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Pluribus - Episode 3
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Fire in the hole! Nick and Doug are back with more Pluribus episode 3 to share their thoughts on where the show may be headed and how maybe we're more like Carol than we'd care to admit
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Introduction and Spoiler Alert
00:00:17
Speaker
I'm Doug Davenport. I'm Nick Ewers. And we're These Guys Got Juice. We are us. Us are we. And we saw Pluribus. Episode 3. Perfect.
00:00:32
Speaker
Nailed it. Without a hitch. crushed it just just like the hive mind all in in unison is there like that's an efficient way to tell the to do the intro too i think that's how the hive would do it maximum efficiency yeah which gets brought up a lot in this episode uh and i guess yeah we'll just say at the top like spoilers for episode all of episode three like if you're not you haven't seen the episode and you're listening to this like what you just go watch it like don't what are doing and
00:01:04
Speaker
Yeah, it's great that you stumbled upon this episode of the podcast.
Is Reading the End First Sensible?
00:01:08
Speaker
You're like, huh, what's Pluribus? What's this all about? Let me go listen to the episode recap. Yeah.
00:01:15
Speaker
recap that yeah That's I know if a show is good. It's kind of like someone who turns to like, I like reading the, you've heard someone's like, I read the first and last pages of a book or something before I read it. Like, I don't, i feel like I've heard people who say they do that, which makes no sense. Like, just in case you die. So, you know how it ends. I had a teacher that told me a version of that same like speech. She said, I always eat my dessert first just in case I did die before dinner. I at least had dessert. Jesus.
00:01:51
Speaker
so yeah like That was my eighth grade teacher. Shout I don't know if I should say her name. She might not be alive anymore, but... set up Well, hopefully she had her dessert. Yeah, hopefully. You know, I'll never know. I should reach out to whoever she left to watch this earth with her name.
00:02:10
Speaker
Her family. Like, did you know she had dessert before she passed? Yeah. I'll become ah the Zosia. That's her name. I'll become the Zosia of ah their lives. I'm just always showing up, always bothering them. They're like, get away. Yeah. Who are you? Only I can warn her.
Awkward Celebrity Encounters
00:02:34
Speaker
Yeah. so So Zosia is still around, which I like because I like that actress. I feel like i I didn't look up what else she's been in. She just has a very familiar face or maybe that's just the power of.
00:02:46
Speaker
She looks like the character of this book that I read once. I just can't really place it. Was it one of Carol's books? You you but you're a fan of her books? I think so, yeah.
00:02:58
Speaker
I don't remember the name the name of the book series, but I'm a big fan. Yeah, have one of the Raban books. I just call them the Raban books, you know, like because that's that's what we're all reading for Raban. like Yeah, true. You see, you're a bigger fan than am.
00:03:14
Speaker
I'm just sort of Bond head. Like, I don't even give a shit about the setting or anything else going just like, give me Rabban. You show up to the book signing dressed as Rabban. You're one of those people. And you're like, here's here's how he actually should have been played. You did it wrong.
00:03:31
Speaker
I hope I'm never that. And I'm always self-conscious whenever i have ah the opportunity to meet. And we've had some opportunity, like when we met the people from ah what what what was that? Your monster. Your monster. Yeah. I'm like, I hope I don't I'm not I don't come off like a dickhead. Although I did accidentally tell the one guy, the male lead, that I got the number of seasons of his like Hulu show wrong. I was like, yeah, casual. There were like three seasons. And he's like, actually, there's a four. was like oh, fuck.
00:03:57
Speaker
At least you didn't go up to Melissa Barrera and you're like, I really like you in those smile movies. You were great in the smiles. Or I just pretend to not know that she was let go from Scream. I'm like, so what's coming up in the next screen? Do you know? I'm so into your character's arc. I can't wait see what happens to the Carpenter system. What are and Jenna Ortega going to be up to in this one?
00:04:23
Speaker
Fighting Ghostface, I assume. yeah seeing seeing Seeing Billy's ghosts more or something? Yeah. Oh, fuck, man. Don't even get me started on that.
00:04:38
Speaker
ah you What a weird franchise. Yeah. Yeah. I can't believe you said all that to her, though.
00:04:45
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. I'd never want to be that that kind of ah fan. So i I get Carol's frustration. You know, I can I've seen some people say that she's not like a likable protagonist. I'm like, she's just a regular person. I mean, yeah, she's like grumpy and misanthropic. But I don't know, maybe I am too sometimes. So maybe I i i relate to Mike, you know, humanity.
00:05:08
Speaker
Not that great. But also, if something like this happened, I would understandably be pretty upset.
Mental Health and Hive Mind Pressure
00:05:14
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, people suck a lot of the times, but that's better than the alternative.
00:05:19
Speaker
I described her to my girlfriend as curmudgeonly, kind of. But... I was listening to Vince Gilligan talk about her character on Happy, Sad, Confused. And I want to say it was him who said that she doesn't hate her fans in the moment where she seems like she does when she's meeting all of them.
00:05:42
Speaker
She hates herself a little bit. And that's where this like resentment is coming from. And we see a little bit of that at the top of this episode. and I was just... I was just about to say, because when she's, ah you know, at this at this resort ah with with with her girlfriend, she's asking about like the ranking, like like like, oh, it's a bestseller. And then she's like, yeah. So like where, though, in the, you know, in the top 20 is like closer to 11 20.
00:06:13
Speaker
Yeah, and I could relate to that on some type of level. I relate to, I'm fine. This episode, I really learned that I relate to Carol a lot.
00:06:25
Speaker
um A lot of her dynamic in the show kind of reminds me, not to like get too into the episode yet, but I deal with a lot of like depression and anxiety, and medication for that is something that's kind of been pushed on me in a lot of different circumstances in my life. And while I know there are benefits to it, I always get worried about certain aspects of it. How is it going to change me, this and that?
00:06:53
Speaker
and But I still like find myself not quite enjoying the person that I end up being a lot of the times. And I think like, oh, well, this like pill kind of helped me a little bit. And I am i kind of relating to Carol and her aversion to joining the hive mind because there is a I kind of see myself in like my dealings with... like depression and anxiety almost reflected back to me and carol and what she's going through especially in like this episode um i know i like said a lot sorry no no no don't pause i mean uh i i get what you're saying and then also i feel like it was the second episode where because this is this show has such an interesting dynamic where it's like
00:07:41
Speaker
she does not want this to be the status quo, but it's not outwardly antagonistic with the hive mind. There's even times when she lets her guard down, when she like is kind of asking them of like, do you have a salute?
00:07:55
Speaker
Like sometimes when she asks, how close are they to like figuring out how to, you know, ah yeah indoctrinate her that it she's scared and like wants to avoid that. But there's other times where it seems like where she's like, can you fix this? Like the way I feel, you know, like she doesn't want to be like the way she is.
00:08:11
Speaker
And like you get that that sense of self-loathing you. ah You referenced like when I feel like she does resent the fact that she cares so much about like these, you know, these are these her shitty non-serious books, but she still like wants them to be like bestseller. Like, I mean, she makes she has her girlfriend like put the book on the top shelf in the airport display, you know, like she wants she wants it.
00:08:36
Speaker
It's like not. if she could choose a better version of her career where she was respect, respected for quote, unquote, like a respectable you know piece of work. Yeah. She would prefer that, but she doesn't want what she has to be gone. Like she, want you know, like you want that esteem and prestige that comes with, even if it's not like the fandom or success you would have envisioned, it's like, still feels good.
