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Dr. Mike Mew - The Cause of Improper Facial Development
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In this profound episode, Dr. Mike Mew joins us for a powerful conversation on the true causes behind modern facial collapse, crooked teeth, mouth breathing, and the epidemic of sleep apnea.
We explore:
– The *real* reasons why faces are lengthening and jaws are shrinking
– Why early childhood habits like pacifiers, soft diets, and bottle feeding are silently reshaping humanity
– How posture, tongue position, and chewing impact your facial growth and airway
– The truth behind Weston A. Price’s work — and what he might have missed
– Why modern medicine is ignoring the cause and chasing symptoms
– Dr. Mew’s vision for the future of craniofacial health
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Dr. Mike Mew's Family Legacy in Natural Health
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Welcome Dr. Mike Mew to the podcast. Thank you so much for your time, everything that you've done, your energy here today, and of course, happy birthday.
00:01:33
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it tough Thank you very much. Here I am on my birthday during the podcast. I must i must really want this message to get out there. was just going to say, it's a ah beautiful depiction of the amount of effort and energy that you do put into to your craft, and um I think that speaks volumes.
00:01:52
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Yeah, well, you know... i'm I'm the third generation on this mission. hey And it's we're we're we're making headway. We're making more headway now than we had in the past. And I think that the message I'm saying is there's the flows going my way. So many people, more more people are into the the natural world.
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um and ah natural health
Trends in Natural Health and Cultural Differences
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objectives. your Understanding that it's much more, it's not about getting artificial of intervention, it's what you do for yourself and how you live your life that makes a big difference.
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And this is really nice to see this this trend. And you know this trend is, you know we're all riding this wave together now, which is just, you know it's nice to see. Yeah, yeah.
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It's interesting, you know, when I think about it and I look at the trends that kind of come and go, um ah the coming back to nature and coming back to longevity and health and kind of becoming the best version of yourself and self-improvement, all these things to me feel like they stick.
00:02:57
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You know, they don't just come and go like most trends do. You know, this one doesn't. people are going deeper and deeper and deeper. They're not really coming out from this mindset of getting back to nature and and caring about their health, right? Like we've been kind of removed from this. so I think that's a really interesting thing about this kind of trend quote unquote here as well. So yeah.
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Yeah. I have an idea about this actually. A friend of mine came back from traveling in India and he was traveling in India and in 89, about, so yeah a long way. I went traveling in 93 and everyone was telling me it had been ruined. I was in Southeast Asia and they were ruined everyone's, you know, all tourist crumbs. If you compare it then to where it is now, it's just like, you know, a different planet almost.
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But he came back and he said that there was this drink they were advertising in India And underneath was written, totally artificial.
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And what it made, ah you know, we we laughed about it. But what was clear, the clear inference was that in India, everything artificial was good and everything natural was bad.
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And when you stop to think about it and you go back, you reflect back on the Victorians, the Victorians thought they knew it all. And everything, you know, they' they, in a way they tamed nature. That was a whole point of what they were doing was to tame nature.
Progress of Ideas and the Search for Truth
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And we now look back and realize actually our effort to tame nature probably damaged nature. You know, there was one point in the Victorian era where they wanted to close down the patent office because they thought they'd invented everything they could invent.
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And you think about it logically, they'd made bits of metal into any shape they wanted. What would you want? You can make anything now. And so i think we but life goes in waves and...
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When all of this new stuff came out, well, this was the brave new world and we believed it was going to get us all our answers. And we went on this direction to everything was going to be totally artificial.
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And we found that a false prophecy. And then we've come back. i Everything does go in waves, but I don't know if we're going to go down that avenue again.
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I hope we don't go down that avenue again. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, the wave-like circular nature of of time, right, as it progresses. and Yeah, so everything's a sinusoidal wave in my book.
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Everything. And, you know, you go down to quantum mechanics and really everything is a sinusoidal wave. So that there's no more than that. But all theories, all ideas, everything tend to go on a type of sinusoidal wave.
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I hope a sinusoidal wave that gets... smaller and smaller to a point where we get answers we get the truth we're not always going too far one side and then the other side i do hope we're progressing on that front yeah absolutely yeah yeah yeah and this point that we're at is kind of a culmination of our
Dr. Mew's Health Journey and Indigenous Learning
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our history right in the age of information although we seem to be more um ignorant than ever but uh there is ah an amazing return to kind of Getting to that objective truth, right? And and trying to to distill down into some sort of some sort of truth, right? And that comes yeah back to nature and that comes back to um health and longevity and and what really matters.
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You know, i'm I'm on a mission for the truth. Yeah. And, you know, my mission started with a simple question of, well, I wouldn't say it started. I formulated my ideas around the simple question of why.
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and my area, why are teeth crooked?
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And sometimes when you start asking a simple question, can open a paradigm, it opens a door. And it's amazing how far, I mean, in in a way I've opened Pandora's box.
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Sure. Yeah. You know, it's so interesting. and In my kind of journey into health, I kind of stumbled upon that um inadvertently. in looking at health, you know, I learned a lot from the indigenous populations around me, studying primitive people. And then I encountered Weston A. Price's work.
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um And I encountered his question of why why teeth are crooked, you know, and I thought that was so interesting. So i kind of, and really that that shaped the whole philosophy what we do here be Beyond Terrain as well, you know, um looking at that kind of gold standard and and looking at that controlled experiment that he did in his observations. It was so Interesting. and he but he wasn't doing a control experiment. He was doing observational science.
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He was just observing what he saw in these various different patterns. And of course, he was heavily influenced by Melon B because of course, Melon B had discovered vitamin, what was it? Vitamin D, wasn't it? Melon B? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
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And we already kind of, we'd worked out that something was missing from the diet ah in scurvy. And so if you've got lemons and limes, and of course, because the British choose limes because they they kept a little better and I think they're but more accessible, the Americans used to call us limeys because of it.
