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136- Is rewilding vegan?
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Rewilding is arguably the hot new topic in vegan circles...but is it always vegan, or what is best of animals? Kate, Julie & Ant dip their toes into this one, making reference to the following sources:
https://rewildingeurope.com/what-is-rewilding/
https://knepp.co.uk/
https://iucn.org/resources/issues-brief/benefits-and-risks-rewilding#:~:text=Poorly%20managed%20rewilding%2C%20however%2C%20carries,revised%2C%20with%20reduced%20herbivore%20numbers.&text=Without%20proper%20consultation%20rewilding%20may,causing%20projects%20to%20be%20abandoned
https://whoownsengland.org/
https://www.naturebooks.co.uk/product/the-lie-of-the-land-who-really-cares-for-the-countryside
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Introduction to Rewilding and Veganism
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody! Is rewilding vegan? And in fact, come to that matter, what is rewilding anyway? This is vegan talk from Enough of the Falafel. I'm Anthony and for this episode I'm also joined by Kate and Julie.
00:00:23
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Take your lab-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? So they call the media and say, hi, sorry. they They're arguing like, oh poor Woe is me. Hang on a minute, you always pick me.
00:00:50
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long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns, you'll be alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:00:59
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No, I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. and Hello listeners! It's Kate here. It's great that you can join us on this episode of Vegan Talk. Thank you so so much for being here. Hello everybody. It's Julie here.
Rewilding in the Vegan Community
00:01:15
Speaker
Today we are going to talk about rewilding and its place within the vegan movement. Mmm. Indeed. It's definitely a phrase that we have been hearing more and more in the last few years, I would say, in vegan circles. Certainly in my little vegan circle, the phrase keeps coming up, but it's not always clear cut as to what it is and how vegan it always is. Kate, would you mind getting us started by talking just a little bit of a, like I don't know, rewilding 101? Because there may be listeners who have not heard the phrase before or they have, but they they don't really necessarily know much about what it means.
00:01:58
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Yeah so rewilding it's something that I think is essential and we as vegans really really need to be part of the conversation and and I think it's probably a bit different depending on which part of the world you are and what habitats you're talking about when you get down to specifics but I think just if we imagine what it's not How agriculture is at the moment. You know, just imagine standing on the edge of a ploughed field with grubbed up hedges. It's been sprayed by countless chemicals. The soil is dead. There's like ah one crop sown in it, which might or might not be a single species crop and genetically modified. That bleakness is what we want to get away from with rewilding.
00:02:52
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We want nature to take over, to come back, because in that situation, nature has been completely destroyed. So and there's a really great quote from rewildingeurope.com, which I think kind of describes it really well. It's a progressive approach to conservation. It's about letting nature take care of itself. And that's really important, I think.
00:03:16
Speaker
enabling natural processes to shape land and sea, repair damaged ecosystems, and restore degraded landscapes. Through rewilding, wildlife's natural rhythms create wilder, more biodiverse habitats. So I think that really kind of sums it up really well. And it is kind of it is man stepping back, really, ideally.
Human Intervention and Ecosystem Impact
00:03:43
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And also while man steps back, removing some of the infrastructure that um has been put in over the past however many years, you know, the drains, the ditches, letting rivers take their natural courses, letting plants and trees start um coming in naturally, plus also to some extent re-introducing some species that have been lost because they all have their special places within the ecosystem. It's a web of life. Insects, birds, animals, plants, they all
00:04:20
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have their little niche ways of living, relying on each other in in ways that we don't even understand the most part. And you know there are some good examples um in this country, but there are are they can be very controversial. Like, for example, beavers being reintroduced, and beavers, they'll dam rivers, they'll So in and doing that, they kind of, they they kind of will chop down trees and like dams, they create um pools where dragonfly and fish and all sorts of other creatures thrive where they didn't before. And they also will help stop flooding for human settlements further down the the the line down the river. And there have been some examples where, I mean, sometimes it might involve bringing in like predator species.
00:05:14
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you know And are we prepared for that in this country? um you know Creatures like wolves that they've brought back into certain parts of America that have had amazing beneficial effects by by um killing the elk and eating them. I mean, how do we feel about all this as vegans, you know?
