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The Danger Is All Part of It with Digsby Diggerton
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Some Uncharted and Charted Territory on the show: we’re talking the film, Holes, San Diego, the 2010s Hipster Archetype, Toms, Fixies, Chrome messenger bags, Tumblr, The YSL Wormhole, Not Inclusive Sizing, "Salt Life," The Marine Corps….TRANSFORMERS…and more. Check it out.
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Welcome
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Good evening and welcome to a special late night edition of Apocalypse Duds. I am your host, a host, Connor Flower. And I am Matt Smith.
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Today we have an interesting guest for you, as we always do. um Diggs B. Diggerington is with us in the studio digs digger ah many variations of this name are out there and we'll probably learn some more, but welcome to the studio. We're glad to have you here and yeah good evening, I guess. I mean, we've been, we've been sort of going back and forth all day. So
Holes: Movie vs. Book
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yeah. right man
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And yeah, have to, I have to mention Connor had this grand idea to, do an intro based on that movie holes with Shia LaBeouf and John Voight.
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Um, I hadn't, I've never seen it, but you've never seen holes. I mean, in your life, earnestly, how many holes have you dug? so um Hilariously, i was obsessed with that book when it first came out.
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noroom holes no yeah yeah I was a massive fan. And I remember when looking when the movie came out, I went, I saw it opening day.
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i can't remember the year it came out, but I was pretty young. I think it was maybe like around 10 11. Yeah. um I was so stoked to go see it.
Soundtrack Highlights
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I went and saw it. I bought the soundtrack on um CD and I played it in my Walkman like every day on the way to school. fuck yeah. that who's Who's on the soundtrack?
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Oh, dude. i mean It's a banger soundtrack to be honest. Yeah, because I'm sure you have it committed. They have. um i I don't. I wish I did. it would been a way counter. I'm here for you right now.
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ah The detent boys. So it's actually, is it characters from the movie? Yeah. So they did a bunch of the songs on the soundtrack are from are like made for the movie.
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Yeah, And they're pretty fucking good. So they're the kids, though, rapping, basically. i think on some of them. I mean, they have like a Shaggy song on there. Sure. They have a version Daphne.
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ah keel there moby yeah Oh, Moby's on there? What? Okay, Track number three, just like you. Kev Mo Beck is on it?
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Yeah, wow. Eagle Eye Cherry, of course. Oh man, yeah.
Early 2000s CGI Critique
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yeah that's like ah That's like a deep ah deep cut. Part of the reason I've never seen it is because it was like just you know kind of after my time. Connor was like, this seems like a movie you would love because i have talked many times about my shitty taste in movies and or like I love it coming me I like coming of age stuff this is earnestly a good movie yeah I'm not trashing it I'm just saying like I have specific like movie tropes that I'm really into and like this seems like it would be one but yeah it just missed me you know I just watched it like maybe a month ago i rewatched it for old time sake my opinion is
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colored by nostalgia right but i think it I still think it holds up really well I thought that the only thing that was that didn't and it's like who he really even gives a shit like the CGI just doesn't look like it cost a billion dollars i yeah wait wait wait this came out in 2002 something around there 2003 yeah i mean every guys in
Actor Career Transitions
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three yeah okay yeah yeah movie at the time the cg looks like shit Yeah, that was kind of like a black hole for the film industry vis-a-vis CGI, just because, yeah, it didn't even matter if it was high budget.
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Like, the early aughts were so bad. Oh, terrible. Terrible. Although, like, the Lord of the Rings movies, I think, sort of... i think the Lord of the Rings, like, Michael Bay's Transformers, shout out, because love those movies. But, like, that shit really, i feel like, really brought things...
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to to a point where they started getting good. If you want to maintain that opinion, do not buy the ah Blu-ray 4K re-release of the Lord of the Rings series.
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I've never seen Lord of the Rings. i know I saw the first one. in the Well, sorry. I've seen part of the first one. i went to like a midnight showing because all my friends were super hyped on it.
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And I fell asleep like 20 minutes in. and yeah don't I don't actually... look the theaters I don't remember if I even woke up. Right. I'm firm on this. A movie that is three hours long, i don't want to see it.
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Yeah. I'm a big Lothar nerd. i have ah have them all on... 4K Blu-ray extended edition. They're good movies. They're good movies. they they are they The movies, when they were made, they put more money into them and more sort of talent into them than anything that
Diggs' San Diego Roots
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existed at the time.
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But it still is a three-hour long movie. Or more. One of my favorite, like, I'm not a big, like, pop culture, or well, I i'm I'm a big pop culture person, but I'm not a big, like, modern pop culture or celebrity person. But the fact that Elijah Wood did that and then did all the other weirdo shit that he did, kind of like Dana Radcliffe from Harry Potter, like, ah fucking hats off to you.
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Yeah. Like, Elijah Wood made Three Tree Hooligans and everything is illuminated. Like, two of two great movies, but, like, are they going to be super commercially successful? Fuck no.
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I feel like he never had the same, like he wasn't as like deeply attached to Lord of the Rings as Daniel Radcliffe was to Harry Potter though. Oh, for sure. His transition was for sure a little easier.
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Yeah, it definitely was. But I mean, also Daniel Radcliffe played Weird Al. So yeah, and fucking props. Which I would like to see. Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. I keep meaning to, but I just, I tend to watch the same shit over and over again.
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I do too. My partner gets very mad at me because I end up watching like the same six war movies yeah every year. She's like, didn't you just watch this? i'm like, well, yeah, but it's good.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that that's going to give me basis for a future question. And I hope that i hope that I'm not wrong is all I'm going to say right now. Dun, dun, dun. But anyway, yeah, Diggs, man. Where are you from and where do you live now?
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I'm originally from ah the North County of San Diego, California. Okay. um North County is kind of like a separate little enclave of San Diego that a lot of people would consider separate.
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um But for a you per ease of purpose or for ease of understanding, I'm just from San Diego. Okay, cool, cool. And then um i've I've moved around a little bit, but I...
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continue to live in the North County of San Diego as of today. Hell yeah.
High School Fashion Flashback
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That's awesome. I've enjoyed the small amount of time that I've spent in San Diego. It's a rad city.
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It is. it's um It's definitely different than a lot of the other cities in California, I think. yeah It's kind of unique. I am not a huge fan of LA. I've spent a very small ah bit of time California.
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like Northern California and the Bay area. But San Diego has like, has a good vibe in my opinion. Yeah. It's like a city that doesn't think it's a city.
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Right. Right.
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But job yeah, I love it here. um It's one of those things. like People ah like approximately, I can look this up.
