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Dr. Jerneja Tomsic on Dismantling PCR, Scientific Corruption, and the Illusion of Virology
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In this episode, we’re joined by molecular biologist Dr. Jerneja Tomsic for a thorough, start-to-finish dismantling of PCR, the method that underpins much of modern diagnostic virology.
We begin with foundational principles—Koch’s postulates, isolation vs. purification, and the philosophical failures of modern science. Dr. Tomsic walks us through the basics of PCR, exposing its misuse in clinical settings and the flawed assumptions baked into its application.
From there, we challenge the idea of asymptomatic carriers, the nonsense of virology, and the sleight of hand involved in viral sequencing, primer creation, and metagenomics.
This is not just a technical critique—it’s a deeper reflection on scientific corruption, narrative manipulation, and the role of fear as the real virus.
If you’ve ever questioned the foundations of modern "infectious disease" science, this episode is essential listening.
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Introduction and Community Invitation
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Meet Jornea: Molecular Biology and Personal Awakening
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You sign up to be part of the movement. It's great way to support the show while getting some value in return as well. So without further ado, let's dive into today's episode. ah We have a fantastic guest on today. encountered her work actually fairly recently, but I'm really happy that I did ah doing some really amazing, amazing work.
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um And I'm just really, really happy to get her on the podcast today to kind of dive deeper into into some very, very important topics. I'm really looking forward to this episode. ah she has some slides that she's going to share today. I think we're really going to dismantle this whole PCR thing.
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And yeah, we're going to get a little deeper today. So Jornea, thank you so much for your time and and for coming on and and sharing your work with us. Thank you, Leah, for the invitation.
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um i think we need to first say that I am a molecular biologist, right? I have my all the way my PhD in this amazing thing called molecular biology. And I'm hearing this was your path, kind of right, your studies, you were kind of going in that direction, but you were lucky you're younger and COVID happened while you were still in the middle of things while I've been in the field for a while. So it was a hard shake up awakening over in 2020 when things started going.
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weird, let's call it right so yeah Thank you for having me. Well, all the more respect out to you for for being so deep in the field and and still being able to come to come to the light.
00:02:27
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So I think that's amazing, amazing. And we need people like you. So, you know, I'm very grateful for for your path and and sort of everything that's happened to, right?
Health, Mindfulness, and Critique of Conventional Medicine
00:02:37
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So I want to ask you, first question I ask all my guests to define health. What is health? What does it mean to you How does it manifest? What does it look like? Take it in any direction that you'd like.
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I'll give floor. Yeah, I'll keep it short because I'm so I usually don't even think much about it. But definitely my understanding of what health is has changed over the last six years. Right.
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I was completely asleep in 2019 and then all of a sudden here we are and i'm looking Of course, completely different. It's not just the absence of illness.
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It's also, I mean, you need to have mental health on top of physical health, right? It's not just absence of broken bones or no cough.
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Because again, what is cough? What is cold? What are flu symptoms? That is not disease. That is our body clearing itself and cleaning up, removing toxins, so on and so forth. so um Health, I guess it's like just being balanced.
00:03:51
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And what I realized at some point when I started my awakening is ah because we very often keep talking about how we don't need allopathic doctors, because what they do is they give us allopathic medications which quote unquote, give us health, which of course they don't, right? They suppress symptoms.
00:04:13
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But people are saying we will need doctors that can fix broken bones, you know, all of that kind of stuff. And I agree. I mean, if my bone is broken or if I have a huge cut, who's going to stitch me up? Definitely I'll go to the doctor. But at one point I had this, I will call it illumination.
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When you're present, when you are focused in what you're doing you will not fall, you will not cut yourself.
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So I do cut myself in the kitchen when I'm absent, when my mind is all over the place, I'm thinking, oh, who knows at work, I need to do this. And then I'm chopping onion and I chop a piece of my finger, right?
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But if we are present, we won't be even breaking stuff. I mean, ah driving a car, you get in the accident when you are distracted.
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Let's ignore that people get you in accidents, right, because they run into you. But once we start looking at being present and just being here 100% of the time, there are a lot of things that won't happen, which I mean, because I see it as not held all of these accidents, right, that that happened to us. so But it's not, yeah, going deep going deep into health is not what I'm thinking about um all the time. It's just a little bit like how I see it these days compared to maybe yeah before.
00:05:47
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No, well, i really appreciate that answer. And there's something to be said about, like you mentioned, the mindfulness piece and not overthinking health, right? Because health really is simple. And we've overcomplicated it, right? But ah yeah, there's something to be said about being present, being mindful.
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And I think you make a great point, you know, when things are aligned, I think um What you were kind of alluding to there maybe a little bit was even some sort of spiritual alignment, right? And, and you know, having that preventative standpoint, stuff like that is is a really important
Questioning Systems: Medical, Societal, and Research
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thing. And just being mindful and not... um not tiptoeing into the to the distractions, right? Because that's when things can sneak up on you. So no, I really do appreciate your answer. I know it might be a little bit outside of your scope, but I think you answered it beautifully. So thank you. Thank you so much.
00:06:32
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um Maybe just before we get into the slides, I'd really like to know, ah Maybe briefly about your journey and how you kind of came to this way of thinking, right? Because a PhD molecular biologist to to kind of go down this path is is really impressive. So i'd I'd love to just hear a little bit about that.
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So, of course, you know, age experience helps, right? Because I've been around for a while. I mean, if we will go then deeper into PCR, ah my my main thing was when I heard that PCR was used for the diagnosis of COVID.
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um I immediately connected the dots because I've been working with PCR in research, using it for research and immediately my thought was you cannot use PCR to diagnose a disease.
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I never even thought about that it was used for diagnosis of flu, like all these different flus and all of that. But just when it came out and I think Dr Kaufman mentioned it, like the first time when I heard it, he mentioned it and I really stopped in my tracks.
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And I'm like wait a minute so I've been so for the first days of lockdown, I was the one who was non essential worker, so I was working from home, my husband would do grocery shopping I would be.
00:07:55
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sanitizing everything that he would bring home. I mean, not like crazy as some really some are still doing it now. And with all the gloves and everything, but a little bit of, you know, just a little bit of cleaning, you know, not really with the heart disinfectant, but something.
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So then when I heard that, I'm like, okay, and then I don't really know, things just started unravelling so one thing that i've been looking into for a very long time was how our medical although i am still in the medical field i'm still doing cancer research because i'm still kind of waiting for something to tell me where to go next and the whole spiritual connection is what i kind of thing needs to
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exist and i think we get um all this information from i don't know if it's from somewhere else our higher selves whatever so i'm still waiting on some sort of a guidance to tell me where to go next but i think for right now i'm still needed in the field so uh going back things were starting to unroll so what I was looking at was how medical profession is not really talking about prevention so what we do as prevention is early screening let's say if we talk about um cancer
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They call prevention the early screening screening for breast cancer or colon cancer. I insist this is not prevention. Prevention is not even having cancer. So I've been focused on nutrition for a very long time.
00:09:41
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At least, I mean, in 2020, it's been at least five years that I started to look into nutrition, how that affects our health. um So I'm like, okay, so now we are all of a sudden, they're taking care of us, they want us um they want us to be healthy, they want us, but by closing us in, by doing this, by doing that, when before they never cared about us being healthy. So things just didn't make sense, right?
00:10:09
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And then what happens, then I got a phone call from somebody, he started to talk talking to me about the straw man. the whole, I mean, this is completely unrelated with health, but how, who we are, the the whole birth certificate thingy, whatever. And then, I mean, all of these quote unquote conspiracy theories, which very soon I learned that none of that it's a conspiracy theory.
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All of those things are true and now there they're called conspiracy theories just so people don't look into them, right? So things started to unravel. um Another thing that i was I've been aware of for a very long time is, so I moved to the US from Italy.
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I was born in Slovenia, but I lived in Italy for many years and 20 years ago, pretty much exactly a few days back, it's been 20 years, I moved to the US to continue research because in Italy we stopped having funding and all of that.
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And at some point I started volunteering for a food pantry. Ana Bettencourt- I was volunteering for a food pantry where we were serving many, many people that were or homeless or low income and at one point I started asking how are we the most.
