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Beyond Terrain: Welcome everybody to another episode of the Beyond Train podcast. I'm your host, Leo Daldin. If you're new around here, consider subscribing, following the show. And if you like the show, give us a review or comment, something like that to help us grow, help it to wear it out a little more. And sharing is always the best way, of course. So we got a great guest back on today. This guy was actually our first guest we ever had on the podcast, which I think is really cool. And we finally got him back probably long overdue. We have been chatting a little bit. I went on a couple of lives with him there and, uh,
Beyond Terrain: just conversing back and forth. So I'm just looking forward to catch up and um you I think yeah this gentleman has has a lot of lot of insightful things to say about a lot of topics, right? So we could probably take this so many different directions, but yeah, just just eager to hear more more from you, Wes. Thank you for coming on and appreciate your time.
Wes: Always a pleasure, man, anytime.
Beyond Terrain: on Yeah. So, I mean, you know, I know you've been, you've been busy, busy. Uh, you got a new kid around and, uh, I'd love to hear a little bit about that. A little bit about your journey, man, like you and your wife's journey on, on, on the whole pregnancy and birth and, and everything like that. So maybe I can just let you kind of take her away and, and we can maybe dissect a bit and get a little deeper.
Wes: Sure, yeah. um So yeah, I got a one year old son. I just turned one on December 26. And yeah, we've been raising him, you know, basically as naturally and holistically as you possibly can, you know, starting with before conception, really, you know, it starts kind of before that, but So yeah, me and my wife, we met through my channel. So we already had a bunch of things in common when it comes to diet and just medical beliefs and just everything. We had this like very solid foundation and to build a family, basically. so
Wes: We ended up getting married and shortly thereafter she was pregnant and then we had our son. um But you know, during, I guess you could say before the pregnancy, I was on the raw meat diet, raw milk, raw raw meat, raw organs, raw everything.
Wes: for like four and a half years. And, um, which I think is, is just as important as the woman, if if not more, I mean, we don't know, but I know it's just as important for the man to be on a healthy diet, you know, to produce a healthy sperm and et cetera. Um, she was also on, uh, basically eating raw meat for a good, I think a year or two before we even conceived.
Wes: And she had been drinking raw milk for years before that. And so she'd kind of already been on the organic train or whatever. Um, so anyways, yeah, we have obviously no issues with conception.
Wes: Basically the first time we tried, I'm pretty sure she got pregnant. So that was pretty amazing. And, um, yeah.
Beyond Terrain: and inside.
Wes: And, um, And pregnancy went, went really good. I mean, there was obviously some minor things that came up along the way. That's pretty normal, pretty typical. I mean, it's a, it's a pretty wild thing that happens in the woman's body there. So there's going to be some things moving around and stretching out and just your body's trying to shape itself to fit, fit this baby. And, you know, it can be a bit uncomfortable at times and, you know,
Wes: you know There was some minor issues with achiness and um some restless leg stuff going on, and and which we may have tied in recently. We may have made the connection with low salt or low sodium, but we can get back to that later.
Beyond Terrain: Mhm.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: But anyways, for the most part, um yeah, the pregnancy went went really good, man. She was eating raw meat the whole time every day. And you know outside of a cooked meal,
Wes: once every week or two. you know We were just strictly raw meat in our house, and but she had a really balanced diet going on with the raw meat, raw milk, you know raw cheese, raw butter, ah fruits.
Beyond Terrain: Wow.
Wes: She's making little smoothies and you know, just a little bit of everything here and there. I gave her a lot of fish eggs because I know Weston Price talked a lot about fish eggs. Um so I gave her as much fish eggs as possible. We ate sushi and I just tried. I just loaded her up with nutrients man and
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: And, you know, came time to the birth and it was a long labor. It was about three days. And we did it all at home. What's called a free birth. So we had no midwife, no doctor. We just had someone on call, which is called a birth keeper. So we had a birth keeper sort of coach us through what to expect. And she had been she had been through a lot of deliveries and and baby births.
Wes: So she kind of helped us out and she was there on call if we ever needed anything. um But anyways, we did most of it on our own up until like, we were three days in, we were both super sleep deprived.
Wes: And we were actually both sick at the same time.
Beyond Terrain: yeah Wow.
Wes: So it was a wild, ah it was a wild three days, man. We were we brought we were in a different dimension. It was it was something else. um But yeah, she was ah intense labor, intense pain, really really, really, really painful.
Wes: And we got to the point to where it wasn't You know, the kid wasn't coming and we just didn't know where we were at. We didn't know what was going on. We didn't know where we're at. She started getting worried. And so then we called the birth keeper and she came over and she assured us everything was fine. We were just getting to the end basically, which is the hardest part.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: um Glad we didn't give up because i had I had my truck warmed up, man. We were ready to go to the hospital and the birth keeper showed up like superwoman and rolled up there and just sort of, she almost just sort of laughed because she was just like, you're fine.
Beyond Terrain: Well.
Wes: She was like, you're fine. There's nothing to worry about. Everything is fine. And she she relaxed my wife down and within 30 minutes she had broke her water and had the baby.
Wes: And that went great. That was mind -blowing, life -changing experience. and And then we, let's see. And then she immediately put him on her breast and he latched onto her breast. And then we had a bunch of cleanup. She lost quite a bit of blood. That was the second scary part.
Wes: um that was That was actually the only time I actually got a little bit nervous because she lost a lot of blood and she got a little bit, a little pale. and But she immediately said, give me some liver, give me some liver. So our birth keeper went downstairs and was rummaging through our fridge and she brought up a jar and she's like, is this this liver? And we're like, yeah. And she grabbed it and just ripped into it like it was the most primal thing I've ever seen in my life, dude, like this woman,
Beyond Terrain: That's so cool.
Wes: blood everywhere, baby attached to her and just ripping into this liver like it was gonna bring her back to life. you know And it did, it worked. She started getting you know her color back and everything was starting to come back and it was great.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: And so that was cool. And then we shortly after that, um birth the placenta, I think the birth keeper helped out with that too to kind of just get us positioned right and just kind of show us how to do it.
