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No Good Deed - The Story of Courtney LeBlanc
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Friday November 15th 2002 Jennifer Bordelon came home tired and exhausted after spending the night in a Baton Rouge ICU after her brother was in a bad accident; only upon entering the house, Jennifer realized her 12 year old daughter Courtney LeBlanc is missing. Family & friends came together to search for the missing girl; quickly assisted by Police & FBI as there are more than one serial killer on the loose. Unfortunately, the culprit who stole this little girl's life was closer to home, with a dark past and having been saved by Courtney herself.
Trigger Warnings - Sexual Abuse of a Minor; Family Knowledge; Murder; Stalking
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Transcript
Introduction to Twisted Tales
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, hello. Hey guys. Thanks for tuning into another episode of Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa. And we're excited to be here with no court case drama this week to be told.
00:00:20
Speaker
No, no cray-cray faith. I have not been caught doing anything. I'm not supposed to do in the cars. That's me. Good job. I know, right? You did great. Right? All right. Well, you kind of know, I was hiccuping and then I kind of burped and I was trying to do it all incognito, but you had to call it out. So I thought you were having a stroke. I wasn't sure what was happening. 50, 50, 50, 50.
Lisa's Twisted Boyfriend
00:00:39
Speaker
Another exciting news.
00:00:41
Speaker
Lisa has a man. Ah, yes. Who she might have scared off already, let's be honest. Yeah, he does think I'm a bit twisted. It's really okay. So you're like hanging out last night. Just all right. So we're hanging out last night. And I am. I have a pair of pajama pants that may or may not have tigers on them. They're really comfortable and I don't care if you want to judge me or not.
00:01:08
Speaker
I may or may not also be wearing those same pants right now. So they're not tiger stripes. They're legitimate tigers walking through a forest, guys. I just took a look and my eyes are bleeding. Yes. So we're just joking around, having a good old time. And I made a sarcastic comment and he looked at me and he looked at my pants and he was like, all right, Carol Baskins, calm down. And I said, you keep up with that tone.
00:01:37
Speaker
And you're going to be like Carole Baskin's ex-husband and go missing. I would like to say for the record before, because I think he's coming tonight to listen in. This is the one that she told her name was like Patrick or something too. Same guy. Actually, my name's Brian. I'm like, yeah, I'm actually Travis.
00:01:58
Speaker
Not that they probably remember all of our little stories, but he's a glutton for punishment. He must. He must be. Obviously. Yeah. OK.
Florida's Death Penalty Law for Child Abusers
00:02:08
Speaker
So another true crime news I am sure everyone has heard. I got to tell you, I love this. I saw it on TikTok and I sent it to Lisa one morning early and she was like, is this true? And I was like, I don't know. I haven't had turned research. But whether you are Republican
00:02:23
Speaker
our independent, our Democrat, everybody should, everyone should be okay with the fact that Florida passed a bill allowing the death penalty for child sexual abusers. And I got to say, if anyone has listened to this podcast more than once, they've heard my soapbox and I firmly, firmly back this long. So that was just another little tidbit, whether you love dos Santos or hate him, he's polarizing. I like this law.
00:02:52
Speaker
because anything that protects kids in my book is exactly the way it should be. I literally was like, floored. I thought it was a, I don't know. You thought it was a good joke. A Republican wish list, maybe? I don't know. Yeah. A me wish list, maybe? Yeah, and it said, because they were talking about it, in an interview after they passed this on Good Morning Orlando,
00:03:17
Speaker
They asked DeSanto something and his response is direct quote, my view is you have some of these people that will be serial rapists of six and seven year old kids. I think death penalty is the only appropriate punishment when you have a situation like that. Agreed. Doesn't matter what age you are, race you are, ethnicity you are. Agreed. How many cases have we been through thus far?
00:03:39
Speaker
where we talk about somebody's child, like childhood through life, you know, prepubescent, prepubescent and they've all been abused. Well, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about how many of them have been arrested for sexual abuse, do two years and then turn into a mass murderer like it.
00:03:56
Speaker
It's one of the not DeSanto's book, one of the people who supported the bill said once a predator has a child ensnared, they will harm that child over and over and over again and then move on to another innocent child, which I agree with.
00:04:13
Speaker
So I support that bill and I'm happy with that bill. And if you don't like that, bite me. Hang them high. You probably quit listening to this podcast a long time ago, so it doesn't apply to you. Yeah, you're good. Thank you to our six loyal viewers. Six loyal. Six. I used to say three. That's a step. That's doubling our platform. Right. Now it's our mother. It is going to be rough tonight, guys. I'm already stuttering. Well, you always stutter.
00:04:38
Speaker
It is my turn, Faith's turn to tell Lisa a story tonight.
Jennifer's Move and the Accident
00:04:41
Speaker
And I've got one for you. All right. Let's hear it. All right. So we're going to jump right into it. And tonight we are not going in the way back machine. Oh, I know. Wow, Faith. I know. Because something in this decade. Really? Right. And the sad thing is, I want to say this is only 10 years ago. It's not, but still. So in the fall of 2002,
00:05:02
Speaker
Oh, okay. So it's kind of like, you know, in the back, but not like super whip. Yeah. It's a drinking person away. A drinking person away. In the fall of 2002, Jennifer, um, Bordelion along with her two daughters, 12 year old Courtney LeBlanc and nine year old Alana LeBlanc moved to Denham Springs, Louisiana.
00:05:24
Speaker
Now Denham Springs is located in Livingston Parish, and I think we've hit on this before, but Louisiana doesn't have like counties. They call them parishes. And this parish is literally right on the outskirts of Baton Rouge. So Baton Rouge is a bigger city. And if you wanted to live more like the country, but still be like big city adjacent, that's where you're going to live. You're going to live in this Denham Springs. That way you've got a quick commute to Baton Rouge right there.
00:05:54
Speaker
So Jennifer, the mother, was originally from this area, but had been living in Mississippi prior to this move. Like I said, they had just moved here. They'd only been living here a couple of weeks when Jennifer got a call that her brother had been in a really bad car accident and was being airlifted to the hospital in Baton Rouge. And as any sister would, Jennifer immediately went
00:06:21
Speaker
to get plans to go into the city to be with her brother. He's gonna be right there beside her. We don't know what's happening. You go to your brother. So there's a few things happening here. The hospital honestly is not that far from her house. Again, right there just outside the city limits. Her brother obviously is critical condition if they're gonna life flight him. So Jennifer left Courtney, the 12 year old at home alone. Now, before we get into judgment zone,
00:06:51
Speaker
I just want to point out a few things. Number one, it's 2002. There's cell phones. There's things. Number two.
00:06:58
Speaker
Courtney's 12, which is like prime babysitting age. That's when you're, what's when you have your old babysitting business cards, you've been through your babysitting, RS. In Louisiana, when I grew up in Louisiana, they used to have babysitters class, you go to the local hospital, get CPR certified, you get your little babysitter card. That's how it was done. So it's not that bad that the girl was left home alone. Number two, just in a second rebuttal to this, Courtney is homeschooled.
00:07:22
Speaker
But she's not like normal homeschooled not like she's a very self-sufficient self-motivating very mature for age girl because Jennifer was a single parent and Worked a job Courtney homeschooled herself while her mom was at work. Oh at 12 No way and heck I'd be sleeping till noon. Yeah so I
00:07:49
Speaker
Courtney is a very responsible goal for AIDS. There was no problem for her being home alone this Saturday while her mom goes to the hospital.
Courtney's Decision to Stay Home
00:07:56
Speaker
Anyway, besides that, just wanted to make sure we're not judging the mom. Jennifer arranged for Courtney to spend the night that night with some family friends because she fully intended to stay at the hospital overnight with her brother just to see what was going on. And she really didn't want Courtney staying overnight. It's a new house. She is young, like, I don't really want you staying overnight by yourself, which duh, there's no way I would have done it.
00:08:21
Speaker
So Jennifer leaves, she goes to the hospital to sit with her brother and try to figure out what's going on. Not long after Jennifer left, I mean we're not talking like hours, we're not talking end of the night, we're not even talking late.
00:08:36
Speaker
Courtney calls the family friend who she was going to spend the night with. And this isn't like a friend of hers. This is like one of her mom's friends. Because remember, her mom grew up in this town. All their family is there. Friends are there. She knows people.
00:08:51
Speaker
So she calls her mom's friend that she's supposed to spend the night with and just says, I am super busy. I'm way behind on schoolwork. I've got a huge book report I've got to do. I'm just going to stay home tonight. I'm not going to come spend the night. I feel fine with it. And the mom's friend agrees. That's fine. Here's the thing. I have two thoughts. Two thoughts. Number one, if it is a close family friend,
00:09:18
Speaker
then they're probably aware that this girl is home by herself most times. They know that this girl's responsible and they probably knew the mother's boundaries and what the mother was comfortable with. So it's not like they just were uncaring and like, okay, they probably had some semblance. Thought number two. Completely counter ducks, thought number one.
00:09:44
Speaker
If you are in charge of the welfare of a child, any child, but especially a child that is not yours, that is a huge responsibility that you're taking on. And that is a huge amount of trust being placed upon you by that child's parents. And if that parent has called you to say, I would like my child to come spend the night with you because I do not want her home alone.
