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Tim Matz on Community, Family, Training and Moving Like a Human!
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In this episode, we welcome Tim Matz to explore the profound lessons we can learn from nature and how they shape our lives. We begin by discussing the wisdom nature offers and how embracing its principles can lead to a more harmonious existence.
We delve into the importance of community—how connection and collaboration contribute to personal growth and collective well-being. Then, we reflect on the concept of comfort, examining its impact on modern life and how stepping outside our comfort zones can foster resilience.
The conversation shifts to family dynamics with the question: How can we be a healthy family? How can you stay healthy with a family? This flows into a discussion on movement and fitness, discussing the joy of training like a kid and rediscovering playfulness in the gym and outdoors. Finally, we expand on the idea of training like a human, emphasizing functional movement, adaptability, and reconnecting with our primal instincts.
This episode is a holistic exploration of living in alignment with our natural design, building meaningful connections, and moving with intention. We hope you enjoy it!
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:01
Liev Dalton
Welcome everybody to another episode of the beyond train podcast. I'm your host, Liam Dalton. If you're new around here, consider subscribing or following the show. And if you like the show, give us a a rating or review, a comment, like all these ways are great ways to support the show. Obviously sharing is one of the best ways to get this word out. Uh, you know, kind of share that podcast around. So all of it, of course, we really appreciate it.
Guest Introduction: Tim Mats
00:00:23
Liev Dalton
We have an amazing episode today. I really looking forward to this. We have a Mr. Tim mats. He's a fantastic mind.
00:00:31
Liev Dalton
Really forward holistic thinker, um, found him through Instagram, actually, you know, one of the double edge, um, pirates of social media, uh, sort of the good side of things we can connect with these great minds. So, um, really glad that, that I came along his work and and his page and stuff like that. So really look forward to this discussion. Uh, Mr. Mads, thank you so much for coming on today.
00:00:51
Tim
Thanks, Lev. I'm happy to be here. It gives me hope that young minds, young beings like you have the courage and just presence to step just bravely into the world, talking about what you're talking about. And yeah, i feel I feel really happy to be here, so thanks.
00:01:09
Liev Dalton
and ra um Appreciate that. I'm
What is Health?
00:01:12
Liev Dalton
really looking forward to hearing your answer to our introductory question. I ask all my guests to kind of give a little definition of health. What does health mean to you? How does it manifest? What does it look like? ah You can really take this in in any direction that you'd like. So I'll give you the floor and we'll get a little definition here.
00:01:30
Tim
Yeah, I mean, health to me is simply to align with natural law. And for me, like I had this, I was able to stop seeking almost when I just realized I needed to look to how nature shaped us. And so to me, the root issue is that we've been removed from our habitat and now we live in zoos and we're fighting our way back to equilibrium just like nature always seeks to go back to equilibrium and so I think when we're in that balanced state when when we're an integrated organism within the greater organism that is all just one being essentially we're able to maintain homeostasis and as soon as we start to
00:02:22
Tim
leave. And we don't have those inputs, those inputs that shaped us, everything from light, magnetism, nutrition, relationship, you know, intimacy, belonging on the planet, all of those things. um Everything affects our physiology, as you know. So um yeah, to me, it's like not leaving a stone left unturned as we move just closer to nature. And Funny enough, that's like a really radical thing so today that's to um to align with natural law. We're being fed a transhuman future and so much convenience that's pulled us out of our, ah you know, this re this reciprocity that we've lived with for so many thousands of years that has
00:03:14
Tim
built to us, you know this elemental makeup that we embody is just a micro of the macro out there. And so to me, it's just moving closer towards our habitat and in whatever way we can do that. And unfortunately, that's a bit harder today than maybe a while back. But there's there's still ways to do it. Yeah, I think i think that's probably how I'd answer that question.
Understanding Natural Law
00:03:40
Liev Dalton
Yeah, beautiful, beautiful answer. And I would completely agree with, with pretty well everything there. Like that's a really similar take to kind of what we're talking about here, you know, inspiration and learning from nature. um You know, we always say about disease that disease is just distance from the source distance from, you know, the creator from our realm nature, what we're, what we're, we are a part of, you know, we're not, we don't live in nature. We are.
00:04:09
Liev Dalton
nature, right? So losing that connection to, like you were saying, natural principles, natural law. um I think that's one of the things and ah that we need to you know reintegrate into our life. So I'm really curious about you know this concept of natural law and natural principles. you know how How did you kind of come to that conclusion to kind of implement that into your philosophy, into your approach to to you know movement and life and um you know what What did you kind of learn? What are some of these principles of natural law?
00:04:39
Tim
Yeah. I mean, I, I don't know when it was sometime 10 years ago or something like that. I just, I mean, to me, it seems so obvious now, but meanwhile, everybody's, you know, fighting about what, what, what to eat, what, what to wear, what, you know, what not to wear, where to spend your time indoors, outdoors. Does it matter? Lighting, magnetism, all these things. And to me, it's just like modernity.
00:05:09
Tim
You know, the time that we have, like where we're at now and all the technological advances that have pulled us further away from the natural environment that shaped us is a grain of sand on the beach of human evolution. You know, it's just a, it's like a, it's such an insignificant amount of time. And in that amount of time, we see the advent of all these Neolithic diseases.
00:05:38
Tim
and it's just like you look back it's like to me it doesn't there's no it's not even a debatable thing that we need animal foods yet for some reason it's such a polarized thing and to me it's so obvious that we are meant to be outside as much as possible and so I feel like it's it's so obvious that It's hard for me to even entertain any of the polarized debates that are going on because I'm just like, I can't even have conversations with people about nutrition anymore because I feel like we have way more important things to talk about, like how to actually come back into the human village, which I think is one of the biggest aspects of our disconnect.