Wes: you know And then I cut the umbilical cord shortly, a short while after that, later on in the day. I can't remember how long we waited. I think we waited quite a few hours before we cut the cord.
Wes: And, uh, yeah, so that was the birth man. And, um, ever since we've had him, we've been at four and a half months, we started him on raw meat, but he's just basically only eaten his mom's of milk and raw meat.
Beyond Terrain: That's cool.
Wes: and And we're also doing, you know, like, uh, He's sleeping in the bed with us and he never leaves his mom's side. And there's there's all sorts of stuff we're doing alongside of that.
Wes: I don't know if you got any questions, but a lot of stuff to go into if you want to.
Beyond Terrain: That's cool. Yeah. Well, like it's such a ah beautifully sacred, thing. and And I love that you mentioned a birth keeper. Like, I think that's such a cool, like, that's, that's great language, right?
Beyond Terrain: Because it's keeping this, this sacred tradition alive, right? It's something that has kind of been a little bit lost, right? Like, you know, not, not knowing what to do. Like, I feel like it's such a confusing field now.
Beyond Terrain: Like, I mean, it's like health in general, it's like, where, like, where do you get the good information? How do you know what's true? What do you know, what's good? Like, so, so stuff like that.
Wes: yeah
Beyond Terrain: But, um you know, And I'm sure you would agree with this, but I mean, looking back on our ancestors, looking what like you were mentioned, West and eight price, um, stuff like that, ideal diets, like ideal practices.
Beyond Terrain: But again, it's very individual. It's very, um, you know, magical thing. It's magic, man. It's, you know, when you think about it too much, you're like, wow, that's, that's pretty insane.
Wes: There.
Wes: Mm -hmm.
Beyond Terrain: Um, that's so cool.
Wes: Mm -hmm.
Beyond Terrain: Your, your wife ate raw animal foods and and didn't get listeria when she was pregnant.
Wes: No, she didn't. No, I mean, not that we're aware of.
Beyond Terrain: Oh my goodness.
Wes: Maybe she's got it and there's just no symptoms.
Beyond Terrain: Wow. No hysteria.
Beyond Terrain: No E. coli, anything like that. That just wiped you out completely or.
Wes: Well, she's got all of it, but it's asymptomatic.
Beyond Terrain: Oh, it's all asymptomatic. Oh, okay. Good. Okay. That's all right.
Wes: and but Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Then she got the good kind.
Beyond Terrain: Unreal. Yeah. No, it's, it's, uh, it's amazing. I was reading a lot of those studies recently. You know, obviously there's just a complete lack of, of contagion studies of like introducing isolated species into individuals.
Wes: yeah
Beyond Terrain: Um, you know, and, and even the studies, what I was reading some on Listeria in raw milk and you know, the, the methods was quite interesting using these studies to determine how much Listeria is in raw milk.
Beyond Terrain: First of all, they go to like these huge conventional dairy farms that are like pumping up their cows with antibiotics, right? Which should combat the Listeria, right? You would think.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Pumping them up with all this they're vaccinated and then they're doing all this this great modern stuff, right and They just go right to the to the holding tanks and they take a scoop of milk out and they test that right like they go to these huge old things You know, they don't know what like the quality of the milk, right?
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Like the fella I get my milk from he hand milks his cows He knows the quality of the milk as soon as it's coming out because he sees it, you know, but they strap these
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: machines on and you can't tell what, like there could be like a bunch of possum shit going into these holding things. So you have no clue the health of the cats first of all. So that's, that's, that's the methods. They just go to these huge conventional cattle farm and they take it ah and it's still only like 11, it was like 11 % of Romul contain Listeria.
Beyond Terrain: You know, like that's what, that's what these studies were yield in, which I thought was really interesting that it was still kind of that low, but also that it was that high because you know,
Wes: yeah
Wes: yeah
Beyond Terrain: They're all going to be on antibiotics at some point, and they're all supposed to be, you know, immunized from these things too.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Right. So, um, Yeah.
Wes: When everybody's going to interpret that, they're going to read that and they're going to go, Oh, raw milk has Listeria. That's what they're going to take from that. And so now they just run around just repeating that raw milk has Listeria. Did you know that?
Beyond Terrain: yeah Let's do a control of like a small Amish farm that hand milks their cows. I'd love to know like what percentage of those ah like what of that milk would have listeria in it. right and like The other point that you know I kind of looked into was that listeria is, the other huge chunk of literature on listeria is that it bowerim mediates cadmium, heavy metal. right Um, so, you know, obviously there's likely some sort of underlying toxicity going on in these, in this milk and these holding tanks, whatever.
Wes: sure.
Beyond Terrain: Um, but yeah, I mean, I just thought and that was an interesting point to bring up there. I just could have kind of been reading about it lately.
Wes: Mm -hmm.
Beyond Terrain: And I mean, that's the big worry, right? Like you're not supposed to eat anything raw. You're supposed to just.
Wes: man, I just, it just, I'm so deep into this right now that like, I'll sometimes just be so surprised that like, there's this, that that guy on Instagram, I think his name is Dr. Adrian Chavez or something.
Wes: And he's making a bunch of videos, poking fun at Paul Teledino, drinking raw, drinking raw milk, you know?
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. yeah
Wes: And he's just like, this guy's an idiot. You know, like this guy's an idiot. I can't believe he's drinking raw milk. And he's a doctor. And I'm just like, dude, it's just, It blows my mind. So I started making a couple of videos poking fun at him too. You know, I'm just like, these guys are, I don't know if they're just low IQ or what, but they're highly educated. and You know what I mean? But they're I think they're just kind of either low IQ or they're just, they're just so, they're not really just a, they don't have like a free thinking cell in their brain.
Wes: you know
Beyond Terrain: I think it's like a big disconnection to just nature, man. Like, if you think about it at all, it's like, it's nonsense that you can't eat raw foods, right?
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: It's like every single animal, every, you know, primitive tribe, every, you know, even like, it just, it doesn't make any sense to me at this point to say that it's it's harmful.
Wes: I don't get it.