00:10:09
Speaker
And then that child calls after the parent leaves and says, I'm kind of busy. Yeah. You don't say, okay. Yeah. You've got two choices there. You either say, don't care, pack your crap. You can do it at my house because who cares if you're not the cool auntie.
00:10:29
Speaker
You're responsible for that child. Right. Or option number two. Hey, that's fine. You've got tons of stuff. I'm a packet to go bag and I'm going to come sleep over at the house so you don't have to move. Right. Those are the two in my mind. That's what you do. Yeah. You're not just like, okay. I've got to, I've got to retort for that. Would you like to? Yes. Go ahead. All right. Cause both of my thoughts. So completely different from each other, but those are my thoughts. Yeah.
00:10:54
Speaker
So for starters, yeah. Okay. We think she's super mature. She's great. She's wonderful. She's 12. I don't care, dude. Like kids are manipulative and make dumb choices. One, two, second, second of all, they're vulnerable. Okay. I don't care if your kid stays home by themselves at 12 or 18. If something bad's going to happen, it's going to happen with you're there or not at night, but it's going to happen whether you're there or not. At least you give the kid a fight chance. That's true.
00:11:25
Speaker
That's very, very true. That's not what I'm saying. Like what I'm saying is I'd have been skeptical from the word go. Oh, Hondo. Hugely. Hondo. Cause she's turning 13. That's the rebellion age. Yeah. Those are the dark years in any girl's life. Not just in general, like, you know, if, if my nephew who's 11.
00:11:43
Speaker
called me and said, hey, I know I'm supposed to stay the night with you, but I'm comfortable at my house by myself. Glad you're comfortable. Get comfortable at my house. Yeah, I would be like, that's great. I'll be there in 10 minutes to pick you up. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. Yeah, not going to happen. Absolutely not. All right, go ahead. So be that as it may.
00:12:03
Speaker
All that aside, all of our feelings aside, because we're very opinionated people if you haven't picked up on that. The friend did call up to the hospital and let Jennifer know, hey, Courtney called. She said she's got all this homework to do and she just wants to stay at home by herself.
00:12:20
Speaker
Are you okay with that? And the mom was like, yeah, that's fine. I just didn't, I didn't know if she'd been okay with it, but if she's okay with it, that's fine. So Courtney's almost 13 again, very responsible. Jennifer's not staying at the hospital like all day. The next day, she just wants to meet with the doctors in the morning. She wants to be there while her brother's there, do them overnight and be there when the doctors get there the next morning, then she's going to come home a couple of hours.
Courtney's Disappearance
00:12:42
Speaker
Nothing could go wrong, right? Well,
00:12:44
Speaker
Early the next morning on Friday, November 15th, Jennifer's brother ended up having to be transported from Baton Rouge to New Orleans. He was too critical for the Baton Rouge Hospital.
00:12:56
Speaker
So after he left, Jennifer heads home. It's early afternoon hours. She has more than likely gotten very little sleep because she's been in an ICU or an ER. People are talking. They come in every hour to check your vitals. You get no sleep. She's probably stressed, emotionally just exhausted, physically exhausted, mentally exhausted. She just wants to go home, decompress.
00:13:21
Speaker
I'm assuming think through the trauma, maybe get a nap in, maybe drink some wine. Who cares if it's the morning, you know, like whatever you need to do. I'm overwhelmed. I'm going to get trashed. Who cares if it's at five o'clock somewhere. So she walks into the house. Courtney's blanket is laid out in the living room floor like always. All her books are like surrounding it.
00:13:43
Speaker
But Courtney's not there. It's early, she's probably in bed. So Jennifer, here's the deal. I already said it, but Jennifer and her daughters had just moved to this area. So when Jennifer goes up into Courtney's room and sees that Courtney's surprise, surprise, it's not there.
00:14:07
Speaker
And then when Jennifer checks the whole house and finds that Courtney's not there, there's not a lot of options here. Number one, they just moved here. They don't have any friends. Number two, she's homeschooled. She doesn't have any friends. It's like some of Jennifer's family and her friends, but that's it. Like Courtney doesn't have anybody. She should be at home. So initially Jennifer's not super worried.
00:14:37
Speaker
Um, because let's be honest, she's almost 13 year old girl. It is. It's Saturday, Sunday morning. She knows her mom's going to be gone and she knows when her mom gets back, she's going to take a nap. So more than likely she just called one of Jennifer's brothers, sisters, parents to come pick her up, take her to the mall, do whatever. She did all her homework. It's all sitting right there. So Jennifer starts calling around the family members to see if someone came to get Courtney.
00:15:02
Speaker
It's 2002. So while cell phones are around, it's not like today's age where every 12 year old has a phone in hand. Yeah. And you can stalk it. Yeah. It was like an adult thing to have a cell phone then. Um, and, and Courtney, Jennifer's mind isn't running cause she knows Courtney didn't go off to do dumb things with friends. Like we stated, she's just somewhere. So she's calling down a very short list of who, who could have come and got Courtney and realizes very quickly. Nobody came to pick up Courtney. Courtney's just gone.
00:15:32
Speaker
So Jennifer, like any mother would do, immediately turns around and calls law enforcement to report her daughter missing. So this is on November 15th, 2002.
00:15:44
Speaker
She called the Livingston Parish Sheriff and the sheriff was assigned to the case and the FBI is immediately brought in on this case. A profiler, Mary O'Toole, is consulted on this case. Not only were the police and FBI presence immediate for this missing girl, but search parties were formed. Her picture is everywhere. People are showing up in droves to help find this missing girl.
00:16:08
Speaker
Jennifer's a strange husband. Gerald, I have a hard time with this name. Baudelion comes down immediately to try to help find the little girl. He's doing interviews, he's on searches, he's everywhere. So does anything about like the past 30 seconds to 60 seconds, does none of that strike you as strange? Well, when it comes to like the FBI thing, I thought, especially in 2000s,
00:16:37
Speaker
I thought that when it comes to missing children, like under the age of 15, I thought FBI had to be contacted. I could be totally wrong about that. See, I was expecting you to stop me, but you were like, yeah, yeah. The mother calls the police. Yeah. It has not been 24 hours. No. But when it comes to- And immediately police, FBI profilers, and FBI agents are on the scene. Yeah. What case have we ever covered that that's the case?
00:17:04
Speaker
Well, this is a more recent case. When it comes to back in the day, missing kids is usually, it's always a priority when it's a missing child. When it's 16, 17, 18, and they can be speculated to be a runaway, it's a totally different scenario. Or if they've had a history with drugs or history of prostitution or any kind of negative nuance, but this girl was 12.
00:17:31
Speaker
And so they're not speculating something is super, super weird at that point. I don't think I'll give you that. I still thought it was weird. Like, yeah, it's like the helicopters came. Yeah. Like, where was the military at this point? We called and they're all there. Yeah. FBI profilers like that's usually not what I was going to say. I don't know about the whole profile profiling thing, but I thought and I'm going to have to look this up. But I'm I thought that if it's a missing child,
00:17:57
Speaker
Like it's pretty much almost in the hat that the FBI gets called. See, I did not, I did not think about that. Because I mean, they all have like their own stations in every place. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, and that's true. And I didn't think about that. I just normally every case we go over, they call report a missing and they're like, has it been 24 hours? And that's so ingrained in my mind that I was like, how is there this many people there that quickly? Yeah, it's kind of weird. So, but there's a reason.
00:18:25
Speaker
There's a reason there's this big of a turnout immediately. So to understand this reason, we're going to rewind a few years.
Connie Warner's Murder During Hurricane Andrew
00:18:32
Speaker
We're going to go back to August 1992 in Louisiana. Where the FBI was likely not called. In August 1992, Louisiana is preparing for Hurricane Andrew, which I remember because I lived there.
00:18:49
Speaker
Everybody was putting plywood up on their windows. Sandbags everywhere. Sandbags everywhere. We did not have a basement. And in Louisiana, not a lot of people had basements because that's not a thing there. No, because everything's a freaking flood zone. Exactly. Why would you? So my family went to stay with Dr. Chris Kerr because they had a gigantic house. And like three other families went there. Man, you name drop a lot. You know that? I know I do. I'm going to have to edit that out. I just want to show that out there. That helps. No, that's true. Yeah.
00:19:17
Speaker
So, but we, us and a bunch of other families went over there. I remember when we watched all the Indiana Jones until the power went out, like it was a thing. My brother was still wetting the bed and I remember Dr. Chris was like, do not pee on my floor, Zachary. So anyway, I remember this storm. Well, everyone is in a tizzy trying to get their house prepared, you know, try to, try to limit the amount of damage that's about to happen.
00:19:42
Speaker
Connie Lynn Warner is a woman who lived in Zachary, Louisiana, and she is not, her mind is not so much consumed with the storm to come and all the preparations because her mind is consumed with this man that she had to report to the police a few hours or a few days previously because she caught him peeking inside her house and like lurking around her house.
00:20:12
Speaker
So she had lived in this home the past four years with her 17 year old daughter, Tracy. Tracy and her boyfriend are planning to go check out LSU, call it little college visit in late August. So before they leave on the 21st of August, Tracy and her boyfriend are doing something at her house and Tracy's boyfriend sees this man that is lurking outside the house.