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wealthy country in the world and just in our little i mean i was in columbus ohio but still just in our town we have so many homeless and so many low income so something is not computing something is not right so 2020 when i started digging deeper down into quote unquote conspiracy theories i really had no problem to then flip everything realize that we've been sold this upside down world where nothing is real nothing that we are being sold is real i mean we'll go into the whole virus thing but that's just one little piece of right how it's nothing is real so it was really not that hard when i had in front of my in front of me
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people that are suffering and I've been volunteering with animal rescues also for a long time. So people that are suffering, children's children suffering, animal suffering.
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So it was not hard for me to make the connection. Wait, if we invert this, if we get rid of all of this nonsense that is keeping us trapped, then maybe we have some hope that maybe even in my lifetime, and as I said, I'm not that young, right?
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Even in my lifetime, we will see a better world. So at the end it was, yes, it was the at the expense of realizing I've been lied to in college, PhD is all a bunch of nonsense that I had to learn. And I've been working with this DNA.
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I'll mention a few things about that later on. but at the end it was not easy for me it was not hard sorry it was not hard for me to let go of all of that by focusing on you know what a better world is possible and we will have it in my lifetime so that's been guiding me for now five years and diving i'm stubborn as heck i was born to a stubborn dad my mom a little bit less but daddy stubborn looks like i have his quote unquote genes, because we'll say something about genetics later on.
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But yeah, so I'm just plowing through and I see it. Yeah, I love that. That's great. That's so amazing. So let's get into the nitty gritty here. Why don't you pull up your slides and and we may as well get started and right into it.
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um Yeah, PCR was one of the first things to drop for me.
The Flaws in PCR and Virology Techniques
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You know, like you mentioned earlier, I did study molecular and um at biochemistry and molecular and it was just a huge focus on genetics the whole degree was just genetics and it really like we we dove like deeper into the methods um like the PCR thing and And whenever, you know, I was looking into the COVID stuff, I would challenge my profs on it. And they would just like they would, there was this wall, they couldn't see like they were telling me in class that, you know, you can't run it past 33 cycles. And you know,
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they wouldn't understand the labs were running it at 45 cycles different stuff like that now even it's 33 cycles adequate we'll probably touch on that today a little bit but you know it was just interesting there were these major discrepancies even in what they were teaching and what they were doing and you know it was just like there was always this little asterisk in all of my genetics courses too that was like yeah, this is what we think, but, you know, we don't really know because one, there's the evidence is interesting for one, and it's so new and there's a lot of debate and it's just, it was sort of an interesting degree because there was always sort of this question mark at the end of everything, which was admitted by some of my professors who were, I feel like a little bit more honest than the rest. So it was an interesting degree, that's for sure. But I'm excited to hear a little refresher here and, and,
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ah allow the listener to to kind of join in and we're gonna delve a little deeper so take it away and uh I'll stop you whenever I anything comes up exactly just just interrupt if there is something that I need to say different or whatever if it's not understandable um um It's interesting to hear how now everything is genetics right like when you're talking molecular biology biochemistry it's all genetics, because it's the easiest thing to manipulate.
00:16:10
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I mean, ah we won will talk maybe a little bit more about genetics, but I started questioning how human genome was constructed at some point.
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So after I started digging deep into viruses and all of that, I'm like, how was human genome constructed? Who did it? I mean, the whole human genome project and all of that.
00:16:33
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And I would love to get in touch with somebody that was working on that project that is now at least 50% aware and awake and would be willing to talk to me because I have questions.
00:16:47
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And I think getting answered to those questions would open a lot of like would open the door to really understanding how we are being manipulated through genetics right and all of them use of pcr so so this is a a very interesting um figure that's in i'll show it later it's in a virology textbook so They realized at some point how more sensitive technologies, including DNA sequencing, sequencing have triggered ah reconsideration of Cox postulates. so All of a sudden, they realized that the old techniques of growing
00:17:26
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um quote unquote viruses, this is what they say, they're growing viruses, something was was not working, so they started to use a more sensitive technologies. They started to use, so here on the right,
00:17:41
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This is the PCR machine and then this is the computer that can analyze all of that stuff. So just briefly, I won't go into Cox postulates like the whole thing, but just so people understand there are four main points to this Cox post post post so you need to isolate the thing that is causing the symptoms right so let's say you need to isolate that if you claim it's a virus you need to isolate that virus I mean, I go um when my cat is sick, I isolate my cat from the rest by grabbing my cat, taking him, putting him in quarantine, right? So this is how I isolate my cat from the rest of the crowd.
00:18:24
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The same you would need to do with this isolation of virus, like grab this virus and then move it somewhere. We know isolation is already a thing that has never happened, right?
00:18:37
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Then they say you need to put it in a culture, culture it. So you stick it in there, it grows, it multiplies. Then you introduce it in a new healthy individual. Most times those are animals because we do animal models.
00:18:54
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And then you would need to isolate the same agent from this animal. animal that you infected right so the secondary infection let's call it so.
00:19:14
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we already fall isolation was never done um what they're showing as is pure culture that's also not a thing but just ah just saying so they know that cost postulates are not um fulfilled with viruses so here this is so interesting so This is where this picture comes from.
00:19:40
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So volume two pathogens and control principles of virology. It's funny. um Back in the day, back in the 90s, I didn't have a virology class.
00:19:53
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We just a little bit touched on viruses in our molecular biology class. ah So when COVID started, my husband, he's also a molecular biologist, he actually bought these two volumes just to see what they're teaching in virology.
00:20:09
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Because he also understood that something was not right. So he's like, let me go see what they're teaching these young generations. So what I found in this first box 1.1,
00:20:20
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one point one It pretty much boggled my mind. So they say why viruses may not fulfill Cox postulates. So they say Cox postulates provide a framework to identify a pathogen unambiguously as an agent of particular disease, but some infectious agents, including viruses cause disease, but do not adhere to all the to all of the postulates.
00:20:46
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In fact, it has been argued that the rigid application of these criteria to viral agents may have impeded early progress in the field of virology.
00:20:59
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So if we stop here, you can call it it have impeded, right? And just go and follow virology as a real science and just ignore everything.
00:21:11
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Or you could say, wait a minute, what the heck are we doing? And of course, most people are, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go, let's look, let's do some different things to still use viruses as, which are fictional characters, as a real thing, right?
00:21:28
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So they say that application of these criteria to viruses can be particularly problematic, like criteria like the Koch postulates, can be particularly problematic. For example, the first postulate which states that the microorganism must be regularly associated with the disease and course then isolated does not hold true for many animal reservoirs such as bats in which the virus actively reproduces but causes no disease.
00:21:58
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So this is what I wrote down here. All of a sudden we come to these asymptomatic. So what does asymptomatic mean?
00:22:11
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Somebody's tested with the PCR test ah that we will go into right now. It says it's a positive test, but the person has no symptoms. So it's an asymptomatic virus is there, but oh, it's just not causing disease, which is a completely ridiculous. If you apply some common sense, this is a completely ridiculous thing calling somebody that is healthy asymptomatic just because a fake test ah tested
00:22:43
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the person showed the person is positive. So it's completely absurd, but yeah, try to discuss this with um good job for doing it with your professors, like bringing some things up. um I tried with some of my people and woof It went way over their head but yeah that's okay.
00:23:04
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So, so the thing is what, let me do something real quick here, so maybe. Give me just a second so it's a little bit bigger i'm usually not sharing the whole thing, so I have my.
00:23:20
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Bettencourt- Slides over here so it's under control, so what is completely being ignored is that there was this paper published in 1996 so a long time ago, I mean.
00:23:33
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what what is it? i'm hard that I'm having trouble doing math, but it's 30 years, right? Pretty much. So they are saying that sequence based identification of microbial pathogens, a reconsideration of Cox postulate. So they're kind of saying, okay, let's go on the sequence based identification rather than isolating, growing and so on and so forth.
00:23:56
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But on page, so this is quite some pages from 18 33, I think on the page um They say that the sequence based approaches to microbial identification and disease causation share some problems with more traditional approaches, but also generate some additional problems.
