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Top 10 First-Time Watches of 2024 w/ Zoe
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are joined by The Great and Powerful Zoe to talk about some of their favorite first-time watches of 2024!
This is an all-time great episode to close out 2024 (until their reviews of Nosferatu, and The Brutalist). They laugh, they cry, they put it all on the line for you in this 4 hour, very special episode! Enjoy!
Doug's List:
- Phantom of the Paradise
- Klute
- Nosferatu (1979)
- The Killing
- Lost Highway
- A Better Tomorrow
- The Getaway
- The Insider
- In The Mood For Love
- Blow Out
Nick's List:
- Duel
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Misery
- Coherence
- I Saw The Devil
- Coraline 3D
- Snow Angels
- Sorcerer
- Aftersun
- Your Name.
Zoe's List:
- The Red Shoe
- Avengement
- The Killing
- Universal Soldier: Regeneration
- Kill
- Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
- Tampopo
- Dune: Part 2
- Body Heat
- M Butterfly
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Transcript
Introduction and 2024 Theme Announcement
00:00:18
Speaker
I'm Doug Davenport. I'm Nick Ewers. And we're These Guys Got Juice. And we're about to do our 2024 yearly roundup. I don't know. I think that's that's the title, guys. Well, we're going to do. I mean, so many other podcasts, not that we have to do what other people are doing. It's like first time watches, but yeah, a little bit more phrase it.
00:00:42
Speaker
Because because we've we've been going through like some of our favorite stuff of of last year. we We had our favorite 2024 releases and now we're just like stuff that we watched last year that that's important to
Zoe Joins the Podcast
00:00:55
Speaker
us. And joining us is is Zoe. ah I mean, she's basically the third guy in These Guys Got You, so it would didn't it didn't feel right to not have her along. And also, I i watch watched most of these with you. That's true. I needed your letterbox ah list because I'm like not good at logging stuff. I'm here for posterity.
00:01:19
Speaker
ah yeah Then I got some ah um Other categories
2023 Film Categories Discussion
00:01:23
Speaker
too. I don't know if you guys had any interest but like time Maybe we could look through like movies coming out this year if you guys want to talk about um oh sure nation coming on You had i Had some other categories like movies that disappointed us last year if we wanted to go over that or movies that surprised us like Yeah, I could if we have time um i could i could see um We're probably gonna run pretty long on the first time watches though Yeah, well, I'll talk longer about stuff that I like like the disappointments I'll probably just quickly throw out be like yeah, whatever I have a big disappointment I want or I kind of want to
00:02:01
Speaker
Is it one we've reviewed? Because I think I know what it is. No, no. Get it out of the way. Air out your grievances to start
Critique of 'Blink Twice'
00:02:08
Speaker
the year. ah Should I? I won't go on my whole spiel, but um blink twice. I don't get why people like that, man. i might and I haven't seen it yet. I'm going to remain neutral in case Zoe Kravitz is listening and.
00:02:24
Speaker
I just want to say, Zoe, that I'm here for you. You know, things might be challenging right now. And then also Channing. Wait, why are things challenging for her? Because her and Channing. Because they broke up. They broke up. They weren't engaged. And now they're not. And then Channing, I also want you- Because that movie sucked so bad. They were like, we just got to end it here. He's like, look, I can't do this anymore. Yeah. He's like, babe, I just can't continue. You made me, you put me in this.
00:02:53
Speaker
I assumed before I saw the movie, I was like, was he jealous from the at the ad campaign for the Batman, where it looked like they were ready to fuck on camera? Like, Pattinson and Zoey would just be, like, rubbing on each other. There's just, like, a camera ro rotating around them, and I'm like, are they about to fall off? Okay, but like, counterpoint, like, that's like every movie Channing Tatum has ever been in.
Debate on Batman Actors
00:03:17
Speaker
Like, does Channing Tatum, does he need to get jealous?
00:03:22
Speaker
like What if he was just deeply insecure? Imagine? You never know. It could happen to anybody. He's just like us. He's just like me for real. I think every guy is jealous of Batman in some way, you know?
00:03:41
Speaker
Doug, that's the smartest thing you've said, oh like probably the smartest thing you'll say all year, actually. I think so. Are we jealous of all Batmans though? Like from Adam West all the way to Pattinson? Yeah, I would want to be any of them.
00:03:56
Speaker
Fair enough. I think Adam West is getting the most ass. I mean, yeah, I mean, we don't need to get into that, which which Batman men fuck the most. Michael Keaton's the one who's like,
00:04:09
Speaker
I mean, he's getting it he's getting with Michelle Pfeiffer, which is like, you know, that's that's gold. Hard to beat. Yeah. Bale is also pretending to have sex with women. Nick, you're absolutely right. Yeah. Christian Bale's Batman does not fuck.
00:04:28
Speaker
yeah He puts on a suit and he combs his hair and stuff like that, but he does not capital F fuck. It's not happening. And then, and then Pattinson is so backed up that like cum is like coming out his eyes and nose. He's trying to, he's trying to just like talk the cat while he's like. ah He's like vibrating. You said you didn't have a relationship with Falcone.
00:04:52
Speaker
do Do you guys subscribe to the belief that Pattinson's Batman is a virgin? Or just Patton is like... Yeah, he didn't have time for that. think I feel like he had sex like like a couple times, maybe like the summer after high school. And felt that nothing and and it was awkward that we just kind of put him and he's just kind of, you know what? I just can't go there right now. Do you think he didn't have suit?
00:05:17
Speaker
No, it was, it was like pre Batman and he couldn't stop thinking about justice. So he's just like, yeah had trouble getting hard. He started thinking about his parents and he just like starts crying. And he starts just saying like, mommy, daddy. Our Pat's Batman is definitely a a sex crier.
00:05:34
Speaker
Or he thought about vengeance and prematurely ejaculated. Good point, Nick. That's when he figured it out. like He came and he was like, I'm vengeance. Yes. yeah it I can't come unless I'm thinking about vengeance. What if I did this all the time? He was like, I don't even need the girl. I'll just put a costume on.
00:05:56
Speaker
So those are my thoughts on Blink twice. Yeah. That was pretty fast. That was a pretty fast speed run from Blink twice up up to like to which Batman upcoming? We just devolved into madness. ah Do you guys have any disappointments of the year?
00:06:16
Speaker
um
Critique of 'Alien Romulus'
00:06:18
Speaker
Once we've talked about on the podcast, I didn't care for Alien Romulus. I know pla people had fun. I just I just I love that franchise and like pretty much find things to love about all the movies. I just wish it felt more like its own thing, especially because Fetti Alvarez movies have like a vibe and like a very distinct, like almost grind housey feel. And I was like,
00:06:43
Speaker
it wasn't it didn't go that hard like it was like it was like people were like you won't believe the shit you see and there's like maybe one scene where it's like kind of gross I guess but I'm like for a fatty Alvarez move like this guy had a cum-filled turkey baster and you know fucking those don't breathe spoiler yeah the girl saws her face off with shattered glass and the evil dead remake like that evil dead remake was pretty intense it great yeah Romulus was like softball
00:07:16
Speaker
like there is they do like or like they understand that alien should have like phallic and like sexually charged imagery but then they're not really I feel like they're not doing anything with it they're not iterating on it they're like yeah the alien came out of a hole in the wall looked like a vagina and I'm like yeah that's what should happen but like So you wanted to go really sexy, like make the acid melt someone's face off like a cum shot or something? Oh yeah, I didn't even have a cum. We're doing a lot of talking about cum. I know, it's unfair. It's like several, less than eight minutes in. We don't usually do this.
00:07:51
Speaker
this isn't usually weapon This never happens to me. I've never done this before. you're done god um I have a disappointment from this year. And I say this, this, this was, I really did not care for the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. And I fucking love Guy Ritchie. I love Guy Ritchie's not good movies too. Like I think I probably like his, his worst movies more than I like his better movies. And i it just did not hit for me. and um I. I didn't even see it because I was afraid. It's like we already made it's like.
00:08:29
Speaker
we already made in glorious bastards and they just made it like a shittier version of it. And it was very, it was, it just was, how do I even phrase this? I'm taking it back to talking about the phallus, but it felt very masturbatory. It was like, aren't we so amazing as Brits for like doing this amazing covert mission and saving the whole world during World War II? Like it just felt very like back heading, self-stroking. Yeah, and like,
00:08:56
Speaker
um So I have that movie ranked at ah number 87 out of 93 from last year. That movie sucks. It sucked and i would I like went into it so excited because I love Guy Ritchie. And it was him re-teaming with cat the only like a handful of people know how to actually use Henry Cavill, Macquarie slash Tom Cruise and then Guy Ritchie in a fucking ah man from uncle. And it's like, so what you, he just lost the formula. I don't know. Yeah, but that was a bummer.
Guy Ritchie's Films Discussion
00:09:32
Speaker
That was not,
00:09:35
Speaker
I find it kind of funny. I was just talking with this talking with ah with um Doug about this, I think earlier today. Both of the movies you guys mentioned are movies that I went on a date to see with the same girl and she loved both of those movies. And I like that they were both of your most disappointing picks. Red flags. You said that to me like today and I forgot about that. and just It's news to everyone.
00:10:02
Speaker
Um, yeah, just here instead of watching the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, everybody should watch Rock and Rolla. Rock and Rolla is legit. I had a great time talking with you guys. I'm going to go now. That's that's not even like a bad Guy Ritchie. That's just that movie fucks. That movie fucking rocks. Like Wrath of Man is Guy Ritchie's best movie, but Rock and Rolla is my favorite Guy Ritchie. Wrath of Man, people are sleeping on that. Like people don't know. Okay, it's on 2B right now.
00:10:31
Speaker
Go watch it. Go watch it right now. It's free on Tubi. It must be seen. Yeah. I've been avoiding Wrath of Man and ah general the gentleman um why je gentlemen. Gentlemen's life. hugh Hugh Grant. I think it was like a promo slumbag. Yeah.
00:10:51
Speaker
It was one of those like depressing COVID things where I'm like, I don't want to watch these just because they're available or something like that, I think. I don't know. I just like. I mean, it in a theater. Yeah. Wrath of Man in the theater was fucking awesome. ah You should watch Wrath of Man, Nick, and then just do a Jason Statham marathon. Should I just watch that? Yes. Yes. Should I watch that above the gentleman?
00:11:16
Speaker
Yeah, I would say Wrath of Man is is a better priority. Can I put Collateral in the Statham and ah marathon then? Because I think he has a cameo in that one. Is that the one where he's at the very beginning? It's been confirmed that the Transporter and Collateral exist in the same... and not even I was about to say Chev Chellios, but that's Crank. What's his character's name in Transporter? Frank? Frank.
00:11:42
Speaker
Just fucking Frank. Frank Transporter. Frank Transporter. His name is Frank Transporter. And I know he's the last name, but like, that's so not my concern when I'm watching Transporter. It's my concern is that it's not the concern, but Jason Statham actually is the Transporter. That's the thing. He does the majority of his driving in the movies, and that's all of pretty much almost all of him doing all the martial arts stunts. um That's that's the Transporter. It's really him.
00:12:10
Speaker
He also really is the beekeeper. Oh, he absolutely is the beekeeper. i So many new movies I haven't seen from him. That didn't make my my, you know, top 10 of the year. We talked about ah in the loop. I feel like I got a shot of beekeeper. Everyone go watch the beekeeper. That's some of the most fun. I just rewatch it on New Year's Day. Shit absolutely whips. And it's honestly one of the it looks incredible.
00:12:36
Speaker
Like it's great. Yeah, it really does. And there's some really amazing kills in it. And it's like, anti is it? Yeah, it's David Ayer, baby. David Ayer directed The Beekeeper. i yeah Yeah, I I saw it and it's like it's like news to me. No, I mean, I don't even dislike Ayer, but he's not like one of my guys. But I was like, actually surprised of how much I and i think you and I watch The Beekeeper together. Yeah, I think we did.
00:13:03
Speaker
Yeah. um No, it fucking rocks. Statham is great. He's so great as a man of few words and a man of just getting shit done. And it's very like real anti tech douchebag, bro. And we love that. We need more ah vocal denouncing of that. Oh, the guy. Yeah, the guy. The Hunger Games is like the like most Josh Hunter. Josh Hutcherson is a Piece of shit scumbag tech bro, and he's brilliant at it Jeremy Irons Jeremy Irons isn't the
Notable Films Highlight
00:13:32
Speaker
beekeeper There's no reason for it for him to have been in it and he's in it and it's amazing that's his energy to that he kind of just walked on set in what he looks like he had just come from like a personal like squash match or something whatever British people like him do for fun and Like that he just came from like from doing that with some high society friends and he's just like, what's this? A beekeeper? Yeah, I think I'll I think I'll go see what David Ayer is up to today. Oh, I just made a million dollars doing this. OK. So, Doug, what is squash?
00:14:09
Speaker
Am I mixing up? ah What's the thing where you hit the ball at the wall? Racquetball. Okay pickle me. No, it's probably right I don't know I don't know I don't know what pickleball is but I but that's right I think pickleballs with your hand that you like just hit the ball with your hand up against the wall or so What are we fucking what are we what are we Amish get a fucking racket use a tool? i know Wait, I think squash is racquetball Is it like just a different word for it?
00:14:43
Speaker
Or you can do it with more because isn't racquetball usually like kind of solo. e You can just believe you're a loser.
00:14:54
Speaker
But, but, but you can do like doubles and like, and like combinations, like real tennis and squash. It's like, but they're still hitting it against the wall. You said, but you still haven't explained what squash is. You hit a ball against the wall of the racket or something. I don't know. How many different ways are there to do that? Good old wall ball. Just call it wall ball. Call it what the thing is. Yeah. You got a wall and a ball, it's wall ball. You know? Done. Football wasn't that hard to figure out.
00:15:24
Speaker
Even though it's played with the hands. Yeah. I like. I like resolving these important things like Batman, Batman who come like what's for should be called the movies. we We will get to the our favorite first watches and we'll get there. we I guess we should get there now or we can get there now. We can get in on. Get in on over there.
00:15:53
Speaker
All right, i've been thrown I've been thrown to the wolves to start because I'm the guest and apparently that means that I should be mistreated and be forced to start first. i Yeah. You guys wanna go straight 10 to one or do you wanna throw out some your honor roll ah honorable mentions first? so um Honestly, just getting it to 10 was difficult enough. i just i'm i'm gonna I'm gonna go with that.
00:16:20
Speaker
um The first one that I want to talk about is ah Powell and Pressburger's The Red Shoes. Have either of y'all seen it? I've seen clips from it. like when i It's been on Turner movies several times. It's very much a TCM sort of thing. um But Powell and Pressburger movies are so beautiful. they really like It's it's ah it's the kind of thing that's said to death at this point, but they really just don't make them like this anymore.
00:16:49
Speaker
ah They also did Black Narcissist, Peeping Tom, many other things, but um Technicolor used to matter in this country. ah We used to build sets. We used to include dancing in movies. i mean also and and And I will say, like of the movie is brilliant. I'm not the only one who thinks so, but coming from somebody who like was in ballet since I was like six, it also hits that certain spot. But um it is just an absolutely jaw-droppingly stunning ah piece of film. ah Moira Scheer, I believe this was her first like acting. ah She was acting and dancing. I think this was was her first big thing and then she ended up working with them, at least with Peeping Tom, if not with other movies. She's really good in Peeping Tom. Yeah, she really is. um But it's just
00:17:39
Speaker
It's stunning like like there are no words that I can say that would not be doing it a disservice and just not being able to like fully communicate how incredible it is but the dancing is incredible the story is great the acting it's the sets are massive the scale of it is just unreal and it's all it's all there there's no green screens it's there it's I just everybody has to see it that's that's it that's all I have that that's ah I'm gonna stop there because I'll i'll just I'll rave like a lunatic all night but uh it is just jaw-droppingly stunning must be seen yeah if you're looking to check it out it's streaming on criterion channel right now to be free V max Pluto you can watch it anyway thank you
00:18:23
Speaker
I just put in my watch list right now.
Classic Films and Preservation
00:18:25
Speaker
You know, that's something i want ah we did a good job of on the last episode. I'm like, i' I'm going to try and keep up on that since a lot of these are probably going to be on streaming. And I've already gotten good feedback from that, from ah Chris was listening and he was like, oh, right, that's last year and I can watch it. Like, you know, that's I think people find that useful. Yeah, the movie was already in my watch list and man, everybody's got it like five stars on letterbox. I'm like, so I can check this out. It's like an instant rule like smashing that five star button. It's it's undeniable.
00:19:02
Speaker
And now it's it's ah you said there's a lot of dancing. Is it ah heavy music too? Like original ah music in it? That is a great question. That I'm honestly not sure about. I mean, the music is is beautiful, but i I was just so mesmerized just watching her dance. like i know I know there was music playing, but that's hardly what I was even focusing on. She's just absolutely like mesmerizing and chanting to watch.
00:19:31
Speaker
Now, have you seen White Christmas? Yes, I have. That's a movie. I saw it for the first time this year with my mom. That was one I was actually kind of disappointed in. It's very much a mom movie. I also watch it with my mom. Yeah. It wasn't as Christmasy as I thought it was going to be. Most of it's not Christmas. That's a movie, though, where I was like, the dancing is really good. I kind of wish it was shot a bit more energetically. But the dancing is very well choreographed.
00:20:02
Speaker
I don't know. i I'm very interested to check this out, though, because since I watched that, we the first thing you mentioned was like how great the dancing is. Like one thing that stood out that you mentioned was how the dancing is. So yeah, I'm very interested in checking. Oh, Nick, I figured out off off mic when you were talking about white Christmas, I kept talking about a different old Christmas movie that was like, you're like, I don't think there's like so like, I don't think they're in a hospital or so. Oh, yeah.
00:20:29
Speaker
I was I was thinking of Christmas in Connecticut, which is not not a musical. I'm pretty sure it's just it's just a screwball comedy.
Favorite Films Discussion
00:20:38
Speaker
um Yeah. christmas Because he kept saying the beginning and then being at a hospital. I'm like, I don't think it White Christmas begins with them at a hospital so that is in a hospital. I'm telling you. Oh, yeah. um Well, Doug, you want to go for your number 10?
00:20:58
Speaker
Oh, OK, we're going to cycle around. I'm just going to preface that. Yeah, this was really hard to whittle down, ah but I'm now looking at it and I think it worked out because I'm like noticing a theme. ah i'll but i'll just I'll just say a few and then maybe but as we get in, we'll we'll notice what what the what the theme is. But I got i got Phantom of the Paradise. ah That's just one of my favorite movies ever. It was like instantly when we watched, I think it was like for your birthday, Zoe, we were there. You'd pick for for us to watch then. I was instantly like, before the movie even got, I think like the first song. Literally the first from the opening number. It's like, what whoa.
00:21:43
Speaker
Oh, so this is like one of the best movies ever made. DePaula, what can't he do? Again, I'm not I wasn't like I know like the bigger the like, yeah, I've seen Scarface, I've seen Untouchables, I've seen Carrie, but I hadn't like actually like delved into like, like his like,
00:22:01
Speaker
uh like like his his like more horny thrillers you know and and the the fact that he got to make this kind of musical so early in his career is fucking wild uh yeah it's it's it's my favorite musical of all time i i think i think it should have the kind of following that like Like there should be screenings of this like we do for Rocky Horror, like midnight things where people like dress up and like, I mean, it's influential too. Like the iconography from it has influenced others. so The mask that the Phantom wears, it's like what the main bad guy from like Berserk has a mask. It's like the same exact ah like style. So, and then, yeah.
00:22:51
Speaker
and ah check Check it out, it's on, is this on TV? Let's check. It should be. Nick, get it together. Help us out. Phantom of the Paradise. it's yeah have To have Jessica Harper in her first movie role and she's also doing all of her own, no, she's also doing all of her own singing, which is insane.
00:23:17
Speaker
She does all of her own dancing, too, which people have criticized and i those people I say, shut up. Shut up. Leave Jessica alone. the Yeah, Doug, it is on Amazon Prime, though. That's right. yeah It's on Prime. It's on it. Also, they do midnight showings of it occasionally at the music box. They had one in November around my birthday. um like We didn't get a chance to go. I forgot what had I should just say i had a lot going on, um but they'll probably do it again.
00:23:47
Speaker
So no, it's over. I've lost. so over Yeah. I get emails from ah the music box every week and they do like Rocky Horror, like constantly. So they got, they can make room for fucking Phantom of the Paradise. Yeah. on the the music box mailing list Chris Chris also in his comments about our last episode was like guys should be like you check out and Nora was playing at the music box they have like the lesser but like we saw it we reviewed it know yeah we saw it at the music music box
00:24:21
Speaker
Chris. Yeah, Chris. Alright. So, Phantom of the Paradise, that's text number 10. My number 10 is, uh, Duel by Steven Spielberg, his directorial debut. This movie is relentlessly entertaining. Holy shit, this dude had the fucking juice from right out of the gate, and it was just a TV movie. TV movies used to be something. They used to be important. Yeah, You're so right. they used to be memorable like this might be the best TV movie I've ever seen but it's basically just Yeah, just average guy ends up getting in like a little bit of a conflict on the road with a truck driver and then this driver just keeps fucking with him for the rest of the runtime of the movie and it's like
00:25:13
Speaker
a little over 80 minutes. It's a smooth ride. And like I said, it just relentlessly entertaining. If you haven't checked out dual, I highly recommend it. It just came out on 4k. It's so good. Yeah. It's like, if you get a chance, it's an easy watch and it's really entertaining. It just got a 4k release not too long ago. I bought that recently.
00:25:34
Speaker
And, uh, you can pretty much buy it anywhere. It's not, I don't think it's streaming for free anywhere right now, but, um, you can rent it or purchase it anywhere. But if you get the chance, it's on, it's on internet archive. That's probably going to be like a low, it's not going to be the restored one probably. So you're, you know, if you want the best quality, you know, get, get, get that new 4k, but if you want quality that's close to like what it looked like on your TV and in, in 1971, like the internet archive version, it's probably that.
00:26:04
Speaker
I don't know how 4K would work for that transfer, but what I really like about 4Ks for older movies are what they're trying to do with those are make it look as close as possible to how the original projection would have been the at the time it came out.
00:26:22
Speaker
So like these movies from like the 70s and 80s, I'm just napping up on 4k and watching. So I don't know if dual would be the same case because it wasn't. I mean, I'm sure it was shot on film, but so I don't know how like what the difference would be. I didn't see it on 4k yet, but it's not going to be like a James Cameron transfer where they make it smooth and like change, like make it blue or something. It might be like Oldboy, where I kind of prefer it when it's not on 4K. Even though I love owning the Oldboy 4K, it's like one of the coolest things of that. Some movies should look shittier. I'm so used to that movie looking shitty. Yeah. But, um, Dual, go check it out if you haven't. Zoe, have you seen Dual? Doug, you saw it, right? Yeah, yeah.
00:27:06
Speaker
I've never even heard of it, but an 88-minute runtime is a beautiful thing to me. That's music to my ears. However many minutes, if that's... no ah i'm just I'm really passionate about the Type 90. That's something that's really, really important to me. It's an art form in and of itself to bring in a movie in or under 90 minutes um and make it like great.
00:27:31
Speaker
Yeah, I have so I have some honorable mentions that were like a tight 70 like I'll get to those after our chat but like they're like horror movies from like the 40s 50s and 60s. I'm like damn you got and they don't even feel like they're rushing like they're like atmospheric and kind of like, you know, really vibey and like taking their time in some scenes. I'm like, wow. And then we still have time to like, you know, do a movie here. That's that's pretty impressive.
00:27:59
Speaker
God, I just want to watch a duel now.
