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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Iowa & Kansas
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The summer road trip continues, a day late (sorry!) - and today we are passing through Iowa & Kansas.
First Stop Iowa (2:10 - 37.00) Faith is taking us on a camping trip in the Gitchie Manitou Preserve that takes a horrid & unexpecting turn. This story shows that no matter your age, you can always do the right thing because you are a survivor!
Next Kansas (39:22 - 1:02:03) Lisa is telling us the story of Craig Kahler and how is controlling ways destroyed his family.
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Have a FANTASTIC summer and we'll talk to you soon!
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Transcript
Intro Mishap and Humor
00:00:04
Speaker
Well, hello and welcome to Twisted Tales. I can't do the intro anymore. She lost her privileges because she can't speak full sentences. I'm sorry. Thanks for tuning in. This is Faith. This is Lisa. And you're listening to Twisted Tales.
The Chuck Norris Snake Tale
00:00:19
Speaker
And I would like to start out tonight because Lisa made fun of the Anaconda of East Tennessee. Oh my God. That was in my house. And I don't know if any of you have gone to see the video.
00:00:28
Speaker
But I went to pick up my child at aftercare today because I put her in summer school. I'm that mom. And the, one of the directors of the daycare ran out and she was like, Oh my God, was that in your house? And I was like, yeah. Yeah. She was like, I gotta hear the whole story. So I tell her the whole story, everything that happened, coffee on the ceiling, me and hyperventilating.
00:00:48
Speaker
And she said, look me in the eyeballs, Lisa. Look me in the eyeballs. She said, you know, that was like the Chuck Norris of snakes. Boom. Yes, it was. Yes, it freaking was. It was the Chuck Norris of snakes. It was huge. The Chuck Norris of snakes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're the Chuck Norris of exaggeration. So anyway, that's what I was told today. And I was like, yes. Justification.
00:01:14
Speaker
Well done, Faith. Well done. One person on this green, green earth of ours. Rock, paper, scissors, rock, paper, scissors, cut. Rock, paper, scissors, cut. Come on. Why are you saying rock, paper, scissors, cut? I don't know.
00:01:34
Speaker
Rock, paper, scissors, cut. Oh shoot. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Dang it. Oh, I got it. I'm a winner. Face up. I wouldn't go that far. But you did beat me in the rock, paper, scissors, cut game. Listen, it's the only good thing I've accomplished today. Okay. Today's been crap. I can celebrate rock, paper, scissors winning. I'm sorry. Rock, paper, scissors, cut. All right. Well,
00:02:05
Speaker
I have got a tail for you, my friend.
Gitchi Montu's Dark History
00:02:07
Speaker
I look forward to it. Today's summer road trip. We're going to Iowa. Oh, uh, just before you get started, if anybody hears any random laughing in the back, my friend, Destiny is sitting with us tonight. I told her she could talk, but she's pretty quiet until she gets to know you, but she's had some libations. What is, what is she going to get to know the microphone? Could be, could be. All right. Sorry. All right. So, okay. We are in Iowa tonight, starting out in Iowa.
00:02:34
Speaker
And I am going to tell you some, some like diehard true primers may already know this story, but you know, it's freaking good. And it, well, okay, it's horrible, but you know, anyway, long story short, here we go. And I'm going to butcher some of these names. Just, we know it's going to happen.
00:02:57
Speaker
Sorry. All right. The Gitchi Mautu State Preservation is a 91 acre natural habitat in the northeastern corner of Iowa, nestled right near the South Dakota border. This natural slice of land is, I mean, it really is absolutely beautiful. It's got running streams. It's got trails to hike through the forest. It's got plains for you to camp at.
00:03:22
Speaker
And it's all tucked away into this little spot with a small little sign and a gravel parking lot that if you don't know where you're going, you're basically going to miss it. So this, this partial of land, the first half of it, 91 acres today, like the first 45 acres was purchased in 1916. And it was going to be a quarry and it was a quarry and in the pictures, which I'll post,
00:03:45
Speaker
You can see these huge large outcrops of rocks shooting through the landscape. Like even the stream has got these huge shoots. It's beautiful. It was eventually transferred to the Board of Conservation. And you see, here's the thing about this land though. When the state of Iowa purchased this land, they used the word purchase.
00:04:06
Speaker
Now there's not a lot of information, but I'm gonna guess it wasn't. In other words, the natives were probably slaughtered. Yes. The moon that I always said was a mutual agreement because this preserve was a Native American burial ground for generations. Oh, okay. That is not something that I feel like they would sell. That is very sacred ground to them. And I, I'm not even gonna attempt to say the tribe because it's a lot of, it's a lot of vowels and I know. I would mess it up.
00:04:35
Speaker
But it actually gets its name, the Gitchi Montu is translated from the Native American tongue to mean the great spirit. So that's the structural land. It's got a very dark history, that being said. And so as you walk around today on the ground, not knowing which tribe's ancestors are buried beneath your feet, there is said to be a feeling of unease or like you're being watched, commonly reported. Right.
00:05:03
Speaker
But it does make the perfect place for teenagers to go camping and tell each other ghost stories because it's just this creepy like they said like you can feel it like it's beautiful in the day but at night it's just very foreboding and oppressive almost.
The 1973 Murder Mystery
00:05:20
Speaker
So that's where we're at. On Sunday, November 18th, 1973, a young couple decided to take a little Sunday drive through the preserve. They were just going to relax, talk,
00:05:33
Speaker
So as they're driving, they notice something in the distance. It's kind of weird. They can't really tell what it is. But as they get closer, they can clearly make out that there are three bodies lying in the tall grass covered in blood. They are dead. They were all young boys. Young how? We're fixing to get there. When the police get there to view the crime scene, they see all three young men lying dead have been shot close range.
00:06:01
Speaker
head, neck, chest, even the hand. The bodies are close to the campsite, but when they go to investigate, they actually find their campsite, the dead fire, the camping gear, and that's where they find the fourth body of another young man killed by a shotgun. So the bodies are taken to the morgue, and it does not take long to identify them as Roger Estman, who's 14 years old. Michael, who went by Mike,
00:06:31
Speaker
Hardrath, who is 15 years old, Dana Bad, who is 14 years old, and his older brother, Stuart Bad, who is 17 years old and was the chaperone. Their families were quickly notified of the boy's murder and understandably they're devastated, but also they don't understand.