00:20:40
Speaker
And as he sees him, he realizes he's seen this man lurking around his girlfriend's house a lot. Really? And is a grown man that's just lurking around outside, never comes up. And he says, you know what? He's a good. Yeah. I don't think I'm a fan. I don't, we're not, we're not going to do this. And as a good boyfriend goes and confronts the man, this kid's in high school. That's what men do. Yeah.
00:21:05
Speaker
So he goes and confronts this guy. The guy mumbles a few curse words at him and then just heads off. Like that's it. End of the thing. So the couple leave, they go to their LSU visit. On Sunday, they get back from visiting and Connie's not at the house. It's still pretty early. It's not that big of a deal. She's an adult. She doesn't have to have a permission slip from her 17 year old daughter to go do whatever she wants to.
00:21:33
Speaker
You know, the TV's on. They're not worried. They hang out. Time fast forwards a little bit. It's 10 30 p.m. and Connie's still not home. And Tracy's worried. Now it's 10 30 on a weekend.
00:21:49
Speaker
Not that big of a deal. But the thing is, Connie does not ever stay out past dark. Unless Tracy is playing or participating in a bit at school that she wants to go watch, Connie doesn't risk it because she has horrid night vision, almost to the point of blindness. She does not stay out at night, period. So when it hits 1030, that's a red flag to Tracy. Something's wrong, my mom doesn't do this.
00:22:17
Speaker
So she starts calling around the neighbors, calling some of her mom's friends, calling family members, nothing. She can't, she can't either, it's too late and they're not answering because they're old, or they haven't seen or heard from Connie. They don't know what's going on. Tracy's panicking at 11 30 that night. So she can't find her mom, hasn't heard a word from her mom. So she's able to get in touch with her grandparents.
00:22:44
Speaker
and she's losing it so her grandfather comes over to the house because at this point Tracy has you know she's done canoodling on the couch with her boyfriend whatever they did all day she's walked around the house she's seen some things she's freaking out her mom's not home okay so her grandfather gets there and Tracy explains everything everybody she's called what's going on and says I need you to come to laundry room with me
00:23:11
Speaker
Grandpa's like, okay. They go in there and she's like, the washing machine has clearly been moved. And I don't know about you, but that looks like, like spots of blood on the floor. So the grandfather looks at all this, like nothing's like overt to him, but just not like once pointed out something, it doesn't pass the smell test. So he goes out cause Connie's car is still in the driveway.
00:23:39
Speaker
which is why Tracy wasn't super worried till 1030 because her mom obviously wasn't driving. So Grandpa goes out and takes a look at Connie's car and he sees that there's vomit all along the floorboard. That's it for him. He calls the police. Once the police get to the house, they see clear signs of a struggle throughout the house and around the property. It's obvious that Connie did not want to go with whoever took her.
00:24:10
Speaker
Obviously a fight. It was against her will and she was removed from the house. I couldn't find a lot on exactly what, but she was probably hanging on, like one of the articles I looked at said she was probably like hanging on to the washing machine as they're pulling her out type of deal. That's why it was shuffled. Because I don't know if you know this, but washing machines are fracking heavy. I just got a new washer and dryer. Dryer? I can move her all by myself. Washer? It's a hernia with five people. Anyway, so
00:24:37
Speaker
She's gone, she's been taken. Obviously there's been a struggle, obviously something's happened. So September 2nd, couple days later, 1992, a truck driver, 2002's where we, I just, okay, side note, I just yelled at Lisa because I said she was looking at her phone too much, not paying attention to my lovely melodic voice and my face.
00:25:01
Speaker
And I said, you're not even knowing dates. So she starts rounding off all the days to prove me wrong. And then I just said, 1992, she's like, what? 2002 is where we started. We went back in time. No, I said 92 and you were like, no, that's wrong. And I said, and 2002. Well, that's where we started. That's why. Yeah. Anyway, so who doesn't know the date to where we're at right now? That's what I thought. I can barely read. All right. So September 2nd, 1992, a truck driver is driving in discovers Connie's body near the Capitol building.
00:25:31
Speaker
The cause of death is a skull fracture. However, there's not one single piece of evidence they can find outside of her house or on her body because Hurricane Andrew came through that area on October 26th and washed everything away. So all we have is the cause of death. Tracy and her boyfriend were actually highly suspected.
00:25:58
Speaker
during the initial and throughout the investigation. Because the story of them going on a little LSU college trip did not have some holes in it. A.K.A. That's what they told her mom they were doing and they went they went to like I don't know.
Emergence of Derek Todd Lee's Crimes
00:26:12
Speaker
Yeah, they went to go blank. That's kind of what it was alluded to. I couldn't really figure it out, but they were highly suspected.
00:26:18
Speaker
But there was also another man that had been known to be peeping in neighborhoods and kind of skulking. Right, and that would more than likely be the guy that the boyfriend confronted, yes? Yeah, we don't know. Okay. But there's no evidence against the peeping Tom or them. So no one, I mean, they've gotten, they've got nothing. Even if they found someone, unless he confessed, they've got nothing. Yeah. So her death just goes.
00:26:47
Speaker
three months later, a father in Zachary, Louisiana, same city, comes home from work, walks into his house, and there's a man standing in the middle of his living room. Okay.
00:27:00
Speaker
The man turns and looks at him, kind of panics and says, Hey, I'm looking for Monroe, which is a different city. Okay. Then turns, runs out of the house, jumps on one of his small daughter's bikes and pedals away. Are you serious? Like you can't think of anything better. Like, Oh, you're not Tim. Like, Oh, I'm looking for a whole other city. You didn't play that cool at all.
00:27:23
Speaker
Yeah, dude, did you not expect to come home that early? No, the man did have two young daughters. Yep. There's a there's a full grown man standing in his living room. Yep. He calls the police. Yep. So police were able to track down this skillful bicycle assailant. Yep. And the bicycle seat. Yeah. And it is a guy by the name of Derek Todd Lee.
00:27:50
Speaker
They track him down in the cemetery. They arrest him. He may have failed two days later. I mean, he was just like, I'm sorry. It was a stupid, like I was just trying to scare him. I thought it was my friend's house. My bad guys. Right. So he goes on his merry way. It's no harm, no foul. There's nothing really to hold. I mean, he didn't do anything. He literally like yelled at the guy, jumped on a little girl's bike and ran away.
00:28:14
Speaker
A short time later in April, there is, this is all happening, Baton Rouge, this is all surrounding Baton Rouge. So in April, a young couple was parking, or as previously stated on an LSU visit, in their Toyota. When the door is suddenly ripped open and the boy that was driving, that was parking, is bashed in the head with a brush axe.
00:28:44
Speaker
The assailant starts full-scale psycho crazy attacking this couple that are still in the car. The boy who had his head bashed is legitimately trying to like protect his girlfriend while the guy's like beating them.
00:29:03
Speaker
All of a sudden, headlights come from like a distance, the attacker gets scared and skeets right out of there, leaving the traumatized couple in the car. They lock the car immediately, and they're losing their mind. Meanwhile, a police officer notices this car parked on the side of the road with the dome light on.
00:29:22
Speaker
He knows what's going on. Yeah. Any police officer. You know where you know where people go to depart. Right. But then, you know, did he know that they just got beaten to death? No, no. He's driving up to, quote unquote, investigate, basically say, hey, guys, move along. But when he gets there, the couple, like when he knocks on the window, the couple lose their mind. The girl screaming, it's him. It's him. He's going to kill us. It's him.
00:29:50
Speaker
at this point, something's going on. He is able to calm the young couple down, convince them that he was in fact an officer of the law, ask them what the heck happened. They tell him,
00:30:03
Speaker
about the attack. And they, fortunately, the worst of their injuries besides, you know, just getting struck was the boy had a slash on his head, not life threatening, just a cut. The girl had one on her thigh. Like that was the most and he was full scale attacking them like some bruises and stuff. That's the worst. Yeah.
00:30:25
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So the officer, excuse me, and I say, fortunately, like that's scary and horrible, but that could have ended so much worse. Oh yeah. So the officer calls it into his precinct. Officers respond and ambulance come to pick up and tend to the kids. Unfortunately, that night it was raining so heavy. There is not a single piece of evidence, not even a boot print.
00:30:48
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nothing. So the individual is able to get away again. And even if they unless someone confesses, they have nothing to go on. Now I'm kind of wondering if this 2002 story had a storm involved. So and the deal is is the kids were so horrified. This guy, I mean, they are they're necking in the backseat of a car. This guy just rips open the car and is bashing them. They can't see his face. They can't even identify who just hit him. Yeah.
00:31:13
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So by the time, eventually here, here, just a little kick in the pants for you, eventually the police were able to get a lineup of victims and they had the correct person in this lineup.
00:31:32
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Due to the statutes of limitation passing, even though every cop in there knew that person was guilty, even though he was correctly identified by his voice by the couple, he was let out without a single consequence for his actions because the statute of limitations had passed. Six years later.