Exploration of 'Avengement'
00:28:01
Speaker
ah I feel like that's going to be every movie on my list. I'm just going to sit here quietly after and be like, I don't want to watch it now. Um, so do you want to go to your number nine? Yeah. Okay. I do want to say these are not strictly ordered 10 to nine or 10 to one. They're like vaguely organized, but mine aren't. Yeah. yeah and' it stand up her I should have been higher if that was the case. Yeah. like I can I can get it down to a number but I ordering things beyond that is it's I'm i'm more of a lister than a ranker not gonna not good at the ladder but speaking of a tight 90 I my friend my good friend Gigi shout out to Gigi She introduced me to a movie called avengement starring Scott Adkins that came out. It's shit whips. It's 89 minutes directed by Jesse V. Johnson. Um, super simple. Like, uh,
00:28:54
Speaker
and Scott Adkins has been to prison and he's all fucking tough and scary. He looks so scary. He's got scary metal teeth and his face is all scarred up and it's like, um but like the he movie is basically walking you back through how this happened as he's having a confrontation with the guys who kind of put him there. um He looks angry.
00:29:17
Speaker
He's so angry. Okay, so the first thing that I had seen, or the only thing that I had seen with him prior to this was a movie called Savage Dog, which is mad okay, but he's like, you know, he looks like a good guy in it. And I was like, okay, clearly this guy has, you know, martial arts talent, but I was, I didn't get that he's hot. And then with the shaved head and scary metal teeth, I was like, oh, oh he's hot, actually.
00:29:39
Speaker
okay I get it now. We literally had this conversation before, though, so and and I need to correct women on Mike, so I just want to make sure that this is on record. You have seen him in other movies before, because he was Killah in John Wick Chapter 4. He was in the fast suit. you're right i'm Okay, I mean, like Scott Adkins when he looks like Scott Adkins.
00:30:02
Speaker
I almost made a joke like you didn't see him in his pivotal role in Doctor Strange as a guy who was playing basketball. I don't watch those. He had metal teeth in that too. Maybe that was an avengement call out because I mean that that's just like people who've worked on direct ah to video action movies are like filling out all the crew for the all the job. And you know who else had metal teeth is Winslow and Phantom of the Paradise.
00:30:32
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It's all connected. It's all connected. He was in ah Zero Dark 32 in one of the Bourne movies. Okay. Wait, which Bourne? Like the actual good ones or? Uh, Ultimatum. Oh yeah. In the Bourne's. But ah this movie is super fun. It's a like, uh,
00:30:54
Speaker
it's like a not it's It's like a not as good Guy Ritchie movie, but I don't mean that as ah as as a denigration to it. But it's like, oi, like it's like scumbag, like British, British crime. Scott Adkins just, he has he has the juice ah to to speak in appropriate terms since I'm here. He's a fucking star. He's having a ball being the bad guy. He's just, eat no, no, no, no, no, he's it's chewing the scenery, making an absolute meal of it. um And he's just a great fucking athlete.
00:31:24
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and he's just having a blast with it. So if you like martial arts movies and you like when the boys are a little bit scary, I would highly recommend avenge, but also if you just like to see a movie that fucking rocks. I think I've watched this movie like three or four times this year, and and I saw it for the first time in August. Like I watched it two times in a row, like the night that I watched it, then I watched it, I woke up the next morning and I immediately watched it again.
Stanley Kubrick Films Analysis
00:31:48
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So there's my endorsement.
00:31:51
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I love a a good like immediate. I need to watch this again. Yeah. And that one's streaming on a Prime to be in Pluto TV. If you're looking to check that out. And I'm looking to know what's good for you. I feel like I want to start off on a strong action movie ah footing this year, so that's definitely going to be a priority. Hell yeah. Oh, that's I'm adding all these to my watch list. Same.
00:32:20
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My number nine nine he yeah is not an action movie, but it's one of the best movies. A lot of these are not like it became instant. Like, oh, this is just like one of my favorites now. ah My number nine is Clute, the 1971 from Alan J. Pakula. It's one of the best looking movies ever made, like just in terms of I mean, it's the same cinematographer as the godfather and like the the the the contract we used to be able to light movies like like in in like movies movies that are still dark but you see what's happening and there's like beautiful contrast like these are the blackest blacks of the shadow like but in a way that like jordan willis is the goat.
00:33:07
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Yes, yes, he is. I mean, because there's scenes in Jane Fonda's apartment where it's like, there's just dark, there's like a dark void behind her, but in a way that is so purposefully constructed because you're like, wait, you start staring back there. And I'm like, is there someone back? Because they're like, you know, someone is like stalking her and obsessed with her in in the movie. And you who can blame him.
00:33:33
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it's not okay but don't don't do it but also but like you know what 1971 Jane Fonda like i might act a fool too you know i'd stalk her now i wouldn't don't do it don't do it don't do it
00:33:48
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ah and another cool thing about it um if you if you Listen if you subscribe to our patreon and listen to our full the Batman ah Talk you would know that like ah Matt Reeves had listed this as like one of the there was like a lot of 70s movies that he cited as like he was going for that kind of like noir vibe from that era specifically and you can see the info like once you start watching a movie especially with Jane Fonda's character you're like oh the Celine so much from the Selena arc is like uh riffing on this and like in and especially in the dynamic between her and our boy uh rip i mean Donald Sutherland that was like so good in this he's so good in everything but
00:34:37
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Yeah. Yeah. There's just the dynamic where, you know, like he's a cop trying to find the person who's stalking her, but also he's like, I will use you as bait. yeah Like not, not like totally willing to dangle her on the hook. So that yeah, there's like just, just this weird to to tension be between them and yeah, they're both excellent. Check it out. It's on to be, I believe.
00:35:02
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it I think it was, it doesn't look like it's streaming anywhere anymore. I think you gotta like purchase or rent it. um I've almost watched this movie so many times because I watched all the President's Men this year and that's in my honorable mentions actually, but I'm really excited to check out Clute. I bought that and then I bought the other one in the trilogy that you had recommended to me, Doug, The Parallax.
00:35:27
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i Still have to watch the parallax view. I was like going through a phase where I was just watching paranoid Conspiracy thrillers a lot of them at the end of the year after the election for some reason. I don't know. There's probably no connection Yeah ah Anyway, oh, it's not streaming for free on any of like the main sites But internet archive does have it and it looks like it's actually pretty good quality on there Sometimes, you know, you might be rolling dice it like in ah in a lower resolution on there but uh
00:36:00
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Internet archive while it's still up there before the man takes it away You know they they did try to shut it down last year, but uh it's not it's it's about film preservation It's not it's not piracy. It's preservation so you use use it shout Internet archive But Doug would you would you preserve a car?
00:36:22
Speaker
No, because cars are evil. What are those ads like? Would you steal a car? Would you download a car? Yeah. Yeah. Would you download a copy of a car that didn't mean you stole it from anybody and didn't financially affect anybody negatively? That person still has their car and now I just have. Yeah, but now you have a car? Would you do that? Yeah, it sounds like that. Yeah.
00:36:57
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ah So, hell yeah, that's Clute. That's Doug's number nine. ah My number nine is Eyes Wide Shut. Oh, that was that. This was your first time seeing it. Damn. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, that movie. ah What a ride. What a journey that is. That's one where like It really I mean a lot of movies most movies do this when there's like a male lead but I kind of put myself in their shoes and I'm just like do I behave this way as a guy and Eyes wide shut was one of those where I really had to like
00:37:35
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I really like kind of went like was just introspective like afterwards and was just like, do I behave like this? does my insecurity What rabbit holes has my insecurity led me down? And I did a lot of self-reflecting and I think that's like really good and important in a movie. and You know, not saying I've done anything as crazy as like Tom Cruise, but I was just like, it was just like interesting. I was just, you know, it ah Nick, what about the time your wife had that dream about the sailor? She like left you forward and it like ruined your life almost. I think more men should learn how to self reflect on the ways their insecurities affects the people around them.
00:38:14
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yeah and i just it was a Yeah, it was a pretty yeah pretty big movie. It really stuck with me. and i I actually do really like that. I don't know if I could call it like a sub-genre of movie. like The Midsomers, the ones that are like, do I behave like this in my relationships? do i like ah does that And, you know, Midsommar was an atomically evil guy. It's like he's like, you know, like, I mean, Tom Cruise is like, you know, ah a well off doctor in that. But I'm talking about more like the Midsommar, where you're like, the boyfriend in that is just a dude, you know, like he's not like. more
00:38:54
Speaker
I'm gonna do the fucking sucks though. Yeah, no you really fucking sucks, but in really like realistic way Yeah, like they're not and he's not like heart diabolical yeah like Midsummer makes me like a look at um myself in a way like when I'm in a relationship does my significant other feel held by me in moments where they need to whereas like um Eyes wide shut is like Do I spiral out of control when faced with my insecurities?
00:39:27
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And yeah, I feel like, yeah, that's it's important ah for movies to kind of make you reflect, and Eyes Wide Shut was very interesting, and not saying I get as crazy as Tom Cruise. I've never been to a sex cult. You know, I've tried to guess Facebook passwords, you know, one time or another, and I feel like that's the equivalent. i think that That's my sex cult.
00:39:50
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I think you're watching the movie correctly. There's right ways to watch movies the wrong ways, Nick, and you're watching it the right way. no Thanks. ah i you know To like put yourself even if you aren't ah one for one, that character, like that's what good art invites us to do is like put us in a mindset and then you know So it might reflect back on an us and ah yeah, maybe maybe it's because I am a man who's insecure, ah but I would say this is like the scariest Kubrick movie. Not that the Shining has moments that are terrifying and you know, it's filled with dread, but not just like the spiraling that Tom Cruise does, but the moments where he's like,
00:40:30
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walking through the dream. And I'm such a fucking dummy. If I hadn't seen those behind the scene rear projection things, I was like, he's really in New York right now. This is New York at Christmas time. And like, no, this is all fake, you idiot. They built you they built a fucking fake New York. but The spell worked on me. So it did on me, too, because I texted you. I was like, this movie makes me want to visit New York in the winter. And then I immediately texted you, even though I know it was filmed in London. Yeah. But but i to me, it's it's pretty so it's a pretty seamless magic trick. And but so eerie that it's like New York at Christmas time and the streets are fucking empty. It's just him ah but besides people calling Tom
00:41:15
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slurs on the street and then like the guy who's like following him like when when that little like the you know the score is like pretty minimalist and like not uh even super present in certain scenes but like when it shows up it adds that like wait is something about to happen here like what the fuck he isn't is he being followed he's being followed the guy's following him like ah and and that conversation with Ziegler like and at the end yeah mild spoilers for eyes watch i guess spoilers for but like just wait so have you seen eyes watch uh oh yes that that's okay yeah that's how it might be my favorite kubrick question i'm thinking it's my favorite too yeah it uh
00:41:57
Speaker
but that conversation is so chilling because part of me doesn't believe these people have any of that power that control and they're kind of scared of him a little bit but there's something kind of chilling like what if they did though like what if they had this power and they weren't like full of shit it's very it it yeah gave me chills watching it and and that's what sydney pollock is trying to sell to tom in that moment to like eat kind of basically relieve him of any you know, fear or guilt he might have ah is is like saying that like, yeah, this was just a game of put on, no one die. Or or I mean, the girl did die, but he then he's like, people die every day, you know that. And I'm like, Oh my God, to me, that was the tipping. and I'm like,
00:42:43
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Oh, he he just made that that shit up. This is real. It's the Joker argument. like oh A drug dealer gets shot and no one blinks an eye because it was all part of the plan. you know He's basically Heath Ledger's Joker in that moment.
00:42:58
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Right. She as far as the this tier of people of like, because like Tom Cruise is a doctor, but he's not like the one percent of the one percent like ultra. rate He's still on the outside looking in. And when at that year, the girls like that, they don't matter like that. People, someone like that dying is like, who can who gives a shit? You know, like they're not. That's not a real person, you know, to them. So like that's and I. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, there's something so chilling about about that scene.
00:43:29
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I like the idea, too. I haven't really heard many people talk about this, but the only reason Tom Cruise, I think, is invited to that party in the first place is just because it helps to have a doctor friend in case somebody overdoses. Like, he's not really important enough to be at that party, that Christmas party, at the beginning. yeah yeah I mean, he's friends with Ziegler, but would he would Ziegler have invite? I mean, because, yeah, and they do immediately need that's another like good bit of character building. Like that's pretty much how we're introduced to him is when this girl's ODing and he's like so casual about it. ah And you're like, OK, so this is how you view like people outside of your social strata. Oh, yeah. Also, how incredible is Nicole Kidman in it?
00:44:18
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oh she's great and i we didn't even touch on like how funny the movie is because i think it's very funny that's the magic of i'm not saying every director should do this to their actors and do like a thousand takes you know like or how many times he made tom cruise open a door when they were filming this but i feel like you don't get Nicole came in saying, you don't get those line reads that they're doing unless they're exhausted. You kind of have to wear out any pretense or self-awareness that the actor would normally have about the performance, and then you get that. Because the scene where they're fighting is raw, but then it's really funny. This pod is making you aggressive. It's so funny. Yeah, it's so fucking funny it is I really my favorite thing about Nicole Kidman and her role in the movie though is When she gets brought back in at the very end I feel like the movie wouldn't tie up as like well as it does without her the perfect ending
00:45:27
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It is. And it's all on her. She's doing all the heavy lifting the moment she's brought right back into the movie. And I think ah I don't know it. You could probably just ah cut Tom out of that whole thing. Let's make a movie about her baby. What was she doing? Yeah, why he was out.
00:45:51
Speaker
That's the start of Baby Girl is right there. That was happened simultaneously. Yeah. They are certainly thematically connected. Mm hmm. Even though I did say on our last episode that I felt like it was reductive, people are saying that Baby Girl is Nicole Kidman's eyes wide shot. I was like, it's so much more than that, though. I mean, yeah. It is reductive. However, yeah I haven't seen it, but I know it's not a one for one. No, certainly not.
Heist Movies Fascination
00:46:18
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Yeah. Um, but hell yeah, that's my number nine. Uh, so you want to do your number? Yeah. Uh, also a Kubrick, uh, the killing you're talking about Spielberg's duel. And that's like a crazy, and like that just that the juicy had had right out of the gate. That's the killing. I had the killing on my list, uh, when I first put it together, but I had taken it off because I had like five key bricks on my list, but that's a good choice. We got you covered because that's also on my list. at Yeah.
00:46:46
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at seven but you know it's good we have some overlap so we can yeah kind cut some of this time to um wow that's that that's a perfect movie like there's it's an hour 25 music to my fucking ears um maybe the other best looking black and white movie of all time besides Night of the Hunter. It's I didn't know that I could feel so passionate about lamp light. Who knew? It's just every single frame is stunning. ah There's not an ounce of fat on this movie.
00:47:20
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You're just dropped into the action. It moves along at a really good clip. Sterling Hayden is doing a Sterling Hayden thing. Elisha Cook Jr. is amazing. Oh, so good. Marie Windsor, wow. um I was not familiar with her game before that. Oh my god. God damn. Interestingly enough, another movie that I also, which wasn't in like my faves faves, but Elisha Cook Jr. and Marie Windsor were also doubled up in like the,
00:47:48
Speaker
1970s or 80s Salem, Salem's lot TV movie. Yeah, they were in that that's, you know, I'm even more motivated to I was already gonna watch that. But it's fun. But yeah, ah The Killing. Wow. That's a that's a perfect movie. It must be seen. I ah was just like absolutely floored.
00:48:08
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I must it must be seen and and I don't want to give it like even though it's like a whatever 70 year old plus year old movie like spoilers but I don't I don't want to because like the discovery of like how it all unfolds is so entertaining but I just want to say it's a movie that was like when I heard the behind the scenes on on turn I'm like oh this was kind of saved in the edit because it originally was chronological it was just like the events playing out uh you know in the in the order they happened and then Kubrick and that they were kind of like this is kind of boring uh and then like chopping it up and like cutting the cutting it back and forth and then the narration i think that the studio wanted narration but then Kubrick
00:48:54
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in in the way because he's still he wasn't like the Kubrick as we know where he had total control. So he still had to kind of cave the studio. But then he did it in his own way where it's like the narration doesn't really give you info. It's and sometimes intentionally giving you wrong information, which is like really cool ah because it's like this is like a sub genre of crime movies. I like um and in in the in the Soderbergh movie, ah No Sudden Move.
00:49:23
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ah Ray Liotta says to Benicio and Cheetle at one point, he's like, you guys are ah not, you guys are like too dumb to know how not smart you are or something. Like criminals who think that they're clever because they have a plan, like they're smart enough to come up with a plan. Right. i mean When, when they you have to, they have to like start executing it. And then when you start thinking of like,
00:49:51
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Why are there so many levels? You're you're robbing a racetrack. You're like making it too convoluted. um But that's like the the magic of this. ah ah So naturally, I don't know what it is. Black and white movies tend to just automatically be like a comfort watch for me. um They just are so, yeah, inviting. And so this movie falls in that category. It's easy breezy. You get through it, but fuck.
00:50:20
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It's one of those movies where I don't know if it's the final shot and I'm not going to spoil it, but like it just left me with my jaw just on the floor. Yes. It's just a gut punch. I know. I was just like, oh, my God, I wanted to throw my hands in the air. And then I was just like, this is just one of the best journeys of 1950s movie is like. That's the moment.
00:50:46
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that I realized that this is also like a proto Coen Brothers movie of like how the characters are treated and like the journeys they go through. And the like, I feel like there's no way they weren't inspired by by the tone of this and how the movie could call Doug views views the characters. Yeah, ah I love it. The killing. Yeah, that's a great great. Get a bunch of dumb guys together with a plan and see what happens to see. There's something. It's basically a mean dog every week.
00:51:16
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Nick, should we do a heist? That sounds fun. I think we could. I've thought it out. so Subscribe to Patreon for heist updates. I think like it'll be like an extra upper Patreon tier where we're like, you know, if you want in on like behind the scenes of like, this is this is our eyes. No notify extra for the good stuff. OK, your cop. This is like the honor system. No, subscribe to that tier.
00:51:42
Speaker
And if you pay for an extra tier, you could be a part of the heist. Yeah, yeah. We'll cut you. it the willll we'll we'll It'll be like by gradients of like, if you pay, you know, basically if you give us like thousands of dollars, then you could get up to like 20 percent of the the, you know, cut, you know, like but you've got to be like in it like you have a gun and you might kill somebody. You know, that's the level of something has to be at stake.
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah going to jail if you get caught like Yeah, was no risk no reward guys, yeah come on minimum minimum it's the one of the bank robberies and heat the one where it just the chases on foot and they're in the street yeah getting Shot in the neck minimum Yeah, you're going to need to grab a kid and use them as a meat shield. ah You got to be willing to do that. Yeah. Just don't subscribe.
00:52:41
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um and I'm subscribing now if you're not ready for that kind of commitment. Yeah. Well, Doug, you want to hit your number eight?
International Films and 4K Restoration
00:52:51
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ah Yeah, my number eight is Nosferatu the Vampire by Warner Horozog. Oh, no, guys, I love I love Dracula, I love vampires. ah this is This is interesting because it's like taking elements and visuals from Nosferatu, but then ah it's almost like revenge for that the Bram Stoker estate tried to like destroy copies of the original because they they're naming them the Dracula characters in this one. like he's not
00:53:26
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Orlock. He's Dracula, Lucy Harker, Renfield Van Helsing. They're just using the Dracula names. So it's almost like, fuck you Bram Stoker. You can't do shit. It's public domain now. You can suck a dick.
00:53:42
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ah I don't know if it was public domain at the time that they did. I mean, must have, right? I don't think he, Bram Stoker's estate didn't sign off on that. I don't think, but. Yeah. It was like when the Disney properties became public domain and they were like, we can do whatever we want with them. That's what Herzog did.
00:53:59
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that That's basically like Herzog now. I can't wait like his Winnie the Pooh I can't wait to see his take on Popeye the sailor man. Like oh my god, that's gonna be interesting he's said ah yeah Honestly, I was about to ask like wait What am I what am I what am I not hearing? um And the thing that I mean do you Depending on release order, you'll hear ah thoughts about the new Nosferatu and things that work about that one. But like I like ah a tragic monster. like I like like the classic Universal Monster movies. They're like you know they're sad. yeah like that there' There's like a tragedy to them. even You let them sit at an old.
00:54:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's my type, man. That's why I really latch on to Count Chocula a lot. You can see it it. There's a sadness. Yeah, he's he's like lived too long and he doesn't want to be on this cereal box. He's experienced tragedy before. Yeah, Klaus Kinski is one of the best vampire performances. Like ah it's it's it's up it's up there. That dude just looks he looks like a creature already.
00:55:18
Speaker
He he like looks like a creature, but then you like like it it's it's kind of stepping foot in both worlds, because he like looks scary, but then like in certain scenes, you like you see the tears in his eyes, and you're like, God damn. but i would it It really... So many good stories about... vampires or that kind of loneliness, I'm like, man, immortality sounds awful. Like, don't you? No, thanks. It's so good that we die. Yeah, like Twilight, you have to be in high school constantly. That's a choice, OK? It's a choice. You don't have to be in high school forever. That's a choice. He could have been a college freshman. I know. Which does that make him a predator? Yes. Yes. yeah yeah sweet Yes, it does. Yeah. If you're like a hundred and.
00:56:03
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fuck what is it was like 111 or 17 years old and you and the love of your life is a 17 year old we got Chris Hansen's gotta gotta get involved Edward edward is no he's no better than Nosferatu then he didn't he didn't bring the plague that's the only difference he didn't bring the plague we did not that we saw but that could have happened before the movie started we don't know He got him some stuff. but And also, ultimately, Edward and Bella's union brings many vampires into the town of Forks, Washington. Not quite a plague, but not safe for the residents either.
00:56:40
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The Vampire Vatican. Oh my God. Yeah. imagine Imagine there being like a vampire car wolf ah the vampire Vatican war going on and you're just like a normal dude in that town. You're just like, so man, this is crazy.
00:57:03
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Uh, yeah, I, love oh, and I, I don't want to move on without shouting out is Isabella Johnny. I mean, no one's ever looked like her. Like, I, I mean, I, I, it's, I don't know. I, I have words like it's, it's crazy. to so It's crazy that a person looks like them. That's not like a special effect that they achieve. I mean, yeah, yeah, they I'm sure making her look more pale to accentuate like certain words like certain ways. And so I also love the artistic decision to put her in a completely anachronistic like black smoky eye. It's like fucking was 18 1700. She's like a fully like
00:57:42
Speaker
Crystal castles smoked out black. It was so smoky black eye. It's amazing. That she was born with that. That's just how her eyelids look. Some people just look like that. Yeah, it's incredible. Nosferatu, check it out. It's streaming on TV. Hold on. Let's verify this. Nick, we got to verify with Nick.
00:58:04
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Oh, yeah. So I actually just bought it. So I wasn't even concerned about it. It's on it's on peacock. It's on to be it's on leap blop. It's on freebie.
00:58:18
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ah Nick has it. You can ask him to borrow his you can ask to borrow his copy. my Apple TV login. No, you got to just send them a copy. I was looking for through my like recently purchased because I got that amongst a few other Herzog. So that ah I think this is pronounced um Wait, maybe this isn't Herzog. Yeah, it is. Aguirre or something? A-G-U-I-R-R-E, Wrath of God. Aguirre. Aguirre. Yeah, that one looks super interesting. Have you guys seen that? or um I haven't, but I've also not seen this one. Fitzcarral. Fitz, he is also in it. And then Fitzcarraldo? Fitzcarraldo. Yeah, Fitzcarraldo.
00:59:06
Speaker
Yeah, have you guys seen that one? Here's, here's my Herzog experience. No Srautu. And then when he was hanging out with Baby Yoda, that's how cultured I am. i'm like You gotta see Jack Reacher. You gotta reach. I gotta reach. He's pretty scary in that. I know. He is pretty scary. Wait, he's in...