00:09:01
Speaker
yeah She wants ah this, um, What's it called? Validation. Validation. And what's the main actress who plays Carol?
00:09:13
Speaker
Rhea Shehorn. So she was kind of talking about approval and her career and um kind of seeking validation throughout her career. And in the same breath was talking about how we You don't want to join the club that people are asking you to join. You don't want like you're kind of made by these fans in a way. And like they are the people that tell you you are good, that you are doing great things. But they're also going to be the first people that are telling you you're doing bad. You're doing the wrong thing. And you can't.
00:09:54
Speaker
really find yourself getting caught up too much in the validation and needing the approval and joining their club.
Impact of Ratings on Self-Perception
00:10:04
Speaker
Right, because like I feel like there yeah while it does feel good and can be rewarding in its own right, like ah having that acknowledgement, like if that's the sole thing driving you, I feel like that's just like not a conducive way to make art. like I love when you know like I have friends will say that they listen to an episode. Sometimes it's probably like, I recorded that episode months ago. You're just listening now? Yeah. but I love I love hearing that when like a friend's like, yeah, that was that was a great, great episode. But I, you know, ultimately want to do it. You know, not that I'm on the same same level of success as like an actress like that. But it's like i I understand that that feeling because it's like you want to do the thing for you. It it should be fulfilling before you get that that ah external validation of like if the other validations like like a supplemental. It's like a cherry on top.
00:10:57
Speaker
It's nice, but you should be doing it for you. and it's such a double-edged sword, and I totally agree with it You should do it for you. I had a moment earlier today that was like a little bit ah kind of crushing. So another my other podcast that I do, we...
00:11:17
Speaker
I looked at our Spotify ratings just to see what they were, and we had gotten another five-star rating. So was like, okay, cool. And then I looked at our Apple one, and we got a two-star rating with no review. And I was just like, okay, that's like pretty crushing. And i came after a moment where I'm like, okay, I'm doing...
00:11:37
Speaker
I'm covering a lot of things that I want to be covering, like podcast wise. And I just did kind of let this crush me a little bit. But I had to like reel it back in and be like, I'm doing this for myself first and foremost. And I promise we'll get back to Pluribus.
00:11:55
Speaker
But I feel like I do on a level relate to Carol. ah You know what I mean? No, I know what you mean. And I understand that feeling, like especially the the frustrating thing for me that if I saw the two star would be like, ah give me a review at least. Tell me what gave like you elizabeth the no contact.
00:12:13
Speaker
Like that's how I feel. i get insecure like when I... lose you know like this isn't even like a humble brag or anything but i've you know like over 7 000 followers on twitter and if i lose just one i want to know like why what where yeah why did you leave i what post that what post was it tell me what i said i get that completely and it's just like so Like, Carol being like, it's in the top 20. We're in the top 20. I totally relate to her figure. Why isn't number one? Why isn't it in the top five? Top 20 is a little too broad. That's not good enough. Why couldn't I ah score a little bit higher in this? Right. it
00:12:56
Speaker
It's such a relatable feeling in on all fronts, even like just at your job, if you want, if a position opens up and you apply for it, or if you even don't have a job and you're looking for one and you apply for a position and they're we're choosing to go with somebody else. It's like, well, why not me? What happened? Did the interview go wrong? Where? And you start like looking at yourself and what you did wrong. And it might not even have to do with you.
00:13:21
Speaker
It might just have to do with the other people who succeeded, you know? The other P and the other people might just know. So like, that's how I feel like the times when I get a job, because I know someone I'm like, I'm probably not even the most qualified for this job that someone else who like, probably like nailed their fucking interview. Didn't get it just because I'm like buddies with someone, you know, and it's like, I'm, ah I've definitely been on the other side of that. Cause like, that's just how that goes. And it's like, it's not fair, but it is the way it works. Yeah.
00:13:53
Speaker
Yeah. So, I mean, there's, again, a lot to
Pluribus Episode 3 Analysis
00:13:57
Speaker
grasp onto, right? ah Just like by episode three of the show, I think. I think the pacing of the show is interesting, too, because where we're getting this episode, like this feels more like the the first two episodes of of this didn't even really feel like traditional TV in terms of like the narrative structure. I mean, because this this ah is already like a skewing like...
00:14:20
Speaker
what this kind of story would even be. It's like doing its completely own thing. So then having an episode like this where things quote unquote slow down, like this is a very character centric episode and not that the other ones weren't, but there was like,
00:14:35
Speaker
more they were plottier in terms of like you know like we're setting up this world we're showing you the bounds of what this is and this is more like going inward so having this episode after like we had this like big globe trotting like we were in multiple countries and meeting all these new people in this one we're just like zooming back into carol here i think that's like such an interesting choice to then make it more introspective and like where it places in her art because i feel like another show might have had this episode before she leaves the country to meet like the other survivors or something like that. This would be like, like you have her in isolation and then she gets restless and like, okay, let me meet the other people. But it says something about her that her first instinct is no, I want to see do other English speakers.
00:15:21
Speaker
Let's she's trying, she's like trying the proactive thing, but now this is kind of like the depression sitting, setting in of like, fuck. All right. Well, I tried that. Now what? And now she's just sitting around watching Golden Girls. i assume it's the Golden Girls because it's Betty White. don't know what other Betty White shows there are.
00:15:38
Speaker
Yeah, she has a bunch of DVDs of ah Golden Girls and she's like taking sleeping pills ah and falling asleep to them. But ah Yeah, this episode only takes place at two locations, I think. Just Carol's house and a Sprouts. And I love all the shit that's happening at the Sprouts. I feel like Carol is ah ignoring a lot of stuff going on here. There's a lot of stuff I want to talk about as we dig into the meat of this episode. But I do really like how it is just getting to us getting to spend more time with Carol.
00:16:14
Speaker
i You know, I do like that it... took a moment to stop and like chill for a little bit. And we're ah honestly, it's about this episode feels like it's about Carol and her relationship to Helen and how she's grieving and,
00:16:33
Speaker
like Kind of how, you know, Carol is portrayed as this, such a miserable person on the surface. And ah to a degree that almost feels like ah just her normal, her sense of like, she's comfortable in this.
00:16:54
Speaker
I don't let like almost miserable state as like weird as that sounds. And Helen seems to be the only, yeah. Yeah, Helen seems to be the only person that really understands that.
00:17:07
Speaker
And um it just like this loss that Carol's dealing with not having the only person that like when they're at this um absolutely miserable looking ice location at the beginning of this episode where I'm like, I was talking to my girlfriend. I was like, don't you ever bring me to anything?
00:17:27
Speaker
I mean, I'd love to see the northern lights or whatever, but I don't need to be... Sleeping out of bed of ice? Yeah, I i kind of need to be at ground zero because right like that's the idea of like you're like closer to them than if you... I think recently there was like a map of like where in the country you could look up and see it. like I'm fine with that. like I don't need to be like...
00:17:49
Speaker
ah you know, right there. And then if I, if I'm in an Arctic situation, I just start thinking about the thing and I don't need to be in one of those scenarios. You know, and that's a good point. You'd never want to be in a thing like situation.
00:18:04
Speaker
What if a thing comes after you? You never know. And then I'm ice. I'm fucking, ah yeah, it at least give me some like niceties of society. If I'm going to be dealing with some thing shit.