Beyond Terrain: I mean, you know, you could like argue that eating conventional conventionally raised. And I think this is kind of interesting. I'd maybe like to hear your thoughts on it. But you know, eating like conventionally raised meat raw might lead to, you know, worse in symptoms than if you eat a cooked. The only reason I would say that there's worse in symptoms is because, you know, with the cook, it's not like you're not getting the, the toxicity.
Beyond Terrain: It's just that it's suppressed, like the symptoms are almost suppressed when you cook it, right? Like that that cooking, that pasteurization effect, it just cuts off the communication of your body with what you're eating, right?
Wes: Yeah.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: So if you're eating conventional, like conventionally raised meat, and it's full of toxicity, and then maybe there's a bunch of bacteria in response to all this toxicity, you eat it.
Wes: Right. Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Maybe that bacteria is there to signal your body that you need to throw up and you need shit. Like you got to get that out of your system and not absorb any of it, right?
Wes: Right, right.
Beyond Terrain: But when you cook it, you don't get that response from your body, right?
Wes: Right, right, right.
Beyond Terrain: Like you don't get them.
Wes: It's a signal to be like, maybe you shouldn't eat this from this source anymore.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: you know so But yeah, other people are just masking it with cooking it and seasoning it up.
Beyond Terrain: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Wes: and and Um, but yeah, there is something to cook in it for sure. There is, I think it does, it possibly does kill, kill the bacteria that would make you feel, feel bad. Um, because, you know, I had the one incidence in my whole, in my whole life actually, that I got food poisoning and it was from raw venison.
Wes: And it was from a guy that I know that hunted it. He hunted it on local land, et cetera, et cetera. And I suspect it was the way that he handled it after he dressed it in the field. Because I think he left it in his truck for a couple of days before we actually cut it up.
Beyond Terrain: Sure.
Wes: And so I don't know if something happened in those couple of days or whatever, but ah I got violently ill for like six hours, ah two times actually. i I had the balls to go back and eat it again.
Beyond Terrain: I'm so fissure curious, man.
Wes: because I was so curious. I was like, is this going to happen again? Was this food poisoning or was this just like a heavy detox from eating a wild game? you know like My body had never seen wild game before and it just cleaned me out. No, it was food poisoning because it happened again, vomiting diarrhea for six hours and then buying the next day. Well, he he never said anything about it. This guy brought it home and froze it and cooked it and did all this stuff with it and he never got sick.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Wes: Same meet, you know?
Beyond Terrain: Yeah, that's so interesting. I know the the whole I've heard you tell that story before and I've thought about it a lot, right? And like, yeah, man, like it's something to it's it's such an interesting thing.
Beyond Terrain: or And there's something there. like there's something there with the wild game right there like yeah i don't know it's it's a great great thing to think about and um i know like here like here there's a lot of of you know deer around but it's also eating a lot of the you know shit in our garbage or whatever like it's eating it's grazing our land that's you know i was looking at my i was looking at my house this morning and we have like an oil burning furnace and coming out the
Wes: It is, man.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: top of my house was just a bunch of smoke and all I could think was, you know, that's full of heavy metals, right? Because you're burning oil, there's heavy metals in that.
Wes: Yeah. Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: And like, that's going into my land around here. And like, we're out kind of in the country and there's lots of deer and lots of people hunting deer around here. All these houses are putting out heavy metals into the soil near us too, right?
Wes: Mm -hmm.
Beyond Terrain: So like, even the wild game, I mean, is going to have access to that. So that's kind of a thought that's kind of been going through my mind
Wes: It is.
Wes: And I'm with you on that. That was that was my first you know being a on board with terrain theory. That was my first thought was, oh man, these these deer are just grazing like GMO crops and and glyphosate sprayed corn.
Wes: Because we have that everywhere around here, man, everywhere.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: I'm right in dead center glyphosate country. So I'm thinking like, oh, OK, these deer are just eating you know chemicals all day.
Beyond Terrain: true
Wes: And that's what made me... but i'm like I don't think that would have given me that violent of a reaction. I just think that would have been more subtle if it had like some chemicals in it.
Beyond Terrain: yeah
Beyond Terrain: there hurt
Wes: This was like straight up like E.
Beyond Terrain: Wow.
Wes: coli or something. Like it was it was pretty it was intense.
Beyond Terrain: Wow.
Wes: So ah yeah, the only time it ever happened in my life. So very interesting. but hu
Beyond Terrain: So have you had Rob venison since or?
Wes: Um, I can't remember possibly. Yeah, possibly. I think I might have, but, uh, to be honest, man, and I'm not a big fan of it. It's not my favorite meat.
Beyond Terrain: True. Okay.
Wes: So I just, you know, I have, I have a bow downstairs. I was all ready to go hunting and everything. And then that happened and I was like, Oh man, maybe this is a sign. And I started thinking about it and I was like, it's not even that good.
Beyond Terrain: It's worth it. yeah You don't get any fat from it either, right?
Wes: Not really that great. No, no, it's super lean. it's It's not even that great. I i prefer beef big time. Um, they're definitely not easy to haunt.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: That's a lot of work for a little bit of meat. That's not even that great. So it's just like, whatever.
Beyond Terrain: True.
Wes: I think elk is a heck of a lot better.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Elk or moose or stuff like that would be really good.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Yeah.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: True. That's cool. So you said your son was he at four months was already starting to eat some some raw meat and stuff like that?
Wes: Yeah. Yeah. Four and a half months we, we started introducing it. Uh, we know most people I think shoot for six or at least that's what, that's the mainstream, right? But we're obviously never listening to mainstream and we decided to push it ahead a couple more months. Who thought he might've been ready? Um, and he, he took it. He liked it. He loved it. And he got these like big energy bursts from it, which was really cool to see. Um, it just, you know, it was like watching a little primal baby.
Wes: Uh, but it might've been a little bit early. I'm not really sure how to, how to gauge that, but we decided, I said, let's take like a few weeks off and let's reintroduce it here in a few weeks and just see what happens.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: And so that's what we did. We fed him for a couple of weeks and then we stopped and then we started back up again about five and a half months or six months or so. And yeah, ever since then, he he's taken it down great. He's eaten everything. He was really into the organs. He was really into liver and spleen for a while. um And now he doesn't like red meat at all. So it's very interesting watching watching his food preferences sort of evolve.
