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Will You Survive?
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Do you have what it takes to munch on Steve?
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Opening Atmosphere: Tension vs. Relaxation
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You won't survive. You won't survive. Death, darkness, death, darkness.
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You won't survive. You're a fucking piece of shit. Death, darkness, death, darkness.
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Steve's penis. I promise you. I promise you. Steve's penis.
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Well, hiya, fella. think it was little early to be entertaining. Yeah, we're going to be a little low energy, but interesting topic that we just came
Performing at Odd Hours: Gigs and Experiences
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up with. Can I pre-interrupt you? You do it every fucking episode. Before I'm less than a minute into the show.
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Did you ever have to do a ah morning gig? or and or an afternoon gig. It's different vibe, right? Very different. Very different. i ah I like that about 10 a.m. m to noon is my... bad You like that space for for entertaining?
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No, I like that space for high energy, and then I also i perk back up like three to six. So completely opposite of what a corporation or what anybody would want.
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i if my I think for exercise, 10 to 12 in the morning is pretty good for me. Because ah if I don't, I've been doing fine, though. But if I don't, it might slip away into like, ah, fuck it.
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For exercise, any hour of any part of the day works for me, bro. I'm just wired that way. Fucking A.
Festival Performances and Audiences
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Did you guys go to any festivals where they put you, like, or or I don't know, bills where they put you on at like 9 in the morning? You are just like, fuck this. Yeah, we did have one. I think it was like eight. It was like several running type events where we were playing music, 7.30, 8 in the morning, hands cold as fuck, my fucking fingers freezing.
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There's always like when when I haven't done it this year, but we're doing like the farmer's markets to get wild wood edges out there. there There'd be a guy just banging for like four hours, eight to 12, giving it all he's got. And you end up with just those like older middle age, like two older middle age women like dancing in front of you.
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And you kind of got to be like, hey, hey, Mary Lou, huh? youre just And everyone else is just like, can you shut the fuck up so I can sell something here? Yeah. While you're banging out American Pie at eight in the morning. Right.
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And those two older American women, they're, know, quite honestly ubiquitous at every sort of local concert. And I think. Everybody's got, everyone has one, right? Yeah. But don't you think that these women, I don't know. It's just a, we only live once kind of conversation that happens just before they get out there and and embarrass themselves. Because it happens every time, no matter the quality of the music. It's a couple women.
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get out there and they're just living life, bro. They're free and they're ready to do it and show that they're living. And I see it all the time. Is it Like it's, for me, it's more sad. Like I have a podcast sad than, than like inspiring.
Dance Styles and Self-Perceptions
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I'm like, it's, it's cool that they don't care. It's, it's makes me sad every time. It's equal to this podcast. It's the type of sadness. That's just nothing but deep, deep embarrassment.
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But I would say on the flip, I remember there was a guy like a dad who was getting after it, but being kind of silly and like kind of like trying to embarrass his kids, but get his kids to ah dance. But he was like getting into it.
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Middle-aged white dude. His name was Matt. i it wasn't i don't I'm way too insecure to to like dance in open space in public. And just in general, I hate dancing.
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I do it. I do it for sure. we used to I remember dancing with you, your your wife, my wife, back like weddings and shit, and we'd be the only four on the floor. like yeah kind of being silly but that's gone dude you would i think you probably started it and i've been doing it for years now where we're mimicking actions of specific sports so the dance moves are like you know layups and shit a bump in a volleyball setting ah a set a spike then yeah basketball some dribbles some jumpers
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ah Maybe even some football or some some side shuffle and blocking and tackling. Like, those are the actual dance moves. Makes everybody laugh. Makes everybody have fun. Maybe should get back it. Yeah. Like, maybe I should get back to that. The volleyball bump is a classic move because you squat down a little bit. Everybody knows what you're doing. Then you go right into a set and then a spike. Boy. You got to jump.
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That's pretty funny, dude. Yeah. Dancing is so, like, – the yeah the the I don't know, but we're not if like if I'm dancing here, everyone's like, oh, he's dancing. him Everyone's like watching for some reason.
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it's like
Clubbing Narratives: Humor and Hygiene
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You're like a white gorilla. that They're like, oh, look at him in the forest. He's yeah he's eating berries. Yeah. And it's like, if you want me to dance, shut the fuck up. Mind your own goddamn business. That's how I feel.
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Everyone's like, oh, look, you're dancing. So you like to dance? so It's not a topic. It's not an issue that needs to be discussed. Yeah. Yeah. Let the guy dance. You know, it can be very ugly, though.
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Movements can be too erratic and the body types can really throw it off. It's a special person that makes it look good. And even that is almost like, oh, God. yeah Like if someone's too good at dancing, you're like, oh, geez.
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What are you, Usher? And did you ever think about, you didn't when you were younger, but I do now because I'm 50, hitting on or grinding with some girl at a club and the realization that Her parts downstairs are really sweaty and probably real funk.
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And sex at that point or shortly thereafter is probably not going to be a clean, bro. It's not going to be clean and fresh. It's going to be sweaty and nasty.
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but That reminds me, dude. Last night, I was kidding.
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No, I didn't think about that too much. I did have a friend. Hold on. I got to get this out. The breath, people's breath. You know, when you're dancing hard like that, drinking a little bit of liquor.
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Yeah. Any sort of, if you suction out all of the moisture out of your body, your breath is just, ugh. Back then. Yeah. Throw in some cigarettes. Yeah.
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Yeah. yeah So awful, awful stuff. And that is a great barrier between me and sex. Bad breath. Stank box.
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You're going there, dude. if you if you were If you're out there fucking dancing, which is the only... I had a great college friend. I don't know if i remember my friend Sam. He was like, there's no other reason why any guy dances but it's to like meet women and whatever, try to hook up with women. No one's just dancing. No guy is like, this is great. This is fun.
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And I think he's right. He's close, yeah. I there's few guys, but why would you ever dance? Like, hey, Lance. like when i I'm coming to Denver, by the way. But when I come to Denver, Lance, you just want to go out and dance, just the two of us?
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Just kind of let loose, you know, have some fun? Who the fuck would do that? Like, ever. ah It reminds me of a story where I was in Vail visiting you, I think. We went to a club. I was pretty boozed up, but I had this scarf.
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Was it with the whole crew or just you? Were you with the wife back then? I was with you. She was the wife back then. No, she wasn't there. It was just you. I think we'd played a show and maybe we all went to a place to dance or I don't even know what happened.
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But I was had this scarf on that at the time was pretty colorful, you know, like Abercrombie and Fitch multicolored scarf. And I was just using it as a prop on the dance floor. Yeah.
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And this this couple came up to me and they're they're like, We just want to know, are you gay? and this was like the nineties. And I have to think back and reflect on that. Like the scarf probably was a little feminine and. moves, huh? Performative. But I also go, even in that era, who comes up to somebody?
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And says that now my only thought is that they wanted to do a threesome.
Survival Scenarios: From Clubs to Extremes
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Dude, that's another question. Who's doing a threesome with another guy? Like, what come on. I don't even know if like many girls are in the like, let's get two guys and let's do this.
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No, it's all over, bud. Just just open your eyes to the world anyway. What else do you have to say? Because I think we need to get to the topic. Would you have done it? That's what I want to say.
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No. No. Because of the reasons I stated. Stink. Oh. It's not the threesome with the guy. There's a great