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But hey, it worked, yeah don't knock it. But there was a huge um focus on vitamins during Weston A Price's era.
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And I think this had a big impact on him. And, um yeah, I think it's interesting. I mean, i've i've looked at his work a great deal. ah My father can remember where he was in the car when my grandfather started to talk to him about Weston A. Price.
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And he was a boy of seven or eight years old, I think. And I presume my grandfather had a first edition copy of Weston A. Price. God knows where that went in all these years. But yeah.
Factors Affecting Facial Development
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You know, this is something I did want to to bring up, you know, the idea of it's been a little bit of a debate whether facial development is is problematic now because of the lack of nutrition or is it due to mouth breathing? Is it due to improper swallowing patterns or improper tongue posture?
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You know, i' kind of curious about your thoughts because some people, yeah especially the Westin Aprex purists, they think, well, it all has to do with nutrition. And, you know, in his experiments, when he compared the indigenous populations consuming the indigenous diet and lifestyle compared to the modern ones who obviously lacked all these nutrients, that was one of his observations. But it seems as though there was other things at play, right? The lifestyle factors, you know, and and maybe some downstream effects were the mouth breathing and were the these other ideas, improper structure from maybe sitting in chairs too much or whatever it may be, right? So kind of curious about your thoughts on that.
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Yeah, well, clearly, um you know, i'm I want the truth. I want the answers. So I think that, as I said, Weston A. Price was heavily influenced his time.
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ah his time The environment he was living in, you know, the fact that all of these um vitamins were being found. And so he made the natural assumption it would be a vitamin. It would be a substance, a missing X factor within the diet. In fact, he didn't narrow it down. I mean, it's been considered to be factor.
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um What is it? o Let me get around. a
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D and K, I believe, think if I'm right. Yep. They're the factors that, because he left it open. He didn't say it is this or it is that, which is really a good, a good hallmark of a scientist.
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And those spaces have been filled in since. um I've been on a hunt for, for good evidence to support that and I'd like to find some and I don't want to upset anyone to say I haven't found good evidence of that but I haven't yet and I've been onto forums where I've been shouted down for saying i haven't got the evidence without people producing me with evidence you know I had a long chat with Sally Fallon many years ago and the evidence she produced was this
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um ah You know, i but sort I'm very familiar with it already, this research where they starved rabbits of vitamin K and they got stunted growth.
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But remember, this was a balanced stunted growth. So, you know, the problem we've got with we've got a whole host of problems with heads. you know We've got jaw joint problems, we've got c sinusitis, glue ear, um sleep apnea, malocclusion, both just dental dentition, but also the bones.
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i I think it's a relatively arbitrary separation, but it's interesting philosophically to separate that. um What have we got? We've got forward head posture. We've got um asymmetries.
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We've got um ah deviated nasal septums, sinusitis. I mean, there's a whole host of people always go on to talk about ADHD and some of these spectral issues within this matrix, within this spectrum, to so to speak.
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So there's lots of problems with the human head. Okay. Now,
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I would because it'd be really quite simple to find factors that I could give people. And I'd love to jump aboard on that. Now, there's.
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I haven't seen i you know I'd love to see some more science of people rather than shouting at me, getting upset with me that I'm. causing issues or yeah I'd like to just see see some good research. Now I did meet, I did did talk to the Potenture's cats.
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So I met Potenture's grandson, really nice guy. I've got on with, you know, some guys you just naturally get on with. We got on well. And he's, i think he was studying medicine at the time and I met him about a decade ago. So i should try and revisit him and chat with him because i think there was something in that study But again, i don't see, i you know, I've not seen people properly fleshing this out in a proper scientific manner.
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And that's what I would really encourage. And I'm i'm not saying there's nothing, but I just would like to see that really investigated. The things that I have found, and these are very, very well supported, are three main factors.
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Something to do with development. And that's probably something to do with a early transition away from breastfeeding onto non-nutritional suckling. So ah dummies or pacifiers, depending where you live in the world.
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You know, in Europe, we're calling them dummies. In the States, you call them pacifiers. This is something, it is non-nutritional. These are just ah habit things that you can put in a baby's mouth. or um bottle feeding. And it seems from my gathering of the research, it's you're either pure breast only or you introduce problems. It doesn't matter which one of those you introduce, but whether it be digit sucking, thumb sucking, pacifier dummy or...
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um ah but but but but bottles that anything can disrupt the matrix. All right. So you can either be really pure breastfeeding only, um whether that's on demand or whether that's not on demand.
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I don't think that's important. um So the breakup of that. and also yeah we think that it would have been a good 18 to 24, even some people think 36 months that you would have carried on breastfeeding to some degree.
00:15:32
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So that clearly isn't happening anymore. We're getting disrupted by these other things that not pure breastfeeding. The other thing that seems to be happening is we're moving from we're We're weaning. So there is like weve we've got slightly different definitions of weaning between Europe and America. But basically, as you move from ah liquid diet to a solid diet in the past, well, you would have been a generally a tough diet.
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You you might, you know, people tell me, oh, but the mother would have chewed the food and before giving it to the baby. And I'm sure that happened for a couple of meals. Maybe it happened for a month.
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But I don't think it happened for much longer than that. yeah Mother's got other things to do. So I think you would have gone on to a pretty tough diet pretty quickly. And it's, you know, you that that's just not happening. I mean, you know, but it almost seems natural. People are going, oh, you need to have um blended food. Oh, the all the baby is going to choke.
00:16:41
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Well, it's interesting. There's a really interesting movement led by a friend of mine. called the baby led weaning. And this is where you go straight from breastfeeding to, well, you have a mixed phase. You start obligatory breastfeeding, then you go on to a mixed phase where you have a mixture of breastfeeding and normal foods. and I mean, what I mean, normal is literally you provide the baby with a little bit of leftovers or whatever you've got.