Wes: Um, I don't know if we just loaded him up on B vitamins and he's like i'm i'm good i'm good on that for a while But he's ill eat chicken. So we're feeding him raw chicken every day with like some sweet potatoes And we just recently introduced uh raw cream raw butter and raw honey.
Wes: So we're starting to make him some milkshakes now because uh, i'm like we were feeding him like a sweet potato every day and not a whole one obviously but
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: And I'm just like, we got to get some variety in there. So I wanted to push off introducing cow dairy as long as possible. Cause he's already getting dairy from his mom, but I just was like, you know what?
Wes: He's one. It's time to start getting some variety in there. I'll just give him some, some raw cow dairy. So that's working right now for for us.
Beyond Terrain: true. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's super cool, man. Yeah, that's really good. Like, what do you thought like, what do you think about like, you mentioned introducing variety, I'm really curious about your thoughts on that. Like, I know, like, I know, like, you tend to eat like mono meals, like kind of one food, like one, you know, ingredient, right at a time, you know, so like, introducing like different foods every day, or like, you know, kind of mixing things up together, how do you kind of approach that?
Wes: yeah Yeah, we're I mean, we're figuring it out as we go here. um she's She's doing most of the feeding with him right now. I mean, she does she's doing everything with him, basically, you know because he's a baby.
Wes: you know um until he gets a little bit older and I can start you know offering some help. But right now he just needs his mom all the time. So she's doing most of the feeding. um But I ah obviously offer my insights into things when she asks me questions and stuff. and and We decided that, so in the morning, like he'll have just raw egg yolks.
Wes: Um, we found that like he does better with the yolks over the white.
Beyond Terrain: Okay.
Wes: I think that's a West than a price recommendation. So we're loosely following odds and this is advice along with Western price and kind of mixing things up together. Um, because they, there's a lot of overlap there, but, um, we do it raw egg yolks in the morning for breakfast.
Wes: And then we started mixing in a little bit of cream with that, like cream and honey with that. So. It's sort of like a little baby milkshake. And then, yeah, I think we're just gonna try to like, cause we tried to make like a milkshake by itself separately the other day and get him to like drink it and he just didn't want it.
Wes: So we're gonna we're gonna try to just like inoculate him slowly with certain foods.
Beyond Terrain: True.
Wes: And man and then, yeah, get him to eat it eventually.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Yeah. What I like about you is you're not like dogmatic in any way. Like find a lot of the raw primal guys tend to like really follow edge. Uh, just really, really like felt like in a way. Right. But, uh, um, I like what, like how you kind of are testing things out. You're kind of like.
Beyond Terrain: you know, incorporate in different ways of thinking together and, and just coming to back to like, what you think right in your own intuition and your wife's intuition and stuff like that and kind of trust in what's best for you and your situation.
Wes: yeah
Beyond Terrain: So I do really like that. um
Wes: That's all you can do, man. like You got to run these experiments for yourself. And a lot of people aren't doing that. It's like my whole the last six years on social media has been an experiment, total experiment for me. you know And it's turned out great so far. I mean, I got a family out of it, so it's been great. But a lot of people you just find, and I'm guilty of it too, man. Don't don't get me wrong. I'm guilty of this. I've done this so many times, and I still do it. You just repeat stuff that you read online.
Wes: And you've never done the experiment yourself. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like everybody does that. Like everybody who thinks they're like a scientist and they just read a paper and all of a sudden they're a scientist. And it's like, you want to believe what you read. Um, but how do you know for sure? But then there's like the elements of, does it ring true? Right? Like we have that like thing inside of us that like recognizes truth when we see it. And that's a hard thing to, to measure, you know, and that's a hard thing to prove.
Wes: But it's like, hey man, I read this thing and it rings true. And that's like what led me to the raw meat diet. Cause like I heard audience talk about it and I heard him talk about bacteria and parasites. And it just like, it was like a light bulb went off in my head. I was like, oh my gosh, that was like, that's the truth. And I heard it for the first time today and I just never went back on it. So, I mean, you know, but most people like the scientific people will be like, that's not, that's not scientific, you know?
Wes: can't just go off what you think is true. But I'm like, well, what did we do before science? Like, you know, if you believe in God or creator, like he gave us the ability to so to recognize truth and to recognize lies. You know, so I don't know, man, I just think that ah we got to experiment for ourselves. And that's what I try to do. And I try to keep breaking the rules because I'm obviously not a rules guy. So I'll set strict guidelines and then I'll break them and I'll see what happens, you know, and that's just kind of what I'm doing over and over again.
Beyond Terrain: Well, I mean, the scientific literature contradicts itself all the time, especially the establishments that are like pushing the literature onto people, like supposedly pushing the literature. like The FDA comes out and says, oh, eggs are now healthy.
Beyond Terrain: So like eggs just weren't healthy for a while, and now they're healthy. like It's no way to live, man.
Wes: yeah Yeah, I know.
Beyond Terrain: wait
Wes: It's goofy, man. It's goofy. So yeah, and I tell people all the time, like I get messages quite often frequently. It seems like vitamin A overload is a big thing that's coming up a lot. A lot of people are getting worried about, Oh man, can you get vitamin A overload and is it possible and et cetera, et cetera.
Wes: And I don't know, man. I just tell people, I'm like, Hey, you can Google any food in the world and you're going to find something. Somebody says bad about it and not to eat it, you know? It's like the carnivore people, well it's like you can't eat a potato without them yelling at you about oxalates. And then, you know, it's like, then you got like cooked food people yelling at you for eating raw food. And then you got the raw food people yelling at the cooked food people. And it's just like, what?
Wes: going on here. So it's just like, yeah, you got to just like, at some point, like, like get a good foundation, like find, find someone that can teach you like the basics, like, like audience did, did for me.
Beyond Terrain: crazy man.
Wes: He taught me like the fundamentals and then you just run with it and just run your own program.
Beyond Terrain: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's funny, man. Cause even like, you know, I was reading, it's funny. I was reading about oxalates this morning and also what was it called?
