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I ♥ Huckabees
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are bringing you a classic commentary for one of Doug's favorites, I ♥ Huckabees!
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Creativity and Recurring Comedy Bits
00:00:18
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You gotta mix the flavors, Vic. Vic, Vic, you gotta, you gotta mix the flavors.
00:00:27
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If you to be forgetting me. Aw, that was just...
00:00:40
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It should be a reoccurring bit. We should do that every episode? We should figure out a way to do that as often as we possibly can without it becoming annoying. So we're ending it now then, it so yeah long as far as we can without being annoying. yeah and we had a good we We had a good run.
Listener Influence and Episode Titles
00:01:01
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All right, so I wanted to address this title.
00:01:05
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It's good I don't have to pull anything up on my phone because there's both examples of it right in front of us right here. So the first one on the poster itself is I the heart emoji then Huckabee's and then the bottom you can read heart is spelled out and letterbox it's the actual heart emoji. I don't know if you've noticed that.
00:01:24
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What way am I titling our episode? Am I using a heart emoji if we're allowed to? Or am I putting heart? If you're allowed to, my vote's for use the heart emoji. ah Because I think that's honestly the only reason it's not that everywhere.
00:01:40
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I just don't think they had the technology to type out the heart everywhere. you know So they're just like, mo Moji technology was in its infancy in 2005 or whatever this came out. They couldn't do the less than symbol and the number three. No, they're like, we refuse to do that. It needs to be one coherent symbol. You probably can't do the less than symbol for some reason. like it's There's probably some text-based thing where it's like,
00:02:10
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That can't be in your movie. Yeah, I think their hands were tied and they just had to... Or it could be wrong. I could have just completely made that up. So hard emoji listeners write in if you and we'll go based off of what you say. If ah you see the title isn't what you picked, that's because um we don't care for you. You should take it personally. No, you should take it personally because um I'm honestly quite offended at that you picked what you did. So but still write in. Yeah.
Evolving Relationships with Film and Actors
00:02:44
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Anyway, so I heard Huckabees, this is our commentary on that. This is our commentary on I Heard Huckabees. I've had an interesting relationship with this movie. ah should we Should we just do the countdown? We can start talking. Because ah the opening credits kind of just like are are going for a few minutes. OK, so you want to you're OK with talking over the opening credits? Yeah. We can like wait a little bit if you want to talk before. Or do you want to just do it now, then? We we we we can we can just start it now. OK.
00:03:11
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All right, so I heard Akabezan three, two, one, play. So my brother showed that me this movie initially. I feel like like when it came out ah right after it came out, it was like on home release. But I didn't. I didn't start watching.
00:03:34
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Like I would even like say this is like the India's indie comedy, but like I wasn't watching movies that like dealt with any thing on any like smaller, more intimate scale until at least on a serious level until like a little bit sunshine I feel like or something. I forgot that there's actually a scene before the credits.
00:04:05
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What's this guy's name again? Jason Swartzman of the Coppola dynasty.
00:04:16
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Honestly, outside of Wes Anderson stuff, it may be including Wes Anderson stuff. I think this is my favorite performances. I really enjoyed him in, uh, Asteroid City. He's so fucking good in there. Asteroid City just fucking is like a freight train. Yeah, I really liked that movie. I've been meaning to rewatch it, actually.
00:04:41
Speaker
And so what is he poming on about? He's like. an environmental activist who's like trying to preserve this forest and open space. So, but his solution is he's going to read poems about it. So like he, I don't know, it's, it's, it's a, it's a weird job, a weird intro, but that kind of sets the state on the score. This John Bryan score. Honestly, one of my favorite scores maybe ever.
00:05:12
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Yeah, we should probably talk over it or else. just have inter you just You just hear my voice. Anyway, ah no, I was talking about the journey. I thought this was going to start like this, the journey I had with this movies. I saw it before I was really even watching movies, like before I was also contemplating the meaning of life. Like, do you know what this movie is about at all?
00:05:38
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Not really. We've kind of talked about it a little bit. And I had tried to watch it one time, but I was in the right state of mind at the point to finish it. But, um, no. What's it about? Lily Tomlin. I just wasn't. Steve at a Russell incident. This is the set that happened here. yeah ah And.
00:06:01
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Yeah, I mean, I guess just rip that Band-Aid off. This movie was directed by a not good guy. um It sucks when stuff that's like special to you is like made by a monster. It's like when I watch a Polanski movie and I'm like, fuck, that was good. Now now I like um a movie made by a monster.
00:06:20
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ah but Yeah, I don't I don't know movies are more than their directors and like this was or at this phase. He was hot shit. I mean like not not to me because I wasn't watching these kinds of movies, but like I just mean it is in terms of like I guess the zeitgeist like he felt like he was capturing like something at this time like basically through I mean, I was into it through, was the fighter first before, uh, silver lines or was it like silver was before silver linings?
Mark Wahlberg's Career and Public Image
00:06:55
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Yeah. Well, I at least like silver linings the first time. I don't know how I feel revisiting it now. Not too crazy about the editing of silver linings. Something that I found I've grown to find very grating.
00:07:14
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And despite the ah behind the scenes, like stuff that we know happened, I'm sure there was like a lot more. Cause it just sounds like he's not a great guy. Uh, but she gives an incredible forage. She's really funny in this. I know this was the location. Was this the exact scene where it happened? They come back to the space a lot. So I'm not sure her feet were up to when they were talking about when it happened. I feel like could have been this scene, but she does kind of lounge it a little bit. So.
00:07:45
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Do you know what the dispute was about? I honestly can't recall off the top of my head. Um... Yeah, I mean, I don't really have anything to say in defense of the director. I was just like giving context for like this moment in his career. This was not received super well. like He was ah flirting was flirting disaster immediately before this. He was he was he had some heat, and then he did this, and then people were like, huh, that's weird. Oh, no, he'd also done Three Kings. I think he had a lot of juice coming off of
00:08:18
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three kings and then this was like little blank checky that he just got to do this like really weird idiosyncratic thing and people were like well I don't know if we want you to do this and then then he shifted back to like more like the fighter this is his weirdest movie that I've seen and maybe that's like why it's my favorite but the reason we're watching it is that uh The writer, ah Jeff Baena, who's also directed some pretty good, great stuff of his own, um passed away recently. So I don't know, I just felt like this, because this movie is so special to me, that that we should we should cover it.
00:08:56
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So basically, I was talking over it, but... No, I've been following for the most part. So he's paying her, like, she's a part of some company, but there's they she he's paying them to spy on him, himself? They're existential. Her and Dustin Hoffman, they're a couple, and they're there're ah existential detectives. Like, they'll figure out an existential issue for him.
00:09:19
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And he wants to know, you know, like, if you want to know the meaning of life, they'll follow you around until they find that out for you. ah But he wants to he keeps seeing this tall African doorman. And he thinks it has to be meaningful. He's like, well, that means something. And I want you guys to figure it out.
00:09:41
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If only that existed in the real world. Damn. Yeah, it's called a therapist. No, I'm kidding. That's not, that's, I wish I kind of would prefer this over regular therapy. Although people could refer to them as, cause they have multiple clients, not just him. And that's how we'll meet some other characters.
00:09:59
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I also like her immediately going that coincidences are not always meaningful. And then, but he can't accept that. He's like, almost reminds me of like a little almost Cohen brothers ask, maybe just cause I watched a serious man so much last year, but that's about a guy who's like, well, this, all this shit happening to me has to mean something. And the movie's kind of just like, huh? I don't know. Does it? I really enjoyed that movie. Um,
00:10:25
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yeah i'm starting to feel like as i get older that coincidences don't mean anything i i tend to start to feel more and more meaningless its it's kind of just random chaos right yeah but this movie also deals with like this is a starting point and it kind of does emulate not every existential journey, but I ah kind of go went through a similar arc myself, especially like, I don't know, we've talked about religion a few times on ah regular episodes, but like,
00:10:56
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Once you start grappling with the, I don't know what to say, fact, but the idea that there's no God, that you, like, it throws a lot of other things into question of like, well, these other things that I was assuming had some meaning or some purpose was like through that prism of like, you told me that God made everything. But if you take that off the table, what does this mean? You know?
00:11:24
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And but they don't even really bring up God in this. So they're already from the starting point of like, let's find the meaning after that.
00:11:34
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Dustin Hoffman, a man who never looks the same after I watched The Graduate. Graduate, great movie. I just can't unsee that young Hoffman.
00:11:49
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Cause he was old Hoffman most of my life, but now it's just like, graduate is, I get why that's like his movie. Yeah. He's terrific in it. I mean, a definitive performance for him. But other stuff I've seen from that era around that time, he was still like bringing it like Tootsie, uh, marathon man is so fucking good. Do you like marathon man ones?
00:12:17
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Hoffman, oh, all the president's men too. Oh, he's great in that. yeah But this is also like, so he, you know, the wife is like, we're going to look into your case, follow you around. But Dustin Hoffman's job is kind of like he is part of the investigation, but he's like, we're going to examine like how you view the universe and the world. And his explanation is the blanket that he's holding up is everything that's all matter in the universe.
00:12:45
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And so he's saying that's a war, it's Paris, it's you, it's me, it's a hamburger.
00:12:56
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Everything is the same as even if it's different.
00:13:09
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And the thing I like about this movie is that he, Jason Swartzman plays this of like, he's like taking this in one, like it makes sense to him and that what he's, he I think he wants to believe it because he's looking for some kind of solace and like, you know, like if you don't have God, you kind of want there to be some kind of bigger thing that can can comfort you or or make it all make sense.
00:13:35
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but we're gonna see pretty quickly that he's not like holding on to the, like he will take things away from what Dustin Hoffman is saying, but like I, this isn't the end point of the journey of what he's saying about everything being the same, but like it, this movie throws a lot of ideas at you. Yeah.
00:13:57
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This is like before sensory deprivation was a thing. I wonder if Joe Rogan's seen this movie. Cause he's about to get in a body bag. I wonder how much our ride bags expensive. Like if you just want one for your home use. I wonder if David or Russell like goes out of his way to make such like sweet movies. I don't, I haven't seen this. So I don't know if it's actually sweet by the end of it, but like, it seems like that's kind of the vibe that he usually goes for.
00:14:32
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Well, he seems like a totally unchill dude. Right, like that that he's like completely the opposite of of that. coincidence and it more Maybe that speaks to something deeper that that's what he wants to be or he's trying to compensate. I don't know.
00:14:52
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See, this would be me if I tried, because like Dustin Hoppins trying to like do some guided meditation. Like, Hey, I want you to think about how you're all part of this one big thing. na law And then he immediately starts thinking about people who put him down. Jula is really good in this. ah Where's his mustache? No, just you Wayne. I wanted to sweep across my body, like a push broom with that thing.
00:15:24
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Shout out to the order, if you guys haven't seen it. Yeah, go watch the order. He was so young. I guess that's how time works. Yeah, this would be after talented Missouri players. 20 years ago. It came out 20 years ago. That's ridiculous. That's fake. Naomi Watts is really good in this. I don't know if this is a hot take. This is the Mulholland year. This is after Mulholland. Mulholland was like 2001. Oh, okay.
