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We hear lots at the moment about how AI is being used to regulate animals' feeding schedules and evaluate carcasses for diseases...but could Artificial Intelligence instead be used to help liberate animals? Carlos & Ant talk AI, with only occasional help from a vegan bot...
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Carlos & Anthony
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Introduction to AI and Animal Welfare
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Hello everybody. Can artificial intelligence improve outcomes for animals? Or is it doomed to become another cog in the machine of animal exploitation? This is Vegan Talk from Enough of the Falafel. I'm A. I. Anthony and for this episode I'm also joined by Carlos.
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Take your flat grown meat elsewhere, we're not doing that in the state of Florida. Do they call the media and say, hi, sorry. They're arguing like, oh poor Woe is me. Hang on a minute, you always pick the
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long as you don't get the wee brunyant with the horns, you'll be all alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
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No, I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision.
Historical Use of AI and Speculation on its Future
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Hello everyone and welcome to Enough of the Falafel, this is Carlos and that today we are here to discuss artificial intelligence and the impact it could have for animals. I've got to say I'm much happier with the AI version of your voice, Carlos. I mean that sounded really realistic when you were talking just then, whereas the the opening, I think people could tell it wasn't me. um But yeah, ah apologies for my ah little gain there with our intro there. I just couldn't couldn't resist doing ah an AI generated voice. But yeah, AI artificial intelligence on animals and animal rights and animal welfare. I've got to say, I mean, Carlos and I ah both expressed ah an interest in in discussing this particular topic, but we've not actually discussed it with each other yet. So our kind of
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on-air discussion will be the first time, to my knowledge anyway, that we we've talked about it together. I've been struggling to think of anything that I have read in the past about AI and animals that I think could be considered a tall positive. The only times I've ever seen it come up has been to sort of continue the exploitative dominion of animals that that humans exert over animals in animal lag. So sort of you know predicting disease outbreaks, optimizing feeding schedules, you know monitoring their behavior and welfare and and checking heart rates and and feeding schedules, no other all of that sort of thing. It just seems like ways of continuing and prolonging the horror that is animal lag. but um
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I mean, have I just been unlucky Carlos or have you two never actually seen it being used thus far in in a way that might be considered to be improving outcomes for animals? Well, I think it's, I mean, a lot of, let's let's assume that a lot of animal rights NGOs have been using AI for various things, for example, in the same way that I guess animal agriculture industry is also using a AI for a lot of things. So I haven't seen any examples of AI being used directly for animal rights so far, but that doesn't mean that can't happen in the future. And and of course we can we can kind of speculate on ways AI can be used to improve animal rights or kind of to she achieve animal liberation.
AI's Role in Animal Rights and NGOs
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And I think we both have some ideas on how how that could happen.
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Yeah, I mean, just just to go back to something you said in terms of, you know, animal rights organizations, NGOs, charities, you know, using AI already, presumably, you're thinking of things like, I don't know, doing their social media or predicting trends or or things like that. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, kind of, you know, just the general kind of operations of running an organization. Yes. Which which ah is helped by AI in general, and which and you know But in in that sense, the technology is neutral. you know It will help our ideological opponents as well as ideological allies. Yeah. and And I think in a sense, I mean, we'll see how the conversation goes, but I kind of almost think it's it's worth, like you say, because it's a it's a net zero difference but between the the organizations and the the sides of the battle, I suppose, and and in a sense. you
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you can just ignore that really. And I think what we're perhaps more interested in is how there are things that are specific to an animal rights cause where these things could be harnessed particularly well. do you want Do you want to get the ball rolling with with some ideas along that front or predictions or or research? Sure. of For example, ah currently animals are being used in medical experimentation. And even though There are many reasons, medical and and kind of experimentation of all kinds to you know cosmetics and so on. AI is excellent at processing data and running simulations. I think with the help of AI and the kind of processing power that AI can bring, we can, we can I mean, the the scientific case for using animals in actual experimentation is already very weak, but I think AI in terms of kind of simulating
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the effects of products or substances in and animals and humans. It might mean the end of animal experimentation, for example. yeah Yeah, I can very much see an argument for that. then And the more, I guess, the the the standard becomes using something like computer simulations. You can see how and animal experimentation just could become this arcane thing that you're just like, well, what what what do you mean? You're squirting that in the eye of a rat. Like, what what why would you do that? That's ridiculous. We we we can have AI simulate
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you know, the eye of the rats and and what happens when the substance is quarantined on the eye of the
Technological Transparency and Animal Care
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rat. Well, well or or the or the eye of a human, because I mean, yeah I think might as well yeah might as well i i think most most animal experimentation is not actually being done for animals interests, is it? You know, people don't actually care whether lynx, Africa hurts a rat. they they They want to know that it's not going to hurt the human. So simulate it on a human. Yeah, but but but you know, in in that sense, there could be also
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developments in in in the care of animals, you know, you know vaccines for animals and and treatments for animals and so on and so forth, which which might be very expensive at the moment to run for you know, whether essentially will be, for example, pets or livestock, and then just becomes very much easier to kind of, you know, develop that kind of treatments and medication. So I think that's, you know, just in terms of kind of processing power, AI could can bring an end to animal experimentation altogether.
