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Dr. Tom Cowan on Genetics, Heredity, Education, and Scientific Nonsense
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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Tom Cowan for a wide-ranging and provocative conversation that challenges many foundational beliefs in modern science and medicine. Through out the episode, Dr. Cowan cleverly gives many examples on the flaws in genetic theory, quantum physics, virology, cell biology, etc. We begin with the simple question: What is health?, and get the most unique answer yet! From there, dive deep into the flaws and limitations of scientific methodology as it's practiced today.
Dr. Cowan exposes the rise of make-believe science, where theories are built without grounding in observable reality. We explore whether we can truly know the truth, and weather it is worth thinking about.
We also explore deeply human questions—What do we tell our kids? How do we raise them in a world built on unstable paradigms? Dr. Cowan emphasizes responsibility in health and life, the power of self-fulfilling prophecies, and how the narratives we operate in affect us.
The conversation takes on big themes like heritable illness, the ongoing nature vs. nurture debate, and the importance of detaching from outcomes when seeking truth. We wrap up by revisiting major problems in science and diving into the misunderstood concepts of the immune system and antibodies.
This episode is both philosophical and practical—an invitation to question, explore, and take ownership of your understanding of health. Don’t miss it.
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Defining Health: Common Misconceptions
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As an introductory question, I ask all my guests ah to define health.
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What is health? How does it manifest? What does it look like? ah Kind of leave it a little open-ended for you to take it in any direction that you'd like. So little definition for for health.
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Big question. Yeah, I don't and don't think that's the right question, actually. What would you ask? What would I ask? Yeah. ah It depends what I want to know.
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yeah enough The problem with asking what health is, is that anybody's quote definition will be incorrect. And so then you start right away with an incorrect definition.
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conclusion, assumption, hypothesis. And, you know, I, somebody, I think it was Aristotle or somebody said, give me an assumption and I can prove anything.
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Sure. So you start with nonsense and then it's going to deteriorate from there. and so I don't, there's no way I can tell you what health means, you know? Sure.
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So, you know, and it's, I wouldn't bother doing that. Fair enough. So would you say, I guess, that in a way it's a little bit subjective then, I guess, what what health would mean to someone? You know, we've asked the question. It's funny because we've asked the question about 75 times now, and it it has been a different different definition every single time.
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Right. That's like why there's 18 definitions of the cell membrane, but only one definition of a schnauzer dog.
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And it's because nobody has seen a cell membrane, so they're free to make up whatever nonsense they want. But not everybody has seen a schnauzer dog, but you can go and look at it, and they always look the same, more or less.
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I know there's somebody out there who says their schnauzer dog looks different than ah the other schnauzer dogs, but basically they look the same. So you're actually confined by reality.
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Whereas if you're talking about viruses or cell membranes or genetics or evolution. You know, you're not confined by reality.
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So you can make up whatever nonsense you want. And nobody knows is any wiser because they think it's somehow profound or real. Like this sounds like a ah fundamental problem in
Critique of Scientific Claims and Virus Theory
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science, right? Because I was taught in school, obviously, a lot of nonsense as well. But, you know we were taught that communication is some of the most important part.
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of science, right? So, you know, papers and the discussion section is there was a huge emphasis on that, right? So, you know, is that kind of one of the things that's holding science and even empiricism back?
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Well, science as we practice it today is a essentially a process of of there's different words for it but basically like post hoc explanations and what i mean by that is they start with a claim and then the claim gets disproven and then they have a fork in the road so they can either say well that that theory or that hypothesis has been disproven
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or they can make up a new story to keep the old story going. So let me give you an example. please In the, around the late 1800s, they said there was these particles, things you couldn't see called viruses.
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And every time somebody was encountered a virus, they would get sick. In other words, there was a virus that caused chickenpox, right? Chickenpox is a distinct disease, and there's a specific virus that caused chickenpox.
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And everybody who gets around somebody with chickenpox will get the virus, and then they'll get sick, right? That was still what they said.
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Now, they then went out into the world and realized that they said, well, this person has chickenpox, so they must have the virus. And this person was around them, and they didn't get sick.
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Right? So that disproved that claim that everybody around this first person with the virus gets sick. So you could then say, yeah, that theory isn't any good. There may be not even a virus because we didn't see it and we didn't know. We didn't really have any reason for thinking that that's how it worked.
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But or you could say that's because the people who don't get sick have a good immune system and they know how to protect themselves against the virus.
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yeah And so that became the, what I'm calling the post hoc explanation for a falsified claim. And then, then they move on and say, well, what is this immune system based on?
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Antibodies, right? We all know that. So that's the next claim. So in other words, if you make antibodies, those are like proteins, Those protect you against getting sick from the virus, right?
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So you get measles, that's a virus, and then you make antibodies, and then you don't get sick from the virus ever again.
Understanding Immunity and Misconceptions
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You have bumps, that's a virus, you don't get sick, ever you make antibodies, you don't get sick ever again.
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You get the flu, you make antibodies, you don't get sick ever again, except you get sick the next year and then every year after that. But that's because the virus knew how to escape from the antibodies.
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And then you get antibodies to HIV, and that means you're going to die from the virus. And I remember hearing that as when I graduated from medical school.
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And I thought, what the fuck? You know, like I just spent four years learning that if I have antibodies, I'm protected. And this guy, Gallo, gets on the television and says, yeah, if you got antibodies, that means you're going to die.
