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Joy & Scott - The Astrology Episode
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It was going to happen sooner or later - let's talk astrology! Joy is an amazing woman and serves as my guide into the world of natal charts, astro-cartography, and finding love when your seventh house is in Scorpio.
music "Lofi & Love" by NottyVonDutch https://soundcloud.com/nottyvondutch Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Wish You All the Best' Podcast
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Welcome back to wish you all the best personal podcast about modern dating. I'm your host Scott Simmons.
Guest Introduction: Joy on Astrology and Dating
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My guest for this episode is Joy, and she's here to talk about astrology. I wanted to do this pod because I always have such a fun time
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talking with her about astrology. I'll say I'm probably chucking to know when I'm an astrology skeptic, I guess I would say. But I always have a really fun time talking with her about it.
Astrology's Role in Modern Dating
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Um, and it's definitely something that you run into in the dating world. Um, and I think at least for me, um, you know, I, it's something that sort of, I think divides men and women or like maybe not divides, but it's something that is definitely different. I think between men and women, um, on the apps, um, or at least the astrology women, um,
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And, you know, I like to kind of demystify the different experiences in dating between men and women. So in a way, this sort of felt like part of that. But this conversation also, I think, kind of, you know,
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dips into deeper stuff, as I think astrology does. So anyway, I hope it's a fun episode. We do get a little bit into my astrology chart stuff. I hope that's not boring.
Podcast Sound Quality Note
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Yeah.
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The last thing I'll say is we did record this while Joy was in town, which is lovely to get to see her. We did record this with one mic. So if the sound is a little, if we sound a little off unbalanced, I think I was a little bit further away from the mic than I often am. But I hope it's, I hope you can still hear everything. And yeah, I hope you enjoy the episode. Thanks for listening.
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Okay, awesome. Hello, Joy. Welcome to Wish You All the Best. Thank you for being on the podcast. Oh, thank you so much for having me. Okay, so we are here to talk astrology. Yes. Okay, so I think the reason that I'm interested in this, or the reason I think this is kind of a fun thing to talk about with regards to dating,
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Um, is that there are a lot of women on, I mean, there are a lot of women in the world, but you do find a lot of women on the dating apps who care a lot about astrology. And I would, I would guess that you find far fewer men that are like into astrology. Right. Do you agree? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, um, I guess like to, to, to like an overview of like things and we can talk about whatever, but like, I am kind of interested in like, like from a guy's perspective,
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or like why it's interesting to me is just like it's not always clear to me how a man on the apps like or just someone dating like should it should deal with astrology or like should what's the right way for a guy to approach it when you're like really into astrology you know what I mean
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Yeah, I don't think there's one right way to approach it.
Understanding Relationships Through Astrology
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I mean, I see it as similar to any other interests you may have. Like, for example, I've dated people who have like
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tried to explain how a car transmission works to me or who are very into football and they want to like watch a football game, you know. And so
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or anything, NFTs, whatever it is. There's no male equivalent to astrology, because I think there is. Okay, I see you're maybe pushing back on that a little. No, no, no, I think it's interesting. But what I would say to that is a lot of astrology, and a part of why I think astrology is...
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is interesting, and we should also get into this, but like, astrology is about people. It's about ways of understanding ourselves, ways of understanding other people, ways of understanding relationships, right? If you date somebody and they're super duper into the Green Bay Packers, they're not gonna, you know, they're probably not gonna be like, you're a Raiders fan, sorry, it's not gonna work out.
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But you might have to, you know, there may be expectations like certain social expectations and like time expectations, right? Of how you're spending your time. And so if someone is like very into a certain, um, whatever it is, right? Yeah. And we all have hobbies, we all have interests and you know, there's some sort of Venn diagram where you want like a healthy amount of overlap in your interests, but then it's also healthy to have different interests and to find, um,
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different friends, right? And to not expect your partner to fulfill all of your needs.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I think it connects a bit to that. But an aspect that I think is important in terms of like, well, how to deal with astrology girls is like, OK, like, let's say I'm starting to date a guy and he's very he really likes football. Yeah. And I cared zero about this. Right. Could not like care less. But I'm not going to be like, oh, well, that's so stupid. So you're just like watching grown men get concussions like that's what you do. But some men like maybe like
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come with that energy, right? So I would say the main thing is just don't be a jerk just because someone is into something that you aren't into.
Astrology as a Bonding Tool
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I love the don't be a jerk advice, but I do think astrology is
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potentially unique in terms of like a hobby and I'm with you like I definitely at least for me personally I am looking for a relationship where you know what my partner is like doesn't have to love all the things I love but like might be interested in learning about it right and I really enjoy learning about things my partner's into right
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When different people are different ways. Some people are very much like, I want my alone time. You do your thing, I'll do my thing. I don't care. And like that for them is what a healthy relationship looks like. Definitely not judging that different people are different. Right.
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The thing that I think is interesting about astrology is like, astrology is, at least much of it is about relationships, right? Like when you encounter a, in quotes, astrology girl, she will often want to know your chart so she can figure out if you're compatible or there's a lot to unpack there, but like a piece of it is to understand how two people connect. And when you're in a dating app, it's very,
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Well, it happens. Like people want to know, like people want to run your charts and find out like before you even do a FaceTime to find out if you're compatible, they want to know like what, you know, the pattern or a co-star or whatever app they use. It's not co-star. We don't use co-star. Is that, I don't know. Um, actually one of my dear friends works for co-star. So I can't, we love co-star. It's so cool. Right.
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You know what I'm saying? Because astrology feels like it does inform how you understand relationships, it does, it sometimes to me anyway, it feels like I need to be careful about how I'm approaching astrology when I'm talking to somebody to whom it's a very, very important thing. Does it make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. And what's coming up for me with this is
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Well, it's advice. It's I think advice for like men. It's advice for astrology girls and also the people who love astrology girls, which is to say. You know, and we kind of put this as something else we could like potentially talk about later, which is girls being sneaky to find birth dates, which is its whole own thing, but.
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um I would kind of look at it as like it can actually be um a bonding uh exercise you know to um to look at someone's chart so I'd say like the the ideal way in a way would be like
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whether it's a friend or whoever it is, like even like someone in your family or yeah, someone you're dating, it can actually be very, very connecting and illuminating to like go through a chart together and you're reading it and say and saying like, well, this is kind of saying, you know, this about you. Do you think that's true?
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And that kind of gets into like, well, why do girls love astrology so much? And I think women generally have a deep desire for intimacy. And a lot of astrology is about intimacy. It's saying like, like, if you're asking someone's like sun, moon and rising, you're saying like,
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why I want to know how you present yourself in the world. I want to know the way you process your emotions. I want to know your identity and the way you love and the way you act when you're angry. That's really what it is when you're asking someone's birth chart.
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So, um, my advice for like astrology girls would maybe be, be less sneaky and just actually do this as more of like a conversation. If, if the person is open to it, because that's the thing, like,
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I think dating as a woman, a lot of men, at least in my experience, are not unnecessarily open to much emotional intimacy, not just related to astrology. And I'm sure there are women who are the same, right? Lots of people. I think you're right. I think it's fair to say in general, men are not as good at emotional intimacy.
