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Schizophrenia Is Not a Life Sentence - Jerry Marzinsky and Judy Gregerson
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Former schizophrenic turned trauma healer Judy Gregerson joins returning guest Dr. Jerry Marzinsky to challenge the psychiatric establishment’s deepest lies about mental illness.
In this raw and eye-opening conversation, Judy shares her four-year descent into voices, paranoia, and suicidal despair—and the unorthodox path that led to complete recovery without medication.
Jerry draws on 45+ years of frontline mental health experience to expose the myths of chemical imbalance, the spiritual reality of “hallucinations,” and the life-draining agenda of Big Pharma.
Together, they reveal the patterns voices follow, the trauma roots psychiatry ignores, and the cutting-edge energetic therapy (MACE) they now use to permanently dissolve trauma triggers in just an hour.
This is a must-listen for anyone seeking real healing beyond the limitations of the modern systems.
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Jerry Marzinski Judy Gregerson, thank much for coming on the podcast once again. Marzinski, they are quite familiar with your work and who you are. Judy, if you don't mind, maybe introducing yourself ah for the listener before we get too deep in today's episode.
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Yeah, I'm Judy Gregerson, and i am i travel with Jerry sometimes podcast. I'm a former schizophrenic. I was schizophrenic for four years and then completely, totally overcame it and went on to live a ah perfectly normal life. I'm also a writer and I live in the Pacific Northwest and I go around and tell people what happened and hope to help somebody get free. Amazing.
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Amazing. Yeah. Very, very powerful. um Jerry, is there anything that you want to say to start us off here today? Yeah. i spoke to you guys about a month ago, but I just kind of wanted to reiterate a little bit about psychiatry. One of the things they say is that schizophrenia is a life sentence.
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you know Judy sitting in front of you here is is proof that that's not true. So, um you I talked a little bit last time, they psychiatry and big pharma and the universities don't know what causes schizophrenia. So they make things up.
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you know the First they blamed it on mothers, then they blamed it on genetics. last they blamed it on a chemical imbalance. All of those things proved to be false. They're still using their chemical imbalance bull in their advertisements.
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There is no chemical imbalance. Schizophrenia is a spiritual disorder. It's caused by voices. And if you get rid of those voices by any means, it disappears.
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It's gone. So and those voices that schizophrenics here run specific repeatable patterns.
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Psychiatry insists that these are hallucinations. Now hallucinations don't run repeatable patterns. So the voices that schizophrenics here are entities and you know they they say the same things over and over again. And they're also parasites.
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They want to upset the person. They feed off negative emotional energy. They say anything that they can to upset the person, most of which is lies. And
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what they, what they, they don't sound like something outside for the most part. They, they don't come and go, we are the voices. I mean, they sound just like the person's normal thoughts, you know,
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But the content and the intent is very different. The content is consistently negative. it's ah it Its intention is negative and destructive. So these things are very destructive.
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they they They lie constantly. You can't trust anything they say. um They are sent to destroy the person that they invade.
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Judy's going to tell you about them. Psychiatry does not have a cure. They don't even know what the cause is. They say it's a chemical imbalance. The biochemists
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are saying, listen, there is no chemical imbalance.
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That's been disproven over and over and over again. They're still doing that. They're still pushing it to sell their drugs. That lie was started by Eli Lilly back in the 70s when they came up with Prozac.
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They knew it wasn't true at the time. They ran with it anyway. So they're teaching it in the universities now. They don't have any proof whatsoever. It's just to sell the drugs.
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And the same thing with the voices. They haven't done any research into the voices at all. They just went, you know, we're psychiatrists. and we're the head dogs in in mental health.
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We hereby proclaim that these voices are hallucinations because we said so. They have nothing to back it whatsoever. So a big part of what psychiatry is telling you about schizophrenia It's not true.
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it's It's a fraud. right They're in it for the money, as as is the drug companies. So I'm going to let Judy tell you her story. And by the time we're done, you're going to know more about schizophrenia than psychiatry does.
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Yeah, you probably will. butll give I'll give you a little background. um please As far as I know, Jerry would agree with this. Schizophrenics basically have a very trauma-based background.
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I came from a home with two alcoholics that was quite volatile, explosive. My mother disintegrated when I was 13. She had been my best friend. So her disintegration and going into a mental hospital and never coming home was devastating to me.
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And it really, um really, really traumatized me. And it shattered any sense I had of who I was who would who I could be.
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who i could be It just shattered me. It left me a lot of broken pieces. And then my father, after mom left, my father was very neglectful. So I could run wild and do whatever wanted to do. I was the craziest, wildest 14-year-old you would ever meet.
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Maybe not today, but back then I was. Yeah, and I want to i want to readrate reiterate that. I've spent more than 45 years on the front lines in mental health. And virtually every schizophrenic I've spoken to has had some kind of awful trauma,
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or they were using meth or some kind of drug. And if you're looking for a cause of schizophrenia, yeah it's severe sexual, emotional, or physical abuse, or or meth and cocaine.
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right And these people that are using like the meth, eventually the voices start showing up, they think it's a hallucination, and they think it's gonna go away, and it does.
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Then one day it doesn't, it just stays. And they're just as crazy as anybody in the mental hospital. But it's the voices that cause this stuff. Yeah.
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Well, and and the thing is that they these entities, they're cause schizophrenia. They they look for people who are traumatized. They look for people who who have low self-esteem. They look for people who are damaged.
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and And my life continued to be damaged on until I went to college. And by the time I got to college, I didn't really know who I was. I was i was afraid.
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i had at that point no family to depend on at all. My family had disintegrated over this alcoholism and I was the last one left. And so I went to college, I got involved with drugs and I started doing a lot of LSD. That was kind of my drug of choice. I loved LSD.
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And I did tons of it, tons and tons of it until one day I had a very bad trip. And I don't remember exactly what happened, but it scared me so bad. And I think a part of it was a feeling of total loss of control over my mind and my emotions. And it scared me so badly that I stopped. I just stopped cold.
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And then I continued to smoke pot. And I went home after my first year of college. And I had an episode, I was working as a waitress, I had an episode where I just completely, was standing up doing waitressly things and I completely blacked out. I didn't know where I was.
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ah didn't know what day it was. i didn't know what time it was. It probably only lasted a few seconds, and it felt like hours for me. And I thought something's really wrong. And that was for me the beginning of the of breaking down.
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I was beginning to dissociate. I was beginning to... to really break down, have a breakdown. So I went back to college. There was a guy that I was very much in love with. He left.
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he He couldn't take what I was going through. And I really kind of wanted to glom onto him. I was looking for identity. I was looking for something that gave me an identity. And so I wanted, I was i was like a stage four Klingon.
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That's what my kids would call it. I was just a horrible Klingon because I had no identity. So i was trying to take it from other people and and live inside them. So he left and that horrified me. And I decided at that point that I needed to die. So I took an overdose of pills.