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ah But everybody believed it and they still believe it. And they still test people for antibodies thinking that that means they're immune to the virus. And then you have somebody who tests for antibodies ah like against measles and they're positive, but they didn't never have the shot for measles.
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And you say, well, then they don't need the shot, right? Because they have, they're immune to measles. No, we don't believe antibodies. So you still have to get the shot.
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This is a comedy. Yeah. Make-believe. Yeah, it is. it's It's storytelling, right? It's storytelling. And you either have to ignore the contradiction or you have to spin a ah story about it to to make it fit, right? It's got to fit in some way.
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It's nonsense. It's just... making up stories rather than saying, you know what, this whole thing wasn't right from the get-go. Anyways, how did you know it was true?
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And they never do that. So they just keep s spinning the story. And they do they do that with... economics and politics and you know the russians are bad guys no the nato's the bad guys and then they spin the story and zelensky's a clown and he plays the piano with his genitals you know there's some youtube so that and you think wait a minute uh it's just theater yeah Physics, is it's just it's
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it's make-believe. They tell you that that things are in two places at the same time, right? That's quantum physics. You've heard that, right? Yep. So like, it's very useful actually, because I have a house that I like and and I want a house on the beach.
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So I just bought some property by the beach and I'm going have my house be in both places at the same time, because that's how physics works. And and it's that's saved me a lot of money.
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Yeah. That would be nice. the That would be really nice. Yeah. Yeah. Physics, they say when two things are, when something is moving, and you can never tell thing A, thing B, which one is moving because movement is always relative to each other. Right?
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So you can't say a is moving and B is still, or B is moving and A is still. They're only, you can only say they're moving relative to each other. Now, that may sound weird, but it's actually very useful because ever since I realized that, I don't go to the store to buy food anymore. I wait for the store to come to me.
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and I can tell you it saved me a lot of money on food bills. And, you know, you lose a little weight and all because you don't eat as much. that's Because so far, the store hasn't actually come yet.
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But I know it's a principle of quantum physics. So it must be true. Yeah. The foundation is, there foundation. By way, the interesting thing about this, just to finish that, when when I asked physicists, so why why doesn't it work with my house or my dog? you know i don't have a dog, but I have a cat. like My cat isn't in two places at the same time.
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He says it's too big. So I said, what about a turtle? That's smaller. No, it's too big. What about a bacteria? No, too big. It's only one place.
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What about like a a little thing you can see under a microscope? No, too big. So it turns out the only things that are in two places are at the same time are things that are invisible. Surprise, surprise.
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And so I said, well, if they're invisible, how do you know they're not in 10 places? cut out there. Yeah, so it's interesting, right? There's there's no foundation that and there's no logic to any of this. So we, you know, over on the YouTube, we talk a lot about empiricism and and rationalism. And, you know, we kind of say that is empiricism completely useless?
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Maybe not. You might be able to make a case for it. But... you know, we need to have, you know, they use strict empiricism. Absolutely. And there needs to be logic. if we're going to use words, we need to consider, you know, semantics, logic, etymology of words, because we've got to have good meanings or, you know, in your mind, are we just fooling ourselves here with any story that we spin? Or is there more meaningful story than the other? Like, how how would you even go about that discussion? Like,
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do how Do we implement logic into this to create you know actual meaningful stories that we can tell ourselves? Or are we just kidding ourselves? I tell you, anybody who wants to get anywhere in life, here's my suggestion.
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Yeah, and this actually i didn't know this, but I've been doing this my whole life and I didn't know anybody else like did it or that it's actually like a spiritual path, which I i didn't know that.
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But it's called netty netty in Hinduism, I think, which means you don't worry about what's true. You just you just find the claim and and find out whether it is true.
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So they say the heart pumps the blood. Well, you can easily figure out that that's not possible. Now, that doesn't mean you know what moves the blood. You know, and there's ah there's a very simple example, like, and i yeah you can see what you think of this.
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Guy's 18, he's Asian, his parents are Caucasian, looks in his parents' closet, finds adoption papers, right? Goes to his parents, say, yeah you never told me I was adopted. Is it true?
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Yeah, you know, we didn't want to tell you because we didn't want to upset you. And, you know, and that's why you never saw pictures of mom pregnant, et cetera. And we got you from an orphanage in China, right? Right.
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So that's all very clear. You go to your best friend, you say, yeah, I'm a little shook up. You know, I just found out I was adopted, you know, and and he says, who are your real parents?
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I don't know. You know, i was adopted in China. i don't I don't know. He says, until you tell me who your real parents, I
Impact of Parental Actions on Child Health
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don't believe you were adopted. Like, that's crazy.
00:14:10
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That's not it's crazy. You know how many people I've said there's no evidence that measles is caused by a virus? And you know what they say? So what causes measles?
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Exactly. Like, who's your real parents? Yeah. Until you tell me who your real parents are, I'm believing that old story. Even though if you say to 99% of doctors...
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How do you prove, how does a virologist show that measles is it A, a specific disease, and B, caused by a virus? You know what their answer is? What? They have no frigging idea at all.
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None. True. They say there's a test. You say, what's the test? ah Antibody test. What is it testing? They don't know. No clue.
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Yeah. No clue. what We're obsessed with knowing, obviously. we We feel like we need to know things. I mean, I feel like that's why we've tried to explain everything out since we've been able to talk or recorded history or whatever, right?