Philosophies of Rewilding
00:05:35
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It's ah it's a it's a kind of wild world out there. How happy are we about these things? Anyway, so that's just my take on rewilding, which not everyone agrees with. Yeah, I mean, Julie, is there anything that you would add to that or or change in terms of like a general understanding of ah what rewilding is or
00:05:58
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indeed, why it's something that's that's a word that's being banded around a lot at the moment. Well, it means different things to different people and there are different versions of rewielding now appearing. It started in the 90s with an environmental activist called David Forman and he was all about the reintroducing large carnivores. That was his take, that was his main thrust really. There is a branch of it called eco-vegan rewilding which is more where I'm at which is more like the vegan land movement you know which is purchasing land or setting aside land that would otherwise be used for agriculture and
Conflicts with Vegan Ethics
00:06:41
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letting nature just do its thing, nothing, getting introduced artificially or taken away or culled or anything, just literally being left. That also gets called passive rewilding. So there's there's a school of thought that talks about active rewilding, where things are planted, where animals are released that haven't lived in an area for a while. That's active rewilding. And there's passive rewilding, which is more like the vegan land movement.
00:07:11
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where an expansive land is just left to recover its own health after being abused for however long by humans. Yeah, absolutely. it's And and that the the the benefits of us just ah staying out of things are there to be that to be seen, aren't they? So, I mean, we've we've we've touched on it already. that There can be controversy grey areas or kind of I don't know, overlapping ideologies I suppose within rewilding. Obviously on vegan talk we're going to look at where things come up in ah in a vegan sphere and kind of vegan questions with regards to this. I mean to get the ball rolling a really obvious example of where rewilding is not
00:07:55
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at something that is congruent with a vegan philosophy would be the Nep estate. They are based in Sussex and you don't have to go far on their website before you get to the shop our wild range meat ah section where they talk about their slow-grown wild range meat that's produced organically on there three and a half thousand acre rewilding project. I'm not going to read out all of the horrific things on there but that there is an awful lot of green washing, we could call it rewilding washing if you like, they're talking about how free range the animals are and how they can just go wherever they like and you're thinking
00:08:36
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I'm pretty sure they didn't ask to be killed. I don't think that bit was consensual, was it now? But there are clear examples there where as as vegans we would say, well, no, I'm not down with that. I mean, do we have other examples that that jump out that are maybe a bit more sort of grey area ah or the things that people might not have sort of seen behind the veil with?
00:08:58
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I think with any rewilding project though, we absolutely, before we support it with our volunteering time or our money or or even just liking it on Facebook, you know, endorsing it in any way, we need to do our due diligence on it.
00:09:16
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and not just take it at face value and go, oh, that's a good thing because that is irresponsible. Because the problem with rewilding is it's a human concept. And where you have human beings, you are always going to have an element likely, unless it's been run by vegans. If it's not run by vegans, animal rights are not going to be at the heart of this and there is likely to be human greed, sadly, arrogance and selfishness going on, whether it's kind of outwardly noticeable or not. But we can all think of zoo operators and trophy hunters
00:09:57
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who are in habit in the conservation sphere and advocates of animal exploitation in the, not naming any names, animal prevention of cruelty world. And there are hunters hanging out in the so-called wildlife management world People will control, will kill, will manipulate and commodify animals for their own gain. And some rewilding projects are just that. They they are they might be doing something superficially beneficial for certain numbers of certain animals.
00:10:40
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but it's still completely speciesist and it's still the humans deciding and, you know, controlling things. And we've already messed things up. So, you know, if you had some surgery done by a surgeon who left you very much worse off and then he said, or she said, I tell you what, do you know what, I'll i'll have another go.
00:11:05
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How would you feel? so yeah could Could you give some specific examples, Julie? I really enjoyed the way in which you you you framed that, talking in general terms, but what what sort of specific things could organisations or individuals be doing that would be against what we might call an animal rights perspective, but it done and in the name of rewilding?
00:11:31
Speaker
Oh my goodness! Well, where to start with this one? You could be talking about humans making up the numbers that they see fit for grey squirrels to be exterminated, for the the ability supposedly of red squirrels to proliferate, you know, that so squirrel culling. I think they might be called nature watch.
