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Mike Winner on Freedom, Knowing Oneself, Balance, Decentralization, AI and More!
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In this episode, we’re joined by Mike Winner for a powerful discussion on freedom, community, and questioning modern paradigms. We start with the fundamental question: How can we truly be free?—exploring the mindset and practical steps needed to cultivate personal sovereignty.
From there, we dive into the importance of nature and community, emphasizing how reconnecting with both can lead to a more meaningful and fulfilling life. Mike shares his perspective on finding purpose by doing what you love and the key to achieving balance in an increasingly chaotic world.
We then shift gears into decentralization, discussing its role in shaping the future of governance, technology, and personal autonomy. Mike also breaks down the idea of understanding thy terrain, exploring holistic perspectives on health and wellness.
Challenging mainstream narratives, we examine assumptions in modern science, questioning dominant models and the ways in which they shape our understanding of reality. Finally, we discuss AI, its potential impacts, and how to navigate the rapidly evolving technological landscape.
This episode is packed with thought-provoking insights and actionable ideas. Don’t miss it!
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:01
Beyond Terrain
Welcome, everyone, to another episode of The Beyond Trade Podcast. I'm your host, Liam Dalton. If you're new around here, want to consider subscribing or following the show if you're listening to the podcast version. And if you like the show, give us a like, review, comment, share, rating, all that stuff. We'd much appreciate it to help us grow, help get the word out there. ah We have a fantastic guest today, this gentleman. i I've listened to a lot of his his work, i read a little bit of his his stuff as well. um Fantastic mind, great mind. Really, really happy to have him on the terrain team and just in sort of this, the true health freedom community. I've learned a lot from him. And and so I certainly owe a lot of, of what I know to to him and and a lot of motivation as well. Right. So um obviously the Alphavated podcast is is one of the best out there in my opinion. And so really grateful to have this, this conversation with you today, Mike, thank you so much for for coming on and sharing your time.
00:00:55
Mike Winner
Oh, my pleasure, brother. Anytime I can come on and chat terrain and freedom and all that jazz, uh, it's what I get off on. So glad to be here. Thanks for doing what you're doing.
00:01:07
Beyond Terrain
Thank you. Yeah. I feel the same way. Feel the same way. All right.
Health as Freedom and Podcast Evolution
00:01:12
Beyond Terrain
I start vi all my podcasts off asking a little introductory question. I get the guests to define health. So what does health mean to you? What does it look like? How does it manifest? You can take it in any direction that you like. It's kind of a big question. I'm eager to hear what you have to say about it.
00:01:26
Mike Winner
Health, to me, is freedom. It really is. It's the i internal light of knowing oneself. Knowing thyself is where health comes from and is, for me, paramount to for true self-governance. Without understanding of what health is, we can't really understand who we are, why we're here, and all those big questions, right? um It is paramount for the deeper Gnosis that um comes with, you know, knowing how to heal oneself, which is really where, um, like where alpha Vedic comes out of, um, our podcast we've been doing since two, that really since 2018, we started, uh, dabbling in 2017, but started going out there actually more like 2019, but the whole,
00:02:22
Mike Winner
It's kind of opened up into all these other conversations around history and law and commerce and the nature of reality. And it all had stumped, stemmed from health for a reason, because if we can't know who we are and and how this miraculous body functions, um, then we really can't go into those other places yet. So for us, it is foundational, uh, and it truly is the key to ah knowledge, wisdom, and all that is wonderful in this life that we have been given.
00:02:57
Beyond Terrain
beautiful, amazing answer, amazing answer. its Pretty unique one. We've been doing this 70 episodes now and um I just love how, you know, every week we have a new definition, a new way of looking at it and it's just so
Personal Sovereignty and Mentorship
00:03:11
Beyond Terrain
special. So thank you for that. I appreciate that. You mentioned freedom, you know, getting to know yourself. Those are like some of the biggest topics. I know like my own personal journey on becoming a sovereign individual. Not that I was never, I was not a sovereign individual before, but kind of realizing my sovereignty and the freedom that I have within me, you know, because we're not taught this from from birth, obviously. And um it's something that I kind of had to rediscover in a way and and learn. um i Maybe I'd love to hear a little bit about your kind of journey ah on rediscovering your own sovereignty freedom and freedom and maybe even just a few helpful tips on, you know, how do you start
00:03:52
Beyond Terrain
To be free. How do you even be free? Right? and I know it's very simple, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
00:03:59
Mike Winner
Well, I know this is cliche, but it really is the inside out approach and I love that that this idea has become cliche in 2025.
00:04:09
Mike Winner
It means that really the Great Awakening is upon us. And ah for me personally, I will say I've had the benefit of having mentors in my life that have really helped guide me in this path.
00:04:24
Mike Winner
One being Dr. Berlando, who I do the AlphaCast podcast with and who I'm partners with with an AlphaVedic. And then my my father, my mother.
00:04:35
Mike Winner
I'm so blessed to have loving parents that I get to see almost every day who live up the street from me and who have helped guide me in and really supported me in my own exploration of you know finding my way, finding
00:04:40
Beyond Terrain
Wow.
Purpose and Life's Diversity
00:04:50
Mike Winner
my path.
00:04:50
Mike Winner
And really, I'm a huge believer in um the hero's arc, the hero's story that we all have to live. and that we've all signed up for a specific mission while we're here. And in doing that, um it's paramount that we express that through our own sovereignty. ah This isn't somebody else's story. This isn't an external officialdom's ah ah way of being for us, right? This is are our specific path that we've all chosen here to embody and to explore. And I think one of the greatest tragedies of the modern era
00:05:26
Mike Winner
is we've forgotten this, most people have lost track of this and have no idea what their their true purpose is. So I believe without purpose, um we can't have sovereignty. So that's so critical, right, is that we find what that what that mission is, right? What that that hero's journey is for each and every one of us. And it can be ah something as simple as, ah you know, um finding your way in a specific vocation is like a carpenter or a tradesman, or it could be something as great as being a community leader or somebody who's ah fighting crime or, as you know, ah I mean, the beautiful thing about this experience in life is the
00:06:11
Mike Winner
ah the scope and fractality of the human experience and how we can find beauty in the simplest ah interaction with ah somebody a stranger on the street to um championing ah peace, love, and freedom in an event like Music in Sky. And so everybody has the ability to find us in their life. And I think it just comes first and foremost with the awareness that this is the reality that we all have to engage with and experience.