00:24:17
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So there are problems with additional approaches and sequence based approaches share the same problems plus add more. So why we don't just stop, throw the whole thing out of the window.
00:24:30
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And starting to look at it a little bit different. No, no, no, no. We will just keep good going down the path. Yep, let's lose use PCR. So perhaps the most obvious and perplexing issue raised by sequence based approaches is the absence of ah viable or even intact microorganism.
00:24:47
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So we know that nobody has ever pulled, this is true, especially for but for viruses, nobody has ever pulled the virus from the sick person as a one in one piece and sequence the whole the whole genome that belongs to the virus. So I will go into how these viral genomes are sequenced.
00:25:09
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um Strict adherence to the principle behind Koch's third postulate poses a major difficulty for the evaluation of microorganisms that have not yet been purified or propagated in the laboratory. So you cannot even reinfect somebody when you don't have the purified agent. right So I mean, the whole thing falls apart, but again,
00:25:34
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If you don't want to see it, you just go along with the story and insist they have been purified. You can see them under the microscope. That's another thing that's completely ridiculous, right? An electron micro microscope image doesn't say anything about what's in that image, pretty much so.
00:25:56
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So just to go in the PCR, so PCR is a polymerase chain reaction. its Its discovery is attributed to um keim malis Dr. Cary Mullis.
00:26:09
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This is the story that was sold to me when I first ran my PCR in 1995. um How he was driving up or down the Pacific Coast Highway and all of a sudden in the middle of the night this idea yeah idea comes to mind um and he kind of discovers this way of amplifying Dr. Maria Toulouse- So you start from one molecule and you can amplify several.
00:26:38
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Toulouse- You can have several copies of exactly the same molecule okay so you put several things in this reaction, you have nucleotides which are building blocks of DNA.
00:26:50
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Then you have one primer that is called the forward primer, then you have another primer that is called the reverse primer, you have an enzyme ah that's a polymerase, and then what you do, you do um you run it ah You run this through several cycles.
00:27:09
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A lot of people think that cycles mean spinning. So I've even heard a lot of people that think they know what they're talking about. They go, oh yeah, and then you spin. No, you don't spin nothing.
00:27:22
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You just throw them in this machine that I showed you up there and what cycles is actually the temperatures. So you are going from 95 degrees where DNA opens then you go to a lower temperature, which is usually between 56 to 64 to 62 degrees, where these primers bind to the complementary sequence.
00:27:47
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And then you switch it to 72 degrees where polymerase actually extends these primers by adding these building blocks. So this is how it looks like you open, um primers align,
00:28:04
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And then you pretty much start extending. So polymerase extends. um And then you go through this cycle
PCR Cycles and Diagnostic Inconsistencies
00:28:13
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several times. So at the end, what you have is Let me show it here.
00:28:20
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What you will have, you will have um an incredible number of molecules that are of the length starting from the beginning of the forward primer to the end or to the beginning of the reverse primer.
00:28:36
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they are both beginnings but let's call it to this end over here so you will have an incredible number of molecules that are of a specific length and very often very short very short here we are talking um 150 to 100 of these nucleotides building blocks so instead of just imagine uh building a putting up a building like putting one block after the other on top here it's ah it's a sequence, they go kind of in sequence that's that's the thing that we are being told how PCR works right, so what what it does, so it really depends, ah wait let me go first in here and then I'll share the other slide.
00:29:20
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so it's an exponential ah increase right so i mean it's it's ridiculous how so i have a couple of different plots here so you can see if i start with 10 or if i start with 50 molecules right so let's say if i start with 10 molecules um i reach 10 ten I think it's 10,000.
00:29:49
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In 10 cycles, I reach 10,000 molecules. If I start with 50 molecules, i so I end up with 50,000. When you go and increase the cycles more,
00:30:02
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I mean, you go from not seeing anything over here to having an incredible amount of this product that you can kind of see on what's called the agarose gel. I mean, the way to again, and all of this visualization is it's all a secondhand visualization.
00:30:21
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So if you throw your DNA product on a gel, what we call agarose gel,
00:30:31
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who is actually showing you the presence of this DNA product in the gel is a molecule. um What we were using before was ethyl bromide, now it's cyber green. So these are actually molecules that they say fluoresce when they get in between these nucleotides.
00:30:55
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So it's, you'd never see DNA. Like I see a book, this is the book, you know, this is the book. I never see DNA. I always, there is always something that is telling me, this is your DNA.
00:31:09
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The same when I purify DNA and I see, I pass all these, let's say if I purified from bacteria, I pass, um, I throw a lot of chemicals on these bacteria to open them up, this and that. So at the end, I do a step that's called ethanol precipitation and I see white powder.
00:31:32
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And this is what I learned in school. This is your DNA, but, What is it? I mean, I always just assumed this is my DNA that's composed of nucleotides and that is a double helix.
00:31:48
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We will go into that um because we need to bring that up at some point. So, but just let's go back. So here, what you can see is there is this what's called the PCR threshold.
00:32:00
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So this at 19, this would still be a negative result. So the dark blue, if you were starting with 10 molecules, you see it's not touching the threshold. So it would still be a negative result. But if you have 50 molecules, it's a positive result. So all of a sudden something says, oh yeah, yeah, you started with something because you have a certain number of molecules that got amplified.
00:32:26
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um So it becomes like a positive. um The problem is, so how do we detect, how do we actually detect um the product?
00:32:41
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In this case, we are using real-time PCR. So a real-time PCR reaction is a reaction that's that's done using the forward primer.
00:32:53
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the reverse primer and an additional primer that that has a complementary sequence to a sequence that's present in between these two primers. Okay. So, and this primer is attached to two molecules.
00:33:08
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One is called a fluorescent a dye and the other one is called a quencher. So this thing doesn't fluoresce when it's in the tube. Dr. O' But once it attaches here the polymer is started starts to chew this up as it's amplifying eat will liberate the floor for it will liberate this.
00:33:32
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light, so you will actually see every every cycle when this is being extended and this thing is being removed, you have one fluorophore that's being released.
00:33:44
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So if you think about it, you are actually measuring how many molecules are being produced, right? This kind of, I think this kind of makes sense. So, but the problem is,
00:33:57
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This thing, it it doesn't necessarily mean that this thing was attached exactly where we thought it was attached. What we often have is a,
00:34:10
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I haven't done presentation on PCR in a long time, but how do we call it now? The English terminology is escaping me. A specific, so it can be a non-specific binding.
00:34:24
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So what you can have, so it's not just if you have a positive, so let's say here. So when,
00:34:34
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when your signal goes over this p PCR threshold, the company would say the person is positive, if we go back to PCR being a diagnostic test. So when they would see this light being emitted and a certain amount, they would be like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this person, it it happened at 15 cycles, this person is positive.
00:34:57
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Right and has the virus and who knows what or 20 cycles or you can push it very hard. You can have this curve going over the threshold at 40 or 45 cycles.
00:35:10
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But we don't really look at what the product is. So we are actually looking just at the emission of light and this light can be emitted because our ah probe, this is called the probe, has been digested because of being attached to something. It doesn't even have to be our target sequence.
00:35:35
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So this is how you can have ah false positives. And what we see all the time, we use real time PCR for um to study gene expression.
00:35:49
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So to study how proteins are produced in cells. But again, we don't look directly at proteins. We look at how messenger RNA that is then translated into proteins, how messenger RNA is produced. Right. So we looked at we look at that and what we know, what we've always known when The threshold, so when your CT, like the cycle number, the CT value is over 30, 33, you never take that as a positive, never.
00:36:25
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So what they were doing with, because we know, who knows what's giving the signal, right? but we know that they were running 45 cycles in diagnostic um laboratories. And they were, for the most part, they were not reporting at how many cycles they saw this curve going over the threshold.
00:36:48
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So this is a big problem, right? And again, um you cannot discuss this with people that are in sciences that are unwilling to sit down, calm down, not react and think, and really be honest with themselves.
00:37:11
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Because this is what I'm seeing, this is what it takes. You need to be honest with yourself and just say, wait a minute, I've seen this happen in my research. I've seen problems with PCR in my research, so I know how it can happen.