00:18:15
Speaker
Hmm. But like in this moment, ah Carol seems like she's like miserable, even seems like a strong word, but she's complaining a lot. And it seems like a pretty appropriate situation to complain in. But when we jump to the end of the episode or near the end and she's listing off, like, what is it like? I know you'll probably compare it to this and that. And then she starts to list mention that situation she was in with Helen, like watching the Northern Lights or whatever.
00:18:46
Speaker
that's called and i was just like and there are multiple moments in this episode that made me pretty emotional but that one like is one that really stood out to me because i'm like yeah she did like deep down really love doing this thing that kind of pulled her out of her shell a little bit and that's what helen is for her and also the moment where she's like don't think you're not allowed to think about Helen or think about her thoughts those are only for me I like got choked up for a second I like have heard people say this episode is kind of slow and it's too early to call the show like a home run but I mean this episode like almost moved me to tears multiple times I'm like this show totally works for me
00:19:33
Speaker
Oh yeah. It's, it's still very emotional. Like I guess slow is in relative to, I mean, i guess that's just a testament to the show, like spoiling some people. Like I, I'm, I, I acknowledge the difference in the episodes is like an interesting, like choice. Like I, I'm totally fine with how this is playing out because,
00:19:54
Speaker
ah i I'm still in that exciting zone of like, I don't know exactly where this is going, but like I'm enjoying how we're getting there and how we're like following Carol's journey. And yet like, yeah, that moment's emotional. And I understand her frustration. But then there was also the part of me thinking realistically, I'm like, can they even forget someone like once they've been like assimilated into the thing? It's like, it's like, that don't think so. Yeah, and – but there's – you know, they always have an explanation of, like, where else that information would have come from because when she's like, how do you know what's in my fridge? She's like, oh, well, the maid, you know, recently had cleaned the place and that's how she – so even when they reference, like, that Arctic vacation, I'm like, oh, well, there was, like, a guide or someone else there. So, like –
00:20:43
Speaker
They would just have that, you know, like it's like you can't really how many moments do they have that were like actually private, like other than like, you know, like in the bedroom, I guess, you know, ah but like a lot of your life is there's there's people everywhere. So it's like, how how would you even separate those moments? Like they they're still going to reference stuff, even if they can comply with that request, which we'll get into like.
00:21:11
Speaker
their willingness to comply with stuff. But, uh, cause I think that that's a really interesting through line. Yeah. I think, I think that the this show really nails the emotional stuff. Like we had just, uh, I feel like you in the first episode said that you were,
00:21:26
Speaker
ah reminded of like some kind of like leftovers type vibe and emotionally like and how the characters process this kind of weird loss.
Hive Mind Mechanics and Speculations
00:21:35
Speaker
Like i I definitely felt that with her. And I've also just started rewatching leftovers recently. It was just on a whim that a friend was watching it. So I was like, um I'm going to rewatch it too. So win wink, wink, look out for something about that.
00:21:49
Speaker
I don't think there will ever be any leftovers talk on this feed. never and if there shall I be departed suddenly departed if that ever happens so that would be that's how likely that is yeah um What do you think?
00:22:09
Speaker
Because we talked about last time. I have new thoughts on like where you you were mentioning like, OK, they're catering to her every women trying to keep her happy. But what about everyone else? What's everyone else doing? Because we get all these like fascinating.
00:22:25
Speaker
like little things of like it through Carol's eyes, but they'll be like, oh yeah, all the things from sprouts are gone because we're conserving food. And then that just makes me think about globally. It raises the question of like, okay, so those are human bodies. They still need to eat, right? So like, are you just setting up some kind of central food distribution center to like regularly, like what are what are the demands? Like, and are you pushing those bodies to the absolute, like there's, you know,
00:22:52
Speaker
you can go a while without eating, you know? So it's like, are they like using those by like, they they talk about efficiency, but is efficiency in terms of what, like what's the efficiency going towards, like they're conserving energy and stuff.
00:23:05
Speaker
And I started thinking about, there's that throwaway line of when they find the signal ah in the very first episode, they're like, to get this from this far away, 600 miles,
00:23:16
Speaker
six hundred the whatever, light years it's like 600,000 maybe light years. It's coming from a long way away. They're like, this would be like a satellite the size of Africa or something, an antenna the size of Africa.
00:23:30
Speaker
So I just started thinking, are they building an antenna the size of Africa? Is that like one of their projects they're working on right now? Hmm. ah Yeah, that that's a good good theory. I was also thinking of like different directions that this show could go in and these people being efficient and so willing to comply.
00:23:52
Speaker
pardon of me So we're looking in space, and I think the show wants us to look in space. But part of me is wondering, are we going to get...
00:24:03
Speaker
more crazy uses of these people going on at some point in the show. And this might be kind of out there a little bit, but we have the grenade situation that happens in ah near the end of this episode. And then that's followed by a conversation with this.
00:24:24
Speaker
o I don't even know what the guy does for work, but it seems like he's a doctor now. ah Yeah, he's like a delivery guy. he has like a DHS you uniform on. so like ah But yeah, he's fulfilling the role of doctor, like telling her Zosha's condition and and stuff. But I like that actor. I feel like every... They're just nailing the casting across the board. But this guy's like... I i mean, we see it a little in Zosha, like her like little micro expressions of like responding to Carol's requests stuff. But this guy's reactions to...
00:24:58
Speaker
Like her asking, like, would you give me another grenade even after that? And like, oh, yeah. And then like you see like the strain and like like the thinking of like when she starts asking for more and more stuff, which is like, OK, an atomic bomb. Well, how about an atomic bomb? And he's like really hesitant to say he's like, OK, well, we would, you know, talk out the pros and cons. But ultimately, Yeah.
00:25:25
Speaker
What I like about that, too, is that's not just him thinking. That's billions of people behind that face and behind that thought. The actors play it really well.
00:25:38
Speaker
Like, I believe that there are. everyone on the planet the equating this. Thinking right now. Yeah. Yeah. I fully buy that. But then, yeah, she asks for an atom bomb or something, and they're like, we what would you use it for? And she's like, just to blow shit up, and he's like, we would give it to you. And then, so part of me was like thinking, okay, so these people could potentially...
00:26:04
Speaker
like in a way weaponize these hive mind people if they wanted to. And I'm like, what if we get, I know they're a hive mind, but they also really want to satisfy and convert these people. And I'm like, ah I mean, they could have a situation where they are, know,
00:26:22
Speaker
And actually, like, that rich dude with the airplane is building them into an army or something or does something drastically fucked up with these people and we have to deal with the consequences of that.
00:26:36
Speaker
um I could see the show going to a really dark place like that. I think that's totally on the table. There's even the line in the last episode where Zo showed like warns her before she has meets all these the English speakers of like, we can't protect you from each other, you know, like that they can control all these variables and calculate everything. But in terms of like actual human behavior, the remaining like human humans, they have no control over that.
00:27:06
Speaker
Yeah, like, what if that one dude with the plane actually does end up getting an atomic bomb or doing something pretty fucked up with it? Like, any extreme thing could happen with these people. Because they can't... It seems like they can't really say no. Like, it's just... You know, I... brought up the ai comparison before and i feel like vince has even you know like in interviews he said even though he's like adamantly very anti-ai which is cool but like he said like i came up with this show like way before that became a thing but i i just feel like even if not intentional like it's it's in there like see i just keep seeing more and more of it especially like in how
00:27:48
Speaker
the hive mind processes like these requests, like that almost feels like, like some kind of AI response of like talking about like, okay, well, let's weigh out the pros and cons of like, if you requested an atom bomb or even the way that ah when she's, you know, telling them that like that,
00:28:05
Speaker
Only I can remember Helen is is like there's I've seen, ah you know, like these people are propping up all these things that a I can do talk about. Like, yeah, we can recreate like things from your love dead one dead loved ones. Like if you want to have conversation with like a chat bot, that's like a dead person like that, like they're.