00:06:41
Beyond Terrain
yeah Yeah, very nice. I love how this intertwines with meaning and purpose. and um you know i mean I mean, that's central to health and wellbeing as well,
Pandemic Reflection and Nature's Healing
00:06:51
Beyond Terrain
right? like Even ah reflecting back on my journey, it all came hand in hand. you know I went through the traditional schooling system, I did biochemistry and molecular, and halfway through my degree,
00:07:03
Beyond Terrain
you know I kind of had to take a good look at myself and realize like like ask myself, is this is this the the meaning that you want? right Because I almost had this pseudo type of meaning. So I really think this speaks to a lot like the power of reflection too, because I thought I was on this meaningful path.
00:07:20
Beyond Terrain
I was pursuing dentistry. I wanted to go be a dental surgeon and make all this money and have it a multinational corporation. and you know like that was I thought that this was going to be the most meaningful path for me.
00:07:27
Mike Winner
and Yeah.
00:07:31
Beyond Terrain
I wanted it to be a billionaire. right And I was you know i was like in grade 11 when I thought this up, so I was kind of young and you're still probably a little stupid. and um you know like It's just funny, but but I had myself convinced and then um COVID was the biggest blessing because it allowed me to take some time to reflect and say, is this my path? is this Am I going to be 80, 90 years old looking back on my life thinking, wow, I'm really happy that I did that?
00:07:59
Beyond Terrain
and That's what shifted you know my my journey towards the things that have brought me the most meaning, like looking at my health, like looking at my freedom and sovereignty.
00:08:13
Beyond Terrain
What is going to be purposeful? Doing this podcast, you know connecting with some amazing people. you know It's amazing how that really spurred it on for me, even just going outside and sitting in nature and just sitting there, not bringing my phone and not
00:08:26
Mike Winner
no
00:08:30
Beyond Terrain
even journaling, just sitting there and listen to the birds chirp. And for some reason this just allowed me to go in, you know, like the healing powers of nature, man. That's what I, I keep coming back to time and time again. Any, any thoughts on, on that?
00:08:46
Mike Winner
Well, yeah, I mean, you touched on so many important things right there. I mean, first and foremost, I would say we live in a communal realm. um
00:08:55
Beyond Terrain
yeah
00:08:56
Mike Winner
And we are communal creatures and we require each other ah to exist here. If we were um all by ourselves, we wouldn't last long.
00:09:07
Mike Winner
and There's this idea of like the lone wolf will not outlast the apocalypse, right? It's I'm a huge huge fan of community and The only way that that really works is when we are in service to each other and I believe that is really one of the key elements towards Success right in in wealth and you know, of course in modern times wealth is measured ah in a conventional way through like you were saying, um you know greenbacks and and and dollar bills and all that and and our bank account and I find it quite um inspirational that your generation
00:09:44
Mike Winner
ah especially because I'm a Gen Xer that was like really sold on that, right? Like you think of Gen X, you think of like the movie Wall Street and um you know the ah guys with the slick back hair, American psychos that are ah comparing their business cards. And I was i was also definitely ah massively affected by that. It's funny, you were saying a billionaire that just goes to show and how much we've inflated our currency. Because when I was that age, I was saying my goal was to be a millionaire By the time I was 30 and I would then be truly wealthy and what happened was actually I found the love of my life when I was married at 30.
00:10:22
Mike Winner
and realize that that was really what I was aiming for as a youth, was i it was that. And so wealth, like how do we judge and value wealth um is so, so important for health. there's I mean, they're only a letter off, right? That first letter and really health is wealth. And when we can understand that idea of service and how those immeasurable but yet tangible and qualitative aspects of of the ledger, right, of when we go out and our service to our fellow brothers and sisters every day, um nature will in tune deliver and all the wealth you will ever require to subsist here.
Balancing Life Aspects
00:11:12
Mike Winner
And I think that is one of the truly miraculous and the big secret, if you will, of how this place works. It's a give and give more reality. And nature shows us that every day if we just go observe her. ah So yeah, it's... um For me, nature is a reflection yeah of that true, deep um desire within us to be of service and to embody ah that that Christ energy, if you will, right? That that ah expression of love. And nature is loving. Nature is here to support us in our journey towards experience true consciousness and true evolution of that consciousness, towards
00:11:58
Mike Winner
a higher way of being ah so yeah it's um I do see that one of the pitfalls of modern times is this pure worship this like bacchanalian hedonistic worship of nature and so there's like this weird um Inversion that we see like we see it like in the on the left and in this like environmentalist movements and stuff where there's this like pure worship of nature where we demean the human consciousness and the importance of that and And so for me, it's balance right? It's like balancing that that innate humanness of the imagination to create and why we're here with the support of nature nature is really here to support us and when We embrace that and we actually exude our true power. Then we're here on the flip side but in that balance spectrum supporting her. And we are at a massive imbalance in terms of like if we look at just conventional modern times and society and the in the culture that we're in, there's a massive imbalance there. So finding that balance is also health, right? Like that's a huge part of health is the balance between the spiritual and the physical.
00:13:12
Mike Winner
the balance and understanding and respecting the physical, but also understanding that we are much more than that. And so that's something that I'm always trying to inspire in others through my actions and through um my message is going out and truly embracing mother nature, but also realizing that we have a duty to be of service to her as well. It's ah it's a feedback loop, if you will.
00:13:39
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, very, very well put. Yeah. I mean, always just so amazingly positive. That's why I'm so glad that we're having this conversation today. Um, you know, I think you mentioned a lot of great things and I just wanted to know, you know, on giving, like being able to give your time and your energy to something for me was one of also the most helpful ways to find what is meaningful for me. You know, I wanted to study power train and, you know, alternative health modalities, different stuff like that. I was so enveloped by that. I loved the study of it and I could do it all day for free. So I thought, what, I could take this to the next level. That's why I did the podcast, right? So I can get, I can share, I can learn at the same time because, you know, I'm always learning for the, for the rest of my life. You know, that's the, the other journey that was kind of sparked there with all this, but, um, just finding out what I could do for free.
00:14:38
Beyond Terrain
and not want anything in return. you know And I mean, the returns are always tenfold, especially I feel like when you have a ah giving mindset because the return is connecting with these amazing people and um you know all the amazing feedback and and friends that I've made along the way.
