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Live Together Die Alone Parts 1 and 2 Recap
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Season 2 concludes with an unforgettable two-part finale. Desmond returns, secrets about the hatch are finally revealed, and the survivors’ world is turned upside down. As the button, the Others, and the island’s true nature collide, we unpack every twist, flashback, and emotional payoff. Our millennial uncle revisits the shockwaves this finale sent through the fandom, while Nick shares his raw first reactions. The hatch may be gone—but the mysteries are just beginning.
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Terrific.
Intro and Podcast Concept
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You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
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So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
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Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
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Hello,
Hosts' Perspectives on 'Lost'
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hello, and welcome back to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. We are a Lost rewatch and first timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS, one of your hosts and a proud millennial uncle rewatching Lost with this guy. And I'm this guy.
00:01:10
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also known as Nick, the nephew who just had his mind completely blown by what might be the most insane season finale I've ever watched.
00:01:23
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um Uncle Claire's Child, I mean, what did i what did I just witness? I've never gone through this many emotions in one season finale. That was insane. That was better than the first season finale.
00:01:42
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It really was, wasn't it? Mm-hmm. Yeah, what a way to end things. Wow. We finally
Season Finale Insights
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get some answers about Desmond. He's back.
00:01:53
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We get some answers about The Hatch and so much more. Yeah. but and I'm still processing everything. Really, I watched it earlier today. Electromagnetic, Anomaly, Desmond's story, the guys and from what seem to be either Russia or Alaska.
00:02:16
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i mean, so many questions. I'm so mad that I'm going to have to wait so long for season three.
00:02:27
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Yeah, I know that's going to be the hard part. Uh-huh. But agreed, this this
Listener Engagement and Feedback
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two-part finale is absolutely packed with things that sort of change everything we thought we knew about the island so far.
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Mm-hmm. As always, listeners, thank you for joining us on our journey here. We love hearing your feedback. Feel free to send us your comments and questions to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
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So without further ado, for one last time in season two, let's get lost. Let's do it.
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So tonight we are covering episodes 23 and 24, although it's really just one large finale episode titled Live Together, Die Alone, parts one and two.
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So this episode starts with the continuation of the random boat that showed up at the end of the three minutes episode. Jack Sawyer and Saeed swim out to the boat with their guns, which probably wasn't the smartest idea.
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But thankfully, we find out really quickly that it's Desmond inside the boat. And it's a Desmond-centric finale, which was awesome. And not just for the first part, but both parts of the finale gave us Desmond backstory, and I loved it so much. So
Character Highlights and Predictions
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what you think, Nick?
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Um... I know you're a really big Desmond fan, and I can confidently say after those two episodes, I am too. Yes. Spoiler alert, he's going to be in my top three.
00:04:06
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He's an awesome character, and I really hope we get more of him. Lost? I mean, if it wasn't already such a good show...
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this finale actually did such a great job of being a finale. Like, seriously. It answered some questions, and it gave us 40 different new ones, which we knew we knew that was going to happen.
00:04:37
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Right? Right. Like, we knew that was going to happen since day one.
00:04:45
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I have really no words. I think it's really interesting...
00:04:51
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Right after they find Desmond on the boat drinking, and Desmond's like, or Jack's like, it's you. and And Desmond in a Desmond fashion is like, oh, hey, brother.
00:05:02
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you know And and and all'll all Desmond-like. And later on the beach, Desmond is drinking again. and And Jack asks, why'd you come back? And Desmond says, you know,
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I sailed for two and a half weeks due west, and I should have been in Fiji in about a week. And, you know, he's you know he's he's saying, like, i didn't want to come back, basically. He says, this is it.
00:05:29
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This is the only place left. There's no outside world. or I'm kind of kind combining Charlie and Desmond. That's okay. Okay. We like it. We're stuck in a bloody snow globe.
00:05:40
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And, you know, kind of annoyed when Jack tells him, like, you know, we're still pushing your button. And it's just an insane start to an insane finale. I actually think part two of the finale picked up even more than part one.
00:05:53
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's it's one of those scenarios, again, where when we do episode rankings, I love both of these episodes. Yeah. kind of equally, but also number two is is just a shot higher, right?
00:06:10
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Yeah. So the other cool thing about these episodes is you had both off-island and on-island flashbacks for Desmond's story. So we'll do this one a little differently than we have for most of season two, and we'll kind of mix the flashbacks into what's happening in the order it's happening on-island and with different flashbacks.
Desmond and Penny's Backstory
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So we start with Desmond in a military prison and we see him getting dishonorably discharged. And the important thing I wanted to point out in this scene is first we see that Desmond has a copy of a Charles Dickens book called Our Mutual Friend, which he says will be the last thing he ever reads before he dies, which obviously sets up some important stuff later in the episode.
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Yeah. I mean, i didn't really understand that. I will probably talk about it more. I think there's a lot in this episode I probably i missed and you're going to like, oh, did you catch that? And going like, no, what?
00:07:09
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I want to specifically talk about the scene after that with my least favorite character from these two episodes. This old bald guy. um'm I'm going to call him Baldy for now. He's like John Locke if he was balder, sitting in a car outside of this prison.
00:07:26
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And We learn a lot about Desmond in this one scene, first of all. Second of all, love his longer, or sorry, his shorter hair. Really big fan of Desmond with shorter hair.
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We find out that he's been writing to someone one named Penny Wildmore, who Desmond very much loves. And the man, Baldy, says that, you know, she thinks he's forsaken her.
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And, you know, she's going to get married. Yep. And he's like, I'm going to give you box of money stay away from my daughter. And you're like, what?
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This is you know, the girl he you know, he, he likes his, or loves really his father. And he's, he never sent any of these letters to her. And he's now offering money to pay him off to stay away from her. yeah He is he's reserved himself a spot on the most hated list. I'll tell you that. Oh, absolutely.
00:08:27
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And back on island, a few things to touch on. Saeed brews up a plan to take Desmond's boat and then ends up recruiting Jyn to sail it. And so they've they've talked with Jack and Saeed's like, we're going to circle around the island and we're going to take him by surprise.
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And originally Jyn's like, nah, dude, not going. I can't leave Sun. But then Sun's like, hey, if I go with you, you won't be leaving me. So the three of them take off on the boat.
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And then our group of four, along with Michael, the four from the list, are debating again as they prepare to take off on their trek across the island, with Sawyer finally saying, all right, enough jibber-jabber, let's roll.
00:09:09
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And then ah very interesting scene also with Saeed and Desmond, where Desmond asks, off to see the hostiles, are you?
00:09:19
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Yeah, so first of all, I just want to say, Sun and Jin are the best couple. i I know I've said Rose and Bernard are the best couple, but Bernard gets on my nerves too often. yeah And even though I do say Sun, sometimes annoying.
00:09:34
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this was this was a This was a pro. I'm a really big Jin fan. yeah The more I see Jin, the more i'm like i vary I love He's not really a main character, the side character, if he had just a tiny bit more of a role, I think he genuinely has some of the funniest, like, bits of acting in this show.
