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Dawn Lester on the Psychology of COVID, Contagion, The Terrain Paradigm and More!
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In this episode, we sit down with Dawn Lester to explore the true nature of health and what really makes us ill. We begin by discussing what health truly is, challenging mainstream definitions and looking at the deeper factors that contribute to well-being.
Dawn shares insights from her personal journey, detailing how her research led her to question conventional medical narratives. This naturally leads into a discussion about her work, What Really Makes You Ill?, where she breaks down misconceptions about disease and explores alternative perspectives on illness.
We take a deep dive into the terrain perspective, shifting the focus from external pathogens to the internal environment of the body. Dawn also offers profound insights into the role of psychology in health, discussing how mindset, beliefs, and emotions influence physical well-being.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in a deeper understanding of health, terrain theory, and the factors that truly impact our well-being. Tune in!
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Introduction and Listener Engagement
00:00:01
Beyond Terrain
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Beyond Train Podcast. I'm your host, Liam Dalton. If you're new around here, consider subscribing, following the show. And if you like content, you like the podcast, you like the YouTube channel, give us a review, comment, subscribe, all that good stuff. You know what to do to support us. It's always much appreciated. Sharing is always the best way. ah We have a fantastic guests on today. I'm so looking forward to this conversation.
Introduction to Don Lester and Initial Resistance
00:00:21
Beyond Terrain
um Don Lester has been someone very influential in my journey. And, you know, I usually don't do long-winded intros, but I do want to tell just this short, short uh, encounter with, with her work. Uh, what really makes you ill was one of the first books that I ever read on the terrain topic specifically. And of course you guys all know that I did biochemistry and molecular for my undergrad. And so I was quite on the other side of the argument, uh, especially considering, uh, injection stuff like
Emotional and Financial Investments in Health
00:00:51
Beyond Terrain
that. When I first read through the book, I actually skipped the section on injections because I, there was so much, uh, you know,
00:01:00
Beyond Terrain
there was something mentally blocking, right? The critical faculty that was blocking me from going into that because I didn't want to face the inevitable conclusion that I was coming to, right? So I studied every aspect of the terrain before I hit this sort of huge topic. And of course I went back and and read through it and it was fantastic and extremely convincing of course. But um that's my little funny story about, about that, right? So even on my journey, you know, there was so much,
00:01:28
Beyond Terrain
uh, even though I didn't really have these huge ties to the field, obviously I was in school, spent, you know, probably $20,000 into school at that point, maybe a little bit more, but, but still there was something blocking me. So I think there's something really important in looking at the things that, that you don't want to look at, right? Like these things that, you know, you feel emotionally connected to maybe, uh, you know, emotionally charged about these are the areas that you want to look at for self growth and to really become the most holistic best version
Don Commends Openness to New Ideas
00:01:56
Beyond Terrain
of yourself. So that's my little.
00:01:58
Beyond Terrain
The longest intro I've ever done on this podcast for a very special guest on Lester. Thank you so much for coming on today. I really appreciate your time.
00:02:06
Dawn Lester
Well, thank you for inviting me and and thank you for sharing that little story. And ah yeah, that's some ah not too surprising considering where you started from. And at the same time, um absolutely well done, pat on the back. And I don't mean that in a condescending way. I mean, you know, truly so for actually getting through that chapter and facing it and ah being open to the information that's in there, because, ah you know, it's it's not a made up story, you know, there's, it's research that so when you have a look at the whole, everything that's behind it, I'm not going to use the word science because it isn't, as you know, yeah, it's just a um ah convenient setup, somehow that the
00:03:02
Dawn Lester
people just thought it was a good idea and it just carried on being regarded as a good idea.
Origins of Injection Systems
00:03:07
Dawn Lester
um the The interesting thing, of course, is that it started before the whole ah germ theory, you know, Pasteur's germ theory, um which I think is interesting because a lot of people think, you know, that the injection system started because of germ theory and it didn't, it started earlier. So I found that interesting. But again, as I say, you know,
00:03:31
Dawn Lester
kid us to you for getting around to it and and you know being brave enough to to be ah and an open enough to say okay I am how do I not just how do you feel about it but how does it sit with you how you know how open are you to realizing that ah you know what you're taught because again there's also another section than the book where we're saying about how doctors are trained and it must be the same for all fields of ah you know, biomedical science or you know, just all of those areas.
Critique of the Education System
00:04:05
Dawn Lester
So yeah, really tough to know that you've you've gone through school and paid a lot of money. And yeah, kind of a lot of stuff is not quite what they've told you.
00:04:16
Dawn Lester
Yeah, tough.
00:04:17
Beyond Terrain
yeah yeah
00:04:18
Dawn Lester
It's just tough for everybody. and You know, I feel for everybody in in that same position.
00:04:20
Beyond Terrain
yes
00:04:22
Dawn Lester
um It's it's, you know, it's not blaming the the people, you know, that they're you know, they're bad. I mean, most everyone wants to study things for for the right reason, go into these ideas for the right reason, go into these vocations, these professions. It's just that what what's being taught is not in line with how the body works, which is really the key point. And it's great that your podcast is called Beyond Terrain, because there's there's something about terrain and and there's, you know,
00:04:57
Dawn Lester
beyond what is, the you know, the general idea of what terrain is. So it's fantastic that you're open to going beyond just that one idea, just that one concept.
00:05:07
Dawn Lester
So yeah, anyway, that's, that's a long kind of, that's a long kind of, you know, thank you.
00:05:10
Beyond Terrain
Amazing. Yeah, you got it.
00:05:12
Dawn Lester
But yes, yes, okay. So that's the starting point.
00:05:14
Beyond Terrain
That's great.
00:05:15
Dawn Lester
Is that it? So we've covered it all then. Yeah, okay. That's it.
00:05:17
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, that's pretty well. Yeah. That's great.
00:05:21
Dawn Lester
No, we can, we can go in more.
00:05:22
Beyond Terrain
um No, you're absolutely right. and And you know, like, it was a very general, like, it was, you know, biochemistry, right? And molecular biology, but you're right, I hit the nail on the head that it was completely based in, um you know, the medical sciences, right?
00:05:35
Beyond Terrain
It was just kind of setting you up to
00:05:39
Beyond Terrain
just think the same way as everyone else, right? And and not necessarily question things. and And that was one of the things actually that um really pushed me to to question things was not being allowed to question things, you know? Because when I would i would ask my professors about, you know, they would they would try to even embarrass me in front of the class or or, you know, kind of make a little bit of a deal. Like I remember once I asked about PCR and running it at 45 cycles. I tell the story quite a bit, so the listeners will know. but You know, I asked it to my genetics professor and she was teaching us that you can't run it past 33 cycles. Now PCR is much more questionable than this, but there was still this discrepancy of what was happening and what was being taught, you know, at the, you at the undergraduate level, right? Like we were learning about, you know, the fundamentals of PCR. We were running it way higher than we were supposed to. And it was dismissed and it was, I was called a conspiracy theory and all that. And I'm like, I have like the CDC document says they're running it at 40, 45 cycles. Like why are you?