00:37:26
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and then just go so do you think it can happen in diagnostic tests yeah maybe not just saying no no no those are you know it's like a sacred cow right don't touch don't touch those diagnostic tests right so that's um i don't know do you have questions about because this is kind of the the end of this process i will go into sequencing a little bit Yeah, I mean, is there a difference between PCR use in diagnostics versus like laboratory use when they try to measure specificity, you know, stuff like that?
00:38:03
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yeah It's the same. It's the same. It's just it's the same type of reaction. it Everything is pretty much the same, but we kind of know what's what's the limitation. What are the limitations of the technology?
00:38:20
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um And again, as I said, when something goes over 33, we don't take it. For them to be pushing it over, because I have done sequencing of products that came up at a higher city value.
00:38:35
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at a higher city value And I never found in there what I was looking for, what I was specifically amplifying. So again, this is my experience over the years, which told me, you know, you can have a product that will look like it's a product, it's good.
00:38:54
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But then when you really look into it, it's not what you were um trying to amplify, what you were trying to measure. right so and if it's not what you were trying to target then the whole thing needs to be just tossed i think the point about non-specificity is really important too like how do they ah supposedly account for non-specific binding like how would they how would you be able to know between non-specific versus if it is specific or not
00:39:26
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if you just look at If you just look at these curves, which are obtained by um ah measuring machine, really just looking at this emission of ah fluorescence, ah you don't know.
00:39:43
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you don't know if it's specific or non-specific. So when we, at the beginning, let's say I was doing my own primer design. Back in the day, we learned how to do it. So how to design these primers that you would have high,
00:40:00
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um high rate of success so that you won't have to redesign them again because they need to have certain characteristics um they need to have a specific amount of gc content versus 80. i don't want to go too much into detail for and again people that don't really understand it that's okay don't worry but i just want to put it out for people that think that i don't know what i'm talking about i mean I guess they need to a little bit, you know, come down and look at what they've been told and what they're doing because, so I was designing my own primers.
00:40:39
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And the first thing that we would do, so you design the primers and you're like, okay, I really want to understand what is the sequence over here? Because what we use these primers for is maybe to look for, is there a mutation in this region?
00:40:56
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Okay, so how do you do do that? You amplify the region and then you sequence the region. And then you see, will the region be of this sequence or will it maybe have a mutation over here?
00:41:09
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Okay, so that's that's a whole other discussion, but let's just go back. So we buy the primers. We run the first PCR um different annealing temperatures. We try different conditions until we get the product that we want. So we kind of say, OK, these are the conditions for these this pair of primers to give me the result that it's supposed to give me because it's supposed to amplify this region, not something else. Right.
00:41:41
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So we always run the sequencing reaction. Which It's not run when we do a diagnostic, when we use PCR as a diagnostic test.
00:41:54
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It's never done. And I have my um suspicion then a lot that a lot of those PCR reactions were not even run.
00:42:04
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But that is just me. That's a major conspiracy theory. I mean, I've seen stuff, I've seen stuff, I've seen people reporting that they've seen all these tests being, like the used ones just being tossed in ah in a room, nobody was even running tests. This came out from the UK at some point, I think in 22.
00:42:24
Speaker
So, I mean, things are completely absurd, right? Yeah, you can't put it past them at this point. I think um one little point just kind of tie back in your original talk there on being asymptomatic, you know, and and using PCR as diagnostic tests, just kind of bring it all together.
00:42:42
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You know, when you're using PCR as a diagnostic tool, you would expect that, you know, what, what they say and what you would expect is something along lines of this. It's every time someone's sick, they test positive with PCR.
00:43:00
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Every time someone's healthy, they don't test positive with PCR. That's what we're told. That's what you would expect if this is a valid way to diagnose. um And this is what they say. And this is what they teach, right? This is not like, you know, this is, this is actually what they say.
00:43:16
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Now, The whole asymptomatic point is so important because it it's the cop-out, it's the scapegoat of why 50, 70, 25% is twenty five percent is testing negative when they're sick or when they're, or sorry, when it's testing positive when they're healthy, right? So a false positive, um you know, because during COVID we had all these PCR tests testing positive on people who were completely fine and healthy,
00:43:48
Speaker
So by calling them asymptomatic, we call them infected. Right. So there is still a virus present in their minds is what they say. And so since they are infected, they're technically diseased. And the symptom of the disease is asymptomatic, which is total contradiction and absolute nonsense.
00:44:06
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But that's how they kind of keep that lie afloat, right? It's with the asymptomatic cop-out. So that really can't be overstated, right? Because if you think about how you would create a gold standard test or how you would measure a test to be a gold standard,
00:44:21
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especially diagnostically, you would have a group of people who have symptoms, you would have a group of people who have no symptoms, and the test should be as close to 100% on the testing positive for the people who have symptoms and as close to 0% for the people who do not have symptoms. That is how, you know, in essence, how gold standards are determined.
00:44:41
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Now, The positive group has a bunch of people who don't have symptoms and a bunch of people do have symptoms. So you could see how it just it's all backwards and nonsense. It doesn't make any sense. And there's no consistency. And it's just contradicting itself. Right. And that's how it's continuously perpetuated. So I just kind of wanted to re highlight that.
00:45:00
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that there is no way to measure gold standard there it's completely illogical because it contradicts itself that's like the fundamental rules of logic it's non-contradiction uh but it's just fundamentally contradicts itself uh which i think is quite hilarious when you kind of look at it big picture but um yeah that was just kind of the point i wanted to make and the same can kind of be said about genetic illnesses as well, right? Which we might touch on a little bit here soon, but it's like, you know, you test all these people for a breast cancer gene and 25% of them develop breast cancer and you say, well, you have a good test.
00:45:33
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It's like, okay, well, the other people have the gene, they just, it's asymptomatic or whatever. And it's just kind of, it's nonsense. it's It doesn't make any sense. And you have to take a sense step back, like science should make sense. It should adhere to logic and truth and that that is like fundamental right so anything you want to add to that before we move on yeah yeah no and thank you for making this point it's really just to make it understandable for people and as you said um positive and asymptomatic they also bring in immune system because what is keeping that person healthy it's the strong immune system it's another load of
00:46:17
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I mean, we will um I mean, once you start digging, you just realize it's all a lie. It's pretty much all ah one big lie because and it's just sitting one thing on top of the other on top of the other.
00:46:30
Speaker
Once you pull it's the the house of cards, right? And you pull one card, the whole thing just goes. So I mean, you just need to be. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:46:41
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No, I'm just saying you just need to be brave enough, I guess, or stupid enough to pull that card. I mean, I don't know, you know, it's like, I was just going to say, um if you're interested in the immune system, I just recorded a YouTube video on the immune system. It's called the immune system is nonsense.
00:47:01
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It's on YouTube. If you're interested in that, we're not going to dive into that right now because that would be ah whole podcast in and of itself we're going to talk about sequencing now which i'm super excited about go over to the youtube channel and subscribe and
Challenges in Viral Sequencing and Genetic Research
00:47:12
Speaker
watch that video because it's great video it's great video on the immune system so let's keep flowing this has been amazing so far i'm really excited to see where it goes here so what i'm gonna go into next over here so I'm just pulling, I will go into how the sequence that they are using was kind of found or derived or let's call it constructed because this is what was done.
00:47:36
Speaker
So, but these are the reports, this is from 2019 right the December somewhere. So this is one report, a novel coronavirus from patients with pneumonia in China.
00:47:50
Speaker
And when I looked at how they did sequencing, not enough information of how sequencing was performed. I mean, when you go through materials and methods, there is like nothing.
00:48:01
Speaker
So I'm like, you know what, toss. So there is there is nothing, nothing that they would say from here would make any sense because their methodology is nonsense.
00:48:14
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Then there is this other one, isolation and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient. This is still, I didn't look at it today, I admit, I didn't look at it today, but I looked at it like six months ago or a year ago.
00:48:31
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This article, so everybody's basing everything, the lockdowns in the US on this one first patient. This article is still a pre-print.