00:28:23
Speaker
stuff like that's either already available or they're working on it and that's like so gas like I think that shit's disgusting like that specifically of like using i already hate seeing dead actors resurrected in movies like so like the fact that there's like trying to like make a business out of like yeah you can talk to your your dead levels like fuck off like fuck that shit so but but that's all dead podcasters or dead movie reviewers and Like if we could get Ebert on the pod, but it's like yeah Ebert.
00:28:56
Speaker
And he tells us his latest thought on, i don't know, whatever. is Scream 7. ah Four stars. He just gives it four stars.
00:29:09
Speaker
That's weird. I didn't expect that. totally generic it just kind of shits out quotes from his other reviews it's like you're reviewing good burger right now on the scream episode hey good burger too i think i think they are actually working on that so that that's i wanted i do want to know ghost ebert's thoughts on good burger too No dime can just be left on the table. there What barrel can we scrape from?
00:29:38
Speaker
Who is going to see that in theaters? like Just re-release Good Burger. You'll probably make more money. Did Freaky Friday 2 even make money? i feel like it did, right? I don't think it really made that much money. Weapons, like, suplexed it, I think, at the box office. Good.
00:29:58
Speaker
that's I haven't seen Freaky Friday, but I assume Weapons is better. That's an original story. Freak Your Friday, I would say, is forgettable, judging by the fact that I don't remember any of it. And sometimes I forget that I saw the movie.
00:30:12
Speaker
I saw it with my girlfriend, and there was like one day where I was just looking through my rankings of this year, and I was like, oh, ah yeah, we saw Freak Your Friday. I was like, did you even like that? Yeah.
00:30:24
Speaker
I don't even think she remembered that it was made. don't think she remembered that Disney produced it. I don't think the people in it, like asked if you ask Jamie Lee Curtis, like you were in a Freaky Friday sequel that just came out. She'd like, that's not correct.
00:30:39
Speaker
yeah I put it pretty low in my ranking of the year. So it must have been bad. I remember the plot being incredibly hard to follow. It was like what people say about Tenet. That's how I felt about Freakier Friday.
00:30:54
Speaker
who Freak your Friday. Harder to follow the tenant. You're here, folks. Yeah, put that on the slipcover of your 4K release. When it's on the Criterion.
00:31:06
Speaker
ah Yeah. Criterion doesn't do slipcovers, Doug. I know. I'm making up bullshit. I did that to ah my girlfriend when i almost said her name i did this to my girlfriend when we were at the Criterion closet.
00:31:21
Speaker
She was like mentioned something about getting a steelbook, and I was like, Criterion wouldn't do steelbooks. but you What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. You on crack right now? Yeah.
00:31:34
Speaker
I was like, babe, don't let the other people hear that.
00:31:39
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It's going to start making fun of us in the line. Yeah. We're going to get kicked out.
00:31:45
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Criterion calls like security. Like, no they said something about steelbooks. them out of here. Yeah. ah Take us to the nearest Walmart. Yeah.
00:31:57
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um Pluribus. Pluribus where steel covers could conceivably. Yeah. What would your immediate request be of like just getting that out of the way? Like as as you exhaust those until you figure out other stuff, and you just request like whatever steel books and like hard to find shit that you need for your collection. Right. Like just fill that out.
00:32:22
Speaker
I would get, yeah, I would do that. That would be a good call. Actually, I don't think I would go that big if I had them at my disposal and I fully indulged. And honestly, I was trying to think about it. I think to an extent I would indulge.
00:32:37
Speaker
Um, I would be kind of worried about them figuring out how to turn me and then slipping that thing into my food. But right I would be having them make me I would be taking advantage of them on a food level. I think I would be like, well, because I thought about that all of my meals, butt almost like a HelloFresh type of service, except they cook it, too.
00:32:58
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that That sort of it made me think of of like well, because we already have services that can bring us these things. We don't even have to go shopping. But I also relate to Carol in the sense of like she asserts to them that she is very independent, but we can see in practice through this episode and others that.
00:33:15
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either Helen or a lot of other people like she's had a lot of help with stuff they have a maid like Helen knows a lot stuff she couldn't even remember where the spare key was when she was trying to get back in her house you know like but yeah like in your mind you're like I am very independent and I I do feel that way but if the world broke down in this way I'd be like oh yeah I do need other people doing stuff Like, you know, it's like I kind of, i you know, I rely on that. And it's also and once it's all ingrained already, you kind of can't take it away. Like that's another part of the the AI thing is like even if you're adamant, like I'm not going to use AI, it's kind of just already everywhere in a bunch of stuff like editing software and stuff I already use has everything.
00:34:03
Speaker
i mean, part of this is branding where it's like stuff that's been around for years. It's just like machine learning and not really like AI is now called ai But with that label, that stuff is in lots of different like programs I already use. So it's like you like being able to like just say like, oh, I'm just not going to you. Like, yes, like I i agree with people who are like, yeah we should avoid using as much as possible. But it's like he you want to like avoid it, avoid it. Like, yeah.
00:34:32
Speaker
You kind of just have to live off a grid like you're like somewhere because it's it's it's I mean, hopefully we'll reach the point where these companies are, you know, going to start losing money on that shit and they'll like ease it back. But it's already I see commercials on TV where it's like they haven't confirmed that as I'm like, this commercial is probably ai like it just looks does not look like a person made it.
00:34:54
Speaker
I don't remember the company it was, but I saw an ad that I was like, everything was animated. And I was like, this looks like AI. It doesn't look like a person animated this. And it was a pretty big company.
00:35:09
Speaker
I maybe saw the same... Was it like in some kind of insurance or like like maybe car insurance company or something like that? No, it was something I wish I could remember. It was a YouTube ad I was at work when it came up and...
00:35:25
Speaker
It was just like, I think there was like a forest, a big animated forest and the camera was like panning up and there was like an animated family at the top. And I was like, there is like the zoom or like they, they can only like all their camera movements kind of look the same at this point too. So like, I feel like that kind of gives it away, yeah,
00:35:44
Speaker
Yeah, even Coke is using it. Like they and they're not hiding it. They're like, yeah, our new our holiday thing, the the Coke thing, like we did AI with it. And it's like, yeah, they're like, we're investing in it. Might as well use it.
00:35:55
Speaker
I mean, that that that's the reason that it's everywhere is that all these they put so much money. They've been tricked into putting all this money into it. So they think they have to push it and use it. And I don't think that's going to pan out. Just like I don't think the hive mind is sustainable. I mean, like going to the theory of ah that, maybe they are just building another antenna.
00:36:15
Speaker
maybe the reason that that signal got sent is like we talked about the sustainability of like, these are still human bodies that will eventually wear out. And are they making new people in terms of like, they don't, they have a biological imperative to spread the virus, but normal,
00:36:33
Speaker
living things are biological imperative is to breed to like physically make more of themselves. So that's like kind of at odds with how life is actually sustained. So is the antenna or wherever sent the original signal kind of its way of like, okay, this civilization that it came from is kind of like waning out. We need to, you know, zap ourselves somewhere else.
00:36:55
Speaker
And then they're building one here on earth because they know that that's a limited, you know, whenever, i don't know, hundreds of years, you know, the people that are already been born die off.