00:06:39
Beyond Terrain
So it was quite the experience.
Definition of Health
00:06:40
Beyond Terrain
But anyways, I do want to ask before we get started, I do ask all my guests to give a little definition of health. I do want to hear what your take on on this question is, and I'm sure we'll cycle it into sort of our introductory discussion there. But ah just to get a little definition, what is health? What does it mean to you? What does it look like? You can take it in any direction that you'd like.
00:06:59
Dawn Lester
ah Well, fortunately, I have watched, ah um well, they didn't watch, managed to get, but I've watched a previous episode of yours, so I am aware, I was like, oh, I better prepare for this one. um Because I know, yes, I was watching the your episode with Adam and Josh Biggleson, you know, really great guys, lovely. ah You know, such important information that you're sharing.
00:07:27
Dawn Lester
um And they said that the definition is um ah the absence of disease. Well, that's one of the few things that I'd say that the WHO gets right is because on their website, they say that it's more than just the absence of disease. um They say it's it's a, you know, the, well, I was paraphrasing it, but I haven't got the exact words, but it's about ah a state of wellbeing. now that's still regarding health as ah as a noun, as a thing, as a state,
Health as a Dynamic Process
00:08:00
Dawn Lester
as, you know, something that is, well, yeah, a noun, a thing, ah whereas it's not a distinct state. It's not ah a fixed, oh, when you're in this particular state, yeah that's health. um It's more that it's, it's more like a, it's not even maybe a verb, but I,
00:08:20
Dawn Lester
ah So for me, ah the way I describe it is when the body is functioning optimally. Now that doesn't mean to say perfectly, but where the body is functioning and the all the systems are operating, you know, and and the and it's again, it's not just the body, it's the full mind-body aspect. So again, we'll probably get into the mind part of it as well, because I think that's really um important and you know again as Adam and Josh said yeah it's a process so it's a it's not a fixed state it's it's a process because the body's always in process so a health so health for me is when the body is functioning um functioning well functioning optimally and the yeah so it's it's not let's not let's not to go with what it's not it's
00:09:16
Dawn Lester
It's a range, if you like. It's not just one, oh, optimal is just at one point. it's It's a range. It's a process of, you know, everything's working. So again, functioning optimally is probably the nearest I'll get to a kind of definition.
00:09:30
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:09:32
Beyond Terrain
Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. but Well, what I really like about that is that it kind of incorporates the whole terrain philosophy because it's based on your environment and your terrain. What are you going to be like, uh, living in the woods versus some sort of modern environment, like to live optimally in the city is going to be much different than still live optimally in the mountain range somewhere.
00:09:51
Beyond Terrain
Right. So, um, it's, it's, it's wholly dependent on your environment.
00:09:52
Dawn Lester
Yeah.
00:09:55
Beyond Terrain
And like you said, like it depends on your mindset. It depends on. your goals and your purpose and you know the meaning in your life, right? Because um you know somebody who's oriented with a different path is going to be optimal in a different way, right? So it's very individual. That's one thing I always say, is that health is very individual. And what I love about the terrain, when we take a really like a good philosophical point of view on the terrain, is that everything comes down to your environment, right? And our bodies are the sort of the internal terrain, our and our internal environment acting in this external environment. so
00:10:27
Beyond Terrain
um Yeah, that's that's a beautiful definition. I really, really enjoy that. um Yeah, you know, moving forward, I think I'd love to know a little bit about how you kind of got into this idea of the terrain itself.
Mindset and Cancer Treatment
00:10:42
Beyond Terrain
I'd love to hear a little bit about your story about, you know, how'd you kind of come to these conclusions that um germs don't cause disease, right? Because that's sort of the fundamental crux, right? And I think you were sort of alluding to this earlier with the beyond terrain comment that It's not germ theory versus terrain theory, right terrain in and of itself really is much more than that. um Often it's seen as this sort of battle between the germ versus the terrain, but um but like you were mentioning there, it's it's much more than a theory. So I'd love to hear just a little bit about your story and and how you kind of got to this point.
00:11:16
Dawn Lester
Oh, okay. I'll keep it brief. And as you say, terrain, terrain's not a theory. It's a paradigm. Maybe not a model, but a better paradigm is it's, it represents how the body actually works. And again, as you say, the, the terrain is not just the external train, it's our internal train. And not just the body's terrain, it's the mind, the terrain of the body and the mind. Very briefly, in The mid-1990s, I had a diagnosis of cancer. I went through the treatment. um I had surgery, chemotherapy, and radiotherapy. I was even on tamoxifen for a couple of years. A few years. and maybe I've lost track. um At the time, though, I knew, and I don't know how I knew, but I kind of knew intuitively that it was something to do with my mindset.
00:12:09
Dawn Lester
of how I get through it, it helps to do with my mindset. I also subsequently realised in the, you know, I can't pimp on to time that there was an emotional aspect to why it even presented in the first place. um And I'm still working on a few ideas, but that doesn't matter so much. So i I'd had that experience of a ah and ah a diagnosis, shall we say, and go through the treatment.
00:12:36
Dawn Lester
That led me to make changes in my life. I was making, started off with dietary changes and then I realised I had to make some other changes. I had to make some um changes in in what I was doing with my life. It it just got bigger from just, you know, a few changes in diet. It ended up with me um ending my marriage and ah You know the saying when one door closes, other doors open, and I moved into um different areas of of interest that took me to actually taking a couple of Reiki courses that led me to a course that was being run at at a centre. It was actually being, and it was a course that had been written by David Parker, who ah we ended up writing three books together.
00:13:27
Dawn Lester
and that was on the nature of reality. And at that point, something really spoke to me deep inside as to what reality is, who we are, what we're doing here. Within understanding the nature of reality also understands, well, but why do we get ill? Because again, that took me to the um the book, The Biology of Belief, which I assume you're familiar with, you know, Bruce Lipton. So yes, that was a quite eye opening. It's just how much our thoughts affect and influence our body. And that's something that that ah is really powerful for me and that is something I'm working more on on now because it's not just our bodies, it's everything in our lives. So understanding, well, if our beliefs affect our health, what how do we get these things called colds and flus and viruses and all that stuff? So that was a you know the door that opened into, well
00:14:25
Dawn Lester
What are these things called germs that led to a very but's it's ah just a short book um that we published a self published again in 2010 called why germs don't make you when and the drugs can't cure
Misconceptions About Germs
00:14:38
Dawn Lester
you. I mean, it's it's still available. but it's It's just a ah very brief overview of of that concept.
