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Ghoulorama with John Rogers
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Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen, Theys and Thems, you're listening to Car Talk, I’m your host, Conor Flower, and for some reason, we talked about cars and driving a lot on this episode.
We ALSO talked about art, and process, Dollywood, community college, Pennsylvania, PIttsburgh, Powerpoint, painting, writing, Instagram, and much more!
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00:00:00
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Good evening and welcome. Months in the works, an apocalypse duds event. A man Matt and I both admire, so much so that we stalked and harassed him into coming on.
00:00:13
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And behold, finally, the artist, the great at Ghoul-A-Rama, John Rogers. Welcome to the show. Thank you, Connor. Live from them ah the artist's studio. I'm Well, and I've got to say, with a man like Fred Rogers as your dad, there must be some pretty big kids to fill.
00:00:38
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That's like, um I would tell people that he was my uncle. Of course. You wouldn't go for immediate relative? Yeah, I i wasn't going to go dad because everybody knew, just about everybody knew who my dad was.
00:00:53
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Uncle offers a little bit more plausible deniability. Yeah. like Well, that's your input. um
00:01:05
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Fuck, I don't know what I was going to say. But yeah, I did did tell people that. um And also Roy Rogers. What about any? Yeah, I was going to say there's many, many Rogers.
00:01:16
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Yeah, yeah. for authors That you could be related to. I guess it's not related to any of them. Fun fact, Kenny Rogers is buried in Atlanta at ah Oakland Cemetery. it's I think I've actually maybe mentioned this on the show before, but it's a pretty sick, actually, his grave. You got married there?
00:01:36
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No, he's buried. He's buried. Yeah, yeah. At ah this huge historical cemetery called Oakland Cemetery, and people leave like offerings and shit on his ah on his grave.
00:01:48
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It's cool.
00:01:50
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That is pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I grew up... ah Wait, John, just out of curiosity, how old are you? 40. Okay, so, yeah, elder millennials. like Yeah, and being from the South and, you know, growing up, I heard a lot of Kenny Rogers and watched a lot of, you know, Kenny Rogers movies that he did with, like, Dolly Parton and various other other people, so...
00:02:20
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ive I've been to Dollywood a couple of times. Oh, Dollywood's sick. I would love to Dollywood. That's like, i feel like one place in the South that we should keep. Oh, yeah. Dude, Dolly Parton, like, I feel like it doesn't matter who you are. Like, no one can hate on her for anything.
00:02:37
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She's like, she should be like the queen America. Even he who must not be named, I'm sure, has ah has a crush on Dolly Parton. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. she's She's like one of the fucking, I don't know, just coolest amongst humanity in general. She's definitely one of the coolest people in that age bracket.
00:02:56
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Oh yeah, definitely. Definitely. Hollywood. Yeah. It's I've been way more times than I would like to admit. Cause it's like three hours from my hometown. so i know I had to like work to get there.
00:03:09
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Oh yeah, I bet. Because you're in Pennsylvania? Yeah. yeah yeah i mean you he You know what? I don't think I actually went. No, I think I might have only gone one time. ah I went, I camped close to it when I was like 12 or 13 or something.
00:03:25
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Okay. So like in the in the Smoky Mountains. We were in the Smoky Mountains and we all saw the bolt billboards and we were like all just hit puberty and we're like, yeah, we want to go there. The Scout Masters were like, you guys are fucking idiots. Yeah.
00:03:39
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You're Scoutmaster. They were also kind of like, maybe we should go there. but I think they also knew what it actually was and it wasn't going to be what we were hoping it would be.
00:03:50
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Right, right. it's not like a like It's like a six-flag light. We wouldn't have been like utterly disappointed though because it was it's a pretty good amusement park. Yeah, it's good.
00:04:01
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If it has rides on it that I don't ever want to go on really again, i know they were good. Yeah, definitely. The racing roller coasters, i don't ever want to go on that again.
00:04:12
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Right. And though yeah there's one that like goes backwards all of a sudden. like You're driving through like stuff that's on fire or something, and you stop and go in reverse. I didn't care for that.
00:04:25
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But it was good. But... Yeah, 100%. Well, so listen, speaking of driving stuff that's on fire before we get away from ourselves here, um do you want i mean do you want to talk about yourself for like five seconds to say where to sort of establish yourself? I mean, the Goulorama brand. oh man, I'm not good at that.
00:04:47
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No, but i'm I'm sort of joking. I mean, so well so this was the question initially, like, did you go to art school? Oh, no. Yeah, it's a canned question. I know what the answer is, but it's a vehicle.
00:05:00
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I dropped out of community college. I dropped out multiple times and I never completed it. Yeah. I don't even have an associate's degree. um Well, it's all meaningless, basically. It is meaningless, but I find that there's like some stuff that like a lot of people my age or people that went...
00:05:22
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to college at least for like four years seem to know about or like know how to do that. It's just like completely foreign to me. Wait, like what's an example of that?
00:05:34
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Because I also dropped out of school, so. Like how to use PowerPoint? Yeah, dude. I'm fucking with you. Yeah. not man okay I don't even know where to find it. Here's what's so fucking sad. right.
00:05:48
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So I went to a state school in Maryland. i went to UMBC, University of Maryland, Baltimore County. I took a class in the English department that was about PowerPoint.
00:06:00
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It was about instructional design. it was about the way that PowerPoints are used. We did something called Pachachka, which is like Japanese. ah It's like karaoke, but you do seven PowerPoint slides.
00:06:17
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That sounds awful. That sounds yeah fucking awful. So if you look at them though, they're actually really tight because what it is, is like you're limited in your presentation to only seven slots.
00:06:30
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You can't do more you can't do less. So it's like you have to really establish your ideas in a more concrete way. okay It's kind of an interesting way of thinking about this. But the point is, they do teach you how to use PowerPoint. Yeah, I know they do. What a waste of time.
00:06:49
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i I don't think I've ever used PowerPoint. I've used Excel to the barest of minimums. And it's like any any Microsoft Word, Excel, whatever the fuck, is the most annoying shit on the face of the earth to me.
00:07:03
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i did take a Microsoft... oh
00:07:09
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I did take a computer class in community college that I did. I had like a 98% in it, but I retained almost none of the information. it was like Word, Excel, and Microsoft Access, but like nobody uses that. i don't know that's supported at all anymore. I don't even know. I really don't know if it exists.
00:07:29
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I don't even remember exactly. I feel like it was for inventory or something. I have no clue. i don't know that I've heard it i don't know. I figured out how to use it, but I didn't never used it again after that class. But like Word, I'm still like great at, even though they've updated it a million times since I took that class 20 years ago. How do you have a like how do you have a license for Word? Do you pay for that?
