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? & Three Minutes Recap
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The mysteries intensify in ‘?,’ where Locke and Eko search for the truth behind a hidden Dharma station. Then in ‘Three Minutes,’ Michael’s desperate choices are revealed in a devastating flashback that connects all the dots. Our uncle revisits the theories that ran wild during these episodes, while Nick tries to process the moral gray areas that make Lost so compelling. The stage is set for the explosive finale.
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Introduction to 'Lost with My Uncle'
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Terrific.
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Speaker
You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
00:00:36
Speaker
So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
Rewatching 'Lost': Key Events
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Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, your Lost rewatch and first-timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS, and I am a both proud and humble millennial rewatching Lost.
00:01:06
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And I am Nick, the nephew who, at this point, is kind of finding a question for everything, you know, and just about the characters, about the island. Aaron, what in the world is happening?
00:01:22
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know, Nick. I mean, we're hitting some of the heaviest episodes of season two and probably the whole show so far. Anna Lucy is dead. not really sure about Libby going in here. And we're finding out about some other stations. or Dharma stations. So that's fun.
Listener Engagement Invitation
00:01:40
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Yeah. Libby was brutal.
00:01:45
Speaker
I've got some feelings about Michael this this this time around. Yeah. Definitely got some feelings for Michael this time around. don't Don't worry.
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Speaker
Well, I can't wait to hear them. I know our listeners feel the same way. And as always, we love hearing your feedback, listeners. So feel free to send us your comments and questions to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
00:02:12
Speaker
And that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. So without further ado, let's get lost.
Season 2, Episode 21: Echo's Dream Sequences
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Jump into it. All right.
00:02:24
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So our first episode that we are covering so tonight on the podcast is season two, episode 21. And this one is literally called question mark and not the words question mark, but the actual punctuation.
00:02:41
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And this one is an Epco centric episode. So was good to see Echo getting some spotlight again. And I feel like it was a great episode.
00:02:53
Speaker
I would 100% agree. Awesome. Glad you liked it. And as we get into it, we're naturally sort of dealing with the immediate aftermath of the shootings.
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And we open up, though, with a trippy scene with Echo, which we initially aren't sure if it's real or a dream, Nick. We see Echo on the beach and Ana Lucia comes up and starts talking to him. And at that moment we're like, okay, yeah, this has got to be a dream.
00:03:22
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And then she starts spewing blood from her mouth saying, you need to help John. And then we have this weird sequence where there's all kinds of images that flip really quickly. And we transition to the hatch and Yemi appears to Echo at the hatch and tells him that important work is happening here.
00:03:43
Speaker
John has lost his way and you need to make John take you to the question mark. So what an opening. I was really digging that. What'd you think about it? I mean, it's a great way to open a great episode.
00:03:56
Speaker
I'll say that. I wish I actually had the time to go back. mean, I was a little late on watching the episode, so kind of was struggling to find time, yeah. I really should have went back and and paused through the flashes that Echo saw because i really i mean, there there's some value in that.
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You know? That's not just nothing.
00:04:21
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Knowing Lost, it's not nothing. Right. I loved that everything was about question marks and we got to see a little bit bit more of that. And Locke's done with the hatch.
00:04:35
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Right? and Or at least that's what Yemi is saying, and that Echo needs to take over. Yeah. So, when Echo wakes up from this crazy dream, right, he's concerned about Anna Lucia and gravitates towards the hatch, you know since that's where he saw Yemi, and he meets up with our other crew who finds them both dead.
00:05:03
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Yep. And Jack, John, and Kate are... you know, naturally colliding with them in this moment, and Michael stumbles out, totally playing all of them, and, this guy, he had a gun!
00:05:17
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And Jack is also desperately trying to save Libby, who we find out isn't dead yet. I told you she wasn't dead yet. I knew it.
00:05:29
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You did. But then they just they just went ahead and made her death slow and painful, so. Yeah. It was both joyous and terrible. Yeah, I was excited. I thought she was going to make it, and she didn't. i mean, lucky for Michael, because Michael was terrified when he saw that Libby may live, and he acts like he's he's caring for Libby. Like, is she okay? is she okay? But really, he's just trying to see if she'll be able to rat on him.
00:06:05
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Right. And my fear was, oh, what's Michael going to try to do if Libby is alive, right? Right. Yeah. That would have been even that much worse.
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So I'm glad the show did not go in that direction.
00:06:25
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We then see Echo say a prayer over Anna's dead body and soul as Locke kind of looks on remorsefully as well. And Jack, of course, wants to immediately pick up the trail on Not Henry.
Echo's Quest for the Question Mark
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He asked Michael, how long has it been? Michael's like, I don't know, 30 minutes. And Jack's like, we can pick up the trail. And Sawyer talks him out of it so that he can stay and help Libby. And Sawyer made some comment about who's going to take care of Libby while you're off playing Daniel Boone or some comment like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:01
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And Echo volunteers. So that was very convenient for him as he's just had his dream and kind of has a new mission. And he volunteers to go with John, but that also made zero sense at all, given the fact that Locke is currently on crutches.
00:07:17
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Well, I mean, it made a little bit sense because he was like, you're John, you're very good at tracking, right? And he was like, yeah, I guess. Okay, come with me.
00:07:25
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We knew from the get-go they were not going to chase Henry's trail. Right. We knew that from the start. The two of them, i love their dynamic. I love, you know, the two of their characters. We know that. Yep.
00:07:42
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And I really like how much Locke was, was I don't want to say hesitant, but almost stubborn to not show Echo ah question mark or even talk about it.
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And Echo isn't going to take no for an answer. So he knocks Locke out. And when Locke wakes up, he's like, well, what happened? Why'd you knock me out? And Echo goes, you were being difficult.