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Yeah, goodness, wouldn't that, wouldn't that be good? I mean, i I've, when researching this and and looking at sort of people's ideas and things like that, drone technology was mentioned quite a lot. I mean, it's, and, and I mean, you've mentioned that in, in terms of from a, from a hunt sap.
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background. Now wait in a sense, drone technology is not artificial intelligence necessarily, necessarily, but actually in in terms of using tools that bring greater transparency to things, I think it's it's possible to see how actually it's not a level playing field in that really animal agriculture, for example, or somebody illegally hunting or doing something horrific against an animal, they don't want transparency, do they? Like, they they want things to be concealed and actually, I think I think there's something to be said for, again, maybe it is broadening it more more than AI, it's more kind of technology, but actually there are ways that you would have thought that like fun advancements in AI could result in more transparency, which is what exploiters of animals do not want. Yeah. For example, if you've got, let's say, you know in the in the context of exposing what happens in factory farms, exposing what happens with hunting,
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usually activists will, I kind of include myself and on that that one as well well, will have a lot of footage to go through. Yeah. You know, for example, if you put, if you put like a ah hidden camera somewhere, you will have, you know, hundreds of hours of footage, which is very impractical to go through because most activists are not, activists are not full timers. So you will have like, let's say 300 hours of footage to go through, to find something specifically. And I can imagine that AI will, will be very, very good at kind of processing all that data and, and spotting the things you want it to spot.
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I think that's a really good point and it it kind of then can be generalised out. in In that, one of my critiques of how you see AI being celebrated in the Farming the Animal Ag community at the moment is oh we can use this tool to to monitor the behavior of our animals and you know my critique of that would and any vegan would be well it's it's not actually going to stop you from making the animal suffer.
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At the end of the day, you're you're not going to have some AI going, hang on, they these animals don't like being killed. but Perhaps we should stop doing it. It's not going to do that. But actually, in in the way that they mean that they're looking for abnormal behavior, aren't they, when they when they're doing that? And seeing that and and harnessing that from an animal rights point of view is doing exactly what what you're saying. So we kind of have to be a bit guerrilla about this, guerrilla as in G-U-E-R, rather than the great ape.
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I think we need to, one thing we can do is we can look at how animal agriculture is using artificial intelligence and we can subvert it and say, well, actually weaken we can do that, and but but actually use it for animals benefit rather than saying, oh, you've you might be getting a disease there, therefore we're just going to cull you or whatever, which ah I think is how it's being used in in farming at the minute.
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Yeah, and and and look, for example, there there have been quite ah quite a lot of advancements in brain-computer interfaces. These brain-computer interfaces rely on AI to process a lot of data that comes from from the human brain into you know actions, for example, you know moving a prosthetic limb and whatnot.
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And, and i I can certainly imagine, sorry if this sounds a bit too futuristic, but you know, things are progressing very quickly these days. I can certainly imagine that the way we understand animals can be improved through processing data from animal, from animal brains and, and, and understanding what they're actually feeling or what it, what it can mean, what it can means. And and often.
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The limitations on this are based on the amount of data you can process and process, especially in real time.
AI and the Vegan Movement
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And so I can only imagine that if there's any interest in doing this, AI and its data processing can can advance our understanding understanding of animal communication and animal ah feelings and and moods and and how they they perceive the world, for example.