00:48:42
Speaker
What does it mean? This article was tossed out there in March 2020, was not reviewed by peers. They didn't criticize it. that That's another thing. I have one whole podcast with...
00:49:00
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who I was with Mike Donio, I think, on the end of COVID, the whole, the end of COVID series, is we had a deep dive into peer review. That's the whole, I mean, that's a whole other thing, but this was not even peer reviewed.
00:49:18
Speaker
Although that is completely biased, but if we want to go with their understanding of things, you guys didn't even peer review this thing and you are claiming all sorts of stuff, right? So it's complete nonsense.
00:49:30
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But I just want to go into these papers. So this is the one that was used. So this paper kind of found that sequence that was later on used by um Dr. Drosten, who we now know he doesn't even have PhD, Drosten from Germany, from um Robert Koch Institute, right, who designed these primers to do amplifications to do all the PCR.
00:50:01
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So what is so bizarre um They say there was this one patient that reported to the Central Hospital in Wuhan on the 26th of December 2019, experiencing severe respiratory syndrome that included fever, dizziness and cough.
00:50:20
Speaker
I mean, major, never seen symptoms, right? Fever, dizziness and cough has never been seen. I mean, they've they made a big deal out of symptoms that pretty much everybody that's not careful that's eating, especially eating crap or thinking crap gets, especially in the winter, right? I mean, it's normal. So they made a big deal out of these symptoms.
00:50:43
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And they immediately immediately jump onto metagenomic RNA sequencing, which I will explain what it means, of a sample of bronchoalveolar lavash fluid from the patient identified a new RNA virus strain for the family, coronaviridae, which is designated here, blah, blah, blah. This was the old name.
00:51:05
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And now it's called SARS-CoV-2. the virus, they call it a virus that causes COVID-19, right? So, I mean, metagenomic RNA sequencing, what is it?
00:51:19
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Metagenomic RNA sequencing is stuff that is done in a computer. computer does that. So, computer is first trained to learn how to stitch things together.
00:51:32
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So, what we do, you feed... um You use very short reads. You first degrade the the the RNA that you obtained from the sample.
00:51:45
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um It is clear, it's never, um viral RNA is not purified for the sample from the sample. You purify total RNA. ah The trick is how they trick people to believe that it's viral RNA that's being purified is by the kit being called viral RNA purification kit.
00:52:08
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As if viral RNA is any different from human RNA. Some people might think it is, it's exactly the same. There is no difference in in chemical properties, let's call them.
00:52:20
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Of course, sequences are different, but that doesn't matter. Chemical properties are the same. So ah that kit will not be separating one from the other. So what we do, we have these short reads, and then the computer stitches them together.
00:52:37
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um The amazing work was done, like amazing work was done by I think his name, his handle on Twitter or X now is US mortality.
00:52:50
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He is looking into how they never really were able to stitch this thing. Like what they claim is the sequence. It was never even stitched together by them. So they also claiming something that they found when they didn't even find it.
00:53:07
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I mean, it's it's weird. It's all a bunch of lies and deception and all sorts of other stuff so the interesting thing is so this is in their method methodology so when you read their methodology i have a graphic um here so the short reads the short reads that are usually 100 150 nucleotides long in this one sample they had more than 56 million of the short reads okay they're all different sequences some are like att gc blah blah blah this and that whatever
00:53:41
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Okay, so they're using two computer softwares that are able to stitch these things together. So the first um is called mega heat and it puts together 384,000 assemblies. So this stitch together stuff is called an assembly. Okay, so it puts together this many assemblies where the longest one is 30,000 nucleotides long.
00:54:11
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And this one puts together 1 million and some, where the longest one is 11,000 nucleotides long. So again, use some common sense. If you get a different result from two different softwares,
00:54:26
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Which one do you trust? Oh yeah, I trust this one because this is what I expect. I expect my result to be in the range of 30,000 nucleotides. So I am definitely going with this one. So I completely ignore what's going on here.
00:54:43
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Because no no, no, no, this one probably is wrong, but this one is correct because, you know. So if a person that has no idea what sequencing is, what what any of this is, if the person like that sees this, the person would be screaming.
00:55:00
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The person that is completely ignorant of what's going on in labs, the person would be screaming and yelling and saying, how are you ignoring one thing going with the other one? I mean, you cannot have different results, right? And just then pick and choose.
00:55:15
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And what is so interesting in their methodology, they actually tell us something. So it's down here. Non-human reads generated by filtering host reads using the human genome um were used for this analysis.
00:55:36
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So they're actually telling us between the lines that there are human reads in these mix of 56 million reads.
00:55:48
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So what does this tell me? Sequent sample has not been purified virus has not been isolated. So again, when people yeah yeah it was done on an isolated virus, it was not because they clearly tell you that many, many, many of these 56 million short reads.
00:56:08
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belong to humans and actually if you look at this it's 23 million are non-human which could still be bacteria viruses who knows I mean based on if we just go off of what the official science now is is talking about right And you have 32 million human reads, so how does this make any sense?
00:56:31
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So of course it doesn't make any sense, right? But we went with, this is the the genome, and this is where where where we designed these primers, and it just all went very fast down into lockdowns, right?
00:56:47
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So I just want to bring something up because Drosten wrote that paper that came out. So when you submit a scientific paper, um it usually takes weeks, if not months for the paper to be published.
00:57:06
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That paper where he published um those primers that will be used for screening, that paper was published within 24 hours. ah Later on, there was, ah I don't know, the year later, there was another paper that was was published by different people that were calling out this Drosten paper.
00:57:31
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So it's called, I think it was called the Corman Drosten report, where they were pretty much saying, you know, with this paper, this, this, this, this this is wrong. Like with this, with the design of PCR, whatever, whatever.
00:57:45
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then some of those same authors from the second paper actually wrote another paper where they were actually claiming pcr can be used for diagnosis but This primer should have been selected in a different area of the viral genome.
00:58:04
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So they're pretty much they still believe in viruses, they still believe that PCR can be a diagnostic test. It was just like primers were not placed in a proper position on this on this viral genome. I got in touch with Dr. Fabio Francki.
00:58:21
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He's been, he's an epidemiologist, I think. So he's been working in Italy. He's been screaming about HIV AIDS back in the day.
00:58:32
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And he was so lucky he didn't lose his job. They just told him, just don't say it in front of patients, just don't, but he still had his job. Now he's retired, but he's been on this whole thing for a long time.
00:58:46
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And um I got in touch with him. So at the end we wrote a reply to this camera paper that was still claiming PCR is kind of a thing that can be used for diagnosis and we pretty much said no and of course they replied to our paper again saying that we don't know what we're talking about but there you go they're just unwilling to let go of the virus story right that's that's the main point so
00:59:18
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um But yeah, I mean, I just, this is what I have about sequencing. I'll go into a few things about how fear was keeping them, where where where it's been keeping us. But if you if we want to comment on this, please go ahead. Yeah.
00:59:35
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Absolutely. Well, I just, it's, you highlight it really well. And I think your graphs are fantastic. um You know, there are so many things about sequencing that are, it's a little bit silly, isn't it? It's like all of it's uncontrolled. It's all, it's in the computer.
00:59:51
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um You know, you're looking at it's, it it showcases theory ladenness the best in my opinion, you know, You pick the sequence that fits the theory or the expected finding.
01:00:06
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Why didn't you pick the 11,000 nucleotide sequence to be the virus? Well, because 30,000 is the one that is identified with coronaviruses. So you want to call it a coronavirus, it needs to be around the same so they can say, oh, it belongs to the coronavirus family.
01:00:23
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even though the sequences like when you look at sarah's covey one versus sarah's covey two i can't remember the percentage but it's quite an uh it's like a high percentage uh off you know in the genetic sequence whereas supposedly the human genome and a monkey genome is like 97 percent similar but that like the c sarah's covey is like 25 percent i percent less I forget the exact numbers, but it's significantly less.
01:00:49
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And we're very different from a monkey, you know, and if you you know, just assuming that all that's true, ah that's just a huge inconsistency there. But they group together because 30,000 nucleotides, they must be a part of the same family. And they it's all theory ladenness, right? It's all how can we fit this into our preconceived ideas and theories?