00:14:57
Beyond Terrain
You know, I have conversations with people all the time about the topics that I love, you know, it just comes back at like it exponentially. So, um, I think that that's a really kind of more tangible thing, you know, on your path for looking for meaning and purpose.
00:15:11
Beyond Terrain
It's like, find what you can do for free and just do it and don't expect anything in return. Just do it because you love it and give it your all become the best version of yourself, stuff like that. Um, Yeah.
00:15:22
Mike Winner
Well, and you hit um on something important because you love it. because you love it.
00:15:26
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:15:27
Mike Winner
So Dr. Bear and I didn't start AlphaCast because we were, it was like a marketing campaign for AlphaVatic. We literally did it because we were passionate about talking about this stuff and it was fun.
00:15:39
Mike Winner
Like we did it because we didn't even know, it was like an experiment. We just, you know, we're like, hey, should we just like start this thing and just, you know, for fun and see if people care about what we're talking about?
00:15:49
Mike Winner
Because we had had like a decade of these conversations over the phone and in person we're like, wow, you know, I think people might like to hear this, you know, it's kind of trippy stuff. And I and and Barry, you bring a lot of value to the world. And I just want to give this to the world. And I like doing it. So let's try it out. And I think those who, you know, even like Joe Rogan, people may and you know, in certain circles in the truth or world,
00:16:14
Mike Winner
ah put him down and stuff. And yeah, there's a lot of issues with when you get that big and maybe not going all the way.
00:16:16
Beyond Terrain
You're food.
00:16:20
Mike Winner
But the the reason why he found so much success because I was an early adopter of the Rogan podcast. I was working in Hollywood. I had my ah editor buddy and partner ah was he told me, Hey, you know, this guy, Joe Rogan started this podcast and podcasting was very fresh.
00:16:35
Mike Winner
I was listening to Adam Carolla and a couple others at that time. Um, and it wasn't really until Rogan, um, came out that I got really into podcasting and what was he doing? He was sitting on a couch with his buddy BSing and having fun. Right. And it was in the point is it super organic, right? And it's in, when you're do things with the real intention of ah being authentic, right? And doing it for the passion and the love just to do it and just to do it because you love it.
00:17:04
Mike Winner
That's when you find success, right? And so it doesn't have to be hard, like service doesn't have to be this thing where, um you know, where you have to give up all all the fun and and and make it
Materialism vs. Spirituality
00:17:17
Mike Winner
difficult. um You know, it can be quite, it's it is rewarding, but it can also be, it should be fun.
00:17:25
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, yeah, well put, well put. In your last ah answer there, you were you were mentioning tying in the physical and the spiritual and that just kind of spurred on some thoughts for me. you know I think there was probably a time where especially initially on my journey, you know, where I went from being very materialistic to almost going over the edge and too spiritual and all this physical stuff doesn't matter. Um, and it was just as unhelpful as materialism, you know, and, and I, through this finding this balance, it was a necessary to find, you know, the spiritual side of, of myself in this realm, but like in the grand scheme of things, but, um,
00:18:10
Beyond Terrain
you know, tying it back into this balance was really important. And through the study of alchemy really was, was one of the most helpful things for me. Um, kind of understanding this, you know, this duality, I know it's probably more of like a Trinity than anything, but, um, understanding that, that there's more, there's more than just,
00:18:34
Beyond Terrain
uh, black and white and there, there needs to be this balance and balance is just something that I always come back to. You want to talk about health. You want to talk about financial wealth through, you know, dollar, you say dollar bills.
00:18:46
Beyond Terrain
We say loonies up here in Canada.
00:18:49
Mike Winner
yeah
00:18:50
Beyond Terrain
Um, you know, like if you want to measure it that way, there needs to be balanced there as well. You know, there needs to be balanced in, um, in every aspect of your life. Right. So I think that's a really, really important thing.
00:19:00
Beyond Terrain
Maybe. I could hear a little bit more about your thoughts on on balance and even tying it into alchemical tradition a little bit. Cause I know you guys talk a lot about that too on the podcast.
00:19:08
Mike Winner
Yeah. Well, I mean, you mentioned something about the Trinity and I think we do live in a triune reality and that is inherent imbalance. So, if you think about just a physical means of balancing like a—a seesaw. A seesaw has a duality but in the middle is the fulcrum or the balances. So you have one side, you know, you could say you have spirit and the other side you have the body, right? And in the middle you have the soul. And the soul, so those—that's the sort of the—the three a—aspects of um—of alchemy and the soul is
00:19:47
Mike Winner
is—and our true essence, it's our immortality and it is how we balance. So it is—we have the innate ability to always balance because it's built within us. And so I think I'm a huge fan of that element of that aspect of alchemy. and um Alchemy um in the same way, can't is it's two-fold in terms of it's both materialistic in the sense that you do Spigerics and yes, you can turn lead to gold, all of that. um And is ah it's also relating to the spiritual alchemy like the alchemical wedding ah within us and everything to do with um transcending that duality in the end.
00:20:30
Mike Winner
So, um yeah, it's, alchemy is truly um the science of all sciences. It is the spirit science ah that is based and grounded in the qualitative side of measurement, um where chemistry sort of got mired and which comes chemistry comes out of alchem, alchem, you know, chemistry, the chem, ah ah which really is um mired in just the pure one-sided, right? And as we say on Alpha, on Alpha Cast and we relate this to like Walter Russell and stuff, there's a focus on just the death cycle of the the wave. And in the wave, we have a continuation of death life, death life, death life. um And in in the middle is the fulcrum, which is Walter Russell would explain is the ah still white light of mind or the mind of God.
00:21:26
Mike Winner
So yeah, it's important for us to always go back to balance but also to have grace and understanding that in that teeter tottering of the balance um Sometimes we'll go heavy on one side and that's okay ah That's part of the experience here in this realm of duality um And it's I think important for us not to get so hard on ourselves in the spiritual path but it's important to be on that path and I think that What's really been exciting for me in the last four years since the COVID-19 erectus, idiot, you know, stuff that was going on was that a lot of people were initiated. It was a great initiation onto the spiritual path. And we saw that with um I do an event called Music in Sky that we launched in 2020 during the height of the COVID scare in California. And it was really all about this. It was all about
00:22:23
Mike Winner
engaging in the body through breath work and movement and, ah and really focusing on ah our grounding into nature. And then so that is the ah music side, right? So music side is on that duality is that like,
00:22:40
Mike Winner
is the expression of our body and of our our true innate humanness. And in the sky, art is the spirit. It's the heady topics. It's the ideas that get into consciousness and where we can go outside of our body. And then um the and in the middle, I guess, would be the sort of grounding it in our soul um as a community. And so without community, without the soul of community, um this all can just kind of um deteriorate or go super one way and like new AG and way too spiritual or get way too ah marred in the physicality of the fear of of things right and the fear of being sick or or um infection and all those things. So um yeah it's ah really important for us to understand these topics and understand these ideas because um with that we can have um knowledge and then with
00:23:39
Mike Winner
With that, when we use that knowledge, we impart upon the world wisdom.