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And prior to that, I had already, through my teen years and up to that point, I had already tried to commit suicide probably four times because of all this trauma and not understanding what it was and not understanding how to deal with it and being told by my family that what I felt I really didn't feel. So they gaslighted me and told me, I didn't, that's not really how you feel.
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You're fine. You're just making that up. So I took this bottle of pills and laid down in my dorm room. And as I was laying there, I thought, I mean, I had this very, very vivid thought that if I die, i was going to hell.
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And that wasn't God's plan for me. And that I need to do something. So I picked up the phone and called a roommate and they came and got me. And I ended up in the ER with tubes down my stomach and screaming and yelling and fighting because I really did want to die.
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And they were saving me. But that that episode landed me a trip to... the county mental health clinic. And this was in New York. And in New York, if you try to commit suicide, you're referred over too to mental health.
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So I had to sit before a board of psychiatrists to decide whether I was going to go into an institution. And in those days, it was long-term, pretty much. This was in the early 70s.
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Or whether I could stay on the outside. And they decided that I could stay on the outside. So prior to that, before I went to the County Malone Health Click, and there were several things that happened at once. It was the suicide attempt.
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There was a woman I met in the student union who came over to talk to me and started preaching the gospel of me and telling me that Jesus loved me and had a wonderful plan for my life, which just infeliced.
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infuriated me beyond belief. I just wanted to smack her. and then she started telling me that, you know, I had sin in my life and I needed to repent and I needed to accept Christ and God had this wonderful plan. And if I would just accept Jesus, everything would be, everything would be good.
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And it horrified me and it scared me. And I just got up and I ran. What was your impression of the mental health clinic that you went to? they Did they give you drugs? yeah.
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Yeah, well,
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that's the first thing they did. The first thing they asked me was if I was homicidal or suicidal. I was suicidal. That's what they want to know. You're kill somebody else, you're going to kill yourself.
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That was like a big, a big big deal. Second of all, they told me that I'd had a complete psychotic breakdown and that I was now schizophrenic and that that meant that I had a chemical imbalance in my brain and it was permanent.
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and I was always going to be broken. So they gave me three drugs, one for schizophrenia, I think one was for depression, and one was for side effects. And how'd you feel on those drugs?
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Well, it's like taking elephant tranquilizer. They just, they they numb you so, so bad. they I always said that they steal your soul.
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Schizophrenia steals your mind. The pills steal your soul. So right around that time is when the voices started. i was sitting in my room, and I think it was actually before I went to the psychiatrist, but it all, it's a long time ago, and it's a bush. Mm-hmm.
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But I was lying in my dorm room in my bed, smoking pot and listening to some Neil Young, who was pretty melancholy. And I was visualizing in my mind, i visualized this great big door, this great big wooden door, like a portal.
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And when I hadd done LSD, my girlfriend and I had walked through a lot of portals. So portal was not anything new to me. It's like, oh, it's a portal. So I thought, well, I'll just open that door and I'll go in that portal. And I'm seeing all this in my mind.
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Not visually, but in my mind, I'm seeing it. So I went to that door in my mind. I opened the door and I walked in. And the room was kind of, it was a gray light, almost like ah like a deep fog.
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And I couldn't see anything else, just this deep fog. And I stepped in, I shut the door behind me. And then I turned around to get out and I couldn't open the door. Now this was going on in my mind, but it was real in my emotions.
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And that's when the voices started. And they told me, you're trapped. You're never getting out. You're no good. Nobody loves you. You're a piece of crap. And then they would, there were four voices and they would mock me and they would talk to each other about what a horrible person I was.
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Nobody loved me. I was better off dead. I should kill myself. Why, why didn't i why did I make that phone call? You know, and what's what they what's what's so interesting is I've worked, you know, throughout the United States and I worked in a giant psychiatric hospital in Georgia.
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You know I've worked in the state prison here. I've worked in numerous private and and hospitals here. The voices are always saying the same kind of stuff. Just like Judy said, it's always you're no good. You're rotten. You're ugly. You're stupid. Nobody loves you. Your parents hate you.
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It's always the same stuff. It's like they they were made in some big cosmic cookie cutter somewhere. And the the the patterns are the same as they were with all them. And I've spoken to hundreds of schizophrenics.
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It's all the same. They run the same fricking patterns and psychiatry keeps the same garbage up. Oh, it's a, you're, you, you've got a chemical balance of your brain. It's a life sentence.
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There's nothing you can do about it, which Judy sitting here before you shows that that's a lie. It's a lie. And, and they, the the message they give you is so hopeless. It's like, there's nothing you can do about it except take our toxic drugs.
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Well, you know, you go you go into the psychiatrist and here you are, you're devastated, you're shattered. I was shattered. I mean, I didn't even know some days who I was. I would look in the mirror. I would kind of recognize myself.
00:16:04
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But my loss of identity in this breakdown I had was so severe that sometimes I look at myself and I wasn't sure that I was me. And sometimes I would have blackouts. i would I'd find myself driving on the New York State Thruway heading for a bridge and not knowing how I got there.
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and get back to college, my college campus, and find out I've been gone for three days. Where was I? i don't know. I don't know where I was. But the other thing about these voices is not only are they a voice, but they have a presence.
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They have a weight. They have an emotional, spiritual weight with them. and they And schizophrenia, I call it the sickness of fear. It is so dominantly, you you live in this world that is fear,
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in every part of you, 24 hours a day, it never lets up. They feed on it. And there's a paranoia. they They would tell me that they were coming, somebody's coming to get me.
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I didn't know who was coming to get me because of what I did. It's like, what did I do? So there's this paranoia that somebody's coming to get you. i mean, I knew i'd done a lot of things in my teenage years that nowadays you could go to juvie for, you know, we thought nothing of it when we were kids.
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But I didn't know what I'd done that was so bad, but I knew i they convinced me that it was something I had done something and they were coming for me and they were going to take me away. And my life was over.
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And this went on, you know, 24 seven. And then, you know, there's the anxiety and there's depression. And then you've got the drugs, which make you, they just make you completely numb. They, they bring the voices down for the most part of the voices come in.
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they come in cycles. They attack. Like one time I was up in, up on the 10th floor of the dorm with some friends of mine and they, they came and they told me to pick up a lamp and beat the head in of one of my friends because he had gotten me into acid.
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And they said, he's the one that broke your brain, kill him, bash his brains in. And I, I was not homicidal, thank God. I would have more likely bashed my own brains in. I wouldn't hurt anybody. That just was not my that was not my identity. I was not a killer.
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Judy, did you notice that your energy disappeared after they attacked you? You didn't have any energy? Yeah. I mean, I would sometimes, Jerry, I'd go to bed for and afternoon or a whole day and just crawl up at a ball and forget about everything because there was nothing left of me.
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The thing, though, is that those drugs make you so tired and so lethargic and so uncaring, indifferent. But living in in the middle of uncaring indifference when you've got fear and paranoia playing on you all the time and you're in hypervigilance, which I was always in hypervigilance. I mean, if the door slammed, I'd fly, I'd jump because i would I was always afraid and I didn't know who was coming for me, what was coming for me. the other thing was for me, I know a lot of schizophrenics talk to their voices.