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Well, not that they're not as good, but you know, there's fear and we have, we have walls and scar tissue. And, um, so astrology is just like one, one method of this, but you know, there are people who have struggled with eye contact, you know, there, there are like, um, a lot of ways in which someone might not feel comfortable, like going that deep.
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not everyone has a water moon. But yeah, so I would say the main things is like, yeah, if someone has a different interest than you, like be nice about it, be curious about it. If you are kind of, if you are an astrology girl,
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try to chill a little. Easier said than done. And then, yeah, if you are interested in astrology, well, if you're into a girl or a boy, whatever, and they're into astrology, I would say
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Yeah, it's a great sign if they're asking for your birth chart. That means they're curious about you and they're feeling feelings. You don't bother to do that for someone who you're not into. So it's honestly a great sign if they're asking for that. They're interested in you. They want to know how your mind works. They want to know about experiences you've had.
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So that can be actually if you're, you know, open to it with this person can be a really like great vehicle to create like intimacy and to yeah, talk about feelings. But obviously. Maybe you're not like open to that with with every single person, and I think it's like OK to set boundaries or change, maybe change the conversation or redirect or
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you know, add like a little bit of like, um, levity because that, and that's the other thing too. Like astrology should be fun. Like women love astrology because astrology is so fun, you know? And like, it's just like, it's very enjoyable for a lot of people. So, um, yeah, it should be fun. Yeah. I love all of that. Um,
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Okay, women love it because it's fun. Yeah, because I do think it's because I don't really I understand at a high level that like a lot of women like astrology because I've moved through the world and I met women and most of the people who are really into astrology that I've met are women. And and I guess I'm just kind of like curious. So is it just that it's fun? Is it does it like is it is it
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Is it because it's more in tune with relationships, with understanding other people, with like emotional intimacy, that that's what makes it appealing to women where it's maybe not as appealing to men? Does that make sense?
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Yeah, it does make sense. I think that is where it's coming from. I think women tend to be more interested in having these deep conversations about feelings and about past
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past experiences and are just maybe generally, you know, more open minded, more open minded to those things and maybe more connected to intuition and the feminism, not feminism and the feminine and like mysticism and all of that, like juicy fun things.
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Do you think, I mean, is astrology like connected to, and like talking about like the feminine is a whole rabbit hole. Do you think like, do you feel like astrology? I mean, I guess, duh, like you would say astrology is connected to the feminine.
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But is that right? I don't know. I would guess that's true. In terms of if you're looking at it in a kind of yin-yang sort of way, right? Where you're going in tune, getting into that deep ocean energy. Maybe I've lost you with this a bit. No, no, no. I'm hanging on. I'm hanging on. Well, because let me ask it another way.
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is a guy who's into astrology less masculine. Like right now there's a big, I mean, in like the discourse, there's a lot of people asking questions about like, are the guys okay? Like what is masculine? What does healthy masculinity look like, right? And like, if a guy was really into astrology,
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Does that make him, is that masculine? Can that be a part of masculine? Well, we all, I mean, we all have aspects of the masculine, the feminine, so it's not just like, this is for boys and this is for girls, you know? Like, we all have different sides of ourselves and everyone has elements of masculine and feminine, hopefully.
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unless you want to just be a walking stereotype. We're complex. We're complex humans. And even though a lot of that might be repressed in society, it's still there. And I think we all
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pretty much have this like desire to be, you know, known, known intimately and like to let, you know, I think we all at some level have this desire to like witness life and be witnessed. But what gets in the way is all the pain and all the, you know, where you open yourself up to someone and then
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It hurts. Sometimes it hurts, right? But underneath that, I think we all do have a desire to be witness and to have our lives be seen and to share in that. I love that. For me, to see and to be seen, to understand someone else, I think that's the coolest thing you can do. I think humans are super fascinating.
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Yeah. Do you? And I don't know. I don't mean to like put you on the spot and make you like the voice for all the voice. Yes. But like would you? So so it sounds like we can sort of roughly categorize astrology into feminine energy or whatever we're going to call that. Would you? Intuitive energy, maybe intuitive, a little bit mystical. OK, so like so not feminine or yeah, whatever. OK, it could be feminine.
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Okay, okay, okay. I guess like just my shot in the dark guess, I would kind of do the same thing. I would kind of clump those together. Would you also put like seeing and being seen, like that understanding and being understood thing in the feminine cluster of stuff? Do you know what I mean? Is that a weird question?
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I think I think that that's a more a more gender neutral sort of thing. But I think I guess all of this has been kind of it's more been polarized by like society in in a way. Yeah. Yeah.
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So it's hard to say what that would be like without the lens of our modern society and all the bullshit and everything. It's hard to say what life would have been like when we were sitting on the earth weaving baskets in a circle. Right. OK. Well, OK. OK. So we can wander a long way down that rabbit hole. But that's a good start.
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I guess what I would say about that is, I don't know.
Astrology's Emotional Resonance
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We have gone through my chart. We can go through my chrono. There's some stuff you want to do with my chart, which I'm very excited to do. I'm definitely going to do that. I've gone through a bunch of this stuff. I've downloaded various apps. I basically, I downloaded CoStar because my friend worked there, who I love very much. And when you're on the apps, you do run into somebody who's going to be like,
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they want to know your birthday so they can do the compatibility. So I got it and I just like took a screenshot of my chart and I just had it so that I could like send the pic to someone to be like here.
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Um, without like giving them my birthday, right? Right. Um, just cause that's, I don't know that worried about it, but like, yeah, you don't want to just be giving out your, your birth date and place to strangers. I agree with that. Yeah. That seems like, I don't know. But then I also, so I also like would say, you know, going back to the point earlier, like if, if it's someone you're really, okay, there's a few camps, like, like, let's say it's someone you're like not that into or someone you're only interested in connecting with maybe more like
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casually or sexually. Just say, just be like, I don't really know my chart, but I have a lot of Scorpio placements and just leave it at that and move on. If you're saying that, doesn't that imply that you know what that means? I don't even know that. I'm not sure I know what that means. You could just be like, oh, I'm not sure, but I think I've got a lot of Scorpio.
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Okay, so I would say my experience with astrology, if I'm honest, is that I don't know that I believe that the positions of the heavenly bodies impact my personality or my universe, but every time that somebody reads me something from an astrology thing or describes me as a Pisces with one of my Taurus moon, Taurus rising. You're a Taurus rising. Thank you.
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Um, and they start like telling me like, this is what that person is kind of like. I pretty easily find a way to be like, Oh yeah, that's, that's me. Right. And I don't know if that's like, you know what I mean? Like. Like how much of it's just general and could apply to anyone, perhaps.
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Yeah, or it's just my mind like taking the cue and saying like, Oh, I can see myself in that light. You know what I mean? Like we contain multitudes, right? Anyway, so I would say, I mean, would you agree? Like, I would say that's kind of my experience with astrology. Is that close to my, I don't know, am I wrong?