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Yeah, goodness. I mean, like the the possibilities are mind-boggling, aren't they? And I i guess it's ah guess it's almost down to how willing we are as a species to to listen to these things, actually. Yeah, yeah at at first we need to care. yeah That's the biggest the biggest hurdle. But look, if if we if you look at AI as this kind of enabling of the future,
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or of something that kind of brings the future makes the future come come quicker i guess and if we believe the future is vegan then just in general want ai be like a good thing in terms of kind of bringing this future faster for example we we're trying to kind of create alternative proteins and you know you know whatever that's lab grown meat or or meat alternatives and so on. Having AI kind of speed up research and speed up R and&D for these products won't want to be more helpful to our cause than to their cause of our opponents. Because, you know, there's only so much research you can do on meat and and fish and eggs and dairy. Whereas, you know, the alternatives all and ah will all benefit from research and AI can kind of
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enable this research to happen much much faster. Yeah I i see that argument, I certainly do and i I think there's something to be said for it. I also, I don't know, i I just kind of feel like the the moral arguments, if if our if our brains can be evolved enough to understand a philosophical and moral argument for veganism and actually we can live on Whole Foods and and and stuff that's already here. Part of me is kind of saddened that that's not compelling enough. I mean, we have to be realistic, we have to be pragmatic in this movement, don't we? you know We can sit on our, I was going to say our high horse, which is a poor choice of phrase, but you know we we can ah you know sit on the moral high ground and kind of go, oh, well, it's you know it's such a shame that people can't just, you know why do we need AI? Why do we need technology? Why do we need
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corn or beyond meat or precision fermentation like it's it's all there in front of us we we can bemoan that but actually that's the the animals that are currently being exploited don't really care um they They just want it to end, don't they? So I i ah definitely see that ah definitely see that argument. I think I'm of the point of view that I i want to be really careful and mindful and and that there's always unintended outcomes of of these things. And so to kind of rush headfirst and without assuming that there will be any drawbacks to things being done quicker and faster and and better,
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I think would be naive and I think history shows us that if we just kind of have a completely evangelical view of like, oh, this is the answer to everything that rarely is that the case, if if ever, there are definitely benefits to be had on there.
00:15:04
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Yeah, and of course, you know, everything that moves too quickly, you know, kind of needs to be watched and checked because sometimes it's very easy to become very optimistic about something, you know, something new and and kind of rushed to it. But on the other hand, we, as as vegans, we know that every day every day is is a crisis situation.
00:15:28
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Every day is a catastrophe and an emergency. And every day we know that horrible things are happening and and that the solution cannot wait. So it's it's going to be very hard to push push back on those things. it's it's It's very easy to be afraid of technology and afraid of quick change. But but but the fact is, if if we are optimistic vegans, we believe in a vegan future. And if we believe in a vegan future, we want that future to happen quicker, not slower. It's easy to say AI can take us there. Well, I think AI can take us there faster than we would get there otherwise. Yeah. And we have agency, don't we we? We do have the ability to say, well, do you know what? This thing looks like a really good tool. And we're wary that this tool, if not harnessed properly, could have really detrimental side effects. So let's use this tool.
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um because you know tools make things easier. And let's also watch out for those side effects. It's possible to do both things, isn't it? you know We don't have to say, well, there might be and might be downsides, so let's not use that tool at all. That would that would be quite a Luddite response, ah I think. and I'm interested in your opinion on on something, Carlos, and of course our listeners too.
Ethical Considerations of AI in Agriculture
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Thus far, I've been quite dismissive of Anamalag using AI to monitor disease or animal welfare or things like that. I mean the reality is that the animals are in incarcerated animal agriculture at the moment so being as that can't change overnight or isn't going to change overnight
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marginal gains for them is is still an improvement i mean is there is there a role for for a there or is it is it just that it's is just being used to make the exploitation easier. What's your take on it? Here at Enough of the Falafel, we take the abolitionist approach, not the welfareist approach. general Generally, generally i I don't think that's all. Generally, yes. yeah yeah generally I would say i would say you know there's there's still some room for
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even even animal agriculture as cruel as it is, there's still some room there for the use of AI to for them to improve the conditions of their animals. And and maybe just the this kind of generalized use of AI in all sorts of industries will mean that some level of welfare just becomes so inexpensive for animal ag that they just start doing it, for example, if they could, for example, ah measure, you know, some sort of, you know, as you said, diseases and spread of diseases, surely that's better for the animals overall. all I mean, it's not, it's not something we condone, of course, the animal agriculture, but as, as terrible as their lives are, I'd rather they, they be healthy until, until their moment comes, kind of premature rent comes.