00:31:51
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Kathy is in her neighborhood at her home in the backyard with her son. He's playing. She's watching him like any good mom would do. When all of a sudden three-year-old adorable button-nosed little Michael from down the street comes walking around the corner. And he sees them and he says, hey, can I play? Can I play here? And Kathy's son's name is never mentioned. Doesn't need to be. And Kathy says, sure you can. If your mom says it's okay,
00:32:20
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to which Michael responds with, um, I can't find my mom. I don't know where she is. That's why I want to play here, basically. Wow. So Kathy, who is a good mom, um, says, you know what? Here, mom grabs Michael's hand. Let's go walk and find your mom thinking the little boy was probably taking a nap and the girl, the mom is outside in the backyard working or, you know, global is playing the moms. Something's happened. Easy peasy explanation.
00:32:47
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So, except for, she gets to the boy's house where he lives with his mother, Randy. Randy and her husband have been through a divorce here recently, like not recently, like probably a year ago, but they're one of those couples that were better friends than married. They've stayed very close, like they great co-parent, Randy had just talked to her husband, her ex-husband the night before to say, hey, you're coming to pick him up tomorrow. So, when Kathy walks into Randy's house,
00:33:18
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She stops because the house is covered in blood and something is bad, bad, wrong. So she immediately picks up Michael and runs back to her house to get her husband and they call the police. Um, so the police get there and there is evidence of an extremely large struggle. Blood is literally everywhere. It is.
00:33:45
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All right, so there's evidence of a very large struggle in the house. Blood is literally everywhere. The headboard is covered in blood where her head was smashed. Her head was hit so hard against the wall. Her contact had fallen out of her eye and was found in a puddle in the bedroom floor. I was waiting for you to say there was like brain matter. No. Her car was in the driveway just like the lady before.
00:34:11
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But there's no keys in it. There is a trail of blood through the house outside the house. There's a trail of blood on the trash bag. And there is also some semen on the trash bag. What? Why not? Apparently. I'm so sorry, but there was a. Oh, no, no, no. OK. He he he pleasured himself and decided the best place to release that pleasure was on the black trash bag outside to just ejaculate all over that like an animal. Right.
00:34:40
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because that's what he is. Yeah. You know, I feel like I mean, if it was a white trash bag, he would be a little better. Lisa, the amount of editing I have to do because of your racist content. How is that racist? A white trash bag is better than a black trash bag. Faith, what color has come? OK, well, I didn't take it that way. That was really. Damn it. Really? What the? I have to edit all this shit out. OK.
00:35:08
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Rewind. Let's see. All right. We're back at it. Oh, that just gave me a good stopping point. We just had to edit out a lot because I'm an idiot. No, that needs to get left. No, we can't get left. It has to be the most amazing thing I've ever. Oh, my God. I really thought you were being racist. It was really. I legitimately did. OK, listen, usually I don't mind talking about all this. I'm talking about ejaculation with a new boyfriend here. Kind of awkward. The only reason.
00:35:37
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that you want to edit it out is because I was on the look stupid. Yes. Well, number one, I'm already like I'm talking about some guy ejaculated on a trash bag with him behind me. This is the first time I've met him and I'm talking about that. So, you know, hey, hi, I'm Fay. I like ejaculation on trash bags. Let's move on. OK, that was way more awkward. Good job. You know, it is what it is. That's what my mind friend was when you said a white trash bag and my mind just went to me being racist.
00:36:04
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Apparently. I'm editing all this out. Continue. So, um, police come, they've investigated, they found all this. There is all the police. I'm going to stab you in the eyeballs. Oh yeah. Now you're all, now her phone's down guys. Patrick, I'm about done with you. So there was one investigator at this police department who knew without a shadow of a doubt who's been committing these crimes. Okay.
00:36:34
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I'm assuming it's the same tool bag that was it's the same time now. It is the same peeping Tom. Yeah, it's this neighborhood peeping Tom and The officer is so sure of his gut like he's got a Gibbs gut that he decides Nothing else matters. No evidence. Yep. No, there were no other suspects. This guy did it. That's it So much so that when they went to do a search at this guy's house just to see and
00:37:03
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He gets in the guy's face and says, I know what you're doing, and I'm going to stop you. So he is so single-minded that he has pulled off this case. And they're like, no. Because it's a string at this point. All these murders and all these. So they pull him off the case. And he's actually off the case for a year or two until he's promoted to lieutenant, then puts himself back on the case. His name is Detective David McDavid.
00:37:32
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Why would you name your kid David if your last name was McDavid? He just goes by Mac. It is what it is. Yeah, he's not even important to the story. I just like the name David McDavid. OK. Anyway, so let's see. He did not even though Mac, when he was on the case, was 100 percent sure he knew who it was. His gut knew who it was. All the crimes up to the state, he knew it's this guy. He does not have any evidence to back this up.
00:38:00
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So he can't prove if he's right or wrong. He's jerked off the case. He becomes lieutenant.
00:38:09
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Can we please act like we are not 12 year old boys? You're doing it to yourself. He was he was removed. OK, there you go. He was removed from the case. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, guys, it's going to just it's not me stuttering tonight or mispronouncing every other word, which now I'm going to start. OK, I've lost my spot. He was jacked off the case. That's where he left. Screw you. So in 2002,
00:38:37
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was made lieutenant and he's brought back on the case. Yep. 2002, if you remember, is where we started all this. Yeah, and that was when the 12 year old Courtney. Yep. She's missing. Yep. So that is why FBI profilers, police and FBI immediately on this. Baton Rouge has a serial killer. Not only at this point is Baton Rouge have one serial killer, they've got three.
00:39:04
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Yes, during this time frame that Courtney goes missing, there are three serial killers. Are you kidding me? Nope. All in Baton Rouge, losing a scary dark place. So. Wait, did I get a story from each? No. OK. We're not even done with the list. OK, so I'm going to skip this part because I don't want to tell you who it is yet. We're going to go down some. So we're going to go to the next victim.
00:39:31
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There is a woman who, this gentleman, they don't know each other, but she sees him around town. And this guy starts kind of mini stock Colette Walker. Like she goes to the store. Oh, look, we're both here to get avocados. Is she like a adult or? She's in her twenties. Okay. And so he ends up this mini stalker following her home one day, follows her right into her apartment.
00:40:00
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and starts making crude comments about the ways he can sexually please her. Asks for a beer. And she turns on and she's like, hey, why don't you go? Right, there's the door you walked in, go back out. Bye bye. Peace be with you.
00:40:20
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Okay, I'm not I'm not understanding the situation at all No, because it's not a logical situation closely Would you okay if there was some random dude behind me within a foot of me? Like could just reach out and touch my shoulder following me so close. He was at the store So she probably had bags. She's probably not paying attention when she's walking into her You know, you cannot tell me that you don't feel that presence Okay, if somebody is getting up on my ass when I listen gas station
00:40:46
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It felt like he was breathing on my neck a minute ago when I said the ejaculation word and he was behind me. So, yeah, I get you. Yeah. But people are people are very oblivious when they're doing their own thing. And she's at her house. She's at her space out. She walks in. He literally just follows her. Yeah. OK. So she says, hey, bud, you need to go. OK. And the guy like it's like, OK, here's my number to call me if you want to hook up sometime. Gives her a hug.
00:41:16
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like the most awkward hug and century and then just leaves. So. In her mind, I'm sure she's thinking what he's probably slow. Like, oh, yeah, you know what I mean? Like he's slow. He doesn't have like any any social etiquette or graces like he's just maybe a weird guy that doesn't know boundaries well, well, whatever. We're going to we're just going to count this off to somebody weird.
00:41:46
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Except a few days later, she sees the same man hiding behind a tree by her window. Okay. Watching her. Okay. She was concerned and would have let it pass, but her daughter walks out to get some nail polish out of their car to which the guy looks at Collette who's outside watching her daughter and is like, hey, is that your, is that your girl? Is that your daughter? This is past normal.
00:42:12
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like normal weird person that doesn't know this is your danger I'm calling 911 which is what call it does which female code yeah yeah no I didn't call when he followed me into my house and gave me an awkward hug I'd be like he assaulted my body please take him away yeah actually I would have just beat him but that's fine
00:42:31
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No, you wouldn't. I bet I would. You'd have jumped on the couch and screamed like you did in the snake video. I'd have been like, I'm calling my friend Lisa and she's gonna kick your butt. Just like I usually turn people. Thank you very much. So this time when the police get there, there's actually evidence. They can find boot prints outside of Collette's bedroom window if this guy's left behind. So there's enough to convict the person of a crime. However, he takes a plea deal
00:43:00
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He sentenced probation, and once again, this person is left to wander off without consequences. In February 2000, the man gets into a fight with a lady by the name of Cassandra. He beats her severely. Police are called. The gentleman attempts to flee by running over a police officer with his car.
00:43:23
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which gets him busted, and he's given four years of hard labor a sentence. Unfortunately, he only spends a year in prison, but that's more than this guy's ever gotten in his life.
Murder Spree Linked to Derek Todd Lee
00:43:35
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September 24th, Gina Wilson Green was a no call, no show to work. Her boss, Greg, gets worried because it's not like her and starts calling her.
00:43:45
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At around 1230 that day, she still hasn't called in, she hasn't answered and he says, you know what? I'm taking my lunch, I'm going to her house. They're friends, he knows where she lives. So he pulls up, her pride and joy red BMW sitting in her driveway. She's probably sick. Maybe she fell, maybe she fell and she can't get up. Who knows? So he tries to get in, spare keys missing, he walks around, back doors unlocked. Great. So he walks in the house, he looks around, he makes it to her bedroom and he finds Gina dead in her room.