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Well, I think the reason, too, why a lot of people are interested in astrology is because they do resonate with what they're reading about themselves. Or if you go on the pattern or something, you're like, oh, wow, that is me. Or you're reading about someone else. And it really does seem quite accurate. And so I think that's why a lot of people resonate with it. And then also kind of the aspect of planning. I mean, it's all in a way like trying to make sense of an
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incomprehensible world and you know and trying to like yeah it's it's like a way of understanding i think um yeah well i would drill even a little deeper than that or or maybe a little more specific because like and we were talking this before but like
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What we were just talking about, seeing and being seen, being understood. If you can read an app and you told it your birthday and birthplace and it's telling you things that feel true to you, in a way, I think that can feel like being seen. You can say, oh, this system understands me. And it feels ancient, which I think adds a little extra good stuff to it because it feels like it's been there for a long time and therefore true.
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um right but like but whatever like even if it was even if somebody invented astrology two months ago if i gave it my birthday and it's telling me things about myself that like make me feel seen that is i think scratching a very deep important need to be seen right and so i i guess i see like the way that i think i have enjoyed astrology is that
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It facilitates conversations around people, around relationships, where the terminology or the vocabulary to say like, our connection feels kind of like this to me, right? Where I might just not have like the words. Exactly. It's like it's own little language. It is, yeah. Yeah.
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I guess it's the only one to say about that. Yeah. Well, I totally agree. And I think, you know, when you're kind of run other people who have an understanding of astrology, you do kind of get into these like discussions that would sound kind of incomprehensible to someone else because it is kind of like its own little language and shorthand. But, you know, it can make it. I think that's another thing that's like why it's really fun and enjoyable to
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like why the girls love astrology so much and to talk about it with each other is because you can like kind of move fast and like convey these like deep meanings and these deep like energies and like just you know the vibes of things and like
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In in like a in like a quick way, you know Yeah, like I could say, you know It's it's like I could say to a friend like that, you know, your moon is in cancer and they immediately Get the vibe. Oh my gosh. The vibe is Understood. Okay, and so it just becomes a shorthand in a way Okay, you know, yeah, I do. Um
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Yeah. Okay. So I do. Okay. So, so let's, can we, can we go to the tweet? One time you told me this joke that was that you showed me, just tell me about this meme, which I think is why we're doing this podcast. I think that's right. Yeah. I think this, this tweet has been like engraved in your brain. Do you want to, do you want to, do you want to read it? Okay. All right. So, so this is a meme, um, that I shared with Scott because I think it's important for us to, um,
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show things to each other from different algorithms. Okay, this is from Megan, she's most of virus on Twitter. Whenever I meet a straight man who knows his moon and rising, I know he's been ran through. So this really impacted you.
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Okay, this is what's going on here, right? Like, yeah, let's break it down. Yeah, let's get into it. Let's get let's unpack this. So like, it's funny, but like, it is like,
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astrology is a girl thing right and this is basically saying like if a guy knows too much about astrology he's he's dated too much and he's he's understood too many astrology women for the streets he is for the streets he's he's not datable material he is or something right yes um well not not datable but just you know okay he's been around he's a slut it's fine we love slides yeah we're not slut shaming here um right but like
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I would say in general, I think it would be good if men waving my arms gesturing at half the planet, but if men in general got better at
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talking about emotionally intimate things. I think I'm a guy who tries to be good at that and I'm still not very good at it. I don't think that's true. You're very kind. But you know what I mean? I think there are a lot of things about being a man.
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that those walls you're talking about maybe those scarves but like there are a lot of things that tell us like if you talk about this or if you understand this or if you have a facility with this that makes you less masculine makes you less of a man and that can feel like a very dangerous thing right right because like if i'm especially now and talking about dating like if i'm less of a man i feel like that impacts my ability to like find a partner and find someone who's going to see me and be seen by me and like
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to have that very important relationship. Yeah. Fine, to find that, right? And so the funny tweet is like,
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It's at the same time coming from a place of like the astrology women Understand these things have the facility to talk about these emotionally into the things which is awesome and good But it's also saying like if a guy knows too much about this. No, he's not he's Yeah, he's we're not such aiming, but he's he's ran through I mean like do you do and I guess we can maybe pivot to like astrology guys if you want but like Yeah
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like what does it mean if a guy is into astrology or like what is it I don't know do you know guys who are into astrology yeah um yes I well I think for one you know it is it is just a meme and so I think you know Megan probably when she was tweeting this um you know
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in 2020 was not necessarily, she probably wasn't thinking we'd be dissecting it three years later. Doing academic breakdown of her tweets. This is not her article in The Atlantic about, yeah, that's right. No. And so I don't think that, I think actually most astrology girls would be excited. Really? Yes. Okay. But would they maybe think he's
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perhaps been with a lot of people, maybe, maybe, or at least one, or at least like, it's a side, you know. Yeah. Would it make him less masculine? No. Okay. No, I don't think that's no.
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almost in a way the opposite. Really? Well, not that it's like more masculine. I think it just like, it's like, oh, it just, it's just, it doesn't actually mean that much. I don't think people like read too much into it. I think it's just, um, at some point, like, it's just like, you know, we all learn so much from like partnerships and this, that could be like its whole own, like that would be a really cool thing for you to get into sometime on this podcast. But like,
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I think we all need to, if you're in a relationship, I think it's good to send some love to your partner's exes because they trained that man or woman in some regard, you know? Like we get into relationships and sometimes, I mean, you know, there can be negative aspects, but also like we learn so much. I would say like, I've probably like learned more from relationships than like anywhere else in a way.
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Astrology's Rising Popularity
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and it changes you and okay and so this has been a tangent but i think like you know if i'm yeah like we're saying like if he's knowing his moon and rising it's just a sign like oh an astrology girl has been here you know yeah it's just a kind of a sign kind of a sign of that but that's not but that's not bad necessarily that's fair that's very fair um
00:29:48
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Okay. But you know what I mean? Like the question, uh, well, no, that's good. I like that. I like that. Um, I think the next point. Yeah. Do you want wire astrology? Okay. So you put this on the outline as a joke, but I will say that like, I do think there's a general correlation between like, you know, like there are women on the dating apps who are just like,
00:30:14
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You know, Instagram hot, right? They're just, they're like, they work out seven days a week and spend, who knows how much money and time like being that.
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social media ideal of like bikini hot whatever right it's like a it's like a profession for them mostly they're on the dating apps i think to get you to go to their instagram because like they're doing this for a living because it takes them like eight hours a day to be distracted right okay these people in my experience are super into astrology and like as you as you veer towards that end of the spectrum yeah i think your correlation with astrology increases yeah the baddies love astrology the baddies love astrology why is that
00:30:55
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Well, a few things. It's interesting because when I put this as a joke on the outline, I wasn't meaning that astrology girls are hot like their Instagram models. That wasn't what I had in mind, but maybe we have different tastes in women. That's very fair.
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What I think is the answer to this is, well, one, and this is a whole other thing, a lot of younger people like astrology, younger women like astrology, and as we talked about a little bit off the pod,
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you know, there's that that bias right towards like younger women. So I think and I don't have the data to back this up, but I think probably more women in their 20s are interested in astrology than women in their 40s, you know, and so there's that little bias where it's just like very popular with younger women.