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um We're obsessed with knowing. Now, maybe cycling this into a discussion on child rearing. You know, what... what message are we telling our kids, right? We read them storybooks. We, you know, they go to school and they learn about science and how everything works and what they should think and all this stuff.
00:15:31
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um Maybe we could cycle that in into the conversations around and maybe even your new book, I'm sure it covers this, these topics. Well, the first thing is I would, I would question sending them to school right ah because that's, that's a huge mistake. If, and you have to understand where the whole idea of school came from and what they're trying to do.
00:15:53
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But yes, I wrote a book called Common Sense Child Rearing. And the basis of it is you don't, your job, you know, we have this idea there's there's two things that really get parents.
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Like ah the first is the idea, which is a story that if you don't teach your children, that they're going to end up as savages and and homeless and cocaine addicts and in prison and young girls or some variation of that, that if you don't civilize them, that's what happens to people.
00:16:32
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There's no evidence that that's true. In fact, the evidence is that it's not like, but, ah but that's what you think. The other thing is if your child misbehaves, especially in public, you know, like does weird stuff, that's a reflection on you.
00:16:50
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and you're a bad parent and everybody can see it because your child is like having a tantrum and throwing stuff all over the place. And that means you're an incompetent parent.
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And you can't have the world seeing that even though you secretly believe it's true. So you try to do whatever you can to convince them to act more normal.
00:17:14
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Of course, they see through that and and make it worse because a child's job seems to be teaching you how to be a better person. And if you're too dumb or too...
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clueless to get that they have to go to extraordinary means to get that point across once you realize that uh the whole thing becomes a lot easier and it becomes just sort of a fun exercise in how to live with another person yeah but until you figure that out and You know, I got into that.
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you know, I was a family doctor. I saw thousands of children and school doctor for a while until realized that wasn't any good. But um I would see children even like, quote, autistic children.
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And I ended up thinking every symptom a human being has is their body's best attempt to communicate or heal.
00:18:21
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In other words, you get a splinter in your finger, you make pus. The pus is not an infection. It's the way to get the splinter out. You breathe debris in your lungs. You get a cough and mucus and feel bad.
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That's to get the debris out of your lungs. You poison somebody with all kinds of stuff. Your body, like you, put it in a bag, and that's called a tumor.
00:18:44
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right It's all just adapting to the to the situation in the best way you know how. So if you're, and I can ask you this question, you're a two day old baby, you come into the world, you know, and you're all excited and you're grateful your parents were giving you life.
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And the first thing they do is inject you with a bunch of poisons to keep you from getting a sexually transmitted disease. Right. It's called give you a great message.
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So what would you do? What would you tell your parents or what would you do?
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As a baby, I mean, what can you do, really? You internalize it. Yeah. You can scream. Sure. Make their life miserable.
00:19:33
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Right? Sure. And that might get them to say, you know what? Like, we just did this thing to our baby and he meant he or she made our life miserable.
00:19:45
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Maybe I won't do that again. But a lot of times you stop screaming after a while and then they've stopped doing it for a few months and then cut two months rolls around.
00:19:57
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And what happens? They inject you three times for ah make-believe viruses like polio and and you know DPT and all all this tetanus and all this stuff.
00:20:13
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and poison you again, and then they do it again at four months, and then they do it again at six months. So what would you do? Keep screaming.
00:20:24
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Keep screaming and act goofy and shit all over the place and make them clean it up, right? You know, and just try to make their life miserable. Yeah. Because ultimately you understand that they're nuts. Yeah.
00:20:41
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They're probably doing this to themselves, too, like flu shots and taking drugs for whatever and working in stupid jobs and paying taxes and all kinds of stupid stuff. Right. right So you got to wake them up because you love them and because you're grateful for giving you life.
00:21:00
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Now, some parents eventually get it and some don't. And if they don't, you have to up the ante. Mm So you start banging your head against the wall.
00:21:12
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And then you go out in public and you do weird shit. And people say, what's wrong with your child? You know, he's got autism or something. You take him to doctor and he thinks he has a disease.
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and And he's, by the way, he's also poisoned now. So, right, he's got problems. um But you're trying to wake your parents up and nothing is working because they're like totally clueless.
00:21:37
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And so you keep escalating it. And then sometimes it never ends. And the reason I think that's true is, again, i had patients like this.
00:21:50
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And they would come in and say, you know, can you fix his autism and blah, blah, blah. and i'd And I'd explain what I just said. This is not the problem with them. The problem is with you.
00:22:05
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And immediately the child would act differently. It's like, as soon as they heard that, and I would say it in their presence, they would say, finally, somebody is going to like help me like communicate. Cause I'm just like two, I don't know how to communicate, you know, properly. Like I can't write and speak properly yet.
00:22:27
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you So I need this guy. And I would actually tell the children, like let me let me let me explain this to them you don't have to act like this anymore i will help you out explain it to them and interestingly what i would start seeing is a child who wouldn't eat like a good diet before would start eating a good diet afterwards because now that it isn't their problem Then something seems to light up in them.
00:23:00
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I should listen to this guy because I do have a problem, right? They poisoned me and my gut is all messed up. And so, you know, that this was not a benign insult that I was given.