00:15:54
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But I do want to talk about 2001 real quickly, because you were talking. outicecy The year in ah in America and in the world. 9-11. This was kind of made by, I don't know if the origin point was Jeff Bana or if that idea had already been germinating before he came on to co-write it. But I've just heard that, like, that was kind of the jumping off point was 9-11 happened and the all ah kind of wanting to make a movie about why do people only ask themselves serious questions after something bad happens? And Mark Wahlberg says exactly that later. We're going to meet Wahlberg's character. I fucking love him. Wait, who originally said that before Mark Wahlberg? I'm not sure if it what that was just like the creative lead together. They kind of came to that point, maybe. And this movie is the one where Mark Wahlberg says that if he was on the plane, it would have went down differently. Yes. From I Heart Huckabee's. No, his performance in this one is my favorite Mark Wahlberg, but his performance on 9-11 was bad. Is this really buffering? Oh, my God.
00:17:02
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tonight of all nights so we're i'm just gonna make a note 13 36 i'm gonna have to go back and press play this thing never buffers on us like ever all right guys so it buffered
00:17:24
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Yeah. Uh, we're just gonna, uh, restart it. Um, do should I just do three, two, one player? Uh, yeah. And then there might be a brief buffer, but it also might set immediately when I hit it. So let's try three, two, one play. Okay. So we're restarting from, well, we stopped at 13 36. I'll make notes of this in the thing. So anyway, we're restarting in three, two, one play with.
00:17:53
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few seconds delay. Okay, so we can do the countdown again. Okay, and let's write it through. And we're at 1336. Okay, again, sorry about this, guys. This is the TVs having some existential issues. ah So we're starting in 321 play.
00:18:12
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But back to the marking mark of it all, we're going to meet his character in like a scene or two. um It's interesting because he would never do a role like this now because his character is like pretty liberal. I don't think he would play a guy who says the kind of stuff that his character says in this. Yeah, Wahlberg's a weird guy now, right?
00:18:32
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he he'd like I don't want to say he only does Christian faith-based movies, but they're at least adjacent to that. This is the movie where he assaults the Asian man, right? That happens in this movie. I heard Huckabee's. I actually don't think there's any Asians in this because he took care of that. Okay, I just... Okay.
00:18:58
Speaker
That's it. I didn't know if you knew that was a real life situation. No, I didn't like blind the guy or so. It was really bad. It was brutal. Marky Mark. He's he's not a good person, but he gives. Yeah, that's why he's banned from this podcast. Donnie, you can still come on. Um.
00:19:18
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Yeah, I don't know. ah He was still doing interesting projects at this time. And now he only does like really one kind of thing. I would say um know gibson movies Gibson movies. Yeah. Or Father Stu.
00:19:41
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I mean, in no particular order after this, like just some favorite Mark Wahlberg's performances, I would say the other guys. He's very, very funny and like, oh, Boogie Nights, of course.
00:19:57
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um the departed yeah jinx out of all the movies he's got let me land it on that one it made sense we i mean we're running out of good movies uh oh i have one more that i actually daddy's home i haven't seen that yet maybe i will love that he's coming too i think he's good i haven't seen either it'd be funny if i saw two and then i'm gonna go backwards i was gonna start with two initially i should have
00:20:26
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Um, but light I think it's better. I think he's underrated and the movie itself is underrated. Pain and gain. I think, I think pain and gain was pretty good. I didn't like love it. Um, it's good though. Maybe the rocks best movie. I'd say Southland tales, but it's number two. Yeah. Check out Southland tales now streaming on Amazon. Then we have like POD and it's soundtrack.
00:20:55
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It's got a lot of stuff in the soundtrack. a line of p o d Probably. Sounds right. So what is happening here? He's, this is supposed to be a visual representation of he's like saying like, well, are you thinking about that we're all connected? So like,
00:21:12
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It's, they're like representing that by these like squares of them coming off and like floating over each other. And that's kind of like, was the, the main poster was like his face with all these different like parts from other people over it. I didn't see the poster.
Creative Integrity in the Industry
00:21:31
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Is that what David O. Russell looks like? With like Jason Sportsman? Yeah, at least the hairstyle. I think he looks like Beelzebub. I have no idea what that means. It's the devil. Oh. I kind of don't want to talk about David Ora. Sorry, not that to like, we can talk about him, but it's like, that's, I just don't think there's a lot interesting there. to I just have nothing else context-wise for this movie to talk about. um We can talk about existential issues, ah you know. talking about real life yeah Maybe not talk about the movie directly.
00:22:07
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Well, I'm saying like, no, just like belief systems and stuff in like the universe, meaning of life. You know, like how do you feel about that? How do I feel about the meaning of life? What do you think it is? That's a pretty broad question. Maybe the most broad question. How do you feel about the meaning of life? Okay, this is a great introduction.
00:22:29
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So we're already meeting him mid, some shit's going down. His wife is leaving him. He plays his wife. and She looks from, she looks like, like not Marisa Tomei, but like adjacent to that. Um, Marisa Tomei adjacent.
00:22:50
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And this is every- I see it. I see what you're talking about. Yeah. He's going to bring this, what this thing he's going on about how if you use petroleum, you're evil. That's like his character's main deal. He's a firefighter who won't ride on the fire truck because if you, the petroleum is evil. Why does he think it's evil?
00:23:13
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i Like that shows a map the universe says what universe ah all the wars that we do to kill people for oil um That we just support evil dictators in those countries for their resources and that it kills the ozone layer ah So why's He's a fireman, but he's not actively working right now. No, he rides his bike to the fire in his ah robe and stuff no, no, he puts on his boots and like a thing and But he doesn't have water because he doesn't have the truck, so he kind of just has to run into the building. So what is he doing now? Cause he's in his robe, but there's firemen behind him. They're helping him get his stuff out of his, cause his wife is like kicking him out. Okay. I can do from, I mean, the background looks like it could have been like a house that like got burned or something. So he's been,
00:24:07
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going to the opposite direction of what they're saying. They said everything's connected. He has a book by, I don't know how to say her name, Isabelle, who there, or she, she was in that. What's that one?
00:24:22
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who's a Robocop director. el ah He did the movie Elle with Verhoeven. Have you seen Elle was the one you went to? Well, that's the one with her as a bell. Oh, I thought you. So that's that's why I was trying to bring that up. But um so he has this book by her and she's like this French nihilist. And so he's going down this dark path and he's saying, like, no, we're not all connected. And he's telling his daughter that her bear is made by Chinese children, slaves.
00:24:54
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Pretty appropriate for Mark Wahlberg. Distasteful, Mark.
00:25:06
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um His reactions to people like just his physical performance, because someone's about to say something and he's going to have a reaction that makes sense for Mark Wahlberg, but for this character.
00:25:20
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The guy called him his therapist and then Mark punches him. This just immediately goes to like a 10. It kind of reminds me of his daddy's home character a little bit.
00:25:32
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But it's interesting because he's not playing a dumb guy. Like so many Mark, uh, uh, Walbert characters are like broey and like, yes, this guy has a temper, but he's like very liberal. He's like knows like about the issues to an extent. And the implication is like you get more of the, they never spell this out. He's a firefighter going through an existential crisis. What happened?
00:25:58
Speaker
Is there anything in the recent history of when this movie is happening, which would have been current to 2004 that maybe made some people in, you know, emergency services, like question, like everything, you know, so 9-11. And they, when they talk about it, they never say 9-11. They said, he's been with us since the September thing.
00:26:20
Speaker
So, Jew law. is this this bro-y corporate guy he works for huckabees which is it's weird because he's really like man i love the fucking grit that he's got in his old age i know he's not like old but no he looks great now years later the order i like this the pretty jude law too but Man, I can't get that mustache out of my head when I'm looking at this pretty face. The pretty Jude Law works better for a scum, like a like a guy you're supposed to hate, you know, like, I don't know, even if he's like- Like the haircut is the choice, or the hair dye job or whatever is the choice too. It's very hateable, like.
00:27:09
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And I also feel like it's a choice. The movie is a bad guy, though. He's not good. This movie, overall, I would say just like any corporate person is not a fan. Like Huckabees, the company he works for, they're kind of like Wal-Mart. But they're like Wal-Mart if Wal-Mart had like Carl's Junior ads, because Naomi Watts is like the spokesperson. You're going to see her filming a commercial. She's like in a bikini. And it's like, well, Wal-Mart doesn't.
00:27:36
Speaker
They don't need to use sex to sell because they're Walmart, but like i get I, they're just kind of trying to combine all consumerism into like one company, I guess. So Huckabee's is different from the existential and crisis people. Yes. Okay. Huckabee's is the everything store. And.
00:28:01
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I don't, existential detectives are just existential detectives. I don't know if they have like a, ah but like their business card just says their names and existential detectives.
00:28:12
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Like, like if Walmart, mention Walmart had ads like that. were and it And it's Naomi Watts. You're like, damn. c somemads like that I need to go to Walmart. I don't know if this is hot take.
00:28:26
Speaker
I think she's great in Mahalan dry. I mean, not, she's terrific in that. And everyone usually defaults as her best performance. I, she might be better in this. um Have you seen the impossible? She's pretty great in that. I need to see it. that She's like super solid in that. Um, really putting it all out on the table. Got a baby Tom Holland in that one. Like a little fetus.
00:28:54
Speaker
Congrats, Tom. He was only 20 years old, playing a nine-year-old. Then he became 21 and started of playing an 18-year-old in Spider-Man or whatever.
Celebrity Relationships and Personal Lives
00:29:06
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How do you feel about him and Zendaya? They're gonna tie the knot. Pardon of me, man.
00:29:12
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I don't want to be cynical about it. Part of me was like, this could be the most effective marketing thing ever concocted. Because they're both going to be in the next Nolan, right? They're selling it so fucking well if it is concocted. Otherwise, if that's not the case,
00:29:31
Speaker
Really hope they make it, man. That's cool. You know, it's like, you know, I hope they make it and the universe is kind to their relationship. I almost hope it's the cynical version because I there's something that about me that respects the Sydney Sue Sweeney, Glenn Powell, Mark. I haven't even seen the whatever that romcom was. But when she was like, yeah, I played up the I want people to think that we were dating because I would like fuel interest in the movie. Didn't her boyfriend direct it? Did he? Oh, okay. I think Sidney Sweeney's boyfriend directed that movie. Maybe they started dating after the fact. but I think it was after, but everyone leading up to it and the ads were definitely like, not like the ads where it was just them and not in the movie that they wanted you to think like, are are they together for real? Did you see it? No. Are you going to see it?
00:30:24
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I think I might. I like rom-coms. You're a fan of, uh, Sydney Swedes? I'm open-minded. Is that racist word Swedish people? Does, you know? I'm, I, I want to give her a chance because I haven't even seen Immaculate. Damn, dude.
00:30:42
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about it enough. I shouldn't really have a whole lot of other movies I can think of. Madam Web? Oh yeah, well you did see that. That's about her peak acting ability, right? I mean- No, immaculate's solid. I dug it. I think I liked it more than most.