00:06:52
Speaker
These four boys were good kids. They made good grades. They didn't skip school. They didn't get in fights. No one had a bad thing to say. They weren't disciplinary problems. They were good kids. Why would anyone want to kill literally these four kids?
00:07:13
Speaker
And this is another reason why I hate the outdoors. If you're inside these, I mean, they can happen, but yeah. But not safe anywhere. But can you imagine if you let your son with his two cousins go camping, like in a little thing that's like five miles from your house and the next morning this is the call you get? No, but I don't think that I would ever let my 14 year old go camping. I'm a hover mom. Yeah, I will be a hover mom till the day I die. So the van the boys took
00:07:40
Speaker
is a light blue van and it belongs to Stewart, and it is missing as well. So the police figured if they find the van, they could find the murderer. And yes, I said murderer's plural. When the medical examiner report came back, all four boys were killed with shotgun wings, but from different guns. Three different guns, to be exact. There is a 12-gauge shotgun, 16-gauge, and a 20-gauge.
00:08:10
Speaker
OK. So there's at least three different perpetrators. So that's shooting like children. And that's all the police know. There's at least three individuals involved, maybe more. And that's literally the only stitch of evidence they have
Sandra Chesky's Survival Story
00:08:24
Speaker
to go on. There was no there was no evidence at the crime scene. So the families have no clue what could you could have done this. None of them have dark secrets. None of them have like any hidden like little skeletons in their closet. There's nothing. They have nothing. Right. So frustrations are super high.
00:08:41
Speaker
The police started to complete dead end with nothing to go on. And then it's like out of the blue. The Sioux Falls Police Department calls them and this conversation changes everything that I've told you. The officer on the phone tells the investigators, I've got a story, this is what just happened, and you're not gonna believe it, but this is what just happened. A young girl walked into the police department alone.
00:09:10
Speaker
walked very slowly to the desk. I'm sure there was hesitation with every single step, probably tremors in her hands. And she reached the desk and identified herself as 13 year old Sandra Chesky. And something horrible happened on Saturday night while she and her friends were camping at the kitchen mountain preserve. So she was with the boys 13 years old. Now she was with the boys. Yep. I'm going to stop right here real quick.
00:09:37
Speaker
I'm just trigger warning. Okay. This story sucks. Don't break. Okay. It's brutal. Um, Julia, I'm gonna say the note. Obviously I just said that the story I'm about to tell the girl who's going to be telling most of the story is 13 years old. The details she are about to give is horrific and descriptive. And I'm going to say her exact words and what, what was the least you're sensitive. Feel free to skip ahead.
00:10:04
Speaker
Also, with that trigger warning, I'm gonna caution the following. She is 13 years old. She has been through trauma. Your brain does things to help you cope. So if there's parts of all she's talking that you're like, what the heck? She's 13 years old. So let's remember that while we react. Just put that out there for everyone. All right, so Sandra was a typical 13 year old girl who just about a month and a half prior
00:10:34
Speaker
met and fell in love. And she is that typical third, it's the romance every middle schooler wants. The one where you know it's the one, you're gonna marry this boy. She met Roger Essim at a drive-in movie theater and they started talking and it was just love at first sight for both of them. That puppy love set in and they started going steady just pretty much immediately.
00:10:56
Speaker
So it was only natural that when a camping trip was planned with Roger and his friends, he invited Sandy to come along. Sandy to come along. They're all friends at this point. She's spending all her time with these boys. So detectives asked Sandra, walk us through the events of the night. What happened? And this is what she tells them. She and the boys piled into Stewart's blue van and drove out to the preserve around 10.30 at night. Pause. I am not victim shaming at all. And I am sure.
00:11:25
Speaker
because family members are still alive. You can't do everything to infect your kids. There is no way my 13-year-old daughter is going camping with four boys at 10.30 at night. Just four teenage boys. And there's no way my teenage boy would be going camping without me or their daddy. Especially you ain't leaving at 10.30 at night. Now, this was the 70s. It was a different time. It was. It was a different time. So I will give you that. And that isn't victim shaming. That's your opinion.
00:11:49
Speaker
It is an opinion and it was the 70s and back then that stuff was. Except when I was little we used to do stuff like that all the time. Now, no way in heck. No. But anyway, I digress. They brought typical camping gear items. They brought, you know, their camping bags, sleeping bags, a guitar, and you know, small amount of weed. The 70s after all. It is the 70s. So the group was excited sitting around the campfire singing songs, passing around the joint and Sandra was cozied in Roger's arms having just the best night.
00:12:19
Speaker
The group had been there about 30 minutes, no one was tired, no one was planning on sleeping. They were gonna stay up late talking, playing games, just whatever. However, those 30 minutes were about all the fun that they were gonna have that night. About 30 minutes in, they're all sitting there, and they start to hear noises in the woods surrounding, even over the guitar, which goes silent. They get to hear just the branches rustling around, and then they start hearing leaves shuffling
00:12:49
Speaker
and then distinctive twigs snapping. Why didn't they leave? They all get quiet and they're listening to someone approaching who's now, all they hear is the crackling fire and these footprints, these footsteps in the background. And as the footsteps gets closer and closer, and with them right in front of the fire, they were on full display to whatever voyeur is in the woods, but they can see nothing but darkness and shadows out past them.
00:13:20
Speaker
The footsteps have stopped, but they feel like they're kind of close.
Catching the Friar Brothers
00:13:24
Speaker
So Roger yells out first with Sandra in his arms, hey, who's there? Is anybody out there? But just silence. So he leans down, gives Sandra a kiss on the temple, and says, I'm going to be right back. So he gets up and starts to walk to the wards about three or four steps where he thought the steps were coming from. And before he says anything, before he does anything,
00:13:50
Speaker
all of a sudden a loud shotgun rings through the air and Roger falls on his face on the ground. Okay. So all the friends are on the fire at this point or leap up. Their alarms are confused. They don't know what happened, but panic is quick seconds. So Mike pushes Sandra behind a tree where she literally lays on the ground and covers her head. And the next thing she hears
00:14:15
Speaker
is another gunshot cracking through the air and Stewart screaming, I'm shot, I'm shot. So Sandra looks up and at this point, three men appear from the inky blackness. She described them as a heavy set man, a short man and a tall slender man who all stood there holding shotgun. The tall thin man referred to himself as the boss and he put his guns up and he said, everybody put your hands up.
