, but he's the main character. And then what about Judas in the Black Messiah? Like that was a supporting actor thing, but it's like, he is Fred Hampton. like is is Like, I mean, I guess the undercover guy is kind of the main POV, but like they're co-leads really.
01:52:59
Speaker
it's both of them yeah it's a two hander i there's weird category stuff like people also got up in arms about ah um gladstone lily gladstone and killers of the farm moon like check the runtime she's barely in it but i still think that's You can do lead for her because like she kind of drive. She she's one like the heart of the movie and like the main POV that's not an evil white person. So like, yeah, like I feel like she is the the lead kind of female lead of it.
01:53:34
Speaker
This movie really messes with um your idea of like what a lead is. because the the structure that in I love that twisty structure of it. Yeah, because I put the girl who gets killed as the lead for most of the movie. Because she is until halfway through. and she gets killed, and the friend, I'm never really looking, I'm seeing her as secondhand to the girl who gets killed for most of the movie, and Hugh Grant, he's not, we're not getting his POV, we're with the girls the whole time, even like when they're both in the house, he's upstairs, we're not seeing it from his POV until Topher Grace gets there. I mean, we come back to him watching them a couple times, but yeah, it's not his POV, it's the girls.
01:54:21
Speaker
and it's like but again he doesn't show up until a little later it's not his POV and he's the antagonist so it's like there's almost like it's playing fast and loose with the rules a little bit yeah i like that though No, I love when of like you can do that with a small cast conventions or like the structure of movies is fucked with and subvert it. Like, yeah, I think it is the closest analog besides there being a basement is is bararian how barbarian shifts, not in terms of who the protagonist is necessarily. There's a basement and barbarian. Yeah, I missed something in that movie then. I'm not paying attention. You should go back. Yeah. But I've seen it three times, too. That's so weird.
01:55:07
Speaker
Missed that. Yeah, I just I know Justin Long is in it. um Yeah. Scars guard in that a movie shifts perspective to really well and like it it just it'll cut to a totally different character time period. And you're like, what are we doing now? It's like really good at like, like subverting that that structure. I agree. um Yeah, good. Good fucking movie. um I'm really looking forward to watching this one again. Like, like I said, like in a year,
01:55:36
Speaker
of, like, there's been ah quite a few, like, religious horror movies. This is to, like, I think I definitely have this above the front room and Asriel, like, as I...
01:55:47
Speaker
I don't have it ranked yet. Um, the front room is hard, man. Cause that movie is so fucking funny. It works on such a different level for me than like any other horror movie. It's like maybe the one of the strongest comedies of the year. And I don't say that as like a pejorative or no, cause it's intentional. Um, Jordan would be the right word, right? No. Funniest movies of.
01:56:10
Speaker
Yeah, no, pejorative is like an insult. no The funniest movies this year are that entrap, I feel like, for me. Hitman was pretty funny. Oh, me I always forget. Actual comedy, I saw. Yeah, that Hitman hitman was was was funny.
01:56:28
Speaker
um Honestly, Hugh Grant is really funny. Funny in the same way of like all the ah Chris Hemsworth's stuff in Furiosa, where it's like that movie is still very dramatic and and emotional for for for a lot of stuff. But then whenever he's on screen and doing his thing, you're like, I'm just having a good time. Another you know surprisingly funny non-comedy is a Nora.
01:56:59
Speaker
that there're That's basically a comedy. It turns into a comedy. Three stooges. When she's running around with those Russian goons, it's like kind of like slap not full on slapstick, but like they're they're goofing around. Now, is that bad? And we should probably wrap this up soon. But is that bad for comedy that all of our best comedies are comedies, the second genre?
01:57:25
Speaker
I mean, it's not our fault that they're not making comedies anymore. Like, I don't know what to say. Like, make more comedies and I'll see them. At least Hitman's out there. The one that... Oh, Alma. Great comedy this year. Oh, I need to see that. I want to watch out with my parents. But again, that's like an action comedy, right? It's comedy first, I think. Yeah, it's like they're watching Mission Impossible fall out in that movie. Yeah, I know. I was like,
01:57:52
Speaker
Did I make this? More movies should have modern, that's, again, ah not to drag this out even more. I'm watching modern movies and people are like in a theater watching movies or like watching something on their TV. It's always an old movie and shit like that. I'm like, no.