00:30:57
Speaker
I think it got a positive reception. that was when i was like over sweeney and like euphoria i was like i have no interest in the sydney so screen we need noneov and i saw it cause we'll see you in how covered it said they were going to cover it then they covered it months later but and enjoyed it a little bit that Yeah, I mean I'm over euphoria, but I try not make like a movie or project that I'm Annoyed or like over like the actors for like like, you know voluntary sometimes No, I know. I just actively try and not to okay, so he's already home i thought to get over it but Yeah, so you did the work like
00:31:37
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It was a nice movie. I'd recommend it. I like the fucking artwork back there with just the squares and then he'll turn around and there's like, cause it's chalk. So he's, there's just like a lot of funny little details in this office.
00:31:55
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So they've been looking into his coincidence.
00:32:05
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Yeah, I've never really like put stock into like this. These random things have been happening must mean so, but I get, I get why using that as a starting point for existential, like crisis dilemma, because like when you're like in a bad, like you do start, I think just our brains are, we're pattern seeking animals. So like people want, especially when they're like going through some kind of crisis or something of like, well, that's, this isn't random, you know, like,
00:32:35
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even Even if it's in the negative way of like, this is someone's out to get me. Is it the universe? Are other people conspiring? Like, this is not this not just random.
00:32:47
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And maybe it's not. I don't know. Sometimes it is. Ziggy's got the squares. Sometimes I'll notice things that are just coincidences. Oh, so that was actual chalk. That's funny. I like that she gets up to they just wipe it off of him. Yeah, I like that. Their relationship's cute. I don't know. That'd be nice to like me. I like everything I'm seeing so far. I dig it. Me and my wife. It's very different from the first time I tried to watch it. I was in like a whole different state of mind.
00:33:14
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Well, yeah, I almost half said or like, that's kind of like, I didn't it didn't take the first time I saw but I was also too young. Like, I definitely never was thinking about the meaning of life whenever my brother first showed this to me. I was just say I was like, Oh, comedy movie, this is gonna be funny, right? I mean, and there are there's funny stuff, but that's not the sole goal of this movie. man I have coincidences that I notice as just coincidences, but ah for like other people, I'll sometimes like wonder if they're thinking that it's more than coincidence. A lot of times other people I feel like are, especially religious people. so Well, not not like that. So like, I'll notice like, for example,
00:34:05
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Um, like today I ended up wearing the same exact color scheme as like one of my coworkers, like say, like shirt was pink, their shirt was pink, pants were black, their pants were black. Like, you know.
00:34:20
Speaker
And it was one of those things where I was like, we tend to accidentally coordinate a lot and I'm not planning it. dently I'm not planning it. And I hope they don't, they realize it's just a coincidence as much as I realize it's just a coincidence or a conspiracy. Unless they're planning it. They could be planning it. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm like.
00:34:44
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that frustrates me. It feels like I am being creepy when that's happening. And it's just a coincidence. No, I know what you mean. My mind over thinks things in the in that way too sometimes. ah Not sometimes, a lot of the times. But I want to try this as a meditation exercise because like while he's like trying to imagine like this visual space in the body bag,
00:35:09
Speaker
g k We already saw he has trouble he keeps going to these negative things, people insulting him. So he told him to imagine a tree and of you know this representation of all this negativity is being sucked up by someone he respects. He's like, oh, my third grade teacher, she helped me. But then Jude Law is chopping her head off. It's like, he that's like how my mind works sometimes, not like chopping up literally, but like you try and find a positive thing to hold onto or like something to push the negative away. And it is maybe initially working and then it's like, nope, here's all the self-doubt and like bad thoughts again. I do that every single day, every single time I fucking leave work. Like today I left on like a pretty high note.
00:35:56
Speaker
And it's just like weird the moment I like get in my car and my thought I'm there with just my thoughts I instantly am just filled with Just this lack of fulfillment and just this feeling of like loneliness and depression and I instantly like I was I felt like good at the end of the day today. I got like compliments for the job that I did. A pretty good number of compliments from people that like I respect.
00:36:30
Speaker
and um Then it's like, yeah, I was feeling good. I'd like walk out, get to my car, and then boom, it just hits me. Just on unfulfilled, just i ain't alone. And it's like, it's just because I'm alone with my thoughts for two seconds. And it's like, it's all intrusive. It's like nothing I welcome. And I like.
00:36:56
Speaker
ah It just sinks and like I almost worked myself up into tears sometimes like it it could be over um the part of it could be Because like you said you don't want those that's why they're intrusive thoughts I mean, but like uh, I don't know.
Personal Thoughts and Resilience
00:37:12
Speaker
Maybe we should try like oh everybody hates me and everything I read as genuine interactions were just really fake and yeah i was like it's just them being co-workers no one gives a fuck about me and i you know and then i carry that and i bring that into not bring that but it's like i you know i have genuine interactions with like friends and i like
00:37:36
Speaker
don't find them as genuine because i'm just like well how could they like actually care you know are like how like like i have one friend where i'm like i didn't even realize like how bad of a friend i was being to them like just like how neglectful I was being to like our friendship and then it's just because like I thought like they also like didn't care much about the friendship either and I found out recently they really cared about our friendship and I like was just not picking up on it and I i just thought they didn't care about me at all so I started neglecting the friendship I mean the misreading signals like that all the time yeah I mean
00:38:24
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i think I think that's not an uncommon thing to happen. But these these thoughts, if you wanted to, if you were going to imagine someone using a vacuum cleaner to suck all that out of you, who would, do you have like a, like just, I don't even think it has to be a person that you've actually met. Like it could probably just be like Tom Cruise, right? Like I think for the purposes of like,
00:38:48
Speaker
ah that it could it could just be some someone you admire and look up to. Honestly. I don't fully think about it in the context of someone like sucking the thoughts out of my mind, but I have something similar where like, if I'm going through such like a hard time where I feel like the world is shattering around me or something, I'll have a habit of like, let's say I'm listening to a podcast and it's like, that'll typically be someone I admire. That gives me comfort. It does feel like I'm with friends for my favorite podcast. Not even that. I'll sit there and I'll think,
00:39:25
Speaker
These people who are doing something like for a living that I would love to do, these people who I admire, they've been through this. Not the same thing, but they have been through a world shattering event.
00:39:40
Speaker
Sure. And look at where they are. They're off. They're doing what they're doing. And they're like doing it with their lives. They sound good. They're on the other side. And I kind of think whatever like person I'm engaging with, whoever I admire, I just think they've been through a situation like this and they've gotten through and they're already on the other side. If they can do it, I can do that. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, I can do it. Hell yeah. And you can do it.
00:40:09
Speaker
And you can do a two listener. Yeah. So this is there. He's finally meeting Mark Wahlberg because ah they have this thing called your other, which is like a buddy system. You're supposed to help, uh, you know, your, your, your partner from spiraling too far. But then. Seems very involved.
00:40:28
Speaker
Oh, it is. But then also, um, Dustin Hoffman didn't fully tell his wife that he's slipping into nihilism because they're like, you're not, I don't think you're supposed to partner someone up with someone who who it could spread, you know, like, like a negative, like path or ideas. So this is Yeah, and this is also earlier than they were supposed to be doing it, but like Al, you know, Jason Swarman is not doing good because ah when we were talking through all that, Jude Law has now come to the existential detectives because he found out about them, but not because he has existential issues. He's using this as a thing to
00:41:11
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Get it Jason. so This is like he he said like you conquered my coalition and now you come here to conquer this like that He's like the kind of person's like you won't even let me have this thing Have you ever had anyone like that in your life, that's a very
Corporate Culture and Bullying Tactics
00:41:27
Speaker
bully tactic. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I've definitely encountered people like that. I've got someone in my life I can point to like that i of No, no clue like a possible But scary to imagine that people like that are in, not that this movie's going for like realism, but like people like that are in power often, right? You know what I mean? Like that he's like, he's not the head of the company, but he's, you know, part of corporate. And people like what what exactly?
00:42:01
Speaker
like bullies basically yeah that like that they're the ones running the world yeah no that the world's not necessarily fair i mean actually as i've gotten older i have noticed like more um kind and like decent people in power, but that's at like the level of they're my employers. Right. People above them or the people above those people. That's where I'm still a bit more cynical and I'm like, I don't think these are good people. I'm inclined to agree. So I don't think good people usually, um,
00:42:47
Speaker
Try that hard to work that and to to get that far up Right there. Their main goal isn't to have so much more than everyone a lot of the times other things kind of come up So so he's he's still trying to play off that like this that he's Jen Jude laws is like no I like you know, I think about stuff and I
00:43:16
Speaker
Jude Law looks just like my cousin Emily's husband. Oh, really? Yeah. so in Except my cousin Emily's husband's a lot bigger than him. like okay but it's like yeah But in years, what's his mustache going to be like? let's Let's check back in on that. Good point. Listeners, check back in in 20 years. and We'll talk to my cousin's husband.
00:43:41
Speaker
so ah Just how quickly Mark Wahlberg goes. And he's not just being crazy, violent. for He's actively making a distraction because he told Jason Swartz, who's like, Oh, you want to see your file? The detectives aren't showing it to you. Like, I'll just let you slip in and get it. So he's ah they just met and he's already like,
00:44:02
Speaker
involved with Jason and sorts of like, yeah, I got you, bro. Like, let's. I like that. That's cool. Even though it's not doing the process that they're supposed to be doing, he's like, yeah, I'll help you break the rules. I like that he's using that energy for good. I like when a hot head is like, yeah, I'll use my hot head energy to be good. I like what she's doing in the background, too. Yeah, ummon she was like chomping air for some reason.
00:44:28
Speaker
I think her and Dustin Hoffman were trying to talk, talk the situation down to like, Hey, the violence were being like lizards or something. And then I think that's why her shopping. They're like, you know, cause that's like, you know, whatever the earliest life forms that we evolved from, you know, it was all just eating each other and fighting. And we're supposed to be above that. You know what I really like about this movie? Cause Quirk doesn't really fully work on me. Um, there's like a specific type of quirk that was like popular around this time. Yeah. Well, this was like, it doesn't always work for me. Mumblecore, like indie thing. This is, has like, uh, a dryness to it to me that I like. and And don't you think that this is more specific because other.
00:45:17
Speaker
Uh, I, I know I said, I didn't want to invoke Diablo, but, uh, David old Russell movies. a block cody Yeah. But a lot of this director's movies have, have performances and characters that will be like spiraling or going through some stuff. But there's something very specific about the energy that you were just talking about, like the quirk in this that I think that's to Jeff Bana. Cause like the films of his that I've seen, there's like a really dry wind. They're like kind of.
00:45:47
Speaker
It makes sense that he's married to Aubrey Plaza because like his sense of humor seems to be like sardonic and like very... Oh, so he found where the African guy lives. This is maybe my favorite scene.
Cultural Clashes and Dinner Scenes
00:45:58
Speaker
He's he's just gonna... He's like, i I need to know what this means, so I'm gonna find... And yeah, Mark Waller was totally down. He's like, yeah, let's have dinner with these guys. Nice. But there's people who are at this family. Jonah Hill playing basketball. You'll see more of him at the dinner table.