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That's a stat. I'm not going to off the top of my head. Yeah, no, I got you. Cause so significantly more than Baltimore, for example,
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It's 1.388 million.
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What's the Baltimore stat? I would have expected Baltimore to be bigger. No, Baltimore is like 600 because at a point it was the size of San Diego and then everyone fled and now it's 600,000 climbing. Oh,
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Yeah, it's interesting. i wanted i don't know if you're going to get into this at a later point, but I'm curious about five generations in and around San Diego. I mean, I feel like who has a family that has been the same place for that long in the first place?
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Yeah, it was um it's something I hadn't really thought about or considered until recently, but I was ah looking back at... my dad did a pretty good job of hoarding like a bunch of ah like family mementos and whatnot. Fuck yes.
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Yes. Props to your dad. Yeah. He's, he's like a total hoarder. um He mostly collects trash, but some of it's good stuff um like that, like the family mementos. But um my, my grandpa was born and raised in l LA.
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My dad was born and raised in LA. My grandpa's dad, I believe was also born and raised in LA and was also a semi-famous movie star in the silent film era.
Fashion Evolution and Streetwear
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Oh, really? Yeah. He's got like an IMDB with like 300 film credits. Wait. Okay. So this is your, I'm sorry. Great, great grandfather. Yeah. His name is ah Lafayette McKee. Holy shit. Holy shit.
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Yeah. He was like, um, a big time like side character in a lot of, uh, like, um, cowboy movies. Wow. Look at this guy, man.
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He's got, yeah, he's got a huge mustache. Yeah. He's got some swagger. He's kind of got the, um, the what's his name? Um, I'm spacing on it.
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The guy who wrote Huckleberry Finn, uh, Mark Twain, Mark Twain. got kind of a Mark Twain look about him He's got the, the cool Southern like hang dog tie. Yeah. and like huge Huge, huge point collar. The huge point collar is crazy.
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Yeah. This is definitely like a stylish a character. Yeah. So he was like a big actor in the silent era in And then I believe his father was the one who first came to California.
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Okay. So that would make it five, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So it's been, uh, yeah, it's all in Southern California, mostly in LA. And then, uh, my dad moved to San Diego, ah sometime in the nineties, I think. Okay.
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Interesting. So asked this question about first clothing memory, your first sort of association with clothing. Um, and we're wondering what yours is. um,
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um
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I think like the first time I consciously got into clothing as a hobby was probably in high school. And um it was, it's kind of funny because at the time i i did not dress well.
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I did not really attempt to dress well, but I was also very interested in in fashion and especially like Hedy era YSL. Oh, very, very interesting. Wait, wait, before we go on, what, like, you say you didn't dress well and you, and that was kind of on purpose, but like, what were you wearing?
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Um, in, in high school, i was definitely like a early, early 2010s hipster. Okay. Yeah. yeah I was like, uh, um, cropped, uh, like cropped skinny jeans above the knees um I wore like Tom's a lot.
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And then I was ah i was a fixie guy. i had a fixed gear site. Oh, that makes sense. that So I wore like a cycling cap every day to school.
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Copagnolo cycling cap every day and a ah ah Chrome um like cross body. Yeah. bag Yeah. We, we all, we all had them.
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I still have that chrome bag too, and I actually still love it. With the seatbelt strap. They're incredible fucking bags. Like, I don't
Fixed-Gear Bike Culture
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i don't actually know. i don't remember if I donated my old one, but, like, it was the big, like, the huge size. And I took it on my first US tour.
00:12:53
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And, like, that was the only bag I had. They were like super reinforced, um like really, really high quality bags. I really liked it. Oh, yeah. I definitely and like I couldn't afford a new one, but I got mine a second at the secondhand store I work for. It was like, fuck, yeah, dude, I'll pay 20 bucks for this.
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Yeah. My friend gave me my first one, the one that I still have, because he upgraded to the massive sized one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The massive sized one, like if you're traveling, yeah no comparison.
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Yeah. We didn't do anything with the bags. We just had them on our back as like a fashion accessory while we rode around. Of course. Because, you know, we lived in like suburban North County, San Diego. We're not going to messenger anything for anyone. we were just kind of like riding around.
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Yeah. I always kept like tools and like when I was riding like tools or and or, you know, ah fucking hooch. Yeah. Like like when iPods came out, that was the thing that had. Oh, yeah.
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yeah I was a quintessential early twenty ten hipster because the only thing I ever kept in it was my ah my Nikon camera, my dear my ah SLR film camera because I was also simultaneously in film class.
00:14:10
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Gotcha. Yeah. That's excellent. I mean, that's pretty incredible. Yeah. ah Before we move on from this, like this was around the time that like the mash dudes in San Francisco were getting like, you know, like wild fixed gear, you know, or made about them. Like, do you ever see that shit?
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Oh yeah. i was like super deep into it. I was like, I'm going to move to New York when I turn 18, I'm going to become ah like a broke ass messenger bike delivery guy. I'm going to smoke American Spirit blue packs and live in like a hole in the wall somewhere and it's going to be great.
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Yeah, yeah. And obviously I did not pursue that line of work, but ah and it was like all I could think about for a number of years. I feel it. This might be the first fixed gear talk that we've had on this program.
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I honestly wish
Vintage Clothing Passion
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I still had it. I fucking love that bike. Dude, they're so fun to ride. Like, I grew up riding BMX, and I still, like, to this day, prefer, like, a 20-inch BMX bike. But, like, fixed gears were basically, like, the 2010s or late 2000s equivalent of that. Like, everybody started getting into it. And it was it was super fucking fun.
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It was, it was, it and it was, they were like easy to work on They were fun to ride, yeah super lightweight. Everyone had that like one single speed that was like, like converted, but like super shoddily. And it scared the fuck out of you every time you rode That was me.
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My, my first bike was a road bike that I had converted into a fixed gear and it was too big for me. And also like, ah It was competently put together, but also it's ah it's a road bike. It wasn't meant to be a fixed gear.
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Right. Like it didn't have the free floating hub at the back. um And I remember I started taking, we had we have a velodrome in Balboa Park in San Diego.
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sick. Yeah. We've got one here too. I started going to that because I have free classes and I brought that bike and like the lady who led the class looked at me and was just like,
00:16:18
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are you sure you want to ride that? And I'm like, oh yeah, ride it everywhere. She's like, why don't you borrow one of our, our like loader bikes? I'm like, uh, okay, this one's fine. Okay.
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And then, you know, I didn't realize until well after that, that she was totally right. Oh, totally. Totally. Yeah. At one point, the bike that I had did not have cages on the pedals, but I was riding it fixed gear style.