The Role of Community
00:06:19
Tim
The sickness that we have, you know, that's also been fed to us by, in my opinion, the powers that be just to keep us polarized and keep, you know, profiting off of our weakness and sickness is
00:06:31
Tim
to have us fearing each other. And you know and we we saw that with COVID and we saw that with, we see that all the time. It's like, its we don't even know our neighbors. People live in suburbia and they're they're afraid of their neighbors. and
00:06:45
Tim
And I think that there's a different narrative when you actually just like step out into the world, you know, like, for instance, in your community or like our community, you go to the co-op and you could go to, you know, you get into the local world and like, there's actually just good, there's nice people, they're good people, you know, there's a bunch of humans walking around that are all seeking love and connection and sense of being and place and safety on this planet. And there's all this noise and like, um,
00:07:12
Tim
So I think it's just so important to to recognize all these intrinsic ah aspects of what it what it means to be human, which obviously goes beyond just movement and food and all of it at the heart of it is really just about relationship. And so Everyone's hung up on how to eat, what not to eat, how to move, how not to move. You wouldn't even believe inside the movement world. It's as polarized as you can get. But like, in my opinion, most people are missing the why of human movement, the why of nutrition. And it's like the, it's the relationship side. It's the historically
00:07:52
Tim
we lived in interdependence with each other in the natural world and when we moved through the landscape it was for food, it was for safety, it was for our village itself and the village recognized itself as integral an integral part of nature that is indebted to nature and so we revered the natural world, we worshipped the natural world and we lived in a way and made choices that made sure that the natural world would continue on for future generations and now And now we see people living for, you know, this hyper individualistic world. It's all about the possessions you can acquire and just how convenient your world can be. And so, yeah, I mean, to to me, it's just getting back to those those principled ways that shaped us and that that involves the social, the nutrition, the
00:08:45
Tim
you know, our relationship with the sun and place. And I think that I think the sense that the relationship with place is the biggest, the biggest one, you know, there's this epidemic of loneliness and like lack of purpose and meaning. And to me, I'm like, well, of course, of course, there's a sense of lack of meaning. Originally, there was no real meaning. Meaning was just like we were just here to be and like just being a part of The reciprocal flow of life with nature is a magic. It's like a magical thing. It's just it's and it's full. It's just like it's the juice of life and you love your life and it's beautiful and you watch you watch the things come and go and the natural cycles and you love it and you grieve it and all of it is just fueling and feeding life. And so I'm like, well, of course you don't feel like you're you're you're you're built. You were born into a machine that values your productivity.
00:09:43
Tim
There's no meaning in that. There's no meaning, like, you know, you acquire a bunch of things and by the end of your life, they mean nothing to you. There's no meaning in that. And so it's this, the depth of relationship with each other and with nature is, is the, is the founding element that all the other things are born out of. So, yeah.
00:10:02
Liev Dalton
That's beautiful, man. I couldn't agree more that relationships, I love kind of looking through the lens of relationships, even when it comes to something like nutrition or movement, right?
00:10:16
Liev Dalton
You kind of have a relationship to your food and your food system.
00:10:16
Tim
Mm hmm.
00:10:19
Liev Dalton
So like, even integrating principles, like when I talk about nutrition, like, you know, like,
00:10:20
Tim
Mm hmm.
00:10:26
Liev Dalton
really trying to get to like a pragmatics like point two, right? How can you connect more with your food source? Cause then you're guaranteed to eat a better diet. You know, we don't we don't need to argue about this or that, or you can eat this or you can't eat that.
00:10:39
Liev Dalton
Go to a farm and buy what they have to sell. Go to a farmer's market. And what are the people in your community producing? You know, are are they producing cheeses and you know, cured meats or whatever it is, right?
00:10:49
Liev Dalton
Like, um, they're, they're producing this stuff, right?
00:10:50
Tim
Yeah.
00:10:52
Liev Dalton
Or or fish, right? We have a lot of fish obviously on the coast here. So, you know, connecting with what's available and you can eat the best seafood year round here, you know, so like what's in season, what are we fishing at this time? What, you know, right now there's less eggs being produced and less milk because it's a really dark time of the year. So like it's natural. I go to the farm and he doesn't have enough eggs. Right. Like, so, um, I really liked that sort of.
00:11:17
Liev Dalton
view of, of looking at things through relationship with movement, right? You're looking at the relationship to your own body, right? Tuning into what it feels like to move, how, how to move, you know, what, how to move for your life too. Right. So, um, obviously relationship with other people is fundamental. We were talking before the show, you know, a little bit about home. What I love about the East coast here is such a great community feel very strong communities. You know, like I know all my neighbors and I know, you know, go to the,
00:11:46
Liev Dalton
local stores, things like that. You get to know the people in your community.
Impact of COVID-19 on Community Ties
00:11:49
Liev Dalton
And, um, I feel like, you know, you kind of mentioned the powers of being, I don't love to talk about it too, too much, right? Cause I think it takes the focus off solutions. Obviously not that you're doing that, but, um, you know, I would agree that there is, there is something there to destroy kind of this community value, this, these familial systems that we have in place that are really natural, you know, like with COVID, um, that was the most divided I've ever seen.
00:12:16
Liev Dalton
like our communities here. Um, and it was the most lonely that I ever felt.
00:12:18
Tim
Mm hmm.
00:12:20
Liev Dalton
That's for sure. You know, like, cause I really love being in the community, you know, you know, I love just chat with, you know, the random fellow down the road, you know, like, um, all that stuff is, is what life is about, you know, connecting with other people.
00:12:35
Liev Dalton
Um, I think beautiful.
00:12:35
Tim
For sure. Yeah, I mean, think about like, if if we're once sorry, sorry to interrupt you real quick, but like,
00:12:39
Liev Dalton
No, go ahead, please.
00:12:40
Tim
Think about like we are one organism and how how what would be the best way to disempower us is to like split us up into all sorts of parts that just fight each other.
00:12:54
Tim
And so and so to me, yeah, it's it's it's like i never I don't like to focus on the powers that be, but it's it's like until you until you recognize that there's this profiteering
00:13:00
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:13:06
Tim
Paradigm that we were born into that like we're there's no profits to be made through deep wellness or maybe there is and maybe that's the next maybe that's the next phase of Our collective work together and I I hope and I pray for that time to come and maybe I'll see it in my life Maybe not and not but we're doing the work for the future generations anyway, so whether I see it or not is I'll still show up the best I can but I you know, we're so strong together. It's like re-villaging together. And it's like when you realize that we have the power to take care of ourselves and each other, then you actually don't need governance. And so then everything starts to, you start to see the holes in the whole puppet show. And then it's all like, whatever. So yeah, I agree with you. I don't like to focus on the negative stuff. I like to focus on,
00:13:56
Tim
just how can we bring the nourishment from all these elements just back in so that we can find our our wholeness and togetherness again.
00:14:01
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:14:04
Liev Dalton
Love it, man. I just thought of this quote when you were kind of speaking there about, you know, showing up to the best version of yourself, even though you might not see the fruits of your labor. Um, you know, he who plants a tree and knows that he'll never sit in the shade understands the meaning of life.
00:14:20
Tim
o So good.
00:14:20
Liev Dalton
I couldn't tell you who said that, but that's something that's always resonated with me. And it that kind of just like, it's all I could think of when you were talking there, you know?
00:14:29
Tim
So good.