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i Usually part cooked. So you want to keep it a bit rower and a bit tougher. And you cut all your, you cut your finger foods up, but but you make the finger foods one and a half times the fist length of the individual. So something's going to be sticking out one end.
00:17:28
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And the idea is that they have the same food as you because they're absurd they're not, they're not stupid. These, babies and they will observe that's what you're eating and they want to eat what you're eating because they want to copy you. It's a really powerful um and important part of being human at that age.
00:17:48
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And they then start just eating normal everyday foods. And then what you progressively do is you progressively increase the amount of Non breastfeeding normal foods and reduce the amount of breastfeeding and that would happen well We think that would have gone on for this, you know anywhere 18 24 36 months and Progressively the amount of nutrition would have gone from obligatory ah totally from the mother and it would have moved across progressively over this period of time and
00:18:21
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Now what seems to be happening is that not only are we messing up breastfeeding and the suckling, the normal infantile suckling.
Impact of Diet on Facial Structure
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So my father has this developed this this concept of've called the mass-stant loss philosophy.
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And in the mass-stant loss philosophy, the the tongue is pushing up. So this area here of the face is being hot constantly pushed on by the tongue.
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It pushes as much as it suckles back. There's a swallowing action. There's a lot of pushing. And the researchers demonstrated this. and In really naturally developed babies, there's quite a lot of pushing going on.
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And this pushing isn't going to happen when you mess things up with bottles and dummies or pacifiers and things like that. But also, we seem to be introducing...
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solid foods far too early they're far too unsolid. So so i think that when I observe babies, they seem to pick things up and put them in their mouth at about six months old.
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and I don't think you can stop. you You're going to get this. And I think that's going to be normal. And every, you know, just because our ancestors didn't have the background knowledge that we have doesn't mean their ability was any less.
00:19:47
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Yes, if you don't get fed a good brain diet, you know, you don't get good education when you're young, that will limit you. But people, they're similar. We're very similar. And I would have imagined that most we mothers, as soon as a child starts reaching out at about six months, will build a way, oh, let's give them some food.
00:20:08
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I can't imagine they wouldn't, you know, having me a parent twice myself. And, you know, I'm a big family. Lots of all my my brother and sister both have children and lots of kids around us. and And there's that moment when your child first eats something. It's kind of exciting.
00:20:23
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You know, it is for all of us. And so as soon as they're reaching out and putting stones or sticks or whatever bits of grass, whatever they have in their mouth, well, you're probably going to give them bit of food.
00:20:36
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And so probably from six months, most babies would start some ah type of weaning process. Now, I think what's happening now is we're rushing this. So we're going almost earlier.
00:20:53
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We're pushing this to a much more exclusive amount. So we're we're pushing away breastfeeding much faster. And we're encouraging, well, we're using, sorry, much softer foods.
00:21:06
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So whereas ah ah we have an infantile suckle and we have an adult swallow, and you've got to make that transition. The modern infants aren't making that transition.
00:21:20
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First of all, they're too young. Second of all, they've been given food that's completely wrong. okay You can suckle this food. I once suckled a Big Mac.
00:21:31
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I used a lot of fluid and it wasn't a pretty sight, but I suckled it. And you could suckle the whole thing. I mean, I chose that because it was a very soft type of food that everyone would be aware of.
00:21:44
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Now, it... I suspect, and it's my hunch, that about 85% of the population never fully makes that transition from an infantile cycle to an adult swallow.
00:21:59
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And so when a lot of people, just watch people, you know, in in the textbook swallow, there's no facial movement. So when a textbook swallow, I got some water here for the purpose,
00:22:13
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You can see my throat going up down, but nothing on my face. Absolutely nothing. Now, most people would swallow like this. You shouldn't be doing it that that. Then then when we look at all the different types of malocclusion or the specific types of problem, not that there is a problem, they can be patterned out in relation to the types of swallowing pattern, the aberrant swallowing patterns people are making.
00:22:39
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So it, it, it, because you never, so infants use their cheeks. Adults should not use their cheeks. So we talk about this as the perioral musculature.
00:22:53
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Okay. And that comes from the facial nerve and the facial nerve shouldn't be involved in a swallow at all. Not an adult swallow. so So there's a problem. We're not moving across and too many people if you're sucking you're just pulling inwards and we know that mouths are too small We've got not enough teeth space for the teeth.
00:23:12
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We're getting impacted wisdom teeth. We're having wisdom teeth taken out Where's that coming from? You know all my fingers fit my hands something's clearly gone wrong. So that's the first thing.
00:23:23
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Okay Now the next thing, the next two things, and these are much broader, more generalized things. One thing is we've gone from an incredibly rough, tough, hard diet across to this incredibly soft, um you know but you know, you could go. So what did I do? I looked up a cafe mocha from Starbucks, and I think it's something like 320, 340 calories.
00:23:55
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Now, you can get those calories on board for that much muscular effort. Nothing. Nothing, yeah. Now, 10,000 years ago, to get that many calories on board, you probably had to do some tough chewing.
00:24:09
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And people have said, you know, i so I was being talking to someone recently and they go, oh, well, our ancestors were eating, um you know, meat. we know We had a very heavy meat diet. And that's probably true.
00:24:21
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And he was going, well, meat's quite soft. That suggests it's very hard. And I go, well, yeah, when you kill an animal and you've had a fresh kill, it's great. Yeah, meat's very soft. What happens when you haven't had the next kill for a month?
00:24:34
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How tough's that meat?
00:24:37
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It's leather. lot tougher. A lot tougher. Now, let's say you go three months but without another kill. And that's not not, you know, wouldn't crazy. I mean, particularly if you, are you know, lots of um traditional um humans would have ah would live on a migratory route.