00:31:57
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Anyway, but to sort of say explicitly what you're talking about, and I talk about this, I think it's a really big deal. As a society, we value women for being young. We tell women that they are beautiful when they look young, right? And we tell men they're valuable, not when they're youthful, but when they're successful. A lot of other factors, but I think that's the biggest gender disparity, right? And you're right.
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Like if younger people are into astrology, you might get other women who see astrology as like a youthful thing. Do you know what I mean? You've lost me a little. Are you saying that they would become astrology girls because they're like being pick me girls and they want male attention?
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not necessarily pick me, but just like, because I mean, I don't think it's like they're trying to be young. Well, yes, but I don't think that necessarily makes you a pick me. I think like there's just like a societal pressure on women to like, be young.
00:33:05
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I mean, okay, I don't know if I like, I don't know if anyone's like getting into astrology to be like, that's like, I think a guy would do like, but no, I don't think any women are like trying, are getting into astrology to like, seem more attractive to men. If anything, it's the opposite. Well, no, what I mean is women hide there that they're into astrology.
00:33:25
Speaker
You know, okay. Okay. Well, I mean, but I mean, like not not even necessarily through the lens of like trying to attract a man, just through the lens of like, how do I want to be in the world? Yeah, like they might feel drawn to world, you know, we're all drawn to different things, because we see ourselves as like,
00:33:43
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You know what I mean? You get into something because, well, I don't know. It seems to me plausible, and again, this is a fact-free podcast, so we don't have any data backing this up. But it seems plausible to me that a woman might see astrology as a youthful thing, because I think you're right. I think younger people are sort of more into it.
00:34:03
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and they might see it as a youthful thing and therefore be attracted to it because they like to think of themselves as youthful because I think society puts so much pressure. I don't think that's actually what's going on. Okay, interesting.
00:34:19
Speaker
I think astrology, it's just very fun, but it is like kind of trending now. And so there's more, I think there's more astrology content out and about now than maybe was previously. And so I think that's just more people are getting exposed to it, but it's always been around. I mean, you know, it is like kind of ancient things.
00:34:39
Speaker
I remember, I remember my aunt, my mom's older sister had this computer program that would do your chart. And this was like when I was a kid. So this is like a big, like not a flat screen monitor, like a big chunky monitor with like a modem that made the noise. I'm too young to know what this is. No, I'm not. Was your aunt a baddie?
00:34:59
Speaker
She's totally a baddie. She's awesome. She's an amazing human being. That's a weird question. No, it's a good question. And yeah, she had this computer program that would do your astrology chart and it just big circle all the lines on it. And I remember looking at that being like, this makes absolutely no sense. Yeah. Shout out to my Aunt Linda.
00:35:20
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Shout out to Linda. Well, okay. So my theory, I mean, why I think astrology girls are so hot, but I don't necessarily see in like the Instagram way, but like just general, like attraction and like magnetism is I think there's like,
00:35:35
Speaker
a lot of women who are into astrology, you know, there's, like we talked about before, the connection to the feminine. And I think a lot of attraction, you know, a lot of people like would agree or would like theorize that a lot of attraction, even in same sex relationships is about polarity. And so polarity creates sparks in a lot of the time.
00:36:02
Speaker
You know, is that kind of like opposite the track? Yeah, exactly. And so I think there's something like very Can be attractive for for a lot of men especially like maybe even astrology haters, you know Where like maybe they're not into it, but they're You know, you might want to be like in in your masculine, right and then find fine, but you still You like women even though you don't
00:36:29
Speaker
you don't want to like necessarily be exactly like them. Like you can appreciate that polarity. And so I think there's this connection to the feminine. A lot of astrology is about, you know, it's about the seasons and the passing of time. And there's this kind of like primal earth energy to it.
Astrology and Earth Energies
00:36:48
Speaker
And I think that in my opinion, I think those things are very sexy. The seasons of passing in time and earth energy. Wait, what?
00:36:57
Speaker
Yeah. Well, okay. Okay. I lost you a bit. Um, I think, you know, astrology, right? It's a, it's a movement of the planets and it's very, very elemental. And it like kind of like hearkens back to a time before technology where gazing at the sky was a much like bigger hobby than it is now.
00:37:20
Speaker
Now we're in our boxes, in our fluorescent lighting. We're very disconnected from the earth, from the sky, from the elements. And a bit of astrology, and there's a big, I would say overlap with other interests as well. But let's keep it on astrology. There's something elemental about that and primal and going back to our
00:37:47
Speaker
ancestral lineage in a way. And I think, I don't know, for me, I think those things are sexy. Like it just feels like fundamentally true. It feels like deep in a way. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. And elemental. When you say elemental, what do you mean?
00:38:05
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connected to the elements, the earth, the sky, the water, those good things. So does that mean connected to the components that create the reality we live in? Or what is that?
00:38:19
Speaker
Um, yeah, well, I was, I was mean, like, like those, like, like the literal, like not the periodic elements. Well, yeah, the periodic elements as well. Like, there's something like, okay. I guess my point, my point to like, bring it, bring it back a little is that, you know, people who are into astrology, who are into like mysticism of various forms are more likely to be
00:38:46
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maybe like getting getting out of their heads a bit and into their body and into these things that they don't have to like necessarily um they can just get into that intuitive that feeling into that um body space more as opposed to that like we're only thinking of things purely logically and we're in our you know
00:39:09
Speaker
Yeah, in our, in our like, just online worlds, I think, so I think there's a big overlap, overlap there with people who are interested in astrology and maybe being able to get more into your body and be open minded and try different things. And I think those are all, in my opinion, I think in the opinion
00:39:30
Speaker
of a lot of other people like sexy qualities. Totally. I totally get that. That makes sense. Like doing things that make you feel, yeah, like feel in touch with your body. Like it's hard to, I mean, I think intellectual connection is an important component of intimacy for me, but it's like,
00:39:47
Speaker
it's hard to be it's hard to feel that pull only from like an intellectual understanding like you want to feel that romantic chemistry with someone like from in your gut in your heart down here you know and i i always think this and
00:40:03
Speaker
But we are we are animals, like we pretend we're not animals. Right. But we're just we are apes. Yeah. And we're animals. And we have like these like primal drives. And we have we are not only ourselves, but we're all like the story of our ancestors as well. And so we have these there are some things in us that are are deep and primal.
00:40:26
Speaker
and ancient, and I'm not saying that astrology is necessarily a deep primal thing, right? But I think there is a big overlap between astrology girls and women who are willing to go there, willing to get into that depth. Got it, got it, got it. To me, that's a super sexy trait. Totally. Yeah. Totally. I get that.
00:40:55
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah. Okay. Do you, do we want to do my chart? Yeah. If you're, if you're open to that. Sure. Yeah. Let's do it. Okay. All right. Let me
00:41:11
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pull this up. Okay. So we're going to talk about, okay. And this is why another thing like girls, we, you know, generally love talking about crushes, love talking about relationships and dating. And obviously there's a big component of that in a natal chart. Like that's probably like the number one thing that people use when they go to look up their nail chart is like, what's happening with love, right? Like where am I going to find love?