00:14:31
Liev Dalton
Yeah. So like, I think that's a, I don't know, like this whole question of meaning, you know, it's been one that ah since we've asked, we've had to kind of come up with this answer, right? Because we have this need, you know, to know things and understand how everything works and, um, sort of this discomfort of like the unknown, right? Um, it's, it's a scary thing. And I feel like that's why we go down these, you know,
00:14:58
Liev Dalton
extremely detailed routes and science, you know, we're even beyond things that are helpful towards like our, our being, right? Our existence. And, um, but it's kind of this obsessive need to know everything. And for me, like getting comfortable in being an unknown has been such a fundamental thing and being comfortable in discomfort. Um, I know that, you know, you kind of briefly mentioned this earlier, this, this idea that we are all so comfortable now, right? Like everything, we live pretty cushy lives.
00:15:28
Liev Dalton
Um, you know, so I think that, you know, being in some sort of discomfort, experiencing the elements, right? Raining, windy, whatever it is, like experiencing that discomfort, getting comfortable in that.
00:15:41
Liev Dalton
These are fundamental things that we've lost, right? And this kind of ties in, I think to one of the reasons why we're so unhealthy too. We're, we're kind of lost even to understand the cycles of nature, different stuff like that.
00:15:51
Liev Dalton
Right.
00:15:52
Tim
the
00:15:52
Liev Dalton
Um, yeah. Any, any thoughts on that?
00:15:55
Tim
Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, humans are just like any other animal, like you provide the convenience and they want to conserve their energy and they move, they move towards it. It's a,
00:16:09
Tim
because we like feeling good, you know, all the things play on like, that it's, we like feeling warm. We like feeling cozy. um But I think that we sacrifice our vitality and our aliveness and our connection to the landscape essentially because Yeah, it's those, it's, you know, you spend enough time. It's probably, it's probably some wicked weather where you're at and it's cold and stormy and stuff like that. But like you go outside and then, you know, normally it's like we're, because we weren't raised in it, we kind of shield from it or we kind of cringe to the elements. But like, I mean, like open to just being like, I'm going to go outside and let this rain like hit my skin and I'm going to feel the cold and I'm going to experience shivering. It's like, nobody ever regrets jumping in a cold stream. Ever.
00:16:53
Tim
you know You always have resistance to getting in the cold stream, but you finally just get down there and do it and you get out and you're howling at the moon, you're alive. and so
00:17:04
Tim
Yeah, to me to me, it takes a bit of it takes a bit of effort to like just make a commitment to putting yourself into the elements, but you just, you feel so alive. And the more, to me, that's the huge issue with the whole lack of belonging and sense of place. It's like, when you go out into the wilderness or nature anywhere and you start to recognize the plants, you can identify them.
00:17:31
Tim
You recognize the animals that interact with those plants. You recognize your dependence on those animals and maybe you even take up pursuing them and harvesting them yourselves. And then all of a sudden you're not alone anymore. You're at home. You have a deep sense of belonging because, you know, if you walk into a room with a bunch of strangers at a party or something,
00:17:52
Tim
You're like, I feel by myself. I don't recognize anyone. I don't feel connected to the environment. I'm feeling a bit insecure, all this and that. And that's like basically what it's like for the modern human. You know, you see people that go out into the woods and they got, they're like astronauts, you know, they got like poles and like they're covered in gear and they're just like shielding themselves as they navigate the Martian landscape of earth ah their home and you're like well no wonder you don't feel at home like you're not even you're not even interacting you don't have any relationship with with the beings that are all around you and so i think that when we step out of the elements and like
00:18:31
Tim
Like I can see oak and madrone and fur and rose like outside my window right now. I recognize all these beings. And so when I go outside, those are my friends. I see them. I know them. And I have i have a sense of place. I have a sense of belonging. And then once you have a sense of place and you have all of these beings around you that are sentient in themselves and can perceive us and you start to be in a real living relationship with the animate other, and then you're not alone anymore. And I think that, yeah, I mean, so much talk about meaning in this and that. And it's like, anybody who's fortunate enough to be in a ah loving family that has
00:19:13
Tim
some grandparents and some babies and like some some levels to the family. like is Is there any like meditating on what your meaning is as it as it relates to the trade you do or the things you've acquired or how you'll be known or remembered or is it just like in that moment you're in an integrated, loving family structure and you're just you see your babies eating and playing and you're just present. You're just being. And there's the deepest meaning you could ever experience. It's not attached to anything outside of just that experience of integration with our people. And that and when that extends from and that's amazing in and of itself, but when that extends to your recognition,
00:20:02
Tim
and your your reciprocal relationship with nature and that when you when you can when you can like feed that and honor that and you bring that sacred element into the family structure, then then we're talking about another level of integration for the and that's that's the that's home for the human animal.
00:20:21
Tim
and
00:20:22
Tim
my prayers My prayer is that we can all get back there somehow, some way. and I think it and it starts and it starts in little communities like you know Nova Scotia, like you see, and like and little places like where I'm at, where we're we're doing our best to step towards that and light up the cards we were dealt. and i can just I can vouch and say that I've lived in little extended villages in a number a number of places in my life. and It is so nourishing and it's so it's so fulfilling and you just feel um so connected and like you have a like you're in your place. And I think that that would really that would really solve for a lot of the stuff that we see going.
00:20:22
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:21:03
Liev Dalton
Yeah, absolutely. Like I think, I think that's, that's beautiful. Kind of getting back to that, that the family, the community unit, all of these things, right there, they're also intertwined. And I think that, you you know, for me, a lot of it started with my own self exploration, um, because I was kind of on this, you know, I mean, I was on a path that was not necessarily aligned with a lot of these values and.
00:21:29
Liev Dalton
Um, through a lot of that like exploration for me, you know, it was really helpful to kind of realize that, okay, I do need to align myself with my family, with my community. You know, how do I, how do I not even make a name for myself, but just improve my community, add some value to those around me? You know, so, you know, wanting to do stuff on an extremely macro scale, you know, like nationally, you know, globally stuff like that, right? Like.
00:21:57
Liev Dalton
I don't know, there's something ah ah ah but about me, like there's something so meaningful about looking at your community and being like, how, what can I bring to the table here? Right. And not, it's not about building a name, but you know, you kind of do, right?
00:22:09
Liev Dalton
Like you, you know, you know, so many people in the community, you're not building your name necessarily, but you're building this beautiful circle.
00:22:12
Tim
For sure
00:22:15
Liev Dalton
Like people know you, they know your impact that it motivates other people. Like for me, you know,
00:22:20
Tim
Yeah.
00:22:21
Liev Dalton
If you want to, if somebody asked me like, Oh, how do I improve this person in my life? How do I, you know, get them to be better or whatever? Like everyone wants to be like, Oh, how do I get my parents to be better? My, my siblings or my significant other, my friends, how do I improve them?