00:46:16
Speaker
Uh, the dad from Step Brothers. Oh, Jean Smart. Uh... Jonah Hill. Damn. Yeah. Really young. Like, the pretty super bad. I don't know who she is. She kinda looks... Wait, you said this is a foster home? Yeah, yeah. He's like a refugee. And they've they've taken him in. <unk>s it That's not Ben Kingsley. No, it's the dad from Step Brothers.
00:46:43
Speaker
Oh yeah. I see him now. I see him under that but beard. like it's I think it's a fake beard. It looks fake, yeah. It looks pretty fake, but I almost think that's intentional because like I think you're going to see that this family's kind of fake. like they're not They're a little genuine. and ah ingenu Is Jonah Hill an asshole? Is he doing a super bad character? He's just like a teen. I don't think he's like malicious. Some specific teen. Yeah.
00:47:20
Speaker
He plays games at the dinner table, you know? He's that kind of kid. and I know that's the stepbrother's dad, but when it cut to him, my brain just goes, Sir Ben Kingsley. I mean, he Ben Kingsley looks like that in a lot of movies.
00:47:38
Speaker
It's like the mustache is like right on point. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's good casting. Uh, I also just like when he was talking about the existential issues and the daughter was like, we don't have to ask those kinds of questions. Do we mom? And they're like, no, o like that this is a very Christian family. And that's actively, I mean, in my mind, you stop it, God. So you don't have to ask those questions. You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:48:09
Speaker
I know we, uh, don't really do mini series or, uh, Like commentary commitments, like we used to doing like full series. Um, just cause the workload ends up being a lot, but, uh, life after Beth was in the eight 24 one that I had pitched. I had like three, uh, under discussed eight 24 horrors. It was life, life after Beth tusk and one other oh slice. I mean, we we don't even have to do it all consecutively. We can just like do them when we get to them. as others I'd be totally down.
00:48:44
Speaker
So, so basically this has already turned to a heated argument because like he, he sees what he does preserving open spaces in conflict with like, okay, the, the dad's like, well, my company is building people, is building stuff that helps people. Like if we were tearing down forests, like it's still good because we were creating jobs and like helping a functioning economy and uh, him and Mark Wahlberg were like, well, it's it's not a it's you know they they were they even called him a socialist for a second. He's like, it's not socialism. It's about ah not forgetting what happens in the the meadow at dusk. And Jonah Hill was like, what happens in the meadow at dusk?
00:49:26
Speaker
This is a good line. But he is. He most definitely is.
00:49:34
Speaker
I love that not only does Mark have Jason Swartz's back like as soon as he meets him, but he's ready to... Like like you said, like he's utilizing his hothead in this, but then i this almost just feels like he's just falling through on his... He's like, I'm not gonna hold my tongue on my beliefs. like you You're full of shit, and I'm gonna call you out in front of your children at the dinner table.
00:49:59
Speaker
Oh, now it's circling back to his main issue, which is petroleum. Cause this guy has like a huge car or something.
00:50:10
Speaker
That is like i the first place or one of the places he met him was at an autograph store. So he just needs to know like, yeah, why are autographs important to you? Look at him playing games at the dinner table. So on an old phone, was he playing caterpillar? Yeah.
00:50:29
Speaker
but I love that. I gave you brain too, you messed it up.
00:50:43
Speaker
You see what I'm saying about his character? Like he would not play someone like this now. Yeah. Who's like going on like... God, he sucks now. Yeah. What a fucking white bread loser.
00:50:59
Speaker
i I don't know this so every time I watch that scene I've I cuz like some movies when they stop to get overly that active like the characters are gonna talk politics it can be very grating and annoying even if I agree with like what they're saying but there's something about it gets so chaotic in there so fast that like arguments spontaneously do kind of happen like that sometimes and especially when two very different people are like Forced to like like wait a minute. Do I hate everything about you right now? Yeah
00:51:38
Speaker
And he's using the, you know, he's been reading this nihilist. He's saying everything we saw in there confirms that nothing's connected. Like, why would there the Sudanese refugee who's like, why would all the civil war and killing in his country like that seems to not support that there's any meaning to this, you know?
00:52:01
Speaker
You know, one thing I was kind of curious about, like, not to bring up El Diablo, but... Let's just keep calling him that. like yeah beyond yeah I wonder if you are a writer working with or under a writer who or a director who who's like an auteur or like who just sucks who's an asshole yeah does any of that end up in your writing of that person's script it are you putting a little bit like something like this character's an asshole because the fucking director like are you is there anything I get what you're saying
00:52:40
Speaker
Yeah. What if that's been transferred to? and Like, is there some kind of David O. Russell analog in here that we got? Jude Law. I don't know. I was wondering a little bit. You know, he. I don't know. I don't know enough about him other than the horrible, horrible thing that I was going to say accused, but he just admitted he like he did. That's the more that's even kind of multiple assholes in this movie.
00:53:04
Speaker
yeah that is true and i was just like thinking like i wonder if any of these are like an analog of it for oh russell just even maybe unconsciously yeah i feel like it would have to come out as a writer you're writing from personal experience right you draw what you know what you're going through in the moment is my boss is an asshole and guess my co-worker sucks Well, right, because this isn't even... Jude Law's not his boss, but they have to work together, and now Jude Law's taking this power from him and trying to force him out. And that seems like a contemptuous work relationship that, uh, I don't know. David O. Russell's dictating it. He was like, the relationship we have, put that in the script. Slave boy? Yeah.
00:53:56
Speaker
as he's dyeing his hair. just like Mark Wahlberg's at this like corporate meet. He has nothing to do with this other than being on riot or die for Jason Swartz. And now he's gone straight to patrol.
00:54:14
Speaker
So Jude Law, does he respect Wahlberg? and oh the care No, not at all. He... he So he thinks they're both idiots then? Yes. Okay.
00:54:25
Speaker
Yeah, see, he's like, he's saying that that that's the kind of idealism that that like Jason Swartzman's useless poems represent, that it's like, Instead of this nuts petroleum fixation and I just Mark Wahlberg's looking youre like oh, he's about to demolish this guy i shoved him and That's like funnier than punching yeah, ah and the way he shoved it it's like off frame to like the way it's framed He's like get out of here. It was very child alike and Jude lost taller than him, too. Mm-hmm
00:55:00
Speaker
that That was a good shove. It was like so just awkward and weird enough. Yeah. I've never seen that. is like Would that happen in real life? I don't think it would look like that. Because that's another adult. He had to like force him to the ground. Right. That's how angry he was.
00:55:24
Speaker
I wonder if I could shove some, I feel, I wonder if it's harder being taller and doing that. That's fucking weird. I like it. It is so funny. So while we're keeps, all these things keep happening to him. He's like, you just lost your job. That's proof that this is all meaningless, you know, like.
Nihilism and Emotional Vulnerability
00:55:45
Speaker
like that's You don't want to hear positive reaffirmations about there being something good to think about when you're at your lowest. you're like It feels more comforting to know like, no, this is all shit because that's the way it works.
00:55:59
Speaker
I think that might be why I find No Country for Old Men so comforting and why it might be my favorite. Like I need some nihilism right now. Maybe it is my depression. There is just something I find comforting in like- Oh, this visual is- Well, the world isn't fair and- He's breastfeeding Jason Swartzman. Ew.
00:56:17
Speaker
That's fucking gross. Because he was telling him, your energy has been recycled through every one. You've been every other kind of predator, prey, mother, son to to ah Brad before. And then he literally pictures it and he's like, no. I also like that they both bike. like I think that's the real reason Mark Wahlberg was right or die initially. He's like, oh, you don't drive a car. I can fuck with you.
00:56:45
Speaker
Probably. I mean, that's his core thing. Damn. I love they have the firefighter boots while biking too. He's not even working, but he's still wearing the boots. He's got a look. He just left Wahlberg behind. I think Wahlberg, they split up for some reason. So yeah, we're about to formally meet her.
00:57:13
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe it's older women. Maybe it's French women. I think she's pretty hot. She's French. Yeah. oh we wait And she's a Nihilist. She's like telling me that nothing here nothing means anything. Like, I'm like, that's hot, baby. Damn, she's about to crash that car riding a chicken. She's like, this nothing means everything. anything We're going to die. See, that's to be, like Nihilism makes a lot of sense to me other than it really doesn't give you a reason to not kill yourself. Because like, if there is nothing and no reason for anything,
00:57:52
Speaker
It doesn't, it's like, why am I here? and You thrust everything into anarchy then. Well, the idea of like Nietzsche, like if you actually read Nietzsche, you know, the father of nihilism, it's not that like life has no meaning, so fuck it all. It's more that like, there's no inherent meaning because there's no God dictating that. So you decide it. You're God. Throw it all into anarchy.
00:58:21
Speaker
ruin everything become a joker become the jokester he already kind of has hair for joke being coming a joker Schwartzman yeah give him a mustache they they fall they drive into a mustache yeah you want to know how i got this mustache My father was a drinker. i he He just ate a Twizzler and then threw it out the window, I think. What kind of Twizzler? Pollen peel or your standard cherry? Strawberry.
00:58:59
Speaker
I mean, it's book I want to buy it's seductive. It's it's cool to have a ah a sexy French lady representing nihilism because it's a seductive argument. It's like, ah I don't know. You're making some sense here. You're telling me that.
00:59:18
Speaker
Tell me it's all a bunch of bullshit. Have you heard of the book? ah Life is no one knows it. No.
00:59:31
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Um, life as no one knows it. Yeah. What is life? This is amongst the most difficult, open problems and signs right up there with the nature of consciousness and the existence of matter. All the definitions we have, we have fall short and unhelp us understand how life originates or the full range of possibilities of what life on other plant, planets might look like. It's like a super long description, but that sounds interesting I mean, that sounds like my kind of thing.
01:00:03
Speaker
ah Here, I'll read more before I read it out loud, so I'm not reading the whole crazy thing. This this the scene's got got some good stuff, though, because that's his real mom. That's Jason Swartzman's real mom. I believe the actress' name is Talia. Whatever. She's another Copa. She heard her last name was not Copla, but she's she's in the family. And that's his stepdad. And they're immediately kind of he came to their place because that's where the the French lady took him and they immediately start ignoring him. And now she's here to prove a point.
01:00:39
Speaker
I want to talk more about the book, but there's this there's just something about this scene that I think about. old I brought it up when we were driving to I don't remember what movie, but there's she's she's going to read something from his journal as a child and like use this to to prove his point.
01:00:57
Speaker
I mean, though that wasn't the main point, but I was kind of telling that the stepdad who was there when he was a kid did not recognize his, you know, that's still your son, your son's handwriting as a kid. You don't, you were immediately like, man, that's, that's from when he was a kid.
01:01:13
Speaker
ah I don't recognize my handwriting from when I was a kid. I know if I'd give a shit about not my kid's handwriting. But that is a kid. I don't know. The bullshit your kids do mean a lot to parents. To good parents.
01:01:35
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oh
01:01:38
Speaker
I'll become a bad parent and then I'll figure it out. Yeah.
01:01:51
Speaker
So, is I forgot how old he was supposed to be, eight. His cat got ran over and his mom told him instead of mourning the cat, that he had to entertain a guest over. And so he ran away from home and went to his friend, told his friend his cat died and then he cried. Damn, what a baby.