Beyond Terrain: Uh, orco orcotoxin A or something orcotoxin A it's like the mold that's in coffee.
Wes: All right, right.
Beyond Terrain: Um, And I was reading these papers on it and they were like, oh yeah, we introduced this toxin that grows on mold or we introduced this oxalates into, you know, for our animal. And then within 24 hours they died. I was like, okay, like that's interesting. So they took the isolated, you know, compound out of it. And I was like, all right, that's, that's interesting. So then I went and looked and how do you isolate? Or I'm butchering the name orchitoxin a orchard.
Beyond Terrain: Oh, yeah, anyways, you'll know what I'm talking about if you go look it up. All the listeners, yeah, you can just look up the toxin in a mold, or in coffee, the mold toxin.
Wes: Yeah. Yeah.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Anyways, how do you isolate it? You need to introduce like all these toxic chemicals like formaldehydes and you know these these known carcinogens to isolate them.
Beyond Terrain: And then you're taking this isolation, which you know nothing is ever 100 % pure in chemistry. There's always gonna be residue.
Wes: yeah
Beyond Terrain: Also the cost associated with getting it to a certain degree of purity is really high. So like, you know, they're not spending $50 ,000 on having a hundred percent pure mold toxin to introduce, you know what I mean? Like you can't even get there. There's always going to be residue. So I'm like, okay, how do we know it's not this contaminations? How do we know? Like, did we even assess the contaminants before? Like none of these things are accounted for, right? So you're getting like this distorted view of reality. Even when you do read the literature.
Wes: Yeah. Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: And like all you have to do is go and look at the methods section and kind of think half critically about it and think, well, where where could there be contaminations or where could they be confounding variables? But you know more and more, I'm like, I think empiricism is kind of trash, man.
Wes: yeah
Beyond Terrain: like Because I think there's always like, like it was like the Dave Aspey guy, and he was talking about mold and coffee. And it was just like it just doesn't make any sense. like Maybe like, maybe we shouldn't drink coffee every day, but like, you know, people have drink coffee for a very long time.
Beyond Terrain: Like it can't be that problematic.
Wes: Yeah. They can't.
Beyond Terrain: You know what I mean? In moderation and stuff.
Wes: Yeah, we were
Beyond Terrain: yeah And I certainly wouldn't think it's the mold.
Wes: Yeah, I've gone down that rabbit hole recently actually, a little bit, not not as much as I probably should have, because I recently started introducing coffee back into my life. Just for the heck of it, man. i was I was drinking it every day for years and then I quit like four years ago or something.
Wes: And then, uh, then I was just started drinking it on road trips, on long trips.
Beyond Terrain: ah way
Wes: And then it kind of snuck its way into like, you know what, I really enjoy it in the evenings, like on the weekends. I'm an evening coffee guy. Yeah. So like after dinner, I like a cup of coffee.
Wes: So I started drinking it and and we're making, I'm obviously making great coffee over here. I got organic beans. I got like a $200 grinder. I got a French press making great coffee, throwing raw milk and cream in it.
Wes: It's delicious. Well then it snuck its way into like, okay, now I'm drinking it like every day. you know Now I'm drinking it morning and night. So now I'm drinking it for you know in the morning, because I'm working outside in the cold, and then I'm drinking it in the evening. And I was like, I can't wait for my fast, which I'm on right now. I'm three days fasted to where I can just likeever sever my connection with coffee for a little bit, because I tend to get attached to things like that.
Wes: But ah anyways, when we were buying it, my wife was, she was bringing up the mold thing to me and she said, we should get a brand that is like certified mold free. They test for mold. And so ah allegedly the coffee that I am drinking is mold free.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: So, but then I was, you know, then I was also thinking like, um Is that a big deal? like Like I think you've mentioned before and other people have mentioned like mold is really only a big problem. and It's on like construction materials and it's breaking down your house and stuff. Is it really a big deal if it's in nature or if it's on like a plant, et cetera? But I don't know. A lot of people claim that the mold -free coffee doesn't give them like the jitters and stuff.
Wes: and Other people claim that it's the organic coffee that doesn't give them jitters So, you know, I think organic is more important than anything.
Beyond Terrain: and
Wes: But yeah, I've definitely went down that rabbit hole last couple months It's been like a couple month thing where I was drinking every day. I Didn't notice any negative side effects. It might have kept me up a little bit later at night, but I still slept fine and I I'm, other than that, I'm like, my diet's like squeaky clean for the most part.
Wes: And so I think I would have noticed something bad, nothing bad, digestive wise, nothing bad mood wise, energy wise or anything. So, you know, I think it's pretty, pretty benign.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think that organic is more important than anything. Cause you mentioned like, um, I think mold is a problem when it's on synthetic materials, right?
Beyond Terrain: So maybe if you're drinking coffee with pesticides in it and the mold's creating these toxic byproducts in your coffee, I think that might be the problem, right?
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Like, I think it's the, these compounding variables.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: It's like, yeah. So I think that's a great point. I think it's a great point. That's really interesting. That's good. Nothing hits better than a nice, cup of coffee when it's cold in the morning too, right? So I feel that.
Wes: It's kind of nice, man. It's kind of nice. I started missing it. And then I started just thinking like, did I believe a bunch of BS about coffee? Like, did I just quit that for no reason? But I didn't. I mean, there are probably some goods and bads. I think there's obviously net good. I think all that stuff is medicinal. I think coffee is medicinal. Nicotine, cannabis, whatever you want to call it. People use this stuff for a reason. It's just you got to use it in moderation and use it, you know, just appropriately, you know, like an adult. but Um, yeah, it's good.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: I think it's good. I think it's okay.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, even with the nicotine thing, like natives smoke like trains and never had lung cancers, stuff like that. Right. Like, you know, but they were smoking, you know, tobacco that they were foraging and maybe they were even growing it a little bit, but it it was wild, man.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Like it wasn't like big monocrops full of pesticides and shit. And they were fine, man. Like they had no problems. And then now like cigarettes aren't even tobacco, that's like a piece of paper dipped in this concoction of chemicals that contain nicotine, right?