00:22:35
Liev Dalton
How do I improve them? It all starts with improving yourself, right? And that resonates in other people and it spreads like wildfire.
00:22:38
Tim
For sure.
00:22:41
Liev Dalton
That's contagious. You you know, so like, if you want to improve other people, you got to improve yourself.
00:22:43
Tim
Yes.
00:22:46
Liev Dalton
And it's so. It's so intertwined. You can see it in your community because you're there, you're showing up, you're present. And there's a certain amount that, you know, we have this beautiful social media, right?
00:22:56
Liev Dalton
That it can be, it can be great and it can be really bad, but trying to use it, like, and have even that online community is something I've, I've found that's been strong as well.
00:23:06
Tim
mhm.
00:23:06
Liev Dalton
You know, like, you know, but I, I still think that there's this something about the energy and the resonance of a local community. That's so, so important. showing up for your family, showing up for your community.
00:23:19
Liev Dalton
You're obviously a family man.
00:23:20
Tim
For sure.
00:23:21
Liev Dalton
You have a couple, a couple of kids and you're out, you're still working out. You're still being healthy. You know, how do you, how do you find the time for, for that in such a busy world?
Balancing Family and Health
00:23:31
Tim
Yeah. I mean, everything it's, it's changed. You know, I've had to just to be adaptable since coming onto the internet and getting all the attention I've got and then people wanting to work with me. And so it's been, I have to, I have to create, I have to schedule it in for myself. Honestly, I have to be really strategic with my time. Cause like, like we're talking about, there's all these, all these relationships, all these aspects to, you know, a healthy, a healthy family unit.
00:24:00
Tim
And my own self, you know, like I have to maintain my own practice because like you said, like it starts with me and it's how how I hold myself and my practice and how I embody, which is going to shape my boys and which supports my wife and supports our community and our our ability to show up for others. And so.
00:24:20
Tim
Yeah, i have to I get up really early. like That's one thing is I get up at 4.30 in the morning. um I do my practice, ah my sitting practice. And usually my oldest boy Quill is up around 4.30 or 5 as well. And we usually hang out and just do our thing. Flip the red light on or some candles and chill. We wait for the sunrise. Mom's catching up on sleep because Angus is keeping her up still. He's about to be night ween soon. and you know you just you you I've spent so many years in practice and in training that where if you if you put enough time in, it becomes intrinsic. like I can't live without my movement practice. I have to um i have to have it. and it's It's integrated into our family structure.
00:25:09
Tim
you know so like We got my living room is filled with implements that I can use to train. You know, I've got kettlebells, sandbags. There's all sorts of stuff around for us to just, it's in our face. It's like it's it's there all the time. um i obviously I have my little outdoor dojo, which is just outside the door.
00:25:31
Tim
Um, here in my office, I've got, you know, a 32 kilo kettlebell and a hundred pound sandbag. I can get underneath that and do some breathing, some deep pressure therapy or lifted or do kettlebell swings or whatever. I've got, I've got it everywhere. And, um, yeah, so it's, it's just a part of my lifestyle. Like I can't live without it. And, um,
00:25:53
Tim
And it's been supremely rewarding to bring that to my boys because you see them just taking to it. And I think when we when we've when we foster that environment,
00:26:07
Tim
Holy cow, it's unreal to see the kinesthetic awareness and the strength and mobility and confidence that my boys are embodying. Like watching my older my our oldest boy, Quill, who's seven, watching him train jiu-jitsu. And I'm like um like, looking at him train, and I'm like, you're if he just kept going, he would be like he he would be at the top you know like you just like he's just so it's unbelievable and it's really cool to see like his his awareness when he's in the dojo and he's learning jiu-jitsu from his teacher and with all the other kids and bless their health hearts all the other kids most of them are like
00:26:53
Tim
lack of a better word, like a city kid, you know, where they're they're like there they're exposed to technology all the time. You can just see that their their ability to pay attention is a lot different than his. He has an incredible self-awareness and a really incredible ability to pay attention and to avoid the noise and to like execute on what he's learning and I think that that all is because in large part at least because he's he's grows up in the wilderness and Yeah, I mean it's like I can watch quill climb a 75-foot tree and I'm not worried about him
00:27:33
Tim
He's seven years old. you know There doesn't even need to be branches on the tree. He'll get up the tree to the branches on like a fatty, fatty tree, just like a bear. like He'll cling to it and then scuffle up it. It's like, what the heck? like When we can just give our kids the the right inputs, and I'm not perfect, and I wasn't raised that way. I grew up in suburbia.
00:27:56
Tim
um i had a really bad alcohol and violence problem as a teenager and was a very disenchanted youth. You know, it wasn't until I was like 23 years old and I'm 39 now, you know, that I started really, you know, I did a 180 as and I'm a pretty extreme guy, as you probably picked up on. But I did a 180 because I was like, my friends were dying, committing suicide, ending up in jail. And i A lot of grace there's a lot of grace in my life And I met so i met some some good people and especially one person who I still credit was saving my life Wow I'll actually see today, which is really really cool um ah Prema I'll say his name and Yeah, I did a 180 and started moving towards nature. He taught me he introduced me to meditation practice ah fasting um sleeping outside
00:28:50
Tim
and cold, cold exposure, all these things, you know, how that's 16 years ago or something like that. hey Yeah, way before it was hip, you know, we were living, we were like just out in the wilderness, like just living in a little aesthetic life, like living like monks and um And yeah, and so just breaking, circling back, just bringing bringing that stuff to the kids. On one level, i feel really I feel really fortunate that I waited to have some kids, to have some years to to learn and to apply myself. And and so yeah, i just I feel really fortunate, honestly. I feel really, really lucky. And yeah.
00:29:36
Liev Dalton
I really appreciate you sharing in that. I mean, that's beautiful, man. Like i I think it just is a great example too of, you know, you can be in a really hard place and sometimes it does take a 180, right? Like sometimes it takes some, some drastic things, you know, um, but you're obviously an example of, of, you know, some, a beautiful transformation, right? And, and, uh, you know, humans are, it's, it's amazing how adaptable humans really are, right? Like it's, it's absolutely amazing. and That was, go it goes back to what you were, you were talking about there, you know,
00:30:05
Liev Dalton
with move integrating movement into your life and these, you know, integrating nature into your life, right? It's the, it's the environment that you're putting your kids in, right? It's the environment you're putting yourself in, you know, having it accessible, like you mentioned, having kettlebells around in every room or some equipment to do something or, you know, a lot of times it doesn't even take equipment, right?