01:02:15
Speaker
Either nut up or shut up, dude. But she's immediately ch- this thing that happened so many years ago is like, yeah, so this friend, like, what was the big deal? Like, why were you not comforting your son? The loss of a cat is such a- loss of a pet's a huge thing, especially for a child. Or get proactive, do some research, find an Indian burial ground, and bury your cat there so it'll come back to life.
01:02:43
Speaker
shit It's painful enough to feel sad, but on top of it, to feel embarrassed for feeling. That's, I've thought about that sentiment in line so many times where I'm like, when did I train my, I don't think my parents did anything in that kind of way, but like at some point I trained myself to be more reserved in a certain way. i mean i'm a you know i i can I can be open to certain people about ah emotional things, but like I feel like there's like a self-consciousness. It's really just a fear that's like, well, if people see me in this state,
01:03:24
Speaker
that's like weakness or something or like, I don't know, like not around you, but I just mean in general, there's like almost like a ah reflexive thing that like makes me really self conscious and self aware of that kind of thing. And like, I don't know that that kind of thing makes me think of that. Do you feel like you wouldn't be able to cry in front of anybody or everybody? I could, but I would be trying not to.
01:03:53
Speaker
And then it would probably just come bubbling out later at some random moment. So she said, you know, not that the existential detectives are right, but you guys are, you are linked to the Sudanese refugee. He was orphaned by civil war. You were orphaned by indifference.
01:04:20
Speaker
Sometimes I do wonder if I should be less open about my emotions. I'm pretty open about, uh, how I'm feeling whenever I'm feeling it, even if it's like pretty casual and not even like a full conversation, but it's like, I feel like I will be an open book if depending on the situation, it depends on, it depends on the audience, but sometimes even for people who you're supposed to tell, every and you're all fucking open up my life story.
01:04:51
Speaker
almost be more like almost for the sake of like I'm never gonna see this person and again maybe they I've a dude I've told some super personal shit to some lift drivers before like oh that's what's going on commit thing when strangers just tell me shit there'll be people that I've never encountered before and they tell me like really personal intimate things I'm like oh do i just have that vibe or or that you can trust i mean you can trust me with it or but the show and practical jokers i've argued can sometimes function as a social experiment and that was something they would do uh they would walk up to someone and be like hey secret for a secret and they would be like or get something off my chest and they would
01:05:31
Speaker
tell a fake thing and then most of the time the other person would share something that sounded legit and was pretty like serious like I've got a girlfriend and I'm hooking up with this other blah blah blah you know and their face would actually be blurred so they didn't find the thing and I was like I feel like this does kind of work as a social experience like people will be vulnerable with you you just fucking get that shit out yeah probably feels good
01:05:59
Speaker
So that's all Jason Schwartzman seeing. No one else visualizes. They were imagining it too. That's just like our representation of it. Everybody visualizes the visuals then? Yeah. Okay. So everyone saw the breastfeeding.
01:06:17
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I mean, that's my take on it. that he is He's the main guy we're seeing it through him, but they're in the scene and they're giving him the image, so he's also they're also seeing that. Like is Wahlberg seeing it? Well, because he was debating it with him, so it was acting like he could. But I mean, that's kind of the joke, though, because he came up and said, you can't see any of this stuff, can you? And Wahlberg was like, well, no, but I want to debate the Particle Cube thing.
01:06:46
Speaker
I like that he debates. Again, Wahlberg's not going to see him do that in any role now. I wonder if it's saying something that Wahlberg likes. Oh, Russell. Yeah, I picked him for the fighter. He's he's worked with him multiple times. um I mean, Christian Bale still works with him. The Bale thing. I mean, Bale just likes to be abused.
01:07:15
Speaker
that I also think because I'm not you know I didn't watch Amsterdam but like i was like on your high heels and step on me all all the free all the past few El Diablo movies or we're really even though this movie has performances that go big but like His most recent things, like you get to do capital A acting, you know, in his stuff where you like- You did Amsterdam? Yeah. That was him, right? That thing's a pile of shit. It's embarrassing. Yeah. I forgot, though. I forgot that was O. Russell. That movie sucks, dude. He should be banned just for that, bro. It sucks hard.
01:07:54
Speaker
hu Yeah, fuck him. Yeah. Uh, so... Naomi Watts found out that he was going to existential detectives and he had written this sad poem and she was like, well, are you depressed? This seems like you said like you're drowning. He said, I only wrote drowning to rhyme with frowning. Like, like he's faking all this, but she's like, doesn't get why would you fake, you know, going through this kind of emotional distress like that. I only wrote drowning to rhyme with frowning. Drowning to rhyme with frowning.
01:08:34
Speaker
How do you feel about pigtails? Uh, I'm not going to request them, but for the, you know, if a girl I like is rocking them, I'm be like, hell yeah. Do you? I mean. Yeah. I've had girlfriends who have done pigtails and I've never been opposed to, but it's never been like my first. It's always been too. need that. It's been to Britney Spears school girl for me. i've I feel like she's in my mind since I was a kid is like Britney Spears school. I've just never been a fan 2004 2005. They probably intentionally evoking that right? Yeah. All that to say those Naomi Watts pulls it off. She's beautiful. She looks like she should be like a fighter in a video game.
01:09:23
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to i in Like Soul Calibur gives her like a sword. I love that. She should be in the next Soul Calibur, Namco. Just like that, you know? A hundred percent. Running on a beach with like fucking Nightmare or something. Link. He was in one of them. Yeah, bring him back. I love that they're immediately because they're so invasive with everything.
01:09:48
Speaker
that they were just saying, how's the sex? And then they said, because they're spying, like with Albert, they're like, well, our surveillance says it's infrequent and doesn't last long. And they said, are you spying on us? And they're like, well, just audio. We just listen.
01:10:09
Speaker
He I think she initially said a much. shorter length of minutes in heaven, like a little Freudian slip of that, yeah, the sex doesn't last long. I forgot what the number was. Then she correct herself and said eight. So I think maybe she said like two minutes or something. Something less than eight. Damn.
01:10:33
Speaker
They come out of left field because like they're i mean they're talking about sex and relationship. He's just like, well, I'm not having kids, just overpopulation.
01:10:49
Speaker
And like, I personally, at least at this moment, don't want to have kids, but if someone I truly love is like, wants to have, you know, like, seems like she wants to talk about it, you know, or like consider it at least, not right now with these detectives, but like, it seems like that she and maybe didn't sign up for the no kids relationship. So it's like, you should figure out that shit before you get too deep into it, maybe, of like, where are we working towards here? At least for long-term things, like. Yeah.
01:11:22
Speaker
Damn, two minutes must be nice, man.
01:11:26
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yeah
01:11:32
Speaker
I was like, do I want to make that joke on Mike? Yeah. Say that because it just lasts too long for me. That's why. Can we wrap this up? It's like the Oscars playing someone off like, come on. Okay. I keep saying this every scene, but I love this scene because this is like some exercise the author gave them where they're just using a rubber ball to hit themselves. And they're like, Oh.
Humor as a Coping Mechanism
01:11:58
Speaker
you stop thinking so to me that's like that looked like it would hurt that that actually did hurt but in terms of the metaphor of like like well that he didn't know they were filming he just did that assaulting his co-worker at lunch he's like oh is this in the movie
01:12:24
Speaker
So, you know, it's like, how do you deal with the unfairness and cruelty of life? If only there was a way to just turn off your brain. And so that's what I feel like this rubber ball is supposed to be like, like, yeah, there's a way to escape the the drama and like suffering. You just fucking numb yourself. I mean, I've definitely been through a period with I mean, we just, you know, inherently on its own, not a problem, but like the way I was like being just constantly high all the time every day, at at certain points in my life was definitely like, I'm not trying to be present, you know? And so I've definitely maybe not consciously done that, like where I'm like, I'm doing that, but then thinking back like, yeah, I was like running away or not wanting to deal with, um,
01:13:24
Speaker
It's just a vicious cycle. Yeah.
01:13:30
Speaker
Cause she's trying to tell them the ball doesn't, it relieves the, the, you know, the existential suffering, but you can't do, you have to do the suffering part, you know, like that that's part of the deal.
01:13:46
Speaker
The only way I've been able to clear my mind completely and eliminate all thoughts is through, um, guided meditation. I should get into that. That seems like a healthy way to do it. Yeah. And every now and then I'll randomly get a moment. Just like the window hit me or like the sun will hit my face in the right way. And I'll just end up being like fully present and, uh,
01:14:16
Speaker
in the moment and I'll just kind of stand there, sit there, whatever I'm doing and live in that moment. And it's like so infrequent. But then I usually think to myself, myself those are usually the moments where I think to myself, like, I'm really glad that I'm sober, like, yeah whatever. I would never have the rare moments of that when I was drinking. And even though they're rare,
01:14:40
Speaker
um They happen. now Yeah. If you're numb, how are you supposed to not, not only does that block out this, you know, whatever you, it can, it can numb bad emotions to an extent, but like you're blocking out the beauty too. You know, this is a weird sex scene. Uh, they ditched Wahlberg and.
01:15:01
Speaker
Now they're just rubbing dirt on each other. Yeah. So she's preaching against the existential people or is she? Yes, she's opposed to them because she's saying that connection. I don't know how I feel about this. What is happening? It's a dirty sex scene. Literally? Yeah.
01:15:24
Speaker
I mean, doesn't going down on someone feel like that sometimes? just fuck Honestly, when, when you said that my mind did go to a specific moment. So I guess, yes. Yeah. That's what it's like.
01:15:43
Speaker
Although the's correct the score there and the way they're framing this, like it seems dark. that They're, they're fucking on a log in the mud. It's dirty outside.
01:15:59
Speaker
So Naomi Watts arc is great. Cause like one hanging out one time alone with existential detectives. She's just like. wearing a bonnet and completely, these are new ads she tried to film. I like it. If a Walmart ad did this, I'd be like, you know what? They're being honest. I would- I'd be like, you know what I see when I see that model? I see attainable.
01:16:31
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She's still flailing on the ground. I see defeated and available.
01:16:43
Speaker
this is such good exchanges like one two lies she's like you can't deal with my infinite nature he's like that's not true what does that even like i i don't i've never had an argument specifically like that with with like a significant other but there's been times where i like refute a point and then think about like what did i just agree or not agree to like what'd you say Although i'm on I'm on her side on this instance, because he's, I mean, maybe not for work filming ads like that is not productive, but like, it I don't need my girlfriend to be made up at home all the time. Like, because that's basically what this conflict is of like, she's like, do I have to be pretty all the time? And it's like, no, you should be you be comfortable. He's saying that.
01:17:32
Speaker
She's asking do I need to be pretty all the time and he's saying no. He's like, yeah, you can't come into work looking like that. Oh But I think also the implication being I don't want to come home to you looking like that. Yeah Man, it's it's now you see me not Amy Adams It's uh the book version of Amy Adams. and Wasn't she with Sacha Baron Cohen for some period? Oh, I don't know. But, uh, she's the book version, Amy Adams and nocturnal animals. Oh, that's right. Yeah. It's Amy Adams. So that's supposed to be like John Hall's analog frame.