00:14:44
Dawn Lester
um But that was how early we'd got to that point where we realized that germs aren't the cause of illness. now ah Because we'd come across the work of Stefan Lanker at that point. and um And I think the Perth group and virus myth. So wed we'd come across a lot of um a lot of the HIV work you know want the by by the dissidents.
00:15:10
Dawn Lester
So we put that book out and then realized that there was a lot more to it and decided to take a deeper dive. And um yeah, 2019, December 2019, so just over five years ago, what really makes you all was then, yeah um and it's not just about the germ theory. It's not just about germ versus terrain. It covers the history of injections, as as you know, which, you know, that chapter, which is,
00:15:38
Dawn Lester
um Yeah, but it's it's fairly early on. it In fact, it it precedes the germ theory chapter just to show that the, you know, that history precedes the whole germ theory idea. It also covers chronic conditions. It covers um things we're exposed to in the environment, whether it's in the food, in the in the water, in agriculture, in food production, ah but in the external and external environment. And then it goes into ah
00:16:10
Dawn Lester
the training of doctors, what's you know behind it, ah what how it's been captured, and the bigger picture, so not keeping it just to like the US s and the UK, sort of spreading it out, so looking at the situation and how this is all being rolled out into into places like Africa, which is huge content. Obviously, a lot of people are aware of these attempts by a particular industry to get um people injected out in in Africa and thinking, you know, all these poor people, they they need their injections. Yes, I know. So that there's there's quite a bit in that, also covering a lot of these so-called parasitic diseases and how much effort is being ah how much effort there is in really trying to make the disease model, the germ disease model, um you know pushed out in into everywhere around the world.
00:17:11
Dawn Lester
So we cover, again, other other countries, and then the vested interest behind it, and then the, well, what can we actually do? Which of course is is the point of, when when when you know what makes you ill, you can say, okay, well, what can I do to not be ill? And again, that's that's also understanding what, you know it requires us to understand what disease is, and in fact, what it isn't, because as far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing as,
00:17:39
Dawn Lester
a disease. There are no diseases because that's ah again and a thing that we're supposed to get but it's not, the it's the the symptoms are all representations of the body um doing its best to rebalance itself, return to homeostasis. So you know the detox symptoms that are associated with colds and flu and then the chronic conditions which is just a sign that the body's seriously out of balance um but again it's yeah and that there's there's so much more to that. So yeah, it covers quite a lot of ground, which is why it took, you know, basically 10 years to put all that material together because it was not, it's not just about the terrain. It's a broad, sort of broad brush, but it it covers a the whole area is so people can get kind of an overview of everything in one place. And some people find it daunting because it's, you know,
00:18:40
Dawn Lester
quite a big book. But anyway, that's...
00:18:42
Beyond Terrain
Well, yeah it's like it is comprehensive and I think that's, you know, there's a reason why i I recommend it to anyone that wants to get into terrain if you're even half serious about it, right? ah It seems daunting, but it's quite an enjoyable read. I mean, you attack it from so many different perspectives that it it it seems fresh as you're reading it, right? You're not like,
00:19:06
Beyond Terrain
diving in 700 pages on the specifics of PCR or something like that, right? It really is comprehensive and holistic, um which which I absolutely love about it. um And it is it is certainly one of those books that I recommend right out the gate ah for anyone who's who serious about learning anything about health or the terrain because because of that.
00:19:16
Dawn Lester
Thank you.
00:19:25
Beyond Terrain
um you know I'm really curious, you know looking back now, obviously this might be a big question, but I'm curious if you have like anything that you feel you would want revised in that book or that you would want to add or things that you might have
Reflections on Health and Psychology
00:19:42
Beyond Terrain
missed. you know Is there anything like that that comes to mind when when you look back on on writing that book?
00:19:47
Dawn Lester
Oh, well, I've learnt so much more in the last five years that, yeah, I mean, it's not there's anything wrong, although um I might have a slightly different way of approaching nuclear
00:19:53
Beyond Terrain
That's it.
00:20:06
Dawn Lester
the nuclear industry, but we'll leave that one to one side. We don't discuss um what happened, what's happened over the last five years because it was published before any of that happened.
00:20:16
Dawn Lester
So we don't talk about that. So no, we don't go into detail on on the PCO, except in the section where we talk about HIV-AIDS, because obviously, you know, that was the, that was the starting model and that was the, you know, oh
00:20:24
Beyond Terrain
the journal.
00:20:31
Dawn Lester
first ah iteration of this in which, you know, they've then rolled out on a global scale with ah in 2020. So with the HIV, you know, got a sense of what types of things they were doing to make it appear that I know viruses were the problem, but of course, you know, we've seen. um ah I think the the role of the the mind um And yet that would have, is is something that probably to have put more in, but again, that's almost a whole other work, really.
00:21:12
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:21:12
Dawn Lester
You know, it's it's such a huge topic and i it is something I talk and speak and write about because I've been writing of the sub-stack for the last two and a half years.
00:21:25
Dawn Lester
And I've been focusing on that part of it, you know, how people are being manipulated, you know, the kind of mind control, which is just on the basis of fear alone. And, you know, we could see how that was just rolling out with the constant media ah reports and the the information on a daily basis right at the very beginning that they were using tactics.
00:21:53
Dawn Lester
they that they've been gathering information on human psychology for for many decades. So they worked out what they could actually do, how they could control people, get people to do things that were on the face of it, ludicrous, um and also to keep changing what they were saying in the media, and people just carrying on, even though it was you know different, maybe not every day but you know something was different you know said one thing one day and then something different the next day and people just kept going without saying without questioning and again that's the point like you said you know you were discouraged from questioning and yet at the same time that's what learning is about is asking questions so when you can't ask questions and then all these labels conspiracy theorists and you know all this yeah
00:22:48
Dawn Lester
anti-vaxxer, just so much of it was just propaganda.
Influence of Propaganda on Health Perception
00:22:53
Dawn Lester
And of course, that's one of the things when when you're aware of what's behind it, you know, that propaganda is used as a tool has been used as a tool. um You know, so again, that's part of what's in the you know comprehensive aspects of of the book of of looking at ah that, not not in detail, but again, knowing the the background of how these agendas have been slowly and incrementally brought in.
00:23:18
Dawn Lester
and just being ramped up and just being heightened. And you know and and so it's the boiling frog. You don't notice it when it's incremental until suddenly you just think, oh, no, this is too much. um So really, um the the psychology aspect of it, the the how important the mind and the fear that they were using to to control people. So that's ah
00:23:49
Dawn Lester
Like I say, that could have been a whole other book. I mean, not necessarily another 800 pages, but you know at least three or 400 pages.