Community and Action
00:23:43
Mike Winner
And wisdom is the action of knowledge, actually using the knowledge in our lives. And um when we do that, we inspire others to learn and to wake up and to follow in that path. And that for me is so important is that we do.
00:24:00
Mike Winner
We go out and we do the things. So you started a podcast because you wanted to take these ideas and put them out to the world. So you're doing something. So we can't forget the need to do things. And that's something that Bear and I and the alphabetic crew are always doing. Like we have our own company. We make our own products to self-fund ourselves. i'm Sure, we do a podcast, but I do events. I travel. like I try to live in the world, not be of it, but, um you know, definitely be in it and experience as much as I can.
00:24:31
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely a lot of, uh, people nowadays are kind of stuck in the consumption side of things. And, um, you know, obviously it's, it's very easy to kind of fall into that trap and something that I come back to a little bit because, uh, and my wife would agree with this, that um, it can be a little bit of an extremist sometimes and, uh, you know, really go hard when I want to go hard. And, um,
00:24:59
Beyond Terrain
You know, so when I i get on these little tendons of producing, I'm like, I can't consume anything. Like I can't, I can't watch a movie.
00:25:05
Mike Winner
Yeah.
00:25:07
Beyond Terrain
I can't, you know, watch like a 15 minute YouTube video or whatever. Right. Like, and I kind of go to the extreme there. And and I think, uh, getting back to this balance, right.
00:25:18
Beyond Terrain
Without consumption, there is no production either. Right. So there is a healthy. level to consume as well, right? But that production piece can't be understated, right? Because a lot of us are stuck in this consumption side of things.
00:25:31
Beyond Terrain
And it's not like you have to...
00:25:32
Mike Winner
There's the balance again, Liev. That's the balance.
00:25:34
Mike Winner
And it's this it's it's a feedback loop, right? like there's They say there's nothing new under the sun, right?
00:25:34
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:25:38
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:25:39
Mike Winner
like um And I get inspired all day. like I seek to inspire, and then I get inspired. I'm a huge fan of cinema and and film.
00:25:46
Beyond Terrain
yeah
00:25:47
Mike Winner
I worked in the film industry and in production and things. And um I enjoy ah consuming art, right? And I think um we're in a time right now when We're an important time to start realizing that one, because of the nature of the internet and the centralization and the the the power of the algorithm and the technocrats' ability to control us through that black mirror we call ah a smartphone. um I think where a lot of humanity is falling into these traps of categorization and specialization and um really ah ah defining the themselves in a very specific way.
00:26:30
Mike Winner
And in that way, we're also seeing a complete in an ironic twist and a paradox, which is so weird is we're seeing a generalization of culture and art to where everything has become bland and corporatized and really nothing dynamic and vibrant and unique and in an art. um And so ah and then you have that just mass consumerism. Right. um So, yeah, we're at like a really weird time ah where we have this immersion of um of technology in our lives to where we can access anything like we've never been able to and yet people feel more lost than ever.
00:27:10
Beyond Terrain
you Yeah.
00:27:10
Mike Winner
You know, it's a it's a wild time for me because I work in technology um and specifically like decentralized technology and I appreciate technology.
00:27:12
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:27:21
Mike Winner
um I feel like it's just another expression of our art of our consciousness. um But it needs to once again be grounded and balanced and really I think decentralization is a massive way that we can do that because and Nature is inherently decentralized reality is inherently decentralized because the creator has put forth ah Consciousness to find itself and to and to because we have free will to seek wherever we want to seek and unfortunately a lot of people have given up their free will and
00:27:56
Mike Winner
Um, and instead allow the algorithm ah to, to, to guide them right in their likes and then, and, and what they see as truth and reality.
Technology and Nature's Model
00:28:06
Mike Winner
So just having that once again, that awareness of that and the ability to, Hey, I'm going to dip in, I'm going to go to Instagram and I'm going to scroll a bit and see what the algorithm delivers to me, because I got to be honest, sometimes I get great stuff like.
00:28:20
Mike Winner
I get really funny memes and things that are like, wow, ah that that algorithm is pretty dang smart, man. Like I'm i'm um'm digging this, right? and then But then to have that awareness to go, okay, time to turn it off, time to take a break, um to have that discipline too, right? um And that ability and that comes back to the health element. Like we need to have discipline because we can easily get lost in doom scrolling all day.
00:28:46
Mike Winner
or hope scrolling, whatever you're in, whatever the algorithm is serving you, um and and then getting ah away from, once again, that journey we're on, that mission, right?
00:28:52
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:29:00
Mike Winner
Distractions pull us away from our mission. So um there's a lot of things that I talk about um that are practical, that are daily habits that we can engage in to help us. Like for me, I do a journaling practice ah every morning where I go through gratitude. I go through my goals for the day. I deal with task management. um I deal with ah affirmations.
00:29:26
Mike Winner
ah to help guide my subconscious. ah These are like very you know standard things that a lot of self-help gurus talk about and stuff, but these are still practical tools and applications that we can use um to help us maintain our journey.
00:29:42
Mike Winner
Sorry about the ah dog. I don't know if you can hear her, she's going nuts.
00:29:46
Beyond Terrain
Standing here. Nope. That's all right. Um, yeah, I mean, again, awesome. The, the centralization and and decentralization pieces is a big one. What I may be for the listener, cause I don't think we've talked about it specifically. And I mean, it ties really well into our conversation, but what is decentralization? What, what does that involve? How do we, how do we start to do that? How can, how can I do that in my life?
00:30:16
Mike Winner
Yeah, I mean, once again, nature is inherently decentralized. So when we embrace nature, we have a guide already. So we can see that with like how we plant stuff, you know, um how we um engage with agriculture on our own land, right?
00:30:35
Mike Winner
Like, so just like how a seed works or how a garden works um is a great guide. And then how our body works, our body is inherently decentralized.
