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The Snobbery of Being a Music Snob | History Defeats Itself Comedy Podcast
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Have you or someone you know been affected by music snobbery? Have you fallen victim to ridicule from elitists who think their supposed deeper understanding of music makes you look inferior? You've come to the right place. Because Greg is talking about being a music snob. Kevin is on the same page. John thinks they're just dicks.
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Introduction & Podcast Dynamics
00:00:00
Speaker
You guys are so funny because there it's like one episode you guys like have this bromance going and then the next one you guys want to kill each other. It really is the same episode because I was talking so much shit to John and he was to me too. And then we talked about my dad dying and how John was there and I really love him so much like it was the same episode. And I was like when I was listening today, it was just I was just beaming the whole time.
00:00:27
Speaker
Well, the thing we didn't talk about an episode was that I killed your father. So that was in a way. Thank you too far. Well, I mean, I think you got to give me credit. What a mastermind I am. He was ready to look like it was natural causes.
00:00:50
Speaker
History Defeats Itself is a comedy podcast. Kevin, John and Greg are not experts, historians, or even all that smart.
00:01:03
Speaker
Hello and welcome to history defeats itself. My name is Kevin Rosenquist. Thank you very much for being here. We are a comedy podcast that wonders why do we as humans never learn from our history? My name is Kevin Rosenquist. I think I already said that, but I am also joined by my two co-hosts, John Banks and Greg Mitchell. How are you guys?
00:01:24
Speaker
I'm doing really well, Kevin Rosenquist. I'm concerned. Like you. I really want to say my name, apparently. Why? John's concerned. Let's let him talk. Well, I mean, because we don't. I mean, what happens if the polar caps flip? I thought starting with my response and then you jump in and you just take it away.
00:01:42
Speaker
Well, it didn't really make sense like if you had something like you know I was in the middle of a sentence Oh you I'm sorry. You just said you were fine, and that's all I heard I was still talking. Oh, please go on no It's okay now my feelings. We want to know I'll just wait. I'll just wait my turn everyone wants to know how you're doing
00:01:59
Speaker
Fuck you. Hope that he's a little. He's a little anxious because he's making pizza with the family tonight in his Uno oven. What is it? Ooni. Ooni. Yeah, I don't know what that is. What is it? I don't know what that is either. Go to something. It's a pizza oven. Ooni dot com. Oh, oh, oh, wait. Oh, oh. And I. That's how I always spelled it. Mm hmm. Two O's and an N and an I. Sounds French. I think that was the last time you played Uno.
00:02:25
Speaker
Never. I fucking hate that game. It's been four years, five years, maybe six years. My nephews were a little bit smaller. John reaches behind him and starts hiding. I play competitively, but I'm in the league. Are we at the part of the show yet where John goes, and how are you doing, Kevin? I'm great. Thanks, Greg. And how are you doing, Kevin? I'm great. Thanks, John. Yeah, you're welcome.
00:02:52
Speaker
No, things are good. Things are good. Are you guys, are you guys, what's, what's, what's, what's weather like in LA? Are you, uh, I know that there were some big storms. It's been cold.
Exploring Music Snobbery
00:03:00
Speaker
Like it's been like in the high fifties. Get a chill out there. That's, I mean, shit, but you're not used to that. That's cold. It is. It is. There was, there was a dude yesterday today. Yeah. It's been, we've had a couple of pretty days. Wasn't there some sort of like massive storm?
00:03:15
Speaker
like supposed to hit L.A. or California. It did. That was that was like four days ago, five days. It happened. Yeah. So it wasn't as bad as they thought then because there was terrible. It was like there was flooding and people died. It wasn't just flooding. It was flash flooding. Yeah. Which is like a flash mob, but way more dangerous. So that all just happened. People died and shit. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember hearing that, but I'm sure John's right. He beats that damn. I look at the news every day. I didn't hear that. Yeah. I think it was like seven or eight million people died.
00:03:45
Speaker
So you know what, though, I do I do make sure that California is not something I follow in my newsfeed. Yeah, it's because I don't care. I just don't care. You guys, it's going to break off into the ocean eventually anyway. Who gives a shit? So we have like most of it. We have a lot of sunny days, but we have a lot of haze from all the cars. Right. All the people driving. So it rains that like the two or three days after a really good rain after it, man, it's like the bluest sky. It's such nice weather. And then it gets hazy again.
00:04:13
Speaker
Mm. So would you agree with that statement, Mr. Mitchell? I don't want to talk about Hayes with you. I think you're wrong. OK. It's not just it's not from cars. It's just the fucking natural weather we get, man. We get natural haze. Ever since the cattle. It's not smog. I didn't say smog. Ever since the cat. Ever since the cat. Ever since. Hey, I got to quit. Ever since the cat. Ever since the cat. Ever since the cat.
00:04:42
Speaker
I was going to say catalytic converter. Hey, we don't get the same pollution. Yeah, but we still get pollution. I fucking hate you, John. Well, I mean, though, you guys will wake up. Listen, it is not my fault. You're stupid and you say stupid things. That's not what my episode tonight is about. Fuck you, John. Colorado is crazy. We had almost 70 degrees two days ago, which is pretty crazy for February for us. And it snowed today.
00:05:09
Speaker
That's just Colorado for you. It's so, it's going to be tonight. What's your logo going to be? Probably in the teens. I would guess teens or twenties. There we go. I think we found our new niche in podcasting weather. It makes everybody happy. Hey Kevin, remember when I came out to visit you with Ray and Jen and it snowed? No, I don't remember. It's snowing. I do remember you coming and visiting. Good. Awesome. Good. I'm glad you guys got to see snow.
00:05:35
Speaker
Do you remember when I came out to visit you with Ray and Jan and Ray kept asking, where's Papa? Are you my new daddy now? Like, there's a lot of things said. It was really awkward. Okay. Hello, and welcome to this room. It means itself. All right. Let's start over. Welcome. All right. It is Greg's turn to lead tonight and undoubtedly he's changed his topic to how much he hates John and I. So kick it off, Greg.
00:06:03
Speaker
Well, with that kind of introduction, let's go. Let's go, people. Everyone turn those frowns upside down and put a smile on your face because I'm here with my two best friends, Kevin and jumping.
00:06:15
Speaker
I don't feel like you're serious about that. I think your two best friends are John Banks and John Banks. It's kind of true. Okay. This week's episode is sure to annoy my pasty-faced and heavily bearded co-hosts. Wait, wait. Which is which? I don't have a beard. I'm definitely pasty-faced.
00:06:34
Speaker
That's why I do low light. It makes me. What do you want? It's February. That's a good point. Hey, what am I always accused of on this podcast besides plagiarism and phony it in being being a whiny little bitch? That's one of them. We're learning about the temperature. Yeah, that's true. That happens a lot too. Yes. Yes. Yes. But more so about the topics I research. Oh, they're all about you. Okay. They're all about me. That's right.
00:07:00
Speaker
I picked up topics that I relate to. How fucking dare I? I don't even know why I'm the one that catches shit for this. Why Kevin clearly is a road rager and John lives in a roundabout.
00:07:14
Speaker
Well, part of my rage is having to go through that roundabout him just shaking his fist at me all the time. Yeah. Um, my next one was, Hey Kevin, does John roundabout give you road rage? Sorry for ruining that for you. No, no, I think it was perfect. Yeah. I think you even shook your fist.
00:07:34
Speaker
I did. He's kind of an actor. Good job, Daniel Davis. Okay. I have another actor too. You've seen Lincoln. You've seen my left foot. Now it's Kevin Shake's hand. For the rest of this episode, we have to refer to Kevin as Mr. President.