00:09:57
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Like... Like, when Sun said she was coming, and Jin, like, gets in the boat, and Saeed kind of, like, looks at at Sun, and, like, sees her walking towards and looks at Jin, and Jin just, like, looks over at Saeed and just shrugs. And it's, like, it's something about the fact that we, like, he doesn't really talk, he doesn't speak English. Right.
00:10:18
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Right.
Character Development and Humor
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So every single like little thing, like almost like little mannerism that he does becomes hilarious. I don't know why. is it? Cause it's almost exaggerated. Right.
00:10:30
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I'm really a big fan of those two, especially, Jen. I also loved the Sawyer's, like, Sawyer's comments. I always do. and I think this episode was an episode where he is just, again, he's just one of the coolest characters. And I would argue that he is the coolest character in this show. Mm-hmm.
00:10:52
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You know, obviously, yeah i I love Echo, and I love John Locke. They have a ah very different kind of cool. They have, like, a I'm mysterious and faithful kind of cool, whereas Sawyer is just, like, cowboy, like...
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rough and gruff kind of cool. I don't really know how to just describe it. Desmond and and his comment about the hostiles. So I wonder, and obviously I think the hostiles are the others, but I wonder, has Desmond
Tensions over the Button
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met up with the others?
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And if so, you know, what does he know? Yeah, very interesting.
00:11:37
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Also on island, Locke shows up at the hatch and tells Echo, in about three minutes, you're going to let the clock count down to zero so that we aren't slaves anymore.
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And Echo, of course, is like, no, I'm not doing that, John. um pushing the button. So they they have a scuffle, and Echo ends up beating John with his scripture stick and leaving quite a mark on his face, which we'll see later.
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and And then he uses John's own trademark quote on him. Do not tell me what I can't do. And he kicks him out of the hatch and says, do not come back. Wild.
00:12:14
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Wild, and I love that Echo used that against John Locke. Yeah. So good. Back to the Desmond off-island stuff. Desmond has decided to prove his worth by sailing around the world in a race. And his whole reasoning is to get his honor back because Charles Widmore is the one sponsoring the race. And this is the first time we see the name of his...
00:12:41
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Well, wasn't his father-in-law because he was never married to Penny, but his could have been father-in-law. But the problem is he doesn't have a boat. But all that changes when fate leads him into a coffee shop where he meets Libby, of all people.
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What? Right?
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Libby. And the insane thing is, is she dies like two days before Desmond comes back. That's insane. That's just nuts. I was not seeing that connection of people coming along.
00:13:16
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Libby with Hurley, Libby with Desmond, Jack with Desmond, Jack's dad with Sawyer, Jack's dad with Anna Lucia, Echo with the plane, Claire's psychiatrist with Echo, or not psychiatrist, the fortune teller or whatever. yeah I don't know why I'm blanking on the actual name. There are so many connections in this show, and it's actually quite insane. It is. What I want to do at some point in this show is take a piece of paper, write out a name, or write down all the names, and just write arrows where they've met before the plane crashed and how they're all interconnected.
00:14:01
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Good idea. Right? It's insane how, like... like like how much we've seen these people like even yeah know like sawyer being in the same being arrested at the same time as boone is there looking for shannon like even stuff like that like just those little little little tiny details it's just it's wild what i will tell you actually just googled that while you were chatting and there are several diagrams online that other lost fans have done so you
00:14:34
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You even save yourself a little time and i can I can send you a link to one of these. um Yeah. Unless you just want to sit down and and do it. I mean, I think that might be kind of fun to sit down with a pen and paper and do Yeah.
00:14:46
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But I might be kind of a nerd for that. But I don't care. Not at all. No, not a nerd at all. And I think this one's actually only up through season two. So i'll I'll take a look and then see if this is suitable to send you.
00:15:04
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All right, sounds good. Anyway, going a little further with Libby, after a touching moment with Libby and Desmond, she decides to give him her boat.
00:15:15
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So that boat that we see Desmond, you know, sailing on is actually Libby's, technically. or if it's not Libby's, it's her husband who has passed away named David.
00:15:27
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Now, I don't think we've heard that name before. i don't think either. I don't think we've heard the name David before. No. And wanted him to have it, and we find out that the boat is named the Elizabeth after her.
00:15:38
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Which is really, really cool. It is. I'm still wondering, how did her husband die? How did she get in a mental institute? And how will we figure that out?
00:15:51
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Because she's dead, so we will never, ever, ever, ever get a Libby episode. Right. So i mentioned this back in season one a very long time ago.
00:16:06
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I think it goes after Boone died because Boone was the first character to technically die. I think Lost, maybe down the road, is possibly going to bring some people back to life.
00:16:18
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oh Then it can be stupid if they brought everybody back to life because then it would give it no value. Mm-hmm. But I think there's a possibility that some characters come back to life.
00:16:33
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Maybe not Boone. The only reason I say definitely not Boone at this point is just because Shannon is also dead. And I don't really see a point in reviving Boone if Shannon is also, you know, not going to be alive.
00:16:45
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We know Anna Lucia's story is done. We know that. Libby, there's kind of a possibility.
00:16:56
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Yeah, for sure. No, that's that's very interesting. and you never know. i may i mean Maybe it already has. like We still haven't determined what's going on with Christian Shepard. Is he alive? Yeah.
00:17:10
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So...
00:17:12
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And I just want to call out that musically speaking, the Libby scene is the first time we hear the Desmond score playing in the background on the show. And it's just a beautiful composition, which I hope we get a lot more of in the future.
00:17:28
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And then back on Island, Michael's group is in the jungle. And a couple of things here.
Mystical Elements and Theories
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Sawyer and Kate talk about the meaning of being caught in the net as Sawyer almost triggers a trap. And so they have that whole conversation.
00:17:41
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Sawyer's like, oh, when Jack said you guys got caught in the net, here's what I thought it meant. that was a fun little scene. And then Michael realizes his gun isn't loaded, which is the first time I think he starts realizing that his gig might be up.
00:17:55
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yeah And then we have to talk about the Hurley bird, Nick.
00:18:01
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So funny thing, we're sitting here and we're recording this live, you know, everything that you guys listening or, you know, you're hearing, I mean, I'm not, you know, we're not we're not really going back and editing too much.
00:18:16
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um I completely forgot about the bird until literally just now. That's how crazy this finale was. Yeah. is i I literally wholeheartedly, fully forgot about the bird.
00:18:29
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It definitely said Hurley's name. Let's talk about that. ah
00:18:35
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The only thing that I will say, i loved this finale. I loved it. Don't get me wrong. Now thinking about this bird, Why would you put a random bird in the finale and not go even a little bit deeper on that?
00:18:55
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What? It blows my mind. Like, it actually blows my mind. Because i feel like we've started to drift from the the mythical, you know, like I've like i've said before,
00:19:15
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like the the elemental part of the island, like the magic-y part. And so this this bird saying Hurley definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely gets my attention back on it. And then we get none of it for the rest of the episode. However, still loved it. I think we got a lot of answers and I'm very, very happy with what we did get.
00:19:36
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So 1000%. Also have to say love Sawyer's reply to Hurley after asking if it said his name. Yeah, it did. Right before it crapped gold. Yeah.