00:30:40
Beyond Terrain
Thank you.
00:30:45
Mike Winner
So um all when you get into like deep into the terrain knowledge and work and understanding sort of how um biology works and and its relationship to um physicality, well, we have a decentralized universe inside us that is being guided by um its own ecosystem of natural natural law.
00:31:10
Mike Winner
ah And so we have um these little protids, microzymas, if you will, like that are the seeds of life. And maybe your audience would actually know what this is without me having to explain all this because this is the Beyond Terrain podcast. And these in my mind are actually evolving to become one of us.
00:31:33
Mike Winner
There is a progression and evolution of consciousness within the the overall design of this universe. And that is inherently decentralized. It is running on general laws. And so these laws are God's law. They are creation's law.
00:31:51
Mike Winner
And we don't we need a centralized force of officialdom, a um specific a singular entity to prescribe these laws. They are inherent and built into the substructure of reality.
00:32:08
Mike Winner
And so when we can come to better know these laws and how these laws dictate reality, we can apply those into setting up systems, whether those be digital, synthetic, or just within ah our community um are the way that we interact with ourselves, the way we interact with our fellow neighbors, et cetera. So decentralization is inherently truth. It is just how reality works.
00:32:34
Mike Winner
um And it's conducive and it functions because there are laws, there are laws in play that are immutable, indelible. We cannot change them. um Well, maybe we can and and that's a whole other discussion and that has to do with the progression of consciousness.
00:32:52
Mike Winner
um But in terms of this realm that we're in here, this physical plane that we're on, there are indelible natural laws, universal laws that set the scope and the boundaries of how everything works. And that allows for decentralization. So and a more like pragmatic answer here.
00:33:12
Mike Winner
How can we um engage in decentralization? Well, first and foremost, you can um just be aware that there this is a solution um and you can engage with it. For instance, like I'm a co-founder in this product called project called Cordal.
00:33:28
Mike Winner
And Cordal is trying to engage in decentralization in a very radical way, um going back to the first sort of elements and um principles of the internet itself, in that we, as an individual node, um using our own internet, or excuse my our own network, our own computer, um can take part in like a grander and in a project that is connecting us all individually to run consensus on a system that is based on time, which is really decentralized because time is one of those laws that we all have to play by that we can't control. Okay, so in cordals spelled Q O R T A L is a way for us to as content creators, as ah consumers, as folks trying to create communities can download and run and ah really engage in a decentralized way that is indelible, censorship proof, unstoppable, all that good stuff. Unlike the current Web 2.0, 3.0 even, that is really a silo ah that is created that was created and controlled by a few mega corporations.
00:34:42
Mike Winner
So that's one way like that I've really and embraced decentralization. And then another way once again is like in my garden, like growing my own food, right? um And knowing how to propagate your own seeds, knowing how to forage. In fact, I just got this awesome book over the weekend, The Foragers ah Almanac. I'm really getting back into wild crafting and foraging because Once again, nature is inherently decentralized, it's inherently abundant, it's all around us. We have a whole salad bar outside that we don't even know because we don't have the knowledge to know what to eat, right? Because we've gotten we've lost that connection with that innate wisdom that we used to have for 1000s of years. And so um just teaching ourselves getting back to these like these first principles of reality, um what ah really allows us to be more free and sovereign.
00:35:35
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. Yeah. Getting back to that, that definition at the start there, right? it It's all tied in.
00:35:41
Mike Winner
Yeah.
00:35:42
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. That's really cool, man. That's really cool.
00:35:43
Mike Winner
It's all big loop.
00:35:44
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, just just looking and knowing what's in your environment is something that's totally lost. Like being able to identify trees and different medicines, stuff like that.
00:35:52
Mike Winner
yeah
00:35:53
Beyond Terrain
I mean, it's just, it's kind of absurd when you think about it. It's like, it is the most abundant thing around. And, you know, we're able to identify logos, like every single fast food chain around.
00:36:06
Beyond Terrain
We all know them or like sports teams and stuff like that. We know all of them. you know, you can name them all off. And then, but when it comes to plants, you look at a plant and you're like, I don't know what that is.
00:36:16
Beyond Terrain
And I don't have no clue what it does.
00:36:17
Mike Winner
Yeah.
00:36:20
Beyond Terrain
But man, I mean, even what one plant can do, there's not just one, it's not allopathic, right? It's not like this plant or this herb does this or fixes this, right?
00:36:31
Beyond Terrain
Because the the funny thing, like when I i study a lot of like indigenous medicine and stuff like that, You study the Mi'kmaq, our people here, versus, ah you know, up in Quebec, the Atique Max, and they have the same plant, but they use it for completely different things, you know, and both work, both have this, this, you know, this
00:36:48
Mike Winner
Mm hmm.
00:36:55
Beyond Terrain
amazing amount of of power that's beyond just this allopathic model, right? So it's kind of like transcending this this whole modern idea of like one thing, one, you know, whatever, that's kind of like the the real allopathic way, but then you just got to go beyond that. And learning about this stuff is is contributing to this decentralization, contributing to this sovereignty and everything like that too.
00:37:20
Mike Winner
Yeah, I love that. you yeah That was a great point that we have no problem instantly recognizing a brand, a logo, uh, you know, ah signage, all of that, because that's inherently been built up into us through modern society, right? Because that's what we need to survive now is like how to, to navigate the roads and know what the signs mean. But back in the day to survive.
00:37:43
Mike Winner
you needed to know how to navigate the wilds and know what's going to kill you, what's poisonous and what's not when you're foraging or whatnot. And so there's, you know, there's a, it's what serves us at this time, um, in terms of just base needs, right? Of survival. But when we can go beyond that and when we can truly, um, out of passion to have knowledge, right? And what going back to that wisdom thing,
00:38:09
Mike Winner
then that's sovereignty like that that is getting out of that loop of mankind just being subservient to a system of control, ah to um a means to an end.
00:38:18
Beyond Terrain
Mm-hmm.
00:38:22
Mike Winner
right like It's beyond that. and so yeah having that um that wonderment, that childlike wonderment to want to know. Um, I'm always trying to embrace that more and more and trying to find what I don't know. Like, Hey, I could, I really need to work on this on myself. Like, why don't I know literally the things that are growing in my yard? You know, like that's wild, right? Like, Oh, how disconnected are we? So, um, now I know like, when I see plantain coming up, that's nature's band-aid.