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I didn't talk to mine. They so intimidated me I feared them so greatly that I cowered. Jerry, you probably saw people like that. I just sat in a ball and I cowered.
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I cowered because I had no answer for them. But i irrespective of the sedative effect of the drugs, did you notice that after a brutal attack by them that you were more eviscerated or or had much less energy than you had before they attacked you?
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Yeah, because when they attack you you, you spend all your psychic emotional energy trying to survive the attack. And it's like I've said to other people, I tell this story. It's like like being in hell, but you're on the first level.
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And there are levels that go deeper. And knew that the level I was on was, I knew I was on a top level. I knew I could go further down. So when those attacks came, you fight to hold your ground.
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because they're trying to take you deeper. And so that's exhausting. It's exhausting just to stand up in the midst of being berated and being tormented. It's torture.
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Yeah, that energy drain, it I've talked to hundreds of schizophrenics and all of them said after the voices attack, they feel completely drained.
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I had one guy said, I can feel my energy leave. You know, like it was being sucked out of them. you know So it it appears that these things want that negative emotion and that's what they feed off of.
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Well, they get you they get you worked up. I mean, I had four voices and they would torment me and they would mock me. One would say, oh, look at her. She's not crazy. And then I'd say, oh, don't pick on her She's just a little nuts.
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And then the other one would say, she's not just a little nut. She's gone. Don't you see it? She's gone. There's nothing left of her. And they would go and they would argue and and and mock me and torment me. and they were like a They were like a tag team is what they were.
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What one didn't say, the other would say. And then the other would fill in a part of the blank. And they were, i mean, I could feel them. I could feel two in front of me and two behind me, kind of in my in my head.
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That's where I heard them, you know, in in different parts of my head. And so they, you know, there their joy was was in tormenting. And my life was, it became ah battle of just trying to survive until I could figure a way out.
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I had one patient where his voices were, he could hear him plotting behind him about how they were going to kill him. You know, should we kill him this way? Should we do this? I mean, you know, debating how they were going to kill him.
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well like you said, in a tag team. Yeah, the tag team thing is is something else because it's it was four against one. There was no there was no winning it And I knew there was no winning it. And the thing about it that was probably the scariest is you come to believe it.
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You come to believe i am nothing. I have no future. No one loves me. And in the middle of this, i I flunked out of college because I couldn't go to class. I couldn't read.
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ah couldn't write a paper because I was exhausted all the time or I was under attack and I'm, you know, cowering. And my father basically told me to cut the crap. And when i when I was over playing my games and I could come home, but until then I couldn't.
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So I was i was basically booted out of the family because i don't think I don't think my dad really understood And my dad didn't didn't deal with emotions at all on any level. So he couldn't deal with me. So it was his just to get rid of me. So I was on my own. so And I had the psychiatrist, but I didn't trust him.
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I didn't think he had anything good for me. You know, I'd go see him every two weeks. And how are you doing? Well, you know, I'm about the same. OK, well, just keep taking your medicine, you know, 15 minutes.
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It was a nice, nice enough guy. But he did nothing to help me. Nothing. No, no therapy, no referral to therapy, no one to talk to. Just this is it.
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Live with it. And that's common. Yeah. and And they want you to believe that they have the answers, that they know what's going on. absolutely Yeah. Yeah. You know, I see so many connections to um that trauma component as like sort of the the true root cause of it. And you mentioned the the spiritual issue. And I think that that connects to the whole trauma piece as well. You know, you're seeing symptoms of dissociation, ah negative self-beliefs, even on the sort of ah complex trauma, like the more, you know, just childhood kind of general stuff.
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you still see the development of these negative self beliefs. And it's almost like it's a little bit of a spectrum, I suppose, where when it becomes very severe, um it can manifest as more severe symptoms, right? When it comes to like psychosis or schizophrenia, you know, I'm kind of curious and something that the listeners ah constantly ask me is, you know, why doesn't everyone who undergo trauma or, you know, severe trauma develop schizophrenic symptoms or schizophrenia, you know, psychosis, you know, what's the, is there something that,
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that kind of determines that, you know, rather than it just being solely kind of the trauma, like, is there like a developmental piece or, or anything like that? Is it the substances like mentioning ah LSD or marijuana? I know Jerry, you've mentioned, you know, methamphetamines, other drugs, even um you know, the drugs that they use to treat psychosis ah can induce psychosis as well. So I'm just kind of curious on your guys' thoughts. some so Some people have better coping skills.
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You know, like Judy says, she had no support from from anybody. She was pretty much on her own, confused. ah Now, these things hit everybody. They don't just hit schizophrenics. You know, you might be walking along and all of a sudden you get this horrible thought come through your mind to do something that you would never do on your own.
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You know, like but one the one I use is here in Arizona. We don't have any grass. We just go id just go out with a machete and cut down the cactus to keep it from overrunning the place. So, you know, i was out there in the backyard cutting the cactus with a machete.
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And my dog runs by. I got a beautiful white husky. She doesn't belong in Arizona. But she runs by. And here's this thought blasting through my head as she comes by.
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And it goes, cut her head off. Out of nowhere. Out of absolutely nowhere. That wasn't my thought. I would never do anything like that. And I was even horrified that it happened.
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It upset me that I heard a thought like that go through my head. That happens to everybody. okay It's almost like they're they're testing to see how much control they have and how much they can upset you.
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It's like a fisherman baiting a hook and throwing it in there and seeing if the fish will bite. sure And if you get upset, you get real upset, you can't calm yourself down and you're unstable, they'll reel you on in.
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you know ah the other The other thing they is there are there are spiritual open doors. Drugs is an open door. The occult is an open door. It makes it very easy for them to get in. It gives them the right.
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Yeah, the occult is a big one. I've had people, Ouija boards, you know, people playing with Ouija boards. They're talking to some spirit on the Ouija board, and then all of a sudden it appears in their head, and it's the same spirit.
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Here's something interesting. I was listening one day to a radio show, and they were talking about how many teenage boys smoking and pot suddenly develop schizophrenia, and I'm like, I can tell you what that's about.
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you know, it's like, that's not so hard to figure out because that's when it happened to me, smoking pot. And it's an open door. It lets them in. And once they get in, until you get rid of whatever the door is, whatever it is that gives them the right to be there, and they have the right to be there.
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If you're into the occult, if you're into drugs, if you're if you've got some crazy sin in your life, they have the right to be there. And until you clear that up, they're not going anywhere.
00:27:45
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Yeah, they're not going anywhere. And I had given them, i you know, I had all kinds of crazy things I'd done. I had the the occult, you know, I'd done Ouija board.
00:27:56
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I had drugs. And then I was, you know, smoking pot is when it all started. So they had they had a right to me. And I kind of sensed that I had no choice at that point. I had no choice at that point.