00:41:38
Speaker
What kind of partner am I going to have? Am I going to be lucky or unlucky in love? That's probably like the number one thing people use. And, you know, a lot of like matchmakers, you know, or I don't know if a lot. I'm basing this off of like the show Indian Matchmaking on Netflix. Great show. Yeah. But you remember they use. They did. Yeah.
00:41:57
Speaker
Yeah, and so there are at least in that culture and probably I think other cultures as well like matchmaking would use like an astrological component. And just for somebody who might not know your natal chart is like you give the thing your birthday and it tells you where the various planets are at the moment you were
00:42:16
Speaker
Yeah, thank you. Thank you for that. Yes. So the natal chart is essentially a map of the heavens at the point of your birth. Okay. Going through the zodiac and the zodiac is 12 different constellations that the planets and various asteroids, etc. move throughout, not literally like they're moving throughout these constellations, but they're moving
00:42:42
Speaker
throughout them as you would see from Earth looking up into the sky. Okay, got it, got it, got it. Okay, so are we gonna do, so you said that we could do my chart and my astro cartography? Yes. Those are two different things, right? These are two different things. Okay, well then let's put a pin in astro cartography. We're gonna start, we're gonna start, okay, all right, all right, all right. Okay, this, this,
00:43:06
Speaker
This next part, this this next 30 seconds or so this is like, solely, solely for girls who are finding you on dating apps and then found your podcast. All right, here's here's Scott's, here's Scott's big six. We have Sun and Pisces, Moon in Cancer, Mercury and Aries, Venus also in Aries, Mars in Cancer. And
Astrological Signs and Love Tendencies
00:43:30
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oh, and of course, Taurus rising. Obviously. All right.
00:43:34
Speaker
You're welcome. You're saying that to all the women out there? Yes, yeah, that's, that's, um, yes. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, you can thank me later. Anyway, um, do with that what you will, girls. Okay, so then... I'm only slightly offended. I don't know what that means. I'm sure it's fine.
00:44:00
Speaker
Okay. So, so yeah, so like a little, a little quick rundown of like love in, in your chart. And you can tell me if this seems like correct or not, but like, so you have, you have your Venus in Aries and Venus is like, would be typically a planet of, of love and like how, how you love, right? And so Aries,
00:44:24
Speaker
is the sign of like impulse. It's like the child of the zodiac. It's the first sign. It's like very much a sign of like leadership and like there's an element of being like headstrong and spicy and fiery with that. When you say spicy, you mean like internet spicy or like spicy? What is internet spicy? Internet has to mean like sexy and like, I don't know,
00:44:49
Speaker
Isn't that what that means? Yeah, sure. It's not what it means generally. It usually means like spicy, like, you know, it's like you go to a Thai food restaurant and like tell them to make it not spicy. No, no. Okay, obviously that's not what I meant. Okay, I don't know. Okay, no. Okay, so Aries, you're saying both a child and a leader.
00:45:15
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Because Aries was the first. So think of like the first born child. So since it's coming like first in the Zodiac, it's kind of like all of all of the signs you can kind of correspond as well to like an age in your actual life. So, for instance, you as and I don't want to get too deep into this because Scott told me this is a podcast for the boys. But, you know, you have the son and Pisces, right? And so that would be like
00:45:41
Speaker
Pisces would be representing the end of life. Aries is at the beginning of the zodiac. It's like the beginning of life. It's the newness. It's the fool. It's rushing in. It's like being confident and strong. That's where your Venus is.
00:46:02
Speaker
So even though you have a lot of placements that are much more intuitive and much more sensitive and maybe slow and cautious, there is something about like, you know, you having a certain amount of impulsiveness and like almost like leadership-ness in love, if that's making sense. Like I like kind of like just like, yeah, going for it in a way. Do you feel like that resonates with you at all?
00:46:31
Speaker
I do, but again, I don't know if that's because my mind is finding the relationships or the things in my romantic life that
00:46:44
Speaker
go that way. Do you know what I mean? I don't know, but I know I do. I do. I think I do. I think I do. Yeah. And you might have like, you know, wanting to be, yeah, kind of like a bit, a bit more dominant. Um, yeah, I think an Aries Venus can also, you know, kind of rush into situations perhaps. Um, yeah. So, and then, you know, we're not going to do a whole, a whole like analysis.
00:47:09
Speaker
Oh, but your ear Aries was in the 11th house, which could suggest that you would kind of meet a partner. I think the 11th house is kind of friendships and group groups and idealism and hope.
00:47:24
Speaker
relationship to the collective. So, you know, that suggests that it could actually be really good for you to meet me a partner at like one of these volunteer groups, you know, that you're going to that could be someone who would like that could be an ideal place almost or through a friend. Like maybe you meet someone who's a friend of a friend or etc. Something like that. That would say that that's in your chart would be like
00:47:51
Speaker
not bumble is what you're saying. You know, and that's the thing. They haven't made a dating app house yet. Well, there is, I mean, there are like houses that represent certain aspects of technology. Oh, really?
00:48:02
Speaker
Yeah. But or even even if you did meet someone on Bumble, it could be that maybe you started out as more of like a platonic friendship before moving, you know, or you had friendship vibes before like a relationship or maybe that even you met a lovely lady on Bumble, but you connected over your shared idealism or you connected over some shared ideals. That's what would be suggested a bit in your chart. OK.
00:48:28
Speaker
as a potential place that you would find partners. Okay. Well, I'm just saying a little, a little analysis. And again, that's just like one tiny aspect, right? But we do not have to get too, too into this.
00:48:44
Speaker
So as you go through this chart, there's like 20 things that you could go in there and say. There's much more than 20. OK. There's 100 things in there. There's layers upon layers upon layers. The rabbit hole does not end. It just keeps going. Yeah. It's a whole thing.
00:49:01
Speaker
So, okay, to jump back, if a guy has met someone and she's awesome and he's feeling sparked and he's super into it, but she's super into astrology and he's just like in the dark, like when she goes through the stuff and he's like, maybe that is me, maybe that's not me, you know? Like, is it okay to be like,
00:49:25
Speaker
actually I can't like if you get something and it's like I can't place that like that does not sound like me I'm not sure how to take that that how to take that I don't know lens and apply it to my life you know what I mean yeah
00:49:39
Speaker
Like, does that happen? Is that okay? Like, Oh, yeah, I think I think that's totally fine. I think as well. Well, what's, you know, I was so interested that you like wanted to do this podcast so that you felt it was so relevant because I mean, I don't personally like talk about astrology too much.
00:49:56
Speaker
with people I date unless they're interested in it. I feel like astrology like usually it's like girls like to talk about with other girls generally like with their friends more so than actually like with the men they're seeing. Oh so if you're a guy and someone's into well but I mean there are okay there are women on the apps yes who and maybe we can talk about sneaky ways that women try to get guys oh we'll see but like there are women who like really
00:50:27
Speaker
And I don't wanna, okay, let's put a pin in astro-cardiography maybe, because that's gonna be interesting. Yeah, we'll put a pin in that, right? But like, there are, okay, so I think that I, in my anecdotal experience, there are people who put a lot of weight on astrology in how they're looking for a partner on the apps. And my pet theory on why that might be is that
00:50:55
Speaker
You have, especially if you're a young woman, you have so many, too many options on the app. It's very difficult to, the challenge is finding someone who you think you're going to be compatible with, given very, very, very little information. So for me, sometimes I think that like.