00:19:48
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Yeah, so good. No, I hear you. I mean, maybe they just introduced that as, you know, sort of a red herring, but maybe it's something more important for later. It's hard to say. like It's lost. Yeah, it's lost. It's not a red herring. It's something for later. Yeah.
00:20:07
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Everything's connected. Oh, yeah. No, for sure.
00:20:11
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And still on island, Charlie finds Locke crying outside the hatch. And that's where we see how badly Echo got him as he has the big mark on his eye, or around his eye, believe.
00:20:24
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And Charlie tells him about Desmond's return in the typical snarky way that he interacts with Locke, you know, due to their disagreements they've had in the past. And Locke approaches Desmond and says...
00:20:37
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what did one snowman say to the other snowman? And Desmond laughs and says, smells like carrots. And he also says, hello to you, box man, which was kind of funny.
00:20:49
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And they begin this really fun dialogue about the hatch and pushing the button. Locke plants his seed of doubt into Desmond, asking him, what if I told you it was all for nothing? Tells him about the other hatch, the pearl hatch and the psychological experiment.
00:21:03
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And Locke's confidence returns here as he tells Desmond, sober up and tomorrow we're going to find out what happens if that button doesn't get pushed.
00:21:13
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I got to say, this was a really cool moment for Locke. I mean, it's very polar opposite. We see him go from crying in the jungle, which, by the way, I love that we get to see that part of Locke. I love that we get to see him vulnerable. Yeah, Absolutely.
00:21:30
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especially like that's something we don't get to see with Jack as much. Who's kind of just see, I mean, like he, we have dark Jack and we have Jack when he's trying to save people, but we really don't see Jack at like that low point, which we're actually kind of used to seeing lock out, you know, at his best and at his worst. right So I really like that. And I think it was kind of redemption after that.
00:21:56
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And it was a really, really, really good dialogue. It was a really good scene. i love Desmond's response. You know, he's been there for three years hitting that button and it could be for nothing.
00:22:10
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And he's a part, you know, he's he's with, he's not with Penny and there's no, there's no way back. Right. And he thought he was just saving the world and and Locke tells him you're not.
00:22:21
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Exactly. And speaking of
Penny and Desmond's Relationship
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Penny, we meet her for the first time in a off-island flashback by seeing the same scene with Jack and Desmond where they met at the stadium while running the steps.
00:22:34
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And you can just tell that Penny still loves Des despite the fact that she's getting married.
00:22:41
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Um, yeah, and it's really hard because Desmond could stay with her and he might have had his chance like you know had a chance and he decides he's going to do this sailing and he, you know, he's going to leave and we know where that goes. Mm hmm.
00:23:01
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And then back on island on the boat, Saeed and crew are sailing around the island and they see a four-toed statue with just the leg and the foot. And Saeed says, I don't know what is more disquieting, the fact that the rest of the statue is missing or that it has four toes.
00:23:17
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So any thoughts on that, Nick?
00:23:21
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In season one, it was the hatch. That's what I feel like it became all about. Mm-hmm.
00:23:31
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In season two, it was the others. We got a lot of others information.
00:23:41
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I'm hoping season three focuses a lot more on that. Because i think getting into the island's past could be so unbelievably cool.
00:23:58
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Like, so unbelievably cool. And something that I'll always bring up is, you know, when talking about the island's past, um
00:24:12
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is the Adam and Eve characters that we first met in the caves. Yes. You know, those characters in the caves that, you know, we met with the backgammon pieces. Mm-hmm.
00:24:29
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I know it's been so long since we've heard about it. I don't think those are loose ends. I think they're going to tie that up, and i hope they do it sooner than later. Because I would... ah Here's what I don't want them to do.
00:24:44
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I don't want it to be like, we get to season six, and then we learn about it, and it's just like, oh yeah, they were the first two people on the island. right Right. I feel like that would be such a waste of that'd be such a waste of what could have been so cool.
00:25:01
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Yeah. So that's, that's my point of view. I really want them to further expand on that because literally that two second scene of the foot in the statue interests me so much. yeah I want to know if it it might have to do with the others. It might not have to do with the others. We have no idea.
00:25:21
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Yeah. It's, it's very cool. Trust the process. Lost will let you down. And still on island, we've got John and Desmond, and they trick Echo
Critical Tension and Revelations
00:25:34
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into wandering out to the hallway of the hatch while Desmond triggers the lockdown procedure, which brings the blast doors down.
00:25:42
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Desmond asks him if he's sure about it, and Locke says, more sure than I've ever been in my entire life, which immediately flashed us to an on-island flashback. where we see Desmond and how he ended up in the hatch with Kelvin, who, by the way, is the same American soldier from the Gulf War that taught Saeed how to torture.
00:26:01
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i caught that. I did catch that. Yeah, so that dynamic was was fascinating, and Kelvin was great, telling him all about the button, the protocol, and how they're saving the world, kind of in his best Eeyore impression. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:20
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i'm I'm very... I'm very, very, very... i Hold on. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, which I don't think I am.
00:26:30
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Hold on. Holding?
00:26:35
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get Clancy Brown? That's correct. Clancy Brown is the voice actor for Mr. Krabs from Spongebob. Okay. I didn't know that specifically, but he's been in so many awesome things.
00:26:49
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He's huge. He's been in like everything. I love his character. i actually really liked Kelvin like a lot. Like I really, really, really liked him. I loved Desmond watching the orientation film and kind of how he experienced it compared to Locke and Echo and Michael and Jack and all that kind of stuff and asking about the missing pieces and talking about Rosensky, which I want to know more about. i want I want to know so much more about him because I feel like if he was the guy before Kelvin, he might have been the first guy there.
00:27:24
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Right. I think it's interesting that Kelvin brings up the shot every nine days and how the quarantine concept kind of falls. So...
00:27:38
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so
00:27:41
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The quarantine thing confuses me now. Because I was thinking, like, maybe before the plane crashed, like, they did they did actually have to quarantine.
00:27:56
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But, I mean, we find out that's not true when, you know, Kelvin goes out there and takes off the suit, and he's fine. So what's the point of the vaccine? Yeah.
00:28:09
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It's not really a vaccine then. If the air is normal, then it's not really a vaccine. It does nothing. Right? Yeah. What is the vaccine? i feel like there's a lot of... The thing that I actually really like about Lost, and I'm going to kind of go on a little bit of a side rant here.
00:28:24
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We go in so many different directions yeah with this whole show. Like, it's actually insane. Going from like this security system thing that's possibly going to kill people...
00:28:38
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To, you know, like... To the others, to this weird foot statue, to the quarantine stuff, ah which is kind of connected to the others.
00:28:52
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You know, like, the fact that you can't get off the island, the electromagnetic things. Yeah. ah The different hatches. i Like, everything...
00:29:06
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about it. Like there's, this show does such a great job of connecting everything and asking so many questions and making the viewers ask so many questions. Yes. And slowly, slowly, slowly spoon feeding answers. I feel like every single time we get an answer, we get another two questions because they never give you the full answer. Right.
00:29:29
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They only give you part of it. And I think it's a phenomenal show. I think I'm very worried about the ending and if I'm going to be in the the boat where i want more answers or if I'm content.
00:29:47
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No, I hear you.
00:29:51
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i hope you're in the boat where you are like me and you find it to be an amazing ending to an amazing show. I hope so, too.