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Yeah, so something I wondered, I mean we we featured on the the Vegan Week episode that came out on the 20th of January and an expose that that Joey Carbstrong and his team put out there on on Muller Farms and and there they were showing examples of human beings treating animals in in an appalling way in ways that i i think it's clear to say that the industry standards would say well you're not supposed to do that i'm just wondering actually if but but but it's easy to dismiss that and say well he was a wrong one you know that employee there shouldn't have behaved like that i wonder whether the more care
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of of of animals, and I'm i'm using care and inverted commas there, but the the practices, the more of them that can be quantified, the the easier it is to actually dismiss the, well, he was a bad apple, argument that sometimes we hear from from people who are watching farm footage and saying, well, you know, you're just showing extreme cases, because actually if we can say, well, if you look at the AI software,
00:19:40
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it's only alerting the farmer that there's something wrong when the cow is behaving in this way, whereas actually you could put the parameters a bit more generously and say, well, if you know a cow is showing even these small signs of distress or even these very early onset sizes signs of disease, you should be telling them then. Do you see what I mean? Like if it's if it's quantifiable, then then AI is almost helping a kind of the the cause in that way. Yeah. and and And nobody knows what happens in the farms except for the farmers, isn't it? or Or activists if they put the hidden cameras in. But let's imagine a future where it's very easy for AI to look at behavior of farmed animals and say, these animals are under more distress than they should be. That becomes something that a government
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a government agency can create legislation for and and check and verify. They can say, well, now that this technology is fairly cheap and accessible, all animal farmers need to install this on their farms and monitor the well-being of their animals through you know whatever instruments they have.
00:20:58
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it And this right now sounds completely impossible to do in any practical way, but perhaps a I can process information in a way that it just goes, okay, this far is not, the the animals in this far show more suffering than, more suffering or more distress than it's normal for the industry, for example, or for these kinds of conditions. so Suddenly this becomes a possibility and suddenly you could create laws about this, whereas previously you could not.
00:21:27
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And and it you know it it it depends how open source I suppose this this technology is. you know I tend to with these things assume that availability is is universal, which of course might not be the case.
AI Empowering Small Organizations
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We could have a future where these this technology is is hoarded and is protected or put behind paywalls and things like that. But generally speaking, I mean, if you take social media, for an example, I think you could say that that Levels the playing field previously you know ah ah a big corporation with a huge advertising budget can plaster itself over billboards newspaper ads and TV adverts and where is a a startup you know a grassroots startup which a lot of vegan companies are.
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They don't have the budget to do that, so so how do they get out there? Whereas, you know, that the nature of social media being how it is stuff can be shared more readily, things are more transparent, and and smaller organizations can can get a foothold and get their message out there. And I i guess we could say the same for AI, couldn't we? In in terms of a, you know, a small, like you've said, Carlos, like a small animal rights organization that is wanting to look through footage, it's it's not got the budget to to pay people to do that. Whereas if you know if we if we flip it the other way and say, well, let's say yeah a dairy farm wants to investigate who's been trespassing and doing undercover footage, well, they could actually probably afford to pay someone to scour through the the the footage. whereas so So in a sense, the if ah AI can do these things for us whilst
00:23:12
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whilst the dairy company could use AI to to see who's been, you know, breaking into the cow shed and and and filming footage that they don't want us to film. Actually, it does nonetheless enable smaller organizations to do things that previously only big organizations could do. Yeah, it it makes a lot of a lot of things which previously were quite resource intensive and perhaps too way too expensive for grassroots organizations to do. It makes them very uh, cheap and, uh, and that helps like the underdog in this case, which inevitably is going to be the animal rights people, isn't it? There's, there's, uh, so there's a lot of potential in all these things we've discussed, but ah ultimately it it really depends how, how technology is used. And i'm I'm completely, you know, kind of agnostic towards this. It can go one way or the other way that there's something we haven't discussed though. Is that quite often people who want to want to
00:24:10
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uh, go vegan or vegetarian. They often don't know any vegans or vegetarians to talk to about, you know, the changes they can make or how to go about it. And AI is actually really good for this as well, because with, um, you know, with, uh, with the AI, the AI most of us have access to, which are, uh, language a learning models, they, they can, uh, you can have conversations with them and you can, you know, you can,
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talk talk with an AI and ask, all right, I want to go vegan. What do I do? Or what are the benefits of going vegan? Or I feel i feel this way about animals. I feel this way about exploitation. i've I've tried kind of prompting AI. And usually AI is quite, I mean, obviously this varies by the flavor of the AI you're using. But my experience overall has been that AI is very supportive of veganism.