00:08:07
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I love that. and And I love how straightforward Echo is. Because Locke says something like, are you insane? And and Echo just goes, no. And then he keeps going on.
00:08:19
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like and and Locke says, like you don't even know what the question mark is about. And Echo's response is, but you do. And you know what I'm talking about.
00:08:33
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Anna Lucia wants us here together. he said this in my dream and he's like, your dream. Oh, wow. Great. And then he says, haven't you ever followed a dream?
00:08:45
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I love the echo and lock dialogue throughout this entire episode. yeah It was fantastic. And it was very reminiscent on um
00:09:00
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the lock and boon episode, which I also believe was episode 21.
00:09:05
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if I'm not mistaken, that might, like, Deuce Ex Machina, believe, was episode 21, and episode 21 now is question mark. I saw a lot of parallels between that, you know, episode and this one.
00:09:18
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Yeah, for sure.
00:09:21
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So, I loved the the whole bit this episode. I didn't love the flashbacks just because I feel like we've had way better flashback sequences.
00:09:35
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And this one gave us very little comparatively.
00:09:42
Speaker
Interesting. I was all in on the flashbacks. thought they were amazing. Oh, I know you were. Yeah. Because your boy comes back from the Claire-centric episode.
00:09:55
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Yes, he does. Lots of fun speculation around that, too. Yeah.
Echo's Flashbacks and Spiritual Journey
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Yeah.
00:10:03
Speaker
Well, let's talk about the flashbacks. So in this episode, we primarily revolve around Sydney, where we find out Echo has been stationed and he's getting ready to leave. And his other priest, probably the person he's reporting to is like, hold on, we actually have something else that has happened.
00:10:22
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And we need you to investigate for the church. And so this girl, Charlotte Malkin, was seemingly dead and returned to life while she was on whatever table they put people on after they're dead. Pronounced them dead. Autopsy table. is Autopsy. Yeah.
00:10:40
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And she came back to life as they were like trying to cut into her. And I don't know all of what goes into all that. But yeah, I guess they cut into them at some point. Yeah. And you can hear her screaming on the recording that the guy plays for Echo, which was super creepy.
00:10:57
Speaker
Yeah, very disturbing. Yeah. And we find out that it's Richard Malkin's daughter, and this is the same Richard Malkin who was Claire's psychic.
00:11:08
Speaker
Yeah. Pretty wild. Very, very, very wild.
00:11:15
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So... At this point, Echo meets up with Charlotte's mother, who's insisting that her daughter died and came back to life. And Echo is, you know, he's like, okay, I will, I'll i'll interview her.
00:11:30
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He goes over to interview her Richard Malkin refuses and turns him down. he says, no miracle happened in this, you know, is my daughter didn't drown, but her body shut down from hypothermia.
00:11:44
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She only appeared to die.
00:11:50
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Exactly. And Malkin admits to Echo that he makes his living as a psychic, but he actually gathers intelligence on people. That's what he says he's good at, confessing that he's a fraud.
00:12:03
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So it's this great exploration of faith versus skepticism here. Yeah, I mean, here's two things for you. The first first thing being, even though the psychic admits he is a fraud...
00:12:18
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Charlotte tells a different story when she sees Echo, you know, at the airport. And she, you know, describes being between places and having a message from Yemi, which we'll get back to in a second. But the other thing I want to mention is that means everything that he said about Claire and the baby was false.
00:12:40
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Maybe.
00:12:42
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What do you mean, maybe? He's a fake... He's a fake... He's a fraud. You could look at it from two angles, though. Okay, go. All right, i'm I'm curious. Hit me.
00:12:54
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he He could be telling Echo that he's a fraud, and that could be the truth. Or, because he's in denial about what happened with Charlotte, he's telling that to Echo, but that's not actually true.
00:13:06
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And he is a psychic.
00:13:10
Speaker
Interesting. So you believe he's still a psychic? I believe... i don't know if you know I mean, he's probably somewhat of a fraud, but I believe whatever he saw with Claire was real.
00:13:23
Speaker
Interesting. Because why else, right? Why else would he have told her that she had to go and get on that plane? And he actually bought her the plane tickets.
00:13:36
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Okay, I guess...
00:13:39
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Okay, you bring up a good point. Unless he had some alternative motive. Unless he accidentally bought the plane tickets. Yeah. I mean, playing devil's advocate here, against myself, maybe somebody else wanted Claire to end up on the island and paid him off and bought the tickets. So that's the other option, yeah right? but ah Okay, yeah, I see.
00:14:05
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i agree with both of those.
00:14:09
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Maybe it was Jack's dad, who I think is also Claire's dad. I like that. I like that theory. I like that theory a lot. Yeah.
00:14:20
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Okay. um But anyway, getting back to that flashback with Yemi and Charlotte described being between those, you know, between places and has that message from Yemi.
00:14:35
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Yeah, so that was that was crazy. Just when you think you have a rational explanation, Charlotte says, Yemi says you're a good priest and tells Echo he wants you to know that he will see you soon.
00:14:49
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And even though you don't have faith in yourself, he has faith in you. So this really ties into Echo's on-island journey, this episode as well, as he is likely thinking back on this moment and ties it into when he when he's seeing Yemi on the island in whatever form it is, dream manifestation, whatever.
00:15:09
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Right? Yeah, I'm... I get confused here. I get very confused here. Because... How does she know that? How does she know about Yemi?
00:15:21
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Right? Like... Yeah. ah How is there a way that she knows about him?
00:15:28
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yeah Exactly. I mean, Yemi's dead at this point. Yemi's dead at this point. Yeah. And he says we will unite soon. Mm-hmm.