00:38:56
Mike Winner
and like ah you know And I know that these aren't weeds.
00:38:56
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:39:00
Mike Winner
These are symptoms, right? um In the same way our body works, my garden works that same way. um And like dandelions aren't just like pretty flowers that pop up, but they're an incredible medicine and food and and all that.
00:39:14
Mike Winner
and you know And same with daisies and like all these things that we take for granted. And I think it's just, once again, engaging with nature to to learn and about ourselves.
00:39:25
Mike Winner
and Yeah, there's there's a lot you said there that um is really it's really wild. ah the way where How far we've gotten away from the simple things that ah are so, so powerful. um And then in terms of the sort of indigenous use of herbology and stuff, what they really understand versus the alipas and chemistry, which once again, is just quantitating things according to chemical reactions, which is so kind of barbaric in the end, compared to understanding the great the grander
00:40:03
Mike Winner
qualitative aspects around the energetics of things and it's really like an energy medicine, right? it's and And it's the archetype of the plant. It's what the alchemists understood. It's so much beyond the chemical constituents and this sort of need for modern man to break down and understand the pieces versus understanding the holistic whole of what true what the natural design is, right? Versus this need, this compulsion To break everything down to be God right to understand the smallest Infantissimal points of being so that then we can somehow put it back together. So we know how it works When it's so much simpler, it's so much easier and the alchemists understood that and what it is it's the direct relationship between us and the spirit of nature and the innate intelligence of of nature and how we can um sort of come to understand that without and the need to break everything down into the tiny pieces and then put it back together.
Science and Medicine Critique
00:41:07
Mike Winner
And so yeah, like modern science, like especially like modern medicine, this idea that we can like take cadavers and like dead things.
00:41:15
Mike Winner
and then pull pieces out of it to understand life, right? Like literally Mary Shelley exposed that in the famous book Frankenstein and how crazy that is, right? And that was like 200 years ago she wrote that and we're still falling into that Promethean trap that somehow um we are the, we can steal technology from God and do it ourselves.
00:41:40
Mike Winner
And, um, I think a lot of people are waking up to that false paradigm and that logical fallacy. Um, I'm thinking of the books, the reading Cedar books, the Anastasia books. She, that's like one of the biggest lessons out of those.
00:41:51
Mike Winner
If you're familiar with those books, um, which is she's this Russian mystic, um, who is like, all these books have been written and.
00:41:52
Beyond Terrain
Oh yeah.
00:41:59
Mike Winner
One of the big lessons there is there is one of the great sins of man is this this belief that we can um we need to tear apart nature to understand it instead of just understanding it inherently.
00:42:10
Mike Winner
which is what we were we we were given that gift We've been given that gift to inherently know nature without needing to rip it apart.
00:42:10
Beyond Terrain
This one.
00:42:18
Mike Winner
um And that shows the disconnect that modern man has had over the last three, 400 years with that scientific revolution you know and the the the the age of reason and all this nonsense, which really was just, for me, more control systems, centralized control systems to dominate our nature ah through the cloud, the veil of um of this you know scientism disconnect.
00:42:44
Mike Winner
with who we truly are.
00:42:45
Beyond Terrain
Mm hmm.
00:42:45
Mike Winner
And I believe we're in a renaissance, a new renaissance right now that's really was initiated in 2020. I mean, it's been going on for decades in the underground, but I really believe it's been initiated in 2020 and a huge part of that is terrain and the explosion and that, that knowledge.
00:43:04
Mike Winner
and uh explosion into back into alchemy and um and like all these cool topics we talk about an alpha cast related to how we can better build things and this implosion versus explosion technology and truly what what is quote unquote free energy and all these things related to the the spirit sciences right um yeah man it's wild times right now
00:43:26
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:43:29
Beyond Terrain
It is, it is. Yeah, the Alpha-Vedic reading list, if you're ever looking for some some books there, I found a lot of gems in there. So, um you know, I took ah ah in my in my undergrad at university, I took a course, it was history of medicine, birth of the body. And honestly, one of the best courses that I took, obviously the professor made it, and it was more of a representation of him than the institution, which I appreciated a lot. And we talked about, Hippocrates obviously was a huge, huge central central discussion. So we were talking about how back in his day, they would not
00:44:15
Beyond Terrain
do they would not dissect dead bodies. They would not cut them open. They didn't know anything about anatomy. They didn't know anything about that because they there was this philosophical question which sort of shaped their spiritual beliefs in a way as well, um or maybe vice versa. But it was, you know does a dead body act the same way as a live body? Does a dead body you know look the same way as a live body, right? And he's asking these questions And i like I put my hand up and I was like, you know, have we ah actually answered these questions, you know, 2500 years later? And I stumped him so hard, I think he rethunk all of modern medicine there, then and there right on the spot. But you know, the the the conclusion that we kind of came to, because we had a pretty extensive discussion about it was that, like, we
00:45:06
Beyond Terrain
We haven't answered this. it It actually makes a whole lot more sense to assume that a dead body doesn't act or look like a live body than anything, right? Like that's kind of the more reasonable thing to assume.
00:45:14
Mike Winner
yeah
00:45:18
Beyond Terrain
um And that's the thing, it is an assumption, right? it it Both would be an assumption, which, you know, which, which ah like assumptions and if you want to really get into that, I mean, that's kind of a too big of a topic, but, um you know, all of,
00:45:22
Mike Winner
massive assumption massiveiv isism
00:45:31
Mike Winner
Well, I would say that like all of modern science and medicine is based on, uh, like five, six massive assumptions that are logical, logical fallacies, right?
00:45:39
Beyond Terrain
Yes, I should completely agree. so yeah Yeah, no.
00:45:43
Mike Winner
Yeah. The assumption of Darwinian evolution, the assumption of gravity, uh, the assumption of, um, Well, we could get into globe flat, all that stuff. But um yeah, the assumption of a lot of these things that came out of once again, like the 1600s, the age of reason.
00:46:02
Mike Winner
Um, that, uh, we're never actually, um, logically solved or proven.
00:46:02
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:46:10
Mike Winner
And, you know, it goes back to even Aristotle and, uh, in the empiricists and, and a lot of this stuff that was just based on materiality. And it's once again, not in balance.
00:46:20
Mike Winner
It's not in balance. Um, and, uh, Yeah, I do believe like we're seeing like the explosion in in a lot of physicists and stuff that are going back towards idealism and ah relating to mind centered reality and things.