00:16:42
Speaker
Don't know how I did that. Uh, don't know why I did that, but it's super fun. anyway think The danger is all part of it. you know Yeah, exactly. exactly Anyway, we derailed. but ah yeah like What's kind of your first memory of like you know clothing and appreciating it? yeah so so Like I said, I started in high school. i was The way I got into it was I was a big Tumblr kid.
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I was really into Tumblr and doing like aesthetic blogging. and i got into i just found the YSL wormhole on Tumblr.
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And obviously that was the, the early 2010s was the heady era right with the, you know, with the slim Johnny boots and like everything crazy, slim fit um crop leather jacket.
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And I just like, I was like, this is peak fashion. This is the good stuff right here. This what you want to go for. um But being a broke, broke teenager. I never really pursued it.
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It always just like was something I admired but could never attain.
Streetwear Brand Evolution
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it was under inspiration board. Yeah. Right. And um i I don't know. It felt like out of reach to me at the time. So I just like never considered it as an option to actually dress like that.
00:18:01
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Well, it kind of is, right? It's like extremely expensive.
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Also, like, as you guys probably know, like the Heady Arrow was super not size inclusive. Oh, yeah. And I was a pretty fat kid when I was for like throughout most of high school. I had lost a bunch of weight my senior year um because I had started playing rugby and I just like it melted off me really fast.
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But because I had spent most of my life as a fat kid, i just immediately assumed anything like that kind of skinny was just not meant for me. So I was like, oh, you know, I really like this, but you know, I'm fat and I can't, I can't wear it. So whatever.
00:18:40
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Yeah. I mean, it is exclusive, right? It's like super. Yeah. Uh, I don't know. It's like ah so a double zero generally speaking is not, uh, I don't know. I don't want to go down this road, I guess. Yeah. But, um, so it was always kind of like wishful thinking, I guess in my head.
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And, uh, And I'd always had an appreciation for fashion after that point. um My taste had kind of changed more to street wear as I got older.
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um After high school, i joined the Marine Corps. And i for for whatever reason, I got super into like Supreme and street wear at that point. And so I was wearing a lot of like Obey and Supreme and all the kind of hype beastie stuff that was also popular in the twenty ten and um And that's what I wore for like the next like five years after that probably. Yeah, I feel like this is a pretty typical like coming of age in that era story.
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Speaker
Like, yeah. yeah not Not to say you're typical, obviously, but. No, it very much is. It's a pretty much like like you found you know you found the Heidi Slomain YSL stuff.
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um that was like you know very far beyond like varvados uh prominence and like kind of influenced by similar shit like rock and roll and then yeah you go streetwear and like being in southern california that totally fucking makes sense yeah i think it's a combination of like obviously the environment and um it's one of those things where when you get into fashion like The YSLs and the Givenchy's and all the like really high-end stuff is what draws you in, but it's all stuff you can't afford when you're 19 or whatever.
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And I mean, at that point, but Supreme was pretty fucking affordable. Yeah, yeah. So streetwear at the time was like super accessible. like Supreme was definitely the more expensive end of it and stuff. like Bape and Supreme were both expensive, but Supreme, the biggest...
00:20:55
Speaker
like bar was just that everything sold out instantly. Like a hat was still only like 30 bucks, but you had to be there for the drop, you know? Yeah.
00:21:07
Speaker
That whole, that whole like economy. Yeah.
Vintage Fashion Philosophy
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Speaker
that And I feel like maybe I'm wrong in this, but I think that's before Supreme was sold. So it was still like doing their original, you know, their original like ethic about it.
00:21:24
Speaker
Yeah. um I think it was being – started getting into Supreme around 2012.
00:21:31
Speaker
So I think it was – they had like a web store that you could buy from at the time, but you had to be there like as it dropped. No, because I think they got sold years after that. Yeah. I'm looking it up now because I don't – Oh, before the company got sold. Yeah, yeah before the company got sold. Oh, okay. To whatever venture capital operation – Blackstone. Yeah, in 2012, they were still deep in the like their early era where you know was ah it was an cool, affordable streetwear brand.
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Speaker
Oh, totally. but That was right when... and so like yeah I know. I honestly wish I would have kept some of it because I had some really cool like Supreme logo hats from them with some cool patterns and stuff.
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Sure. That... you know I liked at the time and then I was like Supreme as I got older I was like Supreme's dead I'm never wearing this again I'm gonna give this to my younger cousin and then ah and now I'm like fuck I should have never given that shit to my younger cousin I still think about an early hat that I had that I got for nothing on the eBay and then like I was in a band and you know had to sell shit when you weren't on the road or making money and I was like Okay, I'll sell this. I still think about that shit. Like, weekly, maybe.
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Speaker
Yeah. I know. It's one of my biggest elves, probably. I'm glad my cousin enjoyed them, at least. Oh, totally. Totally. That's at least a nice, like, consolation prize. But i was like, man, I should have kept those. Those would have been cool again, right now.
00:23:02
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Right, right. Well, our, you know, we've had um ah homie, Wama Viking, A few months ago. Cool Teens.
00:23:13
Speaker
Cool Teens. That's right. That's right. That, ah you know, is a huge collector and like has some like wild stuff. Yeah, I feel like they were way more adventurous with their patterns back then, too.
00:23:26
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Totally. Totally. And so it goes, right? When Capital intrudes, like destruction. Yeah, as always. Yeah.
00:23:37
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We're about to see that with Capital, too, anyway. It's true. Yeah.
00:23:42
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So yeah, like Supreme, Marine Corps. Yeah, post-Streetway era, I kind of lost interest in fashion for a while. And I never, I shouldn't say I lost interest. I was always interested in it. I still, you know, like kept up on the the men's fashion advice subreddit and, you know, wanted to look good, but it just wasn't like a priority for me.
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Speaker
And it didn't really come about again until ah the beginning of COVID, I would say, around 2020, maybe late 2019. I had gone to a vintage market and I had bought my first vintage t-shirt.
00:24:26
Speaker
It was Marlboro Cowboy t-shirt. Hell yeah, the one with the cowboy on the back. Yeah. It's got the bucking Bronco on the back. Yeah. Pocket tea Yeah. The best.
00:24:38
Speaker
And it was, ah again, this was like long after I got on the Marine Corps. I on the Marine Corps in 2017. 2020, I had like regained a bunch of my weight. I was feeling very insecure about myself and I had started getting into vintage.
00:24:56
Speaker
um But again, it was like the same kind of thing with, with YSL was like, well, I'm really interested in this kind of line of clothing or this genre of clothing, but because it's vintage, everything runs so small and I am like a bigger guy now. So I just don't think there's anything there for me.