00:28:09
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But also at that point, i did I did become a Christian. I did accept Christ. I expected that I'd wake up the next morning and I'd be fine. And lo and behold, I woke up the next morning and I was the same person. And then I was mad because I wanted that wonderful life that Christ had for me.
00:28:27
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But I... Loved the Christians that I met. They were very kind, wonderful people. They were very good to me. They helped me. So I knew there was something positive there. So i stuck with it.
00:28:39
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And there's a pattern to that, too. The voices don't like Christians. They don't like preachers. They don't like the Bible. I've had patients tell me that they, they reading the 23rd Psalm, the voices react like worms thrown on a hot frying pan.
00:28:55
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And this is consistent. The voices don't like religion. They don't like God. They don't like Jesus. They don't like any kind of positive religion. What kind of hallucination would be anti-religious?
00:29:08
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And yet psychiatry is insisting that these things are hallucinations. When I would read the Bible, they would say to me, why would you follow a God who let people kill him?
00:29:22
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And they'd say he let him kill him. They didn't mention that he resurrected from the dead. And I didn't even think about them. So they're right. And so I would be I'd almost be afraid to read my Bible because they'd start on me.
00:29:35
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I had a patient tell me that his voice has told him ah Jesus couldn't even save you himself. What makes you think he's going to save you? Yeah, that's about what you say. It's like twisting the story. I hope you are all enjoying the episode so far. I just want to take a quick moment to share with you a little bit more about the Beyond Terrain Academy.
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The vision for this Beyond Terrain Academy is huge there's already a ton of resources in there so go check it out but let's get back to the episode you know judy i'm really curious you mentioned like you know you accepted christ in your life and then you know the next day it wasn't like everything was you know honky dory and all back to normal You know, that component of doing the great work, I know, is something that's communicated in religious texts. You know, I'm kind of curious, like what that that great work did look like for you to kind of your your representation of, you know, walking through the portal and the doors closing and just that symbolism of.
00:32:00
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you know, that's how the voice is kind of really latched on after testing the waters. You know how did we come out from that portal that with the doors closed? How did we reopen those doors? Or did we have to go through a different avenue? You know, what what was that process like of the great work?
00:32:16
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Well, that was an interesting process. I flunked out of college. I tried to commit suicide again. i told my psychiatrist I was going to kill myself because I realized the only way out for me was to kill myself.
00:32:28
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there was no There was no freedom that I could see. But I told him I wanted to move to another city where I had a friend that lived there. And there was a little secretarial school I wanted to go to so I could work.
00:32:39
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I had to learn something so I could, I had to support myself. i had nobody. So he got he got me on vocational rehabilitation so I could go to the school, move to this other city.
00:32:50
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But when I got there, and I and i thought in my own craziness, if I went to a new city, I'd feel better. Well, I didn't because now I had this life you know stressor on top of what I was already going through.
00:33:04
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But there there was a psychiatric hospital in town. It was at Upstate Medical Center in new Syracuse, New York. And I decided, well, I'm going to go sign myself in So I went and tried to sign myself in. And the psychiatrist, and I don't remember why, but he told me I couldn't.
00:33:21
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I had to be referred in or something. and and And so I talked to him for a while and he I'll tell you what, he says, we're not allowed to see outpatients, but you come three times a week and I'll talk to you. And I thought, oh, here's somebody that wants to help me. So I went back, talked to him a couple of times, and then he assigned this this guy, Conrad, to me, who was a, I don't think he had more than a bachelor's degree.
00:33:42
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He was a Catholic boy. was he was a faithful Catholic boy. And I would talk to him three times a week and It didn't go anywhere for a couple of weeks. And then finally one day he said to me, I don't think you want help.
00:33:58
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I said, what do you mean? He says, well, you're not, you're not willing to do the work. I said, I don't know what the work is. I don't know what I'm supposed to do He said, you need to open up. I said, I don't know how to open up. He said, you have tell me how you feel.
00:34:09
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I don't know. I didn't know how I felt. He said, then you have to talk to me about what happened. And I said, I could talk to you about what happened. So we began to explore my trauma. And what I discovered was that I was filled with rage and I was filled with hatred for my family, for how they'd forsaken me.
00:34:29
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i was filled with resentment because everybody around me had a life, but mine had been stolen. I was filled with bitterness. I was filled with, oh, you name it, all this negative stuff. And I i saw him three times a week and we We went through all this trauma and all things had happened and I cried and I cried and I cried and I cried for, i don't know, six months, eight months, whatever, and got this out. And the more that I started getting this trauma out of me, and it was like, it was like cutting open a ah wound and letting myself bleed.
00:35:02
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It was a horrible experience, which is, I think part of the reason a lot of people don't get healed because the healing is extremely painful. But finally, as I began to get this trauma out of me and a lot of these emotions out of me, the voices got less and they got less and they got less, but they still attacked, but they didn't have the control. And I began to feel human and I hadn't felt human in years.
00:35:28
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And I began to feel like myself. I hadn't felt like anything other than a blob of flesh that i that I didn't even hardly recognize half the time.
00:35:42
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But I began to feel like me and I'd wake up in the morning and I'd feel kind of good some days. hadn't felt good because when you're schizophrenic, there is no good. There's no good day. There's no good feeling.
00:35:54
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It is negative, negative, negative, fear, paranoia all the time, 24 hours a day, seven days week. So just to have times of feeling good was like, oh my God, I'm alive.
00:36:07
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And I'm, and I realized I'm not, I'm not permanently broken. So I went through that for like six or eight months. And then he said to me, you need to get off the drugs.
00:36:19
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And like, oh, I don't know. What if, what if what's happening is really, cause now the drugs are working. i was scared to death. I thought, I don't want, I don't want to go backwards. i don't want go backwards. And I was still having these attacks, but they were less and less. They were less intense, but they were still there.
00:36:36
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and I couldn't get rid of them. Even though I was feeling better, I couldn't get rid of them. So there was ah there was a charismatic Methodist church down the street from where I lived. And and I used to go there. And then one day this this preacher came in from Philadelphia and she talked. I don't remember about what, but I knew i knew i needed to talk to her.
00:36:53
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So after church, I called one of the elders and said, can I come over and talk to her? And he said, yeah, come on over. So I drove her over talk to her and I started telling her my story. I didn't know that she was very well known in the Christian world. She'd been on a lot of Christian TV stations.
00:37:08
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She was kind of, she had kind of almost I don't know, I wouldn't call it deliverance ministry, but it was similar. And so I started telling my story and then she just looked at me, she said, stop, stop, let me tell you.
00:37:22
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And she said to me, the voices that you hear are demons. And I'm like, what? And she said, but she said, you can get rid of them. And I said, well, how do I do that?
00:37:34
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So she pulled out this little pocket promise book that she had. She said, when they come to you, she said, you tell them I belong to Jesus. i don't belong to you. You have no authority over me.
00:37:45
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And you read them scripture. So I thought, okay. And I was like, I was dumbfounded. It's like, no, it can't be that simple.