00:24:56
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So you would have one, maybe two migrations a year. Now, if that was you, well, you've got to go six to nine months on stored meat. Now.
00:25:07
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That meat is tough as old boots by the time you you eat it. I remember i remember two separate incidents where I was talking to anthropologists. One said that he was invited to be eat with the chief of the tribe.
00:25:23
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And the chief of the tribe told him explicitly that this was a fantastic piece of meat that they had specially arranged for this dinner. And he said his jaw was going into trismus because he couldn't eat hardly any of it.
00:25:37
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And the chief's just this old man, just going, hum, hum, hum. Then another anthropologist said that they were out in the field and um a guy offered him a bit of meat.
00:25:48
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And he goes, yeah, I'll try some. And he he literally couldn't bite it. He just couldn't dent this thing. It was just like he might as well have been given the guy a brick because you couldn't get clear. And the guy was just literally puts it in his mouth. Chum, chum, chum, chum, eats it all up.
00:26:02
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We're talking a sea change in difference. I doubt modern humans are using this mass circulatory structure more than about 5%.
00:26:13
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And, you know, I've got big muscles and I've got a big jaw. Well, big muscles because I chew. Okay. Big muscles, big jaw. Well, talk to any bodybuilder.
00:26:24
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It's not rocket science. You know, it's back down to Wolf's law. You know, use it or lose it. This is not complex. If you're not going to use this system, you're not going to develop a big masticatory system.
00:26:37
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and It's not really a complex argument. and Now, the other thing we're doing is we're getting nasal obstruction. Now, I think there's a little bit, you you we did ask about, um you know, we were talking about diets and I definitely think that there is relationship between your diet and your um allergic potential.
00:26:59
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Okay. I think there's also a read, but the more you know, mouth breathe, the more likely you to become allergic, which is a self-reinforcing process as I'll discuss. But as a general rule, we're supposed to breathe out our noses.
00:27:16
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And we're supposed to have our mouth closed as a normal position. That's how modern humans are. And we are a little different, I believe, from quadrupedal animals. Lots of dogs actually sweat by breathing out their mouths. And I remember talking to Professor Brian Preston, the late Brian Preston from Buffalo University.
00:27:37
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And he had some interesting opinions on this. But again, these need fleshing out. Well, we don't know all of that. But... Humans should have their mouths closed. Just look at traditional people. They've all got, they they rest with their mouth closed, their lips sealed, standing on the tongueng on the roof of the mouth. Okay? yeah So the, and we're getting the ace obstructions, not really my area, but if you get a blocked nose, you've got two options.
00:28:05
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You either breathe out your nose, sorry. You either lower the tongue off the roof of your mouth, you separate your teeth, separate your lips and become a mouth breather, or you die. There's no way around.
00:28:21
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And it's fascinating when... um Oh, all the father of sleep apnea did, a Christian Guimane. When he did research on um SIDS, sudden infant death syndrome, cop deaths, he found in the sample he looked at, they all had high arched palates.
00:28:46
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They all had the classic mouth breather, all of them. came across a classic mouth. That's interesting. You know, that was one research. I don't know. It's indicative of every SID. But
00:28:59
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you if you can't breathe out your nose, you're going to have to become a mouth breather. Now, when your nose clears, you may or may not return to nose breathing.
00:29:13
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you may or may not put your tongue back on the roof of the mouth, teeth together ah in contact, or in lips together. You might or might not do these things. But there's a good chance it's going to have a permanent effect on you, particularly if you have multiple episodes of mouth breathing in the first year of your life, and each of those episodes lasts for multiple days.
00:29:37
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Remember, but breathing, that's tops. That is the most important thing in your life. You know, you're going to, you're driven by it. So in order to breathe, you are going to modify anything.
00:29:50
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It's life or death. There's no, there's no questions here. So what happens is you become a, um, well, i think, i think there's a there's an issue here that with, um blame too much on mouth breathers.
00:30:09
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There's a lot of people who hang their mouths open, who breathe through their noses. And I don't think it's so much, the passage of air does count, but I don't think that's as important.
00:30:20
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I think it's the tongue hanging down, the teeth apart, the lips hanging open. And I think that does a huge amount of damage. Now, when we combine these, the two big major factors.
00:30:34
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So if you have weak musculature and then you hang your mouth open because you had a habit, it's become a habit. It's not that you now you're breathing out your nose, but it's now become a habit. Or you could be mouth breathing either way.
00:30:47
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okay But you're hanging your mouth open and you've got weak muscles. What's going to happen to your face? Well, you know, you've seen someone who's had a stroke.
00:30:59
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Remember, strokes only the surface muscles. I've seen people who have had road traffic accidents have damaged the deep power muscles, and it's even more profound. But either way, just reflect on people having strokes.
00:31:11
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Even at 80 years old, one side of your face will drop down. It'll change. And you know it changes because one side doesn't, which acts as a control, a reference point. So and what I'm suggesting, what the science seems to suggest is that the entire facial complex of modern humans is...
00:31:33
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Lengthening down, you know, it's a little bit like if you've got a child's toy I've got anger i've got a little bit of a toy child's toy here. if I don't upset my system No, I won't I've got a little child's toy here and of course if you stretch it like that it becomes longer but it becomes narrower and it becomes shallower The cross-sectional area reduces well if the cross-sectional area reduces you've got no space for the teeth And what do we see?
00:32:02
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Modern humans have got no space for the teeth. And also, actually, you know, what do teeth matter? The main thing is they've got no space for their airways.
00:32:14
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You know, sleep apnea wasn't in my syllabus when I was a kid. was a kid. When I feel like I was a kid then. When I qualified as a dentist in 93, sleep apnea wasn't in the syllabus.