00:14:44
Speaker
You're busted. The boss went on to explain that these three men are narcotics agents who watched them smoking weed and they're busted and they're going to jail. So skepticism is pretty high with the boys. They're not in uniform. There's no badges. They just shot two kids in front of them. And it's the 70s, but is that really how narcotics officers are going to handle a little bit of weed?
00:15:14
Speaker
But they don't know, they're literally 13, 14, 15. Sandra is 13 and she believes them and quickly puts her hands up. I'm up, I'm up. So Mike, the 15 year old, is not convinced and says, what the hell do you think you're doing? Well, one of the men extends his gun towards Mike and Mike holds out his hands as another shotgun blast goes through the air and Mike just screams out in pain as his hand is just
00:15:43
Speaker
A shotgun. Yes, she obliterated. Yeah. The officers instruct the teams to start walking up the trail. Mike, Dana and Sandra start to follow the officers up the trail, leaving Roger and Stewart lying face down by the fire. The group ends up at a parking lot where the blue van is parked and next to it is an old pickup truck. Once they get there, the boss tells Sandra, go get in the truck. She does. He gets in the truck and he drives off with her.
00:16:13
Speaker
Sandra said that they drove for just an eternity and her mind is racing and she doesn't know what happens because the cops are supposed to be safe and she just doesn't understand. The boss is very talkative and he ends up explaining everything to her. Her friends are fine. All the shotguns that they heard, all the shells were just tranquilizer darts.
00:16:38
Speaker
And they knocked them out. That's why they automatically fell. They were narcotics agents and they're just trying to teach the kids a lesson. You don't need to be doing drugs. Basically scare them straight. Kids are fine. They'll wake up tomorrow, probably a little groggy. And he, um, so Sandra's immediately relieved because her boyfriend was the first shot. And so the officers said, you just need to listen. You need to, you need to answer all my questions honestly. And then we'll take you home. No big deal.
00:17:07
Speaker
I'm not even going to tell your parents about you smoking the weed. So at this point, Sandra is calming down. The officer just, she said he continues to talk for about an hour as they're driving through the forest until he finally, he pulls the truck off onto this property where there's a really old farm house with white peeling paint and broken windows. But more importantly,
00:17:31
Speaker
and more wonderfully there sits Stewart's blue van with her friends waiting on her inside and everything's going to be okay. They pull up next to the van and Sandra's a little nervous as boss puts the truck apart and tells her you need to stay here. He walks over to the two officers waiting on them. I really don't like her just going. The three officers continue to have a conversation amongst themselves. Windows are up. She can't hear them but they're they keep kind of glancing over their shoulder at her.
00:17:58
Speaker
And it's at this point as they continue to talk into teeny glance, Sandra does not feel good. Her stomach hurts, she's queasy, something's wrong. The officers break apart and the heavyset officer starts to approach the truck. He opens the door, he grabs her and then brutally rapes her. Wow, okay. When they're done with her, the boss puts her back in the truck and asks Sandra, give me your home address.
00:18:24
Speaker
So she gives it to him and surprisingly, he drives her straight to her home where he drops her off around 4 a.m. And as she starts to put her foot down, he says, if you ever tell anyone about tonight, I'm going to come back and I'm going to effing kill you. Wow. And he has her address. And he's at her. He's in her driveway. So Sandra waited till morning. She's she's crying. She's upset. She's just been brutalized.
00:18:54
Speaker
calls her boyfriend, Roger, because she just needs to talk to him. She needs to explain that she didn't. That was not her choice. It was taken from her. She just wants him to know she's sorry, go over the nights, figure out what happened. Roger never answered. So this is what prompted Sandra, 13 year old girl to walk into the police station because she feared the worst. And the worst is what's confirmed after she finishes telling the police, her boyfriend and her three friends are dead.
00:19:23
Speaker
They were not hit with tranquilizers. Oh my gosh. They are the boys that were found in the field. They were murdered the night before and she is the only survivor of what happened. Sandra did her best to give full descriptions of all three men, sat down to sketch artists. Names were never mentioned though. It was literally the only one who called anything was the one that said, I'm the boss. So that's all she could do. A protection detail was immediately assigned to the girl because the murderers knew where she lived.
00:19:53
Speaker
She obviously went directly to the police department, ignoring their orders, so they're going to protect her. Investigators were able to identify the make and model of the truck based off Sanders' description, but that's literally the only thing they have to go on. A late model Chevy picked up. Three men who murdered four children in innocent blood took the girls innocent, and that's all they've got.
The Trial and Sandra's Testimony
00:20:17
Speaker
By Monday morning, the news has gotten wind of this story, and it's everywhere.
00:20:23
Speaker
It's being broadcasting the surrounding areas, the brutal murder of these four children. Everyone's scared. However, it does help because by that Monday afternoon, Stewart's blue van is found in a Sioux fall, just trucking parking lots, just sitting there. So the police immediately go to this van, but after going through the fine tooth home, there's nothing. There's no fingerprints. There's no blood. There's no hair. There's nothing to help.
00:20:53
Speaker
So the police start back at square one again with nothing, and they make the decision to call Sandra back again, thinking that if they can find the farmhouse she was assaulted in, they can find some kind of evidence to find something. She's 13. She's 13. So based off the amount of time she was in the car, they try to determine where from the preserve it could be. They design the grid, and they assign officers to each portion of the grid to drive through the woods.
00:21:22
Speaker
and try to find this white farmhouse. As Thanksgiving approach, there's nothing. There's no news. There's nothing. Farmhouse has not been found. The pickup truck has not been spotted. The townspeople are feeling more and more unsafe as their kids are out of school and running around. The pressure on the police department becomes heavier and heavier every day that literally nothing happened.
00:21:46
Speaker
So the officers even take to daily driving Sandra around through the preserve to see if there's anything that she sees, anything that she could remember anything that she can help remember anything. That's a brave 13 year old. Yep. But as Thanksgiving comes, there's nothing. And Sandra spent that holiday without her boyfriend, without her best friends and had officers strategically surrounding her house with loaded shotgun to protect her and her family as they caused her Thanksgiving. Wow.
00:22:17
Speaker
because there was nothing that could be found. November 29, 1973, Sandra went out again with officers to try, as she had done over and over and over again. But the problem is, everything's familiar. Every tree is blending into the tree before. They've driven every trail. They've been through every stream. Everything's exactly the same, and Sandra has lost all hope at this point.