00:23:56
Beyond Terrain
Well, I don't know. Honestly, it could be, it could be 800 because the way you're approaching it here now, like you're, you know, there's so many different aspects to it. Like you mentioned the propaganda side, how we bring it, how we've brought it in, right? Because you could do the psychology of the entire history of the germ theory, right? Because it's changed over time, the way that they've kind of convinced us that you know germs cause disease and, um you know, injections are good and, you know know, pharmaceuticals are good, right? And all these different role as these, it's so emotionally charged, all these terms, the history of the terms that are used, anti-vax is such an emotionally charged term, same as conspiracy theorists now, right? um That could be an entire section. and And on the other hand, you know, the underpinnings of causes of disease, right? And
00:24:42
Beyond Terrain
and how the mind plays a role and in that, right? And obviously the connection to the spiritual realm and um you know how the mind mind and even the the alignment of the spirit plays a role in just the creation of everything, right?
00:24:57
Beyond Terrain
Your entire existence. you know So, I mean, you could probably get into a a lot of different areas too, right? So that's really interesting.
00:25:06
Dawn Lester
Yes, yes, see yes, you've got a point. I mean, that that that could that could be, I mean, yeah, that has the potential of being a really meaty book. Yeah.
00:25:17
Dawn Lester
ah
00:25:17
Beyond Terrain
might size information can be can be pretty good too, right? So that's kind of the podcast side of things I find, right?
00:25:21
Dawn Lester
Yes, no, no.
00:25:23
Beyond Terrain
It's, it's having that balance, right? Because, you know, for me, like, um, when I'm, when I'm talking about terrain, right, you got to kind of put that hook out, right? And then once you've got them, then you hit them with the, like, hit them with the bigger stuff.
00:25:36
Beyond Terrain
Like I remember myself, like, I think like my first introduction to any sort of terrain idea was, um, inventing the AIDS virus by Peter Duesberg. Now, now, you know, looking on, uh, there's some interesting ideas surrounding Duesberg and Mullis and I'm not well versed in it, but there's obviously some interesting ideas there that I need to learn a little bit more about. Um, but that was kind of my soft launch into it. Right. And I find like introducing little tidbits of information, like,
00:26:06
Beyond Terrain
even surrounding contagion, you know, like that, cause that's the big one that people die on is this idea of contagion because it certainly seems like contagion is the thing contagion of some sort of germ or virus or whatever,
Contagion as a Psychological Concept
00:26:19
Beyond Terrain
right? People are very hung up. That seems to be a point where it's, it's that, and it's the antibiotics that I find people really get hung up on. You know, I got sick and then, you know, my whole family got sick, you know, so even just changing the terminology that I use in my day to day life,
00:26:36
Beyond Terrain
Um, you know, like the environment of your home, right? Well, what's the air quality of your home? Like everyone's eating the same diet for the most part, you know, everyone's psychologically in a similar mindset. Um, at least at a foundational level, usually like, obviously there's always going to be outliers, especially when talking about the psychological realm, but yeah, just kind of change in the whole, like the language around it is really important. I find like even talking about the immune system now, like Sometimes I make posts and I say the immune system, you know, low immune system, whatever. And people will be like, Oh, well there's no immune system. And I'm like, I agree. There's not an immune system that attacks, you know, but, but that language is familiar too. So there's this interesting balance between kind of hook and really getting into the meat and potatoes, I find, uh, which is, which is interesting. And it comes, ties into that psychology, right? Like how to make it appealing and, um, how to get more people on board, right? Because.
00:27:37
Beyond Terrain
Um, people cling on to this, to a story in a way, right. And I find empiricism is a lot of just storytelling, right. Empiricism, the, you know, in the most, in the best use can be helpful, but oftentimes we spin these stories around this data and we cling to the story. Right. And we cling to this, this, you know, just this story of how things happen and we need to know.
00:28:00
Beyond Terrain
how things happen. So just even offering that alternative perspective can be huge because that unknown not knowing is the scariest thing I find people people face. um you know But getting comfortable in the unknown is also a really important thing that I've had to go through as well.
00:28:12
Dawn Lester
Totally.
00:28:17
Dawn Lester
but it It is. the The problem is with making positive claims.
Evidence and Communication in Health
00:28:23
Dawn Lester
As you know, that that's something that quite a few of us discuss. And you know if you're going to make a positive claim, then make sure you've got something to support it. so ah But I totally understand you're wanting to use terms that are familiar, like the immune system.
00:28:41
Dawn Lester
And i I would, yes, I mean, for me again, the immune system doesn't exist as as we're told, you know. So that's how I would phrase it, that not, oh, you know, it's not, it doesn't exist. It doesn't function as we're told. So it's just using those terms. And I totally understand to find ways to communicate with people who are beginning to be open to this information or looking at it and and not wanting to put them off just by saying, oh, there's no immune system and it like shut it down. And, and you know, to to be able to bring them say, well, it doesn't exist in the way we've told. There are organs that are part of what is called the immune system that do have certain functions. So the spleen cleans the blood, that kind of thing. So that, you know, there are lymph, um lymph nodes, you know, lymph system is is also part of the cleansing system.
00:29:38
Dawn Lester
which makes sense. you know um The body does does perform self cleansing, whatever you want to call it detox. The body is cleaning itself up, clearing what it doesn't need. So that's part of what probably used to be called the immune system. It's just using the word immune to suggest that there's something to be immune to.
00:30:05
Dawn Lester
And the word immune, I still get it, i'm I'm with you on, you know, looking at definitions and the meanings of words, and and I always start there.
00:30:10
Beyond Terrain
yeah
00:30:14
Dawn Lester
So i immune means that you're protected against something, if you like, you know, that's a general, if you like a general. ah So we look at the general use of the word before we start looking at the, you know, the biology, one of the medical, you know, medical system.
00:30:30
Dawn Lester
And it just means you know that that you're protected from, or safe from getting something, or safe from something that's going to harm you.
00:30:34
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:30:37
Dawn Lester
So to a certain extent, the body is protecting itself.
00:30:39
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:30:42
Dawn Lester
So there's something correct in that. It's just because it's associated with germs and fighting these nasties, that it's trying to use other like trying to introduce and ah other language to to not muddy the waters to to just move away and and and to allow some clarity.
00:31:04
Dawn Lester
And again, to be to say, yeah we don't know everything. um So it's not, yeah, like you say, because people want that. I mean, that that's so important.
00:31:16
Dawn Lester
And and it's something that i've I've had quite a lot in the last few years. and I'm sure you know that people say, well, if it's not a germ, what is it?
00:31:22
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:31:26
Dawn Lester
And the first thing is, there isn't an it. And that it's not replacing one thing with one other thing. And it's just, it it could be a whole load of, one and which is it, you know, what, what you know, what was it it just, I don't know, I can't give you the answer. I can make a few suggestions. I can give you some ideas.