00:51:11
Speaker
astrology can be a way. So like a guy shows you a fish pic, he seems kind of cute, and he makes a funny joke on his on his on his dating profile, whatever, no, the fish pic is a bad example. But like, a guy has four pics and a couple jokes in his in his thing. And like, there's something about him that says like, Okay, my gut is telling me maybe
00:51:31
Speaker
but you really don't know that much about this guy, right? Like you have to get into chatting. You have to like figure it out. You want to like explore as best as you can, given the limitations of the medium, which is usually chat, right? Yes. You want to get to know this person. I think oftentimes astrology can, or could maybe, serve as like a filter. Yeah. It could be something that says like, like we were talking about earlier, like I've definitely seen women who on their DNA profiles say Scorpios only.
00:51:59
Speaker
like they're just looking for a specific site or like that's interesting maybe it's joking but like maybe it's not or like you know but like they're putting it out there and i think i don't i don't think anybody is like you know our sign i have to run our charts and they have to be super compatible or i'm not doing this i don't think i think that's bananas doesn't happen much no but i think i think like there's like
00:52:22
Speaker
bits of that out there right like people use it as like a mechanism to and then I don't mean to like belittle their belief in it but like I think the belief serves to um you know find a way to forge a unique connection with someone right like to to
00:52:42
Speaker
Well, but I do kind of think it can also be a filter. Like I do think, do you know what I mean? Well, in my experience and like talking to other women, I think that women use it more for guys who they're all right into.
00:52:58
Speaker
I don't think women actually bother too much with looking up someone's birth chart or even asking really for guys that you're not into. You're just not going to really care. But then on the hellscape of dating apps, then yes, it's possible that
00:53:21
Speaker
you know, you could be if you see a guy and you're kind of like on the fence about it. Like, let's say you're on the fence about some some guy, right? But you see it has the little thing that he's a Capricorn, but that's but that's your ex's sign. Maybe you're going to swipe. No, maybe that'll be the thing that tips it over. Right. Versus it's like, oh, he's a Leo like I love Leo's. And that could be like the thing that tips like the yes bucket. But generally, I don't think women like care that
00:53:51
Speaker
much at all, unless they're into the guy. Like if a person is asking for that information. A woman or a man.
00:54:03
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, either way. But yeah, if a woman is like asking and interested in knowing your your aspects and all of that, then they are probably into you already. Okay. No one puts I don't think anyone's like putting that much effort into into people that you know, that's fair.
00:54:24
Speaker
And just generally meeting people out and about, even in a friendship way, in a non-romantic way. There was another joke or meme, or I don't know where it's from, this idea that you only ask them when they're signed. Either you're vibing with them and you're into it, or they just said something so fucking dumb and you need to see what's wrong with them a bit. But yeah.
00:54:47
Speaker
I don't think, no one's looking at the birth chart of like, guys, you're not at least crushing on a bit.
00:54:55
Speaker
Totally fair. I do think people are, I mean, you know, people do put their, I'm going to take a stab at this, their sun sign. That's the big one, right? On their dating app profiles, right? Bumble will even like, it's like one of the things you can search for as to like, whether or not you're a smoker, if you have kids, you know what I mean? Sure. And you can, you can filter by it if you want to. I doubt. I've never ever heard of anyone doing that. Yeah. I'm sure there are more women who filter by height than there are who filter by.
00:55:26
Speaker
100% yeah but like I guess I don't know I haven't looked at that many guys dating profiles but like I would assume that it's mostly women that are putting their astrology info on their dating profiles and I think mostly men don't but like do you think
00:55:48
Speaker
I don't even think I have mine listed on whatever Bumble or whatever one it is that lets you list it. I think I just have it as like, I don't put it out there because- Sure. The Pisces hate. The Pisces hate. I don't want to deal with that. I don't know. I think you're thinking about it a bit too deeply. Too much. That's fair. That's totally fair.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yeah, I guess, like, it's kind of like a, I think for a lot of men, and for me, it's like kind of a mysterious thing and it's not totally clear, like, I think it's okay for it to be mysterious, we're not like, and also I think women.
00:56:31
Speaker
And perhaps this is a misconception that you have. I think I can speak for the astrology girl community and saying the vast majority of us are not trying to convert our boyfriends into astrology boys. I think we're okay with that. We're okay in the same way if I was dating.
00:56:53
Speaker
Yeah, like a car guy or whatever. He's going to be OK that I can he can explain like how spark plugs or whatever works a million times. I'm never going to be able to change my spark plugs. And like I think almost every like car dude is going to like accept that, you know, that might be like even a stupid example. But anyway, the same. I think it's the same with astrology. Like we are not expecting you to know anything about astrology. OK.
00:57:21
Speaker
like it's almost as similar like or or to even retain information about it in a way you know so then if somebody if somebody has like astrology stuff on their dating app profile is the move it's like it's for the people who know it's like if you know you know you know if it's like the guys don't relevant but it's like if that's relevant for you then it's roughly well this is actually interesting because um
00:57:44
Speaker
I was talking to a friend about this that I was going to do this podcast. And she said she is not on the apps now. She's in a relationship. But she said that when she was on the apps, she would put the astrology, put some like her
00:58:04
Speaker
emojis or whatever for in in her bio specifically not for like men to interpret them as like what that meant but to filter out astrology haters so if a guy is going to be like condescending and like rude and annoying about this like swipe is it left swipe left swipe no yeah yeah so you know yeah so she i thought that was interesting she put out there as like a filter to like
00:58:31
Speaker
filter the haters out. And yeah, I would say too, like if you're listening to this and you're just like, yeah, if you're a big astrology hater, just leave it, leave the girls alone. Find someone else. That's fine. I think that's okay. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. So then if I, if there's somebody, if I'm not an astrology hater, right? Which I hope I'm not. I don't think I am.
00:58:56
Speaker
No, you bring up astrology with me all the time. It's funny. It's fun. And I'm on the apps and I see someone that I think I don't know, there's something about it that my gut tells me this person might be might be a connection, might be someone fun to talk to. Is the move then not to be like
00:59:14
Speaker
Oh, you've, you're a Taurus sun sign. That means maybe, but the thing is to be like, like to ask about it. Just, just like, just to be upfront with like how you don't know much about it and be like, Oh, you said you're a Taurus. What does that mean? Yeah, I think that would be great because that's like, what a beautiful invitation for someone to tell you how they see themselves. Yeah.
00:59:37
Speaker
And that's, and that's the thing, you know, astrology, it creates really a vehicle and like a container for, for interesting conversations, you know? Yeah. I like that. I think that's good. Yeah. Um, okay. Do you want to get into astro photography?