00:11:57
Speaker
I think it's them. They've got a project where they'll they will give volunteers traps to kill grey squirrels. So that a there are a number of rewilding projects that I've read about in Scotland where deer will be routinely culled because they are eating trees. So rather than guard the tree against the deer, they will kill them. Even this whole concept of reintroducing species of animal, you might think, oh well that's nice because there used to be animals certain places and we will put them back. And what's not vegan about that? Well I will tell you what's not vegan about that.
00:12:42
Speaker
Where are these animals coming from? Are they being bred in captivity? Are they getting farmed for this? You know, people are making money. They are selling animals to do rewilding with. They're already, any time they're in to do animals, they'll be human beings making money out of it. And if if an area used to have animals on it an extremely long time ago, who is to say that it is habitable, that it's healthy, that it's sustainable for those animals to survive there, you know, and who's to say it's fair to transport an animal and just plonk it down with others, you know what I mean? So there's some islands in Scotland, Antony, that m haven't been inhabited for ah ages, but We could put people on there. We'll just pluck you out of, you know, where you live and just drop you off with some total strangers. And, um you know, there used to be folk on these islands in Scotland, so you'll be fine. And we'll put a house builder out there. Hopefully he'll be able to sort someone out for you. You know, it's still the humans being in charge, you know, moving the animals around like chess pieces. you There's too many here and there's not enough here. and We'll do that. We'll do that.
00:13:56
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We don't know. We don't know what's best and we will make huge mistakes and it's the animals that will suffer. I like your humble attitude Julie because we don't know what's best. We don't, we have got no flipping idea really.
Challenges and Ethical Concerns
00:14:12
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I blame Capability Brown for all his flipping...
00:14:17
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Landscaping, you know, man doesn't want to step back. Man cannot help but be trying to organise everything, you know. We can take that view in terms of, ah it it it can be philosophical and and also it can be practical as well. We can say, no, no, no.
00:14:36
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like Julie's surgeon example, you know, we've messed this up, its it was it was fine before, let's let it write itself. From a pragmatic point of view, that there are going to be times where we perhaps can't just let things lie or... ah I don't know, I'm struggling to think of a and they a particular example here. i'm i'm Well, I'm thinking of um badges near me or near where I work that used to be very prevalent and um we've heard that network rail are very unhappy with badges because they will do lots of digging underneath rails that will that will damage the the railway lines and I've heard of examples of that with sort of historical railway lines that that aren't actually used anymore so they're sort of tourist attractions
00:15:28
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and them I thought would be well the badges were there first let's just you know slack off this um historical railway line never mind um I know a few people will be quite upset by that but you know come on we shouldn't be just killing badges for this but actually if it's really damaging like I don't know some human infrastructure or I don't know it it can become a bit grey can't it?
00:15:53
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That is, that's very hard, isn't it? I mean, I don't know. I think that's a really mean question. so You don't have to answer it. You don't have to answer it. But like, it's it's not always damaging infrastructure in that way. Hopefully, they could be safely caught and perhaps moved to a place where there aren't badgers. I don't know how Julie would feel about that, but and certainly there's you know there's plenty of animals that have been have escaped or deliberately you know brought in from other countries and let loose, like the grey squirrels, for example.
00:16:33
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Like Muntjack, for example, they're everywhere and now. I mean, yeah. and I guess people say they the the gray squirrels damaged trees that the the deer damage trees and stuff. And what do we do when there isn't a natural predator there to take care of them?
00:16:55
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and And how do we feel about, and oh Julie, obviously, you well, maybe I'm putting words in your mouth, but you're perhaps not so happy about introducing. I quite like the idea of going out for a walk in the woods and maybe not wondering if I'm going to be coming back because I might be a wolf or something back of wolves. I don't know.