00:31:46
Dawn Lester
and Even if you answer all the questions that I ask, there may still be some factors that you don't know because you aren't aware of everything you've been exposed to. We aren't aware of everything that's in the external environment, and we don't necessarily know everything within our immediate environment, even within the home. You know, not everyone knows what chemicals are in, different things that are different products. I mean, I think people are getting more careful about the products they're using.
00:32:17
Dawn Lester
and And you were saying, you know, with um people being in the same environment, they're exposed to the same factors, shall we say. So I mean, it's not necessarily that they're toxins, but you know, the same factors that can influence their health. And you say, psychologically, they're they're all the same. I would suggest that not necessarily
00:32:40
Beyond Terrain
Sure, yeah.
00:32:40
Dawn Lester
because when you say, oh, everyone in the family, well, was it everybody? Well, actually, no, there was this, this and that. OK, so it wasn't everybody then. So there are some
Exceptions in Health Rules
00:32:51
Dawn Lester
exceptions. And this is one of the love ah brilliant things ah that I got out of inventing the AIDS virus, is that Peter Jusberg says quite clearly, and again, could be it's like not exact quote paraphrasing, but basically any exception means that you've got to look at the the rule that the exception is is to you know that it's an exception to so if there's an exception it isn't a rule you have to say well we have to start looking at this because if germs cause disease and they spread and everyone in in the family should get whatever it is that's going around and if somebody doesn't you say well there's an exception let's have a look at maybe why you know what is different
00:33:34
Dawn Lester
for them and it could be, could just simply be their mindset, their psychology, their approach, their whole um philosophy towards life. It could be different from the family because we know, or the more people I've spoken to in the yeah ah sort of, it's not even a truth movement, you know, the the the people who are, you know, the pioneers of this, most of them have said,
00:34:03
Dawn Lester
they felt different from you know the people around them. So is there's always this ah sensation of being a bit different. And so their attitude, their approach, their whole mindset, their ways of looking at life might be slightly different. and And also, I know somebody, you know, different people who've said when they believed in, you know, the germ theory, they'd get whatever it was that was going around, I'm putting, you know, air quotes, it's just, you know, um ah theoretically, you know, appeared to be going around, because they believed in it. And when they stopped believing it, and there's like, well,
00:34:41
Dawn Lester
there's nothing going around, there's nothing for me to catch, then they often wouldn't have the symptoms that everyone else or that most other people are expressing. And so it does show that the mind plays quite a role in this. And this is this is really the area that I find most fascinating. um And again, partly because of my own experience of how I felt when I had the diagnosis, so I think that's carried carried forward, you know, it just is something that feels very strong for me with that aspect.
00:35:19
Dawn Lester
um Now it's not denying the other aspects because it is important what we expose ourselves to, you know, but being aware and
00:35:27
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:30
Dawn Lester
how you approach it. So if you approach, you know, you people can have a fantastic diet, um, you know, really clean, not have exposures to all these different things and still not necessarily be healthy because of some emotional situation, maybe that they're holding onto it.
00:35:50
Dawn Lester
They could, they could be some emotional, psychological aspect to it. So, you know,
00:35:55
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, well, and just to highlight an example, I find really interesting, like in the family dynamic, because you were alluding to, you know, the differences in, in, you know, the psyche of individuals with a family, I couldn't agree more. um You know,
00:36:12
Beyond Terrain
and ah An observation that I always have is that within a family unit, mom and dad never get sick at the same time. You know, it's never at the same time because one of them needs to be able to take care of the rest. I just find that that's something that I always notice. It might, it's often closely staggered. So they do need to, you know, detoxify at similar times, likely if they have similar environmental conditions that they need to maybe detox from or replenish, right?
00:36:40
Beyond Terrain
um replenish certain factors, as you alluded to, there could be deficiencies in the environment as well, or the habits. But just something that I noticed that, you know, it's never the same time because one of them needs to be up and at them to take care of the rest of them. That's just something that I noticed. And I find that really interesting. And, you know, very, very rarely, you know, I can't even think of an example or a time where where it's like both parents are down and out with a cold or a flu, right at the same time, it's always staggered, right.
00:37:08
Dawn Lester
Hmm.
00:37:10
Beyond Terrain
So that's just a little example I kind of want to highlight there on this is sort of the way that um you can think about the psychological aspect of contagion as well, right? Like what are the what are the environmental factors that need you to you know, you need to be in a certain, you know,
00:37:28
Beyond Terrain
You need to to optimize back to your definition, like what environmental conditions are optimal for you or how is your body going to act optimally in these certain environmental
Mindset's Influence on Health
00:37:36
Beyond Terrain
conditions? Like, you know, people who work the traditional jobs and have a big presentation come up, you know, maybe if, you know, really wasn't meant to be in, they weren't prepared for the presentation or something bad was going to happen or they knew something bad was going to happen, they get sick and they have to miss it. Or they can't, they really, really can't miss it and they don't get sick and then they get sick right after or something like that. You know, like just thing, little things like that. And I think this requires.
00:37:58
Beyond Terrain
a lot of you know detective work and i trying to figure out these psychological dynamics, which can be quite complex. you know I study now psychology and I practice psychology. So um this is really something central to my my study and investigations, you know trying to figure out the psychological underpinnings. right And often you see themes that that are across the lifetime. right And um you know even through self-exploration,
00:38:23
Beyond Terrain
Throughout the COVID thing, like I didn't get sick once. Obviously I was in the mindset that, you know, I'm not going to get sick. So as soon as I allowed my body to kind of do what it needed to do. And um obviously I tied in certain psychological factors. You know, my body went through sick periods of replenishment or detox or whatever. Right. So, um, which I thought was interesting. And, you know, I made it a point, this just popped into my mind. I made it a point during the whole COVID thing that I wanted to, uh,
00:38:49
Beyond Terrain
Counteract all the plastic masks being thrown out in the ocean. There was like 2.2 million a second or so absurd number I don't remember it but I thought myself I said I'm gonna pick up every mask that I see to counteract this and I obviously they all ended up in the ocean anyways, cuz I just throw the garbage but um I did that and I was like just to kind of prove like, you know, I'm not worried about catching something like I'll touch somebody's mask like, you know what I mean? Like I and you know, like I I just kind of told a lot of people this and people would watch me like if I was on a path or something, I'd be picking up the mask. They think I'm crazy, right? But um that's kind of good sometimes.
00:39:29
Dawn Lester
And that actually is really interesting point that people who thought there was some really nasty virus going around and then just toss their mask on the ground.
00:39:29
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:39:42
Dawn Lester
I just, there were so many so many anomalies with all of this and what people were doing.