00:37:07
Speaker
It's got to go somewhere. So you don't think the virus is being used. I'm not sure where I land on this, but I'm starting to not think there's an alien species race or something using this virus for malicious attempt.
00:37:23
Speaker
You think it's just spreading. It just got to Earth because it wanted to spread and it used its satellite to beam the virus here. And it's building a satellite just so it can spread to the next thing. And it's just a virus that spreads and it's nothing more than a virus.
00:37:40
Speaker
Well, i I don't know that it's like mutually exclusive that there can't be other goals, but they keep bringing up that biological imperative. So I'm like, yeah, that is maybe the thing driving like there the whatever intelligence or alien or whatever originated it.
00:37:57
Speaker
might not even be around anymore.
Alien Virus Theories
00:37:59
Speaker
Like, I don't even know that there's like anyone actively sending it, but it just is perpetuating itself at this point. Like, it's just like, that could be like a long, long dead civil, as you know, that many light years away.
00:38:11
Speaker
Like, and that might not even be the original civilization it was from. It might've just been someone else who picked it up and then sent it on its way. So it could just be like, you know, it's like chain mail, like how you get used to get those emails of like, Oh, you got to send this to 20 people or you'll die.
00:38:26
Speaker
It could have been the liberals creating it to make Trump look bad. Yeah, it's actually the woke mind virus. That's what they're that's what they're building the antenna to spread. I'm surprised i have not heard anyone say that before. The woke mind virus. That'll come by season two or three when it's really starting to reflect our political system, whether it's intended to or not.
00:38:52
Speaker
People start calling the show woke if they haven't already. I feel like they're already there's already people who do that for anything with like a woman starring it or some some non-white person starring in a thing without even seeing it. They'll just be like, what's this about? Is this woke?
00:39:08
Speaker
I had somebody tell me that one battle after another was too woke. And I was just like, that's not even a thought that crossed my mind while watching this movie. was that I mean, so far I was watching it and people were having a blast. Everybody was laughing.
00:39:24
Speaker
It was like watching a fucking like hit blockbuster in the theater. I saw this in Indiana and they were enjoying I mean, sure, was there, I think, maybe only all that one other black person in in the theater. And we acknowledged each other during certain jokes that that was going over the audience's head. But i I think everyone was still having a good time. And I don't think all those people voted.
00:39:46
Speaker
for Kamal if I'm the guest based on where I saw it if I had to bet money i don't think I don't think those all those people vote liberal but they still enjoyed the movie so yeah just the way that word gets tossed around and just for anything that has any ah slight like reflection and reality it's too woke too woke anything that is like ah it's crazy man but I don't know it'll happen with this show eventually people will call it too woke People might start calling us too woke. And to that, I'm like, yeah, fuck you. Woke's coming back, motherfuckers.
00:40:25
Speaker
Woke 2.0. Yeah. it's just It's such a frustrating word to hear when people use it unironically. Yeah, it's empty it it's empty it's an empty criticism. it It's like...
00:40:39
Speaker
and find some i people have said predator badlands is woke because a female helps the male's journey and i'm like have you ever heard or read any other story ever like mythology or anything like like it's like like a basic uh narrative trope of like have you not seen shrek
00:41:02
Speaker
It's been dated back to 2001, guys. Halo. When did Halo come out? It's been around since at least then. yeah exactly. Cortana and Elle Fanning, basically the same thing. Mm-hmm.
00:41:17
Speaker
That was before Hamilton. Wow. That's crazy to think of stuff existing before Hamilton. Yeah.
00:41:26
Speaker
I just assumed it was cave paintings and shit. Like stuff from museums. They're like, oh yeah, this is like before Hamilton. we didn't really have fire. and this is like some like rudimentary entertainment that people have. Like, huh, okay, interesting.
00:41:41
Speaker
and then And then stuff really started.
00:41:45
Speaker
we were all really dumb before then. Now we have shows like Pluribus. we're We're smart. We understand it. We get it Yeah, if you tried releasing this before Hamilton, people would be like, huh? I need no one to understand.
00:42:02
Speaker
Part of me was wondering, does this show fall into a category of maybe not dumb sci-fi, but sci-fi that isn't, like, super smart, but just makes you feel smart?
00:42:16
Speaker
Like people accuse Christopher Nolan of making? Yeah, like like dumb guy's interpretation of ah of a smart thing. I feel like Vince Gilligan's stuff is very, on a whole, like there's layers to it and like very complex characters and scenarios, but I think he does want to make populous entertainment that anyone can and enjoy, but I don't think he's like dumbing hit his himself down. I think it's just like in the same vein as X-Files where it's like, yeah, that's a sci-fi show,
00:42:49
Speaker
but The main goal is to tell an entertaining story. So if we need to skew some kind of like, oh, whatever scientific logic here you need to futz with, like, that's fine. Like, this is like not just like with Breaking Bad, like people that's not sci fi show, but people would be like point fingers at certain like, oh, and that German guy at the shell company uses a defibrillator it wouldn't actually work like that doesn't let you defibulate shock your own heart unless it detects something whatever and i'm like shut up yeah i i had that moment once with breaking bad and spoilers for breaking bad if you somehow haven't seen that um but when gus walks out and his face is half blown up and he adjusts his tie was like that wouldn't happen don't think
00:43:36
Speaker
You probably wouldn't, but it looks fucking cool. Yeah. That was the only part of Breaking Bad where I was like, I don't think that's realistic.
00:43:48
Speaker
They should have had more stuff like that. Like Walt just starts flying randomly. Not not even like in a dream. He just has like powers. And then they never bring it up again. It's just like in one scene.
00:44:01
Speaker
or he like takes one of his crystal. Like he's in a pinch and he takes a crystal, puts it on a ring. And then like shoots a beam at somebody to get out of the situation. And then he just never does that again.
00:44:16
Speaker
but They could have done that a few times, too. like the Because there were scenarios while watching in real time. He explodes I don't know how... I was like, so he survived that? Everybody's okay?
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah, and I also feel like that was debunked of, like, it wouldn't... You could cause some reaction, like, in the air that would cause, like... some kind of friction or even maybe combustion, but it wouldn't be.
00:44:40
Speaker
It looks like the whole floor of that building got blown up. And then, but he's also, like you said, he's fine. Yeah. That's, that was the part of the, I didn't get that when I first watched brain, I was like, he's fine from that explosion.
00:44:56
Speaker
and That floor got leveled. That looked like that's just how like right below his feet. That's just how smart he is. He's just that's he's on another level. Yeah.
00:45:06
Speaker
yeah Bomb-proof clothes on. I mean, we see in this episode a grenade goes off outside, and what's-her-face has shrapnel. Yeah. like Like, yeah, I assume that's, like, shrapnel, and then the glass from the window exploded, which I love that beat of her so quickly realizing, because I feel like I...
00:45:28
Speaker
would also maybe for a second be like well they wouldn't give me a real grenade but then having if i was actually in this scenario i feel like i would be like no wait they would bring me a real good like i would i would have the initial thought of like they're not actually doing that but then once i thought about it for like more than a second i'd be like you know what these fucks they probably did give me a real one i wouldn't play with it like she did and just take the pin out Well, so, and I didn't catch if you said this already, but my forgiveness for that is she was drinking a lot and she took sleeping pills. Oh, yeah, yeah. She's, she's like, zonked out. Like, yeah, she's she's she's been taking a lot of shit. So, like, i yeah
00:46:10
Speaker
i I totally, but even if she wasn't like that heavily intoxicated, like just from an emotional standpoint and exhaustion from everything she's been through, i could see her doing something like that. So even then when you add substances to the mix, it's like, yeah, yeah, this makes sense.