00:32:28
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Now it's estimated by some people to be killing 20% of the population a decade early. Wow. Where's this come from? bit scary, really.
00:32:40
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So, you know, if if we're reducing the cross-sectional, if I were to you know draw a line at this place, I was to slice my head off at this that and look down, we've seen the cross-sectional area there has reduced dramatically.
00:32:57
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You know, you see, you you go in, go out on the African Serengeti and see this guy standing bolt upright. Yeah. Big, broad smile. All 32 teeth in beautiful alignment.
Historical Evidence on Environmental Impact
00:33:09
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Yeah. You know, beautiful facial architecture. You know, you know, well-structured bones. It's, you know, it's, He looks good.
00:33:19
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Well, look good. He looks healthy. I mean, they what is this look good? I mean, you know, basically, yeah I think it's looking healthy. I think there's a big crossover. Same thing, different sides of the coin.
00:33:32
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Now, he's just like those guys off walking out the African, i'm sorry, the um Amazon rainforest. Probably not so dissimilar to some of the guys walking off the Australian Outback.
00:33:44
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Surprisingly how similar all these groups are and how similar they are to our ancestors because we know where our ancestors were. We've got records. And This changes seems to have occurred in all races, all societies, all countries, as they've become developed, in proportion to how developed they've become, often in complete isolation to one another.
00:34:14
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And we've seen some evidence, not good, but with some evidence of it reversing when societies collapse. So, you know, and you know, that evidence the evidence that these problems are due to the environment is piled high and deep.
00:34:31
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It's just ignored. You know, look at the anthropologists. they've um they They say, well, the more complex the grave that they find the more trinkets, the more complex those trinkets, the more sophisticated the culture that grave came from, the more distorted the skull is, the more crooked teeth they have.
00:34:55
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And these are these are observations from hundreds of thousands, I don't know, of hundreds of thousands, but at least tens of thousands of skulls and burial sites. It's clear cut, but you go into orthodontics and it's almost as if, oh, you know, we're not going to look at that whole world over there.
00:35:13
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And same thing, you know, it it seems, and I mean, I don't want to knock members of my profession because they make, you know, there's really well-qualified people doing really good work and getting really nice outcomes.
00:35:27
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But I just think we could get more, you know, that that's what our understanding is. You know, it's not that these techniques don't work. It's just that couldn't we add so much more with a better understanding?
00:35:41
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So in essence, what's happened is faces have lengthened as they've lengthened the cross sectional areas reduced and We then took our normative data in the mid of the middle of the last century So we've placed our foundation stone in the wrong place So all our reference points are wrong And that really then messes up how you understand something So we now see well, you know, we're rather than um
00:36:17
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Let me say, i don't want to get too complex here. let's go I'll go to the edge of complexity here. So ro you know we see people with teeth like this, but they're crowded. We've seen people like this, which is what we refer to as a class two, or we see people like this, which is the same as me saying like this, like this.
00:36:37
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And we think, oh, well here's normal. maybe with or without crowding, that's jaw set too far back, that's jaw set too far forward. I'm saying, no, this was ideal.
00:36:51
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You've slipped down here to what we now think is normal. You don't see that because you did your reference point at the wrong time. yeah Then this is the class two, and this is the class three.
00:37:02
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And of course, that's going to fundamentally affect how you're going to try and treat this. and what you're going to do as a ah result of that. Anyway, so that's that's kind of...
Call for Scientific Debate on Facial Development
00:37:15
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That's me going through what I think is the etiology and going on through the pathology.
00:37:19
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So we think etiology is this, you know, development, you know, breastfeeding, weaning, um those types of And maybe some food things. I'm not leaving the door... I'm not closing the door on some of Western Price's ideas. id You know, I would love them to be true.
00:37:35
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let's Let's really... drill down in this area i need a partner who i can work with who can drill down with me and we can go through some more of this data then you've got the consistency of the food the hardness of the food of course western a price wasn't examining that yeah okay he didn't look at it and it's clear that when he talks about the diet from whereas i'm reading his book i'm saying well all these foods are softer aren't they It's clearly much, much softer.
00:38:05
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And then of course, his um they're also much more likely to cause an allergic response, these foods. And people are then moving indoors where they're not living outside.
00:38:16
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Well, that's much more likely to cause an allergic response. And then of course, um we've got this change in the, this mixture of change in breathing pattern with change in posture, you know, stimulated by changing the breathing and the need to breathe, to respire, and it's resulting in a change in posture. But people are going from this to this.
00:38:38
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And you could sum up most of what I'm saying, or the answer to most of what I'm saying to stand up straight and shut your mouth.
00:38:50
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you know, we could question whether really I'm coming out with something completely new or I'm reinventing the wheel. The working title we've got for these changes in form is craniofacial dystrophy because it's through lack of usage and it's the craniofacial structure. So we've got craniofacial dystrophy and that's become sort of byword for the changes that are re occurring.
00:39:14
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And there may be genetic factors in, it but But, you know, we need, there's a lack of engagement within my science because I don't think people want to to change.
00:39:27
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You know, sciences do this. They don't like to change. so kind of You know, and I think was what we need. We we just need what I'm calling for is is debate and engagement.
00:39:42
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And we need, you know, meaningful engagement on the cause. You know, I've got some great ideas. I don't think I've ah I have all the answers, but I do think I'm asking the right questions.
00:39:54
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And I think we need, as I say, we need a free, full and fair engagement. on the cause then we need to flesh out the pathology and then we need to just move further forward and you know we need to have a broader perspective, you know, that's what you do in a science.
00:40:13
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You know, we use the scientific method and and that's what I'm calling for. And, you know, I spent a lot of time and but between the alternative or non-stream medical groups and the medical groups. And there's, there's, they constantly argue between them.