00:30:03
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But yeah, I also have, i have some, I have some thoughts on what the quarantine was about. Just for time purposes, I will save those for this episode, but i I'll share those with you offline.
00:30:17
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Okay, sounds good.
00:30:20
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We then transition to Echo and Charlie in present day, where Echo has recruited Charlie to help him find some dynamite, because if they don't, he tells Charlie that he believes in 90 minutes, everyone on the island is going to die.
00:30:34
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And of course, Charlie's in because he just wants somewhere to belong, right?
Moral Dilemmas and Confessions
00:30:38
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That's his whole thing.
00:30:41
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And we also get some fun conversation with a seamless transition to our next scene, Nick, as Sawyer asks, so these others, you think they're left over from the Dharma folks?
00:30:52
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And then he ends up saying, I think they're aliens. So that was a really fun scene before things get serious. And this is the part where there are others following them, and Kate and Sawyer start shooting and kill one of them.
00:31:06
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The other one starts to get away, and Kate's like, we gotta go get them before they tell the others. And the truth about Michael comes out. First of all, before I get into it, I want to say i agree with you, Sawyer.
00:31:19
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That's a great question. Are they leftovers from the Dharma folks? That's a great question, and that's a great theory. i love it. Get them on the podcast. Yeah, and what a way for the for the writers to throw that in through a character conversation, right?
00:31:34
Speaker
Yeah, seriously. Fantastic. All about it. You know, going back to you know what you just said, the scene was super good. With Michael, i really...
00:31:47
Speaker
Michael's in a hard spot in my heart. I'll talk about it later. First Jack says, you know, like, it doesn't matter what we do. They've already been warned. Why don't you tell him Michael? And Michael is like, you know, crapping his pants at this point. He, you know, leads to, know, you know, Michael confessing about the list and it's the only way for him to see Walt again.
00:32:09
Speaker
yep And Kate says, you let Henry go. which inevitably leads to Hurley asking, did you kill them?
00:32:21
Speaker
Anna Lucia and Libby. And Michael says, you know, like Libby was a mistake and I didn't have time to think. And Hurley says, yeah, but you would have even if you did.
00:32:39
Speaker
of And it's at this point where I believe Hurley had a gun. i could be wrong.
00:32:49
Speaker
I think he maybe turned down the gun the whole time. i think he might have turned down the gun. I think if he had the gun, I think he might have shot Michael. yeah I 1,000% thought Michael was dead. right Like 1,000,000%. And I thought... I'm actually kind of surprised.
00:33:07
Speaker
It's a finale. i was expecting someone to die. Mm-hmm. And no one no one did, or at least that's confirmed.
00:33:19
Speaker
Right. i have I have very high hopes that Echo and Locke are alive. And Desiree. Right. Yeah, I mean, those are like three of my favorite characters at this point. And I remember when I watched this for the first time, i was thinking, you better not be killing off any of those characters.
00:33:37
Speaker
I, ah the only one I'm worried about is Echo. That's the only one I'm worried about. I definitely, I know for a fact, John Locke is going to live. I know for a fact because they haven't told us how he lost his legs yet. Yeah.
00:33:50
Speaker
And I know that's going to be a huge part of his character. Right. So I know, i know Locke lives. Yeah. But to me, Echo's story feels so final.
00:34:00
Speaker
You know, like, he could die at any moment. Like, he has no, like, we learned his, but we learned all of his backstory. Or most of You know, like, priest, you know, and then he was going out to Australia for whatever reason, and then, you know, that's when his story ends. Right.
00:34:20
Speaker
No, I hear you. i don't So that's what makes me think Echo is kind of on the the death side. And also, if Echo does die, that only leaves one of the tailies left.
00:34:32
Speaker
That tailie being Bernard. Because Libby and Anna Lucia are dead. and you know That would kill off Echo. and I don't think they would kill off Bernard. so and But he's not really... He's he's like a sideside side, side, side character. We never, ever, ever see him. So...
00:34:49
Speaker
it wouldn't make sense to kill him off. Echo, it makes sense because he's a a kind of main character. I'd say like a side character, but you know what saying. I do. i So I hope he doesn't die. And i and honestly, i don't know what could happen with Desmond. He could go either way. He could be dead, he could be alive. I have no
Episode Rankings and Reflections
00:35:07
Speaker
idea. Considering he was in the bottom when he turned that key, that makes me think he's dead.
00:35:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:16
Speaker
Yeah, we'll find out how mad we're going to be at the writer's Come episode one of season three. Yeah, I only got wait three months. yeah
00:35:27
Speaker
But yeah, what a scene. And it ends with Jack telling Hurley that you can't go back early because the others will know. And he says, I'm sorry i didn't tell you, but you have to know that I wouldn't have brought you out here if I didn't have a plan.
00:35:39
Speaker
Jack always has a plan. And then we end the episode with Saeed's crew finding the place where the rock Michael described. And we fade to black with Lost hitting our screens.
00:35:52
Speaker
And what do you think, Nick? I think part one was both an excellent episode that also paved the way for an explosive part two and pun intended there. I like your pun. Thank you. like your pun.
00:36:04
Speaker
Thanks. Very, very good. Very good. It's got the next stamp of approval. Awesome.
00:36:11
Speaker
While I did love episode one, for me, it felt a little bit more like a segue into part two.
00:36:26
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, it felt more... episode Part one felt more like a ah segue into part two for me. um And I believe part two is...
00:36:38
Speaker
Possibly, i i liked part two of, ah you know, Live Together, die Alone better than all three of the Exodus episodes. Yeah. i like like like, it's slam dunk. i Part two has never made me feel that many emotions compared to, you know, like any of the other episodes. I could i would argue it might be a ah top three, maybe top five episode of all time.
00:37:04
Speaker
Oh, absolutely, and... I might give something away here and I don't mind, but it's probably in my top five to six episodes for the entire show.
00:37:18
Speaker
Oh, wow. I mean, again, it's good when we get to the end and we do our tier rankings and and all of that, like I have to like shuffle some things around again and look at it. But yeah, it's it's definitely my it's in my SS tier for sure.
00:37:32
Speaker
Yeah, I feel you.
00:37:35
Speaker
And it's it is weird how, so Exodus, when we originally saw the three-part Exodus finale, like that felt like the greatest you know finale you could ever have for season.
00:37:46
Speaker
Yeah, seriously. But when you look at that one, it's it's interesting because we talked about how part one and part three were amazing and part two was like, if I'm remembering correctly, was the one we didn't care as much about.
00:38:00
Speaker
And two two kind of felt like a segue into three for that one. So it's I think it's a similar concept. Yeah, that's where I'm at.
00:38:12
Speaker
All right, awesome. Well, let's just jump right into part two here as it kicks off with just as high energy as Echo and Charlie find the dynamite. bring it back to the hatch.
00:38:25
Speaker
Charlie tries to get Echo to think through a little bit of reason here so that they don't hurt Locke and Desmond or blow up the computer. even warns John through the blast doors that he's like, John, Echo's going to blow up in the blast door.