00:22:42
Speaker
But as they continue to drive in the distance, she thinks she sees a house. She thinks she knows where she's at. And as they drive there, there it is. It's got the broken windows. It's the peeling paint. And so she just starts screaming. That's it. That's it. That's the farmhouse. It's a farmhouse. There it is. There it is. She saw before the police officers even did. So the investigation pulls over and the cops all get out of their cars because they had a couple of, they have different, you know, so they're all just sitting there staring at this house like,
00:23:11
Speaker
It's exactly as she described. Like she painted them a picture of everything that she endured that night and it's everything. So they're literally just standing there like, where do we even start? What do we do? Then out of nowhere, Sandra is blood curdling, screaming and clawing up an officer as she's pointing to the Chevy going down the road going, that's him. That's the boss. That's him. You got to get him. Oh my gosh. So police offer jumps in his car, tears down the road.
00:23:39
Speaker
cuts off the truck, gets out, walks up to the window with his gun pointed at it, says, roll down your window, and looks at the man and said, identify yourself. Who are you? And the guy slumps down and he says, my name's Alan Fry. As she's screaming, that's the boss. That's the boss. That's him. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. So he's immediately taken into custody. And they start to question him. And he keeps, he has no idea what the boss is. There's no idea who she is. He has no idea what they're talking about. And then they start,
00:24:09
Speaker
throwing baseless accusations. He would never do that to a kid. He would never do any of this. He doesn't know what to talk about. Hours the police hammer him. And after hours of the same questions and the same denial, Alan finally, he's worn down and he says, you know what? I was there. It was me and it was my two brothers at the park that night, but I didn't have anything to do with the shooting. I'm honestly, I'm just trying to check my brother.
00:24:38
Speaker
We were going through the forest and here's what, this is the truth, this is the truth story of what happened. So they're going, he and his brothers are going through the forest. They, they come upon these kids, smoking weed and the teenagers all pull out guns on them. These 14 and 15 year olds and they had no chance but to shoot back at these kids. Oh, right, right. Yeah. Cause you know, standard practice. You can imagine how well that story was pleased. It wasn't, but the police know who the villains are.
00:25:08
Speaker
It's Alan, David, and James Fryar, who were three brothers in a family of seven. They were farmers. The three boys were known as troublemakers, even though their four sisters were well-liked, well-known. They were known as liars. I can give you their whole sad background that Daddy was mean to him, stern, and called them the tour boys and made them work on the farms. The three brothers were said to be like a little gang, with Alan being the leader, David being the hothead,
00:25:37
Speaker
and James the youngest being the worst of the three known for his violent streak. It didn't take long for police to locate both of these other brothers to bring them in. David was hiding in his house. I'm going to ask you to hold on to what I'm about to tell you. Just for a minute, let me finish. All right. Because while this isn't the worst part of the story, in my mind, obviously the worst part of the four boys and what Sandra had to listen to,
00:26:07
Speaker
The tragic part of the story is when they find James. James Friar was actually in jail for robbery. That's where they found him. In jail. He was in jail the day of the murder. But he was allowed out of jail that morning for a work release program where he got to get out of jail for the weekend to go on his work release. So the morning of the murders, he was in jail.
00:26:36
Speaker
And mid-morning, he was let out of jail for a work release program. And if he had not been let out of jail, how would this story be different? They didn't even have to hunt him. He was in jail because he returned from his work release weekend after murdering.
00:26:59
Speaker
I don't even like I don't think I've really upset Dusty. She's just made a lot of faces and she's glaring at me now. I don't like this. I don't like, I don't like this. I don't even have an opinion at the moment. Like I'm just trying to like absorb this like a sponge. So November 20th, Sandra is called in to identify both David and James Breyer in a lineup. She takes her time looking at each man down the aisle until she hits David and she identifies him. He was there that night with the gun. He, he shot my friend.
00:27:30
Speaker
continues to go to the next lineup and she gets to James and she said he was there that night. James is the one that raped me. Okay. The one that was let out on the work release program. Do we know what he was in for? Robbery. Gotcha. Okay. Work release guys. Work release. Yeah. I didn't know that when I started this story. I told you the story took me on a really dark path. So,
00:27:57
Speaker
Both men are brought into interrogation and each brother's story starts out with heavy denial. Quickly, every brother starts blaming the other brothers just as Alan has done. The other two, they were just there. However, James is a special piece of crap.
00:28:15
Speaker
He doesn't technically blame his other two brothers. He says that they walked through the forest, stumble across the kids. They joined the kids. They're hanging out. They're all smoking weed. Sandra offered up and wanted to have sex with him in days. Oh my gosh. And her friends and her boyfriend got so mad, they attacked him and they had to defend themselves. But really, Sandra just wanted to be with an older man. This 13 year old girl. That's his, that's his version of the Knights.
00:28:44
Speaker
So after hours of interrogation, the truth does come out. After James is released from prison that morning and his work released, he and his three brothers spent the afternoon poaching deer in the Gitchy Mountain Preserve. That night while in the forest, they heard the teens and saw the fire, smelled the weed. And as they approached, the rest of the night unfolded exactly how Sandra had laid it out. The only thing we don't know is when Sandra got in the car, the truck with the boss,
00:29:14
Speaker
Two of her friends were still alive, right? Dana and the other one. I don't remember. No, Stuart hit Stuart and, I'm sorry, I've got to go back up to the name. Stuart and Roger, so Mike and Dana were down at the van as she gets in the truck to leave. So what she didn't know is that Stuart had not died by the fire. He got up.
00:29:44
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and made his way to his friends by the van. And as Stuart is standing there with them, all of a sudden James and David come out of the van and just shoot each one. Bam, bam, bam. And they're all. Just for no reason. And that's why those three were found in the tall grass at the front of the preserve. And her boyfriend Roger was found by the fire. So. Wow. At this point.
00:30:13
Speaker
All three brothers are waiting to stand trial for the murder of the four boys. And Sandra has been, I think we can all agree, a boss. Right. And she has been very helpful. Um, I'm just going to tell you this out of everything that there's a few things that bother me somewhat as much, but this really bothers me. This little girl was gray. She went by herself to police department to say what happened to her friends and herself.