00:46:26
Speaker
And i mean, i I would have believed that that was a grenade they handed to me, I think. Like, once they actually brought it and, like, oh, right, you guys, sarcasm's not a thing. Like, you are just under you're going to take out everything I say literally. So that's a literal grenade.
00:46:44
Speaker
Yeah, and they i mean they brought Air Force One. i would have been like, okay, grenade is nothing. I'll probably get like... Yeah, it's it's just wild that they're so willing to give it to her, though.
00:46:58
Speaker
But I wonder if there's more it than that. what what is with their I know they want to make them happy because they don't want to get distressed and have a bunch of them go offline and accidentally die.
00:47:13
Speaker
But why are they so invested in serving their every single need to that degree? Like, is it just they can't help it?
00:47:25
Speaker
Or is there a greater purpose in their overall purpose? Like, within their programming, what does this serve to their existence? Well, it could be a combination of both of or multiple things because it's like, yeah, they can't help it, but also keeping her happy and distracted and preventing her from, you know, ah causing them to go offline, that would disrupt their efficiency. They keep bringing up efficiency in this episode. So it's like that that that efficiency has to be going towards something. Like it's not just survival and trying to figure out how to convert her and the other
00:48:03
Speaker
people like that, like if it's not building an antenna, like there's something they're conserving all these resources and and power for. And so they don't want that disrupted. I feel like that that's like if that if that's like really their secret main goal or whatever else they're doing, they're like, OK, let's just, you know, we can spare the people and whatever to per happy because if we get brought offline even for a few minutes like that can fuck up our time to like it it almost makes me feel like whatever they're working towards is time sensitive which almost then means like maybe it's not the antenna because if the main thing is just to send out another signal so it can keep going like they have time before every human dies off like assuming like they don't put any effort into like physically like breeding like that they can
00:48:52
Speaker
They can still last like so some decade, you know, like they they got time for that. So it's like there must be something that and that they're worried that that they have like some timetable that they're trying to accomplish something by.
00:49:07
Speaker
I wonder if they need the signal to reach a certain place before they all die off. like um Because, I mean, it has to travel pretty far. i wonder if these Right, you have to wait for that, even if you have a powerful antenna. Like, yeah, like how long does that take to travel?
00:49:26
Speaker
So I wonder if they just have to make sure that they are able to stay alive within that span. I could be completely wrong. I'm I like how in the know not in the know I am about all of this. And like Because it could be anything. it's just It's just like a big question mark right now of like they could literally be up to whatever.
00:49:50
Speaker
And as we talk it out and as I say my theories out loud, ah something in the back of my mind is like it's not going to be that. It's going to be something else that I just can't even place right now.
00:50:01
Speaker
I feel like the show is just going to go in an unpredictable ah place. I mean, but one thing I am imagining seeing maybe in this season is some type of big commune or something or like military facility where they're all sleeping almost like head to toe in one big space.
00:50:26
Speaker
And some of them are and it's just like we really get to see the insanity behind how all of this is run And the lack of humanity behind it everyone vacated her neighborhood and it's like where did they go and if they're conserving food where is that food like where are they dist distribute distributing it from like so like imagine like a storm shelter type of situation a bunch of people on like cots and the mattresses have been converted into other re like there's living with the bare minimum I mean all these people are still in their work clothes I feel like there might be something to that like have they done something with their clothes in order to maximize every resource that they And maximize like water. Like they're not shower. Like you we see Zasha shower because she was like dirty and and came from some fucked up scenario before she was converted. So, you know, they cleaned her up before they sent her to Carol, but everyone else, but they don't need to like, unless they're specifically um trying to have them be presentable, probably don't need to shower every day, you know? Yeah.
00:51:37
Speaker
So, so they're conserving that. I feel like behind... Because, yeah, they're, like you said, making themselves more presentable to interact with these people. We're not seeing what our main character is not seeing.
00:51:52
Speaker
So it's like, I feel like we're going to get a reveal that, oh, these people, while they're happy, they're also living in like, slave labor conditions or something. It's work camps or something. like like because Yeah.
00:52:07
Speaker
And they're going to content with it, but it's going to be like awful living conditions and an awful type of thing just because their own needs don't matter. It's whatever goal they're trying to progress that matters. Just like working at an Amazon factory.
00:52:24
Speaker
boom. That's what it's all been about. Yeah. It's about that. This is about Apple. Vince Gilligan went inside to tear them down. It's about their awful practices and how they manufacture their products.
00:52:39
Speaker
Right. I mean, yeah I could see that being a part because, like, that's... We already have versions of that, like, through capitalism. It's, like, the way that we try... These companies want to maximize efficiency at the cost of humanity. Like, they don't care about that. They're doing... corporations will do the bare minimum to keep people like from quit. Well, but they also have the threat, especially as whatever the world gets worse and stuff is like, you're not going to quit. Like where else going work? So they know that they can make conditions shitty to a a certain degree. Cause it's like, what are you going to do about it?
00:53:15
Speaker
Yeah, there's so many different directions that the show can
Future Directions for Pluribus
00:53:20
Speaker
go. um Was there anything else in this episode that you wanted to talk about at all? Let's see, we talked about the grenade, the store, like where we where we think it's going.
00:53:33
Speaker
Oh, I just wanted to you know, I feel like I have to acknowledge on my, you were right about the pair the guy from Paraguay ah because I didn't, you when I first time I watched it, when we did that episode, I only watched it once. So I was like, oh, was that French speaking guy? Is that, pair look, I'm an American. I don't know where countries are or what languages are spoken in those countries. Usually until we like start bombing them or go to war with them. I don't know.
00:54:00
Speaker
I'm not paying attention to what's what's going on and other places. So then when when you tell me Paraguay, that's actually people speak Spanish. I'm like, that yeah, that makes sense. But I didn't put that together until this episode.
00:54:13
Speaker
Yeah, I felt kind of dumb on the line. I was like, wait, maybe they do speak French there. But then my girlfriend and I were watching the third episode and she was like, I think Paraguay is in South America, maybe Yeah, yeah, it is. So i'm i'm i'm just I'm just a stupid American, but I do like... ah Also, I'm not sure if... Because I... you ah No feds are listening. I technically didn't watch this on Apple. i have you know There's a family Apple account, but that's only a certain device. So I streamed this somewhere else. Did they have subtitles for the Paraguay guy when when he talked?
00:54:49
Speaker
It was just in Spanish. Oh, okay, because I translated what he said. like The subtitles didn't tell me, but I like looked up. because i i I mean, just been based on like what the little space. Did you use chat GBT for this, Doug? I used Google Translate, but at this point, Google is google deep and in AI shit. So like I said, you can't even like just like distance yourself from it.
00:55:15
Speaker
But the first thing he says, the first it because she calls twice, ah like that he says something like, don't mess with me anymore or to the degree of ah don't fuck with me. And then he says, like, kind of leave me alone, bitch, or leave me alone. Whores was the the the translation that Google Translate did. I was like, whoa, Google Translate, calm down. But it's interesting. That it did a collective thing. ah Because i I normally think of puta as, like, bitch or whatever. But yeah a bit bitch whore, whatever that makes sense. But, like, if if he was talking to a collective, like, leave me alone whores, that's interesting. Like, that he is in that rejecting the, you know, hive mind mentality to the state ah degree of, like, they call him, he thinks it's them, maybe, you know? Like, and... yeah
00:56:07
Speaker
that That's why he says that to her. But I like her reaction is that she just calls him back and says, fuck your mother. Yeah. yeah so I thought she was going to like try to reason with him. But I like that we got a little bit of this guy. He lives in a self-storage or he owns a self-storage facility.