00:39:49
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:39:50
Dawn Lester
um But again, yeah, with the psychology, I mean, I find it fascinating and I see, I just, I just think from the perspective, we're all individuals. And so there, you might see patterns, but you're always going to see slight differences with different people in different circumstances in different. So it's, you know, that, that, that'll keep you um studying for a very long time because it's so much and then people change as well. So, I mean, yeah, it is absolutely fascinating with how people have,
00:40:25
Dawn Lester
acted over the last few years, um you know like like you you know knowing there was nothing that I was going to catch,
Surreal COVID Behaviors
00:40:36
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. Well.
00:40:36
Dawn Lester
made it more of a something just to to sort of observe what was going on, and very interesting from the perspective of what people were doing to each other.
00:40:45
Dawn Lester
I mean, people would walk into the road to walk around me. because I wasn't wearing a mask. And and it's like, are you not, you've just put yourself in danger to avoid something that is not, you know, just that that kind of, ah those kinds of actions really surprised me.
00:41:06
Dawn Lester
Again, very early days and things, you know, they didn't, that only happened like in 2020, but it just was, um and I kept using the word surreal. In many cases it was surreal because it transcended logic.
00:41:19
Dawn Lester
in any way. So again, that's why the psychology, such an important aspect of all of that.
00:41:24
Beyond Terrain
yeah
00:41:25
Dawn Lester
And of course, that ties in, I mean, if you want to get into it with the, the you know, the placebo, no-cebo effect, I mean, that's known. But I i think that's even calling it effect is is sort of minimising it.
00:41:36
Dawn Lester
But anyway, the so I didn't want to distract you where where you were going with this. But again, and just the the psychology of watching people observing um behaviors, how people were acting, looking and yeah, incredible.
00:41:53
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. Well, you know, I really think that we need like, like, uh, uh, almost like a spinoff of the field to look at it through the terrain perspective, which is hopefully kind of what I'm trying to achieve here. You know, hopefully in my career too, because Like looking at these events, I think can give us a lot of insight on, you know, trying to understand the human mind. You know, one thing I noticed when I study psychology and all these, you know, even like Carl Jung's and, you know, these great minds that have passed, you know, they're obviously very brilliant. um But we're still not aware of, you know, any other field like the problems with the germ theory, because they still allude to, you know, transmission and contagion of germs and stuff like that. um Even something like,
00:42:39
Beyond Terrain
ah syphilis causing psychosis, I think is a fascinating topic because and I, you know, I understand that, you know, bacteria and microbes in general have this bioremediation role where they're both they're cleaning up toxicity. So rather than saying that syphilis, the germ causes psychosis, I would say, you know, it certainly seems to be that toxicity can cause this, right? And so they're kind of missing the mark there a little bit ah of of what the real causes are.
00:43:07
Beyond Terrain
here and what we should be looking at and how we should be looking at healing these situations as well, right? um Obviously, psychos can be caused by many other things other than toxicity, right? Psychological factors and experiences, um stuff like that. And obviously, there's always a complex interplay between the two as well, between, and the Bigglesons, we talked about this a lot, right? The interplay between, um you know, emotional scarring and holding on to toxicity in the body, stuff like that. so um But yeah, I think that's really important to kind of look at psychology through this terrain perspective, right? Because I find that there's this huge alignment with, you know, with obviously this the physical realm, and it's all chemical, right? Like, this this sort of underlying reality that that seems to be like the fabric in a way, right? And shapes kind of gives this lattice of of how things occur, right? and
00:44:01
Beyond Terrain
Um, as above, so below is, is sort of what I'm alluding to here, right? Right on the physical level. We can think of this in the same way as the psychological level, or at least, you know, there, there are patterns that, that hold true. And that's why I really love the study of alchemy. That's why Carl Jung wasn't so far off, you know, and I find in studying his work, it's given me a lot of insight in, you know, how the body works on a physical level, right? You know, his interpretation of transmutation of the psyche and, you know,
00:44:28
Beyond Terrain
purifying the body and you know integration become the best version of yourself stuff like that like a lot of this can be applied if you just change the words to to physical physical factors, so um I just find it find it so interesting and Yeah, just the like the psychology of Covid was just you know, obviously a lot of self-reflection, you know, even ah even on my side, you know because transitioning in that time.
Personal Health Journey During COVID
00:44:56
Beyond Terrain
That was really when I had my transition, right? It was like 2020 when I really went from that one side to the next. um And, you know, even my own journey, kind of feeling like I was this black sheep and whatever, like, you know, like I've talked about this a little bit, but that, that, that was a big thing for my own, you know, alchemical transmutation.
00:45:16
Beyond Terrain
um of my mind and my being, right? And at this point, you know, if it were to happen again, it would be, you know, a whole different situation, how I would approach it and how I would interact with people. And, um you know, because there was so much hostility, right? And it was from, it wasn't just from those that were in the store yelling at me for not wearing a mask, right? Like it was this, there was this interplay, right? With myself too. So um just just a fascinating time and and something that needs to be talked about and looked at ah a lot more. The Psychology of COVID, that could be an interesting book too.
00:45:46
Dawn Lester
Mm, definitely. The the interesting, um yes yeah, I mean, all of that is fascinating. and and And I agree, you know, I'm, i'm I find it as fascinating. I haven't done a deep dive into Carl Jung's work. i'm I am looking at a lot of different material that shows how our mind plays such an important role in in symptoms that are regarded as physical, as structural. and And I know with the Bigussons, you know, they say that if you, you know, you're sort of changing your ideas and then and then have some structural, you know, it so it's structural as well as mental and and it's always both and it's always good to to look at both. So it's always holistic. um But regarding, you know, calling yourself, you know, the like the black sheep, this is this is all part of how they were playing on people.
00:46:42
Dawn Lester
and saying, you know, because they know we are social beings. And so you don't want to be the one that stands out, do you? You don't want to be the one that's, you know, puts your head above the crowd. Oh, you know, because everyone will look at you and it's what people think of you. And it's all that is just laid on and laid on. And and so many people followed on because they didn't want to stand out, even though I'm sure there were a lot of people from what I've heard people say, this is not just pure speculation, but from conversations I've had.
00:47:17
Dawn Lester
There are a lot of people who were saying, what's going on, who were asking, almost asking themselves, but they didn't know where to get the information to find out.