00:07:54
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I don't know. We're not tattletailing on you here. i just like... I probably do. pirate The pirated copies of Word stopped working. So I just use Google Docs now, which I think is terrible.
00:08:08
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No, Google Docs is terrible. i i um No, I definitely paid for a Microsoft suite and I'm sure that I'm paying for a subscription. I'm sure it's like an adult amount of money, like $35 or something, but even still.
00:08:23
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It's a business write-off and I should probably look for that charge and make sure I'm actually not um forgetting to write it off as a business suspense right yeah but it's uh it's kind of like everything else like everything has a subscription charge now like even printers and stuff so nice i love it it's it's yeah what a what a great time to be alive like oh yeah able to unlock your car doors right pay 12 a month Not my 1999 Plymouth fan, goddammit.
00:08:56
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No, that's why i I like old cars. yeah that's why That and being poor. yeah Yeah, it's it's a double-edged sword, for sure. but so i feeling profit Somehow than the car that I bought in 2011.
00:09:12
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twenty twenty is only two years older than the car that i bought in twenty eleven
00:09:21
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Wait, what kind of car is it? It's a Ford Escape.
00:09:26
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Okay. A regular or a hybrid? I read the i read a lot about it right before I bought it, but it was like kind of like I just got i totaled my Ford Focus. Somebody T-boned me.
00:09:38
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um And then he proceeded to call like his whole family to to try to drag me out of the car and like beat me up. i I was kind of pissed because it was like a kid and he came up to this four-way intersection and I saw him and I'm like, it doesn't that kid doesn't have control of his car. Like he is all over the road.
00:10:01
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He slides through the stop and there's a lady in front of me who won't get out of my way. He does like 180 in the intersection, still not really using his brakes and just slams into the side of my car and totaled it.
00:10:16
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So I was pissed. Also, like I'm like a 35 year old adult man with like stuff to do. And this guy my god like a, like a 97, like Celica just slammed into me in the most insane way possible.
00:10:31
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i was like, just dude, just get your fucking license out. Like I want to get this over with. I to go to this is in Pittsburgh though. Yeah. He was like, don't talk to me like that. I'm like, I just want to get this over with bro. Like, come on, I'm calling the cops.
00:10:45
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And then his whole family showed up and tried to fight me. What the fuck? This is that not surprising to me at all. ah There was a brief window where I almost moved to Pittsburgh, and I'm so relieved that I didn't.
00:11:00
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like I think that it's you're just guaranteed to get in a fucking accident there because every road is like ah parabola. Yeah. It's like an extremely steep hill and then an extremely steep hill going down.
00:11:16
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How do you deal with that in the snow? It's fucking terrible. And everyone drives a thousand miles an hour. I just think I'm an old person. um But it's not safe, I see. Not everyone drives a thousand miles per hour.
00:11:29
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um People also stop to like let people out when you like shouldn't. Right. right yeah And they do weird stuff like the Pittsburgh left, which is like when you're at a four-way and you let the person across the street.
00:11:42
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I don't allow it. I just go. Wait. Yeah. I was going to ask if you guys had junk junk handles like ah certain parts of Jersey. Oh, no, no. guess not.
00:11:53
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I've driven a lot in Jersey. We don't we don't have any of that crap. Thank God. But it it is kind of free for all. Yeah, yeah. Honestly, like... i'm honest sleep like I'm kind of convinced that every city sucks to drive in. Because they're not fucking made for car yeah and the fucking cars! this is ah This is an entire like tangent of an episode. Atlanta traffic is is notably fucking awful.
00:12:22
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And I see people driving like absolute psychopaths all the time. But I feel like everyone I talk to from any other part of the fucking country has similar stories. I've heard that about Atlanta too.
00:12:35
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Yeah. im just saying It's just like, which is worst? You know, they're all in a top 10. Right, right. All major metros, I mean. I've yeah read that we have the second, either the second rudest or the second worst drivers in the whole country.
00:12:54
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In Pittsburgh? Really? DC gets the worst traffic. You can't be a bad driver when everyone's driving like 15 miles an hour for no reason on 95. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. They're equally bad.
00:13:08
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Right. And so in that case, that everyone is fucked. Well, so hang on a second. What about this question?
00:13:19
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How did you develop your artistic style? Which the one I kind of know the answer to also, but I'm curious to hear. I don't remember the answer. no You know, you do. You have a distinct style. You have like a it's like chaotic.
00:13:38
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Um, it, it, I mean, it varies a little bit from, from painting the painting. um but yeah, I guess you can usually tell that I made it.
00:13:51
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Because I'll have other artists like send me... This guy that I really don't even know that well sent me pictures of my stuff in like San Francisco and was like, hey, I just like walked by this shop and I said, that looks like a Ghoul-A-Rama.
00:14:08
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And it was. And it was like three of my paintings hanging up and he sent me a picture. Oh, what? Yeah. like he just So they were they weren't like on... like it It wasn't an exhibition. It was just like people... The owners bought the paintings. It might have been in know a shop, like a store for like a gallery that I worked with.
00:14:30
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But they were just like up on the wall like above the register. and he like could just Oh, that's sick! Yeah.
00:14:37
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I don't know, dude. I don't mean how you developed it, but it's like... you came to it in some way. There was a path from not doing shit with oil paints at all to making these paintings that you sell for money.
00:14:56
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um it it was a long- Which productionist I know. It was a long like process. um But it really kind of just started- It started like all of a sudden. bored.
00:15:09
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i was bored um i was a I was a writer for a long time, like in my teens and early 20s, and I really wanted to be a writer. And I was going to school when I bothered to show up for journalism.
00:15:25
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And at one point it was like secondary English education because I wanted to be able to get a job. And i was really focused on like literature and writing. And I just like got writer's block. I kind of just got sick of it and I wanted something more immediate.
00:15:40
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So I started making collages and it was kind of, it was a little bit gradual, but one day I, I had seen enough art in person or like in books that excuse me, kind of collected over the years. And I was like, you know what I'm just going to try it. Like, I'm just going to do it.
00:15:58
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And um I just got obsessed with it. Like I just started. Cause are super prolific. Yeah. I've pretty much been prolific the whole time. Yeah. It's like you, when i cause this is our first time interacting really. Like we've only kind of texted.
00:16:17
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Yeah. I wasn't sure what to expect at all, but you are like remarkably put together for what thought. you are capable of. I mean, just in terms of like lunacy, basically.
00:16:29
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i am um and pretty shrewd and like practical, like kind of pragmatic about a lot of other things. Yeah.
00:16:40
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Yeah. It's a wild. It's like a great dichotomy. um But this is like, just like an area where I don't really have. Um, I feel comfortable like kind of letting loose a little bit more.