01:58:09
Speaker
Have these people watch like a modern movie, man? like you know Why would they have the thing from another world on? That's from the 50s. Yeah. well Why is this 18-year-old in 2024 going to the theater to watch like Creature of the Black Lagoon? you know That's something I would do, not something like most people would do. That's why those theaters are pretty empty when I go there.
01:58:34
Speaker
it's It's just cheaper than getting the rights to a real, like, current movie than you just like, yeah, they're just watching ah an old thing. I mean, Thelma. Unless it's a Paramount. The whole budget went to the fall. Yeah, I'm like, I don't. That's like not a cheap movie I assume to have in your thing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. One of the biggest franchises. Play Tom Cruise has seen Thelma. I hope he has. Yeah. I'm excited for you to watch that. Tomorrow. Oh, Beekeeper. Also funny. Did you say tomorrow? Yeah, I just planned your evening for you tomorrow.
01:59:12
Speaker
i need a figure vi at the day you know yeah no that's the way to do it and need to see conlave while it's still in theaters is conlave funny you um constantly will laugh out loud ra
01:59:25
Speaker
I honestly don't know if I laughed during Conclave, but there could be some humor to be gotten from it. They're kind of sassy. They are. People were comparing it to mean girls. like It's like mean girls, but in the Vatican. They're kind of like, you know sometimes they can be like a catty old bitch to like each other.
01:59:43
Speaker
That sounds good. I'm into that. Yeah. There's some like, there's gossip. You know, they're like, Hey, you know, what what are you going to do? car Yeah, that Colonel's doing this to get his votes. What are you going to do? Who's going to be swabbing their allegiance? You know, that sounds good. Yeah. Like mean girls or something. I don't know. It sounds mean girls mixed with like survivor. yeah no People are like betraying making like alliances.
02:00:11
Speaker
Hongclave is one of those movies where I walked out and I was like four stars fucking great movie and Good to great movie and it's one of those the more I've thought about it the more I've heard other people talk about it I'm like like I listen to the film cast talk about I'm like I want to talk about it too. well Like, let me talk about it with you guys. It's like, I like it way more than I realized. It might end up in my top 10. It's like one of those, I talked about it with you, like talk to me. It was below Oppenheimer last year. Now it's like, it's near the top. Yeah, it would be. And I think Conclave is one of those where I'm like, is this an important movie for me? Um, I need to see it. I'm probably going to really vibe with it. And, and Ray Fiennes has just really been, uh, uh,
02:00:58
Speaker
I'm sure he's been in bad movies, but like when I think of him, all the things that come to mind are really high quality, like in Bruges or like, uh, what's the Wes Anderson Harry Potter. Yeah. All Voldy himself. Harry Potter two. Bran Budapest is my favorite. Harry Potter three. And he's the like lead of that. So yeah. Harry Potter four. How many of those are there? Like seven? Harry Potter five.
02:01:28
Speaker
Yeah. Harry Potter six. Okay. Harry Potter six part two. your beous say that how it goes far is it seven part you No, which has the part two. Fuck. I don't remember.
02:01:43
Speaker
Just said the titles. All right. Let's start over. Harry Potter. No. Well, don't worry.
Reactions to Adaptations and Personal Favorites
02:01:49
Speaker
The new TV remakes they're doing for HBO are going to really set the because that's what we really need is another adaptation of those. So more Harry Potter six point two or whatever. I don't know. There's not enough. Oh, there's the beast. Is he is in those? The beast.
02:02:09
Speaker
Yeah. The Fantastic Beasts is finds in that. Oh, no, I don't think you're looking fine. I don't think Voldemort's even around. The menu. Oh, he's so good at that. That's a Harry Potter movie. It's a Harry Potter movie. Yeah. The menu is, I've said this on Mike, one of my favorite movies of like, it's going to go in my top 10 of the decade, I think.