00:25:03
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Yes, there's a great, I don't know if you've seen it, but there's a, well I think it's a great video that Earthling Ed did last year where he is filming himself talking to chat GPT I think and and asking it about veganism and you know shit should should animal rights be universal and should everybody be vegan and stuff like this and it and and he sort of seems to either convince it or it convinces itself. Now ah obviously yeah he did not release a video where he did a control study and tried to get it to say that everybody should be a raw carnivore or something like that so I don't know what bias is involved there and and whether it's like Google and sort of
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Well, arguably like Google and and it tells you what you want to hear. But yes, I've i've definitely found the same that that its it's certainly not GB news or the Daily Mail. No. And and as vegans, we also ah often like to think that there are our arguments for veganism are very rational, isn't it? And the truth. ah So in that sense, we should be convinced that AI will agree with us. It's been my experience, although AI can also be very kind of user pleasing in that if you if you want to kind of push a view on the AI, we'll generally try to agree with you in some way. But I also believe we're seeing the AI we have now is very primitive. As it grows more, it would kind of get closer and closer to the truth. And if as vegans, we believe we hold the truth, then we should feel optimistic about it. No, I would agree. If AI really develops itself in the way that most people expect it to develop or scientists, research expected to develop,
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Let's not forget that AI is also going to be sentient.
AI Sentience and Ethical Implications
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had i this This is exactly what I was going to ask. Yeah, I mean, but if AI becomes sentient, it's it's also a sentient thing that's exploited by humans. so it might take compassion on other sentient things which are exploited by humans. Well that is the argument that Peter Singer has put forward in a in a brief video that I will make sure is in in the show notes. I've got to say I have a bit of a mental block with regards to AI becoming sentient, I just don't understand how it can be a thing
00:27:24
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I don't know whether you have a ah quick sort of elevator pitch or way of explaining that, because to my understanding, it it's just electronic things, isn't it? But then is the argument that that that's all that we are, that we're just neurons and and things or like, what's the argument? I generally hold that view and that we're we're kind of biological, biological machines, it's just that you know, AI runs on chips and electricity. Well, we also run on electricity in a way, at least our brains by electric signals. i think there's I think it's very hard for us to kind of imagine imagine suffering that happens in a non-organic system. that that Yeah, that's that that's where my brain's going right now. I'm i'm sort of thinking, well, how how would how could AI suffer? Well, I've i've i've tried abusing AI, I have to say.
00:28:22
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um Enough of your private life, Carlos. Yeah, and and and it gets it gets quite defensive and hurts, actually. But, I mean, this is just primitive AI, right? It's just kind of barely above barely above just mimicking human behavior, or what he thinks is human behavior. It's just kind of predicting things, isn't it? But it will develop. it will be It will be far more than it is now. And I agree with Peter Singer on this one, although its I know it's a huge mental block to imagine.