00:37:56
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It just can't. It can't be that simple. That's stupid. Totally stupid. But I took her little book and went through, you know, some more time of this torment, whatever. And then I decided, you know what? I got nothing to lose. I'm feeling better.
00:38:09
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If it is, I knew, knew that the Bible, Jesus got rid of demons with people. I knew he cast out demons. And so I knew demons existed, but I didn't like the idea that they were they weren bothering me. That scared the living daylights out of me.
00:38:23
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and But I decided, okay, I'm going to try this. So I was working at the time in a newspaper, and I would sit, and I worked on the copy desk, and I was typing computer code at that time, and these attacks would come. So I'd get up, I'd grab my little book, and I ran to the ladies' room,
00:38:43
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made sure nobody was in there, locked myself in a booth. And I said what she said. I said, I belong to Jesus. You don't have any power authority over me. In Jesus' name, I command you to go. And then I read scripture.
00:38:54
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And the first time I did that, like that, they left. They left. And I'm like, what? I mean, it was like, I went from being schizophrenic to being what I was before I was schizophrenic in 30 seconds.
00:39:10
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And I'm like, what kind of madness is this? So I thought, okay. And then I thought, okay, well, that's it. It's all over. Well, no, wasn't all over. They came back again and they tested me. So i wherever I was, I'd run into a room by myself and I'd say, I belong to Jesus. You no power, no authority over me.
00:39:28
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Get out the name of Jesus and I bring them scripture. And boom, they would leave. And the oppression would leave. And the fear would leave. And the weight, all that weight, that spiritual weight that had been on me like ah like a lead cloak for four years. It would just...
00:39:43
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it would go. it took me probably 20 years to figure out that those voices were demons, you know, working on the front lines. And finally it became undeniable, totally undeniable.
00:39:56
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Sure. Yeah, sure. I'm curious, was that before after ah getting off the psych meds? um I got off, it was right around the same time. And this happened in 1974. So time frame of some of this stuff is iffy it's all around the same time i got off the meds i had to go through i went through a couple of days of withdrawal that was also awful and um i do believe it was before because when i woke up in easter morning and after having gone through a withdrawal for a couple of days when i got up that morning everything was gone the drugs were out of my system the lethargy was gone all that was gone and i was free you know i was free
00:40:42
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and then And then the work began yeah because once you get rid of the the spiritual element, you've still got a heal your heart and heal your soul.
00:40:54
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And that's been a work that I've gone through all my life, which anybody with trauma does. and But those voices have never come back. I've never been schizophrenic since. I've never been on another drug since.
00:41:06
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I just went on to live my life, but I had to learn how to deal. i had a lot. i had a lot of trauma. I mean, a lot of trauma. So i found people along the way that would help me with that and deal with that.
00:41:20
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And so I had less and less and less triggers. And that's that's where psychiatry is way off base, where they're telling patients, you know, you're done. This is a incurable disorder. There's nothing you can do about it except take our toxic drugs.
00:41:37
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I've heard them do that over and over and over again. It's a very debilitating, hopeless message. And it's not true. I mean, Judy sitting in front of you right now is proof positive, along with ah and and you know scores of other schizophrenics I've seen recover from that. It is not an incurable thing, you know, but it does take effort.
00:41:59
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Well, the other thing that's so here's the hard thing. When you're in, the mental health system. They convince you of what you are.
00:42:11
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You're a patient, you're sick, you're broken. When I decided that I was going to get off the drugs, i i made a life decision to totally change my paradigm and to go against everything I've been told was true.
00:42:29
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And I decided I'm going to do that because the more that I would command these things to go and they would go and the freer I got, I got, I started getting bold, you know, and, and, um, but to step out of the mental health system to do something so unorthodox and, and crazy sounding to a lot of people, I'm sure this sounds crazy to a lot of people.
00:42:54
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And to make that decision and to do it was the most difficult decision I ever made, but I decided i wanted to live. I had to decide, am I going to try this to get better or am I going to stay the same? And so I took, I took the risk, you know, and it paid off. And I've never, I've never since then trusted medicine.
00:43:15
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They lied to me. You know, they would have kept me in that hole forever and patted me on the back and told me I was doing a good job because I was taking my meds. Yeah. And poor you. and And what kind of life would I've had? I wouldn't have lasted long leave. I would have I would have been dead within a year or two. and to shut Over and over and over again. Oh, yeah. Just take your meds. Everything will be just take your meds.
00:43:39
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You know, like the meds are the cure for everything. So here you have a spiritual disorder and they're dumping toxic chemicals on your brain. And turning you into a zombie on top of it. And then giving you, oh yeah, this is the only thing there is.
00:43:53
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Well, and I think that these demons, I think they groom people. I think I was groomed from a young age. You know, I'm in a family with two alcoholics. One's a raging alcoholic. The other one's in denial.
00:44:04
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You know, there's fighting going on day and night. Things flying across the house. There's there's so much tension and stress and nobody will talk about it. You know, so you have to hide everything.
00:44:15
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And I think they come along and say, you know, that might be, maybe that's your fault. You know, there's something wrong with you. You know, you're not good enough.
00:44:26
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They don't love you because they fight because you're not good enough. You cause this. And I can see through my life a pattern of this self image being morphed and changed and warped and developed into something that was very negative that could then be just like ripe fruit. I could just be picked.
00:44:47
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Once I got involved with drugs, it was like, you know, there I was. I was just ripe fruit for them and they came for me. Wow. Wow.
00:44:59
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that That narrative shift is quite a powerful thing. And it seems like it's empowering in and of itself, um you know, like that ah decision to to live.
00:45:10
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I think that's absolutely amazing. You know, um what comes to mind, you know, we had Mr. Robert Whitaker on the podcast quite a while ago. Now, now actually, ah Mad in the West or Mad in America is called fame.
00:45:24
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um And, you know, something interesting that came up in that podcast episode was, you know, in the West, we're the only country to prescribe antipsychotics,
00:45:38
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you know, chronically for life rather than just acutely. um Like he mentioned in third world countries, it would just be, you know, you come into the hospital and they give you the antipsychotic medication.
00:45:50
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And then, you know, you'd be on your merry way. And they noticed, you know, in his work, you know, he he He states that the reoccurrence of schizophrenic episodes is much lower as well, ah since we're not chronically suppressing the symptoms.
00:46:06
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I'm really curious about guys' thoughts on that. Yeah, they're only they're only treating symptoms. You know, they're they're like Judy said, the voices will get lower, you know, but they won't go away.
00:46:19
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those Those medicines don't make them go away. They don't cure anything. they had And none of the antidepressants, none of the antipsychotics cure anything. None of their drugs cure anything.
00:46:30
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They're just treating symptoms, you and they're making a fortune doing it. So that I think it's, ah what, 14 point something billion dollars a year they're making on the sale of these antipsychotic drugs that actually shrink your brain with long term use.