02:02:30
Speaker
It gets more enjoyable the more I watch it. It's one of those, it's like, one of those movies where I was like, this is so specific and like specifically like made for me where I was like, it just works beginning to end on every level for me. I was like, it's so perfect for me. The whole cast is like great top to bottom. Uh, shout out. Like it's not my best movie.
02:02:56
Speaker
Maybe. I mean, shout out, shout out to no, wait, the jerk or past, whatever the, John Wick. Yeah. I mean, that's a compelling movie. John Wick chapter two. Shout shout out Mark Mylod. The, if that's how you say his name, director of the menu, also directed by the best episodes of secession. I think he, he, he worked on that. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
02:03:26
Speaker
Were we done with Conclave talk? Or are we gonna? I mean, I have to see it. So yeah we'll talk. Suppose for Conclave. No. They all die at the end. Fuck. Comet hits the Vatican using a megalopolis thats so satellite. Yeah. A Russian satellite. Adam Driver um shoots the Pope. Sounds good. And they fix him with Megalon.
02:03:53
Speaker
Anyway, the heretic. That was our review. The heretic. Shout out to Slipknot. I have to get them in the heretic anthem. If you're 555, then I'm 666. What's it like to be a heretic? um Yeah. I was going to start singing it, but I butcher it. ah But that song kind of fucks.
02:04:14
Speaker
They have a, I won't look up the lyrics. Those lyrics go pretty hard. That was when Slipknot was good. If you're a Slipknot fan um and you're a fan of their new stuff. Give Slipknot back to the fans. Yeah, go back to their first three albums. Those albums fucking rip everything after that. I will go on record and sing.
02:04:32
Speaker
is creatively bankrupt and Slipknot has become a brand and not a band and they put out bad music now. It's all just recycled nonsense. Speaker truth. They're a corporate entity. Slipknot is- Fucking cash grab. Slipknot is Disney, Slipknot is Trump. um Drag them. Support better metal. um Anyway, those are upset on the hair tick.
02:05:00
Speaker
Don't, don't pay it to rate and review us. You're a Slipknot fan, right? It's five stars. We'll read your opinions on them. Yeah. the Yeah. Specifically write out how you feel about Slipknot current Slipknot. And, you know, we'll, we'll talk about it. Psychosocial have a conversation. Yeah. We're going to have a conversation. Um, yeah, we got our final thoughts on heretic, right?
02:05:28
Speaker
Like, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm thumbsing up. So like, ah go, go see it. Maybe every, everyone's definitely not going to be, I don't think my, I've seen people have positive reactions, but like my super positive reaction, I'm like, maybe kind of an outlier, but like, it's, it's a well made, well scripted movie. Like, I think, I think you're going to get something out of it.
02:05:51
Speaker
Yeah. And you know, if, you know, if you dig it, buy it, you know, give a 24 year money or maybe they don't need your money. Are they, they're not indie anymore, right? Can we even call them indie? I mean, civil war made more money than like a lot of like big releases. Nevermind. Don't support the hair trick. Don't support hair trick. Um, here at tick, I call him here. a trickck Yeah. I got a little tick here.
02:06:21
Speaker
You should see someone about that. Yeah. Over here. Yeah. On my body. You're just like letting it sit there. I just lost all steam. I have Lyme disease, guys. Forgive me. It's from the tick. Boop, boop. Anyway, we really need to watch a movie with the poot so we can start pooting.
02:06:45
Speaker
Yeah, we both shot down the pop star commentary. Um, if you guys want to hear us listen to music, I didn't shout down the pop star commentary. I was just curious of like, will people enjoy, I thought we both determined it wouldn't be like the best. Like, what would we, would we just what what would there be to like talk about? it's just we're just goingnna be likeing and We could sing along. this We could do pop star the musical episode where it's just us singing to the, do people want to hear that?