00:56:26
Speaker
I don't know if I said this on Mike or if i it was just me talking about this show and my ah just life. But... I was thinking, like, what about people who could have had, like, a bomb shelter and or who might have been really well hidden?
00:56:43
Speaker
Like, where was this guy tucked away? And, well, he had a self-storage unit. He might have just been in one of the units or something, and it just took them ah a little while to find them. It took them a while to find him, and it seems like he's pretty self-sufficient, like, more so than Carol, that he...
00:56:58
Speaker
probably is not asking them for groceries and shit that he's like, lead no, I'm, I'm good. You know, i got my own thing going here. i like having this character in the mix. I hope we just get a whole episode that is just him. Yeah. English, just this guy and what he's been up to. I would be so satisfied. ah Even if him and Carol don't meet this season, I am really into, to this guy.
00:57:26
Speaker
Yeah, no, I like I just from that short interaction. i like that. But then the way she responds, I feel like he assumed that she was the hive mind initially. i feel like he would maybe have like a reaction to if hearing they call him back and someone says, fuck your mother, be like, well, hold on The hive mind wouldn't do that. Yeah. Like that he's like is maybe going to make it's like a spark of hope of like, oh, there's another person like me that's like, you know, like if you just so someone's getting pissed off in that way. It's like, oh, that's not them.
00:57:58
Speaker
Yeah, because if he's not communicating with them, they wouldn't have been able to tell him that there are others out there. He might just think it's him in an I am levit legend situation.
00:58:10
Speaker
which that would be his His standalone episode is just like, yeah, ah Paraguay, the I am legend, which sounds awesome. Yeah, the it's great. And then we still have a whole bunch of different characters that ah we can dive into. One of them is an eight-year-old. like how they're like, she's still undecided on her profession when they're asking if any of them are doctors or whatever.
00:58:35
Speaker
She could be the key the whole thing. We don't know. She could be. ah i There's just so much on the table. And even though, like... I don't know. Even if the next episode doesn't move as fast as episode one or two, I'm really happy with the pacing and just how everything is being given to us. And we're going to be in the show till like the beginning of January. So we still have a long way to go. i think the show's going to deliver. i
00:59:06
Speaker
God, I love the excitement of the show's going to be coming up. I get to watch the show on Thursday night or Friday. And, you know, I'm i'm pretty grateful for this experience that Pluribus is providing. Not since, like, Breaking Bad, I think, have I been this excited on a weekly basis. And I know that makes me sound like a weird Vince Gilligan stan, even though I didn't watch Better Call Saul past season two.
00:59:33
Speaker
i like... Oh, I would definitely, if you're enjoying Rhea Shuhorn in this, she does some phenomenal, like it's, it's like very rude that she never wanted anything for Better Call Saul. I love Kim Wexler, her character in that. So I think, I think it's definitely, oh, speaking Breaking Bad Connections, someone pointed out the, the plane that she's on is from Wayfair, which is the same airline that Walt inadvertently causes the crash of in season two in Breaking Bad. So like that's just an Easter egg, but you could do the math, even though they're using some same actors, be like, is this is the Breaking Bad universe. It's the same airline.
01:00:13
Speaker
It could very well be the Breaking Bad universe. I mean, it would really have no bearing on anything that's happening in this show. and ah Most shows could take place in this universe, as long as it's not like The Leftovers or The Walking Dead.
01:00:28
Speaker
Right. This is just the furthest in the future thing that has happened like after whatever show ends, then a pluribus scenario happens like you can just imagine that for any show after the wire ended, whatever some pluribus should happen like you don't know.
01:00:42
Speaker
Yeah, this could take place in the Toy Story universe for all we know. We don't know what those toys are up to. We haven't seen any on screen. That would be an interesting episode. we just It's like one of those mysterious Vince Gilligan cold opens. We're like, why are we following these toys?
01:00:58
Speaker
This could be a Dr. Doolittle sequel. They released the animals. Why? Could one of them talk to the animals? You know? We don't know. i am never enough actually interested in what do hall is it with with the is. I feel like there will be something with the animals, so I am interested to see what that is.
01:01:18
Speaker
And who's Dr. Doolittle? Is it going to be RDJ's or Eddie Murphy's? The definitive Dr. Doolittle, of course, Robert Downey Yeah, the most successful one.
01:01:30
Speaker
That's what I think Dr. Doolittle, like Robert Downey Jr. If you look at RDJ's box office numbers, not counting Dr. Doolittle, he's got good numbers. So he is the most successful Dr. Doolittle.
01:01:48
Speaker
and with you just put an asterisk near that, but yeah, technically. Yeah. Not because of Dr. Doolittle. Everything else. ah Yeah. Exactly. so That's funny.
01:01:59
Speaker
Hell yeah. give us Give him another crack at it. Maybe it was the script.
01:02:05
Speaker
Nothing. You got nothing. No, I was just thinking of like, it'd be funny if Robert Downey Jr. showed up. and then And then there was the the little bit of melancholy of like, oh, the next Robert Downey Jr. thing is Doomsday. Because I heard he skipped out on being in the new Shane Black movie.
01:02:21
Speaker
ah The one, the Amazon one just came out because he was doing Doomsday. And I'm like, I don't think that movie becomes perfect if you swap out Mark Wahlberg with Robert Downey Jr. But certainly is an upgrade. Mm hmm.
01:02:33
Speaker
I think he should follow up every Avengers movie with a Doolittle movie like he did Endgame. People talked about Doolittle. It was a part of the conversation. Like, this is his follow-up to Endgame?
01:02:46
Speaker
But if he did that for every Avengers movie, it might catch on. No, he needs to get back to his real franchise that matters. And I'm, of course, talking about Sherlock Holmes. It's time for number three, baby.
01:02:58
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I thought you were saying Oppenheimer. The Oppenheimer cinematic universe. ah Yeah. There could be an argument that that's a big enough movie to count as a cinematic universe. I mean, there's enough characters in it. You just make like an Einstein movie and you're like, yeah, that's Oppenheimer universe.
01:03:19
Speaker
Yeah, even though we don't really see beyond, like, most of America. through i don't do We don't even leave America in that movie at all, do we?
01:03:30
Speaker
No, because he doesn't. So, yeah, we just stick stick with what what what he's doing. So, yeah. ah you would which I would still call it a universe. Yeah.
01:03:42
Speaker
there's enough There's enough stories or things going on, even in the bounds of what we see, that you could you could expand a a whole movie on. I mean, I do think it's a fascinating period of of history, especially once they get into the Cold War like era. like i I love all all that like as an era of history. So, yeah, why not? Just do that.
01:04:01
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Yeah. i agree. You hear us, RDJ? Yeah, RDJ, you know you're listening. Also, come on the pod. We'll we'll do Kiss Kiss ba Bang Bang. Hell yeah. um and Got anything else about Pluribus? Anything else on the discussion list?
01:04:21
Speaker
ah just Just looking forward to seeing where goes. I'm enjoying the... right like i I like talking and theorizing it out, but I am just down for whatever. Like you said, like whatever they do with the pacing, if we switch perspective, like what if we do a whole episode on that eight-year-old girl? That's fine. like I'm yeah totally okay with...