00:46:46
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So they're doing neurological damage and they don't ever tell patients that. you know No, betterly there's no informed consent. So when they gave me the drugs, they didn't tell me what all the side effects were. I didn't find that out until I was oh probably seven or eight years later when I was working at Columbia University. And and a psychologist up there said, well, you never had any side effects. You ought to you know you ought to have some terrible side effects because i was on them for four years.
00:47:14
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I said, no, I don't have any. and But they don't tell you that. That's not. I've seen that. It's actually illegal. You've got to give informed and informed consent. consent And they just don't do it.
00:47:27
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You know, they'll tell you maybe the common ones. OK, well, you might get a dry mouth. You may get blurred vision. You know, didda ah it's the most common ones they might mention. But they don't they don't tell you about the neurological damage, the the shaking, the tongue darting, the ah the attack on your peripheral nervous system.
00:47:46
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I mean, these drugs do permanent damage to your neurological system. And it it's not reversible. and And what I saw them do is when that those those symptoms of neurological damage started to show up, they didn't back off those psychiatric drugs. They were another one ah give you cogentin to kind of cover it so you don't feel it while your brain is being rotted out.
00:48:09
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You know these people are unfreaking believable. I mean, if if people knew how deceptive they were, You know, pushed by big pharma, you know.
00:48:21
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But, you know, there's no system in America to have a crisis and then to mitigate and to get help to get through. ah credit it would be fine to have these drugs in a crisis. At the point that I was at, I was so darn crazy and out of my mind.
00:48:36
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I was telling everybody I'm not here because I didn't think I was here. They said to me, where are you? And i'd go I go, I don't know where it is. I was in another dimension in my head. And so for that crisis, yeah, but then where's the plan in America to move somebody then into therapy, to talk to them, to find out what's eating at them?
00:48:57
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Obviously something was eating at me and to help me overcome that. There's no system for that. It's just easier to control the population than it is to see them get well.
00:49:12
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Yeah. you know so So they control the population. they They're not, as a whole, as an industry, they're not interested in health.
00:49:23
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They're not really interested in mental health. They're interested controlling. They don't make any money. They don't make any money with people getting better. Yeah, well, they're interested in controlling, corralling. That's how I felt. I was corralled.
00:49:36
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Yeah. i was I was given these drugs. But you know what? Those drugs, they didn't take any of the fear. They didn't take the paranoia. They didn't help me. All they did was make me feel that I just took an elephant tranquilizer and I walked around as if my feet each weighed 50 pounds and and dragged through the days and could barely think, but it did nothing to lessen this the symptoms other than to make me so drugged out that I just kind of went with it, you know?
00:50:06
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but judy do do do do you ever feel that the psychiatrist ever really understood what was going on with you? No, no. Did they ask you any questions to try to understand what was going on with you?
00:50:22
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No, they they were interested. They were every time I met him, the question was, are you suicidal or homicidal? That was good deal. Because they're liable for that. Because they're liable. That was a big question. how are Are you feeling the same? Are you feeling worse?
00:50:37
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I just got so I lied to him. yeah And that's what that's what they all do. I mean, all the patients on my case would lie to the psychiatrist. Oh, I'd lie to them to the teeth. Because if they told them, yeah, I'm still hearing the voices, they'd up their meds.
00:50:50
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Oh, yeah. They'd turn them more into a zombie. Well, when I first took the pills, I was nearly blind for, I don't know long, two days, three days a week. I don't know. I don't remember. But my eyesight was so blurry that I couldn't focus on anything to walk and go anywhere. i I'd be falling over things. I couldn't see anything.
00:51:08
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And they tell you, oh, that's normal. It'll it'll clear up in a few days. called up the side. Oh, that's fine. It's just a side effect. It'll go away. You have cogentin. It'll it'll go away. and they talk about these side effects like, oh, it's nothing.
00:51:19
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No, these are toxic reactions. These are poison reactions to the poison that they're giving these people. Those drugs are toxic. These aren't just side effects. This is your body suffering from the toxicity of those medications.
00:51:34
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know You know what they don't understand? and this is this breaks my heart. they They don't understand that in front of them, they have a person who's been broken.
00:51:47
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Non-belief. And they've just told that person there's no repair. So what they've done is they've signed their death warrant. Yeah. that They've signed the death of their life.
00:51:57
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They might have signed you know the death of of their day-to-day life. I mean, they might go on living, but their day-to-day life is is over. they They may have signed the death warrant permanently because that person at some point, I mean, at some point, if that had gone on, I would have killed myself because you can't live like that. That torment You know, the Bible says fear hath torment.
00:52:20
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Fear is torment. It is absolute horrible torment. And they don't, as and I had a really nice psychiatrist. He was from Scotland. He had a great accent.
00:52:32
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He really liked me. He was a ah nice guy, but he had no idea that he had signed a death warrant for me with with a a straight face.
00:52:45
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He didn't know what he had what he had done. Yeah, they're brainwashed in medical school. they They don't understand. And I don't know how many of them I've i've heard tell people, you know, their patients, it's it's a life sentence.
00:52:57
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There's no hope. Yeah. Well, and then if you say that you want to get off your pills, that's a new symptom. They go nuts. Yeah. That's a new symptom.
00:53:07
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You know, if you want to get well, that's a new symptom. Yeah. You're being noncompliant. Medicate that to just shut you up. Keep you down. Then they put that in your chart. Noncompliant with medications.
00:53:18
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Oh, yeah. I went back to the mental health center that I've been involved with in college because I wanted to they file on me because I was horrified that I had this file. following me probably the rest of my life. thought it's I thought it's in the system. And I went back.
00:53:32
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Thank God they lost it when they moved. they They could not find a file on me. And I talked to my psychiatrist. I told him I was well. I couldn't tell him how I got well because he would think I was still crazy.
00:53:43
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Yeah. Yeah. They don't believe it. They don't believe anybody gets well. Yeah. If I told him that I, you know, id I, he would have understood getting rid of trauma. But he wouldn't have understood that part about demons. And would have thought, well, she didn't get well.
00:53:56
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She's as crazy as she was. She's just more clever now. you know And when I was working in the prison and and the prisoners started recovering from schizophrenia yeah and saying, OK, I want to go off my my medicine instead of going, hey, what what's what's going on? let's Let's get more of this going.
00:54:14
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No, they went after me. They were upset. they were there They were angry that these people were getting better. And it shocked me. I'm like, well, what's going on with these people? They don't want these prisoners. to Those meds are expensive.
00:54:29
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You know, it was saving them money. No, they they went after me. They put me under investigation, started asking the patient, well, what's he doing with you? I couldn't, you know, I couldn't tell them anything.
00:54:40
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They wouldn't believe anything. And I would have been in trouble, more trouble than I was in with them recovering. They didn't want those people recovering. You know, symbolically, you see the whole like god psychiatric system itself acts very similarly to the demons, to the voices, to the parasites, um the mental parasites. You know, they're preying upon...