02:07:14
Speaker
I think they do. I re-listen that soundtrack. fairly frequently. I listen to it for pleasure, not just comedy. I know. I would i would say, as a Lonely Island fan, that that's like their best album. i Oh, definitely. And i've it's only when I've heard from front to back. I've listened to the songs that aren't even in the movie. I'll be driving and singing like, any B, thought that but every day, the F,
02:07:45
Speaker
Speak for the boom on the dance floor. Oh, what is the thing? um Everybody, the our tummies are full of pajé. Here's the recipe for the pajé. Creamy sauce. It's so good. 10 out of 10 masterpiece. ah Turn up the beef.
02:08:14
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ten the b ah What's the, do you know the catchphrase verse? ah thats Tommy bitch, say word,
02:08:32
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costco samples like a motherfucker patrick stewart money that's the most memorable one
02:08:41
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Okay. It's kind of, say word,
02:08:46
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sorry, Dan, inky, nuts, squirrel jam, balancing my checkbook, zero it into short work. A hundred, a hundred gift, a hundred gift baskets. You're now rocking with the Tels Tesla boys. You're now rocking with the Tesla.
02:09:06
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Watch me veg, DJ tenor, swanky pumps,
02:09:17
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kind of for real oh so good oh man
02:09:24
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I call it a catch phrase because when you say it, the world is it caught by a phrase or whatever. Best use of DJ Khaled in that movie, a guy who I normally find annoying. Best use of every cameo. We should definitely end it here at the pop star thing. I that was i think that's a high note. That was the high note of my day. um He's talking about gay marriage like it's not allowed anymore.
02:09:47
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it's lee it's it's legal yeah he says it's allowed now you had it right yeah oh so good he's like yeah i saw hunter back there he wasn't even rolling about he was eating it you
02:10:02
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We're good. Stomping through the forest like a retarded Toronto source.
02:10:09
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And to be clear, we're quoting a person who's not he's not nice. you know So like we I didn't write those lyrics. Yeah. he's He's a bad person. I did it or didn't did not do it.
02:10:26
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Did I do it? I did? Yeah, I did it. Not do it. Yeah. Hunter the hungry's gonna eat. I'm gonna go tweet out a picture of my dick so people know I have one.
02:10:45
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You can rate in reviews five stars. We'll read it on the air.
02:10:51
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too bandy Watch pop star. If you haven't seen pop star, watch it. Watch it before the hair tick. I think it needs your money more than A24. Yeah, probably. Yeah. It's the only way to get pop star too. If everyone wants to watch it now. Yeah. You want to do your plugs?
02:11:10
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Uh, yeah, you can follow me at Doug or not underscore to, uh, the show's Twitter at guys got juice. We, uh, beginning of this month started our Patreon. Do you, uh, if you sign up, you get one week free.
02:11:26
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And right now we already have stuff like there's ah the Batman commentary for all three hours of it. You know, we have the first hour on our our main feed, but the whole thing's on on Patreon. There's some gameplay of us playing a really scary, crowded followed. I have a few games that I need to catch up on that I'm probably going to like be posting clips of and just so I can watch the gameplay. Yeah. It's already OK. Yeah. Yeah. there And there's there's there's just like a lot of I really want to see it.
02:11:54
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Yeah, there's some good moments in that that will guys. Yeah subscribe. That's such a good entry point That at least I think it was fun doing it. No, I think it's legit good and already I mean, we're still gonna be releasing more this week But if that was all that we had this week for 250 That's that's like a a good chunk of like content, but we're because we're so fucking generous we're giving you money Or I whether with Nick or I might do some solo stuff. I've kind of been wanting to. There's like some Tony Todd movies I've i've never seen. And I was kind of feeling a certain way after his passing. R.I.P. Tony Todd. ah But yeah, i I don't know. I might I might like do something on his ah Night of the Living Dead remake that he's in. I heard his performance is legit good, like not legit good, but just like he's great in it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Check it out.
02:12:48
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Nice. Let me know when you plan on doing that. If, like, schedules line up, I'll tag along with you. But if you, like, are in the mood to, like, terminate or zero it, yeah like, I fully understand that. I mean, I might do that with another, there's this, like, random Tony Todd stuff people have been posting. I'm like, this, I've never heard of this, but it looks cool. There's, like, some carry-on moss action movie from the 90s called Sabotage, and he's, like, the bad guy in it or something. It's kind of cool.