00:30:26
Liev Dalton
Learning, you know, even just fundamental things like the crawl, you know, getting into these different positions that we we stop doing.
00:30:26
Tim
For sure.
00:30:33
Liev Dalton
Um, But yeah, you know, ah humans are, are so adaptable, right? We can adapt it.
00:30:36
Tim
So adaptable.
00:30:38
Liev Dalton
It's, it's absolutely necessary too. Right. And you, but again, it speaks to the environment. You know, if you want to align yourself with natural principles, you got to change your environment to allow your body to adapt to that because it will, it will, it just, it's, it's what happens.
00:30:53
Liev Dalton
You don't
Human Adaptability and Lifestyle
00:30:54
Liev Dalton
even have to really think about it. You just have to be in that environment. and ah It's ah so amazing. Right. Like, um, especially when you're so young, like your boys are so, so fortunate.
00:31:04
Liev Dalton
Obviously to have great parents and, um, you know, implementing these, these beautiful things into their lives. Like, I think it's a, we'll give them a, you know, hopefully great advantage and, um, lead to great things, you know, so that's amazing.
00:31:12
Tim
Yeah.
00:31:16
Tim
yeah
00:31:16
Liev Dalton
I commend you.
00:31:17
Liev Dalton
Very inspirational. And you can see what I love about, you know, your practices too, is that the boys are right there, you know, like you can incorporate them into your into your movement practice, you know, like let them swing something around.
00:31:30
Tim
Mm-hmm.
00:31:32
Liev Dalton
Like you're swinging the kettlebell. You let them swing, I don't know, a little kettlebell or even whatever, like ah so move a pillow around. Who cares? Just get that movement in and kind of integrate your kids into your practice.
00:31:42
Tim
Yeah.
00:31:43
Liev Dalton
Cause it's fun, man. Like I've changed up my practice completely.
00:31:45
Tim
Yes.
00:31:48
Liev Dalton
What like considering movement, you know, I went from trying to do bodybuilding in the gym to, you know, crawling around in the yard and swinging on branches, stuff like that. dude, you're like a big kid.
00:31:59
Liev Dalton
You know what I mean? Like I could go to the park and get a workout in and have a blast, like swinging on the monkey birds, climbing around like a fool.
00:31:59
Tim
Yeah.
00:32:05
Liev Dalton
Like, but man, that's the kind of stuff that you used to do as a kid. Like I remember trying the monkey bears for the first time. And I was like, dude, I'm like a, fit like, I felt like failure.
00:32:15
Liev Dalton
I was like, man, I can't even swing into monkey bears. Like little kids can do that. And I'm like struggling to hang on. I'm like, all right, that's a wake up call. You know, like you got to get back to these things, man. Like, I don't know.
00:32:25
Tim
Yeah.
00:32:26
Liev Dalton
It's, it's fun too.
00:32:26
Tim
Yeah, for sure.
00:32:28
Liev Dalton
It's fun, man.
00:32:28
Tim
It's really fun. And I think it's a, you know, one of the reasons why there's So many people that are, they don't have a discipline movement practice because it's, it's such a vapid and like meaningless approach to fitness that we see in the modern approach where it's just like it's hyper focused on aesthetics. um It's indoors, it's under fluorescent lights.
00:32:54
Tim
um you know people are spraying disinfectant everywhere there's TVs everywhere you know it's just like what in the fucking world like how do we get here um that being said i i'm also not anti-gym like i think a gym is a great place to put in incredible work i've had a gym membership as of the last two weeks now that i'm in i have an office here in town to coach people in the peace and quiet of where i can give my attention i'll have my boys yelling at me and stuff like this so I go to the YMCA a couple days a week and I work out really hard in there because it's kind of like an office and so I'm like, it's all good. Like I think that the important thing is that the body requires
00:33:34
Tim
movement like nutrition. It's not it's a non-negotiable. It's not a thing that we get to choose to do. We were shaped by the the environment shaped us and pushed us to become upright walking mammals that are strong, mobile, and can move long distances. And like all of these things shaped like our cardiovascular health and our metabolic health and our cellular health and all these things that we like we get all we get all ah reductionist about but it's like really it's just the relationship with nature that moved us to having all these systems that are optimized and supporting each other as a whole and so likes being strong and athletic is the human like birthright and so
00:34:18
Tim
to me, like being strong and mobile and having a natural movement practice that caters to like what you're saying, is these all these different elements that make up the unique generalist approach of human movement, because it's like we're we're all, humans are like not that great at anything in particular when it comes to movement. We're not that fast, we're not that strong, you know, we can't do that, but we can do so many things and we're incredibly smart. And so it's like, um I think having a well-balanced approach like that is what makes movement fun.
00:34:47
Tim
Like when you start, when you have a balanced approach, you're like, well, it's like you said, it's fun. It's like play the right inputs that correlate to how we're meant to move biologically makes sense to our tissues and it feels good. And you want to go towards it because if you're doing, if you're training, right, it's moving you out of pain. You're getting progressively stronger. Um, and so yeah, I think that.
Movement as Essential Nutrition
00:35:10
Tim
it's just it's It's just another essential thing. and Instead of it being like a hobby or a thing that's focused on aesthetics, I think if we looked at it more like an essential nutrient, then it would be like a non-negotiable like it is for me.
00:35:25
Liev Dalton
100% man. Like I think for the on the gym piece too, like I love going to the gym and then it's funny. Like you go to the gym, you're wearing your barefoot, five finger shoes.
00:35:40
Liev Dalton
There's a good community there. Like people will ask me, they'll be like, what's with the shoes, man? Like it's like a conversation started, but there's a great community too at gyms.
00:35:46
Tim
For sure.
00:35:48
Liev Dalton
Like people are all there to improve themselves, which is a ah healthy like mindset to be around. Like everybody's trying to improve themselves, which is a cool atmosphere.
00:35:55
Tim
who
00:35:57
Liev Dalton
Like that's why I think it's so cool. Um, but then to like go to the gym wearing barefoot shoes and like crawling around and like, you know, that takes like, you got to kind of build that up.
00:36:09
Liev Dalton
Like I remember I was like, man, I can't be crawling around in the gym. Like I'm not going to like crawl up and down the grass.
00:36:12
Tim
no
00:36:14
Liev Dalton
Like I'm going to look like a lunatic. You know what I mean? But then. Like it's kind of funny then you do it and someone's like, Oh, that's really cool, man. Like why are you doing that? And you could, you just talk to them and then, you know, a couple of weeks later they're crawling around in the gym too.
00:36:23
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
00:36:27
Liev Dalton
And it's kind of just this funny thing, right?
00:36:29
Tim
For sure, man.