01:01:11
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um you know, the whole process goes pretty well uncontrolled. ah In slide 12, you had a really good graph kind of showing how the the short reads are pieced together to create the longer reads.
01:01:25
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You know, yeah you're looking here and I know this is like kind of a shortened version of it, but what you see, like, you know, you got GT at the end. of one and it starts at the other one. But then you also have GT over in the other nucleotide. So why can't they bind together?
01:01:44
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you know, it's there's going to overlap. There's going to be mistakes made. ah So a criticism that I've heard from, you know, molecular biologists that agree with the whole virus thing is they're like, well, scientists from around the world have been able to sequence the SARS-CoV-2 and I'll get the same results.
01:02:02
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And I say, no, they don't. First of all, yeah they get different results and then they call them variants and it's more backfill to fit their theory. Right. They're objectively their are mistakes and their inconsistencies.
01:02:17
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We call them variants so that they fit our whole preconceived ideas of viruses and our theories that we have. So I think that was kind of a point I just wanted to to make there as well. Any any thoughts on that?
01:02:28
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Yes, no, that's that's a great point. And another thing here, I simplified it. So I really put it as it's always matching. No, no, no, no, no. we are We actually go by the p-value. So what is the ah probability that this thing, so very often you can have in this, in the overlapping area, you can have nucleotides lead that do not overlap.
01:02:53
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And you still assume, yeah, yeah, this belongs here because, you know, the probability block. So it's all based on probability. So this was my easy way just for people to kind of understand how it works.
01:03:05
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But we need to understand that it's very often it's not not even 100% overlapping. One thing i've I've been doing, so I'm kind of able to talk about this metagenomic sequencing because I've done it when we were looking for And this then ties us into the genetics. So I've been working on human genetics of disease.
01:03:28
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So I grew up as more of a microbiologist working on bacteria and and genetics and biochemistry. But in 2008, I moved to a cancer center and doing human genetics of disease. So I started kind of looking into how genes affect our health, right? And how everything is hereditary and so on and so forth.
01:03:52
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And what we were doing, we were looking at, we were sequencing human genome And we were looking for variants that would be shared in a family where, let's say we have several individuals in that family that have thyroid cancer.
01:04:09
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So what do you do? You grab blood from the ones that have thyroid cancer, the ones that don't have thyroid cancer, and you sequence them. And then you look for a variant that is shared among the ones that have the cancer, but it's not present in the ones that have, that don't have cancer, right?
01:04:29
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But then again, if you find the variant that you claim is causing the disease and you find it in a healthy individual, um you say, oh this person is just too young, so the cancer is still not developed.
01:04:43
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Oh, this person's immune system is so amazing that the cancer didn't develop. So you find all of these excuses, let's just call them, right?
01:04:54
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So what I've seen We called several variants when we've done our ah sequencing using the computer like this.
01:05:06
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We found several variants and at the end I had to confirm them. Are they really present or not? So how do we do that? We go back to the original DNA. We just do a very short PCR, amplify that and throw that into the sequencer.
01:05:24
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And most times did not, those mutations were not confirmed. They just were not. So at the end, I mean, this is again, that's why I think it's very important for me that I went through my,
01:05:42
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It was hard to let go of, you know, my programming and everything, but I went through certain things to see what's going on, what's going on in science for me to easier than or understand or explain to others how we are being fooled and how easy it is to really just sell us stuff that Probably is not even there.
01:06:05
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So all of those variants in, so there are these, what are they called? The phylogenetic trees of viruses, right? Because, oh, they have some variant, blah, blah, blah.
01:06:17
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Most of those variants are mistakes in sequencing. that's that's what it is. But no, it's a new variant and it's a new um terrible virus. So yeah, no, ah you made great points and thank you for for jumping in like that because it's it's important. No, it makes it clear for people.
01:06:35
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I think it's it's really important. Yeah, no, I think the last thing I wanted to mention was just before you even kind of got into the sequencing, you were looking at a few papers there and it was, um you said one had incomplete methods.
01:06:49
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Yeah. um One wasn't peer reviewed. Uh, and then, you know, later on you were kind of sprinkling in some problems with reproducibility with confirmation of the sequences, using their own methods, of course.
01:07:02
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Um, and there just being inconsistencies there, you know, these were some of the things that, you know, were talked about science, like in my degree, you know, and I took some writing for the sciences courses, you know, the philosophy of science, stuff like that.
01:07:19
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And even my professors, my molecular professors, genetics professors, all of it, they would always say, if it's not, if the methods aren't clear, you may as well throw the whole paper out because it's it's just it's it's bad science.
01:07:33
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Maybe the paper is true, but at the end of the day, that's not how their science works. If the methods aren't clear, if you can't go into the lab with the methods of a paper and redo the whole experiment,
01:07:47
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That's like the fundamental thing that you need in a paper. That that is what i was told so many times because reproducibility is, you know, the fundamental tenant of empiricism.
01:08:00
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If it's going to be true, you need to be able to reproduce your results over and over and over again. no problem. That's how we understand the truth and empiricism, but it's just not done. And when we have incomplete methods, you know, sure,
01:08:14
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Maybe it is. Maybe the paper is true. But according to their own standards, the paper is trash. You know, so I just think that's funny that you read these papers and the methods are in an external document that are hard to find or, you know, they're incomplete.
01:08:30
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Or, you know, they're lacking very important necessary details, even the cell culture details. When did they starve the cells? What did they starve it to? What were the concentrations of fetal bovine serum?
01:08:41
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Different stuff like that, which we know can alter the results of cell cultures. Same with PCR. You rarely see that PCR methods are... included in as much detail that would be needed.
01:08:53
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You know, and it's funny, then I go talk to scientists and they say, well, any molecular biologist should know this. You should know how to do a cell culture. You should know how to do PCR. You know, and I'm like, okay, well, again, we're you're kind of contradicting yourself. It's a little bit hypocritical. And I just think that's kind of it it just breaks itself down. And all I had to take, it was a good objective look at the field of academia.
01:09:15
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And all of this kind of just came to me. It was really easy to see these inconsistencies, but as we're going to kind of get into here ah you know, there's something inside of us that, you know, doesn't allow us to see that when you're in the field and you know, there's the ego, there's the status, there's the criticism that you're going to get from your peers, different stuff like that. And, you know,
01:09:36
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Anyway, it's a whole huge problem. Yeah. No, you made good points. Another thing that I want to bring up is I didn't even really realize it.
01:09:48
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But what we usually do when we read a paper, we read abstract and conclusions. And then if that kind of we go to result, I mean, if we want to try and do something similar, we would read the rest, we would really go deep in the results and you know methodology blah blah.
01:10:08
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But if it's really just to see all this laboratory found this and this, we read abstract and we read conclusions. So only after it was pointed out to me that many methodology sections are lacking. I'm like, yeah, i I noticed it before, like even on my own, right? When I was trying to reproduce something, but I'm like, oh, so right, this is really important. So yourne don't be just like, don't just say, yeah, yeah, we know that, but...
01:10:41
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Okay, so then let's go back. So now every time my first thing is first I look at methodology, like if somebody is claiming something, let's say the title claims something, and then people throw the paper at me.
01:10:54
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I'm like, okay, let me look at methodology. If methodology is nonsense, I'm like, sorry, I'm throwing the whole thing away. And I also know how, I mean, I wrote several papers, not one, not two.
01:11:07
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I mean, co-wrote first author, whatever. and i know how it's done and it's not even intentional i mean it's not this that we are sitting there and you know how now how to trick people no no no no no this is what majority of people doesn't understand i mean even the ones that are kind of claiming oh yeah we are so aware and awake and then they call everybody stupid ah be careful calling other people stupid because it might bite you at some point, right?
01:11:41
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Because most of it is not intentional. We just learn to do things in a certain way. We learn to use certain terminology that's kind of, um she Chances are that like something i'm not even using the correct term but yeah my experiment is indicating or my experiment is indicating that this protein is interacting with that protein.
01:12:07
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I mean science indicating that's not that shouldn't be a thing or it is or it is not it's not like indicating maybe with a certain probability, you know the P value of.