00:07:53
Speaker
Okay, let's get on with it today. We're gonna discuss a topic that is personal to me and we'll follow my evolution and see if the subject matter has been defeated like a 12 piece bucket of chicken on Kevin's desk. Can I ask you a real quick question? Please, please. How are you going to tie this into how are you gonna tie your receding hairline into history defeating itself? Because I assume that's what the topic is about. Isn't that rather obvious? Yeah.
00:08:21
Speaker
OK, guys, we're just going in there. OK. Touche, sir. Touche. That's the end of this episode. It's about music snobs or snobbery of being a music snob. Music snobs. I don't like this episode already.
00:08:41
Speaker
All right. Well, thank you. I know a lot of music shops. I know two of them. I know. You're definitely staring at one. Yeah. Greg is too. I've gotten better. I've got. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's great. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, Greg. No, that's fine. Go ahead. Well, I'm just going to say, I think, I think like if it is a really bad song, Greg's like, Oh man, this is the best. It's just a lot of words and really shitty music. And it's, that's what Greg really, really likes.
00:09:08
Speaker
Example and if it's uh, he can't give you one because he's like yeah, I can't anything anything by Wilco. Oh, yeah That's not true. Not anything by Wilco. Okay, almost all of Wilco That's true God damn it I just got defeated man And if it becomes like anything mainstream Greg's like no that guy sucks Wilco's pretty mainstream I mean, they're huge
00:09:38
Speaker
They're not Beyonce. No, but I mean, like as far as adult rock, old guy rockos, you know, I mean, Wilco in the national and they're huge. Yeah. I guess they're not like, you know, arena tour kind of huge, but they're still pretty big.
00:09:59
Speaker
What is
Cultural Shifts in Music Appreciation
00:10:00
Speaker
that? What is the red rocks? I did not choose this topic so I could be targeted like this. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm actually sharing this with you because I feel like I have I have gone through a personal evolution. So have I. Hey, so my music snobbery has diminished. So has mine. Except I still hate fucking Dave Matthews. So do I. You were going to say that because what would you say?
00:10:31
Speaker
Well done. That's a good point. I hate, I hate anymore because I'm trying to be better. But one thing about Colorado is people love the fucking jam bands out here. And I just that shit, just the dead and fish and string cheese incident and all these. Yeah. Oh, there's so I just cannot stand it. And that's hard for me because I have gotten better about my music snobbery as well.
00:10:59
Speaker
that particular genre stuffer for me. And I'm also not crazy about the rise of country that's been happening lately either. Speaking of Beyonce. So as as a person who's not a music snob, I just want to say that I think there's like all types of genres of music and then there's dog shit, which is what you're talking about, Kevin. Like that's just like dog shit.
00:11:17
Speaker
We went like Courtney and I, we have a friend who was like really into some grateful dead cover band guy and went to the Greek, which is a cool fucking venue. And it's like outdoors and we're like watching and we were on mushrooms. So how is it you can't like something when you're on mushrooms? So like halfway through, we just left because we were like, this is boring as shit. I'll bet. And that's a funny thing that you brought up too, is that, I mean, I know there's so many people out here who have their favorite dead cover band.
00:11:43
Speaker
Yeah, I have never met anybody who has a favorite cover band before I moved out here. It's like, oh, that's a cover band. This is cool. We're in a suburban bar. So it makes sense. Yes, ridiculous. Well, yeah, you you actually you make me rethink my topic.
00:12:03
Speaker
I actually made you rethink the direction of your topic. This is going to be a fish bitch session. Let me start by saying that I am guilty of being a music snob. I've been condescending, pretentious.
00:12:22
Speaker
unfunny. I've been an asshole about music. And I have often thought that my tastes are better than yours. And if we both like the same genre, I'll go deeper into the cuts and flex my superior appreciation.
00:12:40
Speaker
So without getting too specific, I can draw a line in my musical influences that I just kind of really identify with and love. It starts with the clash. Then I went to like Dinosaur Jr., then the replacements, then Pavement, and Nirvana, and the Bright Eyes. And maybe I was too specific, even though I just said I wasn't gonna be specific, but I was specific. But I feel like Nirvana was, I mean, Nirvana was really, really mainstream. Not at the outset, though. Oh, I'm sorry. You got into him in the bleach days?
00:13:11
Speaker
I mean, see, this is what this episode is going to turn into. This is what's going to happen. It's just going to be like assholes being assholes. You're like talking about how you're not a snob anymore. You're like, I've grown and then you're like, I was into before everybody else was into them. I didn't say that. Well, I mean, Nirvana, Nirvana, Nirvana, Nirvana changed rock music. So, I mean, it's hard to like, it's hard to like say that they're not globally, globally, Nirvana. I'm not just talking about, look,
00:13:38
Speaker
I am talking more specifically about music that I have identified with. It doesn't necessarily have to be indie or alternative music. It's just music that resonated the most with me. So it has nothing to do with the fact that it potentially resonated with the whole fucking world. Right.
00:13:57
Speaker
And also, if you remember, they had that song that said he's the one that likes all our pretty songs and likes to sing along, but he don't know what it means. So, you know, they knew a great chunk of their fan base. Do you know what that song's about? Before they became, it's about the yellow submarine, Kevin, and you get an eye. It's about rednecks.
00:14:19
Speaker
Oh, yes, I'm serious. It's about rednecks just sitting on their porch, shooting guns and singing songs. It has nothing to do with all the people saying that they pretending that they know what Nirvana means. Sorry. Why are you sorry? It's consistent. No, I'm just saying like it's not about it's not about like people not understanding the lyrics up to their songs.
00:14:45
Speaker
Okay. Well, I did not know that then. I didn't know it was about, even though it was specifically stated that they liked lyrics to their song and they liked to sing along.
00:14:54
Speaker
It wasn't what it was about. That's what Kurt Cobain said. It was maybe who knows. It was about like eating tuna on a porch and shooting BB guns. Do you wait? Do you think do you think Redness eat tuna? Yeah, I do. Well, it's about as much sense as Kevin. The rest of Kevin's. That's just what Kurt Cobain said. Listen, I was OK. So it's probably going to be some sort of Vienna sausage. And you play guitar.
00:15:21
Speaker
Oh, I think I cut out there. Um, I'm having internet problems. Um, no, the Kurt Cobain is the reason I picked up a guitar. I was pretty, I was pretty enamored with, with the young man. So, uh, I know a lot about him.
00:15:34
Speaker
Oh, it was Pink Floyd. That's why I picked up a guitar. Oh, OK. I had to move it. It was in the way of my of your record player. Yeah. And I was like, who's guitar? I want to play some Pink Floyd. I know I was when I was in college. My one of my roommates, he actually wasn't even a roommate. He just lived next door to us, but he was always around. But he he decided to pick up guitar and he was learning. Wish you were here by Pink Floyd. Yeah.
00:15:59
Speaker
So I got to hear him workshop that one for months. So you wish he wasn't there? I wished he wasn't there and I also have a hard time listening to Pink Floyd because of it. I have a hard time listening to Pink Floyd for...
00:16:12
Speaker
I'm not, I've never been a big Floyd then that's not, it's not my jam. And it's funny because I'm a big time radio head fan. And I know that a lot of people are like, oh, radio heads, like the pink Floyd of this generation. And I'm just always like, yeah, I think it's really different. Yeah. I don't know. Just for me, they get a lot of comparisons. I agree. It's, it's weird. It's a weird comparison to me. Yeah.
00:16:34
Speaker
I think it's weird that we make comparisons. That's true. Actually, it is really true. People just stand alone. Well, you can sound. I mean, you can you can hear some tones and some like ethereal sounds that are pretty consistent between those two bands. I can hear it. I think that they're complete. I think their lyrics are totally different.