00:36:30
Liev Dalton
Um,
00:36:30
Tim
I think like the gym has become this thing where a lot of people that follow me, you know, they're like, they're like, Oh my God, like how cool you're wearing normal clothes. You're not wearing plastic clothing.
00:36:42
Tim
You're not training at a gym. Like, and a lot of people, they don't like the gym culture because a lot of the, a lot of the gym culture, at least in America, you know, it's kind of like, for lack of a better term, like who's got the biggest dick culture, you know? And it's like, people are just like, you know, not super friendly, but like you're saying like, so you can go into the gym, and this is what I've been loving doing, because you you'd catch me in the gym, just like you see, I'm wearing suspenders, I'm wearing car hearts, I'm wearing my flat shoes, my wide toe box shoes, and I'm doing all sorts of shit in there, right? Like I've got like a, I'm doing neck training with a band in my mouth, talk about a conversation starter, you know? so like I've already had like all these young blokes coming up to me and being like, what are you doing? Because I go in there and I'm like, what's up, guy? You walk into the room and there's a weight room. It's like, hey, we're all here together right now to get stronger. like We're we're like really on a certain level together if we can just like recognize that. So I go in and I try to... like
00:37:40
Tim
I try to befriend like all the dudes in there, little dudes, old dudes, buff dudes, skinny dudes, you know, like, and just be like, this is a place where we can just like, let's just be family in here. And so I've actually really loved going you know I feel very confident in my myself at my age and with all my life experience. and I go into the gym and I just i feel at ease. and I feel like being that example of like stepping towards people in the gym and transforming gym culture into into the communal things. I'm like like, I'm in this room with this same guy like two days a week for like an hour, hour and a half like pushing ourselves.
00:38:21
Tim
We're friends. we don't even We're not talking, but we should, because we're we're friends. you know like We're sharing all the equipment, and we both we're both in here to become better on some level. We're trying to improve ourselves, even if it's for aesthetics. That's OK. That's OK. And and not ah you know not that I have anything against aesthetics. I think aesthetics come from quality training and eating and ah eating a biologically appropriate diet, obviously not eating too much food, and all this and that. so Yeah, gym culture is cool. I've actually liked being in there and just, ah yeah, I look forward to going in there and seeing some of the people that I always see. There's just a, there's a camaraderie in there that I think is really cool. It is a good place for people to find some community.
00:39:05
Liev Dalton
I'm curious about your thoughts on like integrating, uh, like training the subtleties of the body. Like you mentioned there training, like your jaw, your bite, you know, training your hands and your feet, you know, your neck, these things that you don't think about, you know, how did that kind of take your training to the next level?
Evolutionary Roots of Movement
00:39:24
Tim
Yeah, I mean, i my my love for movement and training came from when i lived on I lived on a meditation retreat for six years in Colorado. And my teacher, um he loved physical practice. And so physical practice was a means for creating clarity and like like purifying the dross and moving our energy so that we could be still of body and mind to do internal cultivation practice. So that's where it began.
00:39:53
Tim
But then as I got into movement and as I started to recognize the human animals' evolutionary roots in movement, that really interested me in like like how have we evolved to move? like what what What are the roots? What's the blueprint for human movement? Because each animal has unique qualities, right? like We see how a horse moves, we see how a chimp moves, you know, we see how an orangutan moves, like orangutan dips laterally, or maybe it's the chimp. We move contralaterally, like opposite parts of our body move in tandem to move us through space, and we're an upright walking mammal. Okay, and then we look at like indigenous cultures and traditional peoples, we look at their posture, we look at how they moved.
00:40:34
Tim
um All of these things have led to um the what I've synthesized for myself and the people I work with. like I think that there is a real there's real there is a real importance to prioritizing how we move through space. And if we're an upright walking mammal, then being balanced in gravity, you know like having equal tension from front to back side to side so that as gravity is coming down through us you know just let your head travel forward and you're gonna immediately feel your lower back tighten up to like try and stabilize you in gravity so being having a good neutral posture being
00:41:11
Tim
having good internal pressures of the torso so we're like buoyantly held up and spine is supported from the inside and that's effect on our airway and how that affects our nervous system it's all connected and so I think being balanced in gravity like when we go to take a step um you know that we can load our tissues evenly so that no part of our structure is working over time and causing any degradation or pain and Yeah, we got to have good mechanics. you know If you're going to pick something up, you got to know how to hinge well so you can load your whole posterior chain and not just you know not just tip over and load your lumbar or sacrum. And then I think just being being legitimately strong is is important because I think that we avoid our weaknesses. So if we have weak legs, for instance, we'll we'll avoid really loading into our legs and we'll make our upper body and arms and different things work over time when we could be having
00:42:05
Tim
way better leverage by moving properly. um And then I think that the the stuff like the bite training and all that stuff, the practices that I've learned for midline health, and I'll just shout out to my boys at Move Med, who coached me up on that. They were the guys that helped me get out of chronic pain in a time where I couldn't fix myself, which was really a really humbling moment in my life. This was two and a half years ago, I think now.
00:42:32
Tim
where I trim horses hooves as well and I got injured trimming horses hooves and I couldn't tie my shoes for like a year and a half. I was in so much pain like literally like it would take the air out of me just to to to hinge at the hip and bend over.
00:42:49
Tim
And, uh, dark times for me, ah especially cause I was a movement coach for like 10 years already too. And so I couldn't fix myself. Um, I was really low. I didn't feel like I had anything to offer the world anymore because I was like, I don't even, what do I, I have no wisdom anymore. Oh God. And, uh, lo and behold, it was that like, it led me into a path of understanding.
00:43:13
Tim
the nervous system and the airway and how these deepest aspects of our physiology affect how well we can auto-regulate tension so you know like for instance a gazelle that's chased by a lion in the outback like you know It goes into fight or flight and it's surviving and um it's on death's door, but within five to 10 minutes or so after it's survived, it's back to grazing and it's just down regulated and back to homeostasis.
00:43:44
Tim
But because modernity is so, we have so many anti-holistic forces, we're in so many, i like I'm indoors, like you know I keep my windows open even though it's cold so I can get light natural light on me. But like fluorescent lights, fluorescent lights, I'm disconnected from the ground. I'm sitting at a computer which is intrinsically strange and stressful and you know not what we've evolved to do. So it's like we and we have all these things that compound a shitty posture, you know shrunken rib cage, rounded shoulders,
00:44:14
Tim
And then all this affects the airway. Then we're breathing shitty and through the mouth and shallow that's affecting our nervous system and how well we can actually handle the inputs in our world. Do you think like from an evolutionary perspective like we spent so much time outside open our world was opened up peripherally.