00:17:17
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I think, I don't know, it's just very difficult. The trouble is a lot of these projects and they're just, in and my humble opinion, they're just on such very tiny bits of land that really they need to be on a much bigger scale and you might get more of a balance coming in but with with different creatures. I don't know, it's just fraught, isn't it? But what makes me cross is when a certain rewilders, they say, well, we're mimicking the ancient herbivores by bringing in the cows and we're acting as the, we're mimicking the predators by eating them, you know, so, and kind of
00:17:59
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you know and then And then saying because you know this is the best way of of kind of increasing biodiversity and so um sequestering CO2, but we know that's all a load of old rubbish and um you know and they're producing tons of methane and stuff. so I don't know there's a lot of green washing and I do know of some people who with the best intentions have been taken in completely by that and say well this is this is so called good meat you know not there's any such a thing as we know but it's uh it is fraught and also you know I want to I can't remember I think that was the farm you you um pointed out Anthony is it the net castle one I think to that is it them that keeps bees as well and saying I'm sure they do. they they and Nothing surprises me from that particular organisation.
00:18:51
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I mean, even from the biodiversity point of view, honeybees are disastrous because they put extra pressure on the natural insects and and the natural native bees. I don't know, there's there's a lot of issues. And yeah like i um I've said before, you know the um yeah and and issues with all these other um animals that have escaped,
00:19:21
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You've got the mink in the rivers, which they are trapping and shooting. And you know there there are I think there's is it a type of crab that is in the banks of some of the rivers as well, which is destroying the banks. There's a whole load of of creatures that, what do we do about them? What do we do about them?
Focus on Human Overpopulation
00:19:44
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Perhaps we let the crabs destroy the river of banks and we'll just have to them flooding in a lovely natural um environment and it won't matter so much if we're not eating a ton of animals and having to produce a ton of
00:19:58
Speaker
food to feed the animals that we are then feeding to human beings so it won't matter so much. I don't know. I want to add in as well this nonsense argument that really winds me up when people say things like, oh we need to have the carnivores back because the deer or whatever it is animal they want to reduce the numbers of doesn't have a natural predator anymore so we want to bring in a predator for it This makes me sigh because I'm not Einstein or even brainy, but I just think, yeah. So you bring in a next layer of the food chain and then you're going to be whining that that doesn't have a predator either. So then where do you stop you, Egypt? You know, I mean, it's so short-sighted. So whatever you introduce artificially, if it survives, and that's a big if,
00:20:54
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At what point does it get too numerous for your taste and you start flipping well, culling that? animal, you know? If there is a species that is doing damage and needs to be controlled, there's only one species that we should be taking responsibility for and it's our own one, really. That's the only one we should be worrying about and and trying to modify the activities of, never mind the animals. and We are the ones that are overpopulated and we are the ones that are wrecking more than riverbanks.
00:21:31
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there is There is an example though of, was it in the Netherlands? I think Anthony, you might have shared it with us, where they they introduced herbivores and they became so populated that about 30% of them were dying over the winter because there wasn't enough food to sustain them. So I don't know how, do some herbivores need their populations controlling and how we how do we do that?
00:22:00
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because you know otherwise yeah it can lead to more suffering for them perhaps i mean in the future maybe i don't know sorry i'm getting myself in the right old pickle because you know is it vegan to control animals populations no i would say so and I would say they'll do their own regulating. In a more humane way though, if they they could be found a more humane way, would that be vegan? I think like if if if that if the whole world was eating plant-based and there were no circuses and blah blah blah, then but this is just my opinion.
00:22:43
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then starting to look at, well, what, you you know, and then, and human suffering is, you know, there's no war, there's no child poverty, there's blah, blah, blah. Then starting to look at, oh, do you know what, there are these ruminant herbivores that, ah you know, if we were to intervene slightly, we might be able to make their lives have slightly less suffering involved.
00:23:05
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that there might there might be an argument for doing that, but I just don't think it kind of registers on my sort of list of priorities. I just kind of feel like we don't understand how they operate anyway. You know, if there isn't enough food to go round, these animals won't be fertile, they won't produce young, you know, they will modify their own behavior in such a way, although wander off somewhere else and get some food or whatever. So, yeah, I i think we just as far as possible, we've done enough damage, we just let them be. We cannot return the land anywhere to how it was before we messed it up because
00:23:48
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the land changes of its own accord anyway. So what point in history are we going to choose? Species come and go, it's part of the way the world is, you know? So we can't just pick a fictitious kind of, oh well, you know, because we don't know, we weren't even there, you know?