00:38:38
Speaker
And Locke and Desmond are talking internally there. And Desmond's like, we'll take an atom bomb, brother. And then we shift to an on-island flashback where Desmond is forcing the lockdown again by tripping the wires.
00:38:52
Speaker
And the reason he did it is so Kelvin can continue to work on the Blast Door map. And we finally find out, Nick, that Rudzinski is the one who started the Blast Door map.
00:39:03
Speaker
um Tell me more about him. Tell me more about Rudzinski. Tell me everything. I need to know everything. If he's starting that map, I need to know everything.
00:39:16
Speaker
And i i don't think we I don't think we'll get to know. like That's the only thing. is like Helvin is dead. So we're not going to get a chance. And I'm assuming he's the only one who knew Radzinski.
00:39:31
Speaker
So we're probably not going to get to know much more about the map. Unfortunately, I think the map is kind of done. Like, we you know, question mark. We found the question mark.
00:39:42
Speaker
You know, like, yeah at this point, I think we're kind of done-ski. But we haven't been everywhere on the map, so... That's true. We haven't been everywhere on the map, but I think the map no longer serves as big as a purpose. Right.
00:39:58
Speaker
Calvin was a member of the Dharma Initiative. That's insane. oh yes And it's our first, I guess, confirmed Dharma Initiative member outside of the guy from the orientation films. Right.
00:40:11
Speaker
And I guess Radzinski would also be Dharma as well if he was, you know, his partner. You know, Desmond... is asking Kelvin, like, let me go out, let me go out, let me go out.
00:40:23
Speaker
And Kelvin says, sorry, Des, but you got to stay in and that's in order. And actually a really cool scene that I really liked from from this, or a really cool part of the scene that I really liked is Desmond's like, let me go out there. I've i've been in war before. Like I'm a soldier.
00:40:38
Speaker
And Kelvin says... you got put into prison because you couldn't follow orders like you're no longer a part of your army and desmond's well why aren't you a part of your any uh your part at you're like your army anymore and calvin says because i made them follow my orders you know like and it was just like so like whoa yeah think that's that's heavy so yeah yeah that was a cool scene
00:41:07
Speaker
Back in the current time, Mr. Echo takes the belt off of an arguing Charlie who is arguing about whether or not anything will happen. And Echo throws it down the hall and it sticks to the wall where the electromagnetism is strongest.
00:41:22
Speaker
And then he lights the match trying to blow up the blast doors and he and Charlie get a bit blasted themselves. e So at this point, Nick, the people want to know which side of the fence you were on and when you were watching the episode.
Desmond's Key Decision
00:41:34
Speaker
Push the button or not push the button?
00:41:37
Speaker
At this exact moment, not push the button. Okay. I believed Locke until Desmond brought up the roles could be reversed and that the Pearl was the psychological experiment instead of everywhere else.
00:41:56
Speaker
Then I was like, wait a minute. whoa, they double, like, you know, like double agent, you know, whatever, double, double agent.
00:42:08
Speaker
I was, I was team. Don't push the button. Okay.
00:42:14
Speaker
Yeah. And our next scene is is really great. And it kind of goes ah in line with this thinking. We find out there's a fail safe underneath that main computer room where you can turn a key and blow the whole thing up.
00:42:26
Speaker
And Kelvin explains what the incident was. i don't know if you remember the very first video I think that we watched in the Swan talked about the incident. yes And so that that was really cool as he was explaining that to Desmond. And we find out that every time they push the button, it's discharging the electromagnetic energy before it gets too big.
00:42:47
Speaker
Desmond asked the question, well, why push the button if we can blow the whole thing up? And Kelvin asks, do you have the courage to take your finger out of the dam and blow the whole thing instead?
00:42:59
Speaker
I mean, that's heavy. it's It's a very heavy episode, and he asks him if he has the courage. And at the time, he says no, and we figure out at the end of the episode, Desmond has gained the courage.
00:43:14
Speaker
And it's honestly a little bit of character growth from Desmond. In my opinion, Penelope's, her dad says, you're a coward.
00:43:26
Speaker
Or maybe it's, um... Maybe it's Calvin that says that. Either way... I think the Charles did, too, yeah. think he ended the scene in the car by saying, because you're a coward.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah. ah Desmond proves them wrong with, you know, his act of bravery of turning the key and in blowing the dam. So... I think that whole setup with Kelvin was very important.
00:43:56
Speaker
And, you know, Desmond asks the same question that we ask. And when we first discover about the hatch, like season two, like episode three or something, oh or maybe no, even so no, no. Yeah. Like that, that early what's behind that giant wall. Like what's behind that concrete wall.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah. And that's what we want to know. Exactly.
00:44:25
Speaker
And before we get back to some really great Desmond and John scenes in the hatch, which were amazing this episode, okay couple of on-island things of note. First, Saeed finds the rock area where the others had Michael, and he finds it empty, including a fake hatch door, which leads to a rock, literally, you about two feet inside of this door.
00:44:51
Speaker
And then number two, Michael's group with the the four from the list, Jack and Hurley and all them, they find the canisters with the notebooks that the Pearl Station had been sending up, which was really interesting. And that, of course, happens right as they are being tranquilized by darts, bagged, and hauled off by the others.
00:45:10
Speaker
Okay, so let's let's go one by one here. Saeed finds the rock area with the others. I don't think that's a fake hatch door. I don't think that. I'm calling BS on that.
00:45:23
Speaker
okay I think that there's something behind those rocks. I don't think it's just fake. Because when we saw Michael enter the others camp, there were multiple people with guns guarding that door.
00:45:38
Speaker
There's no way they would be guarding that gof third door if there's not something of at least a little bit of significance behind there. Like, maybe, you know, like, Maybe they're they're hiding something in there.
00:45:51
Speaker
I think it's possible if the electromagnetic doohickey is behind that concrete, right? There might be another electromagnetic thingamabob behind those rocks. That's where my brain goes.
00:46:06
Speaker
Like, I don't think that's just fake. I highly doubt that. yeah Two, with the notebooks... so they they weren't So that's where we really find out it's it is a psychological experiment because they're not being sent to headquarters. They're just being sent to a random spot on the island.
00:46:23
Speaker
Yep. That's where we find out the Pearl is actually the psychological experiment, and they are useless. But I'm very, very, very curious to know what's in those notebooks. I want them to go through every single one of those notebooks. I know they're not going to. i really want them to.
00:46:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And they I feel like there was a couple of things that Kate read out of one of them. Yes, like someone takes a shower. yeah Someone walks into the kitchen. Like it was stuff like that.
00:46:53
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:46:57
Speaker
And now we get some of my favorite parts of this episode. First, we have Desmond and Locke conversing about why Locke is doing it. And there's some great lines there. And then Desmond asks him about the Pearl Station.
00:47:10
Speaker
John tells him about the experiments and the printable computer logs that he brought back with him. And Desmond asks John, to your point earlier, what if you got it backwards? What if they were the experiment?
00:47:21
Speaker
Then we flashback to the Desmond and Kelvin scene where Des sees that Kelvin's hazmat suit is ripped in the leg and he decides to sneak and follow Kelvin out of the hatch. That was so intense.
00:47:35
Speaker
And him finding out that Kelvin had been fixing Libby's boat and he's, you know, there is no contaminated air. And he wasn't going to tell him because he needed a, quote, sucker to push the button after he left, end quote.