01:18:18
Speaker
She's in Talladega Nights. Is she? right Amy Adams is in Talladega Nights. Amy Adams is in Talladega Nights. She's in Arrival, right? Mine was ah was being serious. Yours sounds like a joke. I wanted to keep going. She was in Catch Me If You Can. She was in Night Bitch.
01:18:45
Speaker
I guess we'll have to rewatch Night Bitch. People can't see the face I was making. A video medium because you're missing this. I'm like so tired. I feel like I've had more moments of silence than I've realized. I don't know. I feel like it's a good state to watch this kind of movie where you're kind of out of it. Dude, I was like crashing on my way home from work.
01:19:09
Speaker
Yeah. Sometimes when I'm like just falling. Angry butt. There's such good like little physical bits like Mark Wahlberg shoving him the way she like does a butt. po that It's like a Mario Brothers move or something.
01:19:25
Speaker
And like these characters own
Actor Authenticity and Role Embodiment
01:19:28
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it. Like yeah they do it with not just regular confidence, but the confidence that their characters would have doing in these most ridiculous things. It's like kind of some of the most I've really seen actors own their roles before. I that's this movie really works for me on that level. I'm really locked into performances, but I like how ah Maybe more awful people should be put in charge of things. Is that the take-away? Roan Plansky, what are you doing? No, okay ah You did say the bully wins
01:20:04
Speaker
Hmm. Yeah, it happens a lot. ah But I just like how everyone who was listening, like the existential detectives, Shia LaBeouf's dad from Transformers, everyone, as soon as she said, because he said to her, Huckabees is giving you everything she said. Fuckabees. And then everyone reacted like she said the n-word. They were like.
01:20:24
Speaker
That is the n-word in this universe. And then they sent Jude Law to like... I was about to say, there's only white people, but then I remembered this time. The African? Yeah. That's why that's so um important to him. He's like, I've never seen this before. This actually means something. He's subtly racist.
01:20:46
Speaker
ah she's also realizing that he was using the existential detectives because he's trying to talk her down saying like yeah you don't have to listen to those guys like I just used I got corporate I got the promotion are you just saying you ah agree with Jude Law no I'm saying he's right right yeah everything he did was good oh so yeah this is like He basically, Jedi-minded, talked her into this. She's like, I don't have a choice. I guess I have to be pretty all the time. He's like, yeah, well, you should share your gift.
01:21:26
Speaker
It's like really manipulative, kind of gross. I mean, not, I want my girlfriend to look nice. Like if so she's dressed up, I'd be like, wow, boom, you know? And whether it's for her or for me, or I don't care if you're even sure she's even going to show that look off, even if it's just like at home. But like, ah she also doesn't need to do that for me. You know, like I'm not going to be like, like fucking make yourself pretty. We need to start getting contracts involved in marriage, you know?
01:21:57
Speaker
Like they do in the countries where your parents kind of force you to get married, there are contracts involved in that. how excitinging um I had older Greek coworker who was telling me about it. his His wife, it was arranged since they were kids and they had like specific contracts of things that they would fulfill for each other within the marriage. Like down to like specific times a week, specific days. It was like super specific. It was like a legit contract that they signed.
01:22:25
Speaker
Damn, I didn't realize it got that I don't know all cultures are like that but at least this Greek family did that like decades ago I Mean he was like almost he was in his mid 70s when I met him. Okay. He was in this contractual marriage for a long time.
01:22:49
Speaker
So she's so opposed to the detectives that she didn't like him combining their methods just then. Cause he was imagining the tree thing, but instead of the positive affirmations or sucking out negativity, it was just her and a tree saying like, everything's going to go away. You can't save the marsh or whatever. And she's like, no, don't do that. Don't combine our shit. Like that's not compatible. Damn. And he didn't know they were fucking. So this is kind of like a betrayal cause they were,
01:23:18
Speaker
Yeah, she's like, she was my teacher. This is a good proof. He's so sad. It's both of their teachers. I mean, he was learning from her before James Swartzman got involved and now they're fucking and doing stuff without him. But now he's like, Oh, that was Wahlberg's teacher in the tree.
01:23:39
Speaker
Yes. Okay, I couldn't remember whose memory thing that was- No, I mean, it was Jason Swartzman's memory, but like, Wahlberg was, you know, reading her work and talking to her beforehand.
01:23:57
Speaker
Damn, what a betrayal.
01:24:05
Speaker
This is the worst thing that happened to Mark Wahlberg since they made him be in Boogie Nights. I'm sorry, I was just laughing at what you said and just... He's pushing the lamp. Yeah, he's selling that and he's really sad, but he's also so funny. Like you compared him to like a child's anger before and that's kind of where he's like, well, I'm going to go to even lonelier place of darkness now. He's like, I can do nothing that's even better.
01:24:37
Speaker
This is classic bully stuff. The fucking annoying like parroting. I'm just going to say back the thing you said. and He's, he's trying to, you know, he already got what he wanted. He got the office and the promotion. So he's like, I'm going to fire
Existential Detectives and Sibling Stories
01:24:49
Speaker
you guys. Have you ever done that in an argument? No repeated something back with like a shitty tone. I don't think I've done that either. I just, I don't know if it's been done back to, I don't know if that's been done to me before either. I feel like it's been done to me.
01:25:15
Speaker
So he thinks he's so savvy he can outmaneuver them, but then, and like, I think they knew as soon as he came to their office that, like, he's full of shit. I mean, they're, they're weird, but they're not idiots. And they're like pointing out, like, okay, you go to the cops or something, it's going to come out. You went to existential detectives, which either means you are having weird existential problems or you're faking them, which is kind of weirder, you know?
01:26:00
Speaker
And I like that it's all for the purpose of like, they're like, well, no, you can't fire us and you can't go to the cops, but also we're still gonna keep working your case. like Like forcing you to do therapy, basically.
01:26:25
Speaker
I don't think I'd cry if I had a fat brother. but also he was. Yeah. I had a feeling he's he satisfying fake out though. There's something dude laws just got a fucking he's he her face. He's so good at this kind of thing.
01:26:51
Speaker
He's not appreciated enough as an actor. I hope he's going to be like back back and not just in like some silly Star Wars stuff that no one watches, but like I like, yeah, do more stuff like The Order. It's funny that I said he should be in Star Wars like the day the Star Wars thing came out. ah ah Everyone was so thinking about Skeleton Crew and like awaiting it.
01:27:21
Speaker
man um so making in our order episode i think you know they put him in a star wars you're like nick have you been on rotten tomatoes or any news media thing lately you've read anything about star wars so they were you know confronting him about him being like shallow and not like an attentive older brother and in his mind he's a good older brother because he gives his brother shit you know like he got him a car or whatever and he's like well my brother's boring and he said and repetitive and he's like oh kind of like you in the in the first corporate scene when they introduced him he is telling a story about how Shania Twain he met her and she doesn't
01:28:06
Speaker
like Mayo, and he lied to her and said that the sandwich didn't have Mayo, and she ate it and liked it. And like, everyone was like, like, Ah, he got her to change her mind. Like, that's a great story. And now they're just playing. There's like, he tells that story all the time. This is like, cuz he's just like, I'm not boring. Like, my brother like, Oh, okay. So here's like, 20 versions of you saying the same story.
01:28:43
Speaker
he's playing it really well and this is like the first real crack we're seeing because he's felt he's acted like he's been in control the whole time if that were me i would have been like stop it okay after like the second one i'd be like i get it i'm that kind of person that i get it okay you don't need to tell me i'll fucking i'll change i'll do better fine I also like the exchange he just said, like, why do you think I tell the story? And he's like, it's propaganda. And he's like, for Mayo? And he's like, for you.
01:29:21
Speaker
I think that she's knitting. Yes. no There's a lot of good business during like, you know, like, it's, it's hard to make just so many dialogue scenes be compelling. But then it was like, yeah, like, she's just and and also that tells you something about her character. This all feels like it was on the paper.
01:29:39
Speaker
Yeah, there's a specificity to it. Even though I know Jeff Bayner's own movies, the ones he directs, I think he does do a fair amount of improv, but like i don't I don't know what El Diablo, how he runs his sets. Yeah, I wouldn't say props are probably improved. No, yeah, that's what she just had that honor.
01:30:03
Speaker
Oh, that's such a fuck. That's almost like the line of the movie
Acting Challenges and Physical Performance
01:30:07
Speaker
because they were like, if you don't tell the story, will you not be yourself? And he's like, how am I not myself? So now that's just repeating in his head now. How am I not myself? How am I not myself?
01:30:21
Speaker
How are you not yourself? Everything you do authentic is you. But then you're authentic you're authentically being inauthentic. Because he's inauthentic, but he is really being inauthentic. You know what I mean? That is him. Like, you can't really not be yourself. What about fraudulent?
01:30:45
Speaker
But you're authentically being fraudulant. Yeah, I'm trying to find work. yeah How can you, can you spin the word fraudulent? Not getting out of this one.
01:30:59
Speaker
I pull up synonyms for, synonym for fraudulent. Yeah.
01:31:11
Speaker
and tuna. Right after he's like, I don't have to tell it. And he's ah immediately trying to change the subject. It's a good performance by a guy who started unraveling like a minute ago. This was really like setting him up for his Captain Marvel performance. i It was weird that he has a Shania tuna story in Captain Marvel also.
01:31:38
Speaker
He can't even like get it out. He's like physically, um this is a good like physical performance he's doing here. I mean, imagine you don't know, you know, this is his first time at the corporate, this corporate level in this meeting. I was about to ask, what if he just threw up? And then I think he just swallowed it back. Would you do that?
01:32:01
Speaker
No, I would let it out because then people would be like, oh, he's sick. If you try and swallow your own throat back, then you look like a fucking psycho. Also, man, I've always been able to tell when I'm going to throw up. Yeah.
01:32:17
Speaker
Have I ever thrown up from like stress though? I feel like it's usually just like physically I am like really ill. The only time I've thrown up when I like truly didn't expect it was after this like van flip car accident I got it in like 2015.
01:32:34
Speaker
Um, I had to like, I like rushed to the bathroom and I didn't even know I had to throw up, but right when I got into the stall, I just projectile vomited just straight into the toilet. Like I i know at least I was like, my body was in shock. We tumbled down a hill like five times in a van. Oh damn. Yeah. That was the only time where I like was like, whoa, that puke didn't feel that coming.
01:33:02
Speaker
Yeah. So there's a fire, he's riding his bike and the truck is stuck in ah traffic. So I guess bike wins. I mean, he doesn't have any water to put out the fire, but, uh, you know, the he's like dancing in the around. man he's have a good tough fire extinguisher yeah He could at least like in a bag or something.
01:33:31
Speaker
Oh, and here's the other thing, because we saw Jason Swartzman lighting fire to somewhere. It was Jude Law's house. So she's like passed out from the smoke.
01:33:43
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a
01:33:46
Speaker
I like that you just got this like pilgrim. I love the bonnet. Look, it's so weird and like, Also, I don't know. There's so many face. The faces are funny, but. There's something about like she passed out from smoke inhalation. He's probably losing some oxygen too now, but they're like having a moment.
01:34:17
Speaker
She her face. Wow.