00:44:33
Tim
you know we weren't always hyper focused on something like a phone or a computer which is look at my posture you know i'm stuck in flexion and now when things are coming at me whether it's news fear of my neighbor fear sure fear of this fear of that i'm it's registering is more and more stress and this is negative feedback that's happening and so.
00:44:54
Tim
Honestly, the nervous system training, the respiratory training has been the biggest game changer. And so that's why we do the mouth. That's why I do the bite training. That's strengthening ah jaw yeah it's it how the How the cervical spine connects to the mid-back, how the head connects into the neck, stacking our airway, finding a nice global breath while we bring coherence to our midline, which is everything from the palate to the pelvic floor.
00:45:21
Tim
And it has all these things that it affects, you know, like your organ placement and how well the pressure in your torso massages your organs and keeps optimal organ function and how well your pelvic floor works and how well you can get blood flow and nutrition down into your sex organs. And, you know, like how will you recover at night? Sleep is dependent on how well you breathe. And so it's like all of these things and that affects how you recover and how well you can adapt to stress ongoing.
00:45:51
Tim
And in a world like today, we need all the practices we can to maintain the ability to handle stress. And so so I'm trying to teach everybody bike training.
00:46:02
Tim
I'm at the gym teaching all the kids bike training.
00:46:03
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:46:06
Tim
And so yeah.
00:46:09
Liev Dalton
Well, it's obviously something that's like, again, we can look at natural principles, right? Like we're used to chewing on some pretty tough meats that we just, you know, feed to the dogs now.
00:46:16
Tim
Yeah.
00:46:18
Liev Dalton
Like we don't eat tough cuts. If it's not a tenderloin, we don't want it. If it's too close to the bone, we don't want to eat it.
00:46:23
Tim
For sure.
00:46:25
Liev Dalton
We don't want to rip the tendons and the ligaments off the the bones, right?
00:46:28
Tim
Yep.
00:46:29
Liev Dalton
Like we don't want to chew on a piece of cartilage and Like all these things, like we lost them, right? Like, you know, and, you know, I, love ah I learned a lot from my dog, right?
00:46:34
Tim
yeah Yep.
00:46:37
Liev Dalton
Like, honestly, like I watch him, he loves chewing. Like you give him that guy, like something to chew on, like he the chewier, the better. And he's got like the most detailed like jaw, like he's like the strongest bite ever, right?
00:46:51
Liev Dalton
He's dog, obviously. But like the guy's like, you know, it's like, so you can feel the muscles moving in his entire head when he chews. You put your hand on his head and you can feel the muscles move.
00:47:05
Liev Dalton
Now we have like a different like structure.
00:47:05
Tim
Mm hmm.
00:47:07
Liev Dalton
You can't feel it as much, but like you can feel it subtly when you're chewing.
00:47:08
Tim
Sure.
00:47:12
Liev Dalton
Like there are parts of your head that move and you're like, are you even activating your whole, like, are you activating as much as you can?
00:47:15
Tim
Mm hmm.
00:47:19
Liev Dalton
Like even learning just to activate these subtle muscles and focusing on them.
00:47:22
Tim
Mm hmm.
00:47:23
Liev Dalton
Um, and that's really why I love like osteopathy, right? The study, like, or the, you know, looking at the, the fine structures and movement of the body. Like even how your cranium is supposed to move, you know, like we're supposed to be a little bit malleable in every part of our body.
00:47:39
Liev Dalton
And so I love the osteopathy tradition and the approach there. Um, but yeah, it's kind of tying into this, right? Like the subtleties of the body, like the midline, something that you don't really hear of.
00:47:52
Liev Dalton
Like you don't, you don't hear of that.
00:47:52
Tim
Yeah.
00:47:53
Liev Dalton
What is um um the midline anyways? And it's such a,
00:47:57
Tim
Yeah.
00:47:58
Liev Dalton
beautifully simple, but obviously central, quite literally and figuratively part of movement and the body and our existence.
00:48:03
Tim
yeah
00:48:07
Liev Dalton
Right.
00:48:07
Tim
Exactly.
00:48:08
Liev Dalton
Um, so cool, man. So what does like a session with you look like? You do one-on-ones and and stuff like that or.
00:48:15
Tim
Yeah, I mean, right now I coach exclusively online and I i meet people where they're at and I create a a custom program that's based on their unique injury history, their needs, their goals, um all of it with the foundational principles of principles of including of improving midline coherence, um moving well through the landscape, having good posture,
00:48:23
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:48:45
Tim
um I work with a lot of people in chronic pain you know because I have my story of getting out of chronic pain and I've been pretty successful at helping people get out of pain.
00:48:50
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:48:52
Tim
and It's just when you give the right inputs, the body can heal as you know, you know, you you give, you give, you give, you give the body what nature shaped it with and it starts to come to coherence. And so yeah, I mean, it's, it's, I, I program a holistic approach to training that has people doing something every day. You know, I give people a morning routine, which gets them out into the first light of the day, ideally barefoot on the ground.
00:49:18
Tim
Set their circadian clock get their lymph moving get their joints mobilized in ah in a mellow way kind of a soft style practice And then I give them a strength program that works on real foundational stuff to start and you know over 90 days Which is my usual coaching arrangement for one one one deal won't go around We progress through some different phases based on wherever they're at get their feet working Well get rotational qualities of the mid back back and back in action um Get them moving well like good movement mechanics that actually know how to hinge at the hip and pick something up and And then just get them progressively stronger in a balanced way that includes all these things that are to me really really fun I'm bringing in elements of gymnastics strength training kettlebell training um Biomechanics ground movement ground strength and mobility
00:50:09
Tim
so but So many fun things. There's so much fun to be had and in training and especially when the body comes into coherence and you start getting strong. And when you have the midline coherence, like when you when you have ah when you when you grow your rib cage back towards it's how big it's supposed to be and you you know how to distribute pressure, take a proper breath and the spine is supported from the inside and everything's in place and you have this robust torso.
00:50:37
Tim
Then, in my experience, the the door starts opening to more options. More options, like like lifting heavy, like before I put heavy, before I have someone lifting a sandbag, I want them underneath the sandbag breathing.
00:50:52
Tim
so that they learn how to brace and distribute pressure And when that happens, a lot of things change. They can get better digestion, you know, because the pressure helps with just, you know, the motility of just like distributing our food through our digestive tract, lymph flow. The biggest lymph node in the freaking torso is right there at the sternum. So circulation, like sex improves, you know, better hard-ons, better blood flow.