00:15:40
Speaker
I don't know how. I don't know how that's possible.
00:15:45
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I really don't know how it's possible. Yeah. I don't either. So... I'm really confused there, but...
00:15:57
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It makes me think that she did die, and in between places she did get a message from Yemi, and her mom was right.
00:16:07
Speaker
But I guess we won't know until the next Echo episode. Or maybe we won't. Maybe we just don't get to know. Yeah.
00:16:18
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But then again, feel like we got most of Echo's story. You know? which hopefully doesn't mean that he's going die off. Yeah, don't don't go down that path. Don't go down that way of thinking. Yeah, I'm really hoping. I'm really, really, really, really hoping
Contrasting Beliefs: Locke and Echo
00:16:40
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he doesn't. I'd be very... If Echo dies, I'm going to be so... I'm going be so ticked off.
00:16:47
Speaker
Me too. And I will say, just because a character's off-island story seems to be done, that doesn't mean that their on-island story's done, you know? That's true. That's true.
00:17:01
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And there's always there's always ways that the the writers can dig other nuggets out of the past or incorporate other things into things. so Right. You're right.
00:17:12
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Stay optimistic. Stay optimistic. Exactly.
00:17:17
Speaker
So Locke and Echo start their trek at night because that's when they have the conversation with Jack and everybody else about going after Henry. And they end up pretty quickly at the Beechcraft again. And Echo asks the lock about who found the plane originally. Was that you? And he's like, yeah, Boone is the reason that it fell.
00:17:40
Speaker
Boone was the sacrifice the island demanded. So he's still sticking to that whole story, even though he's kind of losing his faith a little bit. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, it really is.
00:17:54
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And then we have another really trippy dream scene, which originally we think is Echo's dream because it's Echo and Yemi in the dream. But we find out at the end, as Echo comes falling backwards off those vines, that it's actually John's dream as Yemi says, wake up, John.
00:18:12
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Yeah, I was not expecting that at all. And Locke was freaked out. We don't see him freaked out that often. was freaked out. You know, and this is where I see the parallels between Boone and, and Echo where Echo's climbing the vines, the same ones that Boone climbed up and, and John, you know, would go up, but he can't, he's got, his legs don't work.
00:18:36
Speaker
Right. Always. see it again. legs never work. like yeah The legs never work. and And, he's like, be careful, Echo, the same way that he was like, be careful, Boone, before Boone fell.
00:18:46
Speaker
So I was really worried. i thought Echo might've died in this episode, but, Echo climbs on up, and he turns around, because he sees nothing up there.
00:18:57
Speaker
He turns around and he sees a question mark cut into the ground from where the beach craft was, and they find that the ground has been salted, which leads us to a new hatch that we have called the Pearl.
00:19:13
Speaker
Yeah, and how much fun is it to discover these new hatches and get to watch orientation videos? It's like Christmas all over every single time. Mm-hmm.
00:19:25
Speaker
I mean, seriously, the the Pearl Station, it it blew my mind. The monitors, watching other hatches, and the the other orientation film with Dr. Marvin Candle, but now his name is Dr. Mark Wickman.
00:19:43
Speaker
So it's a different name. Mm-hmm. Different names, different stations, but definitely the same guy, so curious to what's going on there.
00:19:55
Speaker
And the revelation that the Pearl is for psychological experiments really flips everything upside down. And there's this pneumatic tube in there where they're supposed to place their notebooks. Locke obviously puts his little hand-drawn map in there and pushes the button and you see it sucked out.
00:20:13
Speaker
And this really, I think, is messing with Locke, who ends up breaking down to Echo, who is believing more and more that the work they are doing is more important than ever. um ah Because basically that button does nothing.
00:20:30
Speaker
That's what, i mean, that's what we're learning is that it's a psychological experiment. They're seeing how long they'll go and they'll just press that button. Yeah.
00:20:41
Speaker
It's useless. And it's crazy to think about Desmond who sat there for years and years and years and pushed that button. It's crazy. Mm-hmm.
00:20:54
Speaker
and And we see how it breaks Lockdown and he makes references to it being a joke and he's like, you know, they're rats in a maze and Echo says in a very Echo way, they do it because they are meant to.
00:21:12
Speaker
And John's response is very reflective of how he views himself as, you know, as he says, i wasn't meant to do anything. Every second of my pathetic life is as useless as that button.
00:21:27
Speaker
It's meaningless. And it's it's a crazy, you know, change as we see Locke going to this man of so much faith and believes in the island and,
Libby's Death and Emotional Repercussions
00:21:41
Speaker
you know, that to all switch just because he finds out this one button is meaningless.
00:21:47
Speaker
And Echo kind of fires back, and I'll let you talk more about that.
00:21:53
Speaker
Yeah, Echo tells him the story of Yemi and the plane taking off from Nigeria. And he says, i was on a plane that then crashed on this island. I took this cross from around his neck on this very island. So how can you say that this is meaningless?
00:22:08
Speaker
If you will not continue to push the button, John, I will. So very interesting. And I wonder where this dynamic will to go next between Locke and Echo. Yeah.
00:22:20
Speaker
I want to say, I think that's my favorite scene and or quote from these two sets of episodes. Yeah. I mean, it was it was so good.
00:22:31
Speaker
it was so good. And I really love Echo in these in in actually both of these episodes. Whenever we get Echo screen time, i've I'm never disappointed. So i really i really enjoyed that. And I like...
00:22:45
Speaker
They're almost... Yemi was right. Because Locke's done pushing the button. He's done with it. He thinks it's useless. So Echo's taking up the mantle.
00:22:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:58
Speaker
Yeah, good stuff between them this episode. And then the other piece that we need to touch on from this episode is the Libby stuff. Obviously, it's the hardest hitting, but we have to cover it.