Misunderstandings and Ethical Scrutiny
00:24:07
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We cannot control these things adequately and we shouldn't even try to, I don't think.
00:24:14
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It does, Matt, I'm glad you said that, Julian, in terms of like this this sort of like nostalgia, I think, that that creeps into some some rewilding, and its I think it's just a slight misconception of ah what the point of it is. like We can look back and say, look, nature is pretty good,
00:24:36
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ah ah Doing stuff it came this far and then sort of organized quote human civilization has sort of messed with it and caused xyz problems but the solution isn't to go back to what it was before it's just we'll leave it alone it's actually quite good is quite effective.
00:24:55
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it's sorting itself out. I'm not against people dressing up and and pretending it's medieval times or, you know, I live near Worcester and people do re-enactments there for the Civil War and that that's fine. if you If you want to long for nostalgia, do it like that. But I think this kind of like manipulative wave of doing it with regards to nature and animals is some is, yeah, that's not okay. ah I wonder what what what would be our sort of cause to action then?
00:25:21
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for for listeners in terms of what things do we need to be wary of, do we think, as as vegans with regards to to rewilding, rewilding projects? Because i I think it's fair to say there are lots of rewilding projects that we would want to be promoted and and supported. And indeed, you know we've done an episode on the vegan land movement, for example. So it's not complete like standing back and saying, no, no, no, this isn't something to be involved with.
00:25:51
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I think do your homework and just double check that you are not supporting, and as I saw some vegans doing inadvertently recently, a rewilding project that was actually really just a front for something called Sustainable Venison. It was basically deer farming by another name, you know, and they were all over it going, hey, come on everybody, you know, we're supporting this, come on. You're like, no, no, no, no, no.
00:26:20
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But do you know what? In a way as well, rewilding is quite an extreme in some ways response. It's not scalable. We can't do it on a large scale because we do need to farm and grow food to feed ourselves. You know, we do need to have places to live and all the rest of it. So we can't rewild everywhere.
00:26:44
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But and to that extent that it's untouched and that it's you know devoid of human whatever, it sort of presents. But in terms of a call to action as well as doing your homework on any rewielding project that gets thrust at you on social media or asks for your money or your volunteer time or whatever,
00:27:06
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we can all, I believe, as individuals, rewild ourselves a bit more and make sure that our would impact on our immediate environment and the wider world is lessened. So there's kind of, it's all very well having this field that's left all overgrown and all the little bees and things are buzzing around and right over the fence there is a great big multiplex or a big you know so factory farm or you know something like that.
00:27:43
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It doesn't compensate, do you know what I mean? But if we are ourselves reducing our reliance on these things that are damaging the environment in the first place and helping other people to see the light on those, we can have a sort of moderate rewilding effect on our own lives and those that we communicate with And hopefully just, it's a bit like you were saying earlier, Anthony, we don't need a zoo with rhinos in it and cumbria as beautiful as it is. So if we lived a bit more naturally and a bit wilder our ourselves and encouraged other people to do the same, then great big expanses of the countryside we didn't be getting
00:28:28
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ploughed up and built on in big flamingo land parks and you know things getting built in the first place. So it's about kind of looking at your own lifestyle I think and also talking to your own council when they are looking for aim approval for plans for things going on in your area as well and opposing them and if they're wanting to put a mega farm down the road from you or whatever it is.
00:28:57
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Or just gen generally, like it it it doesn't have to be to do with animal agriculture. like I really like what you were saying there, Julie. And and and it made me think of of things actually that we inadvertently do and and support that have actually quite recently displaced nature. One of my pet peeves is when you know when I'm going for a run somewhere or um I'm visiting a friend or whatever.
00:29:22
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and you look at the house, ah the street names, and it's like Fox Avenue, Grasshopper Drive, and I think you've you've named the road names after the nature that you've displaced. Like, how sick is that? Like, just name name them after famous authors or something, but like this sort of like, oh, we love badges, so we'll call it Badger Close, even though we've probably systematically displaced loads of badges recently. Gosh, that that just really boils my blood.