00:51:16
Tim
um better breathing, more ah able to handle your inputs, able to respond reflexively to your environment, like all other animals. You know, you think of like a cat, even a house cat jumping from a table to a couch or something. It's not thinking about what degree tilt its pelvis is at, how much rotation it has before it jumps. It just responds to the environment. And we have that capacity. We have the ability to do that.
00:51:42
Tim
And when you have a regulate a well-regulated nervous system, you have good midline coherence, you're strong, you can just go, you don't have to be stretching, you don't have to warm up, you can just go and pick something up. Because you know how to, your nervous system knows how to engage and knows how to let go. And your tissue is well-tensioned and you know how to move. So you can just frickin' act, you know? that's That's my main goal is to get people Confident and able to just respond to their environment and be at ease. I think there's so much to just being at ease. Like there's a time for us to kind of like a lion. You know, there's a time to like step on the gas and like apply yourself, you know, in a quick way and. and
00:52:23
Tim
um And with power, and then there's a time for like deep relaxation, deep recovery. And there's so many elements to our modern world that keep that recovery side not like it's not sexy to like recover. It's like only sexy to grind and produce and like grow. You know, but like, you know, there's cycles and the cycle of entropy and growth, like it's all we were like cannibalism, catabolism, like, not cannibalism, catabolism.
00:52:52
Tim
And so it's like we have to respect the flow and that's nature. And so it's just bring, it's just bring again, it's just like, it's just moving towards nature. Um, and luckily there's, there's tools. Um, there's tools and practices that we, that we have available to us now to where even though we're removed from our habitat, we can support our nervous system to, to, to, to start to have that same capacity.
00:53:17
Tim
um of adaptability and we can still train our tissues and get strong in a way like you said like the human body is so resilient so adaptable you give it the right inputs it wants to heal it wants to come to coherence we just get in our own way with the wrong inputs.
Achieving Health through Nature
00:53:38
Tim
We put the wrong things in. And then the body's like, it's it's it's just disorganized and confused. Remove all of that, simplify, move towards nature. And you know you if you just enter into a relationship with nature. If you were like, I'm going to start pursuing animals, I'm going to harvest my own wood, I'm going to harvest my own water.
00:53:57
Tim
All those things will basically account for almost everything. you know You'll be outside, you'll be in full spectrum light, you'll have relationship with the plants and animals, you'll have deep respect and reverence for your food and your water because you see that it actually is about relationship and that you are sustained by it. It doesn't come in a package. um trash Your trash just goes disappears, your poop just disappears, you don't know where it goes. It's like we're so disconnected from the fucking flow of life.
00:54:26
Tim
in and out of us and so you know learn some plants go pursue deer even if you're not ready to shoot one it's like you that'll account for your crawling your walking your your peripheral view your nervous system regulation your light your light you know so it's like we're all trying to biohack our way back to the mother and it's all just right there and so yeah
00:54:52
Liev Dalton
Awesome, brother. Awesome. Probably a great way to wrap things up here. Fantastic way to do it.
00:54:57
Tim
Yeah, it was good.
00:54:59
Liev Dalton
Um, any final thoughts on, on the episode, anything that you want to add or anything that we might've missed?
00:55:04
Tim
No, i'd again, wanted I wanted to say that ive I've appreciated everything that you've put out since I came in contact with you a while ago. and I just love the courage that you have and just, ah you're just speaking true and honest and you're not afraid to go into any controversial thing. And I think that we need that openness, that curiosity, um the willingness to talk about anything for us to be able to come to a greater understanding of what we need as an organism. And yeah, I just appreciate you giving me the space to talk here. So thank you.
00:55:39
Liev Dalton
Thank you, man. I appreciate that. It means a lot. How can the listener learn more from you? Where can they find you any websites, social media, stuff like that?
00:55:47
Tim
Sure, yeah, you can find me at movelikehuman on Instagram. That's my only social thing for now. um And you can go to timmats.com and you can see i have and I have my own app now, which is um it's only 10 bucks a month. It's got my entire training framework.
00:56:07
Tim
Um, if you're self-motivated, you can follow along and people have been getting amazing results just going through that. Um, there's a really cool little community taking place in there. If people share in their wins and food recipes and just, um, birth stories and moving towards wholeness together. And so that's been really, really cool to see. Um, and yeah, there's education in there on animal-based eating, and regenerative agriculture and circadian biology. and Traditional archery if you want to learn to shoot a bow.
00:56:39
Tim
So there's different I'm going to be continuing to round it out and build it out and
00:56:40
Liev Dalton
Wow.
00:56:45
Tim
Yeah, I got a private podcast feed in there. It's short form podcast. It drops every single day. Um, and a long form podcast. I do a couple of days a week talking about stuff like this. And, and then if you want to work with me one-on-one, there's an application on there, um, for people who need that level of, uh, support and accountability.
00:57:04
Tim
And that's a 90 day thing I do with people. And that's been really, really fun. We have, we have, the we have long coaching calls every week and, uh, it's been really, really cool.
00:57:11
Liev Dalton
Oh brother.
00:57:12
Tim
So yeah.
00:57:12
Liev Dalton
That's awesome, man. Right on. Yeah. We'll put a bunch of that down below. So it's easy access for a listener too. Nice and convenient. yes Right on brother.
00:57:20
Tim
ha
00:57:21
Liev Dalton
I i appreciate, uh, I appreciate your time.
00:57:22
Tim
I'll take it.
00:57:24
Liev Dalton
All the wisdom that you've shared, man. It's, it's been a great chat. Look forward to the next one, man. You're, you are a great mind.
00:57:29
Tim
Love it.
00:57:29
Liev Dalton
So, so thank you.
00:57:31
Tim
Thank you, brother.
00:57:33
Liev Dalton
I want to thank you all for listening. You should all know that this is not medical advice or advice of any kind is for your informational purposes only, of course. But also remember, we're all responsible, sovereign beings, capable of thinking, criticizing, understanding, absolutely anything.
00:57:46
Liev Dalton
We, the people in the greater forces are together, self-healer, self-governable self-governable, self-teachers, so much more.
00:57:51
Tim
Hmm.
00:57:51
Liev Dalton
Make sure to reach out if you have any questions, criticisms, comments, concerns. You know where to find me on Instagram there. Good place to message me. ah Love to hear your thoughts on the episode. Love to chat with you guys. You guys make this all worth it.
00:58:01
Liev Dalton
You guys are the best in the world. No doubt about it. If you found this informative in any way, you liked it, give us a like, comment, share, Subscribe, follow, review, rating, you know what to do on the platform, you're on.
00:58:14
Liev Dalton
It's much appreciated, guys. And just remember, there are two types of people in the world. Those believe they can, those believe they can't, and they're both correct. Thanks for listening, guys. Take care.
00:58:21
Tim
Nah.