00:59:30
Speaker
He's in the Tom Cruise Jack Reacher movie, the first one. Yeah. He's the villain. OK. I love that. That's awesome. He's pretty terrifying. He's got such a great voice. I know. He says, I can't even do an impersonation of his voice. But he like, just imagine his voice just like in a low whisper. And he's telling someone to cut off their own fingers, or he's going to shoot them in the head. And it's just like, that's such a hard task. And he's like rushing them. And it's like, calm down, dude.
00:59:59
Speaker
Give this guy a break, you know? It's a hard task you're asking him to perform. So he jigsaw is what you're saying. Yeah. Werner Herzog jigsaw 2025. We can make it happen. Whitehouse.gov petition. I mean, they might be rebooting it soon, so if that's the... Werner, bang our collective line.
01:00:21
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Hell yeah. um So my number eight is Misery, the Rob Reiner movie, Stephen King adaptation. um I can't believe this movie took me so fucking long to see. I like had it on my list. I was like, this seems like it's right up my alley. And it was. This movie fucking ruled. I watched it. um Not with, but like ah for a podcast, I was originally going to do with my friend Mercedes, where we watch movies we the either hasn't seen. And she misery was one of her favorites. So she picked me to watch it. We record an episode. Maybe I'll see if we can post it on these guys got juice feed, because I don't know if we're actually doing that podcast anymore. But yeah, we could maybe do as so some kind of bonus thing, because, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll we'll figure it out.
01:01:11
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Yeah, cause that's like an hour episode that um was actually pretty good. But, um, um yeah, this, mo he yeah this movie rules though. It's such an awesome ride from front to back. Rob Reiner. Uh,
01:01:26
Speaker
I don't know like this might be the most competently made Stephen King adaptation in terms of just like whoa all around like crowd pleasing like across the board yeah I could like show my parents that it's like stand by me kind of would be up there like I haven't seen Shawshank maybe Shawshank but like that's a parent friendly like it's well made but that's not my favorite ah Stephen King this even by Frank Darabont yeah no not not in terms of like favorite but like you're talking about craft in terms like construction yeah like maybe like best functioning is like a mainstream hit movie you know it's uh it's a just a complete success like five out of Erasure. Erasure. Yeah, I can talk. Well, because I was thinking like I, Dr. Sleep is like maybe my favorite five King adaptation. It's hard to tell. Is that a crowd pleaser? Yeah, like I love Dr. Sleep. But like, I mean, I could show it to my parents. My mom loves that movie. But there's like a group of people that hate it. Like I can't see. They hate its existence. Yeah. Like it's just the fact that it's. Can't be helped.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, this movie just fucking, i I'm not adding anything to the conversation by talking about this. This movie rules. If you hadn't seen it. I need to see it. I've never seen it before. Oh, you haven't? Yeah. it It's really, it's it's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:03
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Shout out former Coen Brothers roommate, Kathy Bates. she She lived with them for a bit when they were like right out of school, I think that was. and Sam Raimi, it was like Sam, Bruce, Campbell, the Coens. Was Francis McDormand there? It was like, it sounds like a sitcom. I'm like, I want to see what was going on. What were they getting up to in there? Oh, hopefully. i'll fucking again Hopefully.
01:03:30
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And Kathy Bates, I mean, she's fantastic and everybody knows that. that There is one moment I want to shout out with ah James Kahn though, right? It's Kahn, not Kahn. Yeah, Kahn.
01:03:41
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He, I won't spoil it, but man, there's like a moment where tension is rising and he is struggling and working up a sweat. And I'm on the edge of my seat watching this grown man struggle. And there's something kind of pathetic about like a man that serious and that tough, like not pathetic, but like, it's like, it was so hard to watch. I'm like, I've seen you be the toughest guy ever. Now you're like,
01:04:11
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oh It's such a great performance that I know like Kathy Bates is the show stealer of that movie, but James Khan fucking loved the guy I was so delighted to see him in this movie playing the role that he does but he's like a Lot is demanded of him to you in this movie, and I just he was a fucking treasure ah He's I just I don't think I have hated him in anything. I've seen him like he just lifts up movies and God damn it. That's another thing this movie has going for it that other King adaptations don't have. They don't have a con. He's just such a strong screen presence. I fucking love him. um Yeah, but yeah, that's misery. um oh So do you want to go to your number seven? Yeah. um i How many weeks ago? It was definitely like just this past
01:05:07
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month maybe last or i mean i guess last month december um i watched universal soldier regeneration for the very first time holy shit you guys uh this movie has no business being as good as it actually is and that's not just me speaking as like a action bro um so john hyams is absolutely cooking in this it's shot so beautifully it's set in like Russia amongst all this like broken down industrial, brutalist shit. There's these insane wide shots of this like, yeah, there's these big crumbling structures. It feels so bleak. ah So I guess I'm not super up on my like universal soldier lineage. But the first one obviously has Jean-Claude Van Damme and Dolph Lundgren banger. And then there were a handful of sequels that happened in the the first one was 92.
01:06:02
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I think there are like two in between the Hymns. You don't have JCVD and Lundgren in them. ah And then this one with Jon and then the Hymns ones, they start the 2000, this Universal Soldier Regeneration came out in 2009. This is the first time JCVD and Lundgren have been back in a Universal Soldier movie in like what? It's like almost two decades, I guess.
01:06:25
Speaker
Um, they're back. They're amazing. ah The other the physical performances are incredible. The combat is fucking brutal. um The story i I really like they instead of i like they I like the the world building and like the expanding of the like of the story and these little details that they kind of go into. like its it's and like Abstract is too strong of a word, but it's not it's not like the first one. i like the the The direction they go into it is is they kind of focus on like a small little aspect of like the experiment. and i mean The idea is that ah
01:07:02
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the U.S. government and military, military yeah yeah, the military has been saving its most, ah his its best soldiers and then resurrecting them through scientific and chemical means, making them into super soldiers that are, you know, robots that'll do whatever they want, which is obviously a potent commentary on the U.S. military, but we won't go to, go won't go there. It's a totally different podcast, but so um this movie rocks. I don't know, they will go there on- Maybe. If you guys want to go there.
01:07:32
Speaker
i mean i I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm i'm i'm smelling what you're cooking. There's there's yeah definitely something to be said for the for how humans are treated as expendable resources and ah the lack of humanity ah ah that's Yeah, you're like sending in death squads basically, like like like automated death squads. um there's ah There's a ah Russian m MMA fighter who's like another bad dude in it. He's awesome. Dolph Lundgren is on screen for maybe like 10-15 minutes total. He's incredible.
01:08:09
Speaker
like Genuinely like haunting. Uh, he's it's it's wow. Yeah um Can't recommend it enough. It's it's it's totally if you've only seen the first one It is not it is not like the first one at all in the best way possible. It looks amazing It's shot like a it was a directed TV movie. It's shot like a like theater blockbuster action movie. Uh and it makes use of every single dollar in its budget. It's just, it's amazing. That's another movie that I watched one night and then I watched it right away the next day. Had to do it. Yeah, it's like not- I might watch that tonight. I don't know. You should watch it. And it's, if it's not like 90, it's right in that ballpark. It's a beautiful thing. Highly recommend.
01:08:55
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I like that. I like that we're getting like vouching for sequels that like, it's almost like when someone vouches for like the sixth entry in like a horror sequel. am i I kind of always just like appreciate that. I'm like, yeah, like, I don't know. It's pretty cool. I'm glad we're getting that in this list. Hell yeah. yeah
01:09:17
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he yes um Okay, so my seven was the killing. We already talked about that. I'll go to my number six, which was our, or should we just go to you? do Let's just go around because we sort of stay on the same number. Yeah. Yeah. Cause we're going to have more overlap too. I think cause my number seven is coherence. And I think you mentioned that might be on your list somewhere too. It's is it would have been in my honorable man i like it was so hard to get just ten But that was like one of the like in the tail end of the year. I was like damn Where's this movie been all my life? So you've seen it like way more recently than I did do you want to break down the plot again? I think you'll do a better job than I would
01:09:57
Speaker
Well, I almost feel like I said we off mic when I was explaining this. I was like, did I tell say too much? Because I when it kind of. that Yeah, the I went in not only knowing that it was like it was a sci-fi thing and you had compared it to like, hey, if you like time crimes, yeah, this i would be a great double feature. Like if you like time crimes and liked our time crimes talking that.
01:10:21
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basically became a time crimes episode we talked to other movies but but that i feel like now known as the time crimes episode but like watch watch watch coherence if you're into that kind of thing like It feels like such a hidden gem. like I don't even remember how I found out about it, but it's one that I'm like,
01:10:40
Speaker
I'm glad I know about it I want to like own it on blu-ray just in case it like it's wiped off the face of the year because this is a movie where I'm like I can see it like disappearing so I really like urge you like check this out buy it if you get the chance it's such a cool little indie movie and they're doing a sequel to I just I just which is really exciting. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm really interested to see what what that even will will be. But it's so creative. It's it's inspiring as like someone who wants to make like low budget. film It's like just it's really proof that like the sky's the limit in terms of ideas. Like you might be able to only show certain things if you have whatever your budget is. But like that doesn't mean you can't do like sci fi. This is a cook.
01:11:28
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Yeah. I mean, this is basically like a so ah Twilight Zone episode, but feature length. that's the but That's my best pitch for it. Like, yeah. It's so cool. It's so fun. And it's streaming on Amazon Prime, Peacock, Tubi, Freebie, and Pluto. Go.
01:11:45
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Watch it immediately. Same thing with time crimes. I always push people for time crimes. you know Watch it immediately. I haven't seen either. time come yeah Do a time crimes coherence double feature if you're ever looking for like trippy sci-fi. You're going to lose your shit for time crimes. I know i know that that's going to be your shit. Yeah. So yeah, that's my number seven. So you want to hit your number six?
01:12:08
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Yes, but before I do, Nick, will you will you look and see if Universal Soldier Regeneration is streaming anywhere? I don't think it is. i did look up so yeah how i get I am looking them up. I'm just forgetting to mention them when like I have space. That one's not streaming anywhere from what I saw. find You can purchase it on Amazon, though. so um Like a physical copy, it looks like. Yeah, you can't rent it because I wanted to rent it slash buy it. to have it I don't have a physical media player because I'm a fake film fan.
01:12:37
Speaker
Just do what I'm doing with a foreign movies. are like I'm buying European and just waiting for when I eventually get a region-free player. But luckily, like if I do 4Ks, 4Ks are all region-free and the bonus features, I'll just have to wait till I get a region-free player. I'm like, you know oh I'll get the device eventually. yeah but I'll own it now while it's at like a decent price or something. but um you're You're playing the long game.
01:13:05
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I encourage people buy from other countries. They're cheaper and their movies are way cooler. Like my, it won't benefit from showing it. This is an audio medium, but I have the 4k like edition of a Godzilla minus one from Europe. And it's so fucking cool. Our 4k edition is boring and just shit with no bonus feature. This has like four discs and it's like,
01:13:30
Speaker
I'm like, this is going to be like a collector's item. It's like a box set just because it's 4K. And that's like how all their 4Ks are. Just cool collector's items. The only thing like that happening here is like Arrow. And Arrow is super expensive, but check out Arrow 4Ks if you get a chance. I just got the reanimator 4K. That's my 4K corner. I've been digging into that a lot.
01:13:52
Speaker
No, I endorse everything you were just saying, but I did a little bit of ah lurking around. The full movie is on YouTube for free. I don't think it's, uh, it's, it's 360 P. That's what you're capped at. So that's, you know, not ideal, but if, if you're like Jonesing and you're like, I need to watch this now, you know, that' that's you know yeah that that might tide you over. So, you know, and until, until you get like the hit of the the good stuff.
01:14:22
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hell yeah Okay, next up for me, it was it was me, but i but I got a sidetrack because I because i badgered you about where could where the movie could be watched. um Next up for me is Kill.
01:14:34
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i yeah this i Love that simultaneous ah reaction that's beautiful. um Wow. I have not stopped thinking or talking about Kill all year. I think I've- Why is everyone not talking about Kill? Why is no one talking about this movie? Why is this not like a streaming hit right now? It's because it's not streaming anywhere. You have to buy or rent it. and Netflix. Get on it. good Be useful.
01:15:03
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um my Netflix was a huge part of why RRR crossed over. I mean, it didn't have theatrical. It was successful like in international theatrical ones. No, but you're right though. Netflix was a huge part of that. That should be like their job now. If they're going to be useful, it's like you you've done good by international film just to do that, by kill. Please God. I bought i won't um won't forgive all the evil stuff you've done to theaters, but like at least like do something good. something yeah Do something else.
01:15:32
Speaker
Give this movie a platform. Please God. Um, wow. I can't remember. Like I've had, I've been fortunate to have some pretty amazing theatrical experiences this year, but I don't know that I've left a movie feeling like I actually physically got the shit beat out of me this year. Like I did like kill left my body, like actually exhausted afterwards. I saw it alone in like a pretty empty, very sparsely populated theater. and I was like on the edge of my seat like breathing heavy like gripping my like gripping the cup holders. Um, I the choreography in that is just it's just fucking mind-blowing. It makes me crazy and that also is like ah hits me in my like lifelong dancer so that spot. Like I think that's a huge part of why martial arts movies are so
01:16:27
Speaker
It just clicks with me. that's It's art, it's dance. that's two two or There's so many bodies. There's so many people fighting at the same time and kill. like how any of that shit How you can get 15 people to do anything in a coordinated fashion is beyond me, even if you're not doing like dangerous hand-to-hand combat within the confines of a fucking subway car.
Creative Filmmaking on a Budget
01:16:49
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Exactly. That's I was gonna say in such a small space. Yeah. They used, oh my God, they use it every single nanometer of that, of that like set piece is absolutely utilized. I love it. Really smart filmmaking too. Yes. Cause you really don't need a whole train to really film that you can reuse a couple cars, redress them. Right. It's like budget wise, like it's kind of great for an action film. Yeah. I didn't think about that until right now.
01:17:17
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it's i mean and It's so brutal and bloody. I love that about it. It humanizes our villains. A lot of these people aren't dastardly masterminds. like These are poor people who have grown up in like a world where, like yeah, stealing is part of how we survive.
01:17:40
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uh they don't have many options right and i don't want to say too much so i'll leave it at that but i appreciate that we have a great villain performance i don't remember the actor's name and i would probably butcher the pronunciation but oh my god amazing villain performance so memorable and so you're like oh fuck this guy yes yeah we fucked this guy um you get the, like, emotional fallout of, like, you're not just seeing people get the shit beat out of them, you're seeing what happens when their loved ones, like, are, you know, made
Praise for the Film 'Kill'
01:18:13
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aware of that fact. You see grief and loss in it as well. um I just, like, I can't think of an American action movie that's come out in recent years, if not
01:18:26
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yeah ever I don't know that like gets you full spectrum human emotion within that level of brutality and it doesn't feel like trite or forced it just it all it it's just a great all around movie but some of the finest action I've seen in my entire life It really does take its time to have really lovely moments. um Yeah, it's not nonstop fighting. like The fighting is brutal and like so ah visceral, but like you feel it more because they spend the time to flesh out everyone, like including the villains, like that these are all people who got some shit to happen into
Accessing Limited Distribution Films
01:19:09
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them.
01:19:09
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Yeah, this movie has lived in my mind just way longer than I would say the past two John Wicks did after I saw them. Even though chapter four was really good, it was a great way to end it. Oh yeah, I love four, but I think I might agree with it. I think about Kill often.
01:19:30
Speaker
I think Kill is one of the best films of 2024. Yeah, it's an honorable mention. It's in my top 15, I think, of the year, actually. Yeah, prefer for one for mine, too. Yeah, because just having to make it 10, it was hard to to pick who did to fit in there. But ah ah yeah, you should just buy it because it is such a great movie. But again, if you're jonesing for it, it is on Daily Motion, which is like an international YouTube like I found a lot of stuff that like doesn't have great distribution over here like that's where I watched ah
01:20:05
Speaker
What was the Godzilla before? Minus one? Uh, Godzilla. Shin Godzilla. Shin Godzilla. Yeah. Like you, I don't even know if you can rent that anywhere right now. Like, uh, so I mean, kill actually is available friend by, and you should buy it. But like, again, like if the, uh, daily motion is available and it looks like it is, it's, ah it's like HD. It's not like a shitty low res. I mean, I don't think what's up. No worries.
01:20:29
Speaker
i I don't think new movies have, like, lower than 720p, but I don't think they make standard definition for new movies. So, wait, so Doug, is Shin Godzilla something that's harder to come by nowadays? Now, there was a moment around its release when, you know, it got a it got a theatrical run of limited one here and then There was a you know physical media release but now you would need to i think you might need to order like one of those like region free or international.
01:21:04
Speaker
Copies if you want like a a thing now at least last I was looking I don't think there's at least no way Digitally to just last I checked like I could be completely wrong now and it's back up Available. No, I haven't checked cuz I had I bought it on voodoo um because I didn't want to break out my blu-ray one time, but now I'm wondering if voodoo like erased it from my collection like they've been known to do from time to time and You just mentioning that made me think like I should check my account to see if they don't pay you back for these movies. They just take from you. That's fucked up that you can.
01:21:41
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quote, like you don't own it. Like that they can just like remove it. You're actually like, I gave you money. So, yeah. I mean, that should happen. When movie, when a 24 bots stop making sense, they just took it off of my library. And then I had to buy it with like a 24 is logo on it. And I'm like, the guys, this is horseshit, the handmaiden. I bought that Amazon decided that they were going to make it their exclusive to their streaming service. So I just had to eat the cost. Like it's crazy that they can get away with this.
01:22:11
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they can't keep but away with this they can't keep get why we're on shingao let me just quickly say that would have been one of my honorable mentions ah again like if i not a hundred percent it's on its availability it's on daily motion last i checked i think it might be my favorite god zi like i love minus one but like Shin Godzilla's doing spus it's it's like Doug Nip ah and it does it does help that it's ah He did okay.
Exploration of Lynch's 'Lost Highway'
01:22:44
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No, am I saying? No from me on Genesis Evangelion
01:22:50
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this that he made it and you can feel the fingerprints of that on it in terms of like there is this apocalyptic. I mean, other gods, those scary and other movies, but there's like there's like moments in this where I'm like, this just feels like end times like this is like with you, you're not coming back. How are you coming back from this this this like fucking cataclysmic thing happening? ah It's it's so good. and Doug, you are right. I don't know how, i I still own it on my Voodoo, but you can't purchase it anymore from Voodoo. It's not streaming anywhere. It's so strange how that movie, I didn't know it just vanished from streaming. I'm glad I own a fucking Blu-ray copy of that movie.
01:23:40
Speaker
They shouldn't just be able to yank it. like Yeah, that's crazy. that's Yeah, that's ridiculous. um It's your number six now, right, Doug? Oh, is it? and I lost track of of time and space. No, I think I derailed this whole thing. I think we've all been derailing. It's OK.
01:23:58
Speaker
That this is a derailing episode and I think we're having important conversations about uh accent because that's at the end of the day Everyone should be able to watch every movie. I don't yeah fucking like this bullshit where like rights or whatever like the things that don't become available especially when it's a great movie that's I just let people watch it. I'll give you the money. Let me fucking watch it And I don't want to get hung up on it because I've been very physical media, like heavy on this episode, but God, that's the safest way. Like they, yeah they can't take that at least, at least not yet. They can't take your DVDs away and they can't take away your education. Yeah. Well, yet. Yeah. Yeah. They can just put things in my food to make me dumber over time or something. so I think that, I think that might've been happening for me already.
01:24:50
Speaker
So anyway, ah my number six is Lost Highway. ah I've tell yeah like but for so long, most of my connection to Lynch was primarily Twin Peaks. Like I'd seen Mahalan Drive and I'd seen Blue Velvet, but like I had like like really like really, really like ah tried to like go through his movies and like man, Lost Highway ah hit hit me like a fucking freak that that movie like. OK, if we if we if we take Twin Peaks out of consideration, because that does have some of the most frightening imagery and stuff ever and then that. But like there's a thing there's a scene in this kind of maybe kind of multiple scenes in Lost Highway that I would say are scarier than the part in Mahalan Drive that people say is the scare. I'm not saying that that moment in Mahalan Drive isn't really scary, but like
01:25:47
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There's a scarier, for me, there's a scarier thing with Robert Blake, specifically. And then I don't want to like spoil anything about the, even though this movie's from 1997. There's like a lot of interesting meta context in terms of what was happening in the 90s that Lynch was inspired by. um Throw out OJ. ah This is kind of an OJ movie ah in some ways. ah And actors who have maybe done similar OJ things are cast in it like Robert Blake who plays this really scary mystery guy who has like a painted kabuki face almost he looks like like like a ghost man you could say David Lynch had the juice
01:26:34
Speaker
that we should just end the, like, not to end this episode, but the podcast itself. We're done. We're done. We did it. We were all just working up to this. Shut it down. Yeah. Launch the nukes. Launch them. Yeah. I mean, the world doesn't really need to be around now that this is over. Now that I said that.
01:26:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean you can't really spoil a Lynch film like even if I was to tell you like what happens that's not gonna really like give you like the feeling of like Experiencing it is I I just I I'm just not gonna give it too much away other than like if you love noir ah Like watch this movie like especially like once you reach a certain point it's like doing the throwback yeah like Lynch stuff has this like this, like for me, really compelling inner balance where it's like, yeah, it is modern day, right? Because they're using like phone like modern-looking phones and and things. But it's also kind of the 50s, culturally. And they really, really embrace that in in this in ah in a way that, and aesthetically, in terms of the way it's shot. There's a shot of Patricia Arquette on the phone where like her whole face is in shadow except for her mouth and like the like bottom receiver of the phone. and it's like
01:27:52
Speaker
one of the most fucking transfixing things I've ever seen. yeah watch many years i got a revisit She's incredible in it. ah Like made to be a lynched girl. Like i I kind of wish they had worked on us. Like he could have got her in Twin Peaks to return somewhere. I don't know. ah no ah You know my sensibility. This movie sounds fucking interesting. I actually it was like almost completely off my Lynch radar. I was like so focused on other movies he had put out. You know my sensibility. Do you think I can get down with this one?
01:28:27
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's weird, but it's not. I think I think you've hyped up in your mind a lot of like like you still haven't watched Blue Velvet. I don't know. I don't think I hyped him up. Eraserhead was a big start, man. That movie was. It's weird. Everything what people said it was. Right. But you handled it. And if you can handle that. Yeah. but yeah yeah also Mulholland Drive was also way more digestible than people make it yeah seem to believe. It's like an easy watch. um i kind It's easy, it's simple to interpret, I understand it. I actually understood it before anybody else did. so Well, no, I but i like had a read on it and I it like no lined up at the blank deck when I was like, this is like the big like thing. this is like They recorded a four-hour episode on... like the like
01:29:17
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I don't know. I was expecting to be like so thrown off by it, but it was kind of like on my wavelength more than
Appreciation for Noir Films
01:29:25
Speaker
I thought it would be. It has the reputation of being indecipherable. I feel like...
01:29:29
Speaker
Eraserhead is almost his I saw haven't seen Inland Empire, but like that almost feels like his most abstract. And then even as weird as the other ones get, like they have plots like you can like follow what's the journey these characters are going on, even if you don't literally understand each thing. I think just like on a vibes level in like the ideas this movie is playing with, you would find pretty compelling. Nick, you should watch it. thought Yeah, I'd be interested to know what you think about it.
01:29:59
Speaker
This one is streaming on Criterium, but it also I think just got a Criterium 4K release that probably has some incredible bonus features on that. So Doug, if I get that and you want to watch these bonus features, you can feel free to... You get to go on an OJ chase if you opened the 4K. Yeah, I put it on and it's just the eight hour OJ documentary. You open it up and there's keys oh to a white Bronco inside the DVD case. And there's like sirens like outside like, oh fuck, we gotta get out of here.
01:30:35
Speaker
Yeah, Kim Kardashian's dad is telling me not to kill myself in his daughter's bedroom or something. Juice. Juice. Juice. We're back.