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And I went to this vintage market and I found this t-shirt and it fit me really well. And I'm like, Oh, okay. Maybe there's some stuff out there for me. And I just kind of, uh, you know, that that was the, the worm that burrowed in my head.
00:25:31
Speaker
And um ever since then, I've just been continuously, you know, widening my collection.
Sustainability in Fashion
00:25:39
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Hell yes. And it seems like you have a really good collection.
00:25:44
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Yeah, I think I've i think i found quite a bit of really good stuff. And I feel pretty proud of it, too, because, you know, when you're in like a lot of online fashion spaces, you encounter a lot of people who are...
00:25:56
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you know, a little hesitant to get into it because of their size. Right. And i love I love to be that guy who's like, listen, man, I'm a big guy too. And I've been able to find all this stuff at like vintage markets, at thrift stores, on eBay.
00:26:10
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And it's like, you might have to work a little bit harder, but it's it's out there. You can find it. Totally, totally. Like vintage, you know, like 30s and 40s and 50s, like Levi's and such, probably not.
00:26:25
Speaker
Like it's it's way harder. But tri sure yeah there's a plethora available if you like can figure out your size, especially like, you know, later mid-century into the 80s and 90s.
00:26:38
Speaker
Yeah, I would say the bulk of my collection is probably... ah Most of the stuff I have is like 40s to 70s. Totally. And it's and it's all big size stuff. It's all like 24 inch pit to pit plus.
00:26:53
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Right, right. I think a lot of people don't also realize that like... the like a 38 or 40, that's always been like the the kind of sweet spot for sellability. So a lot of the like really good stuff that was bigger size either stuck around because it wasn't sellable or the people that bought it wore it in the ground.
00:27:16
Speaker
It's an interesting line to walk. I'm right there with you. And as somebody who's like, I'm ah i'm like a big um distressing guy. I love distressing in vintage clothing.
00:27:26
Speaker
yeah That's like definitely one of the benefits. is because like yeah like The big guy who bought this wore the shit into the ground because it was the only one he had. you know the this The Sears and Roebuck down the street from his house probably only stocked five jackets in a size 15 because you know it's an off-size for them.
00:27:47
Speaker
So he wore it into the ground. and And now I get to get that and it looks great. Yeah, and you continue the tradition and you're going to wear that shit into the ground. this this is some of it already has been worn on the ground and probably shouldn't be worn anymore but it's not going to stop me ah you have anything you're close to like retiring or or you know I guess retiring is the right word ah like ah like settling down with what I have no no no no I mean like shit that is so destroyed that you can't wear out the house anymore oh shit um
00:28:25
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I don't have, I don't think I have anything quite that far gone yet. I've been able to like i so like, I certainly don't. I just like, I don't know. I mean, I didn't know if you did or not.
00:28:36
Speaker
I do, but keep wearing it. Yeah. i have some pretty fried things that I either keep wearing or I've been able to repair. um yeah. And it seems like people are repairing their, their stuff more now, which is, I think very nice to see.
00:28:49
Speaker
For sure. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a big fan of of repair and keep everything. Totally. Um, I have a bit of like a overspending habit just because I love buying new stuff.
00:29:01
Speaker
You know, we all kind of suffer from that addiction. What other joy is there in the world? I know. It's all I have left. Okay, let me
SoCal Fashion Scene
00:29:07
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have it. um But ah I try to be like conscientious of like, you know ah ethical consumption or whatever.
00:29:15
Speaker
You're overbuying. To the extent that it's possible. Yeah. Repairing all the stuff that I already have, which I do. i just buy more stuff on top of it though. yeah if you're buying If you're buying secondhand stuff, like it kind of counts cancels that out.
00:29:31
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Yeah, for sure. At least that's what I'm going to tell myself. you know I mean, you're you're helping someone that finds this stuff for you to exist.
00:29:41
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Someone like me. yeah so yeah Yeah, exactly. well But more than that, it's like it's an already extant thing. Totally. Yeah, you're not buying from Shein or Timu. It's not a new piece of plastic. That plastic already exists. All those buttons are already here.
00:29:58
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Yeah, exactly. And it's just like, i don't know. It's one of those things. That's like the the kind of like ah the logical side of why vintage is so good. And i think I'm way more influenced by the the illogical properties of what draws people into vintage.
00:30:19
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um But it's certainly nice to be able to be like, well, yeah, at least I'm not being as bad as I could be to the environment by buying secondhand. what are the ill i mean What are the illogical?
00:30:31
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i mean, the main thing, right, is like, ah I feel like the majority of people see distressed vintage clothing and be like, why are you wearing garbage? You're wearing trash clothes. I feel like that's like your aunt says that.
00:30:45
Speaker
I don't know, man. i Like, my partner...
00:30:50
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My partner's not like super out of touch, right? But she sees some of the stuff I bring home and she's like, are you really going to wear that? Are you going to wear that outside in in public? like Yeah. It's this way on purpose, okay?
00:31:04
Speaker
Right. To go where where where no person has gone before out into the brave unknown. Yeah. I'm just, you know, I'm doing my thing.
00:31:16
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Artistically distressed. Exactly. It's a creative act. Wait a minute. What did you just say? Artistically distressed? Yeah, it's distressed but not in a bad way. That's a great fucking quote.
00:31:29
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Yeah. yeah yeah so but I was just writing running down there to write it down. um
00:31:37
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So yeah, i'm just I just like the... um I don't know. I feel like with vintage, everything you buy is one of one, right? Everything has its weird little unique thing about it.
00:31:50
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It's got these properties to it that you can't you can't just buy in a garment. It has to develop over time. It has to you know it exist in the world before it can look like that.
00:32:02
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So i think it's ah it's one of the illogical reasons why it's so good, to me at least. But you know that's the kind of like artistry behind It's so weird.
00:32:16
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Well, it's Yeah, I mean, it's I don't know, I think it's looking at something sort of in a creative way. and that is art unto itself. Yeah, right. Like every every piece is a little piece of art kind of total or at the very least, it's ah a piece of history that has a story to tell.
00:32:38
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But yes and yeah, I agree with that entirely. I'm getting a little too, you know, deep and schmaltzy about it, I guess. it's a little we're a little waxy about it but it's like that's kind of the point of the show it's like this stuff has meaning that it like there's meaning that we put on it and then there's meaning that is put onto it by society and know i just think that there's a huge amount of meaning and worth in clothing that goes on will and will sort of forever go on cataloged or uncharacterized
00:33:10
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Yeah, and I mean, to to me, like as an enthusiast for this kind of thing, every garment, you know when you look into the history of and stuff, like every garment has like a very interesting story behind it.