00:59:52
Speaker
Okay. All right. Yes. So, okay. I really wanted to do this segment because, you know, you move to a different city essentially to increase your luck and love, right? And so, um, yeah, that's why I just thought this would be fun for you or me. I just thought it'd be fun general, fun little segment, fun little segment as astro cartography for Scott. So, and so I, so I, um, you're going to find this map in comprehensible, which is five.
01:00:22
Speaker
I love it. But there's a lot. Oh my god. Can we show the camera that? I don't know if we're going to use this or not, but like, yeah. It's a lot happening. A lot of lines. There's many lines. OK, yeah. So but let's just like staying in the United States. You actually don't have any lines really going through California. Like, California is not like a super astrologically active place for you. Really?
01:00:51
Speaker
No, it's not. You have you have you have a few lines that I think are interesting. You have your Jupiter line, which is the planet of expansion and luck and and good things and would suggest a very pleasurable and like fun place for you to visit or spend time in. OK. And the closest like major city that that goes
01:01:21
Speaker
next to is Miami. Miami? Yeah. Okay. Miami. Okay. So if I was, well, if I was, you know, I'm just looking at the chart, I'm just reading what it says.
01:01:39
Speaker
Does it say anything about the mosquitoes in Miami? It just says that you would have a fun time there. In Miami? Okay. Yeah, you'd have good luck there, which is generally good luck. Okay. You don't have a Venus line going anywhere in the United States, so there's not like a particular place in the country that would be. In Venus's love? Yeah. Have you spent any time in Florida?
01:02:02
Speaker
I've been to Florida a few times, yeah. Did you have a good time? No, the mosquitoes are massive. Too many mosquitoes. All right. He's not liking the mosquitoes. I've been to Miami. I've been to like near Orlando. I'm not a huge fan of Florida. I'm no hate to my Florida listeners, but in general, Florida is not. I'm not going to move to Miami. Probably not. I don't know.
01:02:25
Speaker
I just moved. I just moved. You're not going to move to Miami based off this chart? I don't think so. Wow. I know. Okay. It's just, it's just for fun. We're having, we're having a fun time. Okay. Okay. And then the other, well, the other line that I thought was interesting. Well, wait, where's the, where's the love line? What, what, what other countries do I need to go to?
01:02:47
Speaker
Well, maybe let's stay in the... Okay, fine, fine, fine. All right. Your top spots for love. We'll skip... I wanted to talk about your moon line in New York, but we can skip it. Oh, I would talk about that. Okay. Well, your moon line goes through New York and I think you lived there before. I did. Yeah, I spent 10 years there. And so I'm curious what your experience was like there.
01:03:08
Speaker
New York City is amazing. When I had good people there, it was amazing and awesome. And when my good people started moving away, you know, it's really easy to feel lonely in a city of nine million people. I think New York contains multitudes.
01:03:26
Speaker
Yeah, well, your moon line is there. So that suggests, I mean, and I'm honestly not even like too qualified to do these kind of charts. But oh, yeah, I should put that as I meant to put that as a caveat at the beginning. So I have no I have no qualifications to do this. I'm not an astrologer. Scott just asked me to do this podcast a few times. And I agree.
01:03:47
Speaker
Wait, who would be? Who would be like a qualified astrologer? Well, an actual astrologer who's done training. You can train in astrology? Yeah. You can't? Okay. Yeah, you can learn there's books, there's courses, it's a whole thing.
01:04:03
Speaker
I'm just a representative of the Astro Girl community. This is just for fun. Educational purposes only. Not financial or medical advice. Anyway, but yeah, you have your moonlight in New York, which suggests like, and you have a very Mooney moon, you have a Cancer moon. It's a Mooney moon. It's so Mooney. I say that all the time. Yeah, it's so Mooney.
01:04:28
Speaker
It's extra, extra money, big feelings. And I say that to you too. I think you have big feelings. I have big feelings, that's right. And I think maybe a lot of those big feelings, like looking at this map would suggest that maybe you had very emotional experiences in the time you were there. Oh, so this
Emotional Experiences and Astro Cartography
01:04:46
Speaker
is saying that New York City was an emotional place for me? Perhaps.
01:04:54
Speaker
OK, you could be become, yeah. Oh, nostalgic things like that. Hmm. Or it could have awakened things on that kind of that that shadow side, the things that are not so illuminated. OK. Yeah. Interesting. Hmm. But maybe that's totally maybe that's totally incorrect. OK.
01:05:17
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If you want to say something about that, you can. If not, it's just for fun. It's all just for fun. I think I've had like emotional, important experiences in many places in my life, I think. I don't know. Okay. So where do I go to find love? Well, okay. Like you're saying, we use these charts to find love. Let's get to the good stuff.
01:05:44
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OK, South America looks really good for you. Really? Yes. OK. You can brush up on the Spanish. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, a lot of a lot of South America. And you have a Venus line running through there. Just like I mean, South America is a big place. Well, specifically, specifically in these areas like there's there's 17 lines on that screen.
01:06:12
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This dark green line. Okay. Not the light green line, but the dark green line. So like, Paraguay. I gotta go to Paraguay?
01:06:23
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You could go Buenos Aires. Okay. Wait, am I getting too close to the mic? Hold on. I don't know if it's indie podcasting. Okay, okay. We also have, again, just for fun, okay. Yeah. Just relax, you know. Is that? We also have Moscow would be good for you. That's gonna be tough given geopolitical, you know, situation. Parts of Ukraine, Turkey. Okay.
01:06:52
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Super stable parts of the world. But then I would avoid most of the Middle East. This red line is not fun. Oh, the red line is bad. So I want to stay away from your Mars line. Afghanistan. Yeah. All right. I will do my best.
01:07:13
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this from the podcast I don't know what you're talking about this is the best and so okay so this this dark green line goes like north to south anywhere on that like these would be your luckiest spots for love so Africa yeah a lot of Africa as well okay but look just by virtue of the fact that it's Africa I think by any of these measures Africa is gonna be a good place for anything because so many lines go through Africa just because it's huge well you would like kind of want to stay near the line okay okay okay
01:07:43
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And some of these lines are good and some are bad. So like for instance, I mean, and that's why, you know, we could just look at this. We can just, where's the option for like, let's, let's make it a little simpler. Let's just say that you're not going to move out of the country. Fair.
01:07:58
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Um, but a lot of people use this to the main the main reason people would like use astro cartography Astro cartography is not necessarily for where they would move but like vacations That's what like it even says on this website. It's like playing your vacations. Okay And so this podcast is an audio format. We're looking at a map. It's got a bunch of lines. He's got a ton of lines on it It's it's it's got like it's got like the conspiracy theorist red yarn energy, you know
01:08:28
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Like they're just going everywhere. But these are like locations that have astrological significance. Only for you. Only for me. This is for Scott. Okay. Just for you. Mine is completely different. And other people who were born at the exact same time in the exact same place.
01:08:46
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Yeah. Do you know any of those people? No. We lost touch after birth. Yeah. Yeah. Follow up with them. Yeah. Okay. Anyway. Yeah. But this is, I don't know how deep you want to go into this. Texas, I would say avoid.