01:30:46
Speaker
<unk>pher This is maybe our juiciest episode. So juicy. Yeah. Sorry for interrupting, though, Doug. No, that's all I had to say. Watch Lost Highway. Watch David Lynch. Great film. One of those filmmakers for even F3 watching, filling in some blind spots. Like I said, I still got to watch Inland Empire. It's like, it feels like impossible to rank. Like, I was trying to rank Scorsese movies recently because I had filled in some blind... I'm like, this is... A fool's errand. What do I even... I mean, maybe I could erk out like a one and two, but then after that I'm like, uh, they're all masterpieces?
Streaming Classic Films Concerns
01:31:27
Speaker
like oh yeah but Can I just read the plot description of this movie? You didn't do that already, Doug, right? No, you should read it. It just sounds so good. It's so it's a tormented jazz musician finds himself lost in an inad and ah enigmatic story involving murder, surveillance, gangsters, doppelgangers and an impossible transformation inside a prison cell. That sounds riveting. Yeah, so that's that's all of it. um um And this is I guess this movies of would
01:32:00
Speaker
be related because it's an honorable ah mention that I watched last year. But that threw me to the movie. Like I heard in passing, I probably from the the blank check episode that like Lynch was inspired by the 1945 noir detour, which has a jazz musician like kind of on the road trying to get away from some shit. And it's it there's definitely some overlap and then some weird like real life overlap in terms of the OJ of it. I don't know. It's it's it's interesting. I did record a bonus, ah like a commentary on that during Noirevember that I never uploaded just because the shit's been been so hectic, but I'm going to upload that at some point because I feel like, especially if we do end up watching Lost Highway or maybe doing some ah
01:32:52
Speaker
some kind of episode on that like the de detour watching watching that after-loss highway is like really interesting companion piece of like the they feel in conversation with you thought with each other and just watch old no noir like so much of it is on Tubi uh Tubi is for like all the classics the noirs Tubi is that girl once again Tubi is that girl now and forever because I saw some statistic that the oldest movie on Netflix now is The Sting, which is a great movie, like a fucking love that movie, but that's from 1973.
Podcast Dynamic Reflection
01:33:29
Speaker
And that's kind of, we should have ah movies from much earlier available, like every, ah if if we if we live in an age where everything should be available at our fingertips, I want there to be like all the decades, like everything should be,
01:33:45
Speaker
be able to be seen, but whether it ends up being your kind of thing or not. like Just let people be able to experience it. ah Yeah, especially noirs from that era. And not just like the Humphrey Bogart, like the big one with the big name stars. like I've been getting into like like the B-movie like noirs of, like yeah, they don't don't um they don't have the budget, but like there's still some there's still some juice there. So like yeah, just just go through 2B and like to throw on a random...
01:34:13
Speaker
treat yourself hopefully yeah Yeah, grow up guys grow up them Yeah, I'm gonna say this now guys. I think this is shaping up to be one of our best steps I'm like so wrapped up in everything you guys are saying it's like Maybe also, too, there's a little bit of pressure really not having to talk as much because it's like we all get our space to talk. It's fucking I'm really enjoying this, though. I just love movies. yeah of You guys. I don't know. We're talking about at least 30 movies right now. Definitely more than 30. I think we've already talked about 30 movies and we're like halfway through the 10. We've covered every Batman.
01:35:00
Speaker
You've done a lot. And we're about to roll commentaries for everything. And my number six is arguably a Batman movie. Yeah.
Praise for 'I Saw the Devil'
01:35:11
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My number six is I Saw the Devil. I don't know if you guys have seen. I haven't seen it kind of. I've seen it. Yeah. I mean, Batman. I mean, a little bit elaborate, please.
01:35:29
Speaker
And just I just kept thinking that this guy just goes full. I don't want to spoil it. Actually, this Batman might be a little shocked at this this dude. He might be like my my lord. ah I mean, it's this movie. It's bleak. It's brutal.
01:35:49
Speaker
It's got some really fucked up, like, hard things to sit through. But God himself is in it like the cast is great. Yeah, the cast is great. But like the for how much this movie makes you endure, God damn it, does it fucking pay off? Like it really rewards you as an audience member.
01:36:14
Speaker
From time and time again, you keep getting your satisfaction you want after these horrific moments. and And there's like parts where you're like, how is this movie going to pop? There's time I would keep checking the runtime, not as like an I'm bored thing, but me as like, well, the movie narratively, we're running out of runway, right? Like we got to be wrapping this up pretty soon because you're like, what's the plot going to be? But the way it ae is able to like.
01:36:42
Speaker
it It doesn't feel over long. I'm just saying like the experience of watching it, you're not going to be able to guess of like how the places this movie takes you. It's it's ah it's a pretty wild ride. and Yeah. This is one of my favorite, I think like serial killer movies I've ever seen. It just, if you can even call it that it, this movie, it's got serial killers in it. So yeah. Yeah. It just, it goes hard and it just, it rewards you as an audience member, unlike any like revenge type of movie that I can really think of.
01:37:21
Speaker
And yeah, like, I think I'll stand by my Batman comparison. I really, i the whole time I was watching, I'm like, this dude's like Batman, you know? But ah yeah, I- The way he wears his motorcycle helmet almost feels intentionally like they're trying to evoke that at points. Yeah.
01:37:40
Speaker
And I mean you can watch this movie it's on Prime, Peacock, Tubi, Pluto. Tubi's just kind of bringing it all today. But um it's directed by Kim G. Woon. He did another movie I've been very interested in ah called The Last Stand starring Schwarzenegger. That's one that I really want to I think that was his first movie back, actually. um And it seems like an interesting story. He did. i'm I'm interested in that era of Schwarzenegger because I am it initially like wasn't that interested. But then the ones I've seen from it are like, hmm, this is this is not what I would have expected. Oh, he's also done the good, the bad and the weird. A Korean.
01:38:26
Speaker
Western, I believe it is. It looks like it's combining a lot of genres, but ah it's it I've heard good things about it and it looks pretty pretty wild. So I went, oh, and it's got the it's got Batman from I Saw the Devil. So he's he's in it. And he did a movie called A Bitter Sweet Life that I really want. I really want to see. I think I'll have to purchase it somewhere, though, that and this movie, Cobweb, that came out last year. I almost saw it in theaters. I kind of wish I did, but oh the dad from parasite is also in the good the bad yeah he's a great filmmaker and he did great work i saw the devil is uh an incredible movie so if you can handle just really dark movies that yeah i guess like trigger warning it's the The bad stuff that would be in a serial killer movie is... It's all there. all It's all there and more. and yeah Implications make things so much worse. Just you as an audience member thinking about things. The implications, what you see is pretty bad too. yeah so it's it's all pretty terrible um so if you can endure that i highly recommend i saw the devil it's one that you're fucking sick of you'll be fucking fist pumping at a certain point yeah you'll just be like yeah fucking get your revenge man it's so
01:39:54
Speaker
Yeah.
Transformative Effect of Films
01:39:55
Speaker
Revenge is unambiguously good. It's always good. It's always good. It should be very good. Ephiriosa taught us anything. Yeah, yeah it's you own cross no problems with it. Yeah. See, that's my number six. I saw the devil. Hell yeah.
01:40:12
Speaker
I almost keep when I say that I saw the devil glow. I want to define it and I saw the TV glow. I've almost said I saw the TV glow a couple times. I think it's because yesterday we talked about it a couple days ago. That would be such a weird crossover. Now I'm thinking of mashing those. Talk about endings that fuck you up.
01:40:35
Speaker
No, Jesus. Yeah, I made the I won't say it was fully an error because the movie is incredible. And I'm so glad that I watched it. But I watched I saw the TV glow at 830am on a Monday morning. Fucked my whole shit up. I just sat at 830am on a Monday morning. I was like, Well, I'm pretty secure in my gender identity. I think I'm going to be fine.
01:40:55
Speaker
so nope you're like him narrator she was not fine like you just sat in silence kind of like dissociating for about 10 20 minutes I was like I guess I'm gonna gonna get dressed and go outside okay hello um so yeah there's that hell yeah movies that fuck you up Well, guys, we're at the halfway point. I did want to do that. Actually, we don't have to do that on this episode. That was one of the topics I had possibly for 2024 movies that made us cry. But I think this is a cry cover. So much more stuff now to know i like hear about me crying to the 430 movie, you know. I want to hear about, I mean, I was there. ah Yeah. I'm trying to think. I'm not, I'm not like a big, like I have a lot of feelings, but I'm not much of a crier like in real life or in in real life. No, I'm talking about movies. What I was going to say next, if you could deal with like not cutting me off because I'm a woman, if you could just relax for a second. Can you just show up for a second?
01:42:06
Speaker
should shut shut Shut your mouth. um Yeah, not big not big cry in real life, not a big cryer in movies, but what i think I can only think of one movie that actually made me cry this year, and i it was The Wild Robot.
01:42:20
Speaker
Oh, I haven't seen that yet. I thought it was lovely. I mean, it's absolutely gorgeous animation. And like, yeah, add it's a bit, you know, predictable as far as the story goes. But I think I thought it was a lovely movie. And Lapita is amazing. um Love her. She's so good. Pedro Pascal's performance is miles better than his a Gladiator. that that That's his redemption. um Yeah.
01:42:44
Speaker
Have you seen slight tangents, Zoe? Have you? We never do tangents here, but you've seen us, right? Unheard of on this podcast. Us, yes. You've seen us with the, okay. I just want to make sure, because we would have had to stop the podcast and watch it right now. And then kick me off and delete all my audio track. No, I was like, no, we're going to make you watch it right now. Or it could just be me and Doug with occasional long moments of silence on this episode.
01:43:16
Speaker
And the modes of silence is when we're going to watch us. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
High Praise for 'Dawn of the Planet of the Apes'
01:43:22
Speaker
OK, I think yeah i'm I'm up again. um My. It's yeah not I won't say it's my number five, but my my halfway point here is a movie that I talked about. It's one of two movies that I talked about so much this year that I was banned from talking about them for the rest of the year by my best friend, um Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.
01:43:43
Speaker
um Oh, that was the, this was the first time you had seen it this year. i this year but I've watched it like all the way through. I've watched it four or five times and I've turned it on at just whatever point. Like, Oh my God. I don't know. no Seven, eight, nine, 10 times. Did you watch the whole trilogy for the first time this year?
01:44:05
Speaker
No, so I saw a rise when it came out in theaters, like however many thousands of years ago that was. 2011 or whenever. And then this year I watched Dawn of the Planet of the Apes for the first time, and then I watched War of the Planet of the Apes, which also- And then you watched like the original sequels too. And then I went back and I watched, the only ones I haven't seen are Battle for the Planet of the Apes, which we're going to bring it back to Phantom of the Paradise because Paul Williams is in it.
01:44:30
Speaker
Um, he certainly is. And then I haven't seen the Tim Burton one with Mark Wahlberg. Okay. So nearly just one you haven't seen. So yeah you're good. You've seen them all, but, um, got some stuff. i I'll make a case for them.
01:44:45
Speaker
Oh, wait, you said you didn't see battle. I have not seen battle and I've not seen the temporary one. Watching all the original at all sequels is where I mean, so you had an ape test. Conquest also fucks. That almost made my my year endless. It's got Roddy McDowell. Wow. conquest is like my so third favorite apes movie i think that that one rules um so is don your favorite or are you just saying it because it was the first you watched of the apes movies don is my favorite of all of them that have ever been made okay and it was one of my favorite movies of this entire year i talked about it and so i still talk about it incessantly um uh
01:45:28
Speaker
Andy Serkis as Caesar. Wow. Toby Kibble as Koba. Like, we're no one is talking about this enough besides me because I'm talking about it so much that my friends say that I have to stop talking about it. Um, this is an incredible, incredible movie. ah Just like heart wrenching performances. Jason Clark is amazing. I was gonna say I think that one gets the human one the element better than yeah some of the other modern apes movies do.
01:45:55
Speaker
Yes. It's got the best human villain too, I think. I think ah Gary Oldman blows Woody Harrelson out of the water. Yeah. But Woody Harrelson does say it's going to become a play. He is my least favorite thing about that movie. I think he's having fun doing his Colonel Kurtz thing. It's okay. Let him play. I think i think Maybe I'm just so won over by Apocalypse now in in an eight. I didn't need them to write it on the wall. Apocalypse didn't need to be there, but the rest of the stuff was cool. I get it. I think later that year, maybe earlier, I think this was the same year I got rewarded with his ah Edge of 17 performance. I was like, this is the Woody that I want. I want to just give him a hug and hold on to him. um You like holding on the Woody's?
01:46:48
Speaker
Have you guys seen age of 17? Yeah, I do, Doug. Yes. No, but I was going to bring up... Woody Harrelson is so fucking good in Triple Nine. That's like one of my favorite Woody Harrelsons. That's an honorable mention for for that. that's That's like, if you want to ah a modern heist movie, ah I can recommend it. Is that Aaron Paul? Darryl from The Walking Dead. Casey Affleck, Anthony Mackey.
01:47:18
Speaker
No, no, no. Um, uh, Oh my God. Come on brain. Um, sure. What'll, no. and we got i she a told che cheap edge My brain is melting right now. Yeah. it's yeah and man me yeah the right in it Okay. I was, I was gaslighting myself just now. You're not, you're not racist. There are two different black people in it. Kate Winslet in triple frontier or triple nine. Triple frontier was mad. Okay. But Kate wins it in triple nine. My brain is, my brain is doing too. You guys are getting me all excited. Triple Frontier is the other Affleck? Yes, that's the other Affleck, and it's yeah it's been okay. It's okay. I think all i think all the guys that that cast should have just, they should have just fucked. I would have rather watched that than watch them fail at ah at their their jobs. i'm I'm a big Triple Frontier proponent, but I- That would've been interesting. They're like, we have to go to the forest to retrieve this, but they don't because they all just fuck the whole time.
01:48:17
Speaker
i was on i'm not saying that's not a better movie i'm just i'm saying There's something to to the one. No, but triple nine. ah Wow. Great cast. Great tension. Great every just like you. Everything that you're like, I want this in a heist movie. Yeah, it delivers. You're going to get it. And oh, the score, the score fucks like we I talked about in our the top 10 of 2024. Like how many great scores like ah this is
01:48:52
Speaker
uh Attica Atticus Ross uh I'm not familiar with the the other collaborators uh the Hexen cloak I believe is an alias of some other uh music also Michael Kenneth Williams he's so good at it rip miss him he should be in everything and to I'm not as good as all the other actors but yeah i don't I don't turn off the TV when get the couple scenes Gal Gadot's in. i mean it's like it's not It's not a lot of screen time. I think it's because she plays a lady who sucks.
01:49:31
Speaker
That would be funny if you did turn off the TV and time it for her team. And then you turned it back on. ah she She should be off screen now. And just guessing, like I didn't do any research. Oh no, that's her. Just vibes. yeah um I used my Dawn section to to yell about ah triple nine instead.
01:49:52
Speaker
But Dawn of the Planet of Vapes is an incredible movie. yeah I feel like this was like the peak of how good like mocap and like computer animation could look. It looks fucking incredible. like Things just don't look that good anymore. And ah I want to... It makes me...
01:50:15
Speaker
Upset in my heart that I can't hang out with Maurice I want to hang out with Maurice the orangutan
Discussion of 'Triple Nine'
01:50:21
Speaker
so fucking bad. It actually hurts me some days i' thatll just turn on right now Doug don't don't piss me off sons the actor that plays Maurice ah Her name is Karen... maurice bes Yeah, his name is Maurice the Orangutan and he's real. He's my friend. like yeah He's real and he's my friend. um and she plays A woman does his ah is it plays him. Her name is Karen something. I don't know. I can't think of her last time at the top of my head, but I'll just turn on that movie because I want to hang out with my ape friends. Have you guys seen Kokomo the treasure hunter?
01:50:56
Speaker
no It's about a girl who's like convinced Fargo is real, but I was just imagining you like in that movie, everyone's like, it's just a movie. like It's fake. And you're like, yeah it's not fake. It's real. It really happened. I appreciate you guys joking about my real friends and the stuff that they've had to go through. Cause it's, I don't think, I don't think it's funny. So I don't know. Maybe we should just move on. I'm really upset now. Maurice is going through the same thing the cast of the Blair Witch Project were going through. People were like, oh no people. We just watched us snuff though. What the fuck. Hell he yeah
01:51:45
Speaker
um Did you have any more to say about Donababe? No, but I think you should tell people where it's where we can watch it. It's streaming on Hulu right now. Nice. I almost just guessed, and I was like, it's on HBO. Warner Brothers did this, right? I thought it was on Max. I mean, it was recently. I thought Warner Brothers did it, right? No, it's Fox. So Fox is Disney and Disney Hulu, yeah. Oh, yeah, Kingdom was Fox. I just assumed Reeves, Warner Brothers, got him in the pocket. So yeah, I almost just randomly said the wrong streaming sermons. You're almost dead.
John Woo's 'A Better Tomorrow'
01:52:20
Speaker
Doug, what's what's this guy's deal, dude? but's it's just where where Where do we find these people? I'm good with this, Doug. It was an open, you know, audition. I'm the one who showed up. It was a real casting couch situation, though. oh Favorite, favorite first watches of 2024, mixed casting couch tape.
01:52:46
Speaker
ah That's going to be on the Patreon tier above the heist one. Yeah. That's like, you got to really shell out if you want that shit. Oh, man. All right. He's a star. Sorry. The star was born.
01:53:03
Speaker
key My number five is pretty special to me because I think you and me, Zoe, and and Nick, to you know you were you were in on a movie related to this, but like ah we there was definitely a ah an era of last year where were we were just mainlining Woo. And ah so A Better Tomorrow ah is my number five. Chaoyoung, Phat.
01:53:29
Speaker
is just like no one else has ever done it. Like it's like if I was look up uh charisma in the or just like a chemistry in the dictionary and just like was it a flip oh it's a it' shocking fact right there uh yeah it's it's it's all great i mean you're not going to really go wrong with at least from the ones i've seen any of his wu collaborations but a better tomorrow i feel like in terms of like emotionally like the journey you go on in that like it it really
01:54:04
Speaker
it really put put you put you through some stuff and yeah i want to i i need to get around to watching the the sequel because yeah here how you follow that up with aqquel but um Yeah, Better Tomorrow, Fox, ah John Woo, Fox. um And if you haven't, we're at the midway point. I just want to remind people, of my previous movies, Lost Highway, maybe The Killing fits this theme less, but Nosferatu, Clute, Phantom. I think that these are all movies about yearning. i i Not that this was like a realization, but i yeah, I don't know. I'm i'm bit i'm a bit of a yearner. So maybe I'm drawn to movies where there's
01:54:45
Speaker
some characters are doing some yearning so uh because this is like there's I mean we've talked about it the gay sub not even subtext yeah it's just text it's just regular text yeah John Woo makes movies about boyfriends but but it's fine purveyor of boyfriend cinema It's like 100% the text in A Better Tomorrow. It's not even like, and they don't even, I mean, there are women in the movie, but they're not even like trying to pretend of like, that's their girlfriends that they love and they go home to and are totally having sex with. It was like, no, it's, these men love each other. So- The wardrobe in this movie is,
01:55:30
Speaker
Impeccable. mean the entire look bone yeah The entire look of it has the most beautiful grain on the film and just the colors are so just stunning. It's obviously shot so well. i it's just ah it's ah ah It's a feast for the eyes among so many other things. Yeah, get the the recent 4K restoration. I think that's what we watched. us say yeah Whatever version of it that you and I watched was stunning.
01:55:57
Speaker
If that's not available to you, I think some of the other sites, yeah, it is on Dailymotion. It is an HD on there. So it's not like this is like in 100p or some grainy thing you can't see, but like it's worth buying. Honestly, like if I see like a There's got to be like a woo box set, because I feel like I just need to own it all. Yeah. Criterion has to pick up these movies eventually. They have to. Somebody from Criterion is listening to this, and they're going to take off our suggestion. John Criterion, please.
01:56:35
Speaker
yeah You're our only hope. I love how quickly you improv'd the name John. What was I talking about? John Woo. Yeah. It was a real quantum leap for him.
01:56:47
Speaker
ah he He broke a sweat. I do the same thing. I will just reach for what's right there sometimes. Low hanging fruit. I mean, it's OK. It's simple, but that's what character's names are a lot of the times. Like the Saw movies are about John Saw. Halo's about John Halo. You know, like there's just like a lot of, you know, John's just like a default. So whatever.
Personal Reflection on 'Coraline'
01:57:11
Speaker
Yeah. Denzel Washington, his sequel is John David Washington.
01:57:15
Speaker
yeah Nice. Very nice. That's good. You're funny, Nick. yeah We're all funny.
01:57:28
Speaker
We're all funny. Yeah, you throw enough shit at the wall, eventually something's gonna stick. It's a numbers game. Yeah, you guys don't realize how heavily edited these are. We take out all the- If the joke doesn't land, it's gone. There are some episodes where it's like all duds I'm throwing, and I'm like, I'll never re-listen to this. I like half-heartedly edit it, and I'm like, there it is. It's up. Yeah. Fucking animal. Don't remember any of those episodes. I mean, because even if I'm not laughing or busted up in the moment, I've i've never walked away from like, man, Nick fucking sucked. Nick fucking bombed today. Absolutely bombed. ah bring It happens so often, it's hard to tell, you know?
01:58:14
Speaker
Oh, and I bring tomatoes to throw at you if you are bad, but I have it. I've never had to use them. I just ended up eating them. And then I'm like, get a stomach ache. Cause I'm like, why do I eat so many tomatoes? You're eating raw tomatoes like a psychopath. You're going to put on a watch list for that. I don't like that. All that fruit. All right, Nick, you're up.
01:58:39
Speaker
All right, so I'm cheating with my number five a little bit. It's a movie I've seen before, but it kind of changed for me on this viewing and I saw it in a format that I had never seen it before. Okay, we'll allow it.
01:58:55
Speaker
Yeah, my number five is Coraline. I'd seen it in 3D when they did that 3D re-release, which I guess made like $33 million dollars or something like that, um which makes me think they will re-release this in 3D again, which is awesome because I put it in my review that it made me Very sad that this might be the only time I'll ever get to see this in 3d because it was an incredible ah Experience. I love these stop-motion things in 3d. It started with seeing a nightmare before Christmas in 40x when I was in California and that was like just one of the best transfers from non 3d to 3d movie i had ever seen and i was like i gotta get on the stop motion thing i think stop motion is the best use of 3d and the coreline kind of proved it right it looked incredible i was just drawn in in a way that i had never been drawn in before.
01:59:51
Speaker
And this is a movie I've actually seen very, very many times. I had an ex-girlfriend. We dated for almost like four years. Coraline was one of her favorite movies. It was like all movies I didn't like. It was like Coraline, the Across the Universe Beatles movie. I like couldn't stand. But then she introduced me to like a movie that stuck with me my whole life, like Dazed and Confused. But then you know it so it's like i'd like to carry like movies with me from people that like have been important to me throughout my life and carline is one i've revisited since we've broken up just been like what did she get out of this movie cuz she wasn't like and she was a tough girl and this is a very like sweet movie
02:00:39
Speaker
And I was like what did she like, what drew her to these like sweet movies? and there was something i just And I never understood it. I never really like actually liked the movie any time I had watched it. But there was something about this experience in the movie theater. I was just like so right wrapped in there about this like girl that like just wants to break out of the world that she's living in because it's it' not for her. It's like not quite her speed. And I kind of walked out of it having a better understanding of this woman that I dated so long ago. And it's like,
02:01:24
Speaker
I don't know I'm not one of those people that's like resentful or hates my exes or anything it's like that seems so wrong and it's like you know her and I don't really talk we don't communicate I'm actually so close with like some of her family a little bit but it's like her and I wouldn't be on talking terms at all but there was just something about this like I feel like I had a better understanding of her and I had a greater appreciation of this movie and I was kind of like moved in a way I was like this time period for my life like 10 years ago like just got brought to the forefront again and it like brought back good memories it brought back bad memories
02:02:03
Speaker
But it like, I don't know, it was a very like cathartic experience that also brought like a little bit of clarity and kind of felt in a little way like ah I was revisiting a simpler time in my life, you know. And yeah, I just um really valued my experience with this movie.