00:23:11
Speaker
So we have the Sawyer Jack Kate stuff. where Jack needs the heroin to help with Libby's suffering, and Jack tells Sawyer that he wants Kate to go with him.
00:23:24
Speaker
Yeah, and Kate doesn't really understand at first, but Sawyer is on to Jack's little plan, and he says, Jack out here knows the heroin is in my stash with the guns.
00:23:35
Speaker
And Sawyer did the right thing, and he brought her there anyway. He went to go get it. Sadly, they run into Hurley and have the break the news to Hurley as he asks about Libby. And you really hate to see it for Hurley because it was really one of the first people on the island that gave him a chance.
00:23:56
Speaker
And, you know, just a few episodes ago, she saved his life. Now she's dead and we have that we have that dead end of she was also in the mental hospital.
00:24:08
Speaker
Yep. We don't know. We don't know anything about that now. Which and this is very, very, very bizarre to me now. I feel like in some way, shape, or form she'd have to come back alive.
00:24:21
Speaker
Yeah. Agreed. This whole thing was just so rough. part goes out for Hurley. And so Hurley goes back to the hatch with them and he's so sad and he confides in Michael and this scene was just crazy.
00:24:39
Speaker
He confides with Michael that they were going to have their first date and then he says, glad you're okay, man. And Michael doesn't even have words and I hope he felt like the biggest pile of human trash in that moment.
00:24:55
Speaker
I mean...
00:24:57
Speaker
At the end, Hurley asks if, you know, he can talk to Libby and come and sit with her. And it was extremely heartbreaking. And Libby briefly, you know, comes to life a little bit after getting the heroin and tries to warn them that it was Michael saying his name. And that's the only thing that he can say that she can say.
00:25:19
Speaker
And someone knows the truth. And they can't understand. They can't get it. And just like that, she's done. And Michael is standing in the armory with his very evil glare. and yeah Yeah, what a sad, sad episode.
00:25:44
Speaker
But the way we got to... that very ominous ending with the ominous music playing was also very powerful as Giacchino penned a variation of love. And i think it's called love and death might be life and death.
00:25:58
Speaker
Don't quote me on that from the season one soundtrack. And he just a gave us such an emotionally gut wrenching piece to hear as we're watching early more in the loss of Libby Sawyer's holding Kate and Jack has just doubled over the sink and combination of sorrow and frustration that he couldn't save her what an episode and I think that's actually a parallel to the fact that again he wasn't able to save Boone another parallel from this episode to the episode where Boone dies where you know we kind of get him fighting trying to save someone and he he just can't yeah
Michael's Motivations and Suspicion
00:26:41
Speaker
I mean, what an what an episode. Definitely one of my favorites that we've gotten this season. we got a little bit of answers with that map. We didn't have to wait as long as I thought we were going to have to. So I'm very, very, very happy because I thought I was going to have to wait a long time.
00:27:00
Speaker
But yeah relatively fast, we found out what that question mark in the middle was. We did. And yeah, great great call on your part with the parallels between Boone and Libby and Jack trying to save them both.
00:27:15
Speaker
yes
00:27:19
Speaker
Awesome. As we close out that episode, was there anything i missed? Any quotes, anything specific you wanted to touch on that we didn't talk about? um No, I don't think so.
00:27:33
Speaker
May have been a Sawyer quote in there somewhere, but not that I have off the top my head. Okay. there There usually is a forgotten Sawyer quote because there's so many.
00:27:45
Speaker
There are so many.
00:27:50
Speaker
Awesome. Well, let's jump into our next episode. So the next one is episode 22 of season two, which is called three minutes. And this one's a Michael centric episode and fills in what happened during those 13 days when Michael was missing.
00:28:05
Speaker
Nick, this episode was meant to make us feel so conflicted about Michael as both victim and villain.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah, it did its job. Yeah. It definitely did its job. I don't even know how to feel. i mean, this show really nailed it where you feel bad for him with what the others you know put him through, but you know we know everything he's done, and
00:28:34
Speaker
i feel like Michael walked right into it.
00:28:40
Speaker
For sure. I mean, you know how I feel. He's the worst. Yeah. Yeah. And because of that, i I didn't love this episode. I mean, I did enjoy the the current timeline stuff a little better than i enjoyed, honestly, the the filling in of details. Because I feel like feel like a lot of what we saw with him was just a retread of scenes that we had already watched just from a different perspective.
00:29:09
Speaker
if So, curious how you felt about this episode.
00:29:16
Speaker
I like parts of the flashbacks. I agree with you. Like, one of the flashbacks was him just in the jungle at the same time as Kate. And we got a little bit of Alex dialogue. And I appreciated that. And I liked that. But I mean, outside of that, it wasn't anything new story wise.
00:29:34
Speaker
I see it a little bit as sort of crappier version of a maternity type maternity leave type structure. where they're kind of just filling in gaps, like what they did with maternity leave, except, you know, it's where we're getting a lot of things that we've already seen. Like the scene where Michael gets initially kidnapped, like, okay, yeah, it's important to the story, but it didn't need to take up an entire flashback.
00:30:00
Speaker
But I do think the last flashback that we got was, or maybe the last two flashbacks, but especially the last one, was very worth it and made the episode worth it for me, at least. So I enjoyed it.
00:30:18
Speaker
Gotcha.
00:30:20
Speaker
And on Island in the current timeline, the episode starts with Michael burning a note outside the Swan Station, and you can see his hands shaking. And I know you said you didn't have time to pause the other thing. And I don't know if you're an obsessive nerd like I am, Nick, but if you pause the show on that, you can actually make out the names on the list by reading them backwards. Did you catch any of that? And that is exactly what I did.