00:23:13
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So I do need some, you know, like physical help. And then they would eat and take whatever I wanted to give them. And lot of times they would be fine. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:25
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Yeah, this kind of ties into this huge overarching idea of not taking responsibility.
Victim Consciousness and Health Responsibility
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You want that thing to blame, right? Because if they have a disease and it's genetic and it's whatever, then the parent doesn't have to take the responsibility.
00:23:44
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know And that that cycles into yeah so many other avenues of child rearing and health and life in general. Right. As my friend Kelly Brogan says, there's only one disease and that's victim consciousness.
00:24:00
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Absolutely. so you if you, and that's, you know, if there's one thing I learned in medical school, the main thing they teach you is it's never something the patient does.
00:24:14
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Except if they smoke and then they're a dumbass and they deserve what they get. Somehow yeah and that one has got their hackles up. for It doesn't matter. Anything else is either ah genes.
00:24:31
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You got a genetic problem. You got an infection with a virus. You got stress or bad luck. Yeah, that's it. That's why you're sick.
00:24:42
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Even though truth be told, there's the whole genetic theory is just one big nonsense after another. You know, they they say you get these genes and they code for proteins. One gene codes for one proteins.
00:24:58
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Then they do this human genome project. Allegedly find 200,000 proteins and genes. Now, apparently geneticists are not good at arithmetic because otherwise they would realize that there's 180, 90,000 proteins where there's no code.
00:25:20
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Yeah. So what happened there? Like, mean, that's what I mean. They falsified that claim. Now they can't even define what a gene is. They don't know what the hell's going on.
00:25:33
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And, You know, the ribosomes where the genes are coded, the mRNAs made into proteins turn out to be made up. So there is no ribosomes, easily proven.
00:25:45
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and But they just make it up and they just keep making up more and more complex things. It's like one of my real heroes, guy named Ivan Illich, when you talk about school, said, school is the place where if you do well in school, you get the dubious privilege of being allowed to consume more school.
00:26:08
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Until you've consumed so much school that the only people left you can talk to are similar consumers of school.
00:26:19
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That's it. That's it. that's it You've got this specialized language. Nobody understands. It's like code. You know, like the economists, they have these code words. And virologists, they have these code special meaning words.
00:26:35
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And nobody knows what the hell they're talking about. And if if you haven't figured this out, you think they must be smart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:46
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Yeah, it's all like a cult, right? It's like religion. It's, you know, they're in their circles and no one else can understand what they're yeah their Latin is, right? If you don't know Latin, you can't read it. You can't understand it. And, you know, we know Latin, so we're better and smarter. And, you know, you need to listen to us, obviously. Yes.
00:27:03
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You know, something that kind of popped into my mind was... um the book, how to become a schizophrenic, you know, and it kind of ties into this idea, ah great book, but it kind ties into this idea that you were discussing about ah like the development of autism even, right. Or, or any of these illnesses, it's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy, like ah in a way, i'm I'm curious about your thoughts on that, how that ties into that, even tying in the idea of,
00:27:34
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you know, genetically testing, you know, even when the baby's not born, right? Like having these preconceived ideas of, oh, well, there's potentially going to be this and potentially going to be that. We know that genetics is nonsense. We know that these tests are totally unfalsifiable or have been falsified over and over and over again, because you get the genetic test that says you're positive for BRCA gene, and then you never develop breast cancer, we know that they're nonsense. But this whole idea kind of contributes to this self fulfilling prophecy of these diseases, disorders, however you want to classify them, you know, how does that tie into this idea of, of developing, you know, any sort of illness, mental, physical, etc.
00:28:19
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Yeah, I mean, that was a great book, ah How to Become a Schizophrenic.
Beliefs in Genetics and Self-Fulfilling Illnesses
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Joel Morrow, I think his name was. And he was that, I don't know, 30-year-old guy who could remember what happened to him.
00:28:31
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And basically, he was, you know, he was like eight or so. And he realized that if he acted goofy... he wouldn't have to go to school or something.
00:28:42
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So he acted goofy. And then they his parents or friends, teachers, whatever said, oh, you're just like Uncle Fred. And Uncle Fred was schizophrenic.
00:28:54
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And he said, you know, okay, well, I stopped acting goofy for a while. and And then he did it again because he didn't want to go to school or he didn't want to do this or it was fun. And he'd get people.
00:29:06
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Children love to get their parents all riled up, you know, get their goat. um That's part of the fun of being a child, you know, to see how hysterical you can get. Because what you're trying to do is teach your parents not to not to.
00:29:24
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to give you autonomy and not react. Like the best example, this also works with cats. you know I go out and this is I have this cat who lives outside and we worry about her.
00:29:35
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and it's really cold, and I come and deliver her hot food. As soon as I really want Lucy to eat her food, she doesn't eat. Sure. And I say to myself, please, Lucy, you've got to eat your food. You're going to get hungry and starving and cold, and you're going to be an icicle and freeze.
00:29:56
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She won't eat. Because I'm infringing on her freedom and right to choose whether she wants to eat or not. Yeah. As soon as I give that up and I bring her the best food I can and say, here, Lucy, you can eat it or not.
00:30:13
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She just eats it well like Like, what's the deal? so So that's part of the fun is to, because it's her choice and her right to choose whether to eat or not.
00:30:27
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Same with your child. Now, if you infringe on that and try to make them learn stuff or behave in certain ways or act in certain ways, they will often respond by acting goofy to get your goat.