00:55:07
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ah broken people. They're not hearing them out. They're telling, they're giving them the life sentence. Like you guys are mentioning, you know, you're broken forever. You're, you know, you're, you're broken forever. What a, there's nothing worse that can be said to an individual. These antidepressants that one of the, one of the side effects listed is suicidal ideation.
00:55:27
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So they're given depressed people medications. And and a lot of times these are these mass murderers that are on those drugs. they go out and they shoot a bunch of people and they're they're on antidepressants.
00:55:40
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Those antidepressants aren't making anybody and any better either. None of their drugs are curing anybody. They don't want cures. They want to keep endlessly treating symptoms.
00:55:51
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That's where they make their money. Well, they don't recognize anything spiritual. Yes. but They don't recognize anything spiritual. Yeah, i had trauma. That's physical. It's emotional.
00:56:01
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It was real. It was identifiable. But I think most people now believe there is a spiritual world, that there is good and there is evil, especially since COVID. More and more people waking up to, what's going on?
00:56:16
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What's happening in the world? Why is the world going so crazy? Well, because there's evil influences in the world. But psychiatrists and doctors, they don't believe in any of that stuff. You talk spiritual stuff to them and they're like, you know, yeah like that.
00:56:31
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But it exists. It exists. I deal, and Jerry, you deal with people. I deal with people that I counsel who come to me who who are struggling with darkness.
00:56:42
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And it doesn't take but a prayer to command it to go that it goes. Or they're struggling with guilt. Or they're struggling with shame. Or their they're struggling with something. and And I can just, in Jesus' name, command it to go.
00:56:56
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and it goes. And people are like, how'd you do that? you know And I'm like, because it's spiritual. That's right. It's spiritual. And usually there's something emotional under it and then you have to deal with the emotional stuff.
00:57:06
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But that oppression, that darkness, that overwhelming sense of that something is terribly wrong with you or you did something really bad or your life is horrible.
00:57:21
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they they They feed on that stuff. If you've got any kind of weakness, they come and they feed and they feed and they feed it. And it grows bigger and it grows bigger. They're parasites. And we're spiritual beings.
00:57:32
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know, I went through eight years of higher education, b a BA in psychology, a master's degree so and counseling, a PhD, part of it, two years of PhD.
00:57:43
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Nothing spiritual. it was It was spiritually dry like the Gobi Desert. Never mentioned anything spiritual. And we're spiritual beings. You know, we're energetic beings. I mean, your thoughts are energy.
00:57:56
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Your spirit is energy. Your feelings are energy. Your memories, everything's energy. And here's psychiatry dumping toxic drugs on your brain. yeah Yeah.
00:58:08
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Disconnect the receiver. You know, it's no wonder that we're the most... um a spiritual that we've ever been as human beings. And we're also the most diseased and ill people. And we've strayed so far from our path and from meaning and purpose, you know, and, and as a population, we like that, um you know, there's, there's, it's a very obvious connection.
00:58:34
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And I'm really glad that you guys brought it up. Is there anything ah before we wrap up here that we should leave the the listener with today? Well, I just kind of want to mention Judy and I are both MACE therapists. So and like Judy said, after the voices are gone, you still have that damage that needs to be fixed emotionally.
00:58:56
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And after 45 years on the front line of of mental health, Judy and I are both MACE therapists. This is a cutting edge,
00:59:08
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energetic psychotherapy that can get rid of trauma, deep trauma, from like like Judy was talking about, in an hour. It's gone, you know, and it it doesn't come back. it's a permanent cure.
00:59:25
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Yeah, and I've seen with people, you know, that come and and have, you know, terrible trauma and and strong, strong native emotions, And after an hour, they're like, it's gone.
00:59:40
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Yep. They can feel it. It's gone. And it actually, actually works. it It cures trauma for the most part. And it does it very quickly.
00:59:50
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And it does it permanently. so front No drugs, no drugs involved. It gets rid of triggers so that the next time something happens, you don't trigger because that emotional, trauma is gone.
01:00:01
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Yeah, because that ah you know that emotional trauma is like a big black ball of gunk. It's a sick piece inside you. And you get triggered and that ball goes, spills. It's like a landmine. It spills, but it takes the trigger. So it takes the trauma.
01:00:19
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And then, you know, something happens and you're like, oh Oh, okay. Well, I had had a woman that i that I worked with who who had a ah family member who just triggered her like crazy.
01:00:32
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And we did a May session on just turn this person triggering her. And then I asked her a couple of weeks later, how are you doing? She says, well, it's really weird. She says, I went to ah to a holiday gathering.
01:00:43
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And this person did what they did. And usually I get triggered and I'm off for two weeks. and My husband's like, you know, do you have to be talking about her constantly? She says, because it drives me crazy. And she's the person did her normal thing to trigger me. And she said, and I looked at her i said, well, okay, that's, that's fine.
01:00:59
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And walked away. And she says, my husband sat there and looked at and went, what happened to you? and she said, well, I did a May session on it and I, there's nothing to react with in me anymore to her. So she doesn't affect me anymore.
01:01:15
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And she was shocked. She was shocked. She was like, wow, I didn't expect that. And that was, that was a big deal in her life. Yep. I've seen that time after time, after time. ah I've never seen anything work as well as this method. It's, it's a cutting edge, new psychotherapy deals with energy.
01:01:32
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So like we were saying, your thoughts are energy. Your spirit is energy. Your feelings are energy. Your memory is energy. Everything is energy. And what, What Mace does, it goes after that negative energy that pulls up from trauma and it gets rid of it. And when when it's gone, the trigger is gone also.
01:01:51
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so So you're no longer set off by the same things that set you off before. And it happens very quickly. And it's not a talk therapy. You know, the therapist doesn't have to know anything about the trauma, except where it happens. Yeah.
01:02:07
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tell Tell me a little bit more about the the process of of MACE therapy for the listeners. Well, what happens is in ah in a trauma, two things happen. You have a very bad feeling, okay?
01:02:19
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And then you have a decision that you made about your part that you paid you played in that trauma, okay? Now, you make that decision while you're in the midst of a trauma and decisions you make when you're in a traumatic state It's not good. Not good. They're bad.
01:02:38
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Okay. So the most common one is, well, you're worthless. This bad thing happened. So you must be worthless because of whatever happened there. So they go through their entire life.
01:02:50
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You know, what what happens is yeah that pain stays there for a long time. And then the ego finally shows up and goes, this isn't working. You can't function like this. It's interfering with your functioning. It's interfering with your survival.
01:03:02
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It takes it and it throws it into your subconscious mind and then locks it down. but it's still alive. It's buried. You no longer feel it. You no longer think about it. But like ah Judy was saying, you now have a trigger.
01:03:16
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You know, anybody who shows up who treats you like that person who traumatized you, that thing triggers. It goes off like a landmine. It's just sitting there and waiting like a mine for somebody to step on it.
01:03:30
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Once they do, that thing explodes. And the ego says, it's not you, it's them out there. It's that person out there. you know Get rid of them, attack them, run from them or avoid them.