02:02:33
Speaker
That's beautiful, man. I'm I'm I'm like, I mean, i've I've been affected by a lot of the movies I watched last year, but you're like having having such like profound break. I'm like, that you sound like you're getting more out of the movies than I'm getting out of therapy. So I should just like fire my therapist. Maybe you've got to watch Coraline in 3D.
Praising 'Tampopo'
02:02:52
Speaker
That'll fix you. Yeah, it's sobriety, man. I mean, just drinking every day for eight years, man, repressing all that. It's like you just feel it's hard to win it more. Yeah.
02:03:02
Speaker
Yeah, Nick, I really I love that. I appreciate that perspective very much. And thank you for sharing. That was also the longest I think that Doug and I have shut up in God knows how long both nobody can see it that we're on video right now. But both of us were just like, like head in hand, like gazing at Nick with like really with like smiles of adoration, just beaming at him as he's as he's explaining this. That was if that was very nice. That was heartwarming for me. and That's the closest I've gotten to like crying on the podcast. I'm like a deeply sentimental person too and it's like yeah I did like hold on to that like life was so much easier back then you know and it's like yeah you never yeah you never know how easy it is and and yeah until it's until it's no longer easy.
02:03:49
Speaker
Yeah. And I value everything I've experienced with people in my life, whether I don't talk to them anymore. Yeah. I mean, that's the the healthiest, best view to have of it. Like should get something out, even, yeah, even the bad memories. Like why, why wouldn't you want to come away from something with that?
02:04:11
Speaker
Yeah. It's such a heavy thing to drudge up to, but yeah, it's, uh, cause we had a pretty loaded relationship. It was pretty crazy, but, uh, yeah. And, um, thanks for letting me go on that rant. Thank you for sharing that with us. Not a rent, not a rent at all. that would Yeah. Thank you.
02:04:28
Speaker
Yeah, I'll show you a plan. Yeah. Oh, my God. And i it's only going to get more. There's my next four. One of them is like a fucking thrill ride. And the rest are all like emotional. Like this movie moved me.
02:04:43
Speaker
I don't know if they'll reach that height, though. I didn't expect Coraline to make me emotional. I just really wanted to put it. We're going to be you reaching heights like this. I'd be like, OK, we're doing the emotional stuff behind the paywall because this stuff is too good. You got to pay for it. Yeah. ah But yeah, that was my number five. ah Do you want to go next? so Yeah.
02:05:06
Speaker
um So I saw Tom Popo for the first time this year and it like instantly became a favorite. It's directed by ah Juzo Itami. um i It's just, I don't even know where to begin. Like, so that okay, there's there's a story. A woman, her name is Tom Popo. She's working, a so ah she's struggling to ah run her ramen shop. And all of a sudden to, I think they're like,
02:05:32
Speaker
They're like delivery truck drivers kind of blow into town. And eventually they, ah you know, she undergoes, but they put her through like ramen training, basically, so she can keep her ramen shop open. But they're also little vignettes of different characters that are not necessarily tied into the story. It's about, it's one of those movies that's kind of about everything. It's about food. It's about love. It's about connection.
New Film Purchases Discussion
02:05:59
Speaker
It's, um,
02:06:01
Speaker
It's about life. It's about sex. It's i one of the best-looking movies I've ever seen. It's absolutely stunning. The colors in it are gorgeous. And um I just find it to be an incredible, beautiful, comforting, life-affirming watch without it at all being saccharine or like Yeah, there's there's not a hint of of of of any kind of that nonsense, but it's sweet and touching and funny and just beautiful. ah i I recommend it to fucking everybody. i just my i My mom had been recommending it to me since I was pretty young and I just hadn't
02:06:48
Speaker
I've quite gotten around to it and I watched it in January or February of this year and ah it's just gorgeous. It's it's such ah such a wonderful movie and it just it just must be seen. Yeah, if you want to watch it, it's on Max and Criterion. It's so funny that you brought this up. I just bought this movie yesterday. yeah Yes, I love that. yay and I bought this and I got a 4K of Dawn of the Dead and something. Oh, beautiful. Oh, I bought ah the Kurosawa movie Ran for Japanuary. Very nice. copy of that But um yeah, this movie, I love fucking food movies. Have you seen Eat, Drink, Man, Woman? No, but I've heard of it.
02:07:31
Speaker
That's in my all-time favorite movies, just because it's a food movie. Chef isn't it on the caliber of that, but chef, you know, I really
Relationship Dynamics in Films
02:07:38
Speaker
love that. But Tim Popo, I'm glad to hear that you brought that up, because now I feel like that was a good purchase. it's like Oh, it's it's it's a wonderful purchase. you'll you'll i think it's a I think it's impossible. You have to have ah nothing inside of you for you not to be able to love that movie.
02:07:54
Speaker
Yeah. it's ah How's the food action? It's like pretty good. You'll walk away wanting to cook yourself a good meal. I had to get ramen. I immediately ordered ramen when I was... i't I don't even think that I like waited until it was... I think I paused it and like ordered ramen and then I picked it up after the movie was over. like ah it's yeah it's It's a treat.
02:08:15
Speaker
I highly recommend Eat, Drink, Man, Woman. Yeah, I just put it on my watch list. It's one of my favorites. Yeah, it's I love a good food movie. I know, ah Doug, you ah you and I have talked food movies a bunch before. You and I think you've joked about Chef ordering... A cabana? A cabana. I did order one right after watching Chef.
02:08:35
Speaker
is I'm very susceptible to being influenced by, you know, food, mood like i other movies aren't going to make me, well, I was about to say, high school, we won't make me rob a bank. I don't know about that. Put a pin in that. But ah food movies will definitely make me want to like, oh, yeah I need that. Hell yeah. Tim Popo. Is there anything else you wanted to say about it?
02:08:59
Speaker
um No, just that I'm glad that you bought it and you should watch it right away and then you should tell me your thoughts. I'm going to. I never know if I i should. I like got to eat before I watch these movies or I'm going to be fucking dying. I'm the kind of person like Doug knows. I like get a meal every time we go to the movies nowadays. I'm just like like I'm here for two hours in one spot and I always yeah smoke weed before I need to eat something. Well, you just got you've got to get your snacks prepared beforehand. You're fine. You're fine. It's legal. I think it was crime. You're fine. Yeah. 63 episodes deep. It'll get buried. We're two out of 10 minutes. No one's going to listen to this. oh no No one who's going to get you in trouble is going to listen.
02:09:46
Speaker
Right. But this is when, I mean, we've already won the award for best episode ever from like the the, I think just like a few minutes ago from, and now we're just like coasting on a high. So I think the real fans are listening and anyone that that would negatively affect, they, yeah. We we somehow got a Pulitzer prize from this podcast. We already have it.
02:10:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's crazy. That's right here. You can't see me holding it up, but it's here. But it's here. All right, Doug, what you got? ah So my ah originally I had number four because I ah log stuff so inconsistently on letterbox. I think this might have been a twenty twenty three watch. So I'm going to replace it with another thing. But I just want to quickly shout out video drum and k Cronenberg. ah I.
02:10:37
Speaker
definitely filming a lot of k Cronenberg blind spots with with with you Zoe and if you know if there were you should watch all of them like I'm still gonna fill in the ones I haven't seen but if I had to be like three k Cronenbergs you gotta watch video drones definitely on that that list it's it it's like everything that is that I find incredible about him as as ah as a filmmaker. um So yeah, I'm pretty sure that was a 2023 watch. mine So my my actual number four now is Sam Pick and Paws, The Getaway. um This movie I went in expecting
02:11:14
Speaker
You know, pick him Peck and Paul movies have the extra of like this was when, you know, the turning point of Hollywood of like this grittiness, like he was definitely pushing that edge of like the kind of violence you could depict on screen. And there's like great action in this, especially Steve McQueen gets up to some stuff with a shotgun. But like this is maybe one of my favorite movies, just like about a relationship. This is like this is like if marriage story level ah stuff was happening.
02:11:45
Speaker
to a couple and then they had to rob, do a heist. Like that while, or that's happening to them in the aftermath of a heist because like- That sounds so cool. if if the If the title's not any indication, this is mostly not about the heist, it's about the getaway. And so, ah and like you do want them to get away with the money, but like I'm almost more but compelled by like, are they gonna figure this out relationship-wide? Like I'm like, this is, This is so messy that I'm like, fuck, I don't know. like yeah if Even if they get out with the money, are they theyre they're just done, aren't they? Or I don't know. I hope these crazy kids figure it out. And there is a weird, ah you can just enjoy it the movie on that level, but then then learning of like, oh yeah, that's Steve McQueen's actual wife ah adds an interesting layer. Because I don't know much about like what what their marriage was like. But like I'm like, hey huh.
02:12:42
Speaker
and there one and it's Two movies with actual husbands and wives ties back to Eyes Wide Shut. Another one that was going to be on my ah honorable mentions, King of Comedy, De Niro's wife at the time is in that place to love interest in in King of Comedy. So yeah, we read there's there's connection points here in all of them.
Discussion of 'Snow Angels'
02:13:04
Speaker
It's it's really good. like Again, like the the relationship part is the thing that keeps me going through it. And there's like kind of contrast that you're cutting. You're kind of seeing like other versions of like
02:13:18
Speaker
I'm not not that this the McQueen and his wife dynamic isn't doesn't have toxic stuff but then you're seeing like an even more toxic version of it with these other characters and you're like oh so this is like what they could be like if if this is like the dark this is like the bizarro dark version of of what it could be like yeah I would rank this over like movies like I mean not that this is not that Bonnie and Clyde isn't a classic but like ah like heist movies are actually like about like this like tangled relationship that like I like i but rather I would put on the getaway again first, because like i I get new things out of it every time. And it's yeah, it's it's messy, it's complicated, but that's human relationships, baby. That's how- Such is life. That's how they be. Hell yeah. I just added it to my watch list now. That one's not streaming anywhere, but you can purchase it or rent it, um ah like your voodoos, your Apple TVs. I'm going to definitely check that one out. That one sounds different.
02:14:18
Speaker
It's worth owning for me. That's like top tier heist movies. Like, yeah, that sounds like my fucking jam right there. I was going to add it to my watch list, but it was already on my watch list.
02:14:32
Speaker
That's how it was for some of these, like your ah first movie. So um that was already in my watch list, actually. Yeah. So it is like for a lot of things I'm like, I don't even remember ever hearing about this thing. But there it is.
02:14:48
Speaker
Um, is it all for your number four, Duck? Yep, yeah. Watch the go-away. Hell yeah. Alright, my number four is Snow Angels, directed by David Gordon Green. ah Oh, I've- I've never heard of it. movie Yeah, I didn't hear about it until pretty recently. I was listening to, uh, one of my favorite podcasts, We'll See You in Hell, and, uh, they were just talking about, um,
02:15:16
Speaker
David Gordon Green in general and they went through his whole filmography and we're talking about how it's kind of like In their opinion like downhill at a certain point like he started off on a pretty strong note And so snow angels, I think is the second movie it came on in 2007 my boy Sam Rockwell's in it What yeah Yeah, this movie like hit me on like a pretty like deep emotional level. I wasn't even like sad or anything when I put it on. It was just something where I'm like, I heard about it. I'm so interested because it's David Gordon Green. We had just watched Halloween ends. And I was like, I want to like see what this guy used to do. Like, was he really cooking? Like, I want to figure out what the fuck is going on with him. And it hits you on the same emotional level as i is Halloween ends. Yeah. Yeah.
02:16:08
Speaker
Well, I mean, Sam Rockwell, at a certain point, does have a very homoerotic fight with Michael Myers.
David Gordon Green's Filmography
02:16:14
Speaker
And I came out of nowhere, but... That's like, I didn't even know Michael Myers was in the movie. I didn't know it was a Halloween movie. Much like Halloween ends. I forgot Michael Myers was in it. Does Sam Rockwell do any dancing? I don't remember if he does. I feel like he just does it, even if you don't dance completely. Sam Rockwell loves to dance.
02:16:37
Speaker
but If it's not in the script, he'll just like start tapping around, yeah. Sam Rockwell is playing a divorce. and He's a guy who's divorced from his wife, um really having a hard time getting it together, living with his parents. He like recently had just committed suicide, and now he's- Trying to, you mean? Yeah, no he's successful. Then he came back.
02:17:03
Speaker
Yeah, I mean that does that sounds like an interesting mood like that if that was the starting point I was like, oh, okay I haven't heard of that one before but so he tried to commit suicide and failed and now he's an evangelical Christian and oh boy it's like his wife is just kind of like get away from me and I it is one of those moments again like an eyes wide shot I don't think I've ever behaved by Sam Rockwell but I did have like a drinking problem and ah he is like a very good alcoholic Sam Rockwell he's just so he's great in this movie I fucking loved it but he um
02:17:45
Speaker
it's like he kind of made me reflect on myself in that way like I'm glad I never hit the bottoms that this show is hitting as an alcoholic like it was that's why it like hit me on such a deep level but not just that um Michael and Garan and Joe Naro is that how you pronounce it in Garano me Anguirano and, uh... I can't- Oh, Olivia... Thirdly and Thirdly. Yeah, they, uh... I don't hear you talking about it. Yeah.
02:18:19
Speaker
They have a little side story that is so sweet. It just makes me want to puke. I'm just like so touched by them. It's just this innocent high school love juxtaposed to this like dark, failed marriage. And you're getting them like their stories aren't are cutting. They're like involved involved in each other's lives. but And it's like this movie was like so dark on one end, I was waiting for the sweet one to just go wrong. And I mean, this is like mild sport, but it doesn't really do that. It kind of keeps them in their separate vibes. Yeah. And I really loved the sweetness in it too. i There's something about like a high school romance between like
02:19:10
Speaker
They're just shy and like awkward and weird and they play it really well. and like She's into photography and he doesn't know how to compliment her photos like a normal person. and it's like so like I just really enjoyed this movie. It surprised me like that David Gordon Green made the Exorcist believer 15 years later. it's Two great movies. don' do equally Two equally great movies.
02:19:40
Speaker
Yeah. um I feel like since Olivia Thrilby was mentioned, I just have to say go watch Dread. i Literally go watch Dread. I could like sense you vibrating from like states away and like but haven't talked about Dread in like 14 hours. I'm like fucking clawing at my skin. The bugs are underneath.
02:20:03
Speaker
I didn't know she was in that. I just read that she was in Oppenheimer when I clicked her name and I was like, who was she in Oppenheimer? There was a female scientist at Los Al. I guess that was her. I forgot that that was her.
02:20:19
Speaker
Oh yeah, I didn't remember that. It's because she's a woman, but... I was like, this is something they made up for the movie. This is like a sci-fi. Yeah, what kind of fiction is this? I thought no one was telling us the truth. A lady getting brought up just like instantly spiked my body temperature. I had to open a window just now.
Privacy Concerns with Digital Devices
02:20:40
Speaker
nice I ah I bought dread recently I've been I hadn't I fell asleep to it at Doug's house like years ago So I'm like I gotta give it a fair myself um But she yeah she's fantastic ah in this movie though, but I'm I thought there was something else again tried to Say but um Yeah, this, uh, Oh, I had to buy this on DVD. This is like, it's available on streaming, but this like does not exist physically at all. So, uh, yeah, I'm hoping, um, I don't think this will get any kind of Blu-ray or criterion release. This unfortunately is a movie that I feel like if it doesn't stand streaming, it'll, it'll probably disappear forever. So.
02:21:24
Speaker
Yeah, there's probably not a demand, unfortunately, for this era of of Gordon Green stuff. It's not like when he was making interesting stuff. But that's not what what what is being preserved. Yeah, I don't think people are asking for more green. I think they're like, go away. you know I don't know. I mean, he got fired off of two movies. He should make snow angels too. Yeah. Two snow two angels.
02:21:54
Speaker
Yeah. Just go back to what he does you best, you know. Yeah, but, uh, hell yeah, that's my number four. I hope, uh, it gets on some people's rados because I didn't know about it at all until pretty recently. Do you remember how you heard about it?
02:22:07
Speaker
ah ah We'll see you in Hal podcast. Okay, that's why you mentioned it. I'm sorry. I usually listen when you talk. I'm very sorry. No, I do the same thing. ah So many words get said at a time in these conversations. You kind of lose track of what's been covered. And then we have conversations off mic too. And I'm like, did we say this for the listener or not? Or did we say this for ourselves? I don't remember anymore. Are we even recording? There were a couple times I forgot we were recording and I thought we were just having a normal conversation. It's where the weed thing slipped. But, well. No, we are just having conversations. Don't, I mean, yeah, there's microphones here, but being listened to all the time anyway, man. Yeah, what are they doing recording us anyway? Oh my God.
02:22:58
Speaker
I mean, maybe they are. Check out the recent Apple class action suit. Siri sells what we're listening to the companies. That's why I don't have it on my phone. I don't use it. It's rather it's on the phone. I just don't use it. Yeah. I never set up Siri. yeah me and talk I ain't talking to her.
02:23:17
Speaker
I talked to her. I need her to skip songs while I'm in the shower. I was yelling at my phone the next time. Skip! Yeah, I have to do it when people aren't singing. It won't pick me up if it's at a apart point where people are singing. no So I have to scream like a maniac very quickly. I just have to suffer if a song I don't want to hear comes on, on like shuffle while I'm in the shower. I'm just like, I guess I just have to.
02:23:46
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully I slip and fall. Yeah, this would be a great time for me to slip and fall and break my back in the shower. Guess I'm not getting out of this shower. This is my last shower. Best case, I snap my neck and die. Worst case, I end up paralyzed and have to lay there and endure. Yeah. Yeah, you accidentally knocked the iPod over, puts it on infinity. It just keeps going. Fuck.
02:24:13
Speaker
Oh, that's torture. I'm depressed now. Fuck, just that thought. That's okay. do don't don't Don't think about it too hard. We're gonna change the subject now. I'm gonna think about it for a week now.
02:24:25
Speaker
but and should We should put that as a scene, so I don't know. The scariest thing of all. It's upsetting. I don't like when people get hurt anyway. anyway um i i and night movie yeah yeah They do call you Max Payne. I should have said Doug Payne, brother of Max Payne. Fuck. He should have had a brother in the game. He should have been named Doug. yeah Douglas Payne.
02:24:57
Speaker
Sounds kind of cool. You just cut to like a regular guy's like, yeah, my brother's some cop. who were Killing three. That's crazy. look Man, I'm not my brother. All right.
02:25:10
Speaker
I don't know. You want to revenge his family got killed here. I'm just, I'm just doing pain.
High Praise for 'Dune Part 2'
02:25:21
Speaker
Is that you wanna do your number three? Yes, I do. um Okay, so next up for me- Who's left the sirens? Who's about to be arrested? Oh no, you can leave it. ah I think the sirens add a personality to the recording. okay i was like let me just mute real quick um yeah they're no they're nick they're actually coming they're on their way it's gonna take a while but they heard you talk about smoking weed so i actually called them they're on their way oh yeah they're coming from your state over the we're driving really fast you're driving from a state where it's legal to another state it's legal it's legal that's that's how far up this goes oh my god
02:26:04
Speaker
oh way' a eyes wide shot it's it's almost just like eyes widerud In front of a sex cult before I know it if you're lucky and shit be In my baby girl sweater, they're gonna be like this guy ain't shit
02:26:20
Speaker
Or they're gonna think you're cool because of the name. I thought that you were cool because of that sweater. Now I know that that's not the truth, but I thought you were cool because of the sweater. yeah It tricked you for long enough. It tricked me for long enough. Yeah. Well, Nick and I are kind of matching right now in the sense that we're both wearing movie-related sweaters. um i'm actually My sweater actually relates to the next movie that I'm gonna talk about. um I fucking love Dune Part 2.
02:26:46
Speaker
Um, I, am great movie. Um, I had the distinct pleasure of seeing it in theaters with Doug. It was not the day that it came out or the day after. I think it was the day it came out. It was the, the actual release day. I know everything now, like the day before is kind of the actual read, like the night before. So we saw it the day. Yeah, we saw it the day that it came out. Um, almost saw Argyle, like the first five minutes of Argyle. So like yeah the trailers and the lights dim.
02:27:14
Speaker
and then a movie starts. I think the Apple logo came up first and I was just, i' it didn't put two and two together. And then like these opening credits to start warner brother and I'm like, maybe they're playing one last trailer and it like continues and continues. And like we're seeing that this is obviously not Dune. And I think maybe like people are getting, but you can tell that people around us are starting to get progressively more and more unsettled. You're murmuring in the seats.
02:27:43
Speaker
like You hear whatever pop song and then you see, like, Henry Cavill with that awful hair and Dua Lipa, like, dancing and everyone is like... You're like, wait it out. Wait it out. Villanose is an auteur. I was like, this is really interesting because Paul was not involved in anything like this in part one. so yeah You're like, wait, they were on Arrakis? Yeah, wait a minute. That's where we left them? This must be a flashback. Yeah. He is a flashback. Oh, media res. It's opening in media res. Yeah, exactly. That's going to happen later. Yeah, we're going to flashback to where we left off. And then we're going to find out how they got to Henry Cavill in Julepa Dancing. I see what he's doing. Yeah.
02:28:35
Speaker
It's he's adapting the book. Yes. ah So that was yeah, people are getting progressively more and more upset. We're seeing people kind of like file out of the stands. I mean, I think maybe within like five or six minutes, the issue got addressed. But it's just like really funny. and Um,
02:28:51
Speaker
There would have been a riot if they hadn't been killed. No, blood would have been spilled. Yeah, this was opening night. Opening day. There was going to be bloodshed. People were getting upset. Yeah, this was like Star Wars. People haven't had Star Wars in five years. They were like, we need our big nerdy sci-fi now. Yeah, right now. And they're like, and our last Star Wars sucked, too. Yeah. And for the fuck up to be Argyle, it's especially inexcusable.
02:29:19
Speaker
It felt like a troll. It felt like an intentional prank was being I'm like, it felt like Twitter was happening in real life. is this is it Yeah, this isn't real. life and It was the real La La Land moonlight situation you guys experienced. It was just like that. Yeah, exactly like that. um I fucking love Dune. This was the other movie that I got banned from talking about for the rest of the year because I talked about it too much.
02:29:47
Speaker
um I've already seen, I'm like, I don't even wanna, I'm honestly like, I'm like pre-ashamed to look at my letterbox to see how many times I've logged this movie that I've, long but how many times I've seen this movie this year. um Let's see, just just for, I've logged it seven times this year. And that's three hours long? No, it's not three hours long, is it?
02:30:12
Speaker
Closer to three than two. Yeah, it is closer to three. I'm like, no, it flies by. 21 hours. Almost 21 hours. I've spent like an entire day this year just watching Dune part two. Yeah, like over half a day of Dune under your belt, basically, right? Almost an entire, I mean, it's almost three hours. So yeah, like almost an entire day of just watching Dune.
02:30:33
Speaker
Um, I just go to the part where Austin Butler kisses stone scars. You rewind it. and Then you fast forward it. Then you rewind it i forward it for three hours. That's my doing watch June. I watched to do it for three hours.
02:30:50
Speaker
i I love some good uncle fucking what can I say huh you know what what can you say besides that um I just fucking love this movie I there's not a single thing in the world that I would change about it uh it fucking rips Dave Batista is incredible um Everyone's incredible. Everybody's incredible. It looks so fucking good. as ah fucking Fucking Rebecca Ferguson is incredible. Javier Bardem is incredible. like ah Just wow. like it's and i have i mean I've definitely like screwed my own attention span by my adherence to by my enthusiasm for the tight 90 that I've really like nurtured slash worsened over the last year, but this
02:31:32
Speaker
I'm good. I can sit through it. No, like most times if I see movies two hours, I'm like, Oh, my God, like, I'm not i'm gonna find a 90 minute movie. I can't do this. This and right I'm game.