02:13:13
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I've thought about a solo commentary now that we have the Patreon like the place for it. i think Yeah. So, yeah, guys, go over to the Patreon, you know, if you liked the vibe of ah the hour of the Batman commentary you got, and if you liked the Terminator zero, like there might be like, you know, some other stuff like that. you may lot of stuff ah Probably some some TV or more TV because there's a commentary for ah episode four of The Penguin, but like the season just finished.
02:13:42
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i'm definite I need to watch that show. I'm so bad with TV. It's so fucking good, man. It's only eight episodes i would that and Agatha ends like strong. Getting me to watch Agatha will be true. I mean, no, I'm just going to watch a recap video or. Yeah, I would like yeah can't. I'm going to Secret Invasion this shit.
02:14:00
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Yeah, that's so ah the the Disney Plus shows are like I would much rather watch a longer mark like if anything the Agatha like praise that I was hearing I was like I should rewatch Legion because Aubrey Plaza is really good in that but that's like three seasons but I don't know I've maybe I'll cover all Legion I am probably, I might, maybe I'll cover what if, you know, I'm probably going to watch those. three yeah come They do the day by day release. Honestly, I usually think almost every episode of what if sucks. It's like, but I still watch. What are the good episodes? The Dr. Strange one from the first season, right? Where it's like, what if he lost his heart?
02:14:41
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I that one was good. I barely remember the good ones. They were all pretty underwhelming. I just hate the structure because like what if in the comics is like a cool thing of like you can do whatever like like any crazy combination of of like things but they're like like no we're just doing variations of the MCU. Yeah it's such horseshit. It's like and then in And then there's like the whole biggest wasted opportunity of Disney owning Marvel. And there's supposed to be standalone universes and stories, but then they're like, no, what if we build a team from these, this multiverse of people and then they have to fight Ultron or something? I'm like, I don't give a shit. Don't do. Yes. I like how angry you sounded when you said that. I'm right there too. Don't just do like.
02:15:29
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a one-hour what-if movie for Disney Plus where it's like, this movie, it's Marvel Zombies. We're just doing this now. you heroes the spiderman i don't know just do some shit Heroes that aren't even in the comic books. Heroes that aren't even in the movies. It's free game. We're just going to take these weird Marvel stories and do like an animated movie out of them instead of like an eight-episode series and just make it like, yeah,
02:15:55
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like yeah an adaptation of a weird like graphic novel or like side story or something. What if T'Challa was Star-Lord? That's boring. I don't think that's an interesting variation. Like, okay, so T'Challa is in space.
02:16:11
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ah Yondu's is dead. Okay. well Yeah. No one wants to see that. Do fucking X-Men versus the Avengers, you know, or something, you know, do something that like, we won't be able to realize this within the MCU, but it's still like a big enough, cool, complete story that people want to see. Not just this horse shit. It's fucking uninteresting. So if you want to hear that on our Patreon, if you want to hear more of this,
02:16:35
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i have this energy I'll probably maybe I'll do like acolyte style like commentaries on what if and just complain the whole time because if you guys like Hearing me complain. I don't know what no the ratio is I can't take you but you So yeah, sign up for our Patreon. You were going to do a penguin one though, you were saying? I don't know if I, ah if you finished that. Yeah, there was already a commentary for one episode, but I definitely want to do something on the rest of the season. Cause there's like a lot to talk about with like, the especially the back half of the the this show. So like I, you know, ah keep an eye out for that. That'll, that'll be on on, on the Patreon, probably some, some other various TV stuff that I want to cover. Yeah.
02:17:20
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Oh yeah. And you can find us on Instagram at these guys got juice pod. Um, I have another podcast that'll be coming out. These, uh, I almost said these guys got Gore Jesus. I can never get the title of this store name. ah Mercedes doesn't hear me. Fuck up the title on every, of it she doesn't listen to our podcast. She listens to They're too long. Serial podcasts. That's what we're going to become. Children are gore. We're just going to tell fiction. Honestly, maybe. I don't know. Fictional narrative. Who knows?