00:30:43
Speaker
It's in the 70s, so it is a more restrictive time theorem. I mean, she went up against it all. And when the three brothers were waiting trials, she was talking to the DA, she was going to be denied justice because there was not a single rape charge against James. When asked, the district attorney told him they didn't want to deal with a rape charge because first degree murder was enough of a charge and he'd get his sentencing that way. Are you kidding me? That's true story.
00:31:14
Speaker
So while part of her feels a little let down and disappointed, she just wants those three men behind bars. She wants to be safe. She wants a policeman not to be outside her window every night. So on February 12th, 1974, David Fryer pled guilty to the charges against him. He didn't want to go to trial. He's guilty. He pulled the trigger and he killed Stuart bad.
00:31:40
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So the judge sentenced him to life in prison without the possibility of parole, which David replied, no. I'm going to appeal it now. And if the appeal doesn't work, I'll write to the governor myself and say, give me the death penalty. I don't want to live my life in jail. It's not going to bring these people back. I'm not going to spend my life in prison. OK, that's weird. You are, David. You are. Alan and James pled not guilty because they want to take their chance at trial.
00:32:09
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Allen's trial came up first, and Sandra gave a damning testimony, and he didn't stand a chance. He was found guilty, easy peasy, a first degree murder, and sentenced to life in prison. At his trial on June 20th, 1974, Allen was left in the Lyon County Jail to await transportation the next day to the maximum security prison. That night, as Allen awaited, he came up with a little, ooh, scheme.
00:32:39
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He dismantled his bed, found a piece of wire which he used to unscrew the bolts holding him in his cell, found keys, released his brother James, and the two were off into the night. Are you kidding me? So Sandra woke at 8.30 the next morning. 8.30 the next morning is when an officer was making rounds and noticed these cells were empty. The brothers were gone.
00:33:07
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So it is immediate national headlines that the Friar brothers has escaped. There's a manhunt that automatically goes on because everyone knows exactly what they're capable, but no one knows what they're capable more of Sandra, right? Who now is alone again with these two boy, these two, these two brothers out, but police officers have shotguns lining her property and they've already said,
00:33:34
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If you come after dark, you're getting shot. We don't care who you are. Like there will not be a footstep on this property that we are not radioed ahead of time or you're getting shot. No chances. This girl is our top priority. Good. This 13 year old little hero.
00:33:52
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The next morning, much to her relief, the brothers are found in Wyoming and apprehended and back behind bars they go. Just 24 hours of her life, you know, again, and high anxiety. I know, but that sucks for her. It does suck for her. That's why I was being very- I couldn't even, like, imagine just, like, oh, they're dreaming they escaped. Only 20, yeah. I didn't know about that either. I would be terrified 24 hours. This story really took me on an emotional road because I did not think half this crap was gonna happen and I wasn't, I'm not emotionally, it's been a bad week y'all, so. Right. Whoo!
Sandra's Advocacy Journey
00:34:22
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So, Sandra went through all this at 13 years old. James Charles took place next in December 1974. He was also found guilty of first-degree murder and also given life without parole. Now, all three brothers are behind bars. Sandra can breathe, but could she? She is a 13-year-old little girl. She's ashamed. She's embarrassed of what happened that night.
00:34:52
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She has a healthy dose of survivor's guilt. But if those things aren't enough, everything that she lived through, her assailant was not charged with rape, right? So all of a sudden there's these little whispers around town. She was in on it. She was involved. She was an accomplice. She helped them. For the next four years of her life, she never picked her head up.
00:35:18
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For years, she lived her life with fear, anxiety, depression, and she kept her head down. Not knowing if the people around her thought she was accomplished to her friend's murder or not, a 13-year-old little girl whose innocence was lost that night, her friends were taken, brutally raped by a full-grown man, denied the justice that she was deserved by them saying that in court.
00:35:41
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She was a victim and she's a survivor and she lived half her life in the dark afraid to make any waves of those around her not knowing what the reception would be. Wow. 42 years later in 2016 she released a book and it's titled The Gitchy Girl, a survivor story where she tells the details of that night and she's become an advocate now for victims and
00:36:08
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For those who experience trauma, those who experience rape, she goes on tours and she speaks and she speaks about the boys, how kind they were, how fun they were. And she says, and this is pretty much a direct quote from her. She says, for years, I kept quiet. I felt unworthy. I didn't feel good enough. I kept silent. And then I started talking about my trauma. And when I started talking, it was when I finally started to heal.
00:36:32
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She said she speaks at venues all the time now. She goes to the library. She goes to police stations. And the outpouring of love and support is so overwhelming. She didn't ever, ever think she'd have anything like that. But the thing that makes everything so meaningful is when she receives a hug with a whispered word saying, I was raped too. Thank you for giving me the strength to speak out. You're my hero. From all the girls that gained courage from her.
00:36:57
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Wow. That's a story. Full story, dude. That was a story. And she's still like 2016 when she published the book. Like she lived a long time of her life, silent and afraid because a small town did not say that she was a victim and it caused those around her to question if she was. You know what, dude, that's crazy, too, because we still do the same thing nowadays. Like, was she really raped? Really? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like now you got to prove it all the time. Yeah.
00:37:27
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She was 13. Yeah, I don't care if she said I'm attracted to you. 13, you can't make that decision when the full road man gets raped. Still statutory, bro. Yeah. But she's a boss. She is a boss. I did not know this was a survivor story. I did not know that there was rape in it. I did not know that they escaped. I did not know. There were so many things in this story. I did not know going into it. I just thought it was kind of like a clean cut murder in a park and camping. And I thought, ooh, that goes great with summer road trip. Go camping.
00:37:56
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I've been through a lot of emotions. I'll bet. It took me really down. Because she still gets like when she goes to talk like she you can still hear the emotion or voice when she talks about her friends and her boyfriend. And it was like 42 years later. Yeah. Well, 42 years was in 2016. So it's more than I'm not good with math in my head. I agree. Don't correct me. But she still talks about she still gets emotional. But
00:38:20
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She said that she lived in silence for so long and talking helped her heal and she's going to make sure no girl feels like she can't speak out against what happened. Whether the people in power say it happened or not. Because basically that's what she was told. Your rape doesn't matter.
00:38:36
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Yeah, it did. That's exactly what they said. The death of her friends mattered and she fought for their justice by going out on rides, looking for the people that did that to her. Yeah. And not only that, but could you imagine at 13 years old, you're literally reliving that every single time you set foot back in the woods. Yeah. And I mean, that means balls of absolute steel. Yeah. Steel. Yeah. So that's wow. That was a good one. It was really good. Like it ended up really good, but it took you down some dark paths. Yeah. Wow.