00:16:55
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Yeah. Other than like, I guess my general sense of humor being kind of, kind of fucked up. Aren't we all like, I feel like I don't want to, I don't want to know anyone if their sense of humor isn't a little like dark and weird.
00:17:10
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Yeah. I get that. um Yeah. Well, cause it means like they have experienced something. something real there's there's no light left in these eyes i don't i don't i don't i don't have like great hope for humanity or like this country like something yeah yeah same in the paintings yeah no one is talking about that at all like that is not that is the mood of the country no one is saying hey look how fucked up things are
00:17:44
Speaker
Yeah, we've got fucking Beyonce on tour draped in American flag and, you know, giving people yeah giving people COVID over and over again. Yeah, we have nothing that approaches legitimate whatever. I mean, like... Yeah, it's just kind of like, I don't know. ah Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen. It'd be cool something happened or something changed, but I don't... I don't know. Like, none of the developments...
00:18:11
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while they have certainly been disappointing over the last decade or so, none of them have really particularly surprised me. Yeah, same. Same. I tend to, like, I hold out hope because I'm not going to give some fascist fuck the satisfaction of, like,
00:18:30
Speaker
absolute despair but that's kind of like that's a really hard thing to hold on to a lot of times and like i put that into the music that make you know that i drive across pennsylvania too much to like have been surprised by the results of right you know most of what's been going on trailer Yeah.
00:18:54
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There's that at least trailer that says like no socialism like coal. Yeah. from the penda and On on pen the turnpike. Yeah. There's another one on I-79 going north before you hit I-80 I think.
00:19:12
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so something along the says Something along those lines. But it's like in a totally different part of the state. i mean It's just yeah. I'm not a
00:19:25
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I don't consider myself a political person. I would be terrible at making like outwardly protest paintings. So that's the point I think, right? Yeah. That's not in your face. The act of making art is a ah protest in and of itself.
00:19:45
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Right. There's that. Yeah. No, um I don't. I painted shitty pictures of Joe Biden, too. So like. Right, right. Yeah, yeah people yeah. I think you got too political. i'm like dude I don't like any politicians.
00:20:01
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Yeah. Like the interchangeability of those two. Right. Like not often is it talked about Biden and Trump kind of the same. Yeah. Yeah. they're They're vastly different in many ways, but like in a lot of ways, practically, their agenda is the same. I mean, at this point, like no major political candidate or elected official that we have is any different than their quote-unquote...
00:20:31
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you know, whatever wing counterpart. Like, right um outside of maybe Rashida Tlaib, like, i I tend to give her a little bit more leeway ah than any of these other fuckers. But, like, yeah. Like, it's it's it's two wings of a capitalistic party.
00:20:48
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ah One is a little bit more covert and one is very overt. And that's basically the difference to me. Yeah. yeah i i don't stay on top of this stuff as much as I used to.
00:21:02
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yeah yeah Part of it is I just really just can't focus on it anymore. But also because i just have two toddlers with me all day yeah that I'm just constantly trying to stop um from dying.
00:21:19
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ah Once you said, I'm feeding and watering my children. Just like
00:21:28
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That's fantastic. I mean, it's not that... It's not not true. Yeah, there's... yeah It's just funny. I mean, you have a funny way of looking at the world, and I think that comes through in the art also.
00:21:41
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They are... Some of them are bleak, right? Like the dog that is like, kill me now or whatever. But it's tongue-in-cheek, and that comes across too. That's...
00:21:53
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me oh did they You know what I'm talking about? The dog? Isn't there a dog that's like with the sunglasses on? Oh, the take it easy dog. Right. And of course I said, kill me now, but the effect is the same.
00:22:09
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No, I don't make as, uh, um, many,
00:22:16
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i don't make so much stuff like that anymore. um
00:22:22
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Partially, but mostly because the community guidelines on Instagram are so funny and their AI learned how to read some of my text. So, yeah but yeah, the the world's going explode. Like the sun's going explode. Yeah. Right. That kind of shit is just...
00:22:41
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It's like visceral. I keep getting served the J.D. Vance meme painting like as an ad. yeah I see it like like in the past in the past month, I've probably seen that shit like 20 times.
00:22:54
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Good. luck I showed it to my grandparents. I showed it to my grandparents because they were like, who's coming on the show this week? And I was like, well, it's this artist that Matt and I like. does this oil all does all these oil paintings my grandmother is an artist uh and so she was like i i'm just gonna stop i don't oil at all i thought they were all oil no what you use because that is actually a question acrylic it's um it's mostly acrylic occasionally
00:23:26
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like
00:23:29
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Enamel paint, usually, like it's you that's the only oil-based paint that I use on a regular basis. I mainly make like one real oil painting a year I am far too impatient and I don't really want to do the cleanup for oil right now.
00:23:45
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Well, that's why I was like, what the fuck? This guy is doing these oil paintings. This is insane. He has children. Are you kidding me? I honestly didn't know the difference between oil painting and acrylic. So yeah um um this is an educational program. It is. It is.
00:24:00
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I love the smell of oil paint, but like, I don't. Yeah. I'm like handling people who have like new skin. Like they can't handle like the amount of cadmium that I've already absorbed into my body.
00:24:12
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Like they can't. I don't, I don't want them to have that. They have to go find it on their own. Right. Right. That when they're teenagers. Yeah. Like I found, um, my uncle painted, he had a bunch of model trains and when he passed away, I inherited a lot of his paint because it just had it.
00:24:34
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And I found some of the nastiest, best acrylic paint ever. But it had like skull and crossbones on it. Like they were not. Oh, holy shit. They were not playing with this warning.
00:24:45
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And I'm like sitting there there're just like breathing this shit in. and like, this is good shit. yeah I'm kind of sad that I ran out of it. But it was also like, I i didn't wear gloves when I was eating that paint.
00:24:57
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And that's not good for you. Like any kind of red paint back then or like oh this metallic silver, I know um I got some kind of metal poisoning from that.
00:25:11
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it It's got to be in my bones by now. Right. You make an almond without breaking eggs. I like the ah you know the the relatively non-toxic and easy cleanup of acrylics.
00:25:26
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um Yeah. No, that makes a lot more sense. I'm so used to them now, but like I, am I dry them on these radiator pipes up here.
00:25:38
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And nice it takes a little while in the summer, but when it's winter and they're full of hot water, shit dries in like 90 minutes up there. It doesn't, almost doesn't matter how thick the acrylic paint is.
00:25:50
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It just, it's done. Like it cooks it. That's what I was thinking. Cause some of them are so thick, right? Oh yeah. I can't afford that much oil paint.
00:26:00
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Not for what I charge. It was a big mystery to me. I mean, yeah, no, that's fine. So i wanted to ask about caricature because I think that's cool. I think that some, at least of your work, yeah is caricature. And so I'm wondering like what your process for that is like. I mean, if you were to do a caricature of someone.