Wes: I know, I know it's not, it's not the same thing.
Beyond Terrain: It's it's not even the same thing, right? It's not even close.
Wes: And Indians also used it in ceremony, which that goes into a whole different rabbit hole, but it could have been the ceremony that helped to prevent them from getting disease.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: You know, it's like, there could have been something metaphysical involved there, you know?
Beyond Terrain: Absolutely.
Beyond Terrain: Absolutely. Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: I'm really eager to hear your thoughts on, uh, cause I saw you talking about the other day on salt.
Wes: ah Yeah Yeah, Know I know man, that's been
Beyond Terrain: You know, um, yeah I never, honestly, I've never been salt free and it's something that I've wanted to try like based on this experiment thing. And I do want to try it at some point, but I know that you've been off the salt for a bit at least.
Beyond Terrain: And really curious about your thoughts on that because I know that's a big topic of discussion. Everyone's like. Darko is so wrong because he's telling people to drink salt and salt water and stuff like that. and but yeah
Wes: That's been, that's that's the rabbit hole I'm currently in right now. I was pretty deep into it a couple of days ago. Me and my wife were just, we're both into it, you know? So we're both talking about it and we're both curious about it.
Beyond Terrain: True.
Wes: and It started with, so I just busted out this book. I don't know what got me to bring this book out, The Salt Fix. um It's a very like famous book.
Beyond Terrain: true
Wes: Pretty good. And I can't remember what got me into bringing that book out. There was something else that preceded that. But anyways, I was like, I'm going to read this book while I'm on The Salt Thing. So I started reading it and it got pretty heavy, like I wouldn't say heavy. It got into like the history of salt and it was like many chapters on like the history of salt and I wasn't really interested in all that. um you know It was telling me some stuff that I already knew.
Wes: It basically broke down like all of the studies that allegedly claimed that salt was bad for your blood pressure and things like that. He went and he went through and he dismantled dismantles all of that. I skipped all that because I don't really believe that stuff to begin with.
Wes: Um, and I went, I basically started skimming it. Uh, so I skimmed this book, which I hardly ever do, but I decided to do with this one. And I found a bunch of really good stuff in there. Um, like tribes, when they're given unrestricted access to salt, they generally consume about three to five grams a day. Uh, I think the RDA recommended is 1800 milligrams or less.
Wes: um And and then you got odd genus what monitor planets who claims we don't need salt rocks at all We can get it all from our raw diet. We can get sodium from the raw diet. So we don't need the sodium chloride salt rock. He thinks that's unnatural and That's basically soil food. So the rain comes down dissolve the salt rock feeds the soil The soil feeds the plants the animals eat the plants then we eat the animals and then that's how we're supposed to get our sodium chloride and into our diet and That makes the most sense to me, like that actually rings true and that's why I started following that about six years ago. So I started doing that and I stopped salting my food and everything. I wasn't a really big salt guy, but I'm never a real big salt and spice guy. But I basically stopped doing it and I largely went without it for a really long time. I can't even measure if it was months or years or whatever.
Wes: And then um periodically, then I started like eating a little bit of cooked food every once in a while, so I'd go get like a steak, and then that would obviously be salted. and then know So I'm getting a little bit of salt that way. So I started actually kind of like supplementing a little bit, not intentionally, but I was getting salt now. um So I didn't fully deprive myself the last six years. um But I did find that like I was craving salty foods. I started craving salty foods.
Wes: um And I I remember the first time I started eating green olives again after like many years of eating raw And I just ate like a whole jar in one sitting Because I was just like I wanted these olives so bad looking back on it. I was probably needing salt so that start that kind of stuff started happening where I started craving salty foods and And so then I started buying salty foods, pickles and olives and things like that and just eating them all the time, sauerkraut and kimchi and just anything with like a little bit of salt in it.
Wes: Started eating all that and feeling fine.
Beyond Terrain: Okay.
Wes: And then last year I got this job working outside where I'm basically fully clothed, you know, working on houses and it's 9 ,500 degrees out.
Wes: And I got to bring about a gallon of water to work to to hydrate myself or so I think. That's about how much I crave, I guess you could say. So I'm drinking all this water during the day. I get home. We have fresh squeezed lemonade that we make every day in the summer. So after dinner, we always drink our lemonade. It's like our little dessert or whatever. So now I'm drinking lemonade, et cetera. Well, I'm kicked back on the couch and my legs are just locking up. They're cramping, super bad cramps. And that was happening like once or twice a week.
Wes: And I just couldn't figure it out. I was talking to my wife. I was like, I can't figure it out. I was like, I drink a gallon of spring water today. you know And then I'm drinking fresh squeezed lemonade with honey. like How could I be dehydrated?
Wes: I don't understand.
Beyond Terrain: Mm hmm.
Wes: Well, then I read this book, The Salt Fix, and they all make this big connection between the Mountain Valley spring water is actually sodium free. So this spring water that I'm drinking, that I've been drinking for six years, has no salt in it.
Wes: And it's got potassium, magnesium, and and calcium. So then I was like, holy crap. That's what I was doing is I was washing out all the salt with this water. Most likely I was dehydrating myself, you know?
Wes: So anyways, long story short, I'm like thinking about, okay, now I got to start salt in my water or something.
Beyond Terrain: Bye.
Wes: You know, like how am I going to get this extra sodium in my diet? And then people were commenting and basically saying that, you know, audience recommends drinking just milk, drink just raw milk when you're, when you need hydration.
Wes: And then I'm like replying back and I'm like, well, I don't want to drink, you know, raw milk during the day. Cause it's like, it's cow milk and it kind of brings me down a little bit. It doesn't exactly energize me.
Wes: So I'm trying to figure out how to hydrate myself. And I think ultimately, man, at the end of the day, ultimately, I think that ogenous was probably right again, and that we shouldn't be chugging water on hot days. We should probably be drinking something like milk that's got natural sodium in it, and it's got natural electrolytes and hydration in it, and not just not just some like spring water you buy from like a plant.