00:40:29
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And I'm saying, well, look, I'm standing out here because I just want simple debate on the cause. her yeah Yeah. And that's where I really stand out because I'm saying, Hey, I want scientific process.
00:40:41
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And I'm not asking for more research. There's plenty of research done. Yeah. We just need to make the most of what is already there. What I think we lack greatly in medicine is the the philosophizing.
00:40:58
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Absolutely. Yeah, the theoretical. I have, sorry, I'm i'm harking on here to, you know, do excuse me, but you did want my opinion. Of course. I'm amazed. Yeah. of what we know about this universe.
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The vision for this Beyond Terrain Academy is huge there's already ton of resources in there so go check it out but let's get back to the episode so dr i'd like to ask you about sleep because it's a third of our life we spend sleeping obviously there's a softness attributed to our sleeping habits now with the memory foam and the ever so comfortable pillows and everything yeah how comfortable were beds years ago That's what i'm I'm alluding
Ancestral vs. Modern Living Conditions
00:43:19
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to, right? You know, I feel like sleeping on the ground isn't necessarily the same as sleeping in these real comfortable beds. And I'm curious about the structure of the tongue and the face and the jaw when you are sleeping. You know, what many people do end up drooling all over their pillow. You know, is this should this suction stay all night? You know, is that what are we looking for in healthy sleep habits?
00:43:43
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It's interesting. I mean, I as i said, you know I got the privilege and a real privilege of being able to do a lot of traveling um a long time ago. So A, before the internet started and B, before mobile phone coverage.
00:43:58
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So these were two. And also before the world and their dog just started to go traveling. um And it was it was hardcore. you know It was not easy to go to these places. But one of the real things I noticed was just where people slept.
00:44:14
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So I remember, you know, was real common. You'd be going through our main... This was when I was in... um Yeah, we'd gone to Ecuador, and we were up in the mountains. I've got to remember what they call it.
00:44:28
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There's a word for this area, kind of like there's two mountain ranges. There's a high-level area between them. Anyway, in fact, I was with Dad, and we managed... we just looked at my calendar, and I said, Dad, tomorrow is the twenty first of What was it?
00:44:44
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um but It was either it was the Equinox. So it was either March or it was September. I can't remember. And I said, we're really close to the equator. So I found some town with a market in it that was literally on the equator.
00:44:57
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I set my watch for 12 o'clock. Yes. Now on at the Equinox. So, you know, at the the the midsummer um solstice, the sun is at the tropical Cancer or Capricorn. Oh, I can't remember one of them.
00:45:12
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And the midwinter solstice, which whichever we owe is is is reversed, depending which hemisphere you're in. Anyways, the sun crosses over the equator at the equinoxes and we happen to be right on the equator.
00:45:26
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At 12 o'clock, my alarm went off and we both looked down at our shadows and literally you've got little pool shadow right by your feet. It was kind of like, because you're so high up in the mountain. Actually, it was a bit chilly, to be honest. it Now, I remember that day i was there with dad and he's unfortunately just passed away. So, you know, little memory on him.
00:45:47
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But yeah and I remember as I went around the local market, I couldn't get over just people. It was just someone asleep. a grown, well, I wouldn't say he was old, he must have been in about 20s, lying sideways across a pile sacks that were full of things.
00:46:05
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And I'm just thinking, how the hell has he not completely destroyed himself lying in that manner? And actually, over time and in experience, I found out that was almost normal.
00:46:19
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To find people just asleep in the most strange places, in the most strange positions, in all these kind of crazy situations that you just would never credit them doing so.
00:46:30
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Now, top that in. Now let's take sideways. So we often think about ancient man as caveman. right So that's about...
00:46:43
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35,000 years ago would be caveman. All right. Genetically identical to we are now that you could refer to as anatomically correct hum homo sapien. And, you know, we talk about anatomically correct homo sapien going back 250, maybe 350,000 years, but let's only go back 35,000 years.
00:47:06
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Sure. And we talk about them as caveman. And we also say, we you know we we We've got cave art, we've got good evidence that they lived in caves, but vast areas of the planet don't have caves.
00:47:25
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Vast areas. And all the evidence, particularly evidence for modern groups like this, is that they were nomadic. And they had to be nomadic because they were hunting and gathering.
00:47:38
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um You know, i think, you know talking to people, it does seem that yeah what all Lots of the modern foodstuffs we have now, we we take as normal, just didn't exist in the past.
00:47:51
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So we probably got less nutritional value from the gathering than we kind of sometimes assume and probably more from the hunting.
00:48:02
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Anyway, that's not my area. That's up for the debate. Either ways, to gain nutritional value, ah calories from the land you have to be moving all the time and so we were most likely nomadic and as i think that's pretty certain now we're with nomadic that means you're not taking a bed with you you're not taking a blow-up mattress with you You know, you're going to take the minimum of stuff. Basically, you carry with you every day. mean, you might stop for a week or two. I don't know. You've got to prepare to be carrying every day everything you have.
00:48:44
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You're not going to stop anywhere. You need to have it with you. So you will carry, you will travel with the minimum of stuff. That means you're literally going to sleep on whatever's there.
00:48:56
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You might have a pillow or you might use some of your items as a pillow. It's the one thing, you know, I'm sleeping rough. The one thing to me that makes a difference is having a pillow. But maybe that's got such a, got a sort of modern neck curvature. I now need that.
00:49:09
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I've become prostituted to the modern world in a way. So I don't know, but I would strongly think that our ancestors just slept on the ground.
00:49:22
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absolutely I don't think and I think all of this idea of soft modern beds or sprung mattresses or memory foam, it's just it's a modern aberration. And, you know, we've we've we've spent a lifetime trying to make life softer for us in a way that all of society has been trying to achieve that.