Denis Villeneuve's Filmmaking Artistry
02:31:42
Speaker
That shit on Gady Prime, the infrared sequence makes me absolutely insane. Like, I want to, like, rip my shirt off and crush a beer can on my head. Like, it just it's so fucking good. Austin Butler is so good. Like, the artistic choice to, like, drool while you're fighting. Amazing. It was truly for the sickos.
02:32:01
Speaker
um Christopher Walken Christopher Walken saying Muad'Dib like what where else are we gonna get that? um This Muad'Dib this Muad'Dib I just I just fucking love this movie and ah I think it deserves every single bit of hype that it got i'm a I will fucking go to bat for this movie any day every day ah The villainous sci-fi is so immersive, ah because I love Dude Part 2, but like I also have that same feeling with Blade Runner 2049. I'm like, that's a three-hour movie, basically. yeah And I'm like, it's not that the movie breezes by, but I'm like, I could spend five hours here, you know? Like, i yeah this was like you took you transported me to a world, and I just... And I will say about 2049, as much as I fucking love the Dune movies and I am insane about them, I feel like 2049 is the best use of Villeneuve's artistic aesthetic sensibilities. It makes the most sense and you get the most like the most to work with. I feel like I'm not explaining what i'm trying what I mean very well. but like No, I get what you're saying. like it's so It's so perfect for Blade Runner. but
02:33:12
Speaker
I just got that Gosling performance. Like I especially on the most most recent rewind, like I was feeling everything he was feeling. Yeah. I was like, God, why you and I watched it together. That was my first time. I watched it for the first time this year also. um Wow. Sicario. Also, I watched Sicario so many times this year and that's that's a perfect movie. I could watch that. Josh Brolin. We're back. um Wow. I'm big. I'm big. I'm big on Villeneuve in this household.
02:33:41
Speaker
Yeah, I love Villanova. I've been on board with him since I saw Prisoners. I still need to see Prisoners. I have not seen it. Oh, shit. That Prisoners. That's good. His run of Incendies or Onsendies, however you pronounce it. um How about French Talk? Yeah. That Prisoners, an enemy.
02:34:03
Speaker
It's just it's like a real special run of movies that like I it's again how I was talking about like being transported to like a specific like point in time if I watch those three villain of movies I'm like brought back to like that point in time when I like discovered him and it's just Incendies is such a good movie. It's like storytelling wise, he's operating on a level. I don't think he's really like worked at until like a rival maybe. um so It's just, yeah, Rival's one of my favorites, but Incendies is just, it's
02:34:46
Speaker
One of those when, by the end of it, you're like, I've been through something. And it's- And you can't believe that this is based on where you started. I'm like, I did not see him, but this is where we were going. I have to see all three of those that you mentioned. It's a great one. I have not seen that run
Emotional Impact of 'Incendies'
02:35:05
Speaker
of his. I need to get educated. Yeah, and Cindy's is a really special movie. And then he had one before that called Polytechnic. That's pretty powerful. Yes, it's been on my list forever.
02:35:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm, and he's got two more before that too that I haven't seen that one of them just became accessible in America and the other um I Don't know when we'll be able to see it But the success of Dune the biggest thing I can appreciate about that is we're getting these like harder to get villain of movies now because of it like people are working harder to bring them to It's pretty sweet Yeah, but in Cindy's anyone listening fucking check that out, too. That movie rules so hard. I concur. OK, so I guess that's
Introduction to 'The Insider'
02:35:56
Speaker
me. Are you or do you know anything else about OK? My number three, these next two, I i mean, we're we're definitely in all time or territory, and I feel like
02:36:09
Speaker
I don't have much to say, not for like lack of love of them, then but I'm like, i would I don't know what I could say the due honor to it that other smarter people haven't already said. ah ah Three is the insider. It's like. Hell yeah. Yeah. When did you watch this? ah Like February or something. It was like before around my birthday. We have talked about it a couple of times then. I always forget if you had seen this. guy It's it's incredible. Man is another filmmaker that's impossible for me to rank because I'm like, oh, so like most of your filmography are the best films ever made. Yeah, cool. But but.
02:36:47
Speaker
But the insider is like all the best qualities in a man movie, but it's about like a whistleblower in the tobacco industry. You know, it's like a true story about journalism and stuff. And to me, I actually fucking love and like journalism investigative journalism movies. So like that's that's catnip for me and then making it a ah through the the man lens. And it's kind of in a way like his most like balls out style like he's like not playing it safe and doing a dry like drama about the like newspapers and and and like this this this legal case like he's he's getting
02:37:31
Speaker
Like, you see Russell Crowe's, the physical space of of his hotel room shifts to reflect his mental headspace in a way that, like like, I don't think he's done this in any of his other movies. This is fucking wild. And the the soundtrack is is incredible. It's just, of course, Pacino and Crowe. I mean, man, another excellent purveyor, Boyfriend Cinema. They're definitely boyfriends. yeah ah ah their Their little meet-cue as they're faxing kind of like back and forth before they actually meet up is is great. um Bruce McGill. but
02:38:08
Speaker
Bruce McGill could swing in for the fences. Like if I was to watch watching this or other movies where like there's like some kind of legal battle happening, I would be like, man, Southern lawyers are the most powerful force on earth. Like I would never. If you show up in a courtroom and you're not on the lawyer, that sounds like foghorn. Leghorn is not on your side. You're fine. You should just like you should just like go to the judge and be like, I surrender. No contest.
02:38:43
Speaker
No, but everyone's everyone's in incredible. Christopher Plummer's also good. I mean, I didn't grow up watching Mike Wallace. I don't think that he's even trying to do like a one for one and impression of a, you know, a guy who was a very famous like, ah you know, TV newscaster. But like it's a good argument for like that actually doesn't matter that he doesn't look like a hundred percent like Mike. what Because he's like embodying I mean, I'm saying like I know the guy, but the but but I believe I'm never questioning that these guys are these guys. And um it's just in it. It's kind of interesting that it leaves on this. I mean, I don't know if it's a movie you could even spoil. It's a true story also.
Appreciation for Journalism Films
02:39:30
Speaker
But like it leaves on this note of like this is
02:39:34
Speaker
ah a shifting point in media and news and I like ah there's a lot of my favorite movies like deal with that of like this is like We're getting away from actual like journalism and more towards like the sensationalism. Like you see the stories that they're they're they're going to be fought like this is not going to by the time they're doing all this fighting to like get this story out. It's ultimately not going to get as much play as like I think you see like the Unabomber, you know, like it's like like that's.
02:40:05
Speaker
obviously better TV. So oh that's going to get way more play and become important. ah But yeah, i I don't know. This movie is incredible. Everyone should watch it.
02:40:18
Speaker
Yeah. The Insider's not really streaming anywhere, but you can ah purchase it ah or rent it on VOD. And then Dune Part 2 is streaming on Macs as well. Is there the Insider Criterion yet? or is it I don't think so. Michael Mann doesn't really have anything on Criterion. John Criterion. I'm sorry, Neil. Except for Thief. Thief is on there. Yeah, I was going to say, I know Thief is on there. Thief also should be, if anybody listening hasn't watched Thief yet,
02:40:48
Speaker
You gotta do it. Speak to James Cahn. Go watch Thief and then listen to me and Zoe's. That's right. I wasn't even thinking about that. So you gotta watch Thief right now. No, but you just you just gotta watch it.
02:41:03
Speaker
I've been meaning to rewatch the insider. This movie, it's just so cool. I fucking love like... It makes journalism look cool. I mean, I want to investigate and report shit. Hell yeah. I didn't see that this year, but like I had all the president's men in my honorable mentions. Fuck. Oh, Spotlight is another one I saw this year. Oh, so good.
02:41:32
Speaker
Yeah, journalism movies just rule, and through fun tier the insider might be my favorite of the three that I mentioned. Michael Mann just doesn't like no other, and Russell Crowe. So good. eating but I mean, he's never bad, but this is you could easily make the argument, and I probably maybe would, of my favorite Crowe.
02:41:53
Speaker
And in it's it's incredible that I also yeah I talk about not questioning that these are these guys because like he was fairly young you know like this is um not you know where he is now in his career and he's playing a guy that's almost like two decades older than him but I did not I did not question it you know like Russell Crowe was meant to be an older overweight guy like he was yeah he was young and sexy for ah quite a while but i think he was actually kind of meant to be where he's at now what he looks like in land of bad he was destined it's what he wants to do yeah and arguably it's he's sexier as in his current you would argue that
02:42:36
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hottest Russell Crowe maybe is this is landa ba maybe this is um not on my list because we talked about it in a different episode but uh quick in the dead oh my god he's so good in the quick in the dead Yeah. i Also, everyone is beautiful in that movie. That's true. yeah Movies used to have Sharon Stone in them. I know Sharon Stone's so hot. Her and Russell c Crowe are just both hotties. Russell Crowe is also hot as fuck and insane and virtuosity.
02:43:08
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Oh, that that's that's a great. Yeah, that that that's a good honorable mention. Check out Virtuosity to see Denzel and Denzel looks so fucking good in that movie. Oh my God. Yeah. But but back quick and dead really quick. ah It's real. All the performances in there are great. It's kind of wild that like there's this ah fetus that ah This bear is like a baby boy gives a good performance. I think his name is Leonardo DiCaprio. He's like not even like fully formed features, but he's like acting. He's acting in his butt. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, yeah. It bothers me that he has sex with Sharon Stone in that movie. I'm like, you don't deserve that woman. You fuck. I don't know. No, but you're you're ah you're you should you're right and you should say it.
02:43:59
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Yeah, I don't know, but, um, hell yeah. Uh, do you have anything else to say? I forgot what, um... Oh, that was the insider, yeah. Like, where are we? I was like, Russell Crowe? Yeah, once you say Russell Crowe, I start going places. It's just leaking out of his ears. He's gone. Yeah. wo Shout out to Steven Tobolowsky. Uh, he's also in that one. Love when he pops up.
02:44:24
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but yeah Everyone who even though like one scene from everyone comes to play like it's it's a perfect on Gina Gershon is like in two scenes. but Yeah, I know. Yeah Fuck we got too excited. I think I Mean shocker likely thing to happen to any slash all of us Yeah. Oh, I didn't know if it happened to you. get It like froze on my end completely. like so it didn't It didn't freeze in that way. i I thought that was just time freezing for because I you know got lost you know thinking about Russell Crowe. It's like the confluence of all these things that excite me. It was like, oh, well, I better calm down. Like my sister might crash. Yeah. Pour some ice water on me.
02:45:13
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My number three is another one. I don't think I'll spend a whole lot of time talking about it. I'll just fucking get excited real quick. And I think Doug will hop on ah with me, definitely, is a Sorcerer, directed by William Friedkin. Hell yeah. You've seen it too, Zoe. Doug and I watched it last year. Or, I mean, year before, year before last. twenty twenty I still think it's 20, in my brain, it's still 2024. So, I mean, 2023.
02:45:40
Speaker
25 is not a real year. I'm going to start that hashtag. 25 is not real. yeah It seems fake. It just doesn't even seem like a real number. It doesn't. It sounds wrong. I think you made it up when you said it on our first, you know, top 10 episode of the year that we just did.
Admiration for 'Sorcerer'
02:46:00
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I don't think it's real.
02:46:03
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Yeah, but I agree. I'm glad we're all on the same page. um Tangerine Dream, movies used to have like scores that were otherworldly and ah and visuals that were otherworldly.
02:46:18
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there's like explosions in this that are like, I mean, it I sound like like a fucking caveman, be like, kids, explosion look good on the camera. No, that's me though.
02:46:29
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It does look good though, but what this movie, I'm always gonna, speaking of like explosions, anytime something is just in my way, I'm always gonna think to myself, like I'm in a real sorcerer situation right now.
02:46:46
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Like, I was watching a movie where something was just in a character's way. I think it was a tree. And I was like, this is a real sorcerer predicament that they're in. A whole wide dynamite. If I have to walk to the other side of a room and there's like a dog toy on the ground, I'm like, this is just like sorcerer. Yeah. You're Doug. In that moment, you're Doug sorcerer. Mm hmm.
02:47:09
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we should reference sorcerer more i think you're right i think just yo i yeah i thought yeah you meant us personally but society also should pick up the slack and it yeah because freaking always talked about is like french connection the exorcist and and i'm not like saying those aren't like excellent films but like sorcerer it should why are we also saying sorcerer yeah you know sorcerer is a movie i don't usually get too animated or like move around a lot with a movie unless i really don't like it and i'm getting antsy but sorcerer was when i was sitting in this spot and i was like
02:47:50
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on the edge of my seat like bouncing up and yeah down it's such like a it's a full my physiological experience i was like my stomach was completely a knot i was sweating ah like it's so i like can't think of many movies that I've watched, that you like you feel it in every single cell of your body. It's so gripping. you just start involuntarily moving. You're like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. I know this is an audio medium. The listeners can't see how it was rocking. If they've seen Sorcerer, they know about it.
02:48:30
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Yeah, and pretty much locked in from the because they don't get to the mission into like it almost if it seems like an hour you spend the light it's that it's not rushing to get to that but then i I'm you're like Israel and then France or something yeah because like they're from all over the world all these guys and ah You know, I feel like we've talked about how older movies ah used to have be more comfortable with having like complex, maybe less likable. I don't even think like, ah in terms of like, especially in terms of movie morality, like there's definitely worse guys in and in the world, but they're not, you know, they've they've done some stuff.
02:49:10
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Uh, and, but like, I'm, I'm like in it on their journey and I want them to get through this. Like, yeah i'm I'm not, there's, there's not any of the guys. I mean, you know, spoilers that Nazi doesn't go with them and I'm glad that he's taken care of. So like, but, but like, yeah, once he's taken out of the picture, I'm like, yeah, all these guys, I want to see them yeah get through this. Uh, boy Shider. Wow. Wow. Yes.
02:49:37
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He's also in ah the French connection. He's so great. and I want to watch everything he's been in. I need to see that this year. My dad, I think, will will will probably disown me if I don't watch it this year. He's he's had it. He's like, you got to do it. You want to watch the movie season. like Listen to this filmography. Jaws, the French connection, all that jazz. ah What's this called? Machinima. I haven't heard of that.
02:50:03
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Sorcerer, Clute, Marathon Man, Punisher, Naked Lunch, Jars II. Marathon Man. Shout out Marathon Man. That's like a ah big honorable mention. He plays Dustin Hoffman's brother in that. And he's like a spy. Like, I don't want to get too much in like what the it's like a good paranoid thriller. Same composer did the score for Clue. It like kind of feels otherworldly at times. like like he's he's incredible and everything really quick i didn't do like a full list of honorable mentions but this would be on it all that jazz i saw for the first time this year oh my fucking i need to see that that's a that's a movie and like i it's it's it's mesmerizing he's incredible that the entire thing is it's such a
02:50:49
Speaker
spectacle. It's so like, it's hallucinatory and, and sad and happy and funny. And it's it's just everything in the sets and costumes are insane. He's it's wow.
Praise for 'All That Jazz'
02:51:04
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It's just one of like, it's just like, by the numbers, what probably one of the best movies not probably, it is one of the best movies that's ever been made. Like, that's it.
02:51:15
Speaker
I have to check that out. i almost I do want to encourage you guys, listeners, and both of you guys, if you get the chance, just to look at this dude's filmography though. like he's His movies, it's a minimum of three stars and up all of them. I'm just like, I kind of want to just go through. I'm like, is he like the Tom Cruise of his like time? He just only picks good projects. Bangers only.
02:51:44
Speaker
Yeah, so I think I got to do a deep dive into his filmography this year pretty much it something you pretty much can't go wrong Yeah we saying duck? No, so let's do a separate podcast where we just watch all his movies a Schneider talk. Yeah, people think it's a Schneider I i wasn't gonna welcome leave you but Yeah, what's potentially butcher the pronunciation so people think we're talking about us night like one of the Snyder, you know, like, is it that excited? Like, I don't know. Maybe it's his brother Roy Snyder. Yeah, they have different last names for some reason. Sometimes.
02:52:26
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Yeah. But yeah, that's my number three, the movie. It's one of the best movies that nobody in my life that's not a movie fan has seen. But like, if you're listening this and you haven't seen Sorcerer prioritized seeing it, it's like a treasure of cinema. Even though I know it's a remake, I haven't seen Wages of Fear, so that might be a weird statement to say. But I think you can say it.
02:52:51
Speaker
I didn't even say that. The French just got so offended, like all our French listeners were like, oh. The giant French listener base that you had acquired. Well, then Doug really sealed the deal with that horrible French accent. There's a French listener we have named Amelia, so maybe she... Apologize to her right now. Well, Doug said the offensive thing. I was talking to Doug. Oh. I love French fries. I love bacon. You're making it worse.
02:53:21
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i love freedom fries
02:53:27
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my god
02:53:31
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I like mimes and riding bicycles. Statue of Yeah, they gave us that. Um, way apart, Bardew, whatever her name is. Say do. Oh my God. you get her name right I like Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol.
02:53:53
Speaker
That's a French film. That's a French film. She's in it. And that's not even the one where they go to. that Oh my god. If it has layers to do, it's ah it's a French film. Automatically. yeah So do so by by that logic, Dude in Part 2 is a French film.
02:54:13
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Oh, i absolutely. and Yes, exactly. the french It's all, it's it's all of contact to France. Blue is the warmest color to me. It's all, that's all that it is. Yeah. Oh my God.
02:54:29
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All right, you guys wanna, Zoe, you wanna be remembered too? Let's see, was I guess it was December. Yeah, this past month I watched a little movie called Body Heat for the first time ah with William. Wow.
02:54:45
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um
02:54:48
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Wow. ah William Hurt, Kathleen Turner, movies used to be horny. Holy fucking shit. One of the best movies that's ever, this is a perfect movie. 100% perfect movie, perfect script, perfectly acted. um To give a very brief like plot overview, William Hurt is a small time, like a small town lawyer in Florida. It's in the middle of a heat wave. He meets Kathleen Turner just by chance on a hot summer night and
02:55:20
Speaker
I'm fanning myself right now. I know. um This movie is just hot, hot, hot. like The way that the heat is captured on screen is just like everything is like kind of fuzzy and blown out. You get an awesome Ted Danson cameo. He's amazing in this. um He's just a little little freak, a little freakazoid.
02:55:41
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um Great Richard Crenna Cameo. He is a scary man. Scary, scary man. um kaly i mean what is that Kathleen Turner. That's Jessica Rabbit, baby. like She's just so sexy. ah Their chemistry together is fucking phenomenal and ah you just used to be able to show two grown adults having adult sex in a movie and we're just like really not remember erotic thrillers right we used to be a real country um
02:56:14
Speaker
We were talking, ah Doug, you were talking about like themes that you had kind of like observed in your like top watches, top first watches for this year. And the themes that I pulled from mine are either like, we're fighting or we're fucking, or both. There are some that cover both. um i love I love an erotic fuller, that's like top of my list. And this is like a quintessential like,
02:56:42
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it's it's it's ah It's quintessential viewing for that genre.
'Body Heat' as an Erotic Thriller
02:56:45
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ah There's a reason why it's so like well thought of. It's a great fucking movie and it's just, it's so sexy. We used to we used to be able to make a sexy movie for adults to watch.
02:56:58
Speaker
Question. is there a You were talking about like this sub-genre of like we're either fighting or we're fucking. Now, is there a movie where that's literalized where they're either fist fighting, it's an action movie, like or they're fucking, or is it like all verbal arguments? Is there any where it's like they will go do and do an actual like John Wick style like fight hand-to-hand combat?
02:57:28
Speaker
um I think that... And then they'll go into passionate lovemaking moments later. Not between the same two characters, but that definitely happens in Dune. there is There is fighting and there is fucking. Not between the same two characters, but what else? What else hits both? Right. Otherwise, it's it's verbal. um Challengers was also way up on that list for me. Everybody's fighting. Everybody's horny. Everybody's fighting. Eventually, there's fucking...
02:57:55
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um It's almost like relationships in a tennis match. And I just want to see some good fucking tennis.
02:58:05
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ah Yeah, Body Heat's great. That's incredible. Lawrence Caston, I know you listen to the podcast. why Why did you waste time with all that Star Wars garbage? You could have been like, who cares about Han Solo? Make more erotic thrillers. Literally. I wrote. I wrote.
02:58:23
Speaker
I wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark. Well, was Indy fucking in it? like like i mean How are you going to put Harrison Ford in a movie and he's not fucking everything that moves? I know he fucked. Just show it. We all know that he fucked. He was fucking on the set of Star Wars. He was fucking Carrie Fisher on the set of Star Wars. You mean to tell me that as a professor, he wasn't fucking any of his students who were like salivating over him all day long? Please get serious.
02:58:50
Speaker
I think Spielberg did want to have a scene where someone walks in with a student. I don't know why they cut that. Before he cut the kiss out of Twisters. It was before he became anti-love. It's because his daughter got into porn, so now he has to launch a war on sexuality.
02:59:16
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can can yeah I make god god kissing in twisters he was like porn get it out of here so he definitely definitely can't, watch body heat he doesn't even make love to his wife anymore allegedly oh is this real chat this no okay yes squiberg writing a spill like I You could say any kind of stuff like that about Spielberg, and I would, but especially after Fableman's and his mommy stuff is laid bare, that ah you could say anything. And I'd be like, yeah, it makes sense. Look, buddy, we all got mommy stuff. Doesn't mean you have to stop fucking. Grow up. Yeah. He's like, why do these people kissing look like me and my mom? That's weird. It's like, that's a that's a that's a it's a user error. That's on you, pal.
03:00:12
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Man.
03:00:15
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Oh, that's all that's all I got to say about body heat. You just got to go watch it right now. Right now and the recording that just end it. We got to go. Got to watch it right now. It's not streaming anywhere, but it's available for rent. Yeah, that's that's how I watch. I rented on Amazon to watch it. Oh, yeah. Worth it. Worth the more. Yeah. And then some.
03:00:40
Speaker
OK, well, we're getting to the now that we've hit our three. Hell yeah. the Now we get to the real good stuff. i mean This isn't our longest episode yet either. Really? you know Wicked is our longest. That's a long fucking movie. Yeah, yeah we should yeah we cover every minute. We go minute by minute. Oh my God. yeah this song and This episode is actually lacking songs and musical numbers.
03:01:10
Speaker
I'll see what I can do in the time it takes it to get back to me. Yeah. Do you know, like, defying gravity or something? Like, you want to give us a bar or two of that? I certainly do not. I tried. I tried to make it a musical. ah Yeah. I appreciate you trying, though. I mean, my first movie was, i you like, we've talked about musicals and fan paradise, best musical. But anyway. I didn't know the songs, though.
03:01:37
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Yeah. upposter read When my baby gets up next to me. yeah ah doug <unk> it Anyway, I'm delaying because the just the pain of bringing up this, this movie hurts my heart.
Discussion of 'In the Mood for Love'
03:01:53
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And the number two is in the mood for love. Wonka, right? I mean, woof, woof, woof, oh boy.
03:02:02
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I don't even, again, like I said, I'm not smart enough to talk about how impactful this movie is and that it's just on another level. I mean, like I already set up the yearning theme and this is the ultimate text. This is like the book on yearning. This is the sacred text.
03:02:25
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Is the, yeah, this is, you know, there's rapper's delight. This is like the yearner's delight or something. I don't know. I'm making corny jokes to avoid feeling the pain. It's so ouchy. It's so ouchy. And it's 99 minutes, but it doesn't, it it's not a tight 90, but not in a way where where you're like,
03:02:51
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you don't like it, but it's more just like, we're making sure you feel this yeah it feels longer than that, but not in a bad way. Not in a way where you're like, Oh my God, how long is it going to take? Like it just, you've got to live like an entire chunk of life.