00:33:23
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And it might just be like, you know I have stuff that's just plain pants from the 1950s, but it was somebody's plain pants. And they used them for a specific reason or they served served a specific function.
00:33:36
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And even though that like, that pair of plain pants doesn't have anything important to say in the grand scheme of things. I feel like on an individual basis, it's still important to, you you know, the story of, of us.
00:33:50
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Total. Us as a people. Speaking of pants, are you wearing pants right now? And if so, or if not, would you mind telling us what you're wearing? If you did wear something to this interview at all.
00:34:04
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I am. You want me to go the whole fit? Yeah, let's do an ensemble investigation. Sweet. I'm in my house closed, so it's not going to be super interesting. I'm wearing some Patagonia yellow baggies.
00:34:17
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Of course. I'm wearing a vintage Harley tee that I chopped up and cropped. I chopped the sleeves off and cropped it. You flexed the sleeves off.
00:34:29
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I'm wearing my ah my new favorite vintage Masawa Air Base hat I got recently. It's like this ah red velvet material trucker hat, and it's got some Japanese kanji over the top and a cool airplane on it with a Japanese flag on one side of an American flag on the other. And i slapped a sick little um sterling silver and turquoise pin on it to give it that extra little oomph.
00:35:00
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Yeah, I saw your a denim hat from today. i was very ah taken by that. Yeah, that was ah a hat made by a friend of mine. His name is Casey. He lives up in l L.A.
00:35:12
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We met through the um the male fashion advice discord or MFAD as it's known these days. so right yeah um and And we've met a couple of times, me, him and Eli, ah who you had on the show a while back.
00:35:28
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Eli Porca. Yeah, yeah. Uh, me, him and Eli all went up to the Los Angeles, um, vintage rendezvous ah couple of times.
00:35:42
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Uh, so that was where we all first met in person, uh, having met on the internet first. Um, so we all met there and then, you know, we've all stayed friends since after that. And, uh, and Casey's kind of started this new venture where he's been buying up, um,
00:35:59
Speaker
Like super, super thrashed vintage garments. um Like shit that's totally unwearable. Like some super gnarly barn finds. And he's just been using the the leftover material to make hats.
00:36:12
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Oh, that's sick. Yeah, which I love. And um Matt, I don't know if you saw it. i know Connor did. um But it's like ah it's like a selvage denim ball cap that he made.
00:36:25
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that he just pieced together from like a bunch of different pieces of scrap. That sounds so gnarly. Yeah, it's like patchwork, but it's like a little less uniform than that. It's really beautiful. my My favorite little detail he did on it was he used like old rusty rivets from a button fly as the the snapback in the back.
00:36:45
Speaker
Oh, cool. It's a very nice detail. It's a super cool detail, yeah. Wait, what's what's his account? Shout that out. I don't know if he's got a public account.
00:36:56
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Oh, shit. Okay. Let me see. ah Give me one second.
00:37:08
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account is Casey under understood underscore Stone underscore Pierre. I'm pretty sure he has an open account. um He posts a lot of his artwork and whatnot.
00:37:20
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But um yeah, this is like a new... adventure he's been doing. um i he He's been posting some of this stuff or like sharing it with with me and a couple other of the people he's met online.
00:37:33
Speaker
damn. He's met in person. That sounds cool. it's just something he's kind of been doing as a hobby, but I have the sweet benefit of being his homie. So.
00:37:45
Speaker
Yeah. I get to snag this great hat from him. Well, you heard it first, folks. The Suze Abacubic. It's big. Yeah. Get in while it's getting what again is good.
00:37:59
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was i was just gonna say, yeah, i'm ah I'm a big hat addict. So every time I see a cool hat, I can't say no to it. yeah I feel it entirely. I wear a lot of hats. Yeah, many hats.
00:38:12
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I wear one every day of my life. But so fucking many. A person of many hats. um I was going to ask about Southern California.
00:38:22
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um So at least to my perception as a East coaster, like Southern California, aside from New York is probably the most imitated style region that there is. Right. Definitely talking about LA for sure. I think.
00:38:46
Speaker
Well, so are you not talking about LA when you're talking about Southern California? I think when you talk about Southern California, you're primarily... No, they are distinctly different. Yeah, I think when you talk about SoCal, you're primarily referring to l la um I see. I feel like San Diego doesn't really have a fashion culture, unfortunately.
00:39:06
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um You know, we definitely... like When people derive the kind of like surf bum, beach bum aesthetic... which a lot of people like to do. um That's definitely like a part of San Diego, like the rainbow flip-flops every day, no matter where you go with your billabong tee and your, yeah your chubbies shorts and your, your bleach blonde hair. Like that's definitely an aesthetic that's native to here.
00:39:35
Speaker
But when we're talking about like anything really beyond that, um I don't think San Diego is like a super fashionable city in general.
Humor in Bumper Stickers
00:39:43
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But don't you think that the beach bum surfer thing is like, I don't know, there are mall brands that's that's their entire persona.
00:39:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah. like I mean, you hit a mall and you go to like PacSun, they've based their entire aesthetic off of off of the beach bum vibe.
00:40:02
Speaker
Yeah, so I was just, I guess, wondering, um I don't know, because you seem to run the gamut of ah different things and we all have gone through different phases of stuff, right? Like liking certain things and dressing specific ways, but like you that one missed you, I guess.
00:40:24
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are you i mean, a little surfer skater kid. i never, i never learned to surf. I always wanted to. um I was more of a boogie boarder to be honest, just because it more accessible.
00:40:39
Speaker
yeah I loved going to the beach. I was like constantly at the beach just because it's so convenient and good down here. It's one of the few things that you know makes this place really great to live at.
00:40:51
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um so i loved going to the beach, but I never got super involved in like surfer culture. um i was never like ah you know out at the ass crack of dawn trying trying to hit waves before the sun comes up.
00:41:08
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um I didn't own a wetsuit. I was way more casual than that. um I did skate for a little while, but I never got good at it. I would say I was more in tune with, like, in line with skater culture than I was with surf culture.
00:41:23
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But, um I mean, you grow up here, you go to the beach. There's no way around it. You get always kind of go the beach.
00:41:31
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But the the style aesthetic, I guess, didn't really ah latch onto me. I had my fair share of billabong tees, but it wasn't my personality. That's probably a good thing, if we're being honest.
00:41:44
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Yeah, this is definitely. i mean Because there was this on the East Coast. like There was that, like I have my Quicksilver stuff. I have my Billabong stuff. yeah like I'm like a stripper person. Those people turn into Salt Life people for me. in the oh yeah.
