In this episode, we’re joined by molecular biologist Dr. Jerneja Tomsic for a thorough, start-to-finish dismantling of PCR, the method that underpins much of modern diagnostic virology.

We begin with foundational principles—Koch’s postulates, isolation vs. purification, and the philosophical failures of modern science. Dr. Tomsic walks us through the basics of PCR, exposing its misuse in clinical settings and the flawed assumptions baked into its application.

From there, we challenge the idea of asymptomatic carriers, the nonsense of virology, and the sleight of hand involved in viral sequencing, primer creation, and metagenomics.

This is not just a technical critique—it’s a deeper reflection on scientific corruption, narrative manipulation, and the role of fear as the real virus.

If you’ve ever questioned the foundations of modern "infectious disease" science, this episode is essential listening.

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Dr. Jerneja Tomsic on Dismantling PCR, Scientific Corruption, and the Illusion of Virology

In this episode, we’re joined by movement specialist Lisa Rose for a deep and holistic conversation on how to reconnect with the body’s natural design. We begin with the fundamentals of movement, exploring how modern patterns have diverged from our innate blueprint.

Lisa emphasizes the importance of the foot and ankle as the foundation of healthy biomechanics, and we explore topics like foot placement, loading and releasing, and natural gait—all essential elements of restoring functional, pain-free movement.

We discuss the illusion of comfort and how it can create long-term dysfunction, as well as the consequences of problematic training practices. Lisa dives into the power of nasal breathing, the interconnectedness of trauma and fascia, and the often-overlooked role of internal asymmetry in how we move and feel.

This episode also features a personal reflection from Liev’s own running journey and closes with a powerful message about restoring natural design—not just as a physical pursuit, but a return to wholeness.

It’s a must-listen for anyone interested in movement, healing, and reclaiming their body’s innate intelligence.

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Lisa Rose on Natural Movement, Posture, Fascia, and Restoring the Body’s Design

In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Tom Cowan for a wide-ranging and provocative conversation that challenges many foundational beliefs in modern science and medicine. Through out the episode, Dr. Cowan cleverly gives many examples on the flaws in genetic theory, quantum physics, virology, cell biology, etc. We begin with the simple question: What is health?, and get the most unique answer yet! From there, dive deep into the flaws and limitations of scientific methodology as it's practiced today.

Dr. Cowan exposes the rise of make-believe science, where theories are built without grounding in observable reality. We explore whether we can truly know the truth, and weather it is worth thinking about.

We also explore deeply human questions—What do we tell our kids? How do we raise them in a world built on unstable paradigms? Dr. Cowan emphasizes responsibility in health and life, the power of self-fulfilling prophecies, and how the narratives we operate in affect us.

The conversation takes on big themes like heritable illness, the ongoing nature vs. nurture debate, and the importance of detaching from outcomes when seeking truth. We wrap up by revisiting major problems in science and diving into the misunderstood concepts of the immune system and antibodies.

This episode is both philosophical and practical—an invitation to question, explore, and take ownership of your understanding of health. Don’t miss it.

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Dr. Tom Cowan on Genetics, Heredity, Education, and Scientific Nonsense

In this powerful episode, we’re joined by Dr. Barre Lando to explore a radically different view of health, biology, and the body’s innate intelligence. We begin with the question: is the body better understood through biochemistry or waveforms? Dr. Lando offers a paradigm-shifting take rooted in vibrational and energetic principles.

We challenge the mainstream idea of genetic determinism, unpacking why genes are not destiny and how environment, energy, and consciousness play a far greater role in health. From there, we dive into the flaws of modern scientific methods, exposing how reductionist thinking can distort our understanding of the body.

Dr. Lando shares his own path to discovering the deeper layers of the health field, eventually leading him to embrace terrain-based principles. We explore pleomorphism, comparing ideas of linear evolution to concepts of biological expansion and transformation.

The conversation continues with powerful insights on parasites, antibiotics, and the terrain-based understanding of viruses—all building toward a greater understanding of the body’s self-regulating systems. We conclude with a look at microzymas, the foundational units of life that challenge germ theory and offer a new model for health.

This episode is packed with wisdom, depth, and a call to rethink everything we’ve been taught about biology. Tune in for a transformative conversation with Dr. Barre Lando!

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Dr. Barre Lando on Genetic Determinism, Pleomorphism, Parasites, Viruses and More!

In this episode, we’re joined by Kyla Marie for a fascinating discussion on helminth therapy and the misunderstood role of parasites in human health. We begin by defining helminth therapy and its place within the natural order, exploring how these organisms have co-evolved with us over time.

Kyla explains how helminths interact with the microbiome and why they function differently from other microbes. We also dive into the hygiene hypothesis and biota alteration theory, questioning whether modern sterilization practices have negatively impacted our health.

The conversation expands into helminth exposure from birth, pets, and dewormers, raising important questions about our historical relationship with these organisms. We also discuss parasitic rashes, immune reactions, and autoimmune diseases, shedding light on how helminths may play a protective role against chronic illness.

Kyla breaks down how helminthic therapy works, its preventative potential, and how to increase helminths in our environments. We also cover key considerations, common misconceptions, and what clinical trials reveal about the safety and efficacy of this unconventional therapy.

This episode challenges mainstream views on parasites and offers a fresh perspective on health, immunity, and the microbiome. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation with Kyla Marie!