00:39:06
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Yeah. The Gucci. We're moving on to Kansas.
The Kaler Family Tensions
00:39:11
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You're up Kansas. I'm up Kansas. Right. I'm done. I'm going to take a mental health day. Oh, all right. So I'm in Kansas and I'm going to talk about the Keller family or Taylor. I'm not really 100 percent sure. So I'm just going to go. I can't pronounce things. I don't judge on that. So Craig Kaler was a well off engineer.
00:39:36
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He met his wife, Karen, in their last year of college. Together, they had three children, two girls and one boy. And to everyone around them, they appeared to be the absolute perfect couple. In 1999, Craig moved his family to Texas after accepting a very wonderful job. The kids fit in perfect, and life was just good.
00:40:02
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As time went on, Karen began to talk to her sister about Craig having these really odd requests. Um, she was put on a curfew. Uh, she had, she is a grown a woman and you know, yeah, she's put on a curfew. She had to have sex with him every night at 8 PM and she had to be in bed promptly by nine. I love for your brother to try. No kidding. Put me on a schedule. My parents didn't even give me a curfew and I was in the
00:40:31
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high school right um a no sir not gonna happen today buddy I'm gonna divorce you and take half of everything you own right take that curfew and shove it up your ticket yes exactly so yeah she described sex with her husband at this point was like doing laundry or cooking dinner like it was just short
00:40:50
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There was nothing enjoyable in her life. It was on her chore list, 8 p.m. 8 p.m. So Craig gave her an allowance and made sure to look at every receipt that she brought home to make sure she never went over the allotted amount that she was allowed to spend, right?
00:41:08
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She began to hate him. Well, yeah, of course. I'm sure that was in there somewhere She began making cakes and selling them for extra money so she could join a gym So that she could have some kind of like outside an outlet instead of always having to be stuck in the house Yes, yes, all right, so
00:41:34
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She actually did end up joining this gym. She became so involved at this gym they offered her a job to be a physical trainer that he didn't like that. He actually approved. Oh. And he allowed her to do it. He allowed her. He allowed her to do it. Yes, he did. He allowed her. Oh, thank you, kind of, sir. I feel like I've got a button. I feel like I'm pissing you off right now. Why are you going English? I don't know. You did. I just said, thank you, kind of, sir.
00:42:00
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Yeah. I didn't go all tea and crumpet, although we do have a lot of UK listeners. So thanks United Kingdom. Yeah. And sorry for that really probably absolutely dreadful. Yeah. Don't judge me on her horrible English. At least it doesn't need your help. Faith. Okay. Yeah. You should put things up on your own. Anyway, continue on this male dominated. I mean, I don't even want to anymore. I hope he, I'm sorry. I hope he falls on really sharp sticks. Well,
00:42:30
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So, uh, yep. She was hired as a fitness instructor. Um, but, uh, he gave her a condition, right? As long as she was always home to tend to the children. And in bed by eight o'clock. Yeah. Oh my God. No, I'm sorry. In bed by nine. Sex was in it. Yeah, I know. In bed by eight. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm sure he's not going to be an adventurous guy. Just lay there and take it. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. But he's super good. Anywho, um,
00:43:01
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All right, so while Karen was working at the gym, she met another trainer and her name was Sunny. The two became fast, fast friends. They hung around each other absolutely every day, constantly whenever they could. I hope Sunny was like a female rights advocate that just told Karen to nut up and go girl. Well,
00:43:24
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That is not respecting your wife. Soon after, these two became really good friends. Things between the two women became intimate. Oh, you had to see that. And Karen told her husband what happened. Because she didn't want to be unfaithful. Like, she just wanted to admit it. This is what happened. It's not a good idea, Karen. I'm sorry. Here's what it is, right? Your husband's mentally unstable. Well, Craig didn't mind at all, actually. Wow. And then asked if they would have a threesome.
00:43:53
Speaker
Of course he did. Of course he did. Right. You've disgusted Destiny. You've disgusted her. I really, we just need to report Destiny's reaction to our story. She's not talking, but just her sheer anger and outrage at me the whole time I talk and her sheer disgust with you the whole time you've talked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just your reaction. Your reactions say what we all feel inside.
00:44:23
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Appeared to stain and discussed. Yes. Anyway, back to that. He wants. All right. Excuse Lisa. Sorry, I didn't anticipate faith ever ever saying something like that in the middle of the pot. Normally it's me. Oh, I apologize. OK, yeah. So he wanted to have a threesome of the ladies. You know, no, thank you, sir. We were going to opt out of that pretty quick. Right. Like this is a bad version of Ross.
00:44:51
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from friends and his wife Karen and her girlfriend Carol. Yes. Yes. Oh my god. Like a Ross just sat there and wasn't involved. Oh my god. All right. So after he was declined for the offer, he was not exactly thrilled and he accepted a job in Missouri to put distance between Karen and Sunny. Yeah.
00:45:19
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Yeah. I mean, kind of a smooth move on his part. Right? Yeah. You won't let me have my way. Let's move across the states. Exactly. You know. Now we're on to Missouri. Now we're on to Missouri. All right. So he accepts this wonderful job. He was making bank from what I gathered. Karen. Bet she wasn't allowed to work anymore.
00:45:45
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Turns out they continued their relationship anyway. It was just long distance. They were emailing, they were calling, and Sunny would often go visit. Oh yeah, because, I mean, theirs was, it wasn't just a physical relationship, it was an emotional relationship as well. Yeah, yeah. Because her husband had the emotions of a rock. Right. Yeah, and I guess as long as she was in bed by nine o'clock, I guess he didn't really care. Eight for the diddle. Eight for the diddle. That's weird. Alright, so,
00:46:12
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As they continued on their relationship in 2008 at a New Year's Eve party, Sunny had actually shown up to this party.
00:46:25
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Karen and her had wandered off together and were seen kissing by guests. Now, up until this point, the only people that knew about the affair were Sonny, Karen, and Greg. Yeah, nobody else had any idea about it. It was, you know, I'm gonna keep myself. I'm just gonna keep it to myself, and nobody needs to know. But now, now it's public.