00:26:25
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I think it depends on on the person. And also it really just has a lot to do with my mood or the amount of time I have to work. Of course. What's your mic...
00:26:37
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yeah like yeah With the time thing, what's your process like and in a way? Or how much time do you devote to each piece, I guess?
00:26:49
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Oh, shit.
00:26:53
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Doesn't have to be you know ah solid answer, but like a a scale is totally fine. just Just out of curiosity. I would say one...
00:27:06
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um Anywhere between 15 minutes and an hour. Okay. you Usually not more than an hour unless sometimes some of the ones with text over top of an image might take a little bit longer because I i don't even wait for them to dry. like I use a heat gun just so I can get it done that like sitting right then and there.
00:27:29
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Shit, that's awesome. Yeah. My heat gun broke because it's not like burning my hand when I point at me. just feels like a hairdryer. It seems like you're doing like little ah rollover pressings like you're a propagandist in the 19th century, eighteenth century. You're um one of you're putting them out fast as shit.
00:27:58
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Yeah. I started... i started
00:28:04
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So like i've I've been making art since I was about 20, but some of it was like larger, like mixed media, like collage-y kind of stuff. so Some of it had a lot of like 3D pieces um and stuff would just take me a while to finish.
00:28:22
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And I got kind of f like bored with that. And I had all this unfinished stuff. i had all this stuff that like wouldn't sell. was too big. it was too clunky.
00:28:35
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it was too expensive for people. And I just got tired of moving it around. i moved like 13 times between the time I was 20 and the time i was, i don't know, like 30.
00:28:52
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Like it was, was just tired of like giving this every year. yeah So like I made, i told myself at the end of 2017, was like, you are going to finish one a day.
00:29:05
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Wow. Like I threw away a bunch of stuff. I burned a bunch of stuff in my parents' garden. i'm like, all right, I'm just like starting over. It was like a little bit after I moved to Pittsburgh and I got settled in here and I was like, all right, I have a dedicated space. Like I'm going to like make, I'm going to make stuff that I actually want to see. And I kind of focused on that in 2017, but I got like really focused on it in 2018 where i was just like, dude, stop making shitty paintings. Like make, make a good one, finish it every single day.
00:29:40
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And um I just kept pushing myself to make stuff that I didn't think I could make.
00:29:47
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um I was like tired of like underestimating my my skill or my ability and not really like pushing myself further. so like I got really focused on doing that i was like I just got to get better at this.
00:30:04
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And, um and I guess I did. This is the program right here. that That's the program. That soundbite is the program. That's amazing, dude. That's the whole thing of it. It's like seeing how people work and how they get things done. well like i for i I know like he's like canceled now. and ah you know If you're not person who studies art or an artist, you don't know who the fuck he is probably. but Chuck Close.
00:30:31
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He passed away a few years ago, but he yeah and he probably deservedly got canceled. you know I'm not you know here or there on that, but he said a quote in one of the few art classes that I ever took in community college, and it was ah like on a video we watched. He was like, I'm paraphrasing it, but like if you want to do this, you have to treat it like a job.
00:30:56
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right You have to show up every day, even when you don't want to. Yeah. And, and just go to work. And, and that's what I do every, at least five nights a week.
00:31:11
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And I've been doing that. You work at night. right Yeah. Primarily once a while I get lucky and like, uh, on like the weekend and my kids will be, my wife will take them out of the house and I'll get to work in the morning, which I do like to do, but I, I like the time crunch. I'm just so used to working in the middle of the night.
00:31:30
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Yeah, dude, it's amazing. You're a machine. but yeah. Also, nighttime, like for a creative, I feel like is the best time.
00:31:42
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I've always been a night owl. Yeah, same, same. So like, I just, I've always like, just, that's my my happy place is being awake alone at night. Yeah, dude.
00:31:53
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Right there with you. Like, it's hard for me to, to like play music and like write songs during the day. If the sun's out, I'm just like, that's not me. not mood I usually want to do something else while the sun is out.
00:32:08
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Right. So yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of worked out. Um, I my kids go to bed and then I eat dinner watching some TV and then I usually don't start working until like midnight at like the earliest fuck it yeah yeah sometimes sometimes it's a little bit earlier but like I'll I'll time myself and be like you have you have to finish this in 30 minutes
00:32:41
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then you have to finish the next one in 15 minutes Right. Wait, so are so you're doing multiple pieces pretty much every night. yeah Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of nights where i just make one. Like, the last two nights, I just made one.
00:32:54
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um I started making, like, a little bit looser, less expensive one on, like, just panel or, like, canvas board or something.
00:33:05
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Just to, like, give people that, like, maybe can't afford a $100 painting, like, more of a chance to get to them. But... like Sometimes I'll just line up 10 canvases and be like, I'm going to make 10 canvases.
00:33:20
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All right. Fuck yeah. that's That's what I did when I had to buy a new of catalytic converter a couple years ago.
00:33:29
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That's a great story. It didn't get stolen. It just fucking fell off. Oh, shit. It run out due to top tops shelf ford engineering Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah good so like You know, water just collects in there and it rusts out. like, yeah, i love that.
00:33:48
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Love that for me. Dude, my my dad's a mechanic, and like whenever I help him work on something like that's post, I don't know, 1995 or six, I'm just like, but still and ah I'll preface this by saying, I hate shit design.
00:34:07
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like Do I know anything about designing a car? Fuck no. Do I know things that that look practical? Absolutely. And the way that most shit is designed at this point, It's ludicrous.
00:34:18
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It's absolutely fucking absurd. Well, designed not to be repairable. Yeah. oh print or Designed to be repairable, especially in cars, by people that work for a dealership that rips you the fuck off.
00:34:32
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In which case, it isn't repairable. Yeah, yeah, totally. Totally. but Like, if they're prohibiting DIY repairs, like, I can't change my fucking head headlights. Right. Right.
00:34:44
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Oh, dude. Yeah. It's ridiculous. I found i there's occasionally you can find like a hack that someone figured out how to do that.
00:34:56
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Like my um my Ford Focus had like I think the the textbook was like, it's going to take you like at least two hours change this ah headlight.
00:35:07
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And I'm like, no, that's that doesn't even make sense. Right. theyre Taking stuff out and like, yeah, nevermind. They really buried this under a bunch of shit. Like you to pull the whole battery out and the thing that holds the battery and like something else just to get to the driver's side headlight.
00:35:23
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I looked it up on YouTube and someone was like 10 minute Ford focus headlight change. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just take a rag and a screwdriver and slide it under the grill and pop it out
00:35:35
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and screw the light bulb. and I'm like, oh, well shit. Yeah. Yo, if we gotta give one thing to the modern internet, as shitty as it has gotten, ah the fact that you can go on YouTube and find a video like that is the hacks isn' incendiary. like yeah It's kind of kind of the same thing with Reddit.