00:30:45
Speaker
i did not get Sawyer because his name was James. James. But i did get, I initially thought there were eight names on the list because I wasn't seeing last names. Uh-huh.
00:30:59
Speaker
I saw Jack Shepard and was trying to read the Shepard and couldn't figure it out. It was the same thing with ah Ford. I kept reading Ford from James Ford and was like, who's, because I made out the F and I was like, who do we know whose name starts with an F on the island?
00:31:15
Speaker
was like, I can't think. of anybody But I did catch the Hugo, I did catch the Kate, and I did catch the Jack. But I did not catch the Sawyer because his name was James. If I would have caught the last names, I probably would have caught on, but I didn't catch that until we see the list later in the episode. so Yeah, and and Michael didn't know who that was either.
00:31:35
Speaker
No.
00:31:38
Speaker
I think John's one of the few at this point that knows that his name is James, John, and Hurley, probably. Yeah, i think he's the only one. Yeah.
00:31:51
Speaker
So we talked a little bit already about when they bagged Michael and then they end up taking him to their camp. And it's kind of interesting that the others have free roam of the island and the Dharma hatches, but where they're seemingly staying and and living is quite the primitive village with tents and not really glamorous living conditions.
00:32:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:32:18
Speaker
And while they're there, Michael meets Miss Kluge, who asks him all kinds of dad questions about his son that he isn't prepared to answer and doesn't know the answer to. But the question that stuck out to me, she asks him, did Walt ever appear somewhere that he wasn't supposed to be?
00:32:36
Speaker
And then she closes that out with saying, you know, for someone who wants his son back so badly, you don't seem to know much about him, Michael. Yeah, I would have been so mad if someone said that about my son. i would have been so ticked off.
00:32:49
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Right. But I agree, that one does stick out. i And I wonder what she's referring to. Yeah.
00:33:01
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Maybe you Walt being... Maybe, maybe I guess, ah the only thing that I can think of is Shannon seeing Walt. um And that being... a a kind of, you know, somewhere where he's not supposed to be. He appeared somewhere where he's not actually supposed to be, right?
00:33:20
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That's the only thing that can make sense to me. So, inevitably, they bait Michael into releasing not Henry Gale and bringing them the list of people by showing him Walt and telling him they will let both of them go if he brings only the four people.
00:33:38
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And if he doesn't bring the four people, he'll never see Walt again. So, so and And it makes sense why he did it. I just think he did make poor choices.
00:33:50
Speaker
But I do understand where he's coming from. And I think that scene where he gets to see you Walt and they have that that brief conversation, she says, like, do you want to be put back in the room?
00:34:04
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Mm-hmm. And so I'm already very curious as to what that could mean. And Walt goes as far as to interrupt and say, they're not who you think they are. These people, they're not who you think they are.
00:34:15
Speaker
Right. So, I mean, I also thought it was quite refreshing to see Walt after not seeing him at all for season two, except as his little cameo and when Shannon dies. But outside of that, we have not been seeing Walt.
00:34:30
Speaker
So nice to see him again.
00:34:33
Speaker
Yeah, and as a dad, i completely understand where where Michael is coming from, right? Like, he's been threatened that he'll never see his son again. but just the way that he went about everything and and got to that place.
00:34:51
Speaker
a I just, yeah, can't I can't on that side of things. It's insane. Right.
00:35:02
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And that was it for the flashbacks this episode. It was actually pretty condensed, comparatively speaking. Most of our storyline happened in the present. And in that present timeline, Michael is trying to convince everyone to mount a rescue mission.
00:35:15
Speaker
But his behavior is so erratic that Saeed starts getting suspicious. And again, Naveen Andrews does such a great job showing Saeed's growing distrust. Oh my goodness, it's amazing.
00:35:26
Speaker
it It actually is amazing. And I think I heard that he didn't really do much acting after this show, which is insane because I think he does such an amazing job.
00:35:36
Speaker
Yeah. ah He's fantastic. Michael is basically losing his mind every time someone questions the plan and like yelling things like, you know, it's my plan. i have to do this my way.
00:35:50
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from And the way that Michael keeps insisting it has to be those four people, it's extremely suspicious. Like, why not bring Saeed, like Sawyer said, someone who's actually been to war?
00:36:03
Speaker
Yep. and And he was very pushy towards Hurley. And it would make no sense to bring Hurley if they were going for valid reasons. It would make no sense to bring Hurley. Hurley has no experience in eddie any this. I would bring Charlie before I brought Hurley.
00:36:19
Speaker
You know, like right Echo, Locke. yeah Why aren't they bringing Locke? Why aren't they bringing, you know, Echo, right? Like, why aren't they bringing these stronger... um characters that they have and you know michael is very suspicious and he's kind of using libby to guilt trip hurley and kate kind of stuck up for him a little bit there yeah she did and and that was so rough to see also in this episode after libby's death and michael is just on hurley won't leave him alone and
00:36:53
Speaker
And a big chunk of our storyline on Island this episode was back and forth between the characters, between Michael and who's going, who's not going. And Saeed was asked by Sawyer. And then Michael comes and talks to Saeed. And he's like, look, man, it's got to be this way.
00:37:13
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It's my plan. We got to do this my way. And Saeed eventually agrees, and he's like, absolutely, Michael. And you can tell he's playing a game, but he just does such a great job there. And towards the end of the episode, Saeed tells Jack that he believes Michael is compromised. and Jack's like, what do you mean he's compromised?
00:37:35
Speaker
And Saeed just reels off this list of things. I believe Michael did this. I believe Michael may have freed Henry. And now I believe he's leading you into a trap. And Saeed wants to continue to let Michael believe that he's in control so that they can create an advantage.