00:46:46
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OK, so Craig was furious at the guest at the party actually described the fight between them as just completely insane. Like, nobody can stop it. Stop with the lifesavers. They're delicious. You don't have to shove your tongue through them. Oh, that's me agree with me. Stop talking. Stop talking. Somebody get my muzzle.
00:47:15
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Wow, Craig. Oh! That was, that was a below, that was a below adult. It was appropriate. You threatened to muzzle her. I'd like to muzzle you. I know. And do me a favor, if you're going to sit here and eat those life savers, could you actually keep it on your mouth and not fling it this way? Because that's nasty. And I'm actually pretty sure that's a piece of it on the microphone. No, it's not. Whatever. Continue.
00:47:44
Speaker
Would you like some of my life savers? Yeah. They're delicious. All right, guys, I'm going to try to keep telling my story here while Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Duh are sitting here eating life savers and shoving their tongues through the hole. I don't. OK. That was an awkward statement to make just now. OK, I've come to edit this one. Faith.
00:48:10
Speaker
So, Craig's pissed that other people know his wife. Craig is pissed. Everybody knows lots of arguing. Not long after that, Karen filed for divorce. I'm guessing it's because of his reputation that he's mad. I mean, it could be a lot of things. He could still be mad that they wouldn't give him a threesome. I have no idea. During that whole time, the only reason that Karen was staying from what I gathered was for the kids. I just figured financial support. She's got kids. Yeah.
00:48:39
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And I'm sure he's not going to pay child support because he's kind of a jerk. Um, yeah. Well, so they filed for divorce. Divorce was extremely messy. And in 2009, Craig was arrested on suspicion of third degree domestic violence charges. He claimed he wanted affection and tried to give Karen a bear hug.
00:48:58
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Karen said he bruised her. In the middle of a divorce? In the middle of a divorce, yes. I don't want a bear hug from you, sir. I want to be away from you. I want eight. I want my lady parts. I want a divorce. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. What grown man says I'm going to give you a bear hug? Come here, Karen. Squeezy, squeezy. What a dumb, dumb. Oh, my God. Yep. So she moved out. She took the kids and went back to Sunny.
00:49:29
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So he began, Craig began having some really, really, really bad issues. His work life suffered greatly through everything that was going on in his personal life and they wound up firing him in 2009. Craig's parents were concerned by his state of mind and they moved him back to Kansas into their ranch. Just now getting concerned? Yeah. Ethel and Doris? Yeah, apparently. But I mean, who probably nobody knew what he was doing to her more than likely.
00:49:58
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He's not going to be like, Hey, guess what? I put my wife on a bedtime schedule and she has to diddle me every night at eight. If my husband tried, I don't know why I did. Body would know. Oh yeah. I didn't want the idea. I would be like, can you believe this to bro? Yeah. Oh yeah. So he went back to, uh, to Kansas and was living with his family on Thanksgiving weekend, uh, 2009.
00:50:26
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You're getting kind of low there. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I do that. I wonder. All right. So Thanksgiving weekend, 2009, Craig's son Sean came to stay with him, but his two daughters, Emily and Lauren sided with their mom in the divorce and chose not to go.
Craig Kaler's Thanksgiving Tragedy
00:50:40
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Surprise, surprise. Shocker. You mean the women don't like that. Yeah. So.
00:50:50
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Uh, yep. Sean stayed the weekend. Um, he wound up calling mom asking if he could stay a little longer with his dad. She declined and had her mother, Karen's mother went to pick up Sean when Craig left to go run errands. So I don't know if it was the situation where he didn't even get to say bye to his kid or whatever this that's that or whatever. Sure he didn't take it well. No.
00:51:15
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So on November 28, 2009, Karen's grandmother hit for the emergency button for the life... Grandmother or her mom? It was her grandmother. It was the grandchildren's great-grandmother. Okay. And they were staying with her visiting. Okay. Sorry about that. But she hit her life alert button. Uh-huh. And all they could hear on the other end was this woman Doris, I think her name was. No way. I said Doris was a joke when I said Doris Nestle.
00:51:46
Speaker
Oh, maybe it was Dolores. I don't, I didn't write her name down. I just kept calling her grandma. Okay. All right. So, um, she, uh, kept yelling that there's a gunman in the house and he's trying to kill us. She was screaming for him to get out. There was no real coherence like to anything. Just come, come here, get me, get, get us, get us out of here. Uh, when the cops arrived at the home, the grandmother was found bleeding on the floor, barely hanging on to life.
00:52:14
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When the cops started to search around, they came across Karen's body laying dead in the dining room, I believe. She had also been shot multiple times just like Grandma had.
00:52:34
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Sorry, all right. Officers continued going through. When they got to the living room, they found Craig's daughter, Craig and Karen's daughter, 18 year old daughter, dead on the floor. And I believe her name was Emily. Yes. The cops kept, I'm sorry, the cops kept going and they heard like this faint voice coming from upstairs. They rushed upstairs to see what was going on and they found
00:53:03
Speaker
Their other daughter, who was 16 years old, who had been shot in the back. So the first daughter, Emily, was shot in the chest once, like point blank. And she was dead on arrival. Lauren, on the other hand, was shot in the back and was barely able to speak, right? So, okay.
00:53:32
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They got upstairs, they found her, and she was literally begging the officers, and there was a recording that I was listening to from the cops, you know, whatever the thing is. It's not like you don't see her, you can just hear it's on you. And you can just hear her begging, please don't let me die, I don't wanna die, somebody help me. And then you can hear the officer trying to calm her down, and she's like, I just wanna breathe, I can't breathe. And it was really, really,
00:54:02
Speaker
Traumatizing yeah, yeah, it ripped my heart out because like it's one thing to like like when we tell these stories but to actually listen to someone's last words was Excruciating yeah, yeah So the cop finally asked who did this and she said Craig did this and the officers like well Who is Craig and he she said Craig is my father Where's her brother so they
00:54:31
Speaker
I'm going to ignore that question. They got her into the ambulance and grandma as well. Unfortunately, Warren passed shortly after getting to the hospital. Grandma also passed away, but not before telling the cops that it was, in fact, Craig that came in with a shotgun and was shooting it. The only sole survivor was Karen and Craig's son of 10 years old,
00:55:00
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named Sean. Sean saw Craig shoot his mother and escaped to the neighbor's house to call 911. Craig was soon arrested and stood trial in 2011 where his now 12 year old son testified against him. They thought that the only reason
00:55:23
Speaker
He didn't shoot Sean was because Sean didn't take sides at that point during the divorce. He was still developed. Yeah, he was still having a relationship with him. I didn't know if maybe Sean's a boy. Exactly. That's exactly where my head went was he hates women right now. And even even his own daughters had to die. Like, that's so evil. That's evil.