00:47:28
Dawn Lester
So they went along because they didn't know they could do anything else. And sometimes they didn't want to do things that they were asked to do, but they did because they didn't know
00:47:39
Beyond Terrain
yeah
00:47:41
Dawn Lester
what else to do, how how not to do, whatever it was, how to stand up for themselves. Again, this is so important because the the whole indoctrination system that's called school um teaches people, and teaches children and then grow up to be, you know, grown up children, you know. um And, you know, I'm this is, I'm i'm including myself, I've learnt a lot in the last few years and you know growing up and becoming an adult and standing up for yourself, taking responsibilities, is that whole thing of questioning and you know this question has got, you're given information, you're asked a question, you give the right answer and if you give the wrong answer you're like oh you know this is bad and again it's always this
00:48:31
Dawn Lester
dichotomism is either this or that when for the most part it's not as simple, it's not black and white, there are other shades of you know I won't say gray but there's all sorts of shades you know it's white light is made up of lots of different colors so there's all parts to it and we are all different it's just that that idea because we are I don't know, say tribal, I don't know, certainly just social. So we want to be with others, we don't want to be ostracized. It's just many of us just had to say, okay, i'll I've got to be the black sheep, I can't not speak out, i have you know, um and tough though it is, you know, like with you, ah looking at the whole injection, you know, all of that, it's just,
00:49:24
Dawn Lester
I'm not ready for that. And you go, okay, now I'm ready for it. Just, all right, I, what do I do with this? And, and, and eventually just allow it to, zi at well, it is, where am I stuck? Am I, is, is it my, uh, conditioning that is stopping me from being open to this information? Or is it because there is something that I don't think is actually correcting that information. And then again, you know, information, just information, it's it's how we interpret it. this And this is the other thing, of course, there's, you know, different people giving different interpretations of these different ideas. And that's what's causing a lot of problems and a lot of infighting and just, and that's, again, I don't think that's unintentional because while we're fighting each other, we're not creating
Finding Common Ground in Health Discussions
00:50:19
Dawn Lester
solutions. So again, that's just
00:50:21
Dawn Lester
it was I mean, everyone knows about the you know divide and conquer strategy. So as you know I wrote about that just because you know I just felt so strongly, come on, have a look, see what they're doing. Okay, we might not agree, but let's at least you know find things that we do agree with, find find the similarities, find where we have some kind of common ground and not just part because we don't agree on this one little thing. You say, okay, well,
00:50:50
Dawn Lester
I see it that way, I see it that way. Oh, okay, can we learn something from each other? Have a conversation, keep it. Okay, because I have discussions with some people where we have different views on certain things. Fortunately, in most cases, with stayed friends, most cases, not always, but just, and at the same time, I'm still learning. So I may be shifting from something I thought five years ago. It's like I'm looking at things differently and I'm thinking,
00:51:21
Dawn Lester
OK, it might not be that. Let's have a look. And it it it is that, like you said, it's being that comfortable in the I don't know. And that's where the indoctrination called school says, well, you're either right or wrong.
00:51:34
Dawn Lester
And saying I don't know is apparently not acceptable. And and I think it it has we have to find a way of allowing that to be acceptable to say, well, actually, I don't know.
00:51:34
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:51:46
Dawn Lester
Oh, that's interesting. Maybe I'll have a look. you know, tell me what you think. Hmm, that sounds interesting. I'm not sure. I'll have a look at it. Because again, also, but but multiple sources for whatever information you're looking at. So it's, yeah, it is complex and fascinating is fascinating area and very interesting. And, and it's somewhere where I don't think there are fixed answers. Again, you know, we just we're all different, let's have a look at how this works. And because we're different, we are, and again, if you want to go to the, if you like, the spiritual level as to who we truly are, which is, again, the starting point for me, ah well over 20 years ago of, you know, understanding yeah the nature of, or learning, not understanding it, starting my journey to understand the nature of reality, who we are and what this is.
00:52:41
Dawn Lester
and where and and knowing this is a type of experience and what we can do with this experience. So yeah,
00:52:50
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:52:50
Dawn Lester
um
00:52:51
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:52:51
Dawn Lester
but very very interesting and and so many avenues so many avenues to go down, but definitely the the power of our own thoughts, our own mind, taking responsibility to then influence our own experiences is is key to that, I think.
00:53:09
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. yeah No, I think that's, that's, uh, that's great. And, um, you know, i I feel like even in finding my own voice and through my own self exploration, like becoming me, right.
00:53:23
Dawn Lester
and
00:53:23
Beyond Terrain
This has been a big part of even interacting with other people. Cause now I'll talk about, like, I'll talk with pharmacists and doctors and stuff, and I'll talk about this stuff. Right. And, you know, even just asking them questions, not even coming from like, uh, you know, this is the way it is standpoint, just asking them questions I've had, I found that.
00:53:41
Beyond Terrain
you tend to agree a lot more with people than you disagree with them, especially if you're trying to focus on what you agree. And I've found a lot more positive changes in just looking at these fundamental things that you agree on. you know like um I find generally, you know a lot of the people that I talk to, even pharmacists and doctors, you know don't agree with compulsory injections, stuff like that. right like For the most, like from from my experience, you know when you approach it and in a certain way, right like from a, you know, what do we agree on, on even an ethical standpoint? You know, like, is this really an ethical thing that we can that we can do, right? Because, you know, one thing about school as well is that, of course, you're taught information, you're taught about what's right and what's wrong, and you're not allowed to say, I don't know, right? this ah Like, you get tested on what is right and what is wrong, and you're told what is right and what is wrong. You're also told what is right and what is wrong when it comes to ethics, especially doctors and people in the field, work practitioners,
00:54:42
Beyond Terrain
um you know They're told ethically what's right and what's wrong, but any sort of ethical exploration usually yields different results than what they were told is ethically right. you know like um Just even the way to approach healing and approach you know approach working with individuals on a very fundamental level, you know is is you know it'd be interesting to to sit in on some of those classes on ethics in a med school right like and see what's what's really being talked about because um it certainly doesn't align with Hippocrates and not to say that Hippocrates had it all right, but um you know i mean they don't they don't swear the oath anymore for for a reason, you know first do no harm.
00:55:28
Dawn Lester
i was good to I was going to say the same thing about that oath because if in terms of ethics, um you know, do no harm, are they aware?
00:55:28
Beyond Terrain
and
00:55:36
Dawn Lester
The thing is, I don't think they're allowed to become aware. I mean, sorry to talk across you, but that's because I was thinking exactly the same thing.
00:55:42
Beyond Terrain
No, please.
00:55:43
Dawn Lester
That's the ethic. It is, are you aware that there is harm? And I think maybe they're conditioned to believe that there isn't harm.
00:55:57
Dawn Lester
or that they are just not aware, or the trainer, I'm not sure, but as you say, that that would be a really interesting class to to to sit at the back of, ah you know, ethics class in medical school.
00:56:11
Beyond Terrain
Absolutely. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. No. And even just probing like about scientific papers and about scientific method as well, because often you'll hear, you know, like, you know, I'll at the gate, I'll ask like, Oh, have you read the papers on, you know, injections, right? And they'll say, Oh yes. Yeah, I read it. Nice skill. I'll say, well, what are your thoughts on controlling these injections with the exact same ingredients, you know, like aluminum hydroxides or yeah, aluminum hydroxide has never been tested. Um, you know, by itself.