00:44:15
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calls the police immediately. When they arrive, they start looking into the events that led up to her death. The autopsy revealed that she had been brutally raped and then strangled to death. They followed her cell phone pings like the location she went. They looked up charges on her credit card. They follow all these clues and they find a towel, a bloody towel from her house, just very, very close to where Connie's body was. First lady who died earlier. Right. Why her kid was the LSE boinking trip.
00:44:46
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Um, two days after Gina's murder, a domestic abuse claim is filed against the same man that officer Mack or Lieutenant Mack is sure the whole time he's sure.
00:44:59
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His wife files a domestic dispute against him. He spends one month in prison. He's let out. It's nothing for him. Moves on with his life. January 14th, 2002, Jerry Lynn DeSoto is at home alone when she hears a knock on the door. She's 24 years old. She answers the door and there's a man standing there saying, can I use your phone? Of course, she's a nice girl.
00:45:25
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She goes and gets the cordless. She goes to hand it to him before she can even hand him the phone. He slams the phone, like he busts in the house, takes the phone, slams the phone into her head with such force, he cracked her skull and damaged brain tissue.
00:45:44
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And the 21-year-old was found dead by her husband, Darren. Darren realizes around 6 p.m. the same day. He hasn't heard from his wife all day. She had a job interview that morning because she's just finishing up graduate school. And he really thought he'd have heard from her like, yay, nay, good, bad, nothing. So he attempts to call her house, call her cell phone, can't get in touch with her, rushes home at 6, walks in and finds her lifeless body on the floor. Now, when Darren first finds his wife,
00:46:13
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He doesn't think foul play. He thinks that she has, no, that she has killed herself. Oh, okay. Because she has suffered with major depressive episodes up until this point. I know. So he thinks that she's hurt herself. She's very depressed. She's actually written about taking her own life in her journal for months.
00:46:37
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So when Darren finds his wife, he's pissed, like he's got all these emotions, so he punches a wall and then just starts sobbing and, you know, cradle's his wife, like scoops her up. They can't see my arm motion, so. I know. Whatever. Imagine a scooping with both arms, people. So as he's down there cradling his wife's head, he realizes she didn't kill herself because her neck has been slashed from ear to ear to the point
00:47:05
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of decapitation almost. Okay. So he calls and he calls the police. They get there. Unfortunately for Darren, when he got home, he was angry. Yeah, punch the wall. He's got Bruce Knuckles. His body is covered in her blood from where he was cradled on her. And besides NCIS, Tony De Nozzo.
00:47:29
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Spouse always did it. So for years, he is the main suspect. He is hounded by police because they can't find anything else. They don't know anything else besides this guy. Further, not in his favor, when they read all her journals, they see all these detailed horrific fights that the couple got into that she'd written about. When they came as friends and family, across the board, their relationship is described as volatile.
00:47:58
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And even though Darren never wavered a moment in saying that he was innocent, it was years of intense digging and intense police presence in his life. May 23rd, 2002, Christina Moore.
00:48:12
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Moore, don't know what I was gonna say there, was working through school, college, and went for a run one night and never came back from her run. This is a very, like, she's almost through her master's degree, like, she's doing the thing. Yeah, she's not just gonna abandon post. No, she's got a good life, she's happy. A month later, her body is found, the cause of death is a skull fracture, but guess what? What? It's rained. Uh-huh. Not a stitch of evidence.
00:48:41
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Know who or what caused her death that she slipped on the run? Did she hit her head? Did someone? We don't know. So a week later, May 31st, Charlotte Pace was at home when she hears a knock on the door. She goes to answer the door and guess what? There's a man there. Guess what he needs? A phone. So she goes and gets her phone. And guess what happens when she hands it to him? He whacks her with it. He attacks her.
00:49:11
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just like DeSoto. However, Charlotte is apparently scrappier, I don't know, but she fought back and she fought back hard, which enraged her attacker and he took a flathead screwdriver and stabbed her over a hundred times before violently raping her and strangling her to death.
00:49:33
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When her roommate found her. Damn Faith. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is this is horrible. Yeah, you're great. I know. You do trigger warnings for me anymore. I don't like it. I do not. I put them in the show notes. Listen, it's an explicit contact. It is a true. It is a true crime podcast. What do you think I'm talking about? Bunnies and rainbows, ejaculation and murder.
00:49:53
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Oh, let's get on with that. OK, so Charlotte's roommate comes home, finds her body. The crime scene is he's never coming around me. No, no, probably not. Blame him. So the scene is so bad and her roommate is so traumatized that she she leaves Baton Rouge completely like she's out. July 9th, 2002.
00:50:13
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40 year old nurse, Diane Sanders at home getting ready for work. Her husband's a delivery driver. He's not home. There's a knock on the door. Diane goes to answer it. There's a man outside. He tells Diane, hey, I'm lost. I need directions. Can I use your phone? Diane says, sure. She gets the phone. She goes to hand it. He says, hey, is your husband here?
00:50:40
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Diane says, no, no, he's not. The husband's always there. Same with the attack dog, the dragon, whatever you got. It's there. She says, no, he's not. And just like that, the man flips, charges into the house, grabs her by her throat, threatens her with a knife.
00:50:57
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He attempts to rape her, but apparently was had some performance issues that night. Nice. And in his frustration and anger, takes a telephone cord from the wall and starts whipping her with it. Which from your brother hurt really bad. Apparently your mom did that once we are a little and that was allowed. Frankie deserved it. A hundred percent. If we had home phones, I'd beat him with one right now. Yeah.
00:51:23
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So anyways, let's see. So he starts to. Wow. That was a record of childhood memory. And it just took me back because I remember just kind of being over there like. Silence to me and Michael kind of looking at each other like I could be like, this is this is serious. My quiet little mom. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Every time he tells that story all the time, like it happened like on the rag, whatever.
00:51:53
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Oh, that's awesome. OK, continue. So he beats her with it and then he starts to strangle her with it. Yep. The phone cord. And she is I know I was laughing at the memory. OK, sorry. So she's not going down without a fight. She's fighting back as hard as she can. When one of all wonders, her son walks in the house unexpectedly. How old is that? I doesn't. It didn't really say, but it scared her attacker and he fled.
00:52:24
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Diana's brought to the hospital. My guess is he's he was he's at least high school. He was big enough to be a threat. He's big enough to drive. Yeah, obviously. And Louisiana doesn't breed small boys. No, no, they're they're lumberjack. Yeah, they're big. They're meaty masters.
00:52:38
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If you're a little, you're alligator baked. So she's brought to the hospital for treatment. Unfortunately, she is so traumatized by what just happened. She can give the police nothing, not even a vague description of what the man that just did this to her. On a positive side, police were able to find DNA because there was some semen left behind again on her dress. So a DNA profile was started because we are in the 2000s. July 2002.
00:53:08
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Pam gets home around 9.30 p.m. after leaving from work. She's home alone since her husband's still working. Unfortunately, she has a bad habit. We all have one. I can't ever find my keys on my phone, ever.
00:53:24
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Her Pam's bad habit is when she unlocks the back door, she goes in, closes the door, but the keys are still in said door outside. Nice. Does it help? Good job, Pam. So she goes inside. Damn, that was victim shaming, sorry. That was victim shaming. Yeah, okay. And I'm fixing to victim shame the hell out of some people, so just pause on that. Let me get all that in. Okay. So she starts to get undressed to get in the shower, and she, geez Louise, you're just gonna order the poor man around?
00:53:53
Speaker
Anyway, he's easily trained. He is easily trained. Damn. It took me like five years to get ready to do anything I said. I really hope Scotty never listens to this. Stop it now. I think after everything we talked about, it's safe to say he ain't ever listened to this episode. So anyway, she's getting dressed to get in the shower and she hears footsteps coming down the hall. Right. Now she's instantly terrified because she knows two things. Number one, her son is out of town at a church camp. It's not her son.
00:54:21
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Number two, she talked to her husband on the way home from work. She knows he's working late and not going to be home for a while. Right. So that leaves option number three. There's a complete stranger walking down the hall to her as she is getting ready for the shower. She's forced out of her home at knife point and dragged into a white work truck. We know this because there are two witnesses that sees Pam naked being in this white truck. Yeah. Both.
00:54:51
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see it happening, both call it into the police immediately. So good for them, because that usually doesn't happen. Her husband comes home and it doesn't take a lot of looking around to realize something's wrong, something, there's been some, some things happened. He calls the police.
00:55:06
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Her face is all over the news immediately, because again, how many things have we gone through? Yeah. 92. Exactly. So you told me it was not right. Shut up. Unfortunately, her body is found about a month later. It shows extreme sexual assault. Again, her throat is cut from ear to ear, almost to the point of decapitation. The autopsy actually showed that she was still alive when her throat was cut due to the blood
00:55:34
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that had been rigged into her lungs. One of the witnesses that called in the police that night as a lady, she saw Pam struggling and being forced into the white truck. She wrote down the license plate of said truck, told police this when she called them in. The other man that called in the other witness that night was a truck driver, like the big, you know, honk, honk, toot, toot, 18-wheeler. They can't see my arm, but just imagine you're a kid back in the 90s. Truck drivers don't do that anymore. We tried for a whole two hours.