00:42:02
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I was thinking about this earlier because I saw a couple of... ah couple of bumper stickers that just like you could 100% tell the person driving from that bumper sticker.
00:42:14
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And there wasn't a salt life that I was like, you can pretty much always tell. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When you see one of those on the road, you're like, yeah, this this person is white, probably blonde and goes to the beach like three times a year.
00:42:31
Speaker
Yeah, they were like a huge beach bum in high school and now they vote conservative. Right, right. They wore the like, and I am guilty of this. I'll admit it. But like, they wore a necklace from like, ah you know, some beachside tourist trap.
00:42:51
Speaker
I never had a conkshell necklace. I will stand firm on that. But definitely had one that had a surfboard. That I got had a shark tooth. so Yeah, or a shark tooth. Like some fucking place in Florida. And I'm like, those are the same people.
00:43:07
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that Oh, no, we we totally have the exact, especially San Diego. Oh, I bet. ah but Yeah, like San Diego being a military town, it's like weirdly conservative. Yeah. So you you get a ton of those guys who come here for the military and then stay here for the rest of their life.
00:43:23
Speaker
Right, right. And they become they become the Oakley gas can salt life dad. Wait, whole Oakley gas can salt life dad.
00:43:35
Speaker
I'm going to have to. And they're they're they're cruising down the road their Ford F-150 car. down the I five and they're going to go hit the beach with their family. And you know, and that's a lot of guys here.
00:43:50
Speaker
oh God damn. Yeah. And you know, no no shade on them. If that's how they want to do their thing. then Right. Right. I can guarantee you they are not listening to this program. For sure. Absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah. Then, you know, full shade to those guys. Fuck them. Cause they're not going to hear this.
00:44:08
Speaker
Yeah. For real. We don't support them. We don't support them on this coast either.
Conservative Fashion Signals
00:44:12
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yeah i don't yeah but I see a Salt Life sticker and I make a lot of assumptions.
00:44:21
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It's kind of a like a dog whistle. you know i think it's like keep honking, I'm reloading. That's like explicit. The Salt Life is way more subtle. I feel like yeah exactly i'm not it's ah it's a red flag for sure. it's not a I wouldn't put it at dog whistle. It's a blue last It's a Blue Lives Matter sticker.
00:44:43
Speaker
Yeah. If I see a Salt Life sticker on like a truck in front of me and I go to like pass them on the freeway, I'm going to look and see who's driving. Yeah, totally. And this is this is so funny because this is like the conversation you heard out of context is like very bad. and that's what we like to do on this show is to record ourselves saying things that are slightly potentially could be taken the wrong way.
00:45:07
Speaker
double Double points if it's a Cybertruck with a Salt Life sticker. wondering i wonder if that's like a Venn diagram that definitely exists. There's a absolutely a Venn diagram with that. that's like i I feel like if I had a Cybertruck, which of course I wouldn't, I would have a ah i would have the Salt Life sticker and like who saved who.
00:45:32
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I feel like that's and that's in the same category. i um This was something that was being shared in the meme section of our Discord recently, where there's like a ah trend of, um or like a rash of people taking photos of bumper stickers on the back of cars, where there's like this massive overlap of people who have both Harry Potter fan stickers and like blue Lives Matter
00:46:03
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uh all lives matter style stickers wow and and it's like it was funny because it was like a ton of them being posted all in like quick succession where they they'd have like a license plate frame that was like registered um you know witch at at gandorf or whatever and um and then they'd have like the blue lives matter heart heart silhouette in the back window right next to it or like a Punisher skull.
00:46:32
Speaker
That's so nice. The Punisher skull is so fucking funny to me because and obviously the Punisher character is not into the cops at all.
00:46:44
Speaker
It's such a hilarious... yeah your depth composition I love that character. I've loved that character since I was a kid. And I can't remember her name, but ah the director of the first Punisher reboot in the early 2000s was like, y'all did not understand what the fuck we were talking about.
00:47:10
Speaker
I feel like none of them even, like, they all just saw a Cool Skull and left it at that. Oh, totally. Totally. no one No one appreciates or looks into anything with that.
00:47:21
Speaker
Just like how they read the news. They only see the headline and read the article. Yeah, right.
00:47:28
Speaker
It's just about shallow analysis. Maybe we should really do a whole episode on fucking Chud's misunderstandings.
00:47:39
Speaker
I think we should, man. I think that that's like the... that's like the Yeah, especially especially in the age that we're living in.
Marine Corps Motivation
00:47:48
Speaker
Like, obviously Twitter sucks now because of fucking Douchebag Bought It.
00:47:54
Speaker
Or Douchebag Owned It, Douchebag Bought It, whatever. But like, we're at the point where there's so many of these things that are so memeable that like, we have we have to talk about it.
00:48:06
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like you could do a pretty interesting deep dive on like, ah like the chud male fashion of the current era. Oh, hundred like there's a lot there. I think there's, there's so much there. And that might speak to something that we have on the horizon, but we have this, do you have this Google doc that is titled American Nazi attire? I'm just like it was like banging ideas into that document. Yeah.
00:48:37
Speaker
i I think it's good. I think we're close. And I think like to identify them as American Nazis is so fitting. um They really deserve it.
00:48:48
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, um it's, it's, it's very distinct and unique, man. Like they've got, they've got a unique style to them for sure. Yeah. yeah And it's not any of the shit that like most of us of a certain age grew up with. It's not,
00:49:05
Speaker
You it's not like skinhead attire anymore. No. Yeah, it's it's kind of weird in that way because I feel like, you know, um in the 90s, right, or like the 80s and 90s when the skinhead kind of, the the the skinhead genre became white supremacist and kind of separated from the sharp culture as its own branch off.
00:49:32
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um You know, it be it was super obvious, right? You know, they had lace code. They had certain aspects that were super obvious flags that they were Nazis. Yep. And i feel like nowadays the the rhetoric of those type of people has become super overt.
00:49:49
Speaker
And the the way they dress and everything has become way less overt. It's way more overt dress. They want to be presentable. Because like the like the skinheads from like the 90s, they probably weren't super overtly fascist at like a show, right?
00:50:06
Speaker
But they dressed like it. You knew by how they dressed, but they wouldn't overtly talk about it too much. It's like the Democrats and the Republicans, right? Yeah, unless they were in their circle.
00:50:17
Speaker
Also, when they did, they got the shit beat out of them. ah Yeah, yeah, that was a big deterrent for sure. Yeah, yeah, I came at the tail end of it here, but... We've seen, like, a total flip-flop of it now, where you have, like, all these, ah like, super hyper-conservative pundits who talk a big game and then don't dress the same as they used to. Yeah, it's it's a lot more about, like, whatever they're signaling, that like, in their words, than it is about their appearance.