00:30:44
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this Now, then you say, then you take them to the doctor and they doctors don't know any of this stuff. So they think you have a disease like childhood schizophrenia.
00:30:57
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And so yeah they say, Freddie, if you, if you act like that one more time, we're going to put you on drugs. Now, at a certain point, it becomes like a kind of default way of acting.
00:31:14
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And that he describes that, that he set out doing this consciously, like he would decide to act goofy. And at a certain point, it kind of took over and he lost control of.
00:31:27
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And then he would act goofy just because he always acted goofy in that setting. and And he couldn't really help it, sort of. And now he ends up on drugs and in a mental hospital and all kinds of things.
00:31:41
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and And he can't quite get himself out by not acting goofy, probably because the drugs and he's scared. And and that's what happened. You lose control of the situation.
00:31:53
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Yeah. But he could remember that whole thing. And that's what was so brilliant about that book. Most people can't remember it. He could. And he got himself out of it by saying, no, you know, I got myself into this.
00:32:09
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And yeah I'd say it's similar to most any disease, so-called disease. You know, One of the things that he really emphasized as well, and you brought it up and I'm really happy that you did, was, you know, the aunt or uncle or relative that had, you know, some sort of psychosis or schizophrenia, whatever you want to call it.
00:32:33
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This... obviously falls falls under this sort of genetic category of, you know, well, it's in the family, so we got to be careful, right? And then they obviously start treating the kid different because they don't want them to end up ah schizophrenic. So they start treating them like they could be a crazy person, which would, of course, make anybody crazy, obviously.
00:32:58
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But, um, you know this This whole idea of familial or heritable behaviors, genes, you know we call it genetic ah due to DNA.
00:33:14
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Is there any validity in your mind that it's due to something that is within our biology, within our system? Or do you believe that it's fully environmental? Like, is it how the child was raised, how they were even conceived? You know, that maybe story goes back further than that. I'm not sure. But sort of the question here, I guess, is the nature versus nurture question that's been asked for quite some time.
00:33:41
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Right. So i I try not to believe in
Separating Observation from Belief in Science
00:33:44
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anything. So when you asked, what do I believe? So what I do, what i the way I approach it is yeah to so is to say to people to separate to actually separate what they're seeing from what they're, quote, thinking or believing.
00:34:04
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So what do you see? So in that situation, you see, if if it's true, you see Uncle Harry, who's this 50-year-old guy who has his own story.
00:34:17
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He acts goofy, right? He acts weird, and he's been in a mental hospital, and he's been on drugs, et cetera. And then you see this child who they say looks a little like Uncle Harry, right?
00:34:33
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Got some sort of resemblance. um You see that he looks a little bit like him and he also acts weird. A little bit, right? That's what you see.
00:34:44
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Is that right? Yeah. Now, DeQuette, do you see any gene causing this? Absolutely not. Right. Do you see any protein causing this?
00:34:56
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Do you see any any autosomal dominant genetic inherited trait causing this? course not. No. All those things are not observable events.
00:35:10
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and for but All you see is one person in a family who looks a certain way and another who looks similar way, who acts, sip broadly speaking, a little bit similar.
00:35:24
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Now, nobody is arguing that like people don't look like their father or mother. That's an observable event.
00:35:36
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And even though it's hard to admit sometimes, ah um um I would even say people actually like behave in certain ways like their parents do.
00:35:47
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yeah I don't really like that with myself, but I know that it's true. So you see that. So those are now there's, I don't see anything with genes or heredity. I mean, with ah not heredity, sorry, that was the wrong word.
00:36:02
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I don't see any genes. I don't see any proteins. I don't see any of that stuff. So all that has to be obtained through science, right?
00:36:13
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Carefully done, you know, controlled studies that tell you that the cause of this inheritance right? The similar appearance is a gene.
00:36:27
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the That hasn't been done. In fact, just the opposite. Nobody has ever even shown that remotely to be true. So that part is a unproven hypothesis.
00:36:43
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And I would almost say it's been disproven. So you're left with the fact that we do have something called inheritance. And we don't know why that happens.
00:36:56
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Now, I would submit that the reason we don't know why that happens is the same reason why. So, you know, I've done over the years a lot of interviews and some of them come on the radio.
00:37:08
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And I remember years ago, I was driving in a car with a three-year-old little boy and an interview with me came on the radio and he looked at me and he said, Tom, how'd you get in that radio?
00:37:22
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and He said, well, I didn't because it's just like my voice. He said, look, it's in the radio. so So the problem is we have a science which has concluded that if something happens in an organism, it had to come from inside the organism, like a radio.
00:37:51
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In other words, the sound in a radio must come from the radio. So you take a radio and you start dissecting it because you're looking for the sound. And you take the dials and it's got wires and it's got screws.
00:38:07
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And I don't know what else in a radio, but bunch of things. And you could even dissect it into atoms, except atoms don't exist. But let's just say there were atoms. The smallest thing you could get, right?
00:38:21
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The trouble is you would never find the sound because the sound's coming from the radio station and radio waves, you know, and all that. And that's pretty easily demonstrated.
00:38:33
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And that's what we're doing with living things. We say that the the blueprint for the living thing, including how you look and how you act and a whole lot of other things, must be in you.