00:16:53
Speaker
Yeah, very much. I think I think the sound, the sonic sound of their music is can be similar. Yeah. OK, I have a question for you guys on topic. If have you ever heard someone say they hated a band that just blew your mind because you're like, I've never heard anybody say they didn't like that band. That's crazy to me. Yeah. Like what I used to work with someone who hated Radiohead. And I was like, like, it's OK if you're not like a big fan, but I just never heard anyone say they hated them, you know.
00:17:21
Speaker
But I could see, I could see hating her. Like, you know, if you like, if you like country, right? Or you like, if you, if you, if you. But she was like an indie rock person. Who was? The person who said that they hated Radiohead. I'm sorry. I thought you were saying. Maybe there's attention seeking. That could be. Yeah. I mean, people do love to just take weird stances so they get to be special.
00:17:42
Speaker
And it's almost like you get so dug in that you have to stick with it. You know, like I had another coworker who hated the Beatles, like with a burning passion, hated the Beatles. And I was always like it was like when she would talk about it, it was always like she didn't really know anymore. It's just like, I can't go back now. It's been too many years. I can't. I can't go back on that. Right. I'm that way with Seinfeld.
00:18:06
Speaker
You are kind of like that was signed out. You're right. You're right. And here's the thing. We've talked about that. Like on on like a YouTube or, you know, whatever, like whatever fucking app, you know, like you're watching. There's like a clip. And it's funny. Like I watch a clip. I'm like funny. You know, like. And I like. Yeah. Can't as a comedy as a comedy writer, I'm like, I would think that you would appreciate the.
00:18:26
Speaker
Like, like it's so sharp. It's so sharply written. John's a comedy writer. Well, I mean, he's written comedy. Yeah, he has. Yeah. Dude, have you not watched The Big Bang Theory? I wrote every episode. I thought he didn't try to stand up for a while. Like I don't know. He's written comedy. I didn't. I did. I wrote anything. I haven't said things. Anyway, you're a snob. Please go on. Didn't you try to be a comedian to Greg?
00:18:54
Speaker
I had a couple couple of sets, as it were. Sure. I did. How'd they go? I enjoyed it a lot. I just, you know, I stopped doing it. It's hard. I've never done it. It just takes a lot of work. Like anything else, it takes a shit ton of work. But just the vulnerability of being up there and that's Mario. I mean, I can be I've been on stage playing other music, but that this is that seems different. It didn't bother you, huh? Not at all. Yeah. That'd be tough. There definitely is.
00:19:22
Speaker
no greater high I've ever had than when you are killing it in front of like a big crowd. And there's no fucking worst when you're bombing in front of nine people. So so was it was were you so high that you thought people were enjoying it?
00:19:42
Speaker
Yeah, when I say it in comedy what I mean was I smoked opium And I had a whole thing and the people at the den thought I was hilarious But we mostly just shit ourselves So is that what happens? I would I mean I would imagine if you're an opium
Adolescence and Music's Emotional Impact
00:20:00
Speaker
den there's gonna be some relaxation of the spinkster spinks spink I can't sing stir stink stir. Thank you
00:20:07
Speaker
Okay, so let me, I guess, get through the second paragraph. Isn't this every episode? Yes. Yeah, it is. Somebody mentioned those bands and you guys kind of, whatever, said a bunch of things that will go. Yeah. Okay. Real quick before you continue, Greg. No, no, no. But I asked you guys a question about if you ever heard anybody, you never answered the question. Have you ever heard somebody like... Oh, yeah. Five minutes ago, John said he hated Woko.
00:20:32
Speaker
Yeah, I hate Wilco too. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't think that's that's a thing. I mean, I'm from Chicago. Yeah. That's fine. I don't even care. Led Zeppelin. I've heard somebody say they just absolutely hate Led Zeppelin, which I feel like I feel like the same way you kind of talk about this person on Radiohead, you know, it's like, OK, I get that, like.
00:20:49
Speaker
You know, it's OK. You don't like Dave Matthews. I get that. A lot of people hate Dave Matthews. Right. Yeah. I feel like that. I mean, but I mean, you know, it's like I wonder if he gives a shit because he makes so much money. He 100 percent does not. And nor should he to give a shit. No. Yeah. Yeah. But I think from the time I heard ants marching, I was out.
00:21:08
Speaker
I was immediately out like I was like, nope, not going to do this. There are some songs I as much as it's overplayed, I think Crash is a phenomenally written song. I think it's very, very good. I think that he's done some really good stuff with the what's his name, Tim Reynolds.
00:21:23
Speaker
him and that guy, Tim, that super like virtuoso guitar player, Tim Reynolds and him have done stuff together and that's really entertaining and really good. But overall, it's yeah, I just keep going back to ants marching. Is that because you don't think ants can march because that's what they do, Kevin. They march. I still remember the first time I saw that video on MTV and I was like, well, this isn't going to be anything. This isn't going to last.
00:21:46
Speaker
No one's going to get on board with this bullshit. Well, that wasn't like it, right? That was like another, there was definitely like these moments where things changed, you know, like, like, cause you, at that time what you had Dave Matthews, like REM, well, I guess REM was earlier than that. Yeah, they were always in that college scene. But REM was definitely like a different type of music, you know, cause I mean, and they were happening when, you know, big hair bands were still like a big thing.
00:22:09
Speaker
And there are a lot of people who hate REM. There's a lot of people out there that just cannot stand REM. And I love some of their songs, and I really despise some of their other songs. And so I get it. There's some really annoying REM songs.
00:22:27
Speaker
Well, everybody hurts, man. You know, it's true. That's one of the that's a that's a good one, though. I like that song. And I feel the same way about REM that you do. I there is a lot of shit that I just don't understand shiny happy people or stand or it's the end of the world like it's they're annoying. What the fuck are they doing? It almost seemed like a joke. Right. Whatever. Yeah. No.
00:22:48
Speaker
It almost seemed like it was like they might be giants or something, right? Like they might be giants was like a band that sort of was super interesting, but it was like, what are you, what are you doing or ween? Ween has a huge following and there's, you listen to some ween songs and you're like, I remember the first time I heard pushed a little daisies. I was like,
00:23:04
Speaker
Well, my brother bought the CD and I was like, what the fuck is this? There must be a lot of drugs involved. Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. So anyway, I was going through kind of my like list of earlier, like the Clash, the Dinosaur Junior, the Replacements, Pavement, Nirvana, Bright Eyes. Those are like the main kind of bands for me. And then there's a bunch of offshoots, bands like Wilco, Nutrimo Hotel, the National Pixies, Wedding Present, blah, blah, blah. There's also there's a shit ton of bands that I've really kind of relate to and bonded with.
00:23:34
Speaker
that turned me into kind of a music snob and that's surprising because a lot of those bands that you named are pretty shitty i mean see that's that's fine this is so fun i like this that's super fine i i i
00:23:53
Speaker
Music is so subjective. And it's weird because like I wrote this and I'll talk, well, I'll get there when I get there. So I'm just going to take the hit. I'll take the hit from, I'll take the dart from Kevin and keep moving. I think it's impossible to be a music snob without being a huge asshole.
00:24:14
Speaker
And I'm not a huge asshole. I don't think at least the other facet of my life. Sure, I can be kind of an asshole, but I don't think I'm a huge asshole like I was when I was a fucking.
00:24:28
Speaker
You're a huge asshole every two weeks on Wednesday evenings. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so that's fine too. I do. I do. Don't you think everybody is an asshole? Like in a certain area, like everybody has a way of being an asshole, like in a certain area or a certain way. So it's like, I'm definitely, you know, an asshole. I don't know. I've definitely met some people that I'm like, I don't think there's a mean bone in that person's body.