00:56:03
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Anyway, if you drive a truck, honk at kids when they, when they do your, or Lisa leaning out her window like a crazy person, just honk. I was doing it for my kid. Yeah. So he, the truck driver looks down on this white trucks and sees a naked bound woman flipping out. He calls the police. They have a, they have a full license plate number. You want to know if the police check back in with these witnesses to get any of this information? Oh, naturally. They did not. They did not.
00:56:29
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So 23-year-old Trish Ann Coleman was mourning the loss of her mother who died of cancer a few months previously. She had actually attempted to take her own life, but pulled herself out of her grief, got some counseling, and was legitimately on a path to try to get herself back together.
00:56:55
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On November 2nd, 2002, she is sitting at the cemetery visiting her mother's grave. And no one heard from her again. What? A lot of her family members assumed that she finally like she fell back in. Yeah. Um, however, that was proved wrong when her body was found abandoned amount of mild on the road dead. Um, and there was DNA left on her body as well. So police.
00:57:23
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this whole time are searching for this white man. There was some evidence from a DNA search done that it was a white man. The FBI profiler gave the whole profile, white man, and that completely contradicted who many of the police officers in the area thought did this. They thought it was Derek Todd Lee, who was a black man.
00:57:51
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That is who had the one, Matt, who got in his face like, it is, they think it's this guy. This is the peeping Tom. So who is Derek Toddly? Derek Toddly was born on November 5th, 1968 to Florence Lee, who was only 17. And his dad, Thomas Lee, who, after the birth of his younger sister, peaced out, returned to his ex-wife who had five kids already that were his. They had two more kids.
00:58:18
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He left her and went and got a new lady. Guy has like 10 kids, like just, I can barely manage one there, so no way. Yeah, I don't know how people do that. But honestly, it's not that bad that his dad wasn't in his life because he wasn't the greatest guy. Number one, you're gonna keep just impregnating people and just leaving them. He left a 17-year-old. That's not cool. Yeah. But ends up, he had pretty severe mental health issues and ended up being arrested for attempted manslaughter. So not great role model material.
00:58:47
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I thought manslaughter meant it was like an accident. I know. That's what I thought. And I couldn't find a lot on this. How is it attempt? You know what? That's what I said. We'll dig into that later. Move on with your life. Yes, thank you. So his mom Florence ends up eventually finding Levigan and marries Coleman Varo. He's a hardworking man. He provides a great life for his wife and his stepkids. He spends time with the stepkids like he turns it around for the family.
00:59:14
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Um, they live at, uh, what's it called? Uh, where's it at? What's his name? Varro. It's like Varro, or Lee's quarters. It's one of those, it's like I make fun of Sheena. It's one of those places where the family has like a crap ton of land.
00:59:30
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And everybody that's born in there gets their own plot and like whole areas like a big family thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I make fun of sheen all the time because her husband's like that. Like, I mean, they've got gigantic buccus amount of land out there, but everybody lives out there like spitting. It's on one of her relatives. Yeah. And lost.
00:59:47
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So, I mean, he had a great childhood. No more, he's out in Louisiana. They are playing outside all day long. He has cousins everywhere because they live on the commune for all intents and purposes. They're not allowed inside because in Louisiana, like growing up, that's what you did. I was never allowed inside. You go out and play, stay out of the goalies because there could be an alligator. Besides that, you're good to go. Make sure you have a snake spawner. Don't come back till the start. And that's what this kid did. He hunted, he explored, he had all his cousins, great life.
01:00:16
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Um, and Varro was a good stepdad. He was a little strict, little, um, and relied on physical punishment to correct the kid's bad behavior. But we're not talking about this fluffy time where, um, we do, you know, like that, Oh, maybe we shouldn't. Oh, okay. You want to punch that kid in the face? Go ahead. No, this is a time where if you did something wrong, parents picked you up by your scruff and you got your butt beat. We all know my opinion on go back to the good old days. Yeah.
01:00:45
Speaker
Anyway, so this is, and this is literally the time where like your parents didn't spank you. If you got in trouble at school, your principal got to paddle you. Yeah. Cause I grew up in Louisiana at this time and I fondly remember both of my brothers getting drugged the principal office at least once a week to get their butt beaten. And I knew that meant they got a spanking at the house and I liked it. Yeah.
01:01:03
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Yep, yep, yep. So anyways, sick little girl. But this is not the type of situation we're talking about. OK. Varo's punishments were said to be severe and frequent. The mother Florence tried to kind of keep the peace, but once it got to the point where he's literally going to beat the tar out of these kids. She's out like take your punishment, move on with your life. Right.
01:01:26
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So this guy, Derek Toddly, great childhood besides, you know, act writer, you're gonna get beat. In school, he did not do so good. He struggled constantly. He was constantly behind, resulting in multiple interventions. They took IQ tests and he was very low and ended up having to be enrolled in special education classes. He was frequently bullied because in the kids were, he was dumb.
01:01:56
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kids suck. But he also had a tendency to suck his thumb still at school. Didn't help with the bullying. As he lay, as he laged, as he aged, as Lee aged, there were multiple red flags, if you will. He started peeping at windows at a very early age. It was also reported that he physically abused his dog and her puppies. However,
01:02:23
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Derek Todd Lee realized at a young age that while he may not be adept at schoolwork, he was very adept at talking his way out of trouble and avoiding consequences. So November 8, 1981, three days after he turned 13, he was arrested for the first time for burglarizing the sweet spot.
01:02:44
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It's a local candy store. I'm gonna be honest, when I first read this, I thought it was like a porn store. Yeah. That's where my mind went. Yeah. But it's a candy store. Sweet Spot makes more sense. It's a sweet meat. So he goes to court and gets probation. First offense, normal. I'm sure it ended with a beating from his stepdad. More than likely. But that's just my opinion. So his family said that while growing up, Derek had a temper but would walk away from confrontation most of the time.
01:03:11
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However, when he turned 16, that stopped being the case. He was in a fight with another kid and he had brought a knife out and attempted to cut the other child and was arrested and charged with second degree murder. However, he had no jail time, no nothing, no probation, no consequences, free to go.
01:03:33
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So the window peeping thing continued throughout this time on random houses through his neighborhood. But he was not super selective with who he peeped upon. He even peeped on family members because it's a commune. You just walk over to Aunt Bess's house and look at her wares, if you will. So it got so bad and
01:03:56
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so frequent that he actually attacked a woman right in front of his mother because she was trying to tell his mother, he's trying to look at me while I undress. He got pissed and literally like threw hands at this woman. That's where we are at. He is in like teenage years at this point. So again, he beats this woman right in front of his mother and
01:04:21
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The family members are so upset with him at this point, they call the police and say he will not quit looking at our daughters or wives. He's looking at everyone through a window. You got to do something. Please show up. And he gets off again with not a single consequence. So he doesn't have a lot of friends. Shockingly, he does not have a lot of girlfriends romantically or platonically.
01:04:48
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except for this one that there's always an exception. Jackie Sims is his exception who thought he was a nice guy and they just decided to be friends. She's sweet. She's quiet. Their friendship moves into a romantic territory. He drops out of school as a junior. She finishes 1988. They get married. Nine months later, they have a baby. So he's not there a lot.
01:05:14
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She raises the kid. He's not there a lot because he's at local bars bragging about all his girlfriends and sexual exploits. Oh, he is. Yeah. So their marriage is very rough. Um, they, they, they get into that type of marriage where they basically tolerate each other when they're not around each other and fight like cats and dogs when they're around each other.
01:05:34
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They get in a lot of fights, a lot of violent fights. He actually threatens her dad with a gun once when he tried to step in between them and protect his daughter. Again, no consequences for any of this. This is about the time when he decides that his mom's a problem, starts harassing his mother. Because he says it's her fault that she let Varro physically assault him. He harasses her so much that she calls the police on him.
01:06:04
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He is charged with misdemeanor trespassing, sent us to therapy. He never goes to therapy. Once again, he is brought to jail and let off without a single consequence. So for his job, he does like odds and ends construction. His job travels around back and forth between St. Francisville and Zachary, Louisiana. Well, there you have it. He gets in bar fights, he steals, and he peeps into windows. There you go. Those are his hobbies.
Derek Todd Lee's Arrest and Conviction
01:06:31
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So 26 year old Carrie Lynn is at home one night and her boyfriend comes to check on her after not hearing from her all day. And while she's not there, there's no sign of a struggle. So he's not worried. He becomes worried. And 10 days later, they find her body under a bridge, raped and strangled. She has been punched so hard that her ribs separated and broke away from her spinal column.
01:07:01
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A week before before Kerry's murder, 20 DNA samples had been sent off for a profile. They came back confirming that the police should be looking for an African-American man. OK. Everything that they thought for the past five years was wrong. Mack has said since 1992, Derek Kami Lee is our guy. Yeah, everyone's ignored him. Yeah, he got pulled off the case. Yeah. Several of the police guys said this is our guy. Yeah.