01:12:19
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So many zero, so the chances are very high that this is, so I mean this is not science right and we do a lot of these P values so. Vida Dujmovicini- lot of it is really not intentional it's good people being misled it's good people just participating in the whole thing and then it's hard to start questioning when you're I mean really your livelihood depends on.
01:12:47
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going along pretty much and especially if you have family i mean for me it was also easier i don't have kids it's me and my husband if we had to restart everything brand new move out of california whatever i mean we were determined we would have done that but once you have kids it can get a little tricky or if your spouse is not on board with you Ana de Bettencourt- are like screaming and then you're trying to get out of academia, or whatever and they're looking at you like you're the crazy one, you know what I mean so it's so I do understand why like people are caught in a trap.
01:13:28
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And some are, but I know that some are willingly deceiving people. At this point, what I see on X, some of those accounts, they are willingly deceiving people, talking about viruses have been isolated, this and that. I mean, it's insane.
01:13:45
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That's not even funny. Yeah, no, I think that's a really good point, though. There are certainly some people out there doing that, but, you know, generally it's not. Right. And it's that it's that theory-relatedness point that that Thomas Kuhn spoke about. Right. ah When you read the results section of a paper and you read the discussion section, usually there's inconsistencies in there. And right. Because we're just taking the results and we're applying it to everything that we learned in school. Right. You apply it to everything that you learn. you If you believe in the whole virus narrative and you have results, you're going to write the discussion section a little bit differently than someone who, you know, understands that the methods are flawed. And, you know, anyways, it's.
01:14:30
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there I think that's a really great point. If you're going to assess papers, always start with the methods flinging through the abstracts and is not the way to read science. Yeah, yeah, that's great.
01:14:44
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Yeah. um Cool. ah Did you have a few more slides you wanted to share here? I just want to bring up the point. So what happened to me yeah was...
01:14:56
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very fast, so this was already in 2020, I'm like, when I still thought that viruses existed, so I was still, I knew that PCR could not diagnose, I was still okay, but viruses exist.
01:15:08
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I somehow stumbled upon papers like, I mean, publications like this in psychology today, where they're really saying how anxiety can make you feel sick, can make you produce the same symptoms as the ones that are being called COVID, right?
01:15:25
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So at one point I had this, oh, so this is how this wheel is turning. So people were being presented with these high numbers of positives, right?
01:15:39
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Red numbers on on TV, on CNN, on BBC, whatever, depending which country you lived in, right? Red numbers of cases and deaths. So you are watching that like pretty much the whole time.
01:15:54
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you start getting a panic attack. If you've never had a panic attack before, you don't even know how it feels, right? So you don't know what it is, so you cannot connect it, it's a panic attack, but you have problems breathing.
01:16:07
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Then what would happen? You go to the emergency room. What were emergency rooms doing? They were testing for COVID, And they all of those tests at the beginning were positive because they were turning those the number of cycles to 45, right?
01:16:24
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So this is how people with no virus, they ended up in emergency rooms, they ended up with on ventilators, they ended up on remdesivir, right? I mean, it's it's insane how just with propaganda, you get people to die i mean because i did start saying i mean i'm still on facebook they didn't kick me off and i'm very loud um i started saying to some people i'm really sorry for your loss but we think because your loved one was killed by
01:17:08
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doctors nurses because they didn't just die just like that and i have a very good friend who's a who's a nurse a senior nurse at um over here in california and at first she was thinking i was crazy when i was saying you know viruses don't exist but then she was able to back down connect the dots she was being told some things by her um by the nurses that she was overseeing um and a lot of those nurses some were from ah former Yugoslavia so a different way of seeing things being from Bosnia gives you a different outlook on the world Bosnia was in the war for a very long time in the 90s so so these ladies were coming and reporting look I think what we are being told to follow is killing people I mean
01:18:06
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people were coming out with with all this information, not being very loud, but...
Mental Health and Misdiagnoses During COVID
01:18:11
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So it's hard to accept, right? All of this information are hard to accept. But what's so interesting, this is a paper that I first heard when Alex Zak brought it up.
01:18:24
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And I mean, it's the CDC. It's from the CDC. It's from the horse's mouth directly. So what they... um In this paper, you can find word fear 12 times.
01:18:39
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So they are actually saying that, so the strongest risk factor for death were obesity, Anxiety and fear-related disorders are on the second place.
01:18:51
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So they are telling you that fear killed people through the mechanism, as I said, finding themselves in the hospital. I mean, it's it's insane, but you'd say this to some molecular biologist that is still convinced that, you know, PCR is all good and sequence we have and virus has been isolated. I mean, they will not accept it.
01:19:15
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They will not accept it, but it's written. um It's up here. I mean, written by the CDC. So it's it's insane. it's It's really insane.
01:19:26
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yeah that is yeah i mean fear is the is the disease fear is the virus that's what it's contagious and it's uh it's deadly for sure exactly and yeah for for people that um want to know more about fear being the real virus so mike stone i'm sure that you know him viral ig.com I mean, what he's putting out, I always say, Mike, you are still pulling stuff out that makes no sense. I'm not even able to look at that. I mean, I'm really, I get sick and he's just like putting it out there, just pointing out the complete nonsense, right?
01:20:07
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But yeah, he wrote a very good, um a very good what do you call it b blog whatever on the fear is the real virus where he really goes and finds research that is saying all of those symptoms can be had just by being in fear I mean all of those symptoms I mean it's a very good it's a long article but it's very good I translated it in my language because I'm like this needs to be shared I mean this needs to be this needs to be known and his viraligy.com is a very good resource for that so yeah he really is yeah absolutely do yeah um do we just briefly just want to throw the DNA because we said something about the DNA let's do it why not if you got the time I'm open for it let's do it yeah just I mean it's so
01:21:01
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The, when was this? I think it was December, 2021. Dawn Lester and another friend of ours, they sent me this critical review paper was written by, I think her name is Tamara.
01:21:19
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it's It's been circulating around. Yeah, yeah, I think they sent it to me as soon as it came out. And I admit, I didn't read it for months.
01:21:31
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I didn't touch it for months because at that point I already knew that viruses, virology are a big scam, but I've been working with DNA. I've seen quote unquote DNA, right?
01:21:46
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As I'm working with it. So I'm like, no, no, no, I cannot go down this route, right? I cannot go down questioning what are nucleotides? What is what is dna What is RNA?
01:21:58
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They contacted me months later, they contacted me again and my mindset was okay. These are my friends. They've only been been putting out truth.
01:22:12
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So they don't want harm on me. Like they don't want me to, you know, like whatever suffer. They just want to, because really what they wanted to do, they wanted to understand if there is any truth to this because they're not experts. They're not molecular biologists, right?
01:22:29
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So they wanted to hear my input. So they sent it to me again, we chatted and I'm like, okay, let me jump in. I jumped.
01:22:41
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And boy, this was amazing because This is the paper. I mean, she discusses, um I don't know if you can put later on, I can send you the link if you can put this link in the description box or whatever. um Yeah.
01:22:59
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So some parts are hard to understand if you are not in the field, right? But it's it's very well written. So even if just you go through fast, um there will be interesting things in there.
01:23:13
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But over the years, I've known about this Watson and Crick paper. This is the foundational paper like here, Watson and Crick, the foundational paper of DNA structure being a double helix and all of that. Right.
01:23:32
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So. I've seen this paper before. I've seen this paper during my studies. um It's not something that I've never seen before, but I've never really sat down and read it and understood what I was reading. Because when you start over here, like at the beginning, we wish to suggest a structure for the salt of oxy blah, blah, blah, blah. blah So you wish to suggest and we grabbed it as if it's the truth and we ran with it.
01:24:06
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Wow. So, I mean, this was enough for me to be like, okay, so I guess there is some truth to this um analysis of what DNA is and what DNA is not. So, yeah, it's also DNA is all fiction. So again, this is just telling me there are so many layers to deception Ana Bettencourt- the other in the other direction there are so many layers to the awakening.
01:24:35
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de Bettencourt- So we cannot have people to jump immediately from you know being completely asleep to being completely awake they're just most just won't won't go that way so, unfortunately, we that we know we've gone through.