00:35:53
Speaker
like I only really... i don't post on Reddit. I use it for when I have you know some asinine music gear question or something that I need to answered. and like Chances are, if there is a person...
00:36:10
Speaker
that is on the internet, they have posted on Reddit about the exact same fucking thing that you're thinking about. And you're like, cool, all right, we got this. And then there's also 30 people replying to them, answering various versions of the same question.
00:36:25
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Yeah. I get yeah like what a car repairs from Reddit and and YouTube a lot. um yeah I fixed the horn on my escape because it just stopped working and I'm like, i don't... I've never had this happen before. i guess it's better than it going off all the time, but still.
00:36:48
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No, because I really needed it one time and it didn't work because someone was swerving into my lane and I thought I was going to die and I was like, okay, I got to fix this like now. like this is yeah
00:37:03
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thisly being mut Pennsylvania in general, except for people in Philadelphia, and I don't count them as Pennsylvanians.
00:37:12
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I said it. i don't fucking care. They're not Pennsylvanians. um People in Pennsylvania are scared when you use your horn. They get scared. there's They get freaked out by it.
00:37:24
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Philadelphians do not. No, no. If you want to scare a person in a PA a license plate, honk your horn at them. They're like, oh, I don't know what to do. So, like, I just use that as a power move. So I need my horn all the time in Pittsburgh because it just gets everyone to stop driving usually, and I can just kind of maneuver around them.
00:37:43
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Right, right. I've got to try. To be fair, I don't know Philadelphians get scared of anything. Like, I love Philly. I think it's a great city. It's one of the ways to communicate with other drivers in Philadelphia.
00:37:57
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Yeah, 100%. They react to it. they don't They don't get, like, freaked out by it. but like Right, right. It's like horn, you know, gestures, a gun. Like, they they get it. They understand what you're trying to say.
00:38:10
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But most of the rest of Pennsylvania, it's like they just freeze up when they hear a horn. Yeah, yeah. So, ah yeah, I needed to fix it. And it was just like, oh, just like pop off part of your your front corner panel and like scrub the, I don't know, Ford put this thing underneath the headlight and water just like pulls into it and then it corrodes. And if you just swap all the corrosion with like a wire brush or something, the horn works again. So I did it.
00:38:40
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It took me like 10 minutes and now my my horn's been working for like a year and half now.
00:38:47
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yeah man Reddit and and YouTube like hacks might be the best human invention of the 21st century. yeah give me that Give me that over fucking... It's not a fucking invention.
00:39:00
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yeah like Well, not an invention, but you know what I mean. like it's it might be a It's a great thing. you It's where I learned how to use... like I learned how to mix colors from YouTube videos.
00:39:12
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This is the next question I was going to ask. What are your theories about color? You have some interesting color choices, certainly. There's a lot of primary colors. but So what's the deal? um I think that is one thing that I might... It might just be like a natural eye for it.
00:39:33
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he Like, it's just... Yeah. I just... um It's kind of always been there and it stayed there as my paintings got a little more realistic or a little more detailed.
00:39:48
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But I like using the louder colors and i i yeah, I watched some YouTube videos, learned how to mix them to make like shadows and stuff like that and make different like tones in a painting a little better.
00:40:04
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um And just kind of how to use color a little bit better. ah to like fill out a face or like you know the shadows on a truck or something like that but yeah a lot of it's just like or sometimes I'm just like you know what I'm just gonna paint okay this section of like the picture that I'm using as a reference is dark so I'm just gonna like start that with like ultramarine blue and I'm just gonna have to like work off of like that's the black my painting ah
00:40:37
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and just kind of It always is fascinating to me because I have no ability for art, this this type of art anyway. it' so I'm always amazed to hear about painting. I mean, a lot of it's just experimenting still.
00:40:50
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like I just ah like playing it around, but like I've also been doing it long enough that I know certain things are going to happen when I mix this or like I put this here or there, but I still really like to mess around with it.
00:41:04
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and try to make it. You're totally self-taught, right? i mean Yeah. no one No one taught me um how to paint. I did take a drawing course one time about 10 years ago because I wanted to know how you actually draw. Like use charcoal and stuff. and And I really liked it, but I just didn't like continue taking any more classes after that.
00:41:33
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It's annoying question to ask how are drawing and painting different? Um,
00:41:43
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I might not be the best question to ask for me. um yeah I don't do as much drawing as I used to.
00:41:52
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Um, I, I just get like much more interested in just making the, the painting into a painting. Um, I like drawing because it can be leisurely, um unless you're doing it and it's going to be like the finished piece. But like, it's, it's nice to be able to sketch out ideas or lay out things like that.
00:42:15
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It can be like really fast. It can be very detailed. You can take as much time as you want with it. I just don't do it as much as I used to. Like most, most of my drawings nowadays are very quick.
00:42:28
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Cause are you, you sketch out the paintings? No, not really. oh i do it with paint. sometimes magic marker.
00:42:41
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Yeah. Some of them you can see marker bleeding through. Like one of the Tyler, the creator paintings I made this weekend, you can see it. You can really only see it if you're like up close.
00:42:53
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And if you look at the back of the canvas, you can see the marker bled through. Yeah, yeah. And he's he is a great, of course.
00:43:04
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um I've always enjoyed his work. Yeah, no. I mean, what an amazing transformation to go from, like, teenage teenage idiot to, like, masterful i am masterful orchestrator. Yeah.
00:43:19
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But that, I guess, is growing up. Yeah. Thank you, thank you week 182. All right. i right yes Oh, yeah, the song.
00:43:30
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yeah Yeah, yeah. I liked Blink-182 when it was age-appropriate for me to like Blink-182, and now I'm just like... I don't remember the last time I put on a Blink-182 record. We played a couple songs for our kids recently because we just they didn't we didn we weren't taking requests from them anymore.
00:43:56
Speaker
Right. Aren't they like three... They're like four and two. Okay, yeah. That's a good... The four-year-old can definitely make requests. The two-year-old, if you understand what she's saying, she is making a request as well.
00:44:13
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Yeah. There's
00:44:18
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a so ah song called Bailando. that is in these weird like a AI videos that where they make a cat dance.
00:44:30
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Okay. And they're like just nightmarish. Yeah. that kids a lot She likes watching them because sometimes it's the only thing I can think of to calm her down. I was like, let me see a kitty cat dancing video and I'll show it to her and she'll stop screaming.
00:44:45
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And I'm like, what maybe this is a parenting or maybe she's just a weird kid. I love her. but No, that's... I found the song on Spotify and they want to hear it all the time.