Wes: you know So that's kind of where I'm at right now, but um I guess in general as a way to live, I'm thinking that like, okay, there's two things. Like what if our soil is deficient from from sodium and it's not getting into the grass and it's not getting into the cows and the chickens and the milk and stuff. And then also if you're eating a raw diet, like what if we're supposed to be also drinking the blood of the animal, which has got the most sodium in it.
Wes: Um, I've heard that argument before, so I'm just wondering if odd, you know, oddness was right, but these other people are also right where it's like, yeah, ideally if you're living in like the best soil eating the best food and all this stuff. Yeah, you should be getting all your sodium, but maybe we're just not getting it and we have to like supplement with a little sea salt. So that's where I'm at.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Interesting. Really interesting. Good to rethink these things at least, you know, at the very least.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Um, I know sometimes I'll drink like when I, I'll feel thirsty and I'll, I'll have like a bunch of milk. And then after I'm like done, I'm like still thirsty.
Beyond Terrain: Like it didn't quench my thirst. I've noticed that a lot. Now I've never been really salt free, so it's probably not. Not as, you know, relevant to, to kind of someone like, like at least Agnes argument, right?
Beyond Terrain: Because I think I'd have to be a little salt free and maybe my body is more used to it, like a drug right now or something. I don't know.
Wes: Yeah, it could be.
Beyond Terrain: Um, yeah, you know, but, um, yeah, I think that's really interesting. I think the blood piece is big too, because like, that's just kind of, that's hard to get, you know, I've never had it before.
Wes: Mm -hmm.
Beyond Terrain: I, I really want to try it, but it's kind of hard to get. And I know like my farmer, he's like, Well, if you want to come and kind of butcher the animal yourself, you can. And I'm like, shit, I don't know how to do that.
Wes: yeah Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: you know fifteen means So I'm like, maybe one day, maybe one day, if I have more time, I'll like, you know, get a guy and hopefully meet a guy that knows how to do that. Or maybe I'll go visit you or Derek or something and we could do one.
Wes: Yeah.
Wes: There you go. That'd be fun, man. I got to visit him again sometime anyway. So if you ever want to do that, that would be a lot that would be a blast.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would be sick. That would be really cool. Yeah. yeah I think that that's one of the coolest videos that I ever watched man was like you and him and and just kind of like um like watching him go through that process man like he's quite the he's quite the character man he's he's a good guy he's a legend yeah that's true man that's true yeah no that's that's cool though man like that's uh that's it that's really interesting and like
Wes: Oh, yeah. hes He's a legend, dude. There ain't nothing like him. Yep. Very unique. Very unique guy.
Beyond Terrain: What about like the green juice and stuff like that? like there's There's gotta to be salt and stuff like that too, right? So like if you're not doing it to, like Adjutant's ways is like really, you gotta be by the book, right?
Beyond Terrain: like You gotta like do things at a certain you know and order and you can't, you know it's very specific, right?
Wes: Hey.
Beyond Terrain: like you have to That's what I've noticed in learning about it.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: It's so specific.
Wes: It is. Yeah, I mean, and he's I think he's right about the green juice. He's right about that, too. I mean, there's a lot of things that guy was right about. So I didn't do green juices for a long time. And then we just decided to just try it you know as an experiment. Let's try it, you know. And I've obviously drank them before, but I said, let's do an actual experiment this time. Well, we'll drink them every day and then we'll go off of it. See what happens.
Wes: and It took away my salt cravings, man. It really did. The grain juices definitely did that and it also increased my appetite for red meat big time, which is exactly what he said would happen.
Beyond Terrain: Oh.
Wes: It's something to do with it alkalizing your your blood because you get you get acidic from eating all the meats or you get acidic from like detoxing cooked food out of your body or something like that.
Wes: but Basically, it's like alkalizing. It re -alkalizes you and then you become hungry again for the red meat. Um, so that was a big thing I noticed, but yeah, took my salt cravings away. Uh, but I find myself like, you know, so like eating like the primal diet, um, you know, that's a great diet and everything, but like, it doesn't follow the seasons.
Wes: And you know, so it's like we need to be eating seasonally and it also doesn't follow your environment. So it's like, okay, I'm in the winter now. So it's like, I'm probably not going to be juicing greens. And right now juicing greens does not sound good at all.
Wes: So I said let's take a break and we're not juicing greens right now. We're not making fresh squeezed lemonade or we're not eating fruit. We're doing none of that. This is what I do every year. I take a break from basically almost all the plants outside of a potato.
Beyond Terrain: yeah
Wes: We'll do baked potatoes sometimes and then we'll reintroduce everything back in the spring. And I love doing that because it like, you get a break from it and then you come back to it and it's so much more delicious, but it just makes more sense, man.
Wes: You know, it's like, I'm like, what, I'm like, what is more unnatural?
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: Like, like juicing greens every day of your life or sprinkling a little sea salt in your water. You know, I just, it's like, you can say both are unnatural, you know?
Beyond Terrain: true
Beyond Terrain: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's it's kind of a tough argument, right? It's like we're we're in this situation where we're not undergathers.
Beyond Terrain: You know, that's the reality of the situation and um we just don't have access to that lifestyle either, right?
Wes: Yeah. yeah
Beyond Terrain: Like it's not even an option for the most part. I mean, you could probably do it, but
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: it's to Know like I don't really want to do that. Honestly, like I think I'm I like kind of i like my life and the way it is, right?
Wes: No, I'm good.
Beyond Terrain: like ah da Yeah, it's interesting on the salt thing too, I know that like Even the the animals are getting salt like I don't i don't know a farmer who doesn't have salt like for their animals you know, so it's probably even it might even be like something from the source man, like I don't know like maybe it's a
Wes: um I'm good, man. Yeah.
Wes: Yeah, right.
Beyond Terrain: Maybe it's like eating a whole life of being salt deficient too. You know what I mean? Because when you cook your food, a lot of those water soluble minerals get evaporated, right?
Beyond Terrain: Like so, and then you're adding salt back and maybe you're adding too much and everything's thrown off.
Wes: yeah
Beyond Terrain: Then you live 20, 30 years eating like all these, like, like just balances kind of thrown off and then your body can't like even, you know, six years you've been doing this for a while, man.