00:37:52
Speaker
Saeed is incredibly smart. And this one scene alone earned him a spot in my top three. So I'm a really big fan. He's got great battle instincts.
00:38:04
Speaker
And, you know, we talked about the Sawyer quote where he, you know, going to war, wanting the guy who's actually been to war. So these final two episodes will be extremely interesting. And I don't know how I'm going to deal with the cliffhanger, especially the one that we got to
Character Dynamics and Future Conflicts
00:38:20
Speaker
the very, very end of this episode.
00:38:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:27
Speaker
And a few other storylines this episode to touch on back at the Swan Station. We see Echo taking over button duty from Locke. So that transition from Locke losing faith to Echo finding purpose was really well done. And Echo is fully taking up the mantle, right? He is smiling with pride after he enters the numbers and sees them click back to 108 minutes.
00:38:50
Speaker
But Locke this episode is is alone. He's just on the beach staring out into the ocean. Initially, he's got his cast on. Then he decides to cut his cast off, and he just takes off walking across the sand. So he's already healed, and it feels like it's been, what, like three days or less since this thing happened? Yeah.
00:39:10
Speaker
That's literally how long it took. Yeah. Like, seriously. Henry Gale. No, it's literally. ah It's probably been like.
00:39:21
Speaker
four or five, but still, that's insane that he's fully healed after four or five days. I love that Echo's taken over the mantle. I think he's gonna do great. i do, I am sad, though, about Locke. I am very sad.
00:39:35
Speaker
He's actually missing out on my top three this week. Yeah. Because I feel like he's just had too many flaws, and he's not really found his purpose. Does that make sense? Sure.
00:39:49
Speaker
All over, all over that button. so Yeah.
00:39:57
Speaker
We also had a few Charlie scenes this episode. First, he brings Claire and baby Aaron a vaccine container that he found. He's like, if anybody should have it, I figured you and the baby should have it.
00:40:10
Speaker
So obviously, Charlie's trying to earn back some brownie points. Mm-hmm.
00:40:16
Speaker
Then, after he finds out Echo is abandoning him and building the church to move into the hatch, he is attempting to finish the church himself when Vincent brings him a Virgin Mary statue he and then leads him back to Sawyer's stash.
00:40:32
Speaker
And Charlie, I think, took a big step, though, this episode, as he finds all of the Virgin Mary statues and he throws them out into the ocean.
00:40:42
Speaker
This actually made me so happy. I think it was amazing. Yeah. I liked Charlie's line where ah Vincent brings him the statue and he goes, who put you up to this?
00:40:57
Speaker
Right? You know, like like he's going to get an answer from the dog. Right. he did not enjoy, you know, Echo moving out of the hatch or moving into the hatch, sorry, which makes sense. Uh, you know, I do feel a little bad that Charlie's kind of getting left behind, but I am very happy that he found peace and he, you know, is moving away from all of that. And we see Locke right at the end, you know, kind of looking like, like very proud.
00:41:30
Speaker
um of Charlie after he does throw all of the statues away. so and thought it was a very big redemption moment after I've been so harsh on him since homecoming and his relapse and how upset I was and about the moth and all of that.
00:41:53
Speaker
But i this is redemption and I'm, I'm glad to see it. Yeah, absolutely.
00:42:02
Speaker
We also had some really fun Jack and Sawyer interactions this episode. you First on the beach, Sawyer asks Jack what happened to he and Kate out in the jungle, and Jack's like, we got caught in a net. Sawyer's like, is that what they're calling it these days?
00:42:19
Speaker
And then at the hatch, Sawyer says, never even knew Anna's last name, and Jack says, it was Cortez. And Sawyer tells Jack and... not quite as elegantly that he slept with her.
00:42:32
Speaker
And Jack's like, why are you telling me this Sawyer? And Sawyer replies, cause you're about the closest thing I have to a friend doc, man. Uh, I think it's, it's crazy that Sawyer has no one else and he's kind of just pushing people away. And,
00:42:52
Speaker
believes that Jack is the closest friend that he has, especially with the way that they bicker. i was really thinking about Kate here and, you know, like, why, where's Kate? Like, is Kate not your friend? And I don't know. I feel like he would consider Kate a friend too, but I guess not. is guess he's just really got Jack and they argue all the time, but yeah maybe that's what Sawyer, you know, sees. Yeah.
00:43:19
Speaker
Well, I think he still sees Kate as ah a friend, but more of a love interest, you know? Yeah. So naturally, he's not wanting to use terminology that he used to Jack about what he and Anna Lucia did.
00:43:34
Speaker
Correct.
00:43:38
Speaker
Speaking of Anna Lucia, as we close out our episode, we have the funerals for both she and Libby. Jack gives a short eulogy for Anna, and then Hurley stumbles through one for Libby. And it was so hard to watch this part. He talks about how Libby helped him, and it's not fair how this happened to her. Then he turns to Michael and says, I'm going with you.
00:44:03
Speaker
And this ending, Nick, as everyone is being somber, standing on the beach, Sun all of a sudden starts yelling, Boat!
00:44:12
Speaker
Uh, what?
00:44:16
Speaker
What? I was ready for a war between the others and the Losties for our finale. I was ready for it. And then they throw a wrench in our plans.
00:44:28
Speaker
awesome Random sailboat. From nowhere. So I don't know if this has anything to do with the others. I don't know if this is a random cell, but I have no idea what any of this means.
00:44:46
Speaker
Maybe we're getting some new characters, probably ones that will die. am erst or ars um
00:44:57
Speaker
yeah i don't even know. But
Loved and Hated Characters
00:45:00
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i'm I'll tell you what, I'm incredibly fascinated and I cannot wait. Yeah, what I mean, what an what an ending.