00:44:58
Speaker
Oh, God. Yeah, is this like today's ah Baby Shark or or what does the fox say or whatever? It's like 1997 dance hit that I just started showing up on all these weird... Oh, that's fucking amazing.
00:45:13
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It's a good It's so weird. like My girlfriend Erin is scrolling through TikTok all the time and I'm hearing like crazy trains. And like Wood by Alice in Chains. I'm like, this is not your music. Like, yeah what do you, but i don't know. I don't look at the videos. i don't know what they're attached to.
00:45:33
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i guess. I mean, the crazy train one couldn't top could be the fact that like, yeah, the Ozzy died last week. Yeah, but I probably had the hot anything i heard them pre-death.
00:45:45
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oh shit yeah um Like grunge mu hits, like goo goo dolls, bare naked ladies, like shit from the 2000s. It's just odd. It's like stuff is recycled.
00:45:57
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it's It's kind of, I don't really understand that phenomenon that well, but like, it's like, you know, you you guys could also learn how to play guitars and like have this like for yourselves. You could make it.
00:46:12
Speaker
Right, right. and and In a weird way, it gives me hope that like the shit that I grew up with... I mean, sell vintage clothing. I've seen the the y two k shit that's been trending the past couple of years. And like it's all the stuff that...
00:46:29
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looked terrible when we were in high school um that, you know, Gen Z and Gen Alpha have been, like, super into, but I don't know. If if someone's using an Alice in Chains song, I'm kind of like, all right, maybe, maybe yeah, it's maybe shit isn't lost. you're, like, encroaching on my childhood band. No,
00:46:49
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What I'm saying is that I'm glad that it's... What video could it be? What video could it possibly be? I might not understand it, but it at least gives me hope that that shit is going to live on little bit. could be a doorway for somebody Yeah, the same way that I loved 70 shit when I was in high school.
00:47:08
Speaker
This woman I know loves Alice in Chains. She's like 20. She's from the school. She was like she was like wearing a dirt t-shirt. I was like... Sick.
00:47:19
Speaker
Yeah, good though, right? Much better than like stained. Or yeah, exactly. Or disturbed. Or static X. Yeah.
00:47:32
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Yeah, they're all out there though. They're all out there. Yeah. ah haven't have out girlsbo Like a robot version of the dude from static X playing.
00:47:44
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or like a dude and a a robot mask. Look it up. He had like ah the big hair. like a Yeah. Wow. Static X. yes He was in a ah band with Billy Corgan.
00:48:00
Speaker
Was he really? Yeah. yeah Wait. they Smashing Pumpkins. that's like That's like the beginning of a of a horror story in a band with Billy Corgan. Yeah, no shit.
00:48:12
Speaker
No shit. i know yeah I thought you were going to say he was in Zwan, the like, post-Smashing Pumpkins band that was fucking terrible. They have like one good song. Yeah, they did. I've also like, and I've come to the realization as a 40-year-old that like,
00:48:29
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I don't enjoy Smashing Pumpkins nearly as much as I thought. I love Gish and like Siamese Dream and a couple other songs here and there, but like they're they're not my favorite.
00:48:40
Speaker
No, i really I still like Melancholy. I like a lot of those songs, but be mostly because of maybe it's nostalgia. mean, I still like the songs, but I don't expect them to do that again.
00:48:56
Speaker
No, no. I think I would enjoy ah them way more well well said without Billy Corgan, honestly. Like, Jimmy Chamberlain, Darcy... ah The guitar player that I'm forgetting.
00:49:07
Speaker
James Eha? James Eha. James Eha is a fucking beast. like youco If the three of them with a different person formed a band right the fuck now, I'd be so into it.
00:49:18
Speaker
but What about Rob Zombie? I'm just thinking of that for some reason. Rob Zombie is the front man of that band. ah No. Even though I love White Zombie. Yeah, no, I don't think that would work either. no But it would be funny.
00:49:32
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It would be funny. But, like, if the three of them, like, Jimmy Chamberlain is one of the best drummers of all time. Like, ah best rock drummers of all time, you know? They all have chops.
00:49:43
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They all have chops. ah John, so, something I, like, when we were coming up with with the kind of outline for the show, something that about your art that really, like,
00:49:56
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hits me personally is it reminds me as as someone that grew up in like lower Appalachia. um It reminds me a lot of like folk and outsider art.
00:50:08
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um And I was just curious if like, there's any kind of like influence of that. Yeah. And I guess Pittsburgh is not that far from like Northern Appalachia. It's a, I've heard it called the Paris ah of Appalachia or Appalachia. Paris of Appalachia.
00:50:26
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Swear to God. I like that. I mean, I, uh, and Pittsburgh is so beautiful. Like there are definitely beautiful, beautiful areas. Yeah. you know I've only been through it. I've never spent time there. Sadly.
00:50:39
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It's the best view of it is the most terrifying for out of towners. So if you're ever here, I'll drive you through it because I'm not fucking scared. Also, I talked to people that live here and they're like, Oh, I'm so scared to go through the fort pit tunnel. and I'm like, why?
00:50:55
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And then I realized that I'm part of the reason why they're scared. I'm one of the drivers they're scared of.
00:51:02
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i'm I'm not even from here. I just um drive that way a lot. Right. And I've been doing it ever since I lived here. So I never really thought of it as being all that intimidating, but it is.
00:51:16
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um But it's like when you come from. You're going east towards the city, towards the tunnel. Like you're just like going down a hill and then you go into this tunnel and when you pop out, you can see the whole downtown and like a lot of the north side.
00:51:36
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You can see videos of it. People post them all the time. It's it's a gorgeous view. I want to say that I've actually seen that like driving from yeah but somewhere on tour to Philadelphia.
00:51:47
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Yeah. like it's It's not uncommon and it's it's frequent like if you're coming from our airport or if you're coming from like Ohio or whatever. Yeah. That you'll pop out through that that tunnel and you'll see it. and yeah it's such it's It looks so beautiful. It's like it's a great view.
00:52:07
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But it's also clustered with people that are terrified of the choices that they are now forced to make now that they're out of the tunnel. You have, unless you're in rush hour traffic, you have zero time to contemplate which one of the like five directions you must now go.
00:52:26
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Gotcha. So unless you have it memorized, um oh so GPS will not help you in time if you are going to speed limit. Yeah, it won't. It will not save your ass. It also seems to like just stop working in downtown Pittsburgh.
00:52:42
Speaker
Even though Google has a fucking second campus there, it's insane. they like I know, I flipped off their their Google cars before.
00:52:51
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Just bastards, I mean. You would think they'd be able to get their maps right in their own backyard. Also, going into the tunnel from the other direction is, I guess, intimidating and scary. But I like just just like rushing right into it and it's It's fun for me now.