Beyond Terrain: And like, maybe it's still kind of, not fully imbalanced as it should be like primitive man once was, right? So like that's something to think about too. That'd be interesting with your son. That will be a really interesting experiment because that kid is so fortunate to grow up in in this environment, man.
Beyond Terrain: Like he's, he's going to have a pretty pure, pretty pure upbringing, I'd say.
Wes: yeah
Wes: Yeah, he is. Yeah. And that's that's a great point, man, is like we're trying to figure out now, like when should we introduce salt and if we should. But I'm going to try everything I can because like I really do have faith that not in like a religious way, but just in an intellectual way that like Agenus had a lot of this stuff figured out because he's basically not led me astray with the diet stuff yet.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: You know, I just we I'm thriving. My wife's thriving. My son's doing great. I was like, OK, he was right. um So I'm gonna try to integrate the sodium in through foods as much as I can and When it comes to like the cramping and stuff in the summertime, that's the only time I really noticed a deficiency I don't think I'm gonna probably try milk next summer um But this actually after this Podcast with you.
Wes: I'm gonna go run and buy a hundred oysters from a wholesaler downtown and I'm gonna that's another thing is I stopped eating oysters, you know before I started cramping and
Beyond Terrain: Nice.
Wes: I was eating a lot of oysters, man.
Beyond Terrain: True.
Wes: And so I thought that might've led to the cramping. So I'm going to stock up on oysters and, and we're going to try to figure it out without, without supplementing as much as we can.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: True, true. Yeah. but Best get it from Whole Foods. Man, oysters are the best. I love oysters. Can't get enough.
Wes: How much are they up there?
Beyond Terrain: They're so, they're so cheap here right now too. Like, but I can get like a box of like 25 for like 12 bucks Canadian.
Wes: Oh, really? Wait a sec. How much is 12 bucks Canadian in US?
Beyond Terrain: That's probably like $2 US s now. after Our dollar's so shit right now, but what is 12 bucks?
Wes: What?
Wes: ah yeah It's like half, right? I think you guys, I think you're like, we're like half of you.
Beyond Terrain: It's close, it's like probably 60 cents maybe? Maybe it's more.
Beyond Terrain: Let's look it up. That's $8 .30 US.
Wes: $8 and 30 cents. Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah.
Wes: Okay. For 20 for 25.
Beyond Terrain: fair twenty five Yeah.
Wes: That's a good deal. That's a good deal, dude. I pay about 80 cents, uh, oyster.
Beyond Terrain: yeah Yeah. It's good here, man. We got like a lot of, a lot of fisheries out out where I live, right? Like I live on the water obviously. So it's, it's good, man.
Wes: Right on.
Beyond Terrain: Like best oysters in the world too.
Wes: That's all.
Beyond Terrain: If you haven't had mile pack oysters.
Wes: Nope.
Beyond Terrain: Those are the best oysters in the world from Prince Edward Island, pristine waters.
Wes: Oh, really?
Beyond Terrain: But they're like, man, they're screwing with the oyster industry big time with all the virus talk, um which is like, dude, it's it's huge, man.
Wes: Oh man, they're gonna come up with oyster flu now or what?
Beyond Terrain: Like Vibrio, they're talking about that bacteria. They're talking about viruses in the oysters now. Like they're testing them with PCR and stuff.
Wes: Oh no.
Beyond Terrain: And they're trying to like, man, they're trying to, wi I think they're going to try to wipe out the fisheries here, man. Like it's going to be a big problem. There's a lot of people lives rely on that stuff, but dude, it's, it's crazy, man.
Wes: Dang dude. That's no good.
Beyond Terrain: I've been looking into it. And man, the other problem is like more and more, like our rivers are pretty nice, but man, more and more is more pesticides, more, you know, balances are getting thrown off with all these artificial fertilizers getting just flooded into the rivers.
Beyond Terrain: Right. And that's where like. You know, that's where the oysters are growing. So that's like a big problem. So if there is bacterial growth, I would say that that's definitely the cause.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Um, and obviously the whole virus, like the PCR test is just nonsense. I'd love to get that out loud, but there's just no way, man. Like there's, there's so many people doing it now.
Wes: Yeah.
Beyond Terrain: Cause this summer we have like a big shellfish festival and, uh, like a bunch of people got sick at the shellfish festival. It's probably just mishandled oysters, right?
Beyond Terrain: Like.
Wes: huh
Beyond Terrain: And so then they went on this big like spree of testing oysters. And like now they're just, it's so, it's so far and it's, it's awesome.
Wes: They're out to find the boogie man, man. They're going to find them somewhere.
Beyond Terrain: Dude, they've, you will always find them. That's what science can do. We can find, it can find unicorns.
Wes: Exactly.
Beyond Terrain: It can find unicorns.
Wes: If you're looking for a unicorn, you will find one for sure.
Beyond Terrain: and
Beyond Terrain: You will find one. Yeah.
Wes: Crazy.
Beyond Terrain: Right on, man. Right on. Anything you want to add to the episode, brother, before we wrap things up here?
Wes: No, man. I appreciate you having me back on, man. And I hope all is well with you. And yeah, we'll have to catch up again. I'll have you back on the channel here soon too.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Yeah. Anytime. Anytime. Yeah. i I'm really eager to kind of pick your reign to moving forward about like child rearing right beyond kind of the pregnancy conception, stuff like that too. Right. It can be a complex topic, right?
Wes: Sure.
Beyond Terrain: And especially we can probably talk about a lot of the psychology behind it and even just the roles that that are meant to be played and in raising and children.
Wes: Yep.
Beyond Terrain: Yeah. Really looking forward to to your journey and just hear more about it, man. So thank you. Thank you for coming on and thank you for your time.
Wes: Alright man. Talk to you later.
Beyond Terrain: All right, brother. I want to thank you all for listening. You should all know that this is not medical advice. This is for your informational purposes only. Also remember, we're all responsible, sovereign, being capable of thinking, understanding, criticizing, absolutely anything we need people in the greater force to have together, self -healer, self -governance, self -teacher, so much more. Make sure to reach out if you have any questions, criticisms, comments, concerns, you know, or find me on Instagram.
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