00:24:51
Speaker
Yeah, because well, that's the person who walks into a Walmart and start shooting people because they are just they are just holding back rage. Right. Because my wife is not an asshole. That's I was going to say the same thing about mine. Like she's just so sweet. Like I just don't think she doesn't. She's always so like positive. Jen Jen's the same way. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:11
Speaker
So clearly Courtney is not because I will not I will not comment. She's funny. Wonderful. Funny. Yeah. And she's kind. She's kind. But I wouldn't I would not describe her. I love her. I would never describe her as sweet.
00:25:27
Speaker
I'm glad she doesn't listen to this podcast. I mean, even if she was sweet when we hung out, she's, I mean, she, but not like, like, cause like, she was sweet to me. Like, like Courtney can get mad and believe me, I push your buttons and like, Hey, what button? There it is. And then like, poke, poke, poke. So, you know,
00:25:45
Speaker
Maybe that's why do we do that? I don't know. Yeah, like I was talking about that about this. I was just like, I know it's like I'm watching myself do it. And there's like part of me that's like, don't do it. And the other part is like, don't do it. Don't do it. Stop. I can't stop it. I think it's not letting me stop pushing this button.
00:26:06
Speaker
I think if you frame it in the proper context, that is the one person where every once in a while you kind of need, not abusive, but you kind of need to be an asshole with sometimes because they keep you in check and you keep them in check. That's true. Yeah. Sometimes you're not, you know, it's okay not to have perfect communication. Let your hair down and just, you just need to get an emotion out.
00:26:29
Speaker
It doesn't even need to make sense. It doesn't have to follow logic. You just kind of need to get that out. But I will say, just keep myself from not getting in trouble. So I don't get in trouble. I will say, it is amazing to watch Courtney with kids. She's just like, man, kids connect with her. And she's just so fun and cheerful and just bright. And they're looking like, I don't trust that guy.
00:26:56
Speaker
Probably fair. It probably got worse. The longer the beard got. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unless I thought you were Santa Claus. Well, yeah. Yeah. You're said. Yeah. That's right. And he gave me a yogurt yogurt because everybody knows Santa's benefits. Absolutely. So get tired of the cookies, you know. Yeah. Try to watch this figure.
00:27:16
Speaker
So why music? Why does music bring out the asshole in people? I spent so much time thinking about this very question that became the basis of my episode because I think what I discovered about myself and fellow fuckers is worth discussing.
00:27:33
Speaker
I initially considered that being a music elitist was a product of low self-esteem. No one could ever appreciate the same music as me, and if they did, they could not possibly relate to it on the same level of my understanding. Those lyrics hit me, man. Obviously, I have a deficit in self-esteem because my faves were so sacred and I used them to prove my worthiness to people I looked up to.
00:27:56
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You know, you'd like to kind of impress your friends that you think have good musical taste or always that one. God, I did that all the time. Absolutely. There's always trying to find the most obscure band and be like, yeah, John's like, no, I don't really didn't really do that, but I totally did that. John's not a people pleaser. Not that way. I am in other ways, not that way.
00:28:19
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He likes to make a good BLT. I do. I do. Come on over and get one of John's BLTs. I'll make you happy. That's great. Music song snobbery is so much more and it doesn't get much better. So there's not a lot of upsides to being a snob is what I was kind of saying. So let's tackle the question about why music? After all, music is just poems that are sung.
00:28:48
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And why, what the fuck is singing? You're basically just reading, but changing the lengths of letters. Your tempo shifts. Big fucking deal. Pitch changes. Lame. Octaves vacillate. Stupid. Okay. Of course I'm joking. I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but it's incredible to me. So I've always thought what amazing singers can accomplish.
00:29:17
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Right. When you listen, Kevin, do you have a question? No, I don't. Okay. Because when you think about what singing actually is, there are, there's like an infinite ways to express your feelings and emotion through a song. Right. And no two voices are ever going to sound alike. You can have a thousand people singing the same song and each one of those renditions is going to sound completely different.
00:29:40
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Unless it's John and I singing together. Cause I think we're, we said a lot. We don't have any emotions when we say totally devoid of emotion.
00:29:59
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00:30:00
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I can I answer your question? Yes, please. I don't even know what you said. Why music? Why music? And I think I think that like the people
00:30:13
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The people like me and you, clearly Greg, who were possibly still our music snobs, is that I gravitated towards music above other things. I've always been a big sports fan, but I definitely
00:30:30
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sports sort of took a backseat when I became super, super into music. And I also was fans, a fan of bands that were sort of, you know, putting up the middle finger to the corporate music, you know, structure, the structure. Yeah. I mean, like Kurt Cobain, even though the ironic thing about Kurt Cobain is that he wanted to be huge. Like that's he wanted that initially so badly. And then when it happened,
00:30:58
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He definitely couldn't handle it, obviously. He killed him. Yeah, he thought he wanted it, but he couldn't deal with it. But I think when you hear when they put out... I don't want to get too deep in the weeds here, but I guess whatever, it's about music. When they put out in utero, the record company was just
00:31:18
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just so angry they're like no you can't put this out this is a this is a train wreck you listen to that album compared to nevermind it is a lot different the way it was yeah they want to never mind 2.0 yeah and i mean kurt hated the way that that nevermind sounded or at least he said that i still like even now and then was i mean it's one of the best produced albums rock albums i've ever heard i mean it's so so well put together whether you like the songs or not
00:31:44
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if you appreciate good sound engineering, which is super nerdy, that that album is phenomenal. I mean, who doesn't? Right. Right. But that album is phenomenal. But panty dropper. But I have an erection just talking about it. But I mean, I think, though, that like having all of the the the anti, you know, major label stuff and all that,
00:32:08
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from people like Kurt Cobain or I'm trying to think of who else, like even Eddie Vedder was that way too. You latch onto that and you're like, no way man, I don't want this band to get huge. This is a band that I like. I like seeing them at the small venue. I don't want them to get huge. I don't want to have to pay 50 bucks for a ticket. I like spending 15 to go see them.
00:32:30
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So I mean like you went to a concert. I was I was in high school at the time, dude. OK, because I was thinking like it's five. It's five hundred dollars. I paid thirty dollars to see Nirvana. Wow. I mean, that's what happens. What happens is we become so possessive of of these bands that we relate to. And we think to ourselves, oh, no one else could possibly relate to what they're doing and the words. But I also.
00:32:56
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You know, the coolest one of the coolest things about Nirvana and yet Nevermind was like produced like incredibly well and especially when you consider what happened before Nevermind and then after Nevermind. But you know, just like smells like teen spirit, like nobody knew what the fucking lyrics were, but they 100 percent knew what that song was about. It took a while. You had to get deep into that. You had to listen to that song over and over again to actually get the lyrics.
00:33:24
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But, man, there is no doubting the emotion behind it. And that is one thing that music does, I think, better than any other art form.
00:33:34
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Or any other art form that I relate to, because you obviously never seem to interpretive dance. That... I have, John. And I think there's ranks above it. You don't understand it. You just don't understand it. I don't know. Riverdance was pretty solid. I did really appreciate that. That dance was pretty amazing. That was pretty amazing. I love watching those commercials. There were so many commercials for that, too.
00:33:56
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But I think, Greg, though, that that I think there was also a there was a knock against success there. There was some sort of feeling where if a band was successful, then I could note we could no longer relate to them in the way that we were just talking about the biggest insult you can give a band like Nirvana was saying they went mainstream.