01:04:42
Speaker
whatever he wants to do this point you know like i just feel like this is because that we're just sucking off in but i mean yeah whatever he's he's proven himself that that we're putting our faith into him because he keeps delivering so if he if he starts fucking up i'll call him on it but i i don't think that's i don't think that's gonna happen like anytime soon Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. He seems like he knows what he's doing. And ah he's been sitting on this idea for a while. I think he said like 10 years ago is when he first got the initial glimpse of this thing.
01:05:24
Speaker
But I don't know. The show feels like you're in the hands of a confident storyteller. And that's that's that's a good word. Confident. Like there's so many shots and sequences in this where it's like, yeah, there's a confidence to this. And you felt it in Breaking Bad. You felt it in especially Better Call Saul. A lot of it did feel like a victory lap where it's like, yeah, he can do whatever now. But it's really, really feels like that. that It's like it's it's it's like a double blank
Vince Gilligan's Storytelling Praise
01:05:52
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check now. You know, like that he gets to really, really go just go for it.
01:05:57
Speaker
and it feel you can feel the the love for the material in this thing. Whereas like Breaking Bad, I know it's a show that he really cared about and invested in.
01:06:08
Speaker
He didn't really think that it was going to be something. He was saying that he thought the pilot was going to get him other directing opportunities. And that's what he kind of initially saw Breaking Bad as.
01:06:20
Speaker
But Pluribus, I mean, it sounds like it was pretty guaranteed to him, especially with how much Apple is throwing. At this, it seems like he didn't really have to worry about shooting a pilot and this thing not getting made. He gets the first full season out of it at the very least. I mean, it's already been picked up. There is a season two coming. Like, it's not like that that that's like in the bag.
01:06:45
Speaker
And so it feels like he's been allowed to put all the love he wants into this show without any worry of is there going to be another season?
01:06:58
Speaker
Yeah, the show feels like it's made with a lot of confidence, a lot of care, and a lot of love for the material from even the actors involved and everybody I hear talking about this show.
01:07:12
Speaker
And I'm excited to be at the ground floor of this thing. I suggest it to a lot of people. Not a lot of people hop on, but I think by like season two or three, these people are going to be coming around and forgetting that it was even recommended to them in the first place. Yeah, because Breaking Bad itself didn't even... i mean, because that was still in the weird time of like... I guess Mad Men had started, but people weren't thinking of AMC as like, that's where you go for for good TV. I feel like it was once it was on Netflix.
01:07:41
Speaker
And then once... I feel like the newest season after that, and it was on Netflix was season four. And that's when Breaking Bad was really catching on by that point. so But I don't even think because of all the goodwill stored...
01:07:55
Speaker
And it's this is already getting so much good word of mouth that it's not going to take that deep into pluribus for people to really be on board. Like you said, by the time we end this season, get to next season, like there's going to be lot of people coming on board this thing.
01:08:11
Speaker
Get out of the way, Severance. There's a new show in town. And it's called Pluribus. Well, and I also, you know, not not to dish on severance, like, you you know, it it's good.
01:08:22
Speaker
A show should take as long, any work of art should take as long to make as it needs, but they take so long in between seasons of severance. I don't expect to see any more of that for like another four years. And Vince Gilligan has worked in the real TV minds, baby. He he put out he could put out a season a year.
01:08:40
Speaker
like Even if with a production of this scale, I don't doubt that he's going to like next year we'll get another season. that's what i mean It's just ah tentative on IMDb, but season two says 2026.
01:08:51
Speaker
you know twenty twenty six So I fully believe that Vince will... be on a similar timetable of like yeah next year you get another season like that's that's how tv's supposed to work ben stiller hear me ben stiller yeah the boys taken two years off oh shit sorry someone just came in the room from ah door that i didn't realize was a door that led anywhere this is door This is Door City down over here.
01:09:24
Speaker
It's the secret door. Or is the secret window, whatever the Johnny Depp movie is? That's the sequel is the secret door. First it was the window. Now it's a door.
01:09:35
Speaker
When Johnny Depp closes a door, he opens a window. a window Because someone farted. and Or because Johnny Depp is stinky. Or because Amber Heard left poop in his bed.
01:09:51
Speaker
She should have left more poops in this bed. Anyway.
01:09:56
Speaker
That's been our episode on Pluribus. That's as as You got any plugs?
01:10:06
Speaker
i've ours you got any plugs Uh, yeah. Um, you follow me on Twitter at the Doug files. Uh, I'm bad about logging stuff, uh, regularly on my letterbox, but I am going to be trying to catch up on stuff that I just fell through the cracks or the, you know, haven't,
01:10:26
Speaker
it's just catching up on my 2025 watches so you know i'm gonna try and log some of that stuff so I have the i the duggernaut on there um I've also been guesting on a friend's ah YouTube stream like ah unsourced wall radio it's usually ah you know like on Sundays at 5 p.m. Central I don't think we're gonna be on this weekend but soon we will be covering ah the scream movies and I think against my will the scream show so you know to tune in for that but also the past ah streams are are up on on the channel so you can check that out like we've done stuff like we just I just did Predator Badlands I went on there for Tron Aries and then we also did like all the VHS movies so you know I had to suffer through all that you guys should at least listen to some of it hell yeah
01:11:19
Speaker
I will not be watching any VHS movies in the near future. Oh, I just meant suffer through the episodes. You don't need to watch the... Or you just skip to the the last one where I give my rankings on like where... you know Just like watch the top 10 shorts of it. like There are some good ones. It's just just bullshit in between it that you didn't need to filter out.
01:11:43
Speaker
I get it. um You can follow me on... ah You can find me at Letterboxd at Nicholas Ewers. Follow me on there. i post I've been posting a bit more thoughtful reviews for newer movies I've been seeing. I make a lot of lists on there too.
01:11:58
Speaker
um Go check out my other podcast, Morbid Curiosities. We cover horror films right now. We're about to drop our episode on The Witch, if we haven't already. And coming up, we're going to be covering the ra movies the four Wreck movies.
01:12:14
Speaker
Pretty excited about that. yeah Talk about good found footage. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And those are going to be ah I'm really looking forward to those. And then if you're new to this podcast over here, check out some older episodes on our feed. We have some great ranking episodes, especially like.
01:12:34
Speaker
Last year, we did our top 10 of the year, and then we did our top 10 first-time watches. From earlier this year, we had an episode on The Materialist. And you go back last year, like, Long Legs, that's popping. lot of people have been watching that movie lately since Osgood Perkins' kind of okay movie is out in theaters. I didn't really care for Keeper that much. Oh, you you see you saw Keeper? i still I still need to see it. I mean, the thing about Os Perkins is I'm like,
01:13:03
Speaker
He's doing them at sub-frequency. If I don't like this one, that's fine. There'll be another one a few months where it's like, i already like the monkey, so if I can't expect both of them to be hits in the same year.
01:13:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's definitely the worst of these three Neon releases, I think. And there's positives to take away, but um maybe on a later episode we can get more into it if you're able to check it out.
01:13:28
Speaker
But yeah, that's what I've got going here. Yeah, I'm definitely going to I'm to catch up on it. that that that all sounds good yeah and then like like you said to just stay tuned for here besides past episodes we're just giving we're spoiling you guys we have a whole plethora of just like different things we're covering whether it's shows like this it could be older shows older movies new movies it's it's all here this is where the juice is baby Hell yeah.
01:13:53
Speaker
On that note, I'm Nick Ewers. I'm Doug Davenport. And we're... yeah These guys got juice. Have a good night.