00:47:48
Speaker
That betrayal broke Desmond, you know, the point where he ends up charging Kelvin and kills him on accident. and He doesn't get the answers that he wants to. He's like what else have you lied about?
00:48:00
Speaker
And yeah Desmond is so distraught, but he's like, right, got to run and go push the button. Yeah. He's sprinting back to try and do it because he's like, maybe that's not a lie.
00:48:16
Speaker
And it was wild when he got back to the hatch as the hieroglyphics are back up there and stuff is flying around the hatch. and The computer keeps displaying system failure, system failure.
00:48:28
Speaker
And then finally, Des gets the numbers entered and it stops. But in talking to Locke, the dates match the day that our Lost East crashed on
Major Twist and Realizations
00:48:37
Speaker
the island. So Des says, think I crashed your plane.
00:48:43
Speaker
No words. Right? no words at all.
00:48:51
Speaker
Like, that is actually such a big connection. Mm-hmm. To know how they actually landed and how they actually ended up there is insane. Like, that's insane that we now know that.
00:49:06
Speaker
a Huge mind blow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. It really is amazing. Absolutely.
00:49:17
Speaker
But like you said, mind completely blown. And even for me rewatching it like I'm still still struggling through and thinking through some things. And that's that's the great thing about this show.
00:49:30
Speaker
So good.
00:49:33
Speaker
And then back in the present, but over somewhere else on the island, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer are at a dock by the water. And we learn a few things here. First, Kate tells Zeke that she knows his beard is fake.
00:49:47
Speaker
And then Miss Kluge, who we find out is named B, says Zeke's real name. And we find out that it's Tom. He also takes off his fake beard. He's like, oh, thank you, because I was getting kind of uncomfortable or make some comment like that.
00:50:03
Speaker
And then we see a boat pull up and we see someone with their back to them. And sure enough, not Henry Gale is in it. And he comes down the dock and says to Jack, hello again. And then he turns to Michael and says, let's get down to business.
00:50:19
Speaker
So it seems to confirm that not Henry Gale is pretty high up the ladder in the others hierarchy. I'm going to go a step further. And I think he is the him that they're always talking So you think he was talking about himself?
00:50:35
Speaker
Yes. I really do. i think he was i think he was acting. Yeah. I think i think he was... i Unless there's a ah bigger him, which is possible.
00:50:50
Speaker
1,000% possible. There's a bigger head honcho. But I kind of believe it's Henry Gale right Have we heard the name Tom before? No, I believe that was the first time that that they named him.
00:51:05
Speaker
Okay. Tom and B, we got some character names. We did. Still don't know Not Henry Gale's name, though, which kind of sucks, but I'm okay with calling him Not Henry Gale. Stick around for season three. You'll you'll find out.
00:51:19
Speaker
Don't go anywhere. want to know now! yeah
00:51:25
Speaker
Back at the hatch, we then get a great scene where Desmond tells Locke they have to push the button because he crashed their plane and it's all real. And Locke really digs in here, Nick, and I'm not sure he made the right choice.
00:51:39
Speaker
Yeah, Locke's kind of on a descent here in season two, and I've had him at the top a few times in season two, but I think he's going to definitely be in my bottom three for these two episodes. i Ditto.
00:51:53
Speaker
I see where he's coming from, and I definitely did believe him, but I think his continuing the problem just does not help him, and i can't I can't keep putting him up there.
00:52:05
Speaker
He gets really angry with Desmond here, and and he says, I know what I saw, and he throws the computer on the ground, a smash and it. And Desmond goes, you've killed us all?
Consequences and Emotional Moments
00:52:17
Speaker
And John says, no, i just saved us all. And this is where Desmond pulls up the the blast doors and he goes running into the main room to try and do something.
00:52:30
Speaker
Yeah, crazy. And that leads us to Desmond's moment of realization when he finds his Dickens book, Our Mutual Friend, with Penny's letter inside. And this is another flashback, but at some point after accidentally killing Kelvin, he reached the point where he was ready to end it all is what we're to assume.
00:52:50
Speaker
And we find out that Locke actually saved him because as he sat in the hatch, reading Penny's letter, drinking, and just losing his mind, throwing stuff down off the shelf. And it was the night that John started banging on the hatch door at the top. And Desmond thought it was hope in the form of a replacement.
00:53:11
Speaker
Crazy. No words. The way that these events tie together, Locke thinking it was a sign from the island and Desmond thinking it was a sign of hope. yeah and it's And it's like, you know, both these things.
00:53:24
Speaker
And he might maybe get to see Penny again. and that letter from Penny was heartbreaking. You know, please don't give up Des because, you know, all we really need to survive is one person who loves loves you or loves us I will wait for you always.
00:53:44
Speaker
And like, you know, she means it, right? Like the love between them feels so unbelievably real. And I love it. They are. um i hope that Desmond sticks around and that he lives because I'm not ready for those two to be done.
00:54:02
Speaker
Absolutely. And I know that I know you're big on son and gin right now, but you know, this episode alone almost puts me to the place where I'm like Desmond and Penny are top couple. If, if they end up sticking around as characters.
00:54:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:21
Speaker
And I already mentioned earlier that, you know, that was the same thing I was thinking that Desmond better still be alive come season three. Cause I want, I want more Desmond story.
00:54:33
Speaker
totally with you and what a way to end the button debate as Desmond tells Locke you saved my life so I could save yours I'm sorry for whatever happened that made you stop believing but it's all real and then he ends with his trademark I'll see in another life brother And then we see the electromagnetic buildup as the timer counts down. And it's just incredible the way everything metal starts flying towards the hatch.
00:54:58
Speaker
Charlie's guitar locks wheelchair. The visual effects were pretty good for, you know, 2005, 2006 TV show. It was cool.
00:55:09
Speaker
It was scary. Echo, you know, who I thought was dead. I thought he was dead after that blast. 1000% was dead. Goes in yells, John, with like such a devastated look. and And John, who is just at the bottom of everything, says, I was wrong.
00:55:32
Speaker
Yeah. And Desmond, you know, turning that key and how heroic it was, his last words being, I love you, Penny, makes us really think that he's dead.
00:55:44
Speaker
ah He better not be, though. I'm going to be really ticked off if he is. Yeah, he better not be.
00:55:53
Speaker
And then, based on the way everyone on the island saw the bright lights and felt the electromagnetic energy, we got our final confirmation that the Swan was not the experiment. It was absolutely real.
00:56:08
Speaker
The others, with their hostages on the deck, felt it. All the losties on the beach felt it and saw it. And back to the others. Not Henry lives up to his word and gives Michael Walt back and a boat and says, if you follow a compass bearing of 325, you'll find your way.
00:56:29
Speaker
And Michael, firstly, it was kind of laughable that Michael's like, well what about my friends? You know, at that point, pretty laughable. But he also asks, who who are you people, man?
00:56:42
Speaker
And not Henry says, we're the good guys, Michael. And then he also, yeah. And then he also says, bon voyage, Michael. And the others release Hurley, who is then given a job and it's to tell the rest of their camp that they can never come there. And they tell him your friends are coming with us. And Jack kind of gives Hurley the nod. And I guess that's that they're going with the others. Yeah.