00:53:14
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Tunnels are scary. I mean, ah people get real scared. Well, I don't know how they built them. Why, how did they build them in the first place? Especially like the underground ones, like they have in Baltimore. It just doesn't make any sense.
00:53:28
Speaker
Oh dude. i don't understand the Baltimore tunnels at all. And I know when I'm there, I'm not going the direction I want to go. Yeah. It's a, it's a red flag when I'm in a tunnel in Baltimore. I'm like I don't want to fucking be here.
00:53:42
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You went the wrong way. Yeah, I'm going to get Well, you can stop on pass next time. I mean... i feel like that in Boston. Shea Fowler is always welcome. I have... um The only, like, one or two times that I've driven by Boston, i have avoided it completely. And one time, I did it proudly without GPS.
00:54:06
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Just like, I'm going go west. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to go west for a while until it looks less civilized, then I'm going to go north because I was going to Rhode Island. Yeah. but
00:54:20
Speaker
ah Wait, so you're not from Pittsburgh originally. Where'd you grow up? I grew up... I had... And my parents still have a Harrisburg address.
00:54:31
Speaker
Okay. But really, we were closer to Hershey. Okay, gotcha. You know, you'd always smell like cow shit. Right.
00:54:42
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And chocolate. You know what? Hershey Park does they when they closed the factory, which I don't even remember how long ago that was. It stopped smelling like chocolate so much.
00:54:55
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Damn. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. That's a bummer. Let's be real. Yeah. My chocolate my most milk chocolate is horrible. Mostly what I remember as a local is that when it rains,
00:55:07
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their sewage treatment plant stinks. And mostly what I think of is human feces when I think of the smell of Hershey, Pennsylvania. Right. and hershing Yeah. um I think they might have improved that, but I don't, I don't really, i haven't, I've moved away like nine years ago, so I don't know how much better it's gotten.
00:55:30
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Right. Right. Harrisburg is the capital, right? And next to Le Moyne. Yeah, I lived in Le Moyne for a few years. Yeah, I played many a show in Le Moyne back in the day. yeah Did you play at The Wire?
00:55:42
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ah No, I played at Championship Final. Championship. Yeah, yeah. I played there five or six times. And my old band took a took a picture running up the Harrisburg Capitol steps.
00:55:59
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It's a beautiful Capitol. I worked in downtown Harrisburg for like It's literally like they're literally right next to each other. Like you run into each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, have we kind of, we didn't like an SSD type, a picture with our straight edge varsity jackets.
00:56:16
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Uh, this was a long time ago. So. okay
00:56:21
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Wow. I, I never, um, I'm more straight edge now than I guess I ever had been. yeah. Yeah.
00:56:34
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i I like to party pretty pretty hard e pretty early on. Gotcha. Yeah. I was editing until I was almost 26. And, like, from 15. So, it was... think I made it to 13.
00:56:51
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Maybe 12. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I do say, it like... like I still respect straight edge and i have a bunch of friends that are, and like it taught me moderation in a lot of ways. Um, I do think that if I had smoked weed when I was a teenager, i would have been probably a much better person and a much chiller person.
00:57:10
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Uh, I smoked weed for the first time when I was like 13. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Behind a maybe I was 12. I don't remember.
00:57:22
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It was behind the like uni mart, in our, in our little like township. And, uh, we were supposed to be at like the mayday for the elementary school. Right. And I smoked weed with two of these kids. One's one's in prison and the other one is, um, deceased.
00:57:38
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and Oh shit. Okay. Wow. Um, but I remember they were like, dude, check this out. And they hit a bunch of like joints behind the uni mart and we smoked them. And then like, I didn't really feel anything.
00:57:48
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Um, but I went to mayday and ate like 10 hot dogs. Um, ah yeah And then I rode my bike to my house and drank a three, a three liter bottle of root beer.
00:58:03
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Wow. yeah that's That's a Pennsylvania story right there. That is. The dictile vomited like all over my house. And I was like, I can't wait to do that again.
00:58:17
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wow That sounds like real story. I make up for it now when I smoke a joint and make a couple of like peanut butter banana sandwiches. i'm Like, yeah, fuck yeah. And drink like two liters of water.
00:58:29
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Oh, that makes my, my 40 year old bladder hurt. Just thinking about it.
00:58:37
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It's not what it used to be. no yeah, it's true. It's true. Coffee and water are basically the the two liquids that I consume more than anything else. so that's Yeah, that's pretty much all I drink. Well, water is definitely an important one.
00:58:53
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Hey, I've never dehydrated. um What? Right. um No, I'm really not. I guess even today that good at moderation, but like it was not, it was not my strong suit for my teens and twenties.
00:59:10
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Um, no, yeah, no, I still haven't quite learned. It was, it was, it was, um, let's just say I had a lot of fun, but I also had a lot of not fun.
00:59:21
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yeah Yeah. Yes. Yes. That is the tale of the twenties for many. ah lot of dark stuff happens. Like lot of like me wandering but me wandering through like Kensington with a knife. And I'm like... yeah my friend my friend liam My friend Liam, God bless him, also an alcoholic, went to pit and just like walked around in the pouring rain for like six hours.
00:59:54
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Just all over the city. like The heel of the boot was destroyed. It's... that's like what it's, it that's what it's all about. I never, actually never did that in Pittsburgh. I only got drunk here a handful of times.
01:00:09
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um We never left his house. We would, we would come up all the time we'd never leave the house. Yeah, I get that. That's why I liked visiting my friends in Philly. Cause they didn't really want to know. They like to go on adventures.
01:00:21
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We'd like do a bunch of acid and like chase animals that didn't exist. ha I got real obsessed about chasing this raccoon and and my buddies were like, dude, you got stop.
01:00:34
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There wasn't a raccoon under a patrol car. And they're like, you got it. The police, please don't care. Yeah. Yeah. No, not about, uh, not about hallucinogen.
01:00:47
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That makes me think i I need to eat more acid than I have before. Well, cause I haven't tripped that hard yet. You got, you gotta to have time. one I don't know what why we got so obsessed about this, but the one night my friend and I decided, oh wait, we hated his roommates. So we decided to throw all of their stuff out the window of their apartment.
01:01:13
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Very good. And they were his roommates. Everyone does. I really just was along for the ride. um He lived on the 13th floor of this building. ah well So we were trying to throw stuff onto the train tracks, but most of it was just landing in the parking lot next to people.
01:01:32
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Oh no. Yeah. So there was like, we cleaned out the fridge even like it was real, got real weird in there. Yeah.
01:01:42
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Got managed to get something onto the train tracks. I don't remember what it was. God bless the state of Pennsylvania. Yeah. there's There's not a whole lot to do. So, you know, just fuck some shit up. Right.