Critique of Genetic Determinism
00:38:50
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So we're going to take you and we're going to dissect it. So we get tissues, liver. We look in your liver. We don't, we look in your heart. We don't find love. You know, you say you love somebody with all your heart.
00:39:03
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Okay. Let's look. We go to the cells. Nope. Even if there were cells, no love in your cells. Then you get to the molecules and the proteins.
00:39:13
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There's no love anywhere. But we have that we are determined that it must be there. So we keep looking and we've spent at least 150 years looking for the origin of the radio.
00:39:29
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And we know that it's got to be in there somewhere. And it's not. It doesn't matter how many how much money, how many people, they got, I don't know, how many trillions of dollars in research looking through radios to find where the sound comes from.
00:39:48
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<unk>s Too funny. great And they make you pay for it. by And if you don't agree to pay for it, they throw you in a cage. Sure.
00:39:59
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That's called it government. That's awesome. Yeah, the best best institution out there. You know, it speaks to our materialistic mindset, right? And it speaks to, ah you know, ah another fundamental problem and how science is conducted and just our you know general mindset now that everything has to boil down to something physical.
00:40:20
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you know i I was having a discussion with a friend and you know he he was talking about you know the genetic drive of an animal. so like I have a herding dog, an Australian Shepherd. and you know he certainly has it in him that he knows and wants to herd. He herds his other dogs, trailers, birds.
00:40:39
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If he sees birds, he wants to herd them. He herds us. You know, it's definitely in him. And, you know, my buddy was fully convinced that it was, you know, this this genetic cause. And I thought, you know, ask him which gene it is that does it.
00:40:55
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100%. we had a great talk because it was like, it doesn't need to be a gene. It's within him. We can observe this. but And that that was my exact point was, why does it have to be a gene? It's just in him. And it's in his his essence, in a way. You could explain it...
00:41:13
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the same way using different language, we have the observation, we have the story that's told about it, right? And we try to align our stories with our observations. And, you know, I summed it up as essence in the moment, and maybe that's not the right way to go about it. But it was just to highlight the point that it doesn't need to be a physical gene, you know, we can observe this that he wants to heard, but it doesn't have to be this genetic, physical, material drive.
00:41:40
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And I think that was sort of an important point. But the the and point I'm making here is you have an observation which the dog likes to herd, right?
00:41:51
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And that's true because you can see it. Now, then he's making a claim that the cause of this wanting to herd is a gene. You don't have to tell him who his real parents are, right? All you have to say is, okay, prove that the gene causes this dog to herd.
00:42:14
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Now, he doesn't even know, first of all, how a gene is made into a protein and how a protein like that would cause a dog to herd.
00:42:27
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Like, explain how that happens. You mean if you get Alpha Gal 3? Wow, i got el I'm herding these chickens. right Like, is that what he thinks happens? If so, I would love to see the proof of that.
00:42:43
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Because I don't think he's got it. In which case, yeah he doesn't he doesn't even know that most people who make claims like that If you even asked them, well, how does a gene get translated into action?
00:42:59
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First of all, they don't know that. Where does that happen? They don't know that. It's supposedly on the ribosomes. How do you know a ribosome is real? Because every ribosome seen is a perfect circle, which means it's a sphere, which means they ground up the tissue in a blender, which means if you have an orange and you can grind it up in a blender, what are the chances that every piece is a sphere?
00:43:26
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Right. pretty good heart f It doesn't matter. That's the story I'm sticking with it. Yeah. You don't have to come up with a story of, of why dogs herd.
00:43:38
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They like to herd. don't know. It's fun. You know, that's like, fun i you know, I like to eat. They like to herd. Great point. Great point. Yeah.
00:43:52
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Yeah. Really interesting. You know, I, I think one of the the reasons why like that we associate it to disease and and whatever is because we take this observation and we try to just ah apply it to everything else.
Questioning Scientific Practice vs. Profession
00:44:07
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So we think, okay, so these seem heritable. We tell this story about it, but let's forget about the story. Like this, you know, your son looks like your uncle or whatever.
00:44:19
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we We know that there is some truth to heritability disease. a physical and maybe even a mental. And we take that and we apply it to whole disease model. Well, if dad had heart disease, son's going to have heart disease, you know, like that it's got to be inherited. At least the susceptibility needs to be inherited because, you know, that family never had heart disease. None of them ever had heart disease throughou throughout their whole, you know, last one hundred years when heart disease started, which is another point. But, you know, like,
00:44:54
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we can't necessarily just extrapolate these ah observations to everything else, right? We have to kind of remain within the observation, right? I feel like we're so far away from empiricism once again here.
00:45:08
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All I can say is if you're going to claim that that that there's a deterministic factor here, that if your father has heart disease, therefore you are, you're going to have to prove that.
00:45:21
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Because that's making a claim. And I don't think you can prove that. yeah If you can, fair enough. But there's almost nothing in conventional science that actually they can they can prove using without using logical fallacies and delusional thinking and all kinds of tricks that are nonsense.
00:45:48
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Yeah, yeah. But if they can, fair enough. you know um I'm all for if they can show something is real, then I'm i'm happy to hear it.
00:46:00
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Sure. Sure. Now, obviously, one of the factors here, and this was like the virus thing, is I convinced myself very early on in my adult life not to have a dog in this fight.