00:57:11
Speaker
But is it that... I don't know why they sent Hurley back, of all people. I think it's because they know he's not... I mean, he's not going to really do anything. One thing that was interesting is when they started like tranquilizing them, or I guess it was like electricity or whatever, they hit Sawyer first because they knew he was probably going to be the most aggressive.
00:57:31
Speaker
And then they hit Kate, and then they hit Jack. And Jack said, run. Kate and Jack ran. Hurley never ran. Hurley just covered his head. Like, I don't even think they, I don't even think they electrocuted him. I think he literally just covered his head.
00:57:48
Speaker
Yeah, that could be. So that that might be the reason they're letting him go. My question is, what do they want with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer?
00:57:59
Speaker
Like, that is the most, like, out of the three people you could choose, why are you choosing those three people? Yeah, the love triangle? Yeah, exactly.
00:58:10
Speaker
Just ask him for trouble. Good question. I don't have the answer to that. Or do i o My lips are still sealed.
00:58:23
Speaker
What I do know is Charlie got out of the hatch before it blew up and he got rewarded with a kiss from Claire for surviving. Yeah.
00:58:34
Speaker
I did find a little odd that no one on the beach is doing much to look for Locke, Desmond, or Echo. Now, to be fair, we didn't really get much time with them after the explosion. True.
00:58:46
Speaker
But it was it was kind of interesting that, you know, Charlie was just kind of like, oh, they're not back yet, and went on to romancing Claire. Yeah. i'm i'm ah I'm so mad.
00:58:57
Speaker
Why would you kiss him?
00:59:01
Speaker
He didn't do anything.
00:59:04
Speaker
Doesn't deserve it. The only thing he did that was audible was try save Echo's life, which I will give him props for. 1000% will give him props for it. Yeah. And to be fair, he also tried to talk Echo down and he tried to yeah talk John down and nobody listened to him. So I'll give him props for that.
00:59:25
Speaker
Let's talk about this final scene. Let's do it. Get to these two guys in an Arctic research station. speaking in a different language, they're playing chess and their computer starts beeping with electromagnetic anomaly detected.
00:59:41
Speaker
One of them, you know, like, you know, well, actually first they're like, Oh, is this another false alarm? Which means they probably had this same thing happen when the button almost went down before.
00:59:57
Speaker
When the plane crashed, right? Yeah. You know what this also means? Not Henry Gale lied about pushing the button. Yeah, that is true. But how did not Henry Gale get the blue lights to come up?
01:00:14
Speaker
Right. Is the question. So I'm still very curious about that. Anyway, they call, one of them call and says, I think we found it. And it's Penny.
01:00:26
Speaker
And back in the normal world, and it seems like she's looking for the island. And it's not who we thought. It's Penny that's been looking for Desmond for the past three years compared to anyone from Flight 815.
01:00:43
Speaker
Right.
01:00:45
Speaker
Yeah, very interesting. You know, the the survivors this whole time are thinking that Oceanic and family members would be searching for them. And maybe they are. Right. We just don't know it, but... Crazy. What a way to end the season. And I've told you this before, Nick, but I think Lost only gets bigger and better from here.
01:01:05
Speaker
I actually don't know how that's possible. I really don't know how it's possible. Prepare to understand. I'm ready. Yeah.
01:01:16
Speaker
And these episodes really sort of formalized the central themes of Lost. We had science versus faith, faith versus free will, and the idea that we're all connected. We had so many connections here.
01:01:29
Speaker
I mean, Desmond's actions causing the plane crash, bringing these people together. i don't want to say it was the island, because how would the island know that Desmond was going to walk off and not push the button?
01:01:47
Speaker
But it kind of feels fate, you know? It feels fate-like. Yeah, for sure. And we finally got some resolution at the end of the season on the big MacGuffin. We thought we were chasing all season by realizing that the hatch and the button were real and they were important.
01:02:09
Speaker
Now, obviously the world didn't end because we heard saving the world thrown around a lot. Yeah. But I am curious as to the broader implications of that strong of an energy force dissipating across the island.
01:02:24
Speaker
Yeah, i I don't know. I'm fascinated by the others and their motivations.
Island Mysteries and Theories
01:02:32
Speaker
Not Henry, Gale, keep saying they're the good guys, but I highly doubt it.
01:02:39
Speaker
When did they get there? Are they Dharma? You know, like, what's the whole thing with Rousseau? I want to know more about her research team. You know, like, so many mind games.
01:02:54
Speaker
And... I'm wondering, you know, like, four-toed statue, how old is the island? How old is the civilization?
01:03:05
Speaker
I wonder if the others worship the four-toed statue almost as some sort of god. And maybe that is deemed as him. You don't know what he will do to me. Maybe it's something like that.
01:03:16
Speaker
Yeah. It's a little bit of a theory for you. It's good one. I like that theory.
01:03:23
Speaker
Awesome. I think we covered everything for the episodes, right? any Anything we left out? Quotes? Thoughts? I really don't think so. I think we covered most of it.
01:03:36
Speaker
I think we got it all. Perfect. Well, let's jump into Most Loved and Most Hated, the portion of our podcast where we talk about who's trending up and who are we loving at the current moment and who is trending down and who are we hating.
01:03:51
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So kick us off. Okay, so I think I have my bottom three figured out. Okay. My bottom three being my most hated for this episode, these two sets of the episode, which might be a little bit of a shocker, but that will be Penny's dad. Mm-hmm.
01:04:10
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Hey, I hated him from the two seconds that he was on screen. Oh, yeah. Ruined Desmond's life. Actually ruined Desmond's life. Yeah. Yeah. So he's my most hated.
01:04:20
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My second most hated for this episode, I don't love it, but it's going to be John Locke. Okay. He's the reason that this is kind of all happening. I do have to say that. That's true.
01:04:32
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you know And he admitted he was wrong. So I'll give him props for that. And I and i understood... i and i and understand where he's coming from. Right. But does not change his fact that he did was incredibly wrong and put everyone on the island at risk.
01:04:45
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Agreed. My least hated out of the three will be um Michael. Yeah. I still think what he did was wrong. I still think that he's a traitor.
01:04:59
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However...
01:05:02
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You can't deny that it worked. You know, like he was a traitor, but it seems like if anyone's going to get off of this island, it's going to be Michael. And he, they you know, the others stuck to their word, you know, like they gave him the boat. They, you know, they they gave him a way out.
01:05:21
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Yeah. And he got with his son and, you know, hopefully he actually gets out. Now, part of me thinks that the other, a part of me thinks the others rigged the boat to explode or that they have some sort of tracking device on it. And, you know, Michael can't get off the island and, you know, they're kind of screwed over.
01:05:43
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Yeah. Also, how does not Henry Gale know that that's the way out? Unless they've gone out before, but he said, if you leave, you'll never be able to come back.
01:05:53
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So how do they know that that's the way to leave? if If you leave, you can't come back. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I see what you're saying. and And it ties into that whole question about why is the island so hard to find? Like, why has Penny been looking for for three years?