01:01:54
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Yeah. that's what That's what I'm saying. it just is like yeah It's chaos. There's lots of stuff to do. It's just you're like 19 years old. You can't think of all the other great things there are to do. At least I couldn't.
01:02:08
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Like, yeah, i like going hiking and this is a great state to do that. And like camping and stuff. I know, I'm not dogging the state. i know I know it has nice stuff. It has a lot of nice stuff, even.
01:02:19
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but i like I like visiting the panhandle of Maryland because it's scary. Yes. it's like what else What is the panhandle of Maryland?
01:02:31
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Like the... Like Chesapeake? Virginia and West Virginia. Oh, okay. It's like... Comedown... Yeah. Cumberland, all those places. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:45
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I like Cumberland. I've, I've been there a few times. Um, a come down. I mean, but like, yeah, once you get out of there, it gets a little sketchy. Yeah. There's a lot of, um, interest there out there in the, the hinterlands of Maryland. Like we just actually just were out in, uh, Hagerstown.
01:03:11
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um Hagerstown Frederick area, which, like, I didn't see any Confederate flags, but there was this woman. i told Matt this already. We're at this, like, beach, basically. And this woman is just, in Spanish, praying.
01:03:31
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She has a microphone. She's attached to a speaker. She just is praying and praying and praying. Alleluia! Alleluia, Jesus! And...
01:03:43
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It's a fucking public beach, basically. There's nothing to be done about this, apparently. And so the park ranger, like, goes and asks her to turn it down a little bit. She doesn't she doesn't ever stop. She does this for, like, an hour.
01:03:59
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I've never seen anything like it. That's beautiful. Matt says a car a Caucasian ah hate preacher out there, you know? Like, that's, like, something you see occasionally, but, like,
01:04:12
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This kind of inter intercultural proselytization, very unusual. Yeah. Also, like not to stereotype, but a lot of aren't a lot of Hispanics Catholic?
01:04:23
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So like that doesn't really that doesn't really me track with what I know about Catholicism. It's usually evangelical assholes. No, I would think it was unusual to see that kind public thing like that. I thought going to put a curse on me. She came over...
01:04:40
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Someone put a curse on me ah in Atlanta. yeah In Atlanta? Really? Yeah. You buried the lead. was i was I spent like a week there, I guess 10 years ago now, and like this lady asked me for a cigarette, and i was like no, and she's like she put a curse on me.
01:04:59
Speaker
Wait, what where in Atlanta was this? Just if you remember.
01:05:05
Speaker
Downtown. Okay. It was... why are you trying to watch out for it no no just just curious because that that seems like something that would happen downtown and maybe nowhere else in the city it was near that like mall thing that's underground oh okay yeah near underground atlanta that tracks yeah that tracks yeah it was really like a block away from that and like someone was like dude why don't you just give her a cigarette i'm like no they're like she cursed you i'm like don't fucking care it worked well
01:05:38
Speaker
And maybe the curse is just lifted.
01:05:42
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Yeah. it's worth As much as I love Atlanta, like no one puts any, and including the city government, no one puts any effort into like downtown proper, which could be so cool and has been so cool in the past.
01:05:57
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i am It's very desolate. Mostly. I watched the walking dead. Yeah. I was like, Huh. And then I'm like, I'm taking the like tram or the, I don't know what that thing is called. monster Yeah, the monorail in front of the airport. And I'm like, oh, that's why they filmed something about the apocalypse here.
01:06:18
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Yeah, yeah. MARTA is one of, if not the only, mostly privately funded public transit in the country, which is why it's so shitty. And then a lot of the surrounding counties have have been scared about expanding, or it expanding into them for probably as long as I've been alive, honestly. okay ah Because, you know, the riffraff are going to go to the suburbs.
01:06:46
Speaker
Well, yeah. Quote-unquote riffraff. They mean something more pointed. Yeah, yeah. i'm I'm paraphrasing in a way. where' eupheizing We're euphemizing. Euphemizing.
01:07:00
Speaker
I hear what you're saying. i get under underground but There's no metro stop in Georgetown in D.C.? Probably. yeah yeah Underground used to be cool as shit. like there were like There were tons of restaurants and clubs and stuff. that like like It was a big part of the um kind of like blues and you know underground like that kind of underground music scene in the 80s and ninety s and then it's just like i don't know.
01:07:27
Speaker
Downtown Georgia State's there. The World of Coke is there. the Aquarium's there. And that's about it. No, I know which world of Coke you're talking about. Yeah.
01:07:38
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and No, no. I mean the world of Coca-Cola, like proper. but Yeah. Yes. no My father and I made a bunch of jokes about that when we saw it. Atlanta also has always had a lot of Coke in general, so we'll leave it at that.
01:07:56
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John, dude, this has been super fucking fun and hearing about you know your process and and your where you come from what you do. and yeah Please shout out your account so everyone can follow you and keep up with the cool last shit that you make.
01:08:14
Speaker
Thank you. I'm glad we finally got to do this. For a person with no job, I'm very hard to get a hold of. Yeah. yeah still ah yeah and um Yeah, it's at Ghoulorama on Instagram.
01:08:36
Speaker
G-H-O-U-L-O-R-A-M-A. Somebody tried to email me. Someone tried to email me from FedEx or no UPS. I wanted something scanned and she spelled it wrong even though i wrote it out.
01:08:56
Speaker
Yeah. Not surprising. It was an arduous arduous adventure to UPS that day. yeah but um i go thank you Thank you for having me on. Yeah, dude.
01:09:07
Speaker
It's been a fucking blast. Exceeded all expectations. so Totally. totally Thank you. We'll do it again in the future as we're wont to do. Please do. Hell yeah.
01:09:18
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Well, everyone, thank you for listening. um We are ApocalypseDuds on Instagram, ApocalypseDuds at gmail.com if you want to send us an email or a meme or something.
01:09:31
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I think to date we probably only... Send us a virus. i mean yeah ah they he Send us something. Yeah, I've been making this pitch since the beginning and I think we've maybe gotten... We did get an email. We got an email. We've gotten like three over the course of almost... or Actually, we've gotten three in the course of three years.
01:09:50
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Matt specifically got fan mail. So we've gotten some mail. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Hit us up. I'm going to send stuff to it now. Please do. Please do. you Send us some, send us some unreleased art. It's going to be inappropriate.
01:10:05
Speaker
Please. That's, sweet that's totally fine. It's inappropriate as my middle name. It's true. And yeah, everyone again, thank you for listening, John. thanks for coming on.
01:10:16
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I am Matt Smith at rebels rogues. And I Connor Flower at Connor Flower. And we shall see you next week.
01:10:29
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Ta-da! Bye.