00:50:52
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Yeah, the signaling method has has changed, to which I thought was fascinating. Yeah. Same here. Same here. Yeah. i I'll for sure be tuning into that episode. waited I'm waiting with bated breath. Yeah, we'll we'll get it going.
00:51:10
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ah Okay, so you're from San Diego, big military town. um Love war movies. This is what I'm going to come back to What are your thoughts on Top Gun?
Air Traffic Control Tales
00:51:23
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damage um You knew I had to ask it. I mean, it's based in Miramar, which is not that far from San Diego, or maybe it's a base in San Diego.
00:51:34
Speaker
It would be considered North County. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's within San Diego, San Diego County. Excuse me. I think I just burped. um so But ah sorry, i had a, I had a beer a little earlier, so it's coming up now, but top sun.
00:51:49
Speaker
So, so, I'm going to be totally truthful here, and I'm not sure what answer you're expecting me to give, but um Top Gun is the greatest war movie that has ever been made. That's exactly the answer I wanted you to give, and I talked about on the last show with John.
00:52:10
Speaker
ah and Val Kilmer's death a couple of days before we talked RIP to the GOAT RIP man but mike I understand that it's propaganda ah it's the best propaganda ever made it really fucking is it is so like i i cannot express enough how good a propaganda it is sort of this I guess leads perfectly to the next question why exactly did you join the Marines when you were 18?
00:52:41
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So I joined the Marine Corps 12 days after I graduated high school. Wow. I was ready and ready i ah I joined the Marine Corps for a couple of different reasons.
00:52:55
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My main reason was that I really didn't want to go to college, which I think is a lot of people's main reason to join the military. i didn't I didn't have like an express desire to go out and, you know,
00:53:10
Speaker
ah fight in a war or you know do it out of like some kind of patriot patriotic impulse to join the military but um i could have joined any branch to not go to college and i chose the marine corps mostly because my grandpa was also a marine uh my grandpa was a marine during world war ii he joined at 17 years old and lied about his age to get in yes nice he He fought on Guadalcanal and was shot in the ass on Guadalcanal. He got a purple heart for that.
00:53:45
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Yeah, dude. And then that fighting, ah Jesus Christ, that's crazy. yeah And then he redeployed and fought on Saipan where he got hit in the neck with grenade shrapnel and nearly died. Wow.
00:53:58
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um After that, he sent back to Hawaii. Yeah, he was a hard ass man. i have photos, actually, in my in my treasure trove that my dad saved. um Photos of him in Guadalcanal.
00:54:11
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Wow. we gotta we got If you can, we got to post those. Yeah, i can I can send you a couple um after this. I'll i'll shoot them over to you. Yeah, i would love it. too Side question, clothing-wise, do you have anything of his?
00:54:27
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I have ah one single item from him ah from that era. I have the helmet he wore on Saipan. Oh! Jesus. So I have the the steel pot helmet.
00:54:40
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It has a custom um paint drip camo on it that he applied himself. Wow. It also has a massive ding in the top of it where he got hit by grenade trap, Noel.
00:54:53
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And there's like a big dent in the helmet. Holy shit. This is unbelievable. Can we also get a picture of this if you if you don't mind sharing?
00:55:05
Speaker
like Absolutely, yeah. That's rad. I can send you pictures of both of that. um it's It's like the the single coolest thing I have. It's probably the most important single item I have, like physical item that I own. It's sturdy.
00:55:23
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Yeah, it's it's um it's a pretty amazing little piece of history to me, especially because it's my grandpa's. like Oh, 100%. My, uh, that grandpa, that was my dad's dad. He died when I was very young.
00:55:36
Speaker
Um, I didn't get to know him super well because when I was, ah you know, most of my interactions with him was before I had like thought retention. Right. Right. Developed that as a kid.
00:55:48
Speaker
And, uh, so all the like stories and things I know about him are secondhand stories that have been told to me by my dad. So he was for sure like ah like a mythological superhero to me in my head. 100%. And um and that was for sure like that was for sure like a major motivation for me to join the Marine Corps.
00:56:10
Speaker
In fact, I had gone to the Marine recruiter and I got home and I told my dad, hey, I went to the Marine Corps recruiter today and I think I'm going to do it. And he's like, okay, well, I won't sign the papers until you've gone to every other military recruiter in town.
00:56:26
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because I want you to be able to explore your options. I want you to go to the Coast Guard, the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and see what they have to sell you before you decide on one. So the next day, was like a Saturday.
00:56:38
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um i stayed home. I played video games all day. i ate like five slices of Costco pizza. And then my dad got home and I told him that I went to every single other recruiter that day and I still wanted join the Marine Corps.
00:56:52
Speaker
ah So I just straight up lied to him. Because i i my decision was already made. i There was no way I was going to the fucking army. Are you kidding me? Right. right um And then, yeah, I signed the papers. I did well on my ASVAB, so i I became an air traffic controller in the ah in the Marine Corps. And then I did my one enlistment and got the fuck out of there.
00:57:15
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Solid. That's a great answer, too. And air air traffic control is what you're still doing to this day. Yeah, I work in kind of a similar field. I'm an aviation radar analyst for the for the federal government.
00:57:32
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um So I monitor aviation traffic within and around the U.S. to ensure that they're complying with proper customs protocol, like they need to file a manifest and do all these various things to come in or out of the U.S.,
00:57:48
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Um, abiding by FAA regulations remaining outside of like restricted and prohibited areas in the U S. Um, my, the facility I work at work at monitors all air traffic within the entire U S. Oh, wow. So like we're monitoring the national capital region where you guys are at or nearby.
00:58:09
Speaker
um or where Connor is at least I, Matt, you live in LA, right? Yeah. um So where Connor is, you know, we're monitoring that airspace surrounding the national capital region. We monitor, you know, all the, the border air spaces separating us between our neighbor countries and, and offshore.
00:58:30
Speaker
So it's just like a, was kind of a facility that was propped up after 9-11. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um as like yeah So we cover like a lot of different things. We just cover, we cover aviation safety, and national defense and like custom stuff.
00:58:46
Speaker
Gotcha. Gotcha. It sounds kind of cool. It's like super boring work. I'm like looking at a bunch of dots on screens and making sure that they're not doing anything bad. Right. Right.
00:58:58
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Yeah. Which, listen, I'm going to sleep easily tonight knowing that it's you who's protecting me. i am I've got my eyes in the sky, man. well yeah Well, to to counter or sorry to piggyback on my top question, have you ever seen someone buzz the tower?