00:55:48
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So 2011, he stood trial, his oldest son testified, or yeah, his only son had testified against him and stated on the stand that he watched his father shoot his mother. Craig was sentenced to death on capital murder charges. He showed absolutely no emotion upon the sentencing. And once the sentencing was done, he asked if he could be dismissed because he didn't want to hear the victim statements.
00:56:14
Speaker
I hate him. He's not even just a piece of crap. He's like the annoying crap that sticks to your butt and you can't get it off him. I hate him. That's the guy. Yeah. He can't be bothered to listen to you really upset Destiny. The victim's statements. She can't even make a sentence. She just keeps moving her mouth. She does that anyway. I think she's a mute. Don't touch me. Sorry.
00:56:43
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The victim statement, AKA his son. Yeah. No, and his wife's mom, right? Because here's the deal. The mom was there in the court hearings with all of this. She lost three generations of family in one suite. Her mother, her daughter, and two of her grandchildren. But he didn't want to hear her statement.
00:57:09
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He's, there's not even a good, you couldn't even cuss and make him out to be any, no, there's not a word that exists to describe him. No. Because he couldn't have a threesome. Okay, I'm sure it went a lot deeper than that, and I'm sure he really was messed up in the head with everything that was going on, but at the same time, like bro. Get some help. You killed, you killed your own kids. Yeah. They were your daughters.
00:57:39
Speaker
Yeah. I'm not done yet. Oh, goody. I know. I'm sorry. So. Destiny's never going to listen to our podcast. No, probably never again. I know it gets it gets real. The last thing that I could find is the prosecution is still fighting to keep death penalty on the table.
00:58:01
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Why was it taken off the table? Hey, do you remember what we paid the Supreme Court for in our last podcast? Worked at 95. Oh, they worked that night. They worked so hard, in fact, that they took the death penalty off the table because they, it wasn't constitutional. They didn't. Why can they rule on this one? But they couldn't be bothered with the other one. I guess it's the difference between Idaho and Kansas. Yes, Destiny, we made the Idaho joke last night. Go ahead and giggle. You should have listened.
00:58:33
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Faith is the hoe. But yeah, Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty is suspended right until. But he's already been given the death penalty, so it should be like. They literally took it off the table. Yeah, grandfather didn't yet.
00:58:51
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It's appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal because he pled not guilty right by reason of mental insanity although I did see something and Anyone from Kansas correct me if I'm wrong because if I say this wrong then then I suck completely but there's a law in Kansas talking about pleading guilty pleading innocent due to mental what's it called?
00:59:17
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like having a mental break right yeah it's not insanity yeah it's not insanity a mental illness for like i don't know whatever i like the illinois kept the gallows for like 50 years just in case they found that one guy even when they said we're not gonna hang people anymore we're gonna keep this one hangman's news just in case you find tommy hey man this guy gets the death penalty they may have kept their gallows for 50 years for one guy but at least in my other state they freaking hung him in 1996
00:59:47
Speaker
So I'm thinking, I'm a thinking that this dude definitely should have been grandfathered in. I don't even care if it was lethal objection dude. You killed your daughters. You killed your wife. Just because she didn't want to be with you. And maybe if you weren't so controlling, she wouldn't have left you. Yeah, like you're a sideshow freak. She didn't like you anymore because you're a tool. So all four of our bad guys are still alive in jail today. Yes. Because my three are. Yep. They're still alive. Still alive. Just hang around.
01:00:18
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pending motions. Oh, but what I was saying about Kansas is they don't allow that rule very often. Like it's literally in their books, like you can't plead this because people used it so much. That was like every person's defense. So like, you know, I stomped on this guy's face till he was dead. But I was insane for like that 10 minutes. Right.
01:00:42
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I don't know if that was wrong. If that was a wrong thing. I think that's what it said on the website that I was looking at. But again, if I'm wrong, I will. It's not like we have enough listeners. You're going to call me out anyway. I will say on my guys, every time an appeal comes up, like every time one of the three brothers get brought up to be let out on good behavior or whatnot.
01:01:03
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Sandra is there to speak against it. Heck yes, Sandra. As is, I believe it's Stewart's sister. Dana and Stewart were brothers. Their sister comes every time and speaks against it and stalls their appeals. Yeah, so they are shown jail.
01:01:20
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a lot of tax dollars going to some really crappy people like you know what confuses the crap out of me is all these people play like temporary insanity that was what I was looking for all right good job Lisa you literally said not insanity please but yeah a temporary mental illness yeah you said it all together right there yeah mental breakdown
01:01:51
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But that's literally like what they do. Yeah. So, but I lost my point. Oh, it's okay. I don't remember. It probably wasn't good anyway. Wow. Those are our stories for tonight. It is. That is our stories for tonight. And you need to go back to go tangle with the Florida man's. Tangle with the Florida man. I'm kind of nervous about it now. Well, we're gonna.
01:02:18
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I know, we did Florida and there's a whole Florida man thing. Oh dude, it was, it was, you have to listen to the Florida man podcast freaking out. Yeah, she hasn't played the game either. She hasn't played the game. Yeah, I know. You're a bad friend. You're a bad friend. What game? What game? She does not listen to our podcast. So I worked a lot too. Our own family and friends don't listen. My mom did say that she's listening. She's being forgetting better. And I want to be like, give me a point we've made.
01:02:45
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Yeah. I didn't want to call her a liar because if she does listen, I want to talk with only a few people to listen. My mom does actually listen. And then she corrects my speech. We all do that. I know. I know. All right. Well.
01:02:57
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We're going to go. Lisa's got a pack and we're going to attempt to do a cross state recording next week while she's gone. So stay tuned for that. I'm sure it'll be a train wreck. I know I'm going to be speaking through some kind of crap. So just bear with me. But we hope you're having a great summer. We hope staying safe. Yep. Stay indoors. Stay indoors. Watch your feet for snakes. The nature comes in. I hope you don't get the Chuck Norris snake of your town.
01:03:25
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And we'll talk to you later. Have a good night, guys. Bye. Bye.