00:34:16
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Right mainstream mainstream was a dirty word. Yeah, totally. So and it makes sense because you want people that are like minded to like the band, but you don't want it to be for everybody. All your asshole friends from high school or whatever, you don't want them fucking appreciating and liking it. And that's why I'm trying to tell you that my music has changed so much because now I don't give a fuck.
00:34:39
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No, and nor should you. Like, I totally remember seeing people with Pearl Jam shirts and in like junior high and being like, oh, you got to be fucking kidding me. Really? Like, this is going big now. So yeah, something that bothers me. I mean, since I mean, I don't care. God, God, no, no, no, no, no. Is you know how you have like five lug nuts on a tire? No, I'm kidding. No, it's it's I hate. One thing I do, I hate when people wear shirts, the bands that they don't listen to.
00:35:07
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That's big with the that's big with the kids these that's big. We're nirvana. There's like kids now like we're not back Yeah, and they don't listen to nirvana And it's just like I feel like if you're gonna wear like a t-shirt that has a band like the band T-shirt you should like listen to that band I know about him there was a Fairness and fairness. I never listened to champion
00:35:27
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When I was my last job, I thought that was going to be funnier than I know. I don't know what that was. I don't know what the champion like. It's a brand of clothing. Oh, you should have said stucy. I would have understood that. OK, Ed Hardy, but I OK.
00:35:43
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The woman I used to work with, she's dating a woman who's younger than her, and she's younger than me. But she came in in a Nirvana shirt one day, and I was like, oh, you got a Nirvana shirt. I love it. I used to have that shirt. It's the one with the yellow smiley face or whatever with the...
00:35:59
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And and she was like, she was like, oh, she was like, oh, it's my you know, it's Emily's, it's my girlfriends. And I was like, oh, she's like, yeah, it's funny, too, because she has no idea. Like I mentioned Kurt Cobain. She was like, who's that? I don't know who that is. You know what? You know, she didn't have any idea who Kurt Cobain was. It's obnoxious. It's obnoxious. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You're right. Because Nirvana is the whole theme of your show of your episode. Right. It doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter. Because Nirvana may as well be like Vans.
00:36:31
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Yeah, they have their fucking logos or wherever they are. I don't know. I think I'm on Jon's side on this one. I'm still snobbish enough to be annoyed with with that when someone's like, there's no idea anything about the band. I would. Now, would I prefer a young person actually listens to the band and gets it? Yeah, I would. I would. But hey, the shirts are available at Target. So what can you do? Yeah. So you're for six ninety nine. Yeah.
00:36:59
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Dude, I got a Led Zeppelin and a Nirvana shirt. Oh, you like those bands? They're bands? What's a band? Aren't they just individual songs? Is it on YouTube? Like, I don't know. I kind of think what you guys were talking about that kind of goes back to, you know, it's like, I think everybody wants to be, we all want to be special and unique. Right. And most of us aren't.
00:37:22
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Right. Most of us aren't going to do anything that's crazy. Most of us are just cogs in the machine. And I don't mean like work. I just mean the whole society. It's like when I travel, that's one of the things I realize is like, all right, everybody's the fucking same. Like they speak a different language, but they're still just humans. And we're all so similar. And none of us are really that special. Like I got into a thing like I think I've talked about this before I posted this. His upbringing was rough.
00:37:43
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No, no, no, it's not. It doesn't mean that we should enjoy life. And there's so many amazing things. But I remember I posted a thing like a couple of years ago where I was talking about that.
00:37:53
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you only matter to a small group of people. Even if you're like close to 100 people, right? It's like, so it's like, you're really insignificant, like mathematically, right? And people were like, oh, are you okay? You know, hey, you matter. I'm like, it's like, guys, I am like comfortable with who I am. Like, I don't need, like, this isn't a cry for help. Stop sending me flowers.
00:38:14
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And then a guy I went to high school with, he's like traveled with Bobby Blue Band, who used to play with B.B. King. And so he's like, he's done, you know, like, I don't think he's like made a lot of money on it, but he's like done really cool things. And he was just like, I was on this album and, you know, people have told me how to change their lives or whatever. And I just wanted to respond with like, okay, like how many, there's like, you know, 7 billion people in the world. And, you know, let's say that 10% of them play a musical instrument. And let's say that, you know, 10% of those play a saxophone and 10%.
00:38:43
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In other words, it's like there's just so many fucking I believe it's called a saxophone. It's like you can't. You're just you're not special because there's just too many people. OK, OK, that might be true, but it's so fucking cynical, John. Yes, it is pretty cynical. It's true. It's special to your people. OK, no. OK, but this is this is a epiphany that you have when you're like our age.
00:39:08
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So you don't want I but but I can't wait. Let me finish this. I don't disagree with you. Right. But I'm not disagreeing with songs about that. I'm just saying that I think I agree with like I'm saying that it's like I can't really be too about the song or like the band part, but I can relate that it's like you want to be. In other words, it's like I want to be special. And this was my special thing. So when it goes mainstream, now it's not cool because it's not special anymore. So I'm going to go find another thing that's special.
00:39:32
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I think that is part of it. But I also think that you just said mainstream. And I think that a lot of it is the negative connotation we gave to mainstream. I would love to go mainstream with this podcast. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, I mean, I like I look at it now and I like when a band gets it gets, you know, when a when a small band gets successful, I'm like, fuck good for them, man. I'm going to make some fucking money at this. I tried to be a rock star. It did not happen, spoiler alert.
00:39:57
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So it's fucking hard. So now when I see someone who makes it, I'm like, I'm like good for that man. That's so great. And back in the day, yeah, I was like, well, fuck, now I can't listen to him anymore. I am. I am. I was the I was the exact same way, Kevin. And it's it's absolutely ridiculous. But
00:40:16
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I think when you touch upon what part of what John was saying, that we're kind of insignificant. We only matter to a few and we want to find things that make us feel different. When you're coming of age, when you're 14, 15, 16, you get that anxiety. It's a hard age. Yeah.
00:40:35
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You're diving in, you're diving into that fucking music and you're rebelling against your parents and you're like, Oh God, my parents are not gonna fucking like the same music I like, right? You can't, you can't, they can't, another, a different generation could never relate to you. And, but you're, but even if you're cynical about your music and you're a snob,
00:40:54
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You're still idealistic. And what I mean by that is you're still willing to fucking be completely consumed by it. Yeah. And totally vulnerable. Why the music like you're like you let it become fucking so part of you and you're right in the fucking band name on all your P.T. folders. And it's like you're writing it on your on your shoes. It's like your traffic keeper. Yeah. Your traffic keeper. I really regret my dread Zeppelin tattoo. And nobody. Yeah.
00:41:24
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And nobody could possibly be as cool as me doing it. And it's that's fine. And that's fine. And, you know, the thing, the thing that Nirvana did so well is something that dinosaur junior did even better. And they had this like disassociated.
00:41:41
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kind of affectation where a band like Donaster Jr., he's writing songs and thinking about all these girls that he'll just never get with, even though he wants it so bad, but he sings it in such a tone where he could take it or leave it.
00:41:56
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And it's like, it's kind of dismissive, but he's also bearing a soul. And Nirvana did that really well too, but on a much bigger scale and time and place, like Nirvana took the world by storm because we had a bunch of disassociated
00:42:14
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disaffected people and obviously it their sound their sound even more than their words before you knew what a before you even knew what anything meant because I always did deep dives into lyrics I would sit with the fucking lyrics in front of me while I listened to songs I liked and I would just fucking go over and over before any of any of that happened
00:42:35
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people just fucking were like, fuck, yeah, this is exactly how I fucking feel. Yeah. Yeah. Angstee like and it, you know, they're, they're, they're credited a lot with getting us out of the hair metal stuff, you know, the hairband stuff and all that. Oh yeah. They were like fucking Motley crew. Like so many bands needed fucking Nirvana poison and all that stuff. Yeah.