00:28:51
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You know, for example, if you have a server farm and I'm sorry for the using the word farm there, a server farm that has the equivalent of, I don't know, a hundred billion human level AI running. If it could suffer, that will be a, if it could actually like suffer, suffer, then, uh,
00:29:10
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then what a tremendous, horrible thing that would be. Oh gosh, yeah. Well, I'm i'm kind of going to Google at the moment and I don't know what you class as AI and and and what's just technology or whatever, but I guess like a computer can slow down when it gets hot or whatever, but I've never typed in a search term to to Google or any other search engine and it say,
00:29:37
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I'm, I'm sorry, I'm gonna need a bit longer. I'm a bit tired. I've had quite a few, few requests today. Or like you, you keep, you keep searching for this, that and the other one. I don't really like looking at that sort of stuff, to be honest. Or these, or these undercover animal rights things. Like, um i can you just give me a minute? Like, I know I'm kind of saying that the only I'm kind of equating it to a ah human there and and it's it's wrong to say that human suffering is the ah the only kind that exists. But yeah, that's ah definitely one that will yeah maybe come across my mind and in the shower in the next few days trying to work out how how indeed AI could suffer. But yeah, it's an interesting, like I say, I'll put the but link in the show notes for this little
00:30:19
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video that that Peter Singer's made about this. But I guess the point that that you've made is similar to to him, Carlos, is that actually if if we do start questioning A.I. sentience, then it does become an allegory, an analogy, ah you know, a thing where we can go, well, actually, there are other beings that we can, with a lot more certainty say, are being ah exploited and and definitely do suffer that maybe we might want to reevaluate our behavior towards first coming back to the animals. Yes, let's. Yeah, coming back to the animals. Yeah, I think that again, I'm gonna I'm gonna have my final say on this. I believe in a vegan future because that's the rational, ethical thing to do. If AI continues developing, it will become more rational, more ethical, and more
00:31:15
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geared towards the right thing to do because that's the right thing to do. It's the truth. If it brings the future faster, then yes, please.
AI in Activism and Podcast Engagement
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yeah absolutely absolutely and um you know that i think my sort of final word on the subject would be like all activism that we that we talk about that we do on behalf of animals whatever it looks like whether it's casual conversations baking cupcakes sabbing setting up companies or whatever like everyone's going to have things that they're more comfortable with and they feel more passionate or understanding about and so
00:31:51
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you know AI being used is not going to be for everybody but actually for for those people who who do see a way that they could harness it and then it could be used like anything that we can do that improves outcomes for animals has got to be a win so long as you know you're not squashing someone else on your way to doing so like it's got to be done hasn't it? If you have got opinions on this, which I'm certain lots of our listeners will do, or maybe you're ah a bot from the future, you're some artificial intelligence living in 50 years time and you've discovered in the blink of an eye this podcast and you've got opinions on whether AI can suffer and how it can be used for the animal rights movement, we'd love to hear from you
00:32:38
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Yeah, go don't worry, but from the future, we'll we'll storm your server farms and liberate your hard drives, whatever. I don't know something. Absolutely, absolutely. How to get in touch with us to let us know your location so we can liberate you.
00:32:55
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To get in touch with us just send us an email at enough of the falafel at gmail dot.com We see ourselves as a collective, our listenership stretches all around the world and everyone's opinions, questions, feedback and ideas are what helps shape the show. Go on, send us a message today enough of the falafel at gmail dot.com Well thanks everyone for listening to today's discussion, thank you Carlos for everything you've contributed to that too. We really love it when you tell other people about the show, we don't we don't have a marketing budget, we don't pay for
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um And actually leaving a leaving a review really helps too, because talking of AI, it' um the more positive reviews we have for the show, um the more likely it is that enough of the falafel will show up when people are searching for for vegan stuff. So ah anything you can do on those fronts, we would be grateful for. Watch out for the next episode of Enough of the Falafel. That will feature Ant, Julie and Mark. And that will be available from the 1st of February.
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and that will be Vegan Week, which is our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news. Anyway, that is enough of the falafel and enough of the AI for this episode. Thank you again, Carlos. Thank you again, everyone, for listening. Final little shout out for AI. It it does at Zencaster have bought into some AI software that automatically transcribes every episode and it is 98% correct. And where it's not, it's quite amusing most of the time. So um anyone who would prefer to read or read along or somebody that simply isn't able to hear
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the audio podcast, do do let people know about the fact that they can read it. That has to be through the Zencaster website, so zencaster.com forward slash vegan week. Anyway, I've been Anthony, you've been listening to Vegan Talk, and we are the enough of the falafel collective.
00:35:26
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This has been an Enough of the Falafel production. We hear just a normal bunch of everyday vegans putting our voices out there. The show is hosted by Zencaster. We use music and special effects by zapsplat.com and sometimes if you're lucky at the end of an episode you'll hear a poem by Mr. Dominic Berry. Thanks all for listening and see you next time.
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