00:49:43
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So yeah is it good for us? It could be asked. Yeah, probably not. You know, if if you live in l a can you physically walk to get everything you need?
00:49:59
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You know, I went out with someone in LA and I like to walk to go and get things. And I remember i saying, oh I'm going to go down the shops. And I set off to go down the shops and she gives me a call and she goes, well, where are you?
00:50:17
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And I say, well, I've headed down to get the shop. She goes, but the car's still here.
00:50:23
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And I go, well, yeah, yeah I walked. She goes, well, why did you walk? To get the shops. And it was lucky for her, but it was a good, you know, it was a good a half hour walk to get to the shops.
00:50:36
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It's just everything so big. It's just not set up for walking. And people just as a general didn't walk. And what's that doing to us? Well, we kind of know what it's doing to us with ah rates of obesity and rates of unfitness.
00:50:49
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So, yeah, it's interesting, you know, and and yeah Anyway, sorry. like i could I could talk forever. This is my favorite chosen subject. You have got me going here. Amazing. Great.
00:51:01
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Great to hear. Listen, before I let you go here, I want to know...
Introduction to Orthotropics
00:51:05
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What can we do about it? We live in these modern worlds. Many of us are stuck in these patterns throughout our lifestyles.
00:51:13
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How do we get out of these negative habits, patterns? How do we heal? Okay, so I... with this you know This is what I've been trying to do. So I was doing... i till recently, i was...
00:51:29
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treating patients using a system called orthotropics, whereas orthodontics mean straight teeth, orthotropics mean straight growth. The principle, if your face grows well, it works well.
00:51:42
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And a lot of the problems with the faces are because they're not growing well. it's yeah It's quite a simple concept. And, you know, if you want straight teeth, you've got it. You could have Invisalign, you could have a number of different treatment systems. Great. It's all there or even surgery.
00:51:58
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There's systems you can have. Now, if you want your face to grow well, well, we have this system. The problem was, is it wasn't very economic but because, and this is the real kicker.
00:52:10
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If You know, it's what you do yourself that counts. Okay. So we're talking about, you know, we we talked about the etiology, the cause of the problem.
00:52:22
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And I said, well, you've got the developmental issues. Well, clearly you've got your child coming, you know, you're going to be a daddy soon. yeah So you need to be really up with those developmental issues. But as soon as you've got to three years old, well, those development, they're gone.
00:52:36
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And the only two you're really left with is the toughness of the diet and the posture. Okay, so clearly you've got to avenue in on that but both the toughness of your diet and your posture are things you control And who makes money a dietitian or a liposurgeon because one drives a Ferrari and the other a bicycle
00:53:03
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And the one in the Ferrari is probably on the committees at the hospital and just making board level decisions. And I think that is indicative of modern medicine. But the problem, and the inherent probably what we were doing, I was trying to get children to change.
00:53:20
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And I was judged by my ability to get true children to change. And it was really, really tough to get them to change. And it just wasn't profitable. And, you know, it was idealistic. It was brilliant when we got a case going well, the outcomes were so good, no one believed us.
00:53:41
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But again, you needed to be treating, you know, one of our catchphrases, logos, brands, whatever you said, was eight getting too late. So again, you know, we're we're talking three years old for those developmental issues.
00:53:55
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Then by the time you've got eight, you're really struggling with any type of um orthodontic type intervention, any sort of treatment, if you would call it like that.
00:54:07
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Now, So I ah really been trying to push the narrative because, you know, we've got I see a lot of people whose faces haven't grown well. And this is sorry. i mean, this is a really emotive subject.
00:54:21
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When I start talking about this, but but you know, I'm sorry for anyone listening to this who thinks, oh, well, my face hasn't grown well, um you know. Etc, etct etc, etc.
00:54:32
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i' that Sorry, i'm I'm a scientist. I'm trying to find answers. I'm a doctor scientist kind of person. I want to find answers. So I came up with this
The Mewing Technique and Its Influence
00:54:41
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concept. but it was i My father came up with this concept called the tropic premise.
00:54:47
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And that is you need to rest with the teeth together, lips together, tongue on the roof of the mouth. And I'm thrown in good body posture. yeah So teeth together, lips together, tongue on the roof of the mouth.
00:54:57
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And I could also throw in strong chewing muscles. So I then, well, I seem to start this internet craze.
00:55:08
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I'm quite sure how I started it. I was just, you know, trying to help kids out. I was trying to give some advice. And this then came termed mewing. And mewing became a phenomena, an absolute crazy phenomena.
00:55:23
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And it's simply based on that concept. Lips together, teeth together, tongue on the roof of the mouth. And it's permeated society. I mean, a lot of people watching this will say, what's he talking about?
00:55:35
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But you, I presume, are not between the ages of 14 and 24. Because if you are and you live in the English speaking world, you will probably know about mewing. thats um It's kind of like it's died off a little bit now, probably a good thing.
00:55:51
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And, you know, when I put these ideas out, I didn't really think that it would go like it did. But in reflection, course it was going to.
00:56:03
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What were kids going to do when they realized they had um power, they had control over their own body in a way that they never really realized before? Exactly.
00:56:16
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It's, you know, it is, you know, it the I don't think we we took, we used the example earlier on that at 80 years old, if you have a stroke, one side of your face can change. So in theory, it should be possible to gain changes at any point in your life.
00:56:33
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The problems are it's remembering to do it. You know, I see so many people who come to me and they say, oh, I'm mewing. um And I've been mewing all the time and I'm not getting any changes.
00:56:48
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And I go, well, you hang your mouth open half the time. And they go, no, I don't. I'm mewing all the time.
00:56:55
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And i go you're kidding yourself. You are literally kidding yourself. So my next step is, you know, i've um I've had a little bit of a run in with the authorities and um they don't like me much, which is a shame because I really want to be constructive. I want to be proactive. There's so much that we could build here.