01:34:25
Speaker
And she initiates the kiss, so it's consensual, guys. So if a guy- I Some people might think it's like, oh, well, she was kind of passed out and then they're like making out. Is that weird? like I mean, if you're sober and a drunk girl starts macking on you. I would still probably be like, whoa. think i think they're both not sober, though, because he passed. like How long in a smoke filled place do you start like getting affected by that? Pretty quickly, right? like Once the brain starts having
Moral Satisfaction and Self-awareness
01:34:59
Speaker
less oxygen, you get dumb quick.
01:35:03
Speaker
so they're both sexually assaulting each other he cancels each other out also do gasoline cans just say gas all the ones that i've ever seen are like the ones my my dad has it's like a red can but it's not just like a video game like gas shoot this to blow up yeah
01:35:34
Speaker
Would that be kind of in a full day? I know he, he lost shit so quick. If you're sitting in a big pile, there would there be something kind of satisfying about seeing your mortal enemies life ruined?
01:35:53
Speaker
Uh, probably. I would try it at least once.
01:36:00
Speaker
I've never had, I don't know if I've had something go terribly wrong for someone I would consider my mortal. I also don't have, yeah. I'm actually someone I've known in my life as they're a very talented person.
01:36:16
Speaker
I wouldn't say they're a good person. They're actively manipulative. They're they're a liar. They're all around a bad person. um For the most part, they've done nothing but succeed and just continue winning and just achieving. and Like going back to that's how the world rewards those kinds of people usually.
01:36:38
Speaker
It's usually not the norm that guys like that lose, but because he is talented. Yeah. And he's succeed based on his talents, but he's also not a good person. He saw the picture of Jew law, but his face was on it. Their arms are infinity. Their arms are infinity. They're spinning around. They're the same.
01:37:02
Speaker
He's having a breakthrough here, folks. Unlimited. Together we're unlimited. I mean, is it a corny sentiment that like, yeah. No, I like Wicked.
01:37:18
Speaker
No, not Wicked. I just mean... I know, but i was that's what I was singing. Yeah. You know? Yeah, no, Wicked. I wasn't insulting the movie by singing Wicked. no That wasn't me calling it corny. No, no, no, no. I was about to say that the sentiment... us I could see how someone could be like, okay, so is that the movie's just working towards you and your worst enemy? You're the same because you all will suffer, like you everyone goes through that. It's like not a complicated message, but... I don't know. There's someone in my life right now where I'm like
01:37:51
Speaker
I feel like, yeah like someone who like ah we kind of butt heads a little bit. When I look at them and I'm like, I feel like we are. Not that different. And I feel like we are going through similar life situations right now and we don't realize it or maybe they don't realize. I'm just kind of like thinking about, I'm like, I feel like you and I are going through something similar in life and that's why we're button heads. Yeah.
01:38:18
Speaker
I'm talking vaguely about a lot of my life situations. Yeah, no. I mean, we've done that out here. I almost got less vague about us a specific thing, especially when they're right. They would've given away what it was. But I like before- No, is it someone? I don't know.
01:38:38
Speaker
Yes, yeah, it is. ah but But no, we i'll I'll do off mic, because I can't even really talk around it without give giving away. But I like before he took off, that he was like, to that essential detective was like,
01:38:56
Speaker
Or he said to the the French lady first, like you're too dark and into the detectives, you're not dark enough. like Because I forgot when they gave that backstory away, she used to be like a student of the detectives until she branched off and went to the dark side. So you know he was you saying that, like no, the truth is somewhere in between the middle of you guys. And so like now the student has become the mess.
01:39:21
Speaker
When we last met, I was but a learner. Now the circle's complete. I am the master. I am James Earl Jones. I was gonna say, that sounded like James Earl Jones. And you're listening to CNN. He used to be the voice of CNN. Is that James Earl Jones? Yeah, Vader. Dude, Rogue One was on at the gym the other day. That would be fucked so hard.
01:39:44
Speaker
I like parts of it. i've I don't know. it's I'm interested if after Andor it hits for me more because I just kind of don't care about the characters when watching Rogue One. And the characters really hit when you're not hearing any of the dialogue.
01:40:00
Speaker
i don't even so I like an all visual movie experience sometimes. No, I don't need dialogue to establish characters. I just feel like, like, you know, everyone said that like, this is like, ah finally, Star Wars did a war movie. But the thing I don't like about war movies is that there's not like a ton of character development. Like, there's not arcs, really, other than for the main girl.
01:40:24
Speaker
Um, is We Th- We Three Kings, is that a war movie with character development? Three Kings? I haven't seen it actually. I haven't seen it either. They're like doing a heist though. They're like leaving the war to go rob something. That's a movie I flirted with watching so many times. Did you flirt with disaster? I did a little bit more with disaster. And then I named another movie that he did The Fighter. I don't know.
01:40:52
Speaker
Oh, that's a a Russell movie flirt with disaster. Yeah. It's weird how that worked out.
01:41:01
Speaker
Huckabee's the everything store. Yeah. Oh, he had to see that. when when When he saw Mark Wahlberg with his girlfriend, she said, do you love me? And he kind of has it. He's like, I think so. And she said, do you love me with the bonnet? And he was like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. If Naomi wants to ask me that, I'd be like, yeah, I love you. I'm dedicated to you forever. So he he fucked up.
01:41:37
Speaker
If any woman asked me if they like the way they look with the bonnet, I'd be like, yeah. You're you're the hottest bonnet wearer who's ever existed. Yeah, but you're beautiful.
01:41:48
Speaker
Thank you for talking to me. you think Please give me more attention.
01:41:56
Speaker
I will give you compliments, you give me attention, that's how this works. I make you feel good, you acknowledge I exist. Just like nod.
Comedy, Music, and Film Style
01:42:06
Speaker
Just be like, you don't even have to brush against me. Like a nod. You don't even have to be near me. I don't even have to face my direction. You bastard.
01:42:18
Speaker
yeah
01:42:25
Speaker
Just happy to be there.
01:42:32
Speaker
In an elevator where there's other people, it'd be just like imagine you're- Is there a wedding going on where they are? Well, it's like a banquet hall, so there's probably different events on- Every floor, okay. Yeah. And a picture of Amanda's most vulnerable moment, too.
01:42:51
Speaker
the but Great physicality. And I think it's just the framing two of it. Because it's almost like, you know, they say comedy, you shoot flat on with you kind of without the depth. But like, there's something about how the shot uses the space when they're doing these fights or shoves. Oh, they made infinity again.
01:43:13
Speaker
so we're connected are they supposed to be making infinity yeah i think that's the yeah a choice well because you saw them crossing arms earlier when he saw that so i think that's supposed to be like in love and in conflict and pain we are everyone you know like that is uh you know like our enemy is us
01:43:42
Speaker
and sinnay Yeah, like that the takeaway from that was she knew my name He only has one story Yeah, I have at least a few story. I like how this elevator keeps stopping moat. There's like plot development at every people they know at every level. Yeah so scar yeah Yeah, I feel like I never stop having stories. any You could say anything and usually it sparks some kind of story that I have. That's a good business card. Cruelty, manipulation, and meaninglessness. so like he was he gave He's sending Jew law to her. because i
01:44:27
Speaker
I feel like that that you need to go to that dark place to then get to the other side of the the equation. Like, it's kind of like everything everywhere. Like nihilism is, it's kind of inevitable once you start like thinking about these things. So like, just get through that. And he's got to apologize Mark Wahlberg now.
01:44:55
Speaker
That's his gayest line reading, okay? The way he was like, obviously.
01:45:01
Speaker
He would never also do anything like that again. He's like, I... Has he ever played a gay character? Mark Wahlberg, Chiman. You can't come on the show, but write us if you've played a gay character. Yeah. Let us know.
01:45:29
Speaker
Oh, he's got some Twizzlers. Yeah.
01:45:37
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The manure of human suffering. That's where it all comes from. Are you saying manure? Yeah. Cause that's the metaphor he used of like that the, interconnectedness thing. It's amazing, but the same time also nothing special because it's from the manure of human suffering.
01:46:02
Speaker
I love that they were fighting and now he's immediately ready to like, yeah, I'll chain myself up to a bulldozer with you.
01:46:17
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And yeah, I don't know, that's the movie. That's the last shot. Oh, nice.
01:46:27
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So to answer your earlier question, what? I'm gonna shizam this song real quick. Oh, I should just send you the soundtrack because this is the whole soundtrack is it's it's John Brian. I forget the name of this track specifically. I'm gonna shizam this one.
01:46:46
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They got it on Monday. Yeah. It's the same one they played it on. streaming. Spotify and Apple took it down. It used to be streaming. So when I want to listen to it, I just go on YouTube, but it's OK for premium so I can listen to it like it's streaming. Then you like but not do YouTube ads anymore. They were getting fucking out of hand. I i kind of just have.
01:47:13
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lost talents for ads. And if I can avoid it, like I have a plugin for my browser of like, I just not doing it. Even if I don't want to pay for the ad freeze, like I'm not, we're not doing this. But yeah, that's, I heard Huckabee's, uh, hopefully you guys like going on this journey. I mean, Nick was just shazamming the, the score. Go listen to it. it I think it John Bryan, he's done a lot of great, I think he did, uh,
01:47:42
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Uh, fuck. What's the thing that Charlie Kaufman wrote? Jim Carrey about erasing the memories. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I think he did the score for that. He did the score for Magnolia. like bla but but bla one of My favorites. Yeah. I also specifically like the songs we were hearing were just like the I don't know what you call it. the there's There's lyric versions of some of the songs in here. like ah Two specifically, one's called Knock Yourself Out. and you know like I've said to Nick off mic, I've used this movie so many times. like
01:48:24
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kind of help boost myself out. of the It's not just a movie itself. I gotta do other stuff to pull myself out of some some mental rut. But the the movie kind of does help me recenter my mindset. But if I don't have time to sit down and watch the whole thing, some of the soundtrack can like kind of you know jump jump start that process emotionally, but specifically the song, ah Knock Yourself Out, because that kind of does sum up everything that is going on thematically in the movie. Oh, they're about to to play it here, but the music video is great and also does something that you would never see Mark Wahlberg do again, because you see the composer, John Bryan, he's... No, he doesn't do that. But Wahlberg and Swartzman are in it, and they're kind of acting out the idea
01:49:11
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that Dustin Hoffman said earlier, that your energy's been every other relationship ever. So you're seeing them be different costumes through different time periods. Like they're a cowboy and an Indian. Sometimes they're fighters, sometimes they're lovers. And then- Oh, so they do. They kiss. ah So he has been gay. In the music video for Knock your if knock Yourself Out, Wahlberg's fucking making out with Jason Swartzman. Wahlberg, I saw it, man. It's his tone.
01:49:41
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I guess we don't, ah they turn so we don't see what what what's going in. Whose tongue's going in where? re new He had it in him. Hopefully Swartzman slipped a little tongue in his mouth, I don't know.