00:45:09
Speaker
Seriously. I love the way that they can like pull you into a peaceful, quiet moment like that and then just smack the crap out of you. Yep. Seriously. It's great.
00:45:24
Speaker
Awesome. Well, I am so excited about the two-part finale. I can't believe that next week we're there. Yeah.
00:45:33
Speaker
Any other closing remarks on three minutes? I don't think so. I think I covered most of it. i agree. Now thinking back on it three minutes is very...
00:45:48
Speaker
There's not a lot going on. it's i don't want to say it's a filler episode, but it kind of just catchs up a catches us up on things that we already knew. The only thing that I think was really new and beneficial that made this episode interesting to watch was just that one scene with Miss Klug.
00:46:08
Speaker
yeah I do want to mention the scene of ah Echo. i think Echo does know about Michael and how Michael did it. I think he does, especially that the talk that he has. He has a talk with Michael.
00:46:20
Speaker
Yes. We didn't talk about it. He explains a story of a boy who confesses to him that he killed his dog with a shovel. And then...
00:46:32
Speaker
He said, will I go to hell for that? And the boy said, like, oh i was protecting the dog bit my sister. I was protecting my sister. And Echo says, God will forgive you so long as you are sorry.
00:46:44
Speaker
The kid was like, I'm not worried about being sorry. I'm worried about the dog being in hell and what the dog is going to do to me once I get to hell. So, yeah, I think it was a very interesting parallel between Michael and what he had done.
00:46:58
Speaker
It was. And I wonder if Michael actually is sorry for what he has done, or if he's... whatever he's done is... Afraid to meet Anna Lucia in hell?
00:47:12
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Something like... yeah, exactly. Yeah. That was a very fascinating scene. Yeah. I do want to mention one thing, because I just forgot about it.
00:47:24
Speaker
We've seen a lot of Zeke, and we got to see a little bit more of Zeke this episode. But it seems like he wasn't in charge. He wasn't in charge.
00:47:36
Speaker
It was Miss Kluge. So maybe Miss Kluge has a higher, i don't want to say rank, but a higher presence with the others. Yeah.
00:47:48
Speaker
I'm curious to see. You know who I bet we'll see in the finale? Yeah. is Desmond, because we haven't seen Desmond. We have not seen Desmond at all, so I bet we will see him.
00:48:00
Speaker
I hope so. Let's have all Desmond and all Echo for the next seven episodes. I agree. I'm with you.
00:48:13
Speaker
Awesome. Well, let's get into some most loved, most hated here. So this is the portion of our show where we talk about who our most loved characters are, who's trending up and who our most hated characters are, or who's trending down.
00:48:26
Speaker
So, Nick, as always, kick us off. Uh, I do gotta say, I'm gonna go through my most loved really fast, because I think it's gonna be fast. My most loved for these two sets of episodes was Echo.
00:48:39
Speaker
think that's a no-brainer. I think Echo is fantastic. I think he skyrocketed. Agreed. Yep. And I would love to put him in my top three always, but unfortunately we just don't get enough screen time of him.
00:48:49
Speaker
An Echo episode means he's put in the top three no-brainer. I don't really have anything else to say except Echo is fantastic. And that scene where he talks to Locke about having his purpose and saying that it's not meaningless is, i think, one of the best ones we've gotten in season two yet.
00:49:07
Speaker
Yeah. So it was impactful. My number two is going to Hurley. Okay. Who I feel like just endured so much.
00:49:22
Speaker
He's got to be up there somewhere. He went through it. He really did. Yeah, absolutely. And I really hope we get to see how that kind of affects him. And we we get enough Hurley. And he's not like under the radar about this whole Libby thing. I hope we get enough of him.
00:49:41
Speaker
Similarly, how we um saw with Saeed. Yeah. Yeah. My three spot is going to Saeed because of his masterful genius in figuring out Michael.
00:49:58
Speaker
I really do. I always feel like i can always see more Saeed. That's my only problem is I i i want more. I always want more Saeed.
00:50:10
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Same thing with Echo. Yeah.
00:50:16
Speaker
Well, before you get into your most hated... Yeah, yeah. Those are actually my three top as well. Oh, wow. In that order? um i think I would probably flip Hurley and Saeed. I think Saeed would be second for I was thinking about that.
00:50:33
Speaker
I was thinking about that, but I went Hurley too. Yeah, I mean, totally agree that Echo is is number one and was amazing. i was I was debating who the third most love would be, but I feel like you're right. Hurley...
00:50:48
Speaker
just endured so much and he's such a he's such a wonderful human being, you know? Yeah. And i I liked Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Charlie in these episodes. Yeah.
00:51:01
Speaker
None of them would I, would I necessarily place above early given what he's been through. I'm with you.
00:51:12
Speaker
All right. Most hated.
00:51:15
Speaker
I struggle on finding my first most hated. Okay. You know what? I'm going to go Charlotte. Charlotte is my third or is my is my my least most hated.
00:51:27
Speaker
The daughter? Yeah, the daughter. i know that sounds crazy. what she Yeah, what'd she do to make you mad?
00:51:36
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like I just don't have and a clear answer as to how she knows Yemi and all that. And she creeped me out. I don't know. Something about her just really creeped me out.
00:51:50
Speaker
Okay. i don't i don't really I don't really got anything else. This might come as a shocker. My number two on the most hated is Michael. That is not a shocker. He is not my most hated. That's not a shocker?
00:52:03
Speaker
No. I think I have him there because while what he did was was wrong, 1,000%, 1 billion, trillion, 1,000%, I do see where he's coming from.