01:09:03
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avoid texas okay texas is not good for you necessarily but yeah this this line looks say like minneapolis could be okay all of this like would be suggest you'd be lucky that's the my that's that's your jupiter line okay so okay it's not just miami there's no no no so much of canada it's great oh yeah yeah yeah that's true
01:09:28
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Um, I mean, most of Canada's Cuba cold Cuba. Yeah. All right. Well, which, but like, but only that part of Cuba. You would want to stay clear, pretty close. I don't know. Roughly, you know.
01:09:41
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I'm not super familiar. Okay. All right. So, so, okay. I would, I would avoid, I would avoid Texas middle of the country. I mean, don't have kind of punishing times for you. I'm a coastal elite. I, I will happily avoid the flyover States like this. Okay.
01:09:58
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So, okay, so the chart, you can sit down with someone, you can say, I want to go on a vacation based on my Jupiter line, let's go to Miami, that kind of thing. Have you ever used this kind of thing in making like big decisions? I haven't used it for making big decisions. What I found most like interesting when I kind of like looked up my map was just looking at the places I had been before and kind of how it corresponded to my experiences there. Interesting, okay.
01:10:28
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Um, like I also have a siren line through Texas and I definitely had like a, a lot of Saturn energy when I was in Texas, which would be like growth, but in kind of a hard way. Like, like Saturn has the energy of like, like you're going to grow up, but it's going to hurt, you know?
01:10:49
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And so that really like corresponded for me. I had like a really good line through Hawaii and I also had an amazing. I love that. How's Hawaii look for me? I would like the internet to tell me to go to Hawaii. I think actually you did have a good line there. Oh, I love that. I love that for me. I love that for you too. Okay, loading. You have...
01:11:17
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yeah right by a pink line and an orange line that's true your sunlight yeah and then this is um which one is this oh and another jupiter line hawaii would be great for you okay which island is that so here i am doing this i'm gonna go back to i think this is kawaii i need to go to kawaii there you go all right yeah
01:11:38
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We see. I'm telling you, astrology is fun. OK, this is why girls like it. It's fun. And a podcast podcast. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so that's astro cartography. Do you want to look up anything else? Or I also it's a podcast. So I don't want to. Yes, yes, yes. This is probably not like the most interesting. Perhaps. OK, yeah, I think
01:12:08
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But okay, if you want to look up your own astrological map, just Google astro cartography and the website that we are using is astro.com. Shout out to astro.com. This episode sponsored by astro.com. No, that's not true. Invited cocoa.
01:12:31
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okay
Shared Interests in Relationships
01:12:32
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okay well is there anything i mean thank you so much for having this talk i think you know like i think i think i think a part of the reason that i that i was that i thought it'd be a fun thing to talk about but also kind of a serious thing is just like yeah i i think so much of meeting people online um can be really mysterious and i do i think guys were just not that great at like
01:12:56
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figure out how to do that or talking to each other about it or talking to, you know, I think it can be very daunting when you run into something that feels like it's a big movement on the internet. Like astrology is kind of a big movement on the internet. And it's like, I don't want to say it's like excluding men, but it's not like you were saying before, it's not like a masculine space, right? Like it's not like. Sure, sure. And so I think, I just think it's fun to talk about or it's a nice thing to talk about because like,
01:13:24
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it feels to me like basically dudes should not be afraid of astrology and it's like it's okay if you don't think that your you know Saturn line through Texas or whatever actually makes sense like it's okay if you're like yeah that's amazing for me you know spoiler Texas is not amazing to me but you know you know like and and like it's just something I should
01:13:49
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I guess in a way, I hope somebody listening to this who might have been worried about it before can kind of like dismiss that fear. Oh, yeah. No, no. Women, we don't care if you know about astrology. Just don't be a dick about it. That's all. That's the whole thing. OK. You could have done this in like, yeah, like one minute. I feel like don't be a dick. Yeah. Don't be rude about people's like interests.
01:14:14
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Yeah, totally. I think that's because and also like if you're so like everyone has silly interests, and if you do not have any silly dragons, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so people could be people could be like roots you about that right and say that that's silly and that that's, you know, whatever. And
01:14:31
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fuck those people, you know, and like if you like everyone has like silly fun interests, and if you don't have any silly fun interests or like hobbies, then you should get some because life should be fun. Yeah. And
01:14:47
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Yeah, hobbies are good. I will say, now that you say that, I do the same thing as your friend who's now in a relationship with Dungeons and Dragons. I will tell somebody pretty early on that I think Dungeons and Dragons is super cool. I can tell a layperson why I think it's cool. I think storytelling is a core part of being human. I think this game allows you to tell stories with friends and it builds community.
01:15:12
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But I will always bring it up pretty early when I'm meeting someone, because it's a really good test. Because a lot of women will just be like, ew, this gives me the ick. Click. If that's the case, I just dodged a bullet. I don't want to spend time with somebody who is going to be that dismissive about something that they don't understand, or is going to be that dismissive about something that I am genuinely expressing interest in.
01:15:39
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Exactly. And I think that's the main thing. It's like, and you know, let's say. I'm not sure like how much you would want like a partner to like participate in that with you. For some people, maybe they're like a casual Dungeons and Dragons player and they need zero participation from their partner, and maybe they're getting all their Dungeons and Dragons needs fulfilled by their Dungeons and Dragons community, and they don't need their partner to like give a shit at all. Right.
01:16:06
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other people, maybe it's like quarter their life and they're wanting to have like a Dungeons and Dragons wedding. And like it's like they're about it, you know, and they want to be going to conventions. And it's like and they're like, I absolutely need my partner to share this interest. And so
Respect for Interests in Relationships
01:16:23
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it's in the same way. It's the it's the exact same way with.
01:16:26
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people into astrology. There are like casual people who might like read their horoscope once in a while, you know, and like only know their sun sign. But like, I think it's fun to like just chat about a little as like a little conversation. And then there are, you know, full on astrologers, people who make their career and like make money doing astrology and it's like their whole life. And so someone like that, yeah, they, you know, probably want a partner who is into astrology.
01:16:52
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But for most women, there's like zero expectation, I think, that your partner is going to like really care about it. But at the same time, yeah, just don't be a jerk. Just don't be rude and like dismissive. Don't be a jerk. It's good advice. I think that's a good way to end it. I think that's perfect. Okay. Okay. Thank you for, yeah. Thank you for joining. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. Glad we finally did this.
01:17:19
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That's the episode. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much to Joy for being my guest, for speaking about astrology with such vulnerability. And there's no better word for it, Joy. I always have fun talking with her about all kinds of stuff, but especially the astrology. And I hope you will listen
01:17:49
Speaker
I enjoyed the conversation as well. As always, if you want, please reach out. You can find me on Instagram. I wish you all the best pod. I would be interested to hear from you. If you're somebody who doesn't actually know me and you have thoughts about the pod, I'd be interested to hear how you found it. Any sort of input you have, what you like, what you don't like, that kind of thing.
01:18:17
Speaker
It's great feeling why people are listening, and I hope in some way it's helpful for this little kind of passionate project. So yeah, thank you for coming along on the ride, and I hope it's fun. I hope it's useful. And yeah, that's what I got this time. Thank you, thank you, thank you for listening, and hopefully I'll be back soon with more. I wish you all the best.