00:57:17
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And to be judged by people who don't know the cause of the problem they're treating, I think runs the risk of, miscarriages of justice should we say anyway what I want to do is I want to raise some capital I want to get some investment I want to get really going with trying to help people to change because I think that it's remembering to do these things you know you can go down the gym you know I can walk in from home put my briefcase down pick up my sports bag head out to the gym I don't much because
00:57:58
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yeah I try and engage it in my normal daytime.
Lifestyle Changes for Better Health
00:58:01
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But I could do it. I go down to the gym and you exercise. Because exercise is something you do, whereas posture is something you are.
00:58:12
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And that's very profound when you start to think about it. And changing people's posture is profound. And the main problem with changing posture is simply remembering to do it.
00:58:25
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yeah And all of a sudden... Having, as ah you know, years ago, I thought, oh, there's no way we're ever going to be able develop anything that really can give you that level of feedback on this sort of amorphous thing of what is posture.
00:58:40
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Oh, well, I think AI is going to come to my rescue. doing Just might. Just might. And i think we can i think within the concepts of you know visual feedbacks and AI, i think I think we can really help people to change, particularly people at a young age or people at an older age.
00:59:00
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And that's half of this paradigm I'm bringing up here. This gaining change and helping people achieve. I know the techniques. It's not complex. Stand up straight and shut your mouth. It's not a complex thing to do.
00:59:13
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You know you should do it. Everyone knows they should stand up straight. Yet, who does? to This is the problem. yeah And it's often, the things are so simple.
00:59:25
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You know, if you want to get fit, exercise. It's not complex. You know, we we recommend people in their mature lives have a brisk 10 minute walk every day.
00:59:38
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And apparently no research has been done on this. But, you know, and all the evidence would suggest this could make a huge difference for your longevity. 10 minutes brisk walk a day.
00:59:49
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OK, we'll just get cracking. We'll just do this. Yeah, just stand up straight and shut your mouth. You know, i see these videos. I saw one from New York the other day. Someone finds some ancient early video from New York and it was going, isn't everyone slim?
01:00:05
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And I'm going, yeah. Aren't they all standing beautifully? Absolutely beautifully. Now the other side of it is a lot of people, a lot of people watching this, you're going to struggle to have the correct posture because you're lacking tongue space.
01:00:21
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You know, you've had your wisdom teeth taken out. You might've had another tooth taken out. If you try and stuff your tongue into that space, close your mouth, stand up straight. ah Even now you can see I'm getting a little of lack of space here.
01:00:34
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And so some of you are going to need a helping hand with mechanics or surgery to get you out of the hole you're in. But when we think of 20% of the population dying a decade early because of sleep apnea, well, there's a big need here.
Critique of Symptomatic Medical Practices
01:00:51
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And this is going somewhere. And all I'm asking for is full engagement on the cause of the problem so that we can flesh out the the process, the pathology, and then work towards cures.
01:01:03
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Rather than, you know, you I'm concerned from my observation that the ENT, or to laryngology in the States, the orthodontists, a lot of the jaw joint people, a lot of the sleep apnea people, a lot of these people working on this structure tend to be treating symptomatically absolutely they tend not to understand the cause of the problem none of these problems seem to exist in the past they're all going up at a just rapid rate rapid rate you know and it's and that you at some point ah we're going to follow we're going to find out the truth and
01:01:45
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you You can't hold it back. And when people desperately need this. But then, of course, we go into this. there's the really if what I'm saying is right, then we're confusing health and beauty and we're trying to make people look more beautiful.
01:02:05
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And, ooh, I told you I opened Pandora's box. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So anyway, that is a very good synopsis of what I do, where I stand and what I'm trying to do in this world.
01:02:19
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and Amazing. I would say to anyone watching this, you will hear more of this. There is no way out. This is so profound, what I'm saying. So, so profound.
01:02:32
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And it will you you you'll hear about it. And then if not, you'll be affected about it Particularly you're going to have a child. Do you want your child to grow well or not? Do you yourself want to grow well or not?
01:02:45
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And, you know, um we've, you know, literally, with the all these problems have been literally under our nose. We've not even looked at it. It's been staring us back at the mirror.
01:02:56
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Face it, it's your face. You know, can I say? ship
Where to Learn More About Mewing
01:03:04
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Amazing. Dr. Mew, where can the listeners find more about your work, social medias?
01:03:09
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How can they learn more? How can they support you? You can Google Orthotropics. That's our central type of website. um You can Google Mewing. I've got an app called Mewing by Mike Mew.
01:03:21
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um The app's got a lot of really useful information in it. It's so far been tailored to the much more useful crowd. We're trying to... Work it upwards. we're trying to explore. We we got it developed. We've paid for its development.
01:03:35
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It's doing all right. And I think now we want to broaden the spectrum of it. um um You can try chewing some tough gum, but be very careful. You'll check your jaw joints out in advance of that.
01:03:47
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um And of course, then there's lip taping. There's a huge number of different um methods and exercise you can use. But just watch this space. I mean, I'm going to change a section of medicine.
01:04:01
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I just ah really hope that we do this um in know in a constructive manner, um' working together for the benefit of patients. That would be my goal.
01:04:12
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Yeah, great. Well, I believe that you've already... made a lot of headway on that goal. So we appreciate everything that you do and everything that your father has done. And um our deepest condolences here to you. And just thank you for for everything that you do and everything that you continue to do for for the field.
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Cool. All right. Listen, it's pleasure. Thank you very much. You know, please spread the word. And anyone watching this, please tell at least two more people. Yeah. Because that's the way the word spreads.
01:04:43
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Cool. Thank you. Great. Thank you. All right. and i want to thank you all for listening to the episode. Before we wrap things up, we should all know that this is for informational purposes only.
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