01:07:30
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We've arrested him multiple times, but we've let him go. Because it's a white guy, because a profile said that. You wanna know the kick in the pants? The whole time, they had that original DNA sample from the trash bag in a lockup that they'd forgotten about and never ran it. Back from 1992. So, now that they know that they're looking for an African-American man, the police in this precinct who have said, it's Derek, Tommy Lee, the whole time,
01:08:01
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say we're gonna prove it. We've got this, so they go back to every single case. They get where they know Tommy was at, or Lee, they get the locations where they know he was at, and they start putting all these cases together. On May 25th, they finally have enough evidence to tie him to get a warrant to test his DNA against these 20 samples.
01:08:27
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And they go to his house to re they go to his house. His kids are literally playing in the front yard and they, they show him and he says, fine, you take it. Go ahead. I didn't do anything. Like he is cool, calm and collected. He's not worried. Hey, he's never had a consequence for a thing in his life. Like the Mac even said, like he, I almost second guess my opinion of literally five years because.
01:08:50
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He was so like, just a notch along. Yeah. So they take his DNA. They bring it back. It's him without a doubt. They go to arrest him. He's not there. Of course not. He's not there. Um, that's why he was cool. Come and collect it. He already left. Yeah. He already had a place in his wife and kids in Detroit. He left to go to Atlanta. Bob's your uncle. So his photo is everywhere. His wife sees this.
01:09:16
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And as any good wife, do they protect her? Heck no. 911. That's my husband. He's in Atlanta. Here's where he's working. Here's where he's staying. Good woman. Good woman. And they're like, why is he in Atlanta? And she said, he told us, he told me that some girl was trying to pin like child support on him and we had to split up. Yeah.
01:09:41
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We'll just leave that there. We still got a lot to go. You're listening very slowly tonight. You have a lot of information. Oh, I'm fixing to piss you off a lot in a minute, too. Go ahead. So police, after the wife calls it in, police go to Atlanta. They go to the motel. He's staying. He's not there. They talk to everybody, and everybody's like, he's not weird at all. He's a nice guy. I've got no vibe, super friendly.
01:10:07
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Police set up a perimeter and it doesn't take long to spot him. They didn't about Ted Bundy either.
Courtney and the Serial Killer Connection
01:10:12
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Talking to a woman outside. They arrest him. No muss, no fuss.
01:10:17
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Take him back to Louisiana. He's tried separately for all the murders. For DeSoto's murder, he's given life in prison after one hour deliberation. For Pace's murder, he was given the death penalty was on the table. They brought Diana, the lady who he was attempting, and her son came in. They brought her in to testify against him, which she did. Finally, on October 12th,
01:10:41
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he was sentenced to death and um lethal injection however he did die before that from heart disease so i say all that to say send somebody to death and then you know 45 years later it actually happens i'm just saying now he was his dna was on and he was convicted of like hard proof seven people's murders yeah it's thought up to 17th
01:11:08
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Do you notice whose name was not in all these murders and charges? Get 12. Yeah, that's because she was not one of his victims. Are you kidding me? No, Courtney was not, but that's why the FBI was there. Just long story short. Really? I've sat and listened to this crap for. Yeah, for faith in how long that
01:11:34
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I have faith. Oh, yes, my friend. I replaced your name with the F word. Yes. You are the new F word. Yeah. So that was not who he already knew. I told him when you went inside. Way to go. Way to go. That was not that. But that's why the FBI was immediately there. She was killed
Gerald's Criminal Background
01:11:54
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right in the middle of all this, like in his big build up.
01:11:58
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Derek was, that's when he was killing. They assumed it was part, because while he never went after a child, he went after girls, women, home alone that had children, Jennifer lived alone and had children. So once the police ruled him out as a suspect, they thought that they could know who killed Courtney. And it was none other than Gerald
01:12:28
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Cordelia, her stepfather. Are you serious? Yeah. So why would they the superhero that came as fast as he could? Yeah. Yeah. So Jennifer. And Jimmy, he goes by Jimmy. Gerald met online. She posted her daughter's go cart for sale online in 2001.
01:12:54
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And he responded to that ad and the rest was history. They were married very shortly afterwards. And they moved to Mississippi to live with him because he could not move because he was on parole. So in 1979, Gerald was committed to a psychiatric treatment facility due to being accused of kidnapping and rape.
01:13:16
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And then in 19. Are you kidding me? Oh, no. Then in 1982, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison after pleading guilty to sexual battery. But he was good, so they let him out early. Then in 1999. Not even through his 10 years in prison, he was arrested for kidnapping a woman at knife point. He took her to abandoned building, forced oral sex upon her, followed by raping her.
01:13:45
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Can I
Jennifer's Knowledge of Gerald's Past
01:13:46
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ask a question? Maybe I shouldn't. I'd save your tantrum for a minute.
01:13:53
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Well, I'm only saying that, like, if a guy forced oral sex on me, I'd just bite down. Bite it off! I would just bite down. I would bite until my teeth met in the middle. Yeah. Like a hot dog. Because you get to be like, oh, I'll blow your brains out. But truth be told. I'd rather that than your nasty penile unit that I don't know how often you wash it in my mouth. I mean, bro, that's not even that. I mean, you can't even, like, flick a guy in the nards before he's crumbled over. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Oh, my life is over. Yeah. I'd bite it off. Yeah. His outie would be an innie.
01:14:24
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So he was sentenced to 20 years in prison following the conviction of forcible rape, two counts of aggravated crimes against nature. However, again, he was released for good behavior. Shortly after that release, he meets Jennifer. So Gerald was on parole.
01:14:48
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He finds the go-kart, obviously this woman has kids, purchases it, starts a relationship, and Bob's your uncle, they're married. Now, part of his parole, there was a stipulation where he could have absolutely zero contact with children without parental permission due to being a sexual deviant. Okay. But was any of that like shared knowledge with the woman? You would really wish no.
01:15:15
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So why did Jennifer and the girls move from Mississippi to Louisiana in 2002, December, 2001 around Christmas, um, 11, 12 year old Courtney pulls her mother's side and tells her mother that her stepfather was sexually abusing her. This was supported because one of her older sisters, she had twin older sisters also told their mother that Gerald was raping her as well.
01:15:47
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So the mother did call and report it to the police. And Gerald was advised to move out of the house and have no contact with the family. Now here's my thing. I do not like victim shaming. No, hell no. And people grieve in different ways. And they have a hard time when anything happens to your children. So I try not to parent shame. Yeah. Throw all that out the window. All that out the window. Number one.
01:16:14
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Despite the fact that Gerald had a history of violent sexual assault. She knew this. She knew this. And I'll get to how we know she knows this, but he goes before the grand jury on the two girls that accused him of sexual abuse. He has a history, three known convictions of violent sexual assault. And they decided not to press charges, not to indict him because there was no evidence. It's just their word against his. Yeah.
01:16:45
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But Jennifer was fully aware of Gerald's history because his parole officer met with her and disclosed all the violent sexual assaults he had been arrested for. Kidding me. And she
Gerald's Confession and Jennifer's Role
01:17:00
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still married him and let him around her four daughters, two of which were molested by him. But I was just going to say, like, what are you? So while I usually say we don't blame the parents or family members, come on.
01:17:13
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So and just a just a this is this Israel there is a um on deadline with Tamron Hall episode season four episode nine There's an episode called missing blue eyes And it covers this case and it does interviews with her sisters and her mother and Jennifer um is asked
01:17:35
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by the reporter about knowing Gerald's history. And why would you, if you knew all that, why would you let them around her daughters? And this is what she had to say, quote, he did his time and he changed. He was a different person. His mom and dad and family members let him around. So I thought it was okay. So the question is,
01:17:58
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If Jennifer and the girls move back to Louisiana to get away from this perv, why is he there helping in the search? Yeah. How did he even know Courtney gone missing? Well, that's because since he was not indicted for his crimes, Jennifer thought it was okay to keep in contact with him. The mother. Yeah. Because, you know, she loves him.
01:18:25
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He literally helped them pack their boxes and help them move into their new house. So after multiple interviews with Gerald and FBI profiling getting involved, Gerald ended up confessing and bringing the officials to Courtney's body. It was recovered on November 26, 2002.
01:18:44
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He confessed to kidnapping
Gerald's Sentencing and Execution
01:18:45
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her at Knife Point, transporting her to Mississippi, raping her, bringing her back to Louisiana alive, and then strangling her to death on the banks of the Amy River in Livingston Parish. He kidnapped her, drove her across state lines, so does a federal case. However,
01:19:04
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Louisiana is a magical place. Yeah. Not only do they have great food, they're pretty. Much like Florida just recently did, sexual crimes against children. It does not have to be penetration. Any sexual crime against a child in the good state of Louisiana are capital offenses, so death penalty by death. Yep. Does it have to have any other reason? Yep. So in 2003, before his trial, Gerald escapes.
01:19:35
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He gets out of Livingston prison, Livingston Parish prison, he and another inmate and skip doo-dah-dah, they're free. Fortunately, he is caught very quickly.
01:19:50
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transferred to a weight trial in Angola. OK. Which is the largest maximum state prison. It is surrounded by a swamp. Yeah. The officers have to take a ferry to work. Yeah. And I don't know if you know it's in a swamp in Louisiana, but it's not fun. Well, I was going to say it's almost like.