00:52:16
Speaker
And that's something that's very rare for me in a show where I can... kind of, usually if if a character does something bad, I will 1000%, you know, I don't care about anything else. I will stick to my guns and I will say, screw you.
00:52:33
Speaker
But I think in this case, I think it really was that scene where we saw Walt and Michael together for those three minutes. Yeah. it It, it, the acting is phenomenal.
00:52:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. it was, that's another really, really, really good scene for me throughout season two is just the two of them together and them like pulling Walt away again. And.
00:53:01
Speaker
Right. Him sobbing and Walt being like, oh, I love you. And, you know, like, Michael doing I love you too. Like, it's going to be okay. I'm going to get you out. Like, like that. And we go from, from how they kind of were at the beginning of season one, where, you know, Walt was like, i don't even know you. Like, you're not my real dad to, to this. And it's like, it's, it's like, it's emotional.
00:53:25
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. I do think my favorite relationship throughout Lost might be between Michael and Walt. And Michael's actor did an amazing job through throughout the entire episode.
00:53:40
Speaker
One, you know, that again, that whole scene. And also, i think there's something to be said about how good of a job the actor was doing at portraying Michael's bad lying.
00:53:57
Speaker
You know? Sure. like Like, when he was lying to everyone else about, like, you know, like, oh, like, is Libby okay? Or, you know, when when he was like, oh, it has to be us four. Like, it can't be anybody else.
00:54:11
Speaker
You can clearly tell something's up. And not just because we know something. like Like, we could tell something's up. And I think the actor does an amazing job of making Michael a bad liar.
00:54:24
Speaker
So... yeah Something has to be said there. My most hated for these sets of episodes is going to be going to Miss Kluge, who I think is the worst person to exist in the world.
00:54:37
Speaker
Asking all these questions and, you know, telling Michael, like, you have to do this. Like, save Henry Gale, or not Henry Gale, and, you know, bring these four people, and then you can have your son. And that's not what's going to happen. They're not going to give him his son.
00:54:55
Speaker
We know this. They're the others. So there's that. And then another thing I want to add, just for hoops and giggles, Henry Gale said, I was coming for you, John.
00:55:09
Speaker
You're not on... or you're not you're on the You were on the list. Or whatever. And it's interesting because now he's not on this new list of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley.
00:55:21
Speaker
So I wonder... what this list entails. Yeah. Of the four of them. So. Yeah, that's very, very interesting.
00:55:36
Speaker
Well, and you, and you have to wonder if Henry was telling the truth again, right? Yeah. yeah
00:55:45
Speaker
All right. Well, the most hated this time around was hard to find people to draw on. I felt like. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.
00:55:58
Speaker
I will probably shock you. I did not have Charlotte Malkin in my bottom three. It's not that surprising. Because I think that all it is is you have to believe that she was actually dead.
00:56:12
Speaker
Yeah. From my perspective. like That's how I'm choosing to view it. but Yeah. Who i but i might have in my bottom...
00:56:24
Speaker
actually Richard Malkin this episode. Oh, wow. Just because of the way that he treated the mom, kind of dismissed her, was like, get in the house. You get in the house.
00:56:38
Speaker
Yeah. And the same thing to Charlotte, you know, and also I feel like he was being dishonest to Echo. So I think I would probably have him in there.
00:56:49
Speaker
i think my second place this episode would be John Locke. Okay. Sorry to make you feel that burn. but no No, he actually was almost in my bottom three as well. so Yeah, just the way he, you know, again, because there wasn't a big pool of characters that I could put in the most hated and the way he was been moping around and and all of that. and And he didn't go to the funeral. He just kind of sat over by himself while it was going on.
00:57:18
Speaker
Yeah. so and then of course for me, Michael's number one. yeah but Despite the parental side of it, I just, I can't with Michael.
00:57:30
Speaker
I know. You're a Michael hater, and i'm I seem to be a Michael lover. You do, yeah. Michael is my Charlie. Yeah. that's that's That's what I'm noticing here. You clearly think that I like Charlie more than I do.
00:57:47
Speaker
i mean, i don't know. Seem to be a fan. The shoe fits where right? Yeah.
00:57:58
Speaker
Awesome. Well, that's a wrap for a deep dive into season two episodes, 21 and 22. And we are here, Nick. We've reached the two part finale of season two. What a season we've had. And i have a feeling we're in for a great couple of episodes.
00:58:15
Speaker
Yeah, this, I mean, it's flown by. I can't believe we're already going to the finale. Um, the season has taken me on and a ah roller coaster of emotions. And now that we're doing this two episode format, it feels like literally not that long ago, we were just starting season two.
00:58:31
Speaker
So I'm excited to have to wait a great chunk of time before watching season three and the cliffhanger that it's going to leave me on. Yeah. Right. I know we have to figure that out so that you don't hang there that long.
00:58:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:48
Speaker
And the finale is called Live Together, Die Alone. So obviously that was Jack's big speech from season one. If we can't find a way to live together, we're going to die alone. So these next two episodes are parts one and two of Live Together, Die Alone.
00:59:03
Speaker
So any guesses into which character or characters this might center around, Nick? i Okay, I've got two guesses. Okay.
00:59:17
Speaker
Guess number one is Jack. Okay. Because, you know, he was the one that said that. My second guess is they're going to do a similar thing that they did to the season one finale where it's all of them.
00:59:32
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, those are good guesses. um I'm actually going to do a similar thing that I did to you at the end of season one, and I'm not going to tell you, and we're just going to go into it blind.
00:59:47
Speaker
All right. I like it. Is that fair? It's fair. bear's Fair is fair. All right. Awesome. Well, thanks for joining us and listening.
00:59:59
Speaker
Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review. And until next time, look out for that bald guy limping through the sand. Until next time, don't get lost. oh