00:42:55
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Yeah, because I'm not going to lie. I liked a lot of that stuff because I was in my I was in like fifth grade, you know, like it was in fourth grade or whatever. And it's I did like a lot of like, hey, I loved Def Leppard. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to admit to that. But also, I mean, you know, Bon Jovi was not wrong. Things are slippery when wet.
00:43:12
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They are. Yeah, right. You know, it was just profound. John is the roundabout. He likes roundabouts. I'm very concerned about traffic and waving. Exactly. Good point. OK, I think you're I think you're right is that in that like there was a there was a
00:43:31
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fire brewing you know there was a there was something had to change and you did have I mean I was an angsty teen no doubt about it I mean teens are right aren't I mean yeah teens I don't know that I don't know that all teens are I feel like some I feel like a lot of people are
00:43:46
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I felt at the time like a lot of people were way more well adjusted than I was. But I just didn't. Yeah, but you weren't in their head. That's true. I mean, I'm just going by what I saw and how they interacted with people and stuff. And I was definitely a lot more introverted then. And I came out of my shell as high school went on. At the beginning, it was tougher for me. But Nirvana definitely spoke to me.
00:44:07
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What'd you say? I don't know. I said I wish you'd go back into that shell. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. That was just mean. It's very mean. Just really, really mean. Okay, so I was discussing the way people sing.
00:44:23
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And the fuck, I don't even remember where the fuck I left off, but I said something like, I think I can't even articulate how the feelings I get when a song hits just right. And even though my music snobbery is primarily based on indie rock or alternative music, classical music can create the same swell of emotional response. The tone, the mood, tempo, volume, it can like really fuck up your feelings.
00:44:51
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even if it's just instrumental stuff. And I've been watching a shit ton of videos on TikTok where you'll have a guy that's playing classical piano in an airport or a restaurant, and then someone will come and and sing an operatic song or they'll play a violin or something like that. And it's just music can move me and move a lot of people in in ways that most other art can't add music will take you to a place in a second.
00:45:20
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Oh yeah, totally. The best thing you could do is like let go and let it take you. Yeah.
00:45:28
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I've been on kind of a nostalgic kick lately of music, listening to stuff from back in the day. I deserve that. Someone, one of my buddies from high school sent me this SoundCloud thing of a bunch of bands that we used to go see at like, you know, VFW halls and shit like that back in the day when we were kids, punk bands and stuff.
00:45:51
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It's been fun listening to that again. To your point, I mean, talk about taking you back to a place in a time or a moment in your life. And it definitely is like- It brings back those feelings. It totally does. And some of them were uncomfortable feelings. I'm not going to lie. I was like, Oh God, I forgot about that weird sort of triangle that was going on.
00:46:18
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I mean that's the time of your life when that kind of shit really gets you so do you guys do you guys remember like I Really remember like we're feeling the difference of going from
00:46:32
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A kid who didn't have testosterone pumping through his body and hitting puberty and like how like, man, that changed the way I saw the world. Like nothing has ever changed my worldview so dramatically. Cannabis as. How old would you say that, that, uh, that your transition happened?
00:46:54
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I was like, I remember being like 12 and being like, huh, right. And then hitting, and then, and then basically like the, the summer between 13 and 14 is when I really like, I started feeling 12, but I really shot up. Was it the summer you turned pretty?
00:47:12
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It was the summer I turned pretty and it was pretty and tall. I got pretty and tall and all of a sudden girls were like talking and I was just, and I didn't know. I was just like, it was just like, what the fuck is happening? And I, I missed someone there. Can I do your work please? Yeah, seriously. Do you like coffee? We can go out for coffee or cheese sticks.
00:47:31
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Oh my, my parents are not going to be home on Thursday. Don't forget, I'm going to get the cream. I remember like this is like, cause I had all these friends that were girls like when I was a kid.
00:47:47
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You know, they were just girls. They were just like, like, you know, like what I like notice women like I remember noticing like women like like in their early 20s. And I definitely be like, even from like being two, I'd be like, oh, well. But I remember like like all of a sudden, like my friends, I was just like who I've never looked at any other way than just like they're just other friend. I was like, oh, wow. Like that's a girl like she's a girl. Seriously, like I was also from a young age, I was like, I remember the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues that I would get. And I was like,
00:48:15
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I, I, yeah, I was a sexual sexual being from any. I can't. My dad had some. And now we're talking about your first boners. It's all connected, Greg. It's all part of the bigger ecosystem. I remember my dad had some magazines that my mom made him throw away because my brother and I are like, we'll just keep dragging them out. And we were little and we've just like flipped through them because we're like, Oh, like, what is this? You know, having.
00:48:40
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pictures of dead body parts. Fine. Don't have any tits and ass though. Get rid of that. Yeah. That's, that's going to mess you up. Yep. All right. Go back to music. Okay. I will. Anyway, porn snobs. What are we talking about? I was never a snob about getting a boner. No, I was equal opportunity there. You were very mainstream about that.
00:49:02
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I will tell you that if there's anybody, we're going back to music, not the Boner part before I say this. Anybody who I grew up with in junior high or high school is listening to this going, oh my God, Kevin was the biggest fucking music snob. I remember because I totally was. I'm sure. I'm sure you. I know you are still. I get it. So I haven't even gotten to the instrument parts. Right. Right. Classical music. People dedicate their entire and not just classical music.
00:49:32
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Banjos. Like, in indie, everything. People dedicate their entire existence to perfecting their instrument of choice, right? It's just kind of nuts to me.
00:49:43
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the loyalty and work ethic and what made John choose like the, his auto sacks versus he could have played the drums and gotten laid, but no, wait a minute, the drums. I mean, he could have been a bass player. I think it's, I think it's just as, just how,
00:50:02
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As unique as it is, the music that you latch onto, I think for people that become musicians, it's fascinating to me to think about why they got attached to the instrument that they did. I can tell you how many accordions. Yeah, let's hear it. So in my high school, well, we were seventh through 12th. So seventh grade, you're required to take, you do, it's like a semester of art and a semester of home ec.
00:50:31
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Um, or you can be in band and I didn't, and I, and I wanted to do art, but I got the first semester I got home X. So I changed class that day and joined band. And I didn't fucking know. So I was just basically like, I'll play that thing. We got one instrument left. Pretty much, pretty much. Yeah. And so I played, yeah, I played, I played alto sax and it turned out I was actually really good at it. I just had a natural, like I had an, not an affinity. What's the word I'm looking for? Affinity.
00:50:59
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Affinity I mean I did I did entity. Yeah, look look man. I was a tenor sax player. So fuck you John I would I was I was your man. I was forgot beef Off the bat No, it's an ensemble Kevin an ensemble. No, no, no, it's every man for himself. No, okay. Well so if you something else that I think it's like super cool is is like
00:51:24
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And I talked, I talked about this just a second ago is like the work ethic that you're going to put into this. And it becomes like, you look at these musicians, these classical musicians that fucking, they went mad like fucking Beethoven and all these classical. They went crazy for their art and it was literally a part of them. And when you think about it, the part that's really cool is it's art.
00:51:48
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It's not like they threw themselves into doing fucking engineering or math or it's it's. The whole purpose of art, in my opinion, is to kind of share it with others. It's it's and move. It's no it's no less important. It's no less important than any other science. It's more vulnerable, though. It's more personal. Oh, yeah. Yes. Absolutely. You know, it really grounds my gears.