03:03:06
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with these two people you and you linger and it does cut ahead in time to like, yeah, you know, like when, when them, them being older and stuff, but then like you linger in those more, I mean, that's what you're to give that you're like lingering in those moments that you you can't like, it does feel like slow motion. Are you seeing the love of your life walk away through the rain? You're like, oh, Maggie Chung.
03:03:31
Speaker
yeah Has anybody ever been more beautiful in a movie and all all of her dresses are just, I mean, everything. I'm i'm i'm i'm hijacking this. Please continue. i just That movie makes me crazy. You should hijack it because i've i'm it's making me dumb because that's how good the movie is. Nick, have you seen it? fine I haven't. No. What was the name of it? In the Mood for Love.
03:03:59
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Yeah, you want to cry and feel like all the feelings I want. It's also just like perhaps like maybe the most beautiful looking movie that's ever been made possible. It's a strong contender. Like have you heard of color? They invented it. Wong Kar-Wai invented the full spectrum of color that's visible to the human eye.
03:04:21
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Um, it read green like, yeah, you invented the, it must've been re-released in theaters soon. Cause when I pull it up on letterbox, it says no show times near you. So I think oh my fucking god if that's maybe it might be coming out. I don't know if I could be around like a ah large audience swash. Um, to okay. So Doug, when you were bringing up chowie on fat earlier and how just like, just there's nobody doing it like him. I would also put Tony lung.
03:04:48
Speaker
in the same camp. They're incredible together in John Mu's hard boil, but I won't get sidetracked. um Tony Lung's face is such an incredibly, not only is it a beautiful face, he can do things with his eyes that other people can't do with their entire bodies and all the all the vocabulary in their brain and volume in their voice. He's just, that man can fucking emote like nobody's business.
03:05:17
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Because there's a lot of quietness in like the actual like dialogue and like what the characters are saying, but they're saying so much. Yeah, there's so much being said and like glances and looks, especially when you're holding on Tony's face and you're just like, yeah, you you're feeling everything he's feel you like you get it. You see all the things that he's cycling through and you're like, man, it's yeah, it's it's one of the like, how do I even phrase this? Like,
03:05:45
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It sticks out to me as like the best example of like acting without much dialogue. You don't you don't need it. They're doing everything with their faces. ah And there's so- I love ah ah how much is not explicitly explained to the viewer that you have to be paying attention and picking up on little cues. I like that it's not being spoon-fed to us. ah And ah I love the ways that they communicate their affection for each other without touch or kissing or any kind of actual, like, explicit romantic declaration. Like, it is so fucking heartbreakingly romantic. The whole the whole thing is.
03:06:36
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Yeah, movies can be extremely sensual without... Yes, thank you, that's yes that's the word. Actually showing another director who's great at that is a Park Chen. I mean, he also will show people fluffing.
03:06:51
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He can also show the relationship of like, like decision to leave is like all that of like, that there's like, like, uh, two people sharing a cigarette and you're like, this is like great. Hardcore, hardcore pornography. Well, I'm also thinking about, um, the scene in the bathtub and the handmaid and they're touching, but they're not like kissing. It's right. Oh my God. Uh, and then the scene of, um,
03:07:20
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the scene with the piano in stoker uh that's sex that is fucking she speaking of of speaking of uncle fucking circling back yeah they they fucked on that piano they fucked on the piano in the piano inside the key The keys were the jokes. The score and in the mood for love is also just like so iconic.
03:07:49
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and ah But capturing that feeling of love, yearning, like gives you everything at the same time that you're getting it from the performances. And the way that it's used like repetitively, it's like you're like, because yeah, if you're in that situation, you're replaying all these sweet little moments that you get these stolen moments that you get with this person.
03:08:08
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like over and over because that's all that you have. You have these little tiny snippets of time before you have to go back to your regular life with your spouse that sucks. I'll just leave it at that. Oh my God. it's It's incredible. I was just looking at my letterbox review, like speaking of, of, so of smoking sent central smoking. I said I haven't had a cigarette in eight years and to have not as a single craving in that time, but now feels like a good time as I need to take the hat. Like just talking about the movie, I'm like, I just go for like a cigarette, right? It makes you feel like you want, but also Tony lung looks so good, smoking cigarettes, like
03:08:50
Speaker
There should just be like two hour loop. I would watch that. I would watch, I would watch an in the mood for love Tony lung smoking super cut all day long. Release the Tony release the smoking. cut yeah Exactly.
03:09:05
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Oh, anyway, that's my number two. Hell yeah.
03:09:12
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Um, that one is streaming on Criterion. I don't know if you had said that already. I hadn't gone around. Thank thank thank you, Nick. Yeah, Criterion and Max. Yeah, it was like I had to be back in time for that. Uh, yeah, yeah, it is on, it is on Max, so.
03:09:30
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guys have no excuse go watch it all right well my number two movie is after Sun I don't know if you guys had I am I haven't I'm afraid but afraid that's exactly why I haven't seen it Based on how everyone responds to it, I'm like, I don't know. Let's go fuck me up. Yeah. I lost my mind crying at the end of this movie. I didn't see it coming either because everyone, I was reading reviews. Everyone's like, this movie will get you. This will get you. And it did like move me throughout. Like it's a really sweet, lovely movie.
03:10:06
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You're just watching ah this home footage that ah this of this ah daughter and her father and it's in the framing device of this daughter's older now watching this home footage, like reflecting on it. And you get the implication like her father passed away, like maybe it was too wasn't too long after the video was taken. It's not like set out loud. There's no real dialogue in like the present day.
03:10:36
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moments at all, but um god is it just like, just devastating by the end of it. It made me just remember moments where I was just a kid and like I was just trying to get in the POV of like,
03:10:53
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what What these life experiences were like like, did I understand everything that was happening around me? Did I understand like struggles my parents may have been going through at the time? And it's it's just a deeply like moving film. i It's directed by Charlotte Wells. She hasn't directed a feature since then, but yeah. Does she have a new think? i Maybe I'm thinking about some, I thought she had something announced or the,
03:11:22
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but Maybe I'm thinking, I might be thinking about another director. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, she doesn't have anything um'm on. um and I am mistaken. Yeah, that does. That sounds like it's going to kick my ass, but like also would probably really resonate with me because like we have all had them and we were like, Oh, yeah.
03:11:41
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My parents are people. they like you like that date that It's like almost like an abstract concept until you crystallize. It is. it's It's a completely abstract concept until we have that concrete proof like, oh shit, you're just me but older. It doesn't mean you have any more information or any more skills. You're just an older person than I am.
03:12:03
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right there's something about this movie that like i really connected to like growing up and even now um i've never really been too close with my parents i've always kind of felt like a stranger to them kind of like they don't really understand me when I was a kid I felt that way to this day I still feel like there's a struggle to understand and it's like I try so hard to like show them who I am and I feel like they just don't
03:12:36
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Get it. And there was something like I watched this and I was like, I kind of wish I had this growing
Impact of 'Aftersun'
03:12:44
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up. Like I wish I had like this positivity to reflect on from my childhood. There was something like, I wouldn't say it's like envy, but I was just like.
03:12:56
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you know For how like devastating the movie is, that there was like a sweetness to it. and i was like I don't know if I can reflect on like childhood memories and find the same like sweetness. There's like a sadness I find in my own like childhood when I reflect on it. and I felt a bit of that sadness watching this too and this is something I think I'm gonna be watching time and time again and really trying better to understand um my feelings when I watch the movie and understand what the characters themselves are going through um when they're experiencing it.
03:13:39
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it's ah It's not a plotty movie, but if you really sink in to the characters and put yourself in the father's shoes and the daughter's shoes, I think you can find a lot to like empathize with and take away from this.
03:13:55
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movie, but I highly recommend it. It's a really ah strong movie. One of my favorites from this year or one of my favorite watches from this year, I should say last year. You know what I mean. You know what you mean. Thank you for. Yeah. and Thank you. the the The numbers are coming in. The calls are coming. We've just been awarded best podcast episode of ow like each hour. We keep like we keep doing ourselves.
03:14:21
Speaker
yeah that's crazy that to be awarded the presidential medal of freedom that's so cool and's all things they must mean it on earth right now like the meme but he's not even president so it's weird that was more so my pitch to you guys like it I I think like you know I don't know if you guys will I feel like you guys will watch it and have a different takeaway than I did. I think that's the beauty of this movie is you can project what you want onto it and you can read what you want. it's nothing It's not feeding you anything. It's just placing all of this in front of you and it's just like, make with it what you will. That's at least what my experience was like with this movie. Kind of like skin of a rink.
03:15:08
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No. I mean, in a way, you know. Also about childhood and parents and you can project some stuff. I don't know. There's similarities to what you're saying. Now, if we did Best Watches for like 2023 or 2022, whenever I saw that movie, Skinema Rink would be near the top. I still haven't seen it. Yeah, that was when I watched it. It's been recommended to me a handful of times. I've not seen it yet.
03:15:36
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I watched that one on like my iPad in like a dark room. That's kind of the best way to, you should watch it on a small, maybe like kind of blurry screen. I mean, the movie's already shot to like obscure what you're seeing, but like you, yeah, you should watch it in the dark. Like maybe like have a blanket over, like a blanket for you.
03:15:57
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launch it than like him That movie scared the shit out of me. After Sun, though, one could make the argument they're similar movies. They would make for a good double feach. That was like a single movie, yeah. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, that's my number two. Hell yeah. Zoe, you want to knock out your number one? Is this like a heavy hitter? Are all of our number ones like important to us? What are we bringing on the table? Yeah, I would say so. I think out of like,
03:16:27
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Like I was saying that these are not ranked. I think this would actually maybe be like properly ranked as my number one. um This year I watched ah David Cronenberg's M Butterfly for the first time. um I think about it probably every single day.
03:16:45
Speaker
ah What Cronenberg can do in 90 minutes, most people can't do in a fucking lifetime. And this is different. Like, I, it's, you know, it's not his body horror stuff, obviously. And it's not his like, you know, like Viggo Mortensen, more like normal movies. And I put that in air quotes of like history of violence and Eastern promises where they're not like sicko mode Cronenberg. Obviously he still got his fingerprints all over it and they are distinctly Cronenbergian takes on these subjects, but this is in in its own category entirely. um I don't want to give too much about the actual plot itself because that's part of, like, you've got to fucking watch it and see how it unfolds, but I'll give just, like, the one sentence on letterbox is, in 1960s China, French diplomat René Gallimard falls in love with an opera singer Song Liling, but Song is not at all who Gallimard thinks, so I'll leave that there.
03:17:42
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Jeremy Irons is incredible. um There's stuff in the story revealed by the other actors being listed, so I don't want to go there, but ah this is an absolutely achingly beautiful, devastating watch. This was another one where I just sat in silence. Oh, I mean, not just, I watched it, like, like watch it on the phone with, a shout shout out to Ani on film Twitter,
03:18:09
Speaker
But ah we just sat there in complete silence. for I think about like five minutes. Neither of us, said we just couldn't even speak. um it's see the it's so It's so beautiful to look at. it's the the The color palette in it is stunning. The sets and the like the architecture is just nuts. like These are real things that were built that people were actually walking around in.
03:18:36
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um There are a couple shots in it that I like will that i see in my mind every single day. um The performance is the story. It deals with... like Without ever being... I feel like preachy isn't even the right word, but without ever being like, this is these are the things that we're talking about, it covers... like geopolitics, gender, interpersonal relationships, sexuality, like love, yearning, fucking like there's it's it's i'm I'm not smart enough to talk about this movie. Like I feel like I need to read a couple of more books before I can properly talk about this movie and why it is so incredible.
03:19:21
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but um this, and like as a Cronenberg freak, this like immediately shot to the top of my, like ah not that it needs to be, it's all about the ranks, it needs to be ranked, but I just was gobsmacked by it. It was another one that I pretty much immediately rewatched. I like i went home to LA to see my parents like a couple of days after and I immediately had to show my mom. ah It's, wow.
03:19:49
Speaker
i just i can't i cannot recommend it enough. It will hurt your fucking feelings, but you'll be so glad that it did. it's just it's I find Cronenberg to be deeply romantic for all of his
Praise for 'M Butterfly'
03:20:02
Speaker
sickness that some people misread as pure sickness. um I think this is the most... If we're talking about like romance as like as it... having ah How do I phrase this?
03:20:13
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like in terms of its relation to like tragedy, it's deeply, deeply, achingly romantic. It's just a, it's a stunning, stunning movie. Yeah. Hell yeah. That's M Butterfly. It's not streaming anywhere. Those last couple we've hit haven't been, but you can rent or buy it on all of your streams. Rent, yeah. That's what I did. These all are owns. You gotta get them. Just get them. Yeah, honestly, just get it. It's wow.
03:20:44
Speaker
I need, I need to see it. You had me Jeremy Irons and Corona. So would you say, jeremy iron would you say this is ah even ah probably an impossible filmmaker to rank, but like, would you say this is your favorite crony over crash? No, I'm a, I'm, I'm a little bit more of a sicko than I am a romantic. Actually I'm a lot more of a sicko and I am a romantic, not that the two are, it is, I guess I'll say in terms of like,
03:21:13
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if we're just going kind of more like surface level, we don't want to and ah we're not going to dig into how me being a second meeting romantic are actually deeply intertwined. But it's the same thing. It's that they are very much the Venn diagram is a lot of overlap. It's almost a circle. um And Cronenberg understands that. But Crash is just that book because i I don't know that I could really like say that I have one favorite movie except for maybe Crash. like the other like My top three to five would be rotating, but Crash might just be my favorite movie that's ever been made, which says a lot about me. but
03:21:51
Speaker
you know i i would and I wouldn't make any arguments against it being one of the best movies. Yeah, yeah it's it's my favorite of his, maybe my favorite movie ever, but M. Butterfly immediately shot to like just about the top of my list. It's just it's i such a like beautiful dimension to add to a director's filmography that I already adore, who already can do so much, has done so much.
03:22:16
Speaker
ah it's It's a really cool ah like yeah additional facet to have in your like Cronenberg knowledge. I mean, Nick, you were taught, I'm pretty sure this was on mic, so I don't think I'm blowing up your your spot, like on ah movies about couples exploring some kind of new thing together. that That's all, that's like most of the Cronenberg movies I've seen, especially Crash. So like- What if we gave a another hole?
03:22:44
Speaker
but That's in Crash, another hole. No, I mean, well- No, no, no. Screws in your legs make holes. not a new those aren't Those are holes. They're not, I don't, you know what? That thing crashed i crash? hmm. Crash? So, Cronenberg's a filmmaker I've struggled with. um Not like I'm just like, oh, he's like a bad filmmaker. His story's like, I don't think it's like trash or beneath me in any way.
03:23:11
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um I just know it's like, ah like the fly I can handle but like video drum was one I like tried to do and I'm like, this is like almost like too, like dark for me. Huh? Yeah, but uh, and I didn't get too far into video drum. So maybe it was like lighter and I was just hyping it up in my head. But just i mean explores dirk still but I think you can handle it. You're you're a big boy. You can do man I'm like really like more squeamish than I feel like I've ever been I think part of it too I've like developed like a weird germ-fobe a little bit and I feel like it's like tied to that like that's made me more squirmish with what I'm watching in movies There's my appetite like with what I'm watching now. I didn't used to do that. It's like I'm changing a little bit but uh like man, I kind of wish you were gonna say you like this more than crash I was like All right, then I gotta, now I'm feeling like I have no reason to not watch Crash, but I don't know. There's no reason for no one not to to watch Crash. andnna you you let's say anyone You have to watch Crash and Butterfly and you just gotta, it's, it's, it's, they're great movies. And Nick, Nick, I know you joke. All pure filth and and degradation. There's, there's a lot to dig in there.
03:24:25
Speaker
Yeah. And I know like body horror isn't always your thing. I'm not saying the movies don't get gross for Corona, coronavirus but that isn't the focus of a crash. Like, right. And the movie overarching thing through the ones I've seen, it's like, it's more about the transformation. Yeah. They're like in you as a person, like not the physical, the physical thing is kind of like part of it almost just like, yeah, it's just like a representation of what's going on. Yeah.
03:24:53
Speaker
Man, oh, oh Nick looks so scared right now you guys can't I am Nothing in your top 10 You can do that you're fine Is the substance, does that go harder than these Cronenbergs we're talking? Cronenberg is maybe the scariest like, quote unquote, like mainstream or like known filmmaker, I think for me, where I'm just like, just because you're scared of the body. I'm hypochondriac. I'm like, what?
03:25:28
Speaker
I hate knowing about the human body. I'm like, I don't want to know what's going on inside. Then I would say that makes my case even easier for you watching Crash and M. Butterfly, because that's not his body you were dealing with. Yeah, that's not really... Okay. That's not... Yeah, there is some... I mean, you saw the fly. That's way more than... If you can deal with the fly and the substance, you will have no problem stomaching anything in those two.
03:25:53
Speaker
Yeah, see, it's where the fly, I could do the substance where I was like, I don't know if I could do this. It's the splitting open of the back and that whole thing. I was like, I don't know if I could do that, but it was like just CGI enough to where I was able. I was like, just spray yourself.
03:26:13
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Yeah. i mean that That whole tone is cranked so high up that it's like not, there's an unreality to the substance. Yeah. Like the thing for as much as I love it, I still wanna almost cue when the stomach opens and I'm just like, oh my God, that's just disgusting. Oh, fuck. Top five cinematic moments in LA. Yeah head fucking separate thing I can watch this thing right now. I can watch the thing any day any week any month any time
03:26:50
Speaker
The thing is top five horror for me, but it is weird. Whenever body horror or something like that does break through, I end up loving it. But I'm terrified going in, usually. Well, the things that scare us are often perfect. But when it works, it does work like the fly. Like the fly, the substance, whatever the last one I just mentioned was. Like those ones were all ones I was like pretty afraid going to. We don't need to spend more time talking about it. No, this was all an intervention. We were working up to talk you into body horror. Yeah, Yeah, we were working up to this. three and a half hours. We weren't even recording. We wore down your defenses. This is like that Kubrick thing. You got to just wear them down. Exactly. We baited you into talking about Coraline and After Sun to weaken your emotional defenses, and now we can get to the real meat of today's conversation.
03:27:41
Speaker
Oh, man. yeah Watching Cronin. is getting you Getting you to watch Crash. We've we've gathered you here today. ah What are you afraid about finding with changing within yourself? Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. OK, Doug, you're up.
03:28:01
Speaker
ah My number one, this is a pretty late in the year. of Yeah, I don't. Some of it could just be time and place when when when I running on not a lot of sleep after the election I watched blow out and man this uh this fucking movie I mean there's been times in my even though I've like you know he's in ah like some movies that I love but like there's times where I'm like Travolta how is this guy he's gotten like three different career revivals and then like it peters out like why we keep giving him at bats and then you watch I watch I'm like well I'm like oh because they right because it's got
03:28:43
Speaker
the he's dripping with so much juice like the juice is like overflow like there's just the it's flowing off the screen off a hit like people are slipping on it there's like juice everywhere yeah like slip like yeah it's it's it's man it's just the the thing ah in the thing that I like in filmmakers like say Cronenberg or ah when they get into like obsession why do we like fixate on certain things like what I've been as I've been getting more into the Palma like it's like a thing of like yeah sometimes you just like not to the level of stakes that
03:29:25
Speaker
characters in his films are, but like, you know, sometimes you get stuck on something or a person or ah an idea or, a you know, think there's just a thread you have to pull at some times that you like, you're like, I.
03:29:39
Speaker
I can't let this go.
Discussion of 'Blow Out'
03:29:41
Speaker
And then like the these movies are almost like, well, OK, you're going to pull it. There's this what happens. There's this going to lead somewhere like there's going to be an unraveling of that because you pulled the thread. So now let's see what that is. Yeah. um And I think he's just a master at that. Like I've always heard all the hype going into like The palm of like that. Yeah, he's ah wears on a sleeve and he's a student of Hitchcock and like Hitchcock's one of my favorite filmmakers like this is this is encapsulates everything I have of about Hitchcock and those kind of movies like yeah vertigo another movie about obsession. Yeah, it's just like yeah yeah, you can't some people I say some people like I've never been yeah so or fixated on anything in my life some people some of you
03:30:36
Speaker
Some of you guys need to grow up. touch Go outside and touch grass, you guys. I'm normal. I don't know about you guys. De Palma is such a, such a little, he's just he's he's a sicko after my own heart.
03:30:49
Speaker
I also had not seen blowout before this year when you and I watched it last month. ah Oh my god, like just the editing in that movie is insane. All the like, it was, I that probably said this, we were watching it, but like I love all the little like gadget shots and process shots. It feels almost like like like a man movie. You're watching a guy who's good at his job. Do all the things. no Absolutely. When he's cutting the the film together, I was like, this is like just as exciting as in Manhunter when they're trying to process like the the print off of like they have the letter on like the tissue paper. And I'm like, this is the most exciting shit ever. Literally. man ho And like similarly in the technical. Yeah.
03:31:35
Speaker
you're You're watching someone do manual analog editing with 70s or 80s, you know, early 80 tech technology. And I'm like, this is this is fucking cinema. And it is like ah Travolta's great Nancy Allen. Amazing. And incredible ah Lithgow, like some like I.
03:31:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mainly like, I mean, yeah, third rock from the sun, but I think of old man with gal mainly like so to see him in. But he's like fully in freak mode here, so it is he's been in these. I think he's only you've had freak mode. I don't know if he has a different. code No, that's what I'm saying, like the mainstream like the stuff like third, even though that is a comedy about a family of freaks. So like, honestly, he's like been in freak mode forever, like you said.
03:32:29
Speaker
Even Harry and the Hendersons, some freak gets a Bigfoot, you know? Like, yeah, that's what he's been doing. ah Dennis Frans shows up in it as like the slimy, like- Oh, he's so and gross.
03:32:44
Speaker
It's like a perfect character trajectory. Like he seems like even if he wasn't chewing gum that this guy's perpetually like, yeah, you know, I was out by like, uh, showing some film at night. It was just like a guy who's just so casually sleazy that like he is on, he's completely accepted. And yeah, like not, not in a way where that's like healthy self-awareness. You're like, no, he's accepted his grossness as like,
03:33:10
Speaker
Uh, you know, so he can just continue being gross. Right. It is what it is. Like, what are you, whating a good what are you going to do? Oh my god, blood is incredible. Like, I feel like him and then also Lithgow, like, again, if I was smarter, I could see like that they represent different parts of like the psyche of America. and Now those are things that I was also thinking about for some reason on November six or seventh, whenever i wanted that was. like and Whenever, whenever we did that thing, uh, well, I didn't do it. I didn't do shit. Uh, you can't blame me. You can't blame that as on me. Uh, yeah, I don't know. It's incredible. It's one of my favorite movies ever. Uh, it's streaming on something. It's on Tubi. Tubi's that girl once again.
03:34:07
Speaker
Another diploma shoutout that I want to just just slide in here real quick is a Body Double. I also watched that for the first time this year. Oh my fucking god, Body Double rules.
03:34:18
Speaker
this dude yeah speaking of we were talking about actors that have nothing but three stars and up i mean he's got a couple ones that seem like people weren't too didn't favor too much but um he's got like all three stars and up his filmography i've like been Flirting with watching Carlito's way so many times. It's just like two and a half hours long, but Al Pacino that movie just seems like it's gonna be fucking great Yeah, I've heard lots of good things about it. But yeah, I got to check out blowout That's been on my list for fucking ever that also has crazy high rating You need to see body double to you better put that on your watch list right now.