00:29:51
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Yeah, that should be there should be a housing estate named Gas Rabbit a Estate or something where I am, you know, honestly. I think that might affect the house prices. We can't have that. You reckon, yeah. I'd like to say, as vegans... we're already doing an amazing job towards rewilding. We really, really are, because we're not contributing to the biggest problem of all, which is you know um animal farming. And actually, if we everybody went plant-based in this country, I won't say vegan, but if everybody went plant-based, then we could rewild. In theory, 75% of the land
00:30:37
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which is huge. And okay, maybe some of it would be, you know, orchards and some of it would be other other things. But, you know, 75% is massive. So um I think all we can do in in trying to promote ah veganism, promote plant-based, you know, I hate to say it but even people becoming more flexitarian, they're still on, they're on a journey, you know, umm ah just anything like that is going to help biodiversity because that's what we're talking about with, we're like one of the, well we are the the most
00:31:18
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the the the least biodiverse country in Europe, you know, we're absolutely dreadful. So we've got to do something about that.
Veganism's Role in Supporting Rewilding
00:31:28
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And I do get excited about it. You know, i mean i i I think the whole thing is wonderful. Yes, we're not aligned to quite a few of the people within this movement.
00:31:40
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But, you know, I guess it's up to us to hold others to a camp and speak up for the animals. I'd add to what you've said there, Kate, in terms of like the percentage of land that can be rewilded from just eating plant-based food. If you take that a step further and you say, well, I'm i'm vegan as well actually, so I'm against all animal use and exploitation.
00:32:01
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brilliant book that I think I've mentioned on the pod before called Who Owns England, um written by Guy Schrumm-Sole, I think his name is, and documents, amongst many other things, just how much land is used rearing birds to be shot. um And there's ah there's a an area within a mile of where I live that is exclusively for that. So if you put that in the equation too, that drives that number up even more. So the the more we avoid animal use, the that the more of the wonderful world that we live in can be can be wild. Great points, absolutely, yes. If you want to read his latest book, The Lie of the Land, that is also brilliant and it covers some of the points that we've been talking about and also he refers to the Eustanglian fens which were drought drowned. They were drained!
00:32:56
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Quite the opposite. Sadly, that was a fantastic ecosystem and it was drained by greedy land owners who kind of lived around the outskirts, some of whom their relatives were also involved in.
00:33:11
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introducing grey squirrels and munchack deer. So um we can blame them. But yeah, it's just fascinating talking about rewetting the areas which should be marshland, e etc. And just how much carbon that was sequester and all the life that that would bring back. So and yeah, that's another really good book. That would give you fewer places to run though locally, I would have thought Kate, if the ah fens were to be flooded again. I'm not as near to them as you think. I've got to run about 15, 60 miles before I get to them. Fair enough. fair enough My nanny would be in trouble though, just outside Peterborough. Anyway.
00:33:56
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00:34:32
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really interesting stuff. I think it's a topic we're going to be hearing more and more about. You mentioned a new book from Guy Shrops, okay. I've seen more and more books on this sort of stuff in book shops when I'm looking around and there's one called Trespass that I need to finish too. Interesting stuff. Thank you Julie. Thank you Kate for your contributions. Thanks everyone for listening to today's show.
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you might have things that you want to tell us about rewilding. In fact, we've got a listener mail bag show coming up in o a few weeks time and there's already one listener question about something like this. Enough of the falafel at gmail dot.com is the place to get hold of us.
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We do have a TikTok account and a Facebook and Instagram, but to be honest, we don't really use it. so Use that email address if you want to get hold of us for rewilding questions, thoughts, comments, or in indeed anything else vegan or animal rights related. Or putting me right on whatever I've been blathering on about, yeah. So anyway, thanks everybody. and So the next episode of Enough of the Falafel is coming out and it's available on Monday the 20th of January and it's our vegan week episode.
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which will be our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news. And that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you Kate and Anthony for all your contributions. Thanks again everyone for listening. I've been Julie and you've been listening to vegan talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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This has been an Enough of the Falafel production. We hear just a normal bunch of everyday vegans putting our voices out there. The show is hosted by Zencaster. We use music and special effects by zapsplat.com and sometimes if you're lucky at the end of an episode you'll hear a poem by Mr. Dominic Berry. Thanks all for listening and see you next time.
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