00:52:15
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I do. I do want to know what grinds your gears. Go. So I fucking hate. I hate. I hate. I hate. I hate. I hate when you're at a party. Right. And some asshole breaks out of a car. I want to be home in bed. No, no. I hate what some asshole all the sudden. Like you're at a party and like you're all having fun. Everybody's talking and all of a sudden somebody pulls out a guitar and like a few people start playing and singing. It's just like to me, it's like, dude,
00:52:39
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If I want to fucking go hear a band, or I want to come hear you play, then I'll fucking come hear you play, but I'm at a party. If I want to go to an open mic night, then go to the shitty bar on the corner over there. Fuckin' Tuesday. Those don't mean this on a Saturday night, bud. Those people are definitely high, though.
00:52:55
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I tell you, I have not seen that happen in a very long time. In fact, it's still happening. Either you're hanging out with younger people or I am pretty happy to get new friends. Yeah. 20 year olds really love hanging out with me because I can buy beer. OK, that's a crime. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Well, so was so was fucking doing cocaine, but I did that. So I mean, do you want to admit them on the podcast at 150 people?
00:53:22
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Hopefully 100,000. You forgot that part. Only 150 people listen and 149 of them are DEA agents. Yeah, we're really big with law enforcement.
00:53:37
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So I was going to give an example and you guys might not like this artist, but it was something that I read that I thought was pretty interesting. Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band spent a year and a half recording the album Born to Run.
00:53:54
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and maybe I was born to run six months six months they spent recording born to run the song oh the they spent six months recording the song it was a year and a half on the album and and six of those months was just on board and run jesus christ think about think about the fucking like artistic integrity it takes
00:54:17
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Or maybe he was just shitty. I was going to say, I almost think that's like borderline OCD. Yeah, exactly. At some point like, hey, man. Yeah. Huge success. It's not that great of a song. I mean, come on. Huge, huge success, though. And if you think about like the dedication.
00:54:34
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It becomes your whole life. And I have to assume that, you know, the drummer saxophone player, I can name them by name, but I don't want to because I'm going to sound like a nerd. The guy like they're like the guy from the Sopranos. Yeah. It's like, Bruce, we fucking nailed it. Fifty five hundred takes ago. I think we're good.
00:54:57
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But, you know, you're talking about Springsteen and he didn't want to stop until he had it in his mind, until he heard it the way he heard it in his mind. And that's fucking cool. It's art. It's like you don't have to do this. And it's not mandatory, but it's it's I think it's pretty. You know, it's Marching was three years.
00:55:20
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Well, that's because they were so high they wrote a chord every month. Well, it was really hard to get the ants to do what they wanted. They tried to take it a little too literally at first.
00:55:31
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No one understood what Dave was talking about. Nobody was. Nobody. I've heard stories like that before. And I always I always think that it's interesting because I was a guy like Bruce Springsteen. I have kind of a I love. I mean, I respect him immensely. But like there's a lot of songs where I'm like dancing in the dark. Don't need to ever hear that again. Hungry Heart. No, no, thanks. But there's a lot of great songs. I mean, a lot of great songs. But
00:55:58
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I do wonder, I feel like he's got integrity enough to be like, okay, he was looking for something specific. I do feel like with some other people, it's just like an ego thing. Because even I've heard stories of Axel Rose being that way. And
00:56:15
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Are you guys frozen? Am I frozen? Am I frozen? God damn it! This internet connection. Where did I leave off? You were frozen. But Axl Rose was that way. I've heard that Axl Rose was kind of that way too. I was a Guns N' Roses fan when I was...
00:56:32
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10, but I don't think any part of that was artistic integrity with him. It was it was it was a power play. It was a it was an ego thing and all that. So I do wonder sometimes if it's like, all right, do you really care that much if this note is perfect or are you just trying to like throw your weight around?
00:56:53
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But with Springsteen, I think he probably he did have something in his head that was not quite there yet. With me, six months is a long time. It would definitely be me throwing my weight around because, first of all, I don't play an instrument anymore. And I and you don't have a lot of weight. And I don't. It's true. How do you maintain your girlish figure? It's a mess. He keeps. Oh, that does help.
00:57:14
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He keeps all his body fat on his double chin. It's covered up by the beard. My chin hangs down. It's the only place you gain weight. But it's like bullfrogs find me very attractive. Oh, you think bullfrogs even find other bullfrogs? Like, yeah, maybe.
00:57:39
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Oh, check out that. Check out that double chin. Hmm. Hmm. Have you guys seen that show? Ladder Milk? Yes. No, it's good. It's about it's got Ron Livingston, you know, the guy that was in the office office space. Yeah. And he is a former music critic and super music snobby and the character, not Ron Livingston.
00:58:03
Speaker
Not maybe. We don't we don't know for sure. But yeah, the character is bringing him out as a guest. It's been a very long lead up. He's like he's like waiting outside camera view here. He's just getting hammered right now. I think that was an interesting show. Pizza with Greg's family.
00:58:20
Speaker
Yeah, well, if I were to finish the episode sooner, I'd be there. I just made myself laugh really hard. OK. Damn it. So that's that's a show that's worth it. Worth given a watch just because my alley. Yeah. The character is is like a former music critic. And he was definitely he still isn't a music. And I agree with 99 percent of the things that he says.
00:58:48
Speaker
John, I don't know if you like the show or not, but I love a lot. Yeah. A lot of milk. I like what network is it on? It's on prime right now. You can watch Netflix or Prime. One of those or Hulu. We don't need to name them all, guys. One of them. One of them. Look it up, you son of a bitch. Max Max Thunderdome. I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's on Peacock.
00:59:11
Speaker
It's Netflix. Definitely. I made a list of bands that make me. Oh, he got a guess. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm excited. This is like I'm really excited about this. Oh, yeah. We do have a guest. We have a guest. Turn around. Kevin. Oh, hey, buddy. What's up? OK, come here. Come here. You want to say hi to the guys? Hi, buddy. How are you doing? Oh, he can't hear us. Remember me. Hi.
00:59:42
Speaker
Okay. That was really entertaining. You sound like John. All right, buddy. All right. Hey, can you go sit on the couch? What daddy finishes? Watch your tablet. Okay. I, uh, I told, I, Sheena texted me before and she's like, I don't feel good at all. And I said, go to bed, just open my door and if Elwood comes in, he comes in. What can we do?
01:00:07
Speaker
There's nothing. We're just going to enjoy Elwood. What does Elwood think about bands? What does he think about music snubs? Elwood is, let's see, what kind of music does he like? He really likes the Halloween song. No, he doesn't like that one. He likes the Halloween song from Nightmare Before Christmas. This is Halloween. This is Halloween. We're talking about music, Ellen. He really likes that song a lot.
01:00:31
Speaker
All right. Yeah, it's awesome. And he loves the wheels on the bus go round and round. Oh, man, that's a classic. It is. And it's a real it's a thinker, you know, like you really have to think about it, you know, what are they doing? It's a it's a it's a song about Vietnam. A lot of people don't know. It's a war song. It is a protest song. Yeah. Well, because, you know, just life just is like war just keeps going and going and going like like the wheels on the bus. You know, that's right. That's right.
01:00:59
Speaker
Alright, so I'm gonna cut out a bunch of things that I actually... Because of time. But I have to get to my list of bands that I fucking hate. I'm actually kind of excited about this band.
01:01:13
Speaker
OK. And and also, let me just tell you, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be successful and they're not entitled to all the money they've made. I'm not saying that at all. It's just me personally. I fucking hate them. So. So wait, we know Dave Matthews. Nickelback. Oh, yeah. Big time. Creed. Big time. Limp Biscuit. Big time. Rush. Oh, so here's the thing.