00:46:37
Mike Winner
I'm thinking of like Castrop, Bernardo Castrop is really big in this, right? And I think that's a great trend because it's getting us back out of that pure materiality that is dominated, that definitely dominated the 20th century.
00:46:50
Mike Winner
And at least people are starting to ask again. And for me, like one of the, like the goat, for me, of philosophy is Plato still, or you could say Socrates, um because of this deep, deep understanding that all physicality and and form comes first from the mind, right? that this This other place. And that would be the same for spirit inhabiting body. And so like to say that a cadaver, um It has the same properties as a living, breathing, vital being. um ah Once again, it goes back to that ah book Frankenstein I mentioned. like it's just It's insanity. It's insane and it's it's this Promethean idea that we can steal God's powers through technology. and um you know I think the transhumanism um agenda is that sort of apex of that and it's great to see so many people calling it out now
00:47:47
Mike Winner
Um, there truly is a great awakening around all this. And, um, I think we have now a very, um, we have a time in front of us where we're going to be able to through that, through this balance, being able to, to appreciate and use technology the right way to get back into balance and with nature. And so for one example, um,
00:48:12
Mike Winner
Here's one example of that, like I'm talking about the foragers Almanac, Almanac and like that takes a lot of years to study this stuff to know like what mushrooms to to pick or not and not poison yourself. Well, I have some pretty amazing apps on my phone that would allow me to identify plants in real time in an amazing way using AI and using these tech technologies to for the betterment of my foraging skills, right? so In that way, we're embracing technology and we're using it to benefit us without giving ourselves away to it. And so yeah, I think like if we don't want to be Luddites and totally deny technology, but we also want, and we want to respect it and we want to use it in the right way. And I think that's going to be true too, for like the terrain sciences, like getting back to these, finding these great, um, um,
00:49:06
Mike Winner
uh, microscopes and these optical microscopes that we had lost, you know, you have the, of course, the Royal Rife one and the lore of that and, uh, Gaston naysons and.
00:49:17
Mike Winner
these these microscopes that we're able to see farther. And, um you know, I think that's cool. That's cool. But more importantly, I think that what's going to evolve out of this is our pure spiritual um technology and skills where we won't need those tools anymore because we'll inherently be able to see those like, and this may sound a little woo woo to people, but having that ability to go into your own anatomy and look for yourself through your consciousness, right? Like I, my father who is, um he was ah getting his master's in psychology at University of Montana. ah He had a professor actually was at
00:50:02
Mike Winner
an associate that worked with a professor at UCLA um who was teaching his students how to go out of body and meet him in the evening and fly around l LA in out of body experiences. And he was also doing incredible things where he was able to go into hospitals where people had severe traumatic injuries, for instance, like tendons being ripped off um bones and stuff and to extend his consciousness into the anatomy and mend them back together.
00:50:30
Mike Winner
And like that sounds wild, but when you, when you truly understand the science that we're talking about here and you know, the relationship between the physical and the spiritual and the soul, once again, all this stuff can be explained.
AI and Human Uniqueness
00:50:45
Mike Winner
So that's where we're going. That's why telepathy tapes podcast has exploded in popularity. That's why people are starting to understand that the truest greatest technology is us.
00:50:57
Mike Winner
And when we come back to the awareness and understanding of this, then we can start exploring this more and start using it again, like we used to use and how those indigenous healers use. Cause they understood that relationship to the plant, like the alchemists understood, it's directly relation relating to our own consciousness and our own interface there between those, those other realms that we can't quantify currently with our current technology.
00:51:28
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, well, I think you you make a lot of great points there. And I think something I want to highlight is just that to to kind of add to what you're saying is that all technology is also mimicking, you know, nature.
00:51:41
Beyond Terrain
It's mimicking like AI, right? It's all neural networks. That's what they call it.
00:51:46
Mike Winner
help.
00:51:46
Beyond Terrain
Neural networks. Now, are we going to sit here and say that the way we understand neurons are completely correct? I think, you know, us and Harold Hillman would disagree with that. But um you know so so it's but but the concepts, right we're trying to mimic what the logic of neural networks, I guess, in a way. and you know Maybe AI has more knowledge in their database than a human being does, right but it truly shows that it's a conglomerate of the consensus in a way right and of all all that you can fit into a database. but
00:52:23
Beyond Terrain
The point is, is that it it mimics.
00:52:24
Mike Winner
Just really fast. It's really fast data processing and recollection of what's already been created.
00:52:29
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:52:30
Mike Winner
Can't create anything new. um And that's the secret here is the secret of creation.
00:52:32
Beyond Terrain
hundred percent 100%.
00:52:36
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:52:36
Mike Winner
The secret of creation is what makes life life. and nature nature and until, and I don't ever see AI being conscious because AI is just, as you said, it's a neural network of of databases connected through a very fast, rapid processing power. um And it can mimic, it can be like a simulacrum of consciousness, but it will always be based upon the consensus of what mankind has created.
00:53:06
Mike Winner
Uh, and this can get, this is a really deep conversation. It can go into a lot of metaphysics and a lot of interesting, um, tangents, but, um, I don't fear AI. What I fear is our own disconnection from ourselves. And when we have that disconnection from our own internal power, then we give it away to governments and big centralized corporations and all these things that will wield AI, um, as a weapon against us.
00:53:36
Beyond Terrain
Yeah, well put, I couldn't agree more. um Don't fear AI. We still who talked about that a lot. We talked about that with Mark Grover too and talked all about AI because he's a great mind, great mind, man.
00:53:44
Mike Winner
Oh, Marky Mark. I love Mark. He's a good friend of mine.
00:53:49
Beyond Terrain
like But yeah, we talked about that and that creation piece, that creativity piece, that's what that's what science in quotations, like modern you know science and academia,
00:54:03
Beyond Terrain
can't and will never be able to do they will never be able to create life they'll try and they'll even try to convince you that they have but they cannot you know like even like they want to grow an embryo outside of the body they still need to hijack you know the fundamentals they still need to try hijack the egg and the sperm like it's no they they can't they can't do this stuff they cannot make a cell and obviously cells as we know what we can probably talk about
00:54:26
Mike Winner
yeah
00:54:31
Mike Winner
And they don't even know it cost they don't even know what consciousness is. They can't define it.
00:54:34
Beyond Terrain
Exactly.