01:06:12
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Yeah, and can't seem to find it. So... And how does Desmond know it's it's only, you know, a few clicks off of Fiji? Right. How does Desmond know that? That's actually a really good question that I never asked.
01:06:26
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Probably because he knew with all his sailing knowledge. Yeah, and and he was probably using ah a compass as well, which that also is a callback to some conversations Saeed had in season one about how the compass doesn't read normally on the island.
01:06:43
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Yeah, because the electromagnetic forces. That's crazy. Alright, top three characters. Alright.
Character Lists and Finale Impact
01:06:53
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This one's a little harder for me. I have... ah i feel like we got a really good mix of everybody.
01:07:02
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Yeah. Let's do the obvious one. My number one for this episode is Desmond. Yeah. I think it kind of has to be with the amount of Desmond that we got. His scenes were amazing. His flashbacks were amazing. His character arc is amazing.
01:07:17
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of i'm a really big fan of Desmond. Is he my favorite? No. Not even close. I think I... But is he like... Probably in my top eight. Yeah, he's in my top eight, which is still pretty good.
01:07:31
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Yeah. My honorable mention, because I have an honorable mention that I thought of before I could think of two or three, because I don't think that they deserve two or three, is actually Kelvin.
01:07:42
Speaker
Okay, yeah. i I loved everything about Kelvin's character. love the amount of fact that and evidence that we got from his character. I really wish that Desmond didn't kill him so that we could have gotten maybe some more answers about Rydzinski and everything about the island from that perspective and more about the Dharma initiative.
01:08:09
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Mm-hmm. This two and three spots get really hard for me. Yeah, it's not easy. There's like a huge group of people that are close.
01:08:24
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My other honorable mention is going to go to Saeed. Okay. I mean, he was kind of standing on business this entire episode. Entire two episodes. Yeah. I'm taking the boat. I'm going to flank him.
01:08:37
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You know, finds that four-toed statue, which is probably insane when it comes to the actual lore and story of Lost. sure Not to mention, he charges the other's camp with just himself and a gun.
01:08:53
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ah He has got some freaking confidence to be able to do that. And I respect that. yeah I respect that.
01:09:05
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He had a whole plan and everything. he was playing it smart. And I respect that about Saeed.
01:09:14
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So he's my other honorable mention. I think my number three on my most loved has to go to Sawyer. Okay. ah Just because I think he was so unbelievably cool.
01:09:27
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Like, that's such a factor for me is, like, how cool he was. Right? Like, mm-hmm. I can't us express it enough.
01:09:41
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i think i think i I think I already said this, but he's just like, he's just cool. Like I see Sawyer and I'm like, that's a cool dude. like Like, that's a cool dude.
01:09:56
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So I'm really a big fan. Also, props for taking out another. Yeah.
01:10:05
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My number two has got to go to Jack. I usually don't have Jack that high up on my list, but I think he played his leader role really well.
01:10:17
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I think he... you know, Hurley at like, you know, wanted to go back and Jack giving that nod of approval. Jack's got something up his sleeve. Jack knows something. And you got respect that too.
01:10:31
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Also, you know, Jack kind of pressuring Michael and being like, tell them, tell them what we know, what I know is true. Right. You know, he's, he's making it work. I mean, Jack is dark Jack or, or not.
01:10:43
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Sometimes I don't like dark Jack. I liked the dark Jack that we got this episode. I thought it was great. Yeah, for sure. And also not to mention Jack's initiative with the run. And I love that him and Kate are running and and Kate gets hit in the in the leg with this taser and he has no hesitation to, you know, shoot a bunch of bushes where he thinks they're hiding. And he literally just, you know, slings Kate over his shoulders and starts running too. And he thought he could, you know, he thought he could do it and...
01:11:14
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You know, he just he just unfortunately couldn't. Yeah. So I got to give him props for trying. Absolutely. You know, that was a really cool scene.
01:11:24
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So I'm pretty close to you on a lot of things this episode. I'll start with my most hated. I would flip the way that you have it Michael would be still be my most hated. Number one. Okay.
01:11:38
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yeah And then I would slide Charles Widmore into the number two most hated. And then Locke would be in number three. that's That's how I would do that. And then most loved unequivocally, Desmond is number one this episode. Yep.
01:11:56
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has to me The difference for me, somebody that you left out, Mr. Echo is in my top three because he knew that he needed to be pushing the button and fighting that fight and he stood on his haunches.
01:12:10
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Obviously, it didn't it didn't end up working well. he got He got duped and tricked out of the hatch, but he's such a great character. yeah And then honorable mention for me, I've got i've got a couple of honorable mentions. that Both of them are probably actually going to surprise you.
01:12:28
Speaker
Okay. Penny is an honorable mention for me. I almost put her in my top three just because their love story is so amazing. Yeah. We just didn't get quite enough to where I could make that jump.
01:12:42
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Yeah. And then my other honorable mention, and you're not going to like this one, but Charlie's an honorable mention. Is it Charlie? Yeah. I actually was, I was thinking about putting him in my honorable mention as well.
01:12:53
Speaker
um I 100% agree with you. He had a lot of redemption points this episode. He did. Listen, if if he if he stays with it, he can get out of the gutter that he's in, because he's been in my bottom three for a long time.
01:13:09
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Yeah, he's made some strides the last couple of episodes, starting, I think, with three minutes. I hope he can get some some ground back, because I want to like Charlie. I really want to like Charlie.
01:13:21
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for sure. so And then my number three spot is really tough. I can almost go in like, I could go the the cop out and I could do a multi-character tie, but I'm not going to do that. I will pick one.
01:13:36
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But characters in consideration are here Jack, Sawyer, Saeed, potentially even Jin, even though he didn't have a huge role, but I mean, technically, Sun and Jyn saw this the four-toed statue first, didn't they?
01:13:56
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Yeah, they did. Yeah. And, you know, I'm with you. Like, I'm a big fan of Jyn. I think he's really cool. But I think I will go with... Man, it's tough. You almost had me talked into Saeed being in my list, just based on on his confidence and everything.
01:14:14
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But i do like I do think I have to go with Jack, because I think he just had a more instrumental part. 1000% agree. But yeah, such a great finale.
01:14:27
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Fantastic. Incredible way to end the season. Massive revelations about Desmond the Hatch, and major cliffhangers about the true nature of the other's plans. These episodes...
01:14:39
Speaker
I can confidently say, completely changed my understanding of the show. The idea that Desmond caused the plane crash is just an insane one to swallow. The Pearl had been the actual psychological experiment.
01:14:53
Speaker
There are people actively looking for the island in the outside world, and the island still can't be found. My mind is going insane.
01:15:07
Speaker
Yeah. And I think season three is going to take us in some very interesting directions. Sorry that you have to wait a little bit before we get into It's okay.
01:15:22
Speaker
I'll manage. Yeah, you'll manage. It'll be hard, but you'll manage. Thank you listeners for joining us on this journey. We appreciate each and every one of you. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review.
01:15:34
Speaker
Until next time, see you in another life, brother.
01:15:39
Speaker
Until next time, please, viewers at home, do not take sticks of dynamite and try and blow up in a blast or because you might possibly blow yourself up and also your, you know, British friend who is in a band.
01:15:55
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So we'll see you in season three.