01:03:42
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It's not happening out there. It's happening in the person's mind. So they attack that person, the person goes away and then they feel them better. The thing is, those kinds of people keep coming up.
01:03:52
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Yes, they do. Keep showing up. So it's like the person you hate that just keeps showing up no matter where you go. That's that that trauma in their marriage. And what Mace does, it goes in there, and it it finds it, it identifies it, and then it drains it. It drains that negative emotional energy.
01:04:11
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Okay, so it creates a, like a ah pipeline from that pool of negative emotion to the spirit. And the spirit takes it, and that's a person's spirit, and it transmutes that energy into a positive potential.
01:04:26
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So it drains it. It's no longer there. And then you ask the person after you're done, you know, OK, convince me you're worthless. And they go, well, well I can't. yeah can And that's in less than an hour.
01:04:38
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It's gone. Something that has plagued them their entire life for decades is gone. and And it's a it's a procedure you go through and you guide them through the procedure to bring these emotions, to get into that negative identity.
01:04:52
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These emotions, once you get in that negative identity and focus on those, that negative that you feel, those emotions will come up. They will bubble up. It's amazing how they do. Yep, quickly.
01:05:03
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It's almost like the body and the and the and the heart wants to get rid of this garbage because it naturally comes up. It's toxic. And then you you can clear it through a procedure that It's very simple.
01:05:15
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and what's interesting about it is the therapist doesn't need to know what happened. They don't need to know who did it. They don't need to know what happened. They don't need to know when it happened.
01:05:26
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All they need to know is where it happened. That's it. So people who were sexually abused or or did something that they're shamed of, they don't need to they don't need to bring it up.
01:05:37
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It works anyway. You know, there's been lots of clients where I finish up with them. They're feeling better. That negative identity is gone. They they're feeling of worthlessness is gone or shame or whatever it was. but And I have no idea what really happened to them.
01:05:52
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So they don't have to talk about it. So it's not a talk therapy. It's a cutting edge energetic therapy. amazing and I have information on it on my website at jerrymarzynski.com.
01:06:04
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Judy probably has information about it on her website. Judy Gregerson at gmail.com, was it her? ah Oh, my email is JudyLGregerson at gmail.com. But my website is strategiesforovercomers.com. And it tells about MACE and tells little bit about what Jerry and I do and amazing and explains it in more detail.
01:06:26
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It can be hard for people at first to grasp because people used to... And when people come to us, some of them, they just want tell and tell you and tell you. It's like, we don't need to know. that we just need to know what you feel.
01:06:37
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yeah just just It's hard for them to believe that... If they can't spew all this stuff out, yeah then it's it's not going to work. Yeah. Because i been a lot of people have been in talk therapy for years and they' they've reached the point nothing's helped them.
01:06:50
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And it's not a talk therapy. And they're basically trained in talk therapy. So you have to yeah get them out of that mode into just feeling. It's much more effective than a talk therapy.
01:07:01
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Like Judy said, it they she had to go through years of talk therapy you know before something happened. This is in an hour. It's gone. Well, yeah, I'll give you an example. my My husband has a very mild case of cerebral palsy, but he falls at least once a month on his face.
01:07:17
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And he fell so bad in the last couple of years that he tore the tendon off his arm and did some real damage to himself. But when he would fall, he'd get so upset and so embarrassed that he would just scream out and pound the ground.
01:07:30
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it it would just um It would just unwind him. He's been through this since he was a kid. It was horrible for him. and I said, well, let's do a May session just on how you feel about falling. And he said, okay.
01:07:41
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So we did it. And time went on. A couple weeks later, i hear a thud in the garage. And I'm like, did you fall? And he goes, yeah, I fell. I said, you didn't scream. he goes, wow, I didn't scream.
01:07:55
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I didn't pound the ground. And he goes, and I really feel okay other than my body hurts because I fell. It was all gone. And he went through a lifetime of that embarrassment and that anger at falling and people seeing him falling. It was really hard for him to have people watch him fall on his face.
01:08:13
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And it's gone. It's completely gone. And we've had some success with yeah mild schizophrenics. I mean, being able to get rid of the voices.
01:08:25
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you know It's not 100 percent. And the severe cases, I've found it doesn't work real well with with severe cases. But with mild cases, we've had success and other therapists have had success, MACE therapists with getting rid of the voices. Interesting.
01:08:40
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Very interesting. Yeah. not at all Go ahead. I had a client client who had a traumatic brain injury and as a result of that had tremendous amount of trauma because it just, it turned her life upside down she's young.
01:08:56
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And so she felt a constant slapping of her face. She's been feeling it for four years. I said, well, let's do a May session on that. Maybe it's just energy that your body is negative energy from whatever trauma you got.
01:09:08
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Let's let's discreate it. So we did a session. It stopped after four years. And I just checked with her today and hasn't come back. It's gone.
01:09:18
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Yeah, it's ah it's really interesting and it resonates a lot. You know, I'm trained in EMDR, eye movement desensitization reprocessing. And so, you know, when I've studied that, you know, trying to distill it down to the basic components of like what's going on, right? And getting to that energetic component that, you know, negative cognition, they call it, um that negative self-belief and trying to work with that and the feeling.
01:09:40
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um you know, everything just really resonates, especially the fact that, you know, the cyclical nature of life to how it kind of the same story keeps coming over and over. It's like, you know, when you're when you're chatting with people, you're like, it doesn't make any good sense. Like, there's no way it's a coincidence that one person who experienced this in childhood experienced the same thing, just a different story, like 20 times in their life.
01:10:06
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You know, there's no way that that's a coincidence. You know, that's the design. That's the, the, the, you know, the absolute um definitive, you know, for me, at least like there is an intelligent design to the journey that one goes through to try to overcome these, these traumas that occur, right? Like there's no way that it's coincidence that it keeps happening over and over and over again. And they attract it. And what's interesting with Mesa is once you get to the base one and get rid of the base one, all the rest just disappear like dominoes.
01:10:40
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It's like pushing that first domino and it's going boom, boom, boom, boom. boom All the ones that are similar to that all disappear also. yeah They're all gone. Yeah. Get to the root cause. It's interesting how that worked. I did mace with someone. They said, well, i want to deal with this, this, this, this. I said, let me do this.
01:10:57
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Let me just do the basics of mace with you. And then when we're done with that, we'll see if it took care of all this. And we went down the list. It took care of every single thing without specifically doing mace for those specific things because they were a part of these negative identities and the trauma and that we captured.
01:11:15
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you know, early on in doing this. So it's amazing when it does. Wow. And it's permanent.
01:11:23
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Yeah. I love it. That's great. Something to learn a little bit more about. Listen, Judy and Jerry, I really do appreciate both your time today. This has been ah an enlightening conversation. i know the the listener will definitely benefit from this and and just thank you both for your time and and your wonderful insight.
01:11:40
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and Thanks for having us. Thanks so much. Of course. All right, and I want to thank you all for listening to the episode. Before wrap things up, you should all know that this is for informational purposes only.
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