01:24:53
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We kind of know we kind of need to grab them by the hand and show them things that they're they're able to digest. And what I can say, actually, so I think this is that for right now.
01:25:06
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But what what I said, i actually was working in the lab with two of my coworkers. I was helping one, a younger, she's a grad student. and there was my co co-worker, she's a postdoctoral fellow.
01:25:20
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They were chatting and they were complaining how in grad school they need to go and read all these old papers. It makes no sense. They want to do research, you know.
01:25:31
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And I turned around to this younger one and I said, have you ever read the original Watson and Crick paper? The one that I showed you, the 1953 nature.
01:25:42
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and she goes yeah yeah yeah we just we were just reading it now i'm like but did you sit down and read it or did you just read it the way i read it like 20 years ago right because i remembered how i read it i completely skipped the part that they were just suggesting and proposing right and she goes and i go if you really sit down and read it you will see dna how did i put it dna is another lie or something My other co-worker who knows the corruption in labs, how things are working, so she's aware of that.
01:26:20
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She left for a second when to do something came back and she goes, Irnea, tell me more. I'm intrigued. the other one didn't want to know more because she's too young she hasn't really seen what's going on but this one has enough experience and again she's not hundred years old she's 30 but she's gone through grad school and a few years here and there so she has the experience so so over the years we came to the point she listened to my explanation of pcr
01:26:51
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and she said i've been nodding the whole time and i've been agreeing with what you have to say although she did get the covid vaccine because when the lockdown started she was pregnant she was in fear she was worried you know her baby blah blah blah all of that but now we came to the point when i say and viruses don't exist she doesn't laugh anymore Because before she would still say, oh, my daughter brought home, you know.
01:27:21
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And now I say that to her and she immediately, even if she tried maybe to say my daughter brought again something, I just say, but you know viruses don't exist. She's like, oh yeah, right. So then I go, you know, it's stress, right?
01:27:34
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You know you're stressed. She's like, you're right. Because she's stressed, she's writing grants, whatever. So this is how the change is happening. Like one, it's so,
01:27:46
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Annoying because it's so slow, I would prefer like to have everybody in front of me and like just teach everybody at the same time, but no it's one person at a time when they're ready pretty much.
01:27:58
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Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it has to kind of, you got to kind of be open and receptive to it. Like I remember I was just had Dawn on the podcast and I was telling her about how when i read what really makes you ill, I skipped over the whole injection section because I didn't want to come to terms with it. Right. It was I and then, you know, obviously going back and reading it and um afterwards. Right. But, you know, there were so many things that I, you know, even though no no virus thing, I I didn't learn about it for a long time.
01:28:26
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I was kind of late to the game learning about it because was like okay, bacteria and all this stuff, they all don't cause disease, but they exist. Like, you know, viruses exist. And then eventually I was open enough and it was sort of an interesting journey, right? To just see how, you know, as you peel the layers back and now it's vitamins and DNA and all of these things, right? It's so interesting how it can keep going and going and going. And um I think it we can really come full circle here to your introductory,
01:28:56
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um ah answer to what health is and, you know, mentioning that sometimes, you know, you don't need to think about these things, right? Like, you know, it's really great. Like we need it in this day and age because so many people are, we know everything, science knows everything. So we need to be able to dismantle it step by step. But at the end of the day, like you don't need to think about, know,
01:29:21
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you know, viruses or DNA or genetics or any of these things to be healthy and to be the optimal version of yourself, you know?
Reflecting on Health Simplicity and Open-Mindedness
01:29:31
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So um that's just kind of the direction that I've been going into. Right. and And just the path I'm going down, you know, it's, I love learning about this stuff, but you don't necessarily need to know it, right? Like the natives didn't know about any of this stuff and they were perfectly fine. They were healthy and had great dental structure and all this good stuff. So.
01:29:51
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yeah You know, anything that you want to add to the episode? Any final thoughts? Now be the time. Yeah, my final thoughts are more for the people that are losing patience, let's say.
01:30:06
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I mean, we are here to be trained in... being patient. That's what our ah one of our jobs is, just be patient and things are changing. I mean, we came so far in such a short time.
01:30:23
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I mean, not just me, myself, but I see the whole reality. I mean, people are slowly awakening. Again, not everybody will first awaken to the lie about viruses. Some will first awaken right now, seeing all the money that's being siphoned to all these crazy different places.
01:30:42
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ah that's being discovered. So some people will finally jump on that and be like, okay, this we are not okay with, right? So they might still believe that, you know, um elections are good and that viruses exist, but they will start slowly maybe questioning. And you just need this one card, right?
01:31:02
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Because everything is connected. You pull that and then it just starts rolling. I mean, you just need to be open to really... Yeah, to be open and really have everything you've ever known dismantled. And, you know, I i put a couple of books that helped me over here is, I mean, from ah scientist, I came all the way to the self-aware universe, how consciousness creates material world. so Cool.
01:31:34
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I've never read that book. Oh, I wouldn't believe like if you told me in 2020 or 2019 I would be ah going down this path, how matter really doesn't matter.
01:31:47
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I would be like, you're crazy. You know, I'm crazy because so that's that's one thing. And another one that my. Ana de Bettencourt-NASA, she kind of told me to look into this one Joseph Murphy he passed away already some time ago, he was water psychologist I guess the power of your subconscious mind and it's funny she.
01:32:10
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I was telling her she's a psychology student, she is a therapist right now, like family therapist, and I told her about sequencing and you know how viruses don't exist and PCR and she didn't understand any of that right, so we were talking she didn't understand because it was not her.
01:32:29
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or um Dr. Maria Tlalapuola-Felze, she was very, very very very
01:32:39
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she came from a different direction so so she came from here when dr murphy says we create disease. I mean, what's in your mind you create. so So she came from this other direction. So it's like when we are trying to push our way on of understanding on people to wake them up that way, it might not work with them.
01:33:02
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So we kind of need to listen and if we can help them maybe with our knowledge to see it in a certain way, fine. I mean, I know that I'm here to help my fellow scientists when the time comes when they're ready to start seeing things to really lead them.
01:33:22
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by the hand. um Other people are here coming from more from a spiritual wo background or whatever, they will be doing it in that way. But each person is doing their thing.
01:33:37
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What I like the way I see it, we just need to always do the right thing. Ana Bettencourt- that's what we are here for just always do the right thing if we are shown one or the other, and one is clearly wrong but leads to a little bit more money.
01:33:55
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de Bettencourt- don't know if that's the way right because again it's money is important, but.
01:34:06
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It's a different reality that what we were told. There is no lack of anything if we're open. I mean, I'm still not fully ready to completely surrender. That's why I haven't jumped from my job yet, because I still think that I have something to do in there with my coworkers. But at some point you just jump and trust and this is how we move on. So yeah, that's...
01:34:32
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Thank you so much for having me. Really. Thank you. It was fun. And you made yes very, very good points. Thank you so much for that. Yeah. Wrapping things. No, no. I really, really appreciate your time and, and all your, the slides were fantastic. Your wisdom is is amazing and we're you're an amazing mind. So we're happy to have you anytime.
01:34:54
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Is there anywhere that the listener can, you know, find your work or any way they can, they can support you? um So most of my work is in Slovene, so that's not going to help.
01:35:06
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um But I actually do have a video that maybe I'll have you link because where I end up all the way here. So I i start from PCR and I end up with the subconscious mind. So I can share that with you. But I'm on Facebook, not under my real name. I go with my husband's last name, Jernia Kazerta.
01:35:30
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And then I'm on Twitter at Zianini SLO. So it's
01:35:43
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That's my candle. Perfect. We'll put some links down below for for the listener too. Yeah, because you're an amazing mind and you have some great stuff to share. So maybe one day we'll have to revisit the DNA stuff more in depth and we could probably tear down a few more topics. So I wouldn't mind because I mean, now it's really I jump and everybody that keeps saying, oh, but genetic disease, breast cancer is 5%
Conclusion and Engagement Encouragement
01:36:11
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genetic. It's genetic.
01:36:15
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just saying so yeah Yeah, um I would love to be back anytime. So thank you. Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for your time. Thank you.
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