00:59:17
Speaker
I'm very curious. ah So when I did air traffic control, I worked at Camp Peloton for my entire career. um I did not get too far from home when I joined. um they I joined the Marine Corps to see the world and they sent me 30 minutes up the road.
00:59:30
Speaker
Right. yeah yeah And unfortunately, Camp Pendleton is a helicopter only base. Come on. So, you know, we did get some, you know, we didn't like a tower buzz is like a low altitude flyby in a fast jet.
00:59:48
Speaker
right we get plenty of low altitude flybys and helicopters but it just doesn't hit the same you know yeah yeah god damn it we i was really hoping that you would have like some wild story i i will say it wasn't like a buzz the tower moment right they didn't get that close to the tower they stayed over the runway when they did it but we had a couple f-18s come up from north island and they did um a couple low approaches to the field as just like pattern work yeah and A low approach is essentially like the jet will come down as if it as if it were like landing on the runway.
01:00:23
Speaker
They'll do a low pass about 100 100 feet above the runway and then act like they're taking off again, but they never actually touch the ground. So that's about as close as we get to abuzz the tower. Okay. All right. um I'll take that.
01:00:40
Speaker
I'm sure if you're in the tower, that sounds way more menacing than it actually is. Oh, it's insane. It it only happened a couple of times while was in because the F-18s wouldn't come up that often to do a low approach.
01:00:52
Speaker
So whenever we got word that like there's an F-18 checking in with, you know, the arrival controller and they want to do low passes, Like everybody was running to the tower because they wanted to be on the tower balcony when it did the low pass.
01:01:07
Speaker
Yo, every single one of those person but has seen Top Gun numerous times and they were so psyched and they got so bummed out, I'm sure.
Aviation and Technology Wonder
01:01:18
Speaker
I know. It was exciting, man. It was so fucking cool. I mean, it's not it's not right up in your face, but it's still pretty close. Totally, totally. And because you never see it, you know, it's kind of an event. So we'd all get up there at the store.
01:01:31
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F-18 or this flight of F-18s would be a low approach and you know, man, it, it gets you gone. yeah i i don't want to I don't want to root for the military industrial complex, but when you see a plane go by really fast, really close to you, and there's something about it. You can't say no to it. I don't know if I'm going to be flying for the foreseeable future at this point, but ah like every time I've flown in my lifetime, I'm just amazed at the sheer like volume in technology. and
01:02:04
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It just blows my mind every single time. Yeah, like um I remember when we got V-22s at Camp Helton for the first time. um If you guys don't know, the b twenty two is the helicopter with... me Yeah, an Osprey.
01:02:20
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Right. um Yeah, the Osprey are wild to me. Yeah, so for any listener, I guess, that doesn't know, it's a tilt rotor helicopter that has two props on either side of it, and it can go into an airplane mode where it turns the props sideways.
01:02:37
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and looks like an airplane with two front props or can turn them up so it looks like a helicopter with two props and it allows it to be more maneuverable, more fast, more fuel efficient, all this different stuff.
01:02:50
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But I remember the first time they got to Camp Peloton and it was like fucking crazy seeing these things flying around in the air because they don't look like they should be able to. Right. More than this, ah as it happens, they kind of can't.
01:03:01
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Yeah, they kind of can't and they kind of fucking suck, man. yeah Yeah. Well, that sounds like the military-industrial complex. If you want to watch, if you want to see this, ah what is it?
01:03:13
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nice Transformers 4, The Last Knight. but so They feature them. Oh, they have ah an Osprey Transformer.
01:03:24
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Yeah, yeah. ah Yes, they're they're very like key to the plot. Oh. But Matt doesn't want to spoil it for all of our listeners that love Transformers as much as I do.
01:03:39
Speaker
and kind of his book And didn't see the most recent movie yet. It's not even the most recent. This was the second Mark Wahlberg one. Oh, that was like 10 years ago, dude.
01:03:49
Speaker
Yeah, I know. i know. I watched them. I watched them a few weeks ago. there um I used to have a funny story about this. I won't say his name. um I had an ex-co-worker who was in the first Transformers movie. Oh, shit. Really?
01:04:04
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He played. he was in the Air Force at the time, and they filmed. ah There's a scene where they're filming from the air traffic control tower of an airport um in the first Transformers.
01:04:18
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And he has like ah like a one little throwaway line. Like, I can't remember what it was. But he's on screen for like like five seconds. Not even. Like, maybe three seconds. Good for you.
01:04:30
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He told us about this. We saw the clip. he It's him. um And he said he still gets like five cent residual check checks for the movie but every like couple years. Five cents?
01:04:43
Speaker
It's not that low, but it's it's like some low amount. Yeah. got a new life's purpose. I mean. Yeah. Maybe I should start watching movies at home again. i don't know. Yeah. I own the movie. No, I'm saying speaking role in a Transformers movie. I own the box set on DVD.
01:05:00
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so But that was his ah that was his claim to fame. i didn't I didn't believe him for the longest time, and then he finally showed me the clip, and I was like, holy shit, he wasn't lying.
01:05:10
Speaker
Oh, that's fucking fantastic. Yes. Well, Dix, dude, it's been so fucking fun chatting with you. Yeah, man, this has been great. I feel like we only got through like half of what we've been doing. Yeah, we got through a third of it. Yeah. Maybe a third. Yeah, yeah. We're excited on some tangents for sure.
01:05:30
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No, yeah we we love a good tangent. And yeah, we'll we' have you back on sometimes sometime and, you know chat more. but ah For sure.
01:05:41
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yeah, it's been fun.
Conclusion and Social Media Plugs
01:05:43
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Um, please shout out your account and anyone else that you would like to, as we kind of close things out tonight. Right on. Yeah. So, uh, my, uh, handle on Instagram and Tik TOK is digs underscore fits D I G S underscore F I T S. Um, that's, uh, that's where I post all my, my cool clothing and whatnot.
01:06:07
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Um, I'm trying to be a little more active on there than I have been in the past. And, um and join the, uh, MFAD discord where you can learn all the fun things about fashion.
01:06:22
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Oh, hell yeah. That's funny. It's great. It's great. But yeah, man, it is. Thank you one more time for coming on. um for sure. Everyone. Thank you for listening. ah We are at apoclipstuds on Instagram, apoclipstuds at gmail.com.
01:06:40
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If you've got questions, comments, concerns, or just want to send us some ridiculous meme, I am Matt Smith at Rebels Rogues. And I'm Connor Flower at Connor Flower.
01:06:54
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And we will see you next week.
01:06:59
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Ta-ta. Bye.