00:56:40
Beyond Terrain
like with saline, you know, why don't they use saline as the control? Why do they have to use aluminum in the control? Doesn't that seem counterintuitive to what a like scientific method is? You know, and they'll be like, Oh, actually, like, I never even read the method section, I just read the results, or I just read the discussion, right? And it's like, I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm like, they don't test it against saline. So like, you know, the You know, the results are, yeah, 3000 people got adverse effects in the control group and 3000 people got it in the experimental group. And it's no wonder because they're both getting injected in with aluminum. You know, I'm like, why are we controlling that? And they're like, oh, that's actually really interesting. I never, they're like, are all papers like that? I'm like, yeah, actually like pretty well. Every single paper's like that. If you find me a paper comparing, you know, an injection versus saline, I love to read it because I haven't found one yet, you know, like the,
00:57:28
Beyond Terrain
just kind of approaching it from that curiosity standpoint, just stuff like that. you know like I find that's a much more productive and you know less confrontational way, right a more social way to go about it. right Because I have a lot of people around me that work in healthcare care and I know that they're good people at heart and I know that they're doing it for the right reasons. I think generally most people are, obviously have some people that are money hungry, but that's in every every single thing. right like yeah you know and And weeding that out is is important, using some discernment there.
00:57:59
Beyond Terrain
But yeah, just kind of approaching it. We are social beings. I think that that's, that's, that's a fantastic point. And just saying it with a smile on your face is what I always do.
00:58:10
Beyond Terrain
a was done Listen, I'd love to get some final thoughts on, on the episode here and just anything that you want to add or any comments that you have on that I'd i'd love to hear.
00:58:11
Dawn Lester
o
00:58:20
Dawn Lester
um Well, yes, I think your approach of asking questions is is a good one, whether you're talking to um people in the medical field or anywhere else, because, you know, there's so much dissension, there's so much conflict and the way to stop that is to not ah support it ah in any way or to to find ways
Using Questions to Foster Understanding
00:58:49
Dawn Lester
around it. So, as you say, ah when people say, well, you know, how how can I tell if it it's just ask questions and see if people are open and and just find a way to to show first of all that we're not these funny conspiracy theorists, we're not weirdos, we're not, you know, whatever it is. We are, you know, we, we
00:59:09
Dawn Lester
You know, we were the same as them some at some point. It's just that we started looking and we found something. And now just, you know, I've just got a different view. And so it's it's all part of a learning journey and I've looked at it. I just, yeah, asking asking questions, keeping it keeping it friendly, not confrontational. And I think absolutely that's that's one of the ways to help bridge this this gap. And i I think there are intentional players out there who are fueling the fire of conflict as well. So to not, I don't know, find ways around all of that. Again, you know, discernment with who you're talking to, whether it's face to face or, you know, on online social media or wherever it is to tip have some discernment. And I think just
01:00:07
Dawn Lester
state the case fairly straightforward and again yeah ask questions when people say oh you know um whatever and they say well you know can you show me the evidence for whatever it is you're saying quite often it goes quiet you know they don't come back but anyway so but yes the um as i say the the power of the mind that whole psychological part of it is is just so important and as i'm saying you know with the placebo nocebo effect i think that's that's an understatement of of that power.
01:00:37
Dawn Lester
um And that's recognizing that then is a way of taking, let's say, taking back our power, recognizing our own power of what we can do, how we can control, ah that influence our own experiences.
01:00:38
Beyond Terrain
down.
01:00:54
Dawn Lester
And um did the other thing get again, you know, with the whole idea of being ill, that the when we have symptoms, it's not to see them as there's something wrong with us, because again, that's that's the whole thing, and it's just to recognize it, and to be comfortable with saying, okay, this is what my body is doing, and to learn to listen to the body, because it's usually giving us messages, and it's, it's again, a skill that we've lost, that we're learning relearning,
01:01:21
Dawn Lester
to listen to the body, to to to know what it's telling us. So, you know, if it's saying, um have a rest, you know, just, yeah, because when symptoms come up, how have a rest because the body needs that time to to help itself rebalance, you know, get back to homeostasis. So again, it's this, yeah, there's so much more, there's so much more to say, but as you say, the the psychological aspect is is really important, it is.
01:01:48
Dawn Lester
um ah I mean, if if anyone's interested in the book, it's what really makes you ill. It's available on Amazon, um most Amazons. I know people don't like that. and There, it's also available on some ah online stores, online bookstores. I also write, as I said, for Substack, my Substack's DawnLester.substack.com. It's called Dawn's Writings. I've got quite a few articles on there. Recently one on a subject that's come up about assisted dying because that's, that again is problematic area of for me. I'm sorry, I could go into that, but the um one of the parts that's problematic is the idea that people are given a terminal diagnosis. And again, that's the the psychological aspect that the medical system knows
01:02:45
Dawn Lester
ah always is appearing to know something that they they don't actually know what these diseases, how the body works. So ah that for me is one of the areas that I find that that people need to be more aware of that aspect too, because then they just buy into the, a lot of people buy into the fear with the diagnosis, the prognosis, because, you know, the idea is that, you know,
01:03:11
Dawn Lester
they've ah it's a terminal, it's just all of this terminology, like we were saying before, with the words that are used, set up ideas, psychology, you know, just some more than ideas, but set up something in in the psyche that the person, the patient can actually just take it in, accept it and and fulfill the prognosis, even though there's not necessarily sufficient pathology in their body to to warrant their actual death. and And that's been the case many times. So again, this is where the the situation is. um
01:03:48
Dawn Lester
you know ah Like you say, the medical people, they went into the the profession for the right reason.
01:03:50
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
01:03:55
Dawn Lester
It's just the some of the information they've they've been trained in is doesn't accurately reflect how the body works, shall we say?
01:04:05
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. Very nice. Yeah. Well, it sounds like we're going to have to do another episode in the future.
01:04:12
Dawn Lester
Sounds like a wonderful idea.
01:04:12
Beyond Terrain
Could probably go on and on. Yeah.
01:04:15
Dawn Lester
Sounds like a wonderful idea. Yeah, no, I'd love to. It's just just been great. Yeah, I mean, it's just gone by so quickly, so much.
01:04:20
Beyond Terrain
You know, it really has.
01:04:21
Dawn Lester
And yeah, that'd be wonderful.
01:04:22
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. Lots of fun. Well, listen, I really appreciate your time and all the wisdom that you shared today. So thank you so much for coming on.
01:04:29
Dawn Lester
Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. but It's been an absolute pleasure talking to you.
01:04:34
Beyond Terrain
Great. Of course, I want to thank you all for listening. You shall all know that this is not medical advice for your informational purposes only, but also remember that we're all sovereign, responsible beings, capable of thinking, criticizing, and understanding absolutely anything. We, the people in the greater forest are together, self-healer, self-governable, self-teacher, so much more.
01:04:50
Beyond Terrain
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