00:54:36
Mike Winner
Um, the materialist paradigm is shattering before us.
00:54:36
Beyond Terrain
Yeah.
00:54:41
Mike Winner
And, um, I believe we're kind of going right now through a stage of romanticism again.
00:54:41
Beyond Terrain
yeah
00:54:46
Mike Winner
So, which is fun.
00:54:47
Beyond Terrain
It's fun.
00:54:48
Mike Winner
So it's sort of what we, yeah, what we saw when, um, the age of reason was kind of coming to a decline after the French revolution. And and you had like, uh, Napoleon come into power.
00:55:00
Mike Winner
You had this explosion of romanticism as we embraced. our innate ability to, um you know, ah be one with nature and champion ourselves. And like, that's great. I think that's really important for us to experience that and to have that as a culture and community. But um I believe we're moving into, we're we're transcending that into, and I'm talking about romanticism in terms of like the truther community and stuff. like You know, not necessarily mainstream conventional society I believe that unfortunately is going more and more nihilistic and cynical and lost but but within the like underground if you will um This deeper awareness out out of that into like a post post-modern reality of like we can embrace it all we can and we can like delve into the darkness we can use AI we can
00:55:53
Mike Winner
we can really ah look at it all without fear because we have this innate knowledge and knowing of who we truly are that we haven't had in a very long time and that is really really exciting to me and I think that's why these conversations matter and I hope that it can inspire others to um, seek within more and more without fear.
Growth Through Challenges and Community Engagement
00:56:18
Mike Winner
And that doesn't necessarily mean going on a mushroom trip or taken ayahuasca. It could literally be as something as simply finding a way to, um, volunteer in your community to help like the homeless or something.
00:56:29
Mike Winner
You know, I took on volunteering, firefighting for eight years. It was something I completely feared and was against all of my sort of biological instincts coming out of LA as a Hollywood DJ producer with no really like tie into health, like into that sort of like emergency care and like jump, you know, fire fighting and stuff. But I, for some reason universe asked me to do this to challenge myself and That was a massive awakening in terms of just finding other parts parts of myself that and on the spiritual path. And then two, it reminded me on the importance of in this world, especially at this time when we can get so comfortable, especially in the West.
00:57:16
Mike Winner
places like Canada, the United States is to seek discomfort, to seek challenges, to seek ways that we can um ah you know find the inner true inner knowingness of ourselves through those challenges. um And whether that be going on a backpacking trip, going into an ice plunge, taking on a new challenging hobby, um ah like I said, volunteering at a soup kitchen,
00:57:44
Mike Winner
Doing those sort of acts is, I think, really, really important for us as a community to grow and to learn and to be better people.
00:57:55
Beyond Terrain
Wow. Amazing. I think that's probably a great time to kind of wrap things up here, Mike. That was, that was a great way to end things off. Um, I will, I will give you a moment just if you do want to, uh, add any final thoughts, anything that you want to add to the episode or anything like that. That'd be the time.
00:58:12
Mike Winner
Well, no, man, I just really appreciate being on here. I mean, I can talk about this stuff all day. Um, you know, I, I like talking about it because I think it's important that once again, we are here to, to inspire each other.
00:58:18
Beyond Terrain
Me too.
00:58:28
Mike Winner
And obviously I don't want to talk about all day because I got stuff to do, but, uh, you know, inspiring each other is so, so important. And, um, we really need each other more than ever.
00:58:40
Mike Winner
So find your community, whether that be online or in person, ideally both. um I'm really focused on that. So I've got the online private community at alphabetic dot.com you can join. ah It's really fantastic, like deep terrain talk and talks about foraging and homesteading and law and processes around law and just how to really help each other out in our path towards sovereignty. Really awesome. And then we have the Music in Sky community as well. That's online and also we do events. If you feel called to come to an event where you can really engage with others on this path, it's phenomenal. Now we're in a new phase where we're finding land and we're creating the Music in Sky Village now.
00:59:24
Mike Winner
So that's sort of the new thing we're doing. And so the events have been put on pause. Uh, so that's really exciting though. You go to music and sky.com to find out more about that. And, um, and then also like, I'll be at a bunch of events this year. I'm going to anarcho poco in a couple of weeks. I'll be out in Mexico for that.
00:59:40
Mike Winner
ah and doing a workshop and hosting one day on main stage and DJing the parties there. And then I'll be out in North Carolina at an event, a Barbara O'Neill event in ah March. I'll be at Confluence, ah which I think Mark Gover is going to be back there. are Alex Zach and Eileen McKusick put this on, on a farm in Texas.
01:00:03
Mike Winner
really really awesome. So that's in May and then going out to Australia in August for the Living Free Festival and that's really fun because that's ah people that are all these people are super grounded in terrain and law and stuff and these are all phenomenal events to go to so you can find out more about me if you just go to mikewinter dot.com and all my i'm working on getting my calendar of events and stuff on there and um yeah I'd love to see in person I love giving hugs and really it's leave it's about meeting in person man like
01:00:38
Mike Winner
There's nothing better, dude, than going to these events and engaging within in the field of other people who are on the path, especially like what we're doing. But if you can't do that, yeah, find an online community, community is where it's at. And I love you guys. Thanks for having me on.
01:00:54
Beyond Terrain
Yeah. Anytime. No, I really, really do appreciate your time and and all the wisdom that you had to share and and everything that you've done and will continue to do, Mike. Thank you. Thank you so much.
01:01:03
Mike Winner
Thanks, brother. Thanks for having me on.
01:01:05
Beyond Terrain
Right on. And I want to thank you all for listening. You should all know that this is not medical advice. This is for your informational purposes only, but also remember that we're all responsible, sovereign, being, capable of thinking, criticizing, understanding absolutely anything. We and the greater forces are together, self healers, self-governable, self teachers, so much more.
01:01:20
Beyond Terrain
ah Please reach out if you have any questions, criticisms, comments, concerns in order to find me. Instagram's a great way to message me. you know I get to the comments, email me, whatever. you can You can find a way to contact me if you're interested. I love hearing and your thoughts on the episodes. and yeah I really love just chatting with you guys. If you did like this episode or any of our episodes, make sure you leave a like, comment, share, subscribe, review, rating, all that goes a long way in helping us grow and get the word out. Just remember guys, there are two types of people in the world. Those believe they can, those believe they can't, and they are both correct. Thanks for listening.
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Beyond Terrain
and Take care.