03:35:01
Speaker
It's so good. That's it. I think it's saying something that i I consciously tried to avoid doing more than one by the same filmmaker, but the fact that I had fan of the... pair like I couldn't remove fan of Paradise or Blowout. They're both too important. So like that that's that's the level that DePaul was operating at. what can I didn't know you had watched both of those for the first time this year because you bring them up So often, I thought they were like, you're like classic movies. You're like, yes, for every year, for 10 years, I watch Paradise and Blowout, you know? Well, it's rewritten my brain in a way that feels like it always has been there. Yeah, I mean, that's how you know movies in impactful, where it's like now you're referencing it like you've known it for years. You know, it's it's an old friend.
03:35:56
Speaker
Yeah. Like when I became a Mission Impossible fan, I was like, I've been here since the beginning. like I was always here for Tom Cruise and these movies and these I've i've never, never wave. Yeah. i I know you're listening. I've always been there.
03:36:13
Speaker
Yeah, once I watched all the Mission Impossible, I started telling people, I'm like, they have a special place in my heart. And they're like, you've been there the whole time? And I was like, no, I got on like a week before Fallout. Yeah. Well, OK, we're connecting it back to De Palma and to Wu with the Mission Impossible franchise.
03:36:34
Speaker
Yeah de paul like the start of like regardless of where you rank one in your rank it's it's undeniable that that's like became like yeah the Macquarie ones like tweak the balance of action to the the intrigue and the s you know like all the paranoia stuff but like he set the framework for like Every single movie is Ethan Hunt on the run because he's been disavowed because you can't trust the American government. you know like they're kind of very they're extremely It's an extremely cynical franchise about the the American intelligence apparatus. and like That's because the first one it's coming from was incredibly cynical about the coming from inside the house. you know
03:37:18
Speaker
yup that that first mission impossible like even though it's a struggle recommending it to people i always have to like tell them like okay the beginning is like kind of dated you got to get through it because you're like along for the right the it it's like shot very in like a dated way i was like with modern technology this would have like probably worked out a lot like better i mean the only thing that like show you like with like the computer screen and the pov it just it no i love the pov
03:37:52
Speaker
it's something that didn't particularly work for me but like the whole movie like after that like and I've like had some people tell me like they don't like the first mission pilot and they couldn't get through it and I'm like I know they're struggling with the intro I'm like just fucking get through it it cuz I know like that scene of Tom Cruise hanging is like, yes, it's iconic. We've all seen it. But listeners, if you've never watched this, you have to just experience it within the context of the movie on a screen just for the first time. There's nothing like actually experiencing it because I'm like, I know this scene. But when I was watching it, I was and I was like all unfolding. I was like,
03:38:38
Speaker
Oh, this is like the thing I've known about. And then I started to like lean forward and get on the edge of my seat. And then when he's dangling and the knife and the rope slipping and I'm just like, Oh my God, this is so exciting. Even though I've, I've seen it parodied, we all know that. But you have to actually experience it to really understand why it's so iconic.
03:39:05
Speaker
There's there's ah that's the power of like classic film that like, even if you've seen a thousand parodies of it, that the real thing like like The Matrix has been parodied a million times after it came out. But when you're actually watching Trinity do the like the the freeze kick, you know, in circles around her or the you know bullet dodge time, the bullet time dodge. ah It's like, yeah, this is the fucking movies, man. yeah This is like ah undeniable and that that's that's what the that that sequence is I mean honestly the movies filled with with great secret like I'd say the the coolest stuff for me is when he blows the fish tank up because like it's so much fucking water I'm like oh my god and I love that like that interaction with ah Tom and I forget the actor's name the one who comes back in Dead Reckoning
03:39:59
Speaker
No, the one who, uh, faked, uh, I'll just look it up. John Voight? Yeah, John Voight. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's when they're actually talking. It's impossible, because like, you should, you should have seen this, I don't know.
03:40:14
Speaker
yeah When they're actually talking and he's like telling Tom the fake story, but we're seeing one of my favorite scenes in any movie Yeah, i love that so good and I I feel like that's the diploma of it all Yeah, that's like a reason to watch this dude's filmography such a blind spot. I rewatch Carrie um for the second time this year movie rule god I fucking love carrie Yeah, De Palma, I'm glad he was brought up. I really have to dive into this guy's filmography, even though like, the movies I've seen, I don't know how you guys feel. I don't like Scarface.
03:40:54
Speaker
I like it just fine. It's just not i'm not like my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. It's never worked for me. Like if I'm, right especially if I'm ranking, well, if I'm ranking the Palmas I've seen or if I'm ranking Pacino, you know, like there's so many I'm putting above for first, you know, like, but I'm not, you know, if I'm channel flipping and it's on, there's definitely, there's definitely something I get out of it. So I'm not a shell'm not putting it.
03:41:18
Speaker
ah yeah ah I mean, it's not as good as the PS2 game, but you know, it's it's pretty good.
03:41:28
Speaker
but so yeah
03:41:33
Speaker
Well, that was Doug's number one. Well, you think about it even it was inevitable. No more Cold War, no more secrets to keep from yourself. Answer to no one but yourself. Then you wake up one morning, find out the president is running the country without your permission. The son of a bitch. How dare you realize it's over. You're an obsolete piece of hardware. Not worth upgrading. You got a lousy marriage and 62 grand a year.
03:42:00
Speaker
i was just I love that that that scene you were talking talking about, Nick, where where it's it's basically the reveal, you know, confirmation for us and Tom Cruise that it was Voight, but he can't reveal that in the the moment. And also they've done, like I said, that he set the template. Cavill has a moment like that where he's talking about Lark, like it's not him and his motivations. Like he does a version of the scene.
03:42:26
Speaker
And avoid avoid versions. but I mean, for me, like I like I like the yeah original recipe. Yeah. I know. First one is haveil put way high up on my list. i I fuck with the first mission impossible heavily.
03:42:39
Speaker
It's so good. One in three, I feel like don't get the the appreciation they deserve. um if Three gets fully dismissed. If three just didn't, if we were just like erased any proof that JJ Abrams touched, like I get that like where he is now is like a I don't even know what you call what he does now, a creative, involved person. Yeah, he got paid by Warner Brothers to not make movies for two years. Yeah, so I i understand not liking his deal now, but like it's not like I'm going to go back and like retroactively deny. I mean, we'll see more often. We'll see more often.
03:43:21
Speaker
So good, Aaron Paul, everybody's favorite Mission Impossible character yeah playing himself. Bring him back for the final reckoning. He's playing his character from the corn music video he was in. That's what I thought was really cool. I love that. Oh, man. Deep cuts. Yeah. Check out the music video for Thoughtless. okay I don't know if people really like that song, but Aaron Paul, he's the lead.
03:43:48
Speaker
Um, okay. They, yeah, that's, that's all the the palm up blow out stuff I got. more i but I won't interrupt with any more mission impossible. We always get moving it back to mission no matter what. Yeah. I'll try to keep this short.
Highlighting 'Your Name'
03:44:01
Speaker
Uh, cause I saw this at the beginning of the year, so I don't fully remember a whole lot about it. Just my experience with it. But, um, this movie is called your name. It's, uh, an animated movie. This is great.
03:44:13
Speaker
Yeah it's one that it came on two thousand and sixteen i first heard about it when i film cast at the time slash film cast they covered it and it just sounded like a really special movie i almost want to see it in theaters didn't that was when i was making bad decisions and make better decisions now and i go see the movies but i i Didn't see it in theaters and it took forever to actually like get an American release that was decent I bought it on blu-ray didn't watch it on blu-ray then it finally hit streaming sometime last year, so I bought it up and just um Back in January, I think ah the girl I was dating she had just moved from here to Oklahoma So it was a really like
03:45:00
Speaker
kind of like off and like depressing time. And I put on this movie because I was like, I need something that's like kind of comforting. And this movie just did it. I mean, the premise is um really cool. If you like a body swap movie, it's a body swap type of premise and it almost like body horror.
03:45:25
Speaker
anyway yeah more The real horror is, well that would be a spoiler. um but okay but it There's a twist on the body swap element though.
03:45:40
Speaker
um that i I don't want to give away. But this movie is almost impossible to talk about without spoiling it. I feel like if I was able to get into it, I would probably like cry describing like two specific scenes. But there's one where I'm just watching it and it's just this... I'm filled with emotion. It's beautiful. I'm like, oh, love, it's beautiful. And then something happens and you're just speechless. And then the next thing I know, I can only compare it to like and when I was watching oh a way more deeply sad movie, Dear Zachary. But it's like one of those points where it's like you almost have to stop the movie because you are just crying too much. and
03:46:30
Speaker
like this moment like two separate moments in this movie had like a gut punch like that and it's like one of those movies where you're just like ah love finds a way and it will across space and time and all of this will find a way and you will plot atlas be reconnected it's like different but like same like sentiment kind of but it's it's very good i wish i could go more into more in depth but i don't want to spoil it for anybody i highly recommend your name this movie rules it's on a crunchy roll right now and you can uh buy it or stream it from apple tv it seems like they have the streaming rights cornered
03:47:21
Speaker
I own it on Voodoo though. It's weird though. They must just keep taking movies off. They can't keep getting away with this. I do think I because they took Shin Godzilla off. I still own that. I wonder if I still own your name but I've got it on.
03:47:37
Speaker
on blu-ray i'm head very happy on this is a special special movie i'm not able to adequately like convey it but this movie is so special like more special than after sun than coralline um okay if you believe in love ah they could watch this movie it fucking it it will destroy you and you won't be able to stop thinking about it it'll be yeah it'll be it'll live with you this is a movie that lives with me now That's awesome. I yeah love that. I love that review. That's but you've if you've sold it more than successfully sold it. Yeah. It looks like it's also on YouTube, but I don't know if it's like the sub or the dub or I didn't investigate fully yeah what what that upload was. And I don't judge for either. For me, it's like depends on what day. Yeah.
03:48:33
Speaker
it Everybody's judgmental, honestly, if we all really dive into it. but fuck i um It depends on what kind of day I'm having, really, if I want to do dub or sub. But I did this one, dub. I'm pretty sure that's the only way I was able to purchase it. okay Oh, really? Yeah, sometimes we all make the and subs available. so Yeah. But yeah, this movie is beautiful. I hope you guys check it out.
03:49:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's something that I heard great things about when it came out. And then I was like, I should see that. And then, you know, just the over flux of things that I need to watch or consume and then don't get to. So I just so many movies to watch.
03:49:19
Speaker
I know, too many movies. That's why I can't be too hard on somebody for not watching a recommendation. Right. But if there's one that I know, like, not even one that's like, personal to me, but if there's one I see and I'm like, this person will like it, and I am confident it will be for them, then I will get on their case. Yeah. Because I'm like, this will be additive to your life. Yeah, you know you need this. It's not about what I want you to do, it's about what you need for yourself.
03:49:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's how we- Like Nick and Crash. You'll be better. you i need and Is that one of those where you're like, Nick, I know your sensibilities and this is for you.
03:50:02
Speaker
Honestly, that's how I feel about some of the Lynch you need to fill into. What, that they fit my sensibility. I mean, Lynch is more just, I'm always intimidated. Like, am I going to like really have to lock into this? And like, sometimes I just don't know the brain power for it. I mean, no, you, I get what you're saying, but like.
03:50:24
Speaker
Any idiot could watch Twin Peaks. You know, like I'm not, I'm not saying that Twin Peaks is a longer one. Cause isn't it like a 20 episode, like season hour? And then it doesn't help that every single person is like season two is bad and it's long. And I'm like, well, you're not selling it. I'm not like my cousin Eli told me that he was like, season two kind of sucks. You'll have to get through it. I was like, well, that doesn't make me want to watch stuff from the show. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. There's there's story lines. I don't there's like basically one storyline that really doesn't work for me in that season. But like it's probably just the popular thing to say season two sucks. So that's why I keep hearing it. All these fucking normie takes.
03:51:13
Speaker
Don't let these normies dissuade you. yeah it It's like when people are like, well, the fly is the bad breaking bad episode. It's like, well, I disagree. I don't think there's a bad breaking bad episode. What about?
03:51:29
Speaker
No, I was trying to make up one. I was like, as there isn't one. there's There's no. The only complaint I have about Breaking Bad is they have like an awkward end of one of their seasons that I was like, I feel like this is a writer strike thing or something. The first of her season is the writer strike. Yeah, like this ends in such an incomplete place. That's the only but I didn't watch it in real time when it was like coming out. So right. I didn't have got to deal with the writer strike because then they would have killed off Aaron Paul like first season.
03:51:58
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah I've never seen Breaking Bad. You should maybe fix that. I won't tell you what to do, but maybe you should fix that.
03:52:11
Speaker
Yeah, again, if I really am going to push a show on somebody, it's usually it's going to be Undone, the Amazon Prime show. That's the one where I'll be annoying about. like Watch Undone, it will be additive to your life. um Breaking Bad, people will get to it. I feel like me pushing Breaking Bad is going to turn someone off of wanting to watch it. That's fair. Yeah.
03:52:33
Speaker
Yeah, I think I do try and champion,
'Mission Impossible' Series Discussion
03:52:36
Speaker
especially because TV, there's so much oversaturated. It's like I don't need to tell someone to watch the Sopranos, especially if they haven't seen or like, you know, you know, they'll make their way to it. Yeah. Yeah.
03:52:49
Speaker
I'll spend more time being annoying about like Legion or something. Hell yeah. But, dan guys. hot We did it. We did we did it. Just under four hours. This is a record in terms of the our longest episode. The words received. ah yeah yeah At the end of any movie where there's like a fundraiser and you see the numbers going up. The numbers keep going up. This is crazy.
03:53:17
Speaker
or donation meter type of things. The Batman Come meter just keeps just keeps going up. It's only up from here. People really appreciated that being the start to the episode. The episode's not out yet, but they really appreciate it. They really did appreciate it. They're asking for more come talk, I'm reading.
03:53:40
Speaker
It's not come talk, but I feel like we should, cat you know, have a full circle of like a weird tangent thing to close, like not get into a full thing since we've already gone like four hours. But real quick, how do we feel about and I'm not even speaking the whole movie. How do we feel about Aaron Taylor Johnson in Nosferatu?
03:54:01
Speaker
I think he looks hot and he's having, and I think. No, ah but the performance I think is great. I think he's doing and didn't understand why people were like, what are you mad about? There's been a backlash to his performance of people like, well, we all agree he's bad. and We don't. um That's the thing people really like to say for him. So someone I saw Nosferatu one time didn't have an issue with his performance. Listen to you a review where someone is like, I feel like I can always see him acting and I can see him making his choices as you're watching it.
03:54:40
Speaker
and then i watch nosferatu and i couldn't stop thinking that and so i don't know anymore and then i was rethinking nocturnal animals and i was like he is really acting in that movie but i would argue some of those characters but I 100% Friedrich and Nosferatu the character is act like the kid we're supposed to be seeing the effort of that this person this person's putting on a performance for like that's like the high society thing like yeah like someone is a good point Doug would be
03:55:15
Speaker
that's That's what he wants to be taken as serious and important. So he's acting like that, you know? That's what I felt about everybody except for Depp because Nicholas Holt even says like, don't speak of this to anyone. And I was like, yeah, this is like a world where you put on like a front cons.
03:55:32
Speaker
Absolutely. so And that's what I was thinking. is Holt is doing the same thing. But so i'm I think maybe that's what people are saying. Like, can you see him making his acting choices? I don't know. I've never really had an issue with him as an actor the way people do. um maybe I like that he was in Tenet. To bring up Tenet!
03:55:53
Speaker
How boy shit exactly yeah exactly exactly exactly like he's not the worst part of Craven like There's like ten things worst are there bad parts torate Yeah, you know I feel like all bans right I was too nice to that movie in our review I like it's one of my regrets of the year I was too nice to Craven not too nice to Craven too nice to trap I think those are my two all i don' We can do a whole two hours of i will relitigate trap right here. because i know we should do a traper We should do a trap reevaluation. Once a year, we should rehash trap, the trapening. We'll just keep doing it.
03:56:39
Speaker
I'll do it. i I do want to reevaluate it. Trap is one where I keep sitting there. I'm like, I don't think he made it funny on purpose. yeah Oh, you're wrong. So yeah i you've been proven wrong. So I think he's backpedaling. I don't
Mixed Feelings on 'Trap'
03:56:54
Speaker
know. I'm just yeah. i I don't know. The movie was strange. One of the one the best comedies of 2024. That's definitely a wavelength movie. I think you just got to be with it. Yeah, I feel like it's it's always like best to be of the mindset like I'm going to meet this piece of media where it's at. It's not not that that's like a foolproof.
03:57:17
Speaker
way to be able to enjoy or get anything good on something that's truly awful, but like, you just gotta go with it. Just vibe, just just just let it rock. I gotta reevaluate it knowing what I know now, I think, see what it does. I mean, I bought it. I didn't buy it for no reason. I also just wanna support Shyamalan. I wanna see him win. So yeah, Trap is a hard movie for me to dislike. um Yeah, but I- Because that's great.
03:57:45
Speaker
Anything?
Excitement for 'Fighter Flight'
03:57:46
Speaker
I mean, I defended the happening for a while and I eventually turned on it. I was like, this movie does fucking suck ass, man. It's okay. Well, that's the one that I would make the argument for, that not all that's intentionally funny. Yeah. That's where he is. Some juice is leaking in that one and not in like the way that you want it to. You can say that some of the juice is loose. Yeah. I don't know. What's a positive note we can end on? Not me just being mad about trap.
03:58:15
Speaker
Um, hmm. Josh Hartnett has bleach blonde hair and he's looking like a dirtbag in a new action movie that's coming out by the producers of John Wick. Nick, we need to do a trailer reaction to this movie, Fighter Flight.
Critique of Larger Budget Action Films
03:58:30
Speaker
It's like, it looks like Bullet Train on a plane. And he's, yeah. He looks just like so hot.
03:58:40
Speaker
I don't give a shit if the movie's good. I don't give a shit what it's about. I am seated. Yeah, I'm gonna be there. I'm seated right now. i'm The theater employees are scared about how seated I am.
03:58:55
Speaker
I'm trying to pre-log it for five stars. now alex This looks like it's an actual indie type of thing, too. it it does It doesn't look like it has the budget of like the recent John Wick. I mean, people forget John Wick 1 almost was a direct-to-video thing, so it it does look like it's more like that. Probably lower budget than John Wick.
03:59:17
Speaker
Well it's kinda like what we were talking about doug and even though you know you're right it doesn't make it right though but when I'm like alright smaller action movie that makes me feel like they'll try harder with that. Yeah that's fair I hope so. Yeah yeah. Yeah cause the bigger ones get lazy. I think that was red one where I was like the bigger the budget the shittier the action. Why even go there? There's just nothing like.
03:59:44
Speaker
Well, you were looking for Christmas cheer and we didn't find any.
Advocacy for Richard Kelly
03:59:48
Speaker
Yeah. There was barely any Christmas in that Christmas movie. It was really weird. Yeah. Well, the Rock's big bald head was there though. Was it? It was. It was an iMac. We saw it in iMac. It was so very good.
04:00:05
Speaker
I didn't pay money for that shit. ah Watch The Rock on set and Southland Tales streaming. What's that on? It might be on 2. I watched it on 2B this year. Fucking banger. Wow. You might just have to buy it. You should buy it. That's wow. Richard Kelly. That's what everyone should.
04:00:27
Speaker
Richard, Richard Kelly, Hollywood. I'm talking to John Hollywood right now. Give Richard Kelly money. A hundred billion dollars to Richard Kelly. Yeah, we don't need any more Deadpools. Give that budget. We're good. The same the same budget for the biggest Marvel movie. The exact same budget. Richard Kelly. Oh, my God.
Reflections on Best Episode
04:00:53
Speaker
Uh, great work tonight, you guys. This is, we've covered quite a lot. We've covered many, but we've covered multiple centuries, many decades. We've covered, we've covered so much. As a matter of fact, everything. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I think this is our best episode so far. No, I'm not even like joking. I think this is yeah like, will anybody ever listen to all to it all the way through? That's a different story, but we know, take about two years we know that we did a great job. but Yeah. Having a third person prevented me from making distasteful jokes. I don't want to, I don't want to prevent you from making distasteful jokes. I want you to make distasteful jokes. I get to think before I spoke, that was very useful. So nice. I appreciated that. I appreciate you coming on. I peppered in some misogyny to fill the void, you know, yeah like a a little bit of spice.
04:01:49
Speaker
Yeah, I admitted to hating women too, I think. Did you? I think you usually do. You were too scared to do that. I did that in this episode. You gotta let me grow. Yeah. Well, if I went on like a film podcast with two guys and I didn't experience a marginal level of misogyny, it wouldn't really be like the full experience, would it? I would have felt cheated, actually. It would have felt fake and gay. So. Well, at least I'm doing it all while wearing a baby girl sweater. Exactly.
04:02:16
Speaker
Hell, I need to see baby girl. You do need to see, but that's the other positive note we could end it on is ah movies actually are horny sometimes. Go see baby girl. Baby girl. Baby girl. Baby girl. Baby girl. Baby girl. Hell yeah.
Humor and Promotions Closing
04:02:36
Speaker
You guys got any plugs? I just like chanting. No. You should make chanting more of a thing. Bringing back chanting 2025.
04:02:45
Speaker
Yeah. Chan. Chan. Chan. Chan. Oh my God. um Chanting Tatum. Chanting Tatum. Follow me on Twitter. I was just growing like I'm taking poison damage because that was bad, you guys. um Yeah. Follow me on Twitter. and That's all I got. you'll'll You'll put the link somewhere where people can see it, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. And big bulb. Cool. That's all I got.
04:03:16
Speaker
uh follow me at dug or not underscore two i mean yeah the links will be up the the shows podcast at guys got juice uh follow our patreon um we got we got some cool stuff up there already there is some stuff that i that has been made that needs to be edited and uploaded. But I there's gonna i think there's going to be an announcement about the Patreons because I have some exciting ideas. And for first, I have to run them by Nick. But then once I do, we're gonna we're going to implement some cool stuff over there that I think you guys are going to love. But right now, it's basically free. It's like a dollar. So like just sign up. You're practically making money.
04:03:59
Speaker
You're making money. Are the listener making money? That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that the listener is making money. Yeah. Is that all of them? Yeah, that's ah that's why. i got um Remember to rate and review us five stars if you haven't subscribed to our podcast. um Tell a friend. And then ah follow me on Letterboxd at Nicholas Ewers. Subscribe to my YouTube channel at Nicholas Ewers. um I'm going to be putting out a ah couple songs in the near future, maybe sooner than I expected. I just sent first iteration of one of them off to a producer. So I'll keep you guys posted on that. It'll be like piano driven. Hell yeah.
04:04:37
Speaker
piano driven composition. It fucks. I'm spoiler. Sorry. I didn't know if I'm allowed to say that. It does it is very sexual. No, it's inspired by wicked kind of like musicals I've been listening to. It's very like, like, kind of like pleasant piano driven music, violins and everything. I hope you guys dig it, but I'll keep you guys posted on that. And hell yeah.
04:05:03
Speaker
Thank you guys for having me back. It's great to see y'all and yap it y'all. Yeah, this was the yappening. We did it. We did the yappening tonight, right now. We should do that once a year if we keep this going. We'll do a yappening at the start of every new year. I like that idea. Yeah.
04:05:26
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't hear from any other episodes throughout the year. You better not show your face around here for the rest of the year. yeah You also are accumulating a debt for your appearances on the podcast too. Wow. um ah Yeah. Doug and I came up with that a couple of days ago. okay Oh yeah. You owe us for all the appearances. so Okay, got it.
04:05:50
Speaker
we'll we'll We'll send you the invoice, but I hope that doesn't affect your wanting to come on for... it's just It's just another facet of institutionalized misogyny that I deal with on a daily basis. You get it. We don't even want to do it. It's not us, it's the system. It's the system. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Don't be player-hating on this pod. I can't argue with that logic.
04:06:17
Speaker
Oh my god.
04:06:24
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night
04:06:45
Speaker
And we've been These Guys Got Juice.