01:49:54
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So, yeah. I don't know what else to say about that. it's it's it's it's It's a good song. It's a good music video. ah The other one, yeah, the song is written by John Bryan. The other one that has lyrics, you only hear like the the medley when, I forgot when it plays, maybe when before he goes to see his parents or after he goes to see his parents. Cause it's the opposite. It's kind of a downer one. It's like, uh,
01:50:22
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it's it's basically about the nothing meaning nothing this but i like I like that those the two songs that have lyrics are like kind of the two extremes like one's just like whatever life sucks and then then you have this one knock yourself out which kind of has a whatever attitude but it's more like stop worrying about what any of this means in terms of like life and like like it because the one part in the lyrics is like uh why we're put in this mess is anybody's guess it might be a test or it might not be anything to worry about you know it's like myself how am i not myself how am i not myself how am i not myself how am i not myself
01:51:10
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How am I not myself? That's what El Diablo says to himself in the mirror every day. He's just jerking off. Oh god. I could see that being his activity he does in the mirror. Damn.
01:51:27
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fucking shrinking, beat Silo. It was number two and the Silo was one. Before we started, it was reversed, yeah. Yeah, ah so in the but hour and 46 minutes we were watching that movie shrinking, rose to the top of the Apple TV charts, the fall of Rome, is that what you're gonna say? No, I was gonna say, is it the fall of Rebecca Ferguson? Are we done with women leads?
01:51:56
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Just the tides are changed like Harrison Ford finally a man in a show. Yeah, finally. We're getting men in movies. I've just some shows Whatever it is, I don't know. Yeah, I don't watch it it is Isn't it kind of weird that Harrison Ford does TV but on streaming things that no one wants? Because he's on one of those Yellowstone miniseries. Isn't it weird that he's still working? He seems totally indifferent to the fact that he's working. I'm Thunderbolt Ross and I'm going to be a Red Hulk. Anytime he does like an interview, he's like, I don't know my character. Shut up, nerd. And then he punches the interviewer.
01:52:38
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Aren't you an actor? you're He's always like, i don't I just fucking wipe my ass with the script and yes ask them to kill my character. like This is a rom-com Harrison.
Celebrity Dynamics and Professional Ethics
01:52:54
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Okay, someone's father to reward listeners. I'm going to tell I'm not going to reveal the source of the story, but this was a friend who years ago used to like, I think I don't think there were a counselor at the summer camp. I think they went to the camp, but like a lot of actors had kids or family that went to this, this camp. Apparently Harrison Ford's This was like, you know, decades ago, his daughter was there and then he came to pick her up in his helicopter, landed like a little bit away from the camp. All these kids, yeah, of course, won his autograph, you know, it's fucking Harrison Ford, and he's signing stuff. And then it they kind of start piecing it together after he's already finished with that and and started leaving of like, he didn't sign his name. He signed them all.
01:53:42
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Smurfus, which is like Smurf and then US. I don't know what that's a reference to. I i would guess the Smurfs. I don't think Harrison Ford has any association with the Smurfs. I think he's just trolling people. I don't know. Your your friend told you that story? Because he was at the camp. Sounds like your friend made that up.
01:54:03
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a He has a lot of other anecdotes. Let's get him on the pod. I'm keeping his identity safe. Question this story. Let's get him and Harrison on the pod. i mean yeah i you know i don't know i'm a but he he's got He's got too much dirt on too many other actors. I don't want to blow up a spot because he also has a Chevy Chase anecdote. I think Chevy Chase had like a granddaughter there or something. So this is like a friend who would be in a position where he would and encounter these people then?
01:54:32
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um ah He was in a position when he was at that place, I don't think outside of that. I i mean i don't i don't know his whole life. Maybe maybe he doesn't count maybe he's like hanging with Harrison Ford right now. Maybe he's in the helicopter.
01:54:47
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I feel like you got to be in like a certain position to be hanging out or like in the same location as like celebrities, children or grandchildren. You have to be pretty like upscale. You have to brush against a certain social strata for sure. Yeah. You gotta be like Tom Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut status at least. Right. Like you're not at this- You gotta be a doctor.
01:55:12
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You got it. It's fucking lawyer. I was about to call him Nick. What's his name in Eyes Wide Shut? I just call him Tom Cruise. What's his character's name? Oh, I don't know. nick Nick's the piano guy. I thought that was just a documentary. It is. But then they edited in names. They were like, hey, Dr. Man.
01:55:36
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The funniest part about that movie, I know we already talked about it on our favorite first watches, it is a funny movie, is that everywhere he goes, he's flashing, he has like a doctor badge that he's flashing like he's a detective, you know, like, because he is doing some investigating, and he like flashes the thing like he's a cop, but he's not, he's a doctor. And like, do doctors actually have badges? Doctors write in.
01:56:01
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You've got to have something on you. I mean, otherwise anyone could just say they're a doctor. I like have to have CPR certification cards on me. Yeah. So I think like doctors, you know, and that's just, I don't know if I'm expected to perform CPR on the wild or like just at my job, but it probably does. It helps for like liability purposes. Well, if you're on a plane, someone's choking and you did nothing, you just watch them.
01:56:31
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I'd be like, not getting paid, not on the clock. My training was for work. Yeah, it feels disrespectful to my job. Feels like a conflict of interest a little bit. Feels like I'm not, my skills aren't being valued here. Hey, what'd the jokers say? My good friend, he said, if you're good at something, never do it for free.
01:56:53
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You know, yeah, my my job is pretty adamant about me not working when I'm not on the clock. So, uh, I'm going to just respect that. It's probably good policy. It's probably good that they don't have people doing their jobs after hours. They paid for my training. So I don't want to owe them since I'm kind of, I don't want them to think I'm using it as a hobby in some form.
01:57:22
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I don't know. I'm just imagining like some kind of sketch or scenario where someone's just like really into CPR. Like they're not even doing it to save people. It's just like almost like a fetish. They always rush to CPR. Yeah. It's just someone sleeping and they're like, huh? Well, let's wrap it up here. Yeah. No, um, that was, that was our two Huckabee's. I mean, we, we talked through it on Mike and like, you know, if we mentioned on Mike, it will happen at some point. It might, you know, who knows it if it'll happen.
01:57:53
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immediately or when, but I definitely would be down for, cause there's mostly blind spots with, uh, the Jeff Bain, uh, like actual filmography. Uh, so it was, it's life after Beth, Joshy, uh, horse girl. I don't know if I'm going in order. Um, Oh, oh, little hours, the nun one. And flash something, rush something, rush the flash.
01:58:23
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No, I'm just tossing that prem much there was like, spin me around, spin me around. That's what it was. yeah So I've seen all of those ones that I just listed. I've only seen two. So those bottles would be first watches. And I would, I definitely want to fill those in. I just think he's a really unique, uh,
01:58:41
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artistic voice and it's, it's really sad that we don't have them anymore. Cause like I said, I don't think, I don't think David O. El Diablo makes that movie in the same, like makes that movie in the same way. If, if it's not with that, that, that flavor that is what you were pointing out of like, just like that quirk is like a kind of unquantifiable thing, but yeah especially in this era, people were trying to like manufacture quirk, you know, like kind of like,
01:59:09
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especially like once indie dramedies were taking off and, uh, I, it, it doesn't feel manufactured, even though it's not a realistic mood. It's like heightened and like things are being played up and exaggerated. There's still like a,
Director Styles and Film Plans
01:59:25
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like so there's some kind of emotional grounding there that like keeps me in with those characters. But then also like what you said, I did you say like cynical or not cynical, uh, uh,
01:59:39
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I mean, oh, I would say from his work, he probably is kind of cynical. and I would assume who? Which person? Jeff Bana. Jeff Bana. I don't know if I called him cynical. No, no. Something about the tone. yeah don't You know, I said it was dry. Dry.
01:59:57
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Yeah. I don't know why I let from dry to cynical. Sometimes they're connected. Uh, that's what I thought you were getting at. But then I was like, wait, are you talking about? Oh, Russell. No. i't Call him cynical. Uh, I don't know what to call him other than rude. Go to jail.
02:00:13
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no Disrespectful misogynistic. I don't know. Creep. Yeah. Allegedly. He said he did it. So I meant that to my comment. Oh yeah.
02:00:28
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Okay. Um, yeah, Jeff Bana. Bana? Is it Bana or Bana? They say his name on I see you in hell or we'll see you in hell. Bana. How do you? Bana. Okay. That seems right. I don't know. I never, I don't, you know, hear it spoken out loud. So, but I, yeah, I was,
02:00:53
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We haven't really covered a lot. Not that his comedies or or his movies are like, you know, ha ha ha, you know, stepbrothers style comedies. But like, i've have we covered like comedies really in terms of like our commentaries?
02:01:10
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um Blade three. Okay, that was pretty funny. Um, yeah, I don't think we've done any type of comedy. course Of course, letterbox. Okay, now it's working. I mean, if you say spy kids, I would be like, Dana, I think. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I was trying to Eric, Dana, Bana, banna Munich.
02:01:41
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Yeah. Rented Munich from the library. But what are we saying that we got to wrap up? Yeah, no, no, let's, let's, let's wrap up. Uh, I was saying, uh, let's watch this stuff. Cause yeah, I don't think we've covered much comics and I think that'd be interesting. And I just want to see more of his stuff. I.
02:01:55
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ah this movie means a lot to me. i'm i'm I'm not expecting that same level of emotional attachment from his other work, but I like what I've seen of his other stuff, like in terms of directing. And I think, yeah, it's just, it's just a unique style, even if there's other stuff that's like kind of similar, similar styles of of humor, quirk, but like he has a specific thing he's doing or in, I just, so Yeah, I i wish wish he was still here to make more of it, but I wanna see what what he did. So yeah, let's let's cover his stuff. Hell yeah, I'm done. Well, we don't do plugs on these, so. Yeah, I don't know, you know where to find us. Go do your own research. Send off message. um
02:02:41
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How can you not be yourself? Right in, think of ways that you can't be in be specific, like times where you weren't yourself or I don't know, maybe we're going to get people being like, yeah, I was in a fugue state and had a disassociative episode. I mean, I'm the character, I'm the guy from split. I was not, but he is being himself whenever he is all the other personas. That's still him. Yeah. So I don't know.
02:03:12
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What would M. Night Shyamalan say about that? What would he say? Right in M. Night. We know you're listening. Or Seleka Shyamalan? Call me. I don't know. Cause she's... I don't know if you're single, but... Well on that note, call Doug. Find him on Twitter at TheDuggernaut underscore two. I'm a good friend too. We don't have to date. I'm just... You talked over the Twitter hand. I was just plugging you and you talked right over it. Plugging you for Miss Shyamalan.
02:03:43
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ThuggerNet underscore two. So shout out Mia Khalifa. She's a number one trap shooter on Twitter. She's a big Shyamalan head. Apparently she's she's on letterbox. I need to follow her. Seems like she has pretty good taste. So I mean, she likes traps. So follow Mia Khalifa and then Google her and turn off the safe search. Anyway, that's all I got. All right. Well, have a good night, guys. Good night.
02:04:29
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It's something unattainable that you can't live without And now the unexplainable has you riddled with doubt Things begin, things decay and you've gotta find a way to be okay but if you wanna spend the day wondering what it's all about go and knock yourself out
02:05:10
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why were put in this mess is anybody's guess it might be a test or it might not be anything to be too worried about but if you're still in doubt go and knock yourself out