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How a Parasite (Helminths) Can Heal Irritable Bowel Disease and More with Kyla Marie

In this episode, we welcome Robin Stebbins for a deep dive into genetic testing, mental health, trauma, and the hidden forces shaping medicine and science. We start by exploring genetic tests and diagnoses as spells, questioning how labels and medical narratives influence perception and reality.

Robin shares insights from her experience working in home health, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the healthcare system. We then discuss locked psychiatric hospitals and severe mental illnesses, raising important questions about treatment, autonomy, and the true nature of mental health struggles.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as we examine MK Ultra, the CIA, and brain implants, uncovering historical experiments that challenge mainstream narratives. Robin also sheds light on the deep link between trauma and disease, reinforcing the importance of healing at the root level.

We then contrast faith in higher wisdom vs. faith in science, exploring the shifting role of belief in today’s world. Robin speaks on the power of silence, the benefits of stepping away from noise and distraction, and how it can lead to profound clarity.

We wrap up with a discussion on vitamins, supplements, medicines, tinctures, and the role of natural healing, before closing with the ultimate key to wellness—attuning to nature and reconnecting with its rhythms for optimal health.

This is an episode packed with paradigm-shifting ideas and deep reflections. Tune in for an eye-opening conversation with Robin Stebbins!

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Robbins Stebbins on Medical Tests, Genetics, Trauma and Disease, Faith, Real Medicine and More!

In this episode, we’re joined by Mike Winner for a powerful discussion on freedom, community, and questioning modern paradigms. We start with the fundamental question: How can we truly be free?—exploring the mindset and practical steps needed to cultivate personal sovereignty.

From there, we dive into the importance of nature and community, emphasizing how reconnecting with both can lead to a more meaningful and fulfilling life. Mike shares his perspective on finding purpose by doing what you love and the key to achieving balance in an increasingly chaotic world.

We then shift gears into decentralization, discussing its role in shaping the future of governance, technology, and personal autonomy. Mike also breaks down the idea of understanding thy terrain, exploring holistic perspectives on health and wellness.

Challenging mainstream narratives, we examine assumptions in modern science, questioning dominant models and the ways in which they shape our understanding of reality. Finally, we discuss AI, its potential impacts, and how to navigate the rapidly evolving technological landscape.

This episode is packed with thought-provoking insights and actionable ideas. Don’t miss it!

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Mike Winner on Freedom, Knowing Oneself, Balance, Decentralization, AI and More!

In this episode, we sit down with movement expert Missy Bunch to explore the deep connection between neurology, movement, and overall health. We begin by rethinking movement, challenging traditional fitness perspectives and highlighting a more integrative approach to physical well-being.

Missy explains how neurology and movement are deeply connected, shedding light on how the brain influences movement patterns and vice versa. This leads us into a discussion on pain—what it really is, why it happens, and how we can rethink our approach to managing it.

We also explore the relationship between trauma and movement, diving into how unresolved trauma can manifest in the body and how movement can play a role in healing. Missy then shares insights on training the neural system, including the impact of eye movement on performance, balance, and recovery.

To wrap up, we discuss the subtle but powerful connections in health, revealing how small changes in movement, awareness, and mindset can create profound shifts in well-being.

This episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone looking to optimize their movement, understand pain, or explore the brain-body connection. Tune in!

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Missy Bunch on Eye Movements, Pain, Trauma, Neural Training and More!

In this episode, we sit down with Wes Rowe for a fascinating conversation about health, nutrition, and challenging conventional wisdom. We start with Wes’s sons free birth story. From there, we dive into listeria, food poisoning, and the practice of cooking food, questioning mainstream narratives about food safety. Wes shares his insights on feeding babies raw meat, exploring the potential benefits and historical perspectives on ancestral nutrition.

We also discuss dogma in health and the value of self-experimentation, emphasizing the importance of questioning rigid dietary beliefs. The conversation then shifts to some commonly debated substances such as coffee, salt, and oysters.

This episode is packed with unconventional ideas, personal experiences, and insights into nutrition and health. Tune in for an engaging and thought-provoking discussion!

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Wes Rowe on Raising Primal Babies, Birth Story, Food Poisoning, Dogma, Salt, Oysters, and More!

In this episode, we sit down with Dawn Lester to explore the true nature of health and what really makes us ill. We begin by discussing what health truly is, challenging mainstream definitions and looking at the deeper factors that contribute to well-being.

Dawn shares insights from her personal journey, detailing how her research led her to question conventional medical narratives. This naturally leads into a discussion about her work, What Really Makes You Ill?, where she breaks down misconceptions about disease and explores alternative perspectives on illness.

We take a deep dive into the terrain perspective, shifting the focus from external pathogens to the internal environment of the body. Dawn also offers profound insights into the role of psychology in health, discussing how mindset, beliefs, and emotions influence physical well-being.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in a deeper understanding of health, terrain theory, and the factors that truly impact our well-being. Tune in!

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Dawn Lester on the Psychology of COVID, Contagion, The Terrain Paradigm and More!

Beyond Terrain Podcast is about reclaiming health, wisdom, science and personal sovereignty by moving beyond the broken modern systems of medicine, science, education, government, and religion.

Through the terrain perspective, we explore holistic health, ancestral wisdom, alchemy, philosophy, and true science—empowering you to take full responsibility for your well-being. This is about solutions over fear, abundance over scarcity, and self-reliance over dependence.

By breaking free from dogmatic institutions, we unlock a new (or rather, ancient) way of thinking about prosperity, relationships, and living well. This is the shift toward true health, real knowledge, and personal power.

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