01:01:39
Speaker
I get it. I have always disliked Rush. I think his voice grates on me, but the musicianship is pretty, pretty good. I mean, like they're all phenomenal musicians. Same with Dave Matthews. They're good musicians.
01:01:54
Speaker
I don't know that Dave is, but the rest of them are. Yeah. Fucking Dave. Yeah. So. And also, I think you two since like. Yeah, I agree with Joshua Tree. Yeah. Whoa. I'm going to disagree with you. Maybe it was terrible fucking album. I don't think that was a terrible album at all. I think that's craziness. Yeah, I would rather. I agree, John. I would rather listen to the wheels of the bus go around.
01:02:19
Speaker
I honestly think like like U2 is is a band that has kind of impressed me with their staying power overall. Although I don't want to go see him in that sphere because it looks like I'm I would I think I would just throw up or have seizure. I'm not sure. Yeah.
01:02:32
Speaker
So I was thinking about like why I hate certain bands. Is that it? Do you have more or is that it? Well, that's pretty much those are the big ones. But I'm sure if I if I look to you, I mean, there's so many videos and songs that I hated. And I came in or I grew up in the time of my life where I really formed my musical identity and feelings. It was during MTV videos. Yeah. And that's why I could really hate, hate
01:03:01
Speaker
bands because you have to sit through that matter. Yeah, you have to sit through them. There's no like fast forwarding. No DVR. There's no DVR. And you're stuck listening to Peter Gabriel singing Sledgehammer. And see, now I actually like Peter Gabriel. I like MTV made me hate Peter Gabriel. They did play that quite a bit. Yeah, it was. And even like Madonna, I just couldn't stand watching these videos that I just thought I like to. I think Peter Gabriel's got some game. I really do.
01:03:32
Speaker
I'm, I'm sure he, yeah, I didn't resonate with me, but, and that's okay. We gotta go pee pee. We gotta go pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee
01:03:56
Speaker
That's sort of why. I just pee my pants with my diaper on.
01:04:03
Speaker
So I also have to say that I hate music snobs, too. Yeah. I don't care if you've been listening to REM since day one. I don't care if you think bands are sellouts. I don't care. Will you tell me who I'm supposed to like? If I don't like something, I can't fake it. I also think that there are bands that are creating amazing new music.
Modern Music Tastes & Genre Evolution
01:04:24
Speaker
People bitch a lot, especially in our age group that there's they just don't make music like these. So that's bullshit. That's a fucking cop out.
01:04:31
Speaker
You have to broaden your horizons. That's what that's what I found. I mean, like, like my favorite album last year was Janelle Monae.
01:04:40
Speaker
Mm. Yeah. I mean, I love I have I have gotten very much into like hip hop and R&B because to me, that's where the interesting stuff is happening. Rock, when I listen to new rock, it's either stuff that I would never listen to that's in like that Nickelback category you were talking about, or it's just indie rock that is just so boring and soulless to me. Like, I'm sure it connects with some people. But it's so boring and soulless to me that I've gone elsewhere to find
01:05:09
Speaker
the stuff that I like and I connect more with hip hop and R&B now than I do with rock, which is crazy. I mean, like, like 16 year old Kevin would never have thought that would happen.
01:05:21
Speaker
I love I love bluegrass. Do you really should? I really do. Like I know I couldn't I couldn't name off like bluegrass artists. I don't like, you know, but like I will say like if I if I'm because I grew up, but when I was younger, I was like, oh, blue, you know, like, fuck that. I don't know. Like because I was like it was where I grew up. It was like a like country and bluegrass. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. But but and I'm not a big country fan. There's some of it I like. There's some there's some older country. But like, I mean, you know, you get like, oh, God, who's the
01:05:51
Speaker
Ring of Fire. Johnny Cash. Right. Right. He's borderline country. You know, Willie Nelson, because Willie Nelson just he's just he's just been around so long. And Willie Nelson is real country. Yeah. Like like some. Yeah. Some of that super old school stuff. Yeah. Like Bluegrass. Like if I go somewhere, like if I don't know, you go to a festival or something, it just happens to be like a blue. I really enjoy it. I really like bluegrass. I really like like just the instrument like the like the guitar banjo, still guitar, like all that together. It just.
01:06:18
Speaker
There's just something that made my dreams come true because I really wanted this music snob episode to end with John telling me how much he loves. Well, here's the thing that I think about bluegrass, and I know this is such a stupid thing to say because like. Oh, good. Did you go pee pee? Where? Where did you go pee pee?
01:06:42
Speaker
OK, good. In this froggy. All right. I think like out of context, that's kind of weird. That is weird. That is weird. If you just if you just checked in there. Hang on, buddy, hang on.
01:06:54
Speaker
But I think like with bluegrass, it's one of those, those genres where it all kind of runs together for me. And I, and I hate to say that because I've heard people say that about, about hip hop. I've heard people say that about all sorts of different genres that I don't agree with at all. So I hate saying those words, but it's hard to differentiate. It is very formulaic. Well, it's very, it's very much a very defined genre, right? Agreed. Totally.
01:07:22
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. That's just my, that's my, it's my hot take. I'm so happy. We would wrap this thing up, man. Yeah. So let's get to the last call. It's a, it's an Elwood induced last call. Okay. Well, clearly I'm going to need this. Yeah. Let's have our little shotty shot. Cheers. Cheers. And to Greg.
01:07:42
Speaker
We're cheersin' to Dave Matthews. Where did cheers and music snobs that have changed their ways have softened a little bit? All right, all right. Okay, this episode was more book report than podcast, so if you did not like it, go listen to Hootie and the Blowfish, you fucker.
01:08:04
Speaker
Music snobs will always like what they like, but I like to think that my tastes have evolved and I'll keep looking for new music that made me feel the same way I did when I first heard The Clash, Dinosaur Jr., The Replacements, or Bright Eyes. And if anyone has any recommendations, send them away. I don't want to defeat myself.
01:08:24
Speaker
I think if I may interject, I think as I've gotten older, I have realized it is just, Hey man, whatever moves you, who cares? That's right. Like whatever moves you, whatever makes you happy. Like when I was dating, the worst answer that I could, I could get from someone when I asked about music was
01:08:41
Speaker
Well, you know, I like everything, whatever. And that's a personal worst answer because I was so passionate about music. It was hard for me to be with someone who wasn't also passionate about music. I dated a woman who was super into like DJs and stuff, and I really wasn't into that at the time, but I appreciated her passion for the music, you know?
Music's Role in Relationships
01:09:01
Speaker
But now that I'm older, very old, man, whatever floats your boat, whatever makes you happy, whatever moves you,
01:09:11
Speaker
I don't care. Yeah, I agree, too. And as long as it's not insane clown posse, because that's just fucking weird. Yeah, that is weird. But I always said I had similar issues with people that didn't have a stance or have a strong opinion about music, but it's just it just wasn't their thing. And that's OK. I was just being in the dating world like that. I need it because a friend. Sure. You know, I had friends who didn't care about music and we were buddies because we both liked hockey or we both liked movies or whatever, you know, but.
01:09:38
Speaker
John, do you have anything to add? Roadhouse. Oh, good point.
Pop Culture Commentary: Roadhouse Remake
01:09:43
Speaker
Did you hear they're remaking that with Jake Gyllenhaal? Yeah, I did. I am equally, I am equally disappointed and excited about that. And I'm not going to watch it. You won't? Nope. Yeah. Nothing can. Is Sammy Elliott Elliott going to be in it? He'd probably be looking pretty rough. No, Sam. No, Greg. I can't think of a better way to end this episode.