00:46:17
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In other words, if there's viruses, there's viruses. And then I'll do what I need to do to deal with it. And if there's not, there's not. Like, I don't care. Yeah. I don't care if there's genes that make me belch, you know, every 20 minutes or so.
00:46:33
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I don't do that, actually. But um if there is, there is. And then I probably can't do anything about it. But if it's because I eat too many blueberries, then I can do something about it.
00:46:44
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Exactly. Exactly. And, and I don't care which one it is. Yeah. And for some reason, you know, that's like the, I think it was Upton Sinclair said, never try to convince somebody of something who makes their living, believing the opposite.
00:47:02
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You try to tell a virologist that there's no such thing. And I mean, that's his whole worldview. sir And, you know, I often joke, not that I ever joke, but, um,
00:47:16
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you know so imagine So people say, well, why would they do that? i say, imagine, so here you are a virologist. You work for a vi a lab you know or a university. And you hear this idiot coward and he says, you should do this test and see if there's a virus.
00:47:31
Speaker
So you do it, turns out he's right. And it turns out there's no evidence for this particle. And you repeat it and you repeat it, you get the same thing over and over again. And then you go to your head of your department and you say, look, you know, I just, I just, here's what I did. And I checked it and did all the controls and rechecked. And, you know, I figured out there's no, there's no such thing.
00:47:54
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Guy looks at it and says, you know what? You're right. And you know what else? You're fired.
00:48:02
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So he goes home to his wife, says, yeah, I'm really happy proud of myself. You know I stood up and I gave this research to the head of the department and he looked at it and he was really interested.
00:48:14
Speaker
And he said, I was probably right. Oh, good. And then what happened? He fired me. and And so how we going to pay for the Mercedes?
00:48:25
Speaker
I mean, so, and we have these three children in private school, you know, what are we going to do? Well, I thought I would grow carrots. What do you mean? You don't even know how to grow like a tomato plant. how are you going to grow carrots? You don't know anything except how to be a virologist because you went to school for 28 years out of your life and all you learned how to do was to do virology experiments.
00:48:51
Speaker
You don't even know how to like darn your own socks. You can't even cook oatmeal for God's sake. but How are you going to grow carrots? You don't know anything. I'm divorcing your sorry ass.
00:49:04
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So, you know, so the guy says, you know what? I don't think I'm going to show this study to this guy. I'll just, I'll just, I'll just throw it away, you know, do something else.
00:49:15
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Yeah. Well, we've confounded, you know, true science, im trying to understand nature and explain it with the profession of science. I know Vox sums it up very well.
00:49:26
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You know, the practice of scientistry, right? The profession, you know, academia, tenure, you know, funding, all of these things add this on top of the theory ladenness that we all sort of possess, you know, it it just adds this whole...
00:49:44
Speaker
aspect to trying to understand the world that we live in makes it completely unreliable. And so, you know, you can't have a dog in the fight if you're going to try to to practice any sort of true science to try to understand things or explain things or help other people heal or become the best version of themselves.
00:50:05
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You cannot be tied to certain theories, certain whatever, right? And that's that's what Kuhn talked about with the theory ladenness. And I think that's a really important thing, you know, and and we've separated philosophy and science. That's a whole other topic of discussion. But, ah you know, i I like listening to my least favorite scientists like Neil deGrasse Tyson and all these guys, right?
00:50:29
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They talk about we don't need philosophy and we don't need to learn about you know, the scientific method, we just need to do science in the lab. And we don't need to think about it, we just need to observation, you know, results, discussion, and write that big discussion and cite other people's discussions, and not the results or the methods or anything like that. But it's just this whole cycle that's perpetuated into this crazy story that we we tell ourselves you know you have cell biology you know circulatory system our nervous system especially the anatomy you know the germ theory virology all of this is just crazy there's no logic to it there's no common sense and so that's why we appreciate you so much well you know ah the other thing that people don't appreciate it
00:51:19
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is, I mean, we live in a profoundly, as you're saying, profoundly scientifically illiterate culture. And the biggest offenders are the scientists and the doctors.
00:51:32
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And now some other people, right? But, you know, ah so, and I mean, I'm trained as a medical doctor, right? And I worked as an ah ER r doctor. So i I know the rap, right? I'm not unfamiliar with the, how it works. And, know,
00:51:48
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Nobody taught me or nobody told me when you come to a science paper to read the method section. But that's the only section that's of any relevance. yeah they can say what They can say the title the paper, Isolation of Herpes Simplex 2 Virus, and they'll tell you in the discussion about how they isolated it and it was isolated here.
00:52:14
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That's irrelevant. Because all you have to do is go, what did they do? Well, they took us some snot and they put it on a cell culture. The cells died. That's called isolation. And you think, fuck, you know, like, and and I never once read any of that stuff in medical school, right?
00:52:35
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And you you think that these doctors are at least literate with with science and how to read so-called scientific paper, and they're not.
00:52:46
Speaker
No, they have no clue. They don't even they're like, take you know, you you can't your car won't stop. You say you go take it into a mechanic. You say, you know, I'm worried because, you know, won't go to red light. Was car won't stop.
00:53:02
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I wonder if it's my brakes. And he says, what are brakes? And you think, I don't I don't think I'm going to like I'm going to go to a different mechanic because this guy is like an idiot.
00:53:14
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he doesn't even know He doesn't even know the field. He doesn't know the basics of like that the the the system you're working with.