02:17:53
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but Yeah, I don't know when that's going to be launched. We have a big delay. Um, I won't go into too much detail, so, uh, it'll probably be coming out a lot later than anticipated. So, uh, a bit of a hold on that. I know I've mentioned it a couple of times, so I'll probably stop mentioning until we have more firm, a more firm idea of what's going to be happening, uh, with the launch of that. And then, um, you can follow me on Letterboxd at Nicholas Ewers and I'm Nick Ewers. I'm Doug Davenport.
02:18:22
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and where these guys got juice have a good night
02:19:00
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This is going to be our our demo tape. Or how an album tab like the, I don't know what you call it. It's just like other versions of the songs that they did in practice.
02:19:17
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Sometimes better versions in the official album version.
02:19:24
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when you were here before I couldn't look you in the eye, couldn't look you in the eye Just like an angel, just like an angel Your skin makes me cry you float like like are we doing it so wars i I'm already, as I'm seeing it, forgetting how the song is supposed to go. We'll just, we'll just both go in our own direction. yeah yeah and We'll stop whenever. Um, I'll try to end at the, I don't belong here. belong here.
02:20:12
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We'll tell you for a country to say, I don't belong here. I don't belong here. That was an accident. You don't belong here. ah In the words of a Trump supporter, you don't belong here. I just keep forgetting out the rhythm of it. Oh, it's like the rhythm of this one, I think. Have you heard on this one? and yeah Yeah, like that. It's kind of like that.
02:20:50
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Oh man. Ah.
02:20:57
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When you were here before, okay. Been looking in the eyes. think and You're just like an angel. It makes me cry. You float like a feather. we know In this beautiful world.
02:21:27
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I wish I was Spanish. I think I passed. You're so fucking Spanish. But I'm a creep. and Did we have the timing right or was I behind a little bit? I think that's as good as we're going to get as good as it gets. I like that. Jack Nicholson.
02:21:50
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Nora Efron, Nancy Meyers. They both the same person. Women directors. There's only one. Are there any? Yeah, there's just Grady Grady, Grady, Grady, Grady. Don't we love her? We love her, folks. The great Grady. Maybe I should roll the song before we do the intro every time.
02:22:20
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I always forget. and but We're also taught, we talk about a lot of controversial stuff before we hit record. Controversy, controversy, or as ah Idris Alba says in everyone's favorite fast franchise entry, Hobbs and Shaw, genocide's men are shied.
02:22:41
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ah Tell that to Hitler. I don't even. Remember what was the context of that in that movie? I don't remember. I know he was the bad guy. So I'm like, yeah, that's something a bad guy says, but like, what was his plan? He was gonna, I don't know. He was like a cyborg man. That's all I remember is that he had like legit superpowers. This is Hobbs and Shaw. Yeah.
02:23:15
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And there's a chase scene where they play a rap by Idris cause he does have like kind of a rap career. I've only really heard that song. So I don't know if his other songs are good. That's indicative of, of the quality of music that he produces. Wait. So the rock says genocide, shemen aside. No, Idris Alba. I was just going to say, I hope he brings it back for Moana too. Or red one.
02:23:46
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Mm hmm. He and he is like, I'm quoting Hobbs and Shaw. He says what it is that he's quoting. He pulls a ah Michael Bayan ambulance for characters quote his other movies. I like that. i I mean, I that was that was really the tipping, not that part, specifically ambulance as a whole. But I but you know, I think before that would have annoyed me, like, really, you're referencing your own movie. But every time I rewatch ambulance, I'm like,
02:24:14
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you motherfucker it's kind of a masterpiece it's kind of his best work i i think should have gotten nominated for best picture i mean best screenplay best score best screenplay awards it should have gotten adapted and original because wasn't there a French movie that adapted it from an ambulance? A real life ambulance. If you use a vehicle that's in the real world, do you have to credit it? Yeah. So the movie cop car. But it was just so original to know that they couldn't deny to use an ambulance in that way before. Yeah. No one thought to adapt an ambulance that originally. ah Should we run the intro?
02:24:58
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Yeah, let's do it. Alright.