01:20:07
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It's where pedophiles should go. I'm going to go to the middle of the ocean and just jump in. See what happens. That's what that's what that's what it is. Yeah, it's not sharks, though. No snakes and freaking gators and boars. Yeah. Wowers. It will tusk you to death. Yeah, there's there's nothing there that's pleasurable at all. No, it's the Australia of the United States. I told you once before everything we need to have segregations of prisons for the crimes that they commit.
01:20:35
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This is one of them. Yeah. Good one. Yeah. So he sent there to wait. June 29, 2006. He has tried his defense attempts to argue reasonable doubt stating that Gerald was innocent. He just confessed to protect his wife, Jennifer, Courtney's mother, because she's the one that killed Courtney. Wow. Which while
01:20:59
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That was cut down pretty quick. I say she is equally culpable. He is found guilty of first degree murder. It took less than 38 minutes for the jury to sentence him to death. Louisiana does not mess around with child touchers. So the deal is Louisiana is also a magical place because they've got this great thing where defendants can waive their appeals in a death penalty case. Certain parishes.
01:21:27
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So this is what Gerald did. He didn't want to wait around. He was one of the first to utilize this option. He waived all appeals. So he had to be assessed by two different psychologists. It took around 50 hours to make sure he was mentally competent to make this decision. Even any death penalty, you have to be mentally competent to be put to death.
01:21:45
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After 50 hours, they turned in a 30-page synopsis. They diagnosed him with adjustment disorder due to his incarceration. He wasn't adjusting well. Who cares? He was also diagnosed as being a sexual status with anti-personality disorder. Okay. One of the doctors... Can I stop you for like eight seconds? I gotta ask a question. Yeah. So, we're sitting here talking about a guy who...
01:22:14
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It basically told the state, go ahead and kill me. Yeah, I'm done. I don't want to know. I did it. I'm guilty. And we're like, I'm just over here sitting here like I'm thinking. How many of these people that are out there that are like, no, I didn't do it, not it. Yeah, yeah, you did, right? Yeah.
01:22:32
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And this guy's over here telling you, yeah, I did do it and I probably need to die. Okay. And then we're going to go through psyche valves. And like, if you're crazy enough to do it, well, that's the deal is then why aren't you crazy enough to reap the consequence? Like, yeah, there's nothing in this world that's going to rescue them except one. Okay. Yeah. We won't get religious whenever. Okay. I'm just sitting here thinking to myself, like,
01:23:01
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If it were me, and I lost my shit and I did something stupid, not anywhere to this degree. Okay. But like, let's say like I walked in on somebody doing something bad to my kid and I slit his throat and you're like the consequences death. I'm like, okay.
01:23:18
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happily I will happily happily go anyways that's so yeah so they give their 30-page synopsis to the court the doctor who diagnosed him with personality disorder stated direct quote it's my opinion with a reasonable degree of medical certainty that those are the current diagnosis is anti-social sexual sadism however in my experience these diagnosis are not ones that affects a person's ability to make
01:23:48
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to reason or make logical choices. So basically he's competent. Hang him, hang him high. So
Jennifer's Trial and Consequences
01:23:54
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he was executed January 7th, 2010 at Angola, the lethal injection. And he is currently the last person executed to date, but there's more. So the state of Mississippi said, nah, we're not okay. This isn't how it's going down.
01:24:18
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So we're gonna file felony child abuse due to the failure to protect your child and knowingly allowing your child to be with a violent sexual offender against Jennifer, Courtney's mom. I can't honestly say that I'm disappointed. No. So she is brought to trial and she is convicted in October 2003. Wow. She has sentenced to five years in prison
01:24:48
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Her sentence was suspended and she was put on probation But they still wait it's we're not done with her Her youngest daughter was taken out of her custody to go live with her dad her older two daughters that were twins already lived with their dad So while she did not have jail time, I do think it is a good precedent. They sat there I agree not only that you know how I love a sassy judge and
01:25:12
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Oh yeah. Love a sassy judge. And the judge presiding over Jennifer's case was not satisfied with this conviction. And he's my kind of people. So he ordered that every single year on Courtney's birthday, Jennifer had to write a letter to Courtney, her daughter.
01:25:34
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and tell her all the way she felt her as a mother and turn it into court every single year. Are you kidding me? So even if this woman like gets help and grows as a person, she's still mentally every year on her daughter's birthday has to write her daughter a letter explaining all the way she felt her as a mother and turn it into the court or she's
01:25:58
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I think that is a good. It is so twisted, but at the same time, grow the F up. Like, that's amazing. Like, you face what you did and you never forget what you did is what the judge said.
01:26:13
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Basically, you will never ever literally her jail time, which you should have had. You can't say I made mistakes. I was it.
Jennifer's Annual Letters to Courtney
01:26:21
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You will remember this for the rest. No, you literally full willingly got into a relationship with a man that you know was a pervert. And just allowed it to happen every year. That's on you, bro. Every year on your daughter's birthday, you will remind yourself how you failed. You reap what you sow. I think.
01:26:40
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That is like out of all the punishments, wow. Like I've never heard of that and I think it's awesome. But here's the thing though. For somebody like you or I, that would mentally torture us forever. But if you're already like a whack job, you'd just be like, yeah, I'll write your letter. But I don't think she was. Like when her brother got hurt, she immediately went. She reported him to the police.
01:27:10
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I think she was naive. I think she was a single mom that wanted help. I think she made bad decisions. I don't think she was a good mom. I do think her kids should be taken away. And I do think she should have to remember how she contributed to her daughter's death and painful death of that. And that is how she'll have to remember her daughter for the rest of her day. So that's my case.
01:27:36
Speaker
But there's more. You sick for if Courtney's case isn't just a kick in the teeth. Both of these cases are kicks in the teeth. Yeah. Because Derek Tommy Lee, the Baton Rouge serial killer, yeah, should have been put away 100 times and continue to get away with not a not even a slap on the wrist. Right. I left out all the domestic abuse he got called in on all these things. Yeah.
01:28:05
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Should've been put away a hundred times, wasn't. And all these women died because of it. This mom knew full well that she was letting a predator in her house. Two of her daughters paid the price, won the ultimate price. So it's all that's not just a kick in the pants, because it is. Here's the deal. I don't wanna go here. Two weeks, two weeks before Courtney's death.
01:28:33
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They're moving into their house and Gerald is there at the house fixing the house up because he's an electrician. So he's working on their house because they're still married. They're still in contact. And he ends up electrocuting himself so much that his heart stopped.
01:28:52
Speaker
Do you want to take a wild guess at who performed CPR on this man until the ambulance showed up? If you tell me it was the 12 year old daughter, I'm going to. Courtney, it was Courtney who he'd already sexually abused. She forgave him and I'm sorry, you sexually abused me. I'm going to let you sit there and and twitch till you stop twitching. Yeah. She performed CPR on him till the paramedics got there. And two weeks later, he repaid that by sexually assaulting, raping and strangling her to death.
01:29:23
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Can you believe that? And no faith. I can't freaking believe that. Just to tie it all in. Just tie everything together with a nice bow on it for the end of the night. Fun fact. The whole time Gerald was in death row at Angola.
01:29:44
Speaker
Guess who his cell was, his cell neighbor, because in death- If you tell me it's Lee, I'm gonna- It is! You stupid mor- They were, they were side by side first! You are the friggin worst! Yeah, Derek Todd Lee was, not Tommy, I don't, I called him Tommy the whole time. Derek Todd Lee was next door in the cell on death row to Gerald. Just sat there, talking about all their- Oh.
01:30:10
Speaker
So that's my case. That's my case. I'm done. I'm going to go watch some like David, the gnome or Smurfs or something. I don't like you. It was not great. No, it was not great. Yeah, you suck. Yeah. But there's a good case. That was great. Did I throw you off with a serial killer? There really were three serial killers active in Baton Rouge. There was the Baton Rouge. I'm just sitting here thinking to myself, like,
01:30:39
Speaker
He gave me an entire backstory on a guy that wasn't even the convicted one. No. So, yeah, you're. But I thought it was interesting that they ended up rooming next to each other after. Well, of course they did. Yeah. So anyway, it's got to be that fun little tidbit.
01:31:00
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That's when I saw that they roomed together. I was like, well, now I got to tell his story. They thought it was him. They roomed together beside each other. No, that was good. You had me going. I really thought I was like, oh, you mentioned three. But you're telling this story. So it's got to be him. And then you're just like, oh, let me just bang you real quick. Yeah, no, it wasn't him. You're the worst. But it's still a good story. I can't believe that mom deserved it.
01:31:29
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that
01:31:48
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You can be manipulated into a relationship where people don't show their true colors until later. Yeah, right. But if you're told up front, this is what both of these guys showed their true colors from the get. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So like as a woman, I don't care how desperate you are. They make toys for that, bro.
01:32:08
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I'm just saying, like, I think it was financial, but you know what? It doesn't even it's irrelevant. Like you don't put your your kids in that kind of a no, no. Over my dead frickin body. No. Yeah. I live in a tent first. A hundo. All right. Well, guys, Faith is a whore. And this was a great night. Because she's a whore.
01:32:34
Speaker
And we will talk to you next week. We will. Probably with a new co-host, cause Lisa sucks. Only when begged. Oh, geez. See now. Okay. I'm sorry for that. She's despicable, guys. You know this. I am just trying to retort from you. You've been trying to replace me since we started. She's statement. Bye. Bye.