00:53:27
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Yeah. Yeah. And that's what it's like.
Challenging Virology Concepts
00:53:31
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i mean it's and I know people listening will say to themselves, all right.
00:53:38
Speaker
Well, this guy makes a certain amount of sense, but there's no way he's right. Because like my neighbor, he's a scientist. And my other, my uncle, he's a doctor. And they're like really smart people.
00:53:51
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They can't possibly be so unaware and delusional and bamboozled as he thinks. So Colin, he must be missing something.
00:54:03
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Fine. Go and ask them. How do you, how does a virologist prove there's a virus and show it caused disease? Yeah. It's the foundation of their life.
00:54:14
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Practically their life's work. It's like a break to a mechanic and they don't know. Now they'll bamboozle you with some stuff, but if you know even a little bit about it, but,
00:54:31
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but I would try it. Yeah. I think another good avenue too is ask them how they prove the immune system true because there's not even any experiments they can do, right? That's purely based on their theories as well, right? Like ah it's, there is no papers on the immune system. It's all just this underlying story that's told to kind of make everything fit, make everything work.
00:54:58
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They had this whole theory of antibodies, which have never been actually isolated from a person and that they're shaped like a y But obviously, it's hard to get a picture of something that you can't find.
00:55:10
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yeah So they draw models, you know, and they'll show you like cartoons. um But finally, they had something they thought was an antibody. And they did an x-ray crystallography.
00:55:23
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And it looked like a T. Now the whole theory was that the antibody has these two arms and shaped like a Y and one arm grabs the thing and the other arm grabs the other thing.
00:55:35
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And that's how it works. And then they finally get a picture, which actually isn't even a picture of the real thing, but, and it's not that. And do they say, well, turns out that's not how it works.
00:55:50
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They just say, no, nevermind. It's like, i you know, they show you that ah it's like the monkeypox virus. So they said, we identified a monkeypox virus because it's it's rectangular on an electron microscope.
00:56:07
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And that's that was different than all the other viruses. So we know it's a distinct virus. And now they show you a picture of monkeypox virus and it's just a regular old circle like all their other viruses.
00:56:20
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so And nobody says to them, wait a minute, you told me 20 years, 30 years ago that you knew this was a specific thing because it was shaped like a rectangle.
00:56:33
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And you show me this thing that's shaped like a circle and you say it's the same thing. how How is that possible? Like, I thought the whole thing was based on the fact that it's a rectangle.
00:56:47
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Yeah, but it mutated.
00:56:52
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Another good one. So now it's now it became it because it needed to evade your immune system. And we were catching on to the rectangle thing. So so now, it you know, it now it had to change into a circle thing.
00:57:07
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I mean. yeah You can't make this stuff up, but at the same time, it's all made up. So it's.
00:57:17
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Yeah, well. On that note, Dr.
Conclusion and Final Thoughts
00:57:20
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Cowan, I think it might be a good time to kind of wrap things up. Is there anything that you want to kind of leave the listener with? Anything that you want to add to this discussion before we wrap things up? or um i mean, it's I'm good.
00:57:32
Speaker
All right. Well, maybe you can tell the listener how they can find you, learn more from you, how they can support you as well. Yeah. So we have a drtomcowan.com website. That's the main one.
00:57:44
Speaker
We also actually started, this is ah probably a big thing. We started an online clinic called the New Biology Clinic where all the doctors and practitioners approach people based on this kind of thinking.
00:58:01
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and And that's there is nothing like this otherwise. you know Basically, when you go to a doctor, they treat you based on theories, most of which are disproven.
00:58:16
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Like you have a virus, so you do this. Or you have an autoimmune disease, which doesn't exist. And so therefore you do this to damp down your antibodies.
00:58:27
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So they're treating you based on theories. And because of that, you cannot get better truly.
00:58:38
Speaker
Because the theories are wrong. And so how can you possibly, you know, it's like, you know, one of the ways I describe it is people say, well, what do you mean by I say, well, I know that the reason why like houses blow up like in the Ukraine is exploding unicorns, you know, and so they got, and they're invisible.
00:59:00
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That's why you can't see them. And I know it's true because I spread unicorn and ah repellent around my house. And it's not been blown up. That's, that's the level of modern medical thinking that's going on here.
00:59:18
Speaker
And that's the proof that it was unicorns because every house I know we spread unicorn repellent and not a single house has been blown up. So that's what they're doing when they treat, they suppress your immune system.
00:59:33
Speaker
They're spreading, spreading unicorn repellent on So, We don't like that approach. um There's reasons why people get sick and we try to deal with this. so That's the new biology clinic.
00:59:46
Speaker
And then I wrote some books and I have a new one called common sense child rearing, which I think is easy to read and hopefully help parents figure out how to deal with children.
01:00:01
Speaker
Good. Good. Yeah. Amazing. Well, If you, the listener, get over to that Instagram page, Beyond Terrain, right now, we're going to give that book away in honor of having Dr. Cowan on the the the podcast today. So that's the least we can do. um Yeah, that's great.
01:00:20
Speaker
Dr. Cowan, thank you so much for for absolutely everything today. and And that new biology clinic, I think, is the way. And it's you know I was looking into it. It's extremely reasonable compared to what people typically sort of invest in this industrial, medical, pharmaceutical industry we have going on. so Thank you for for that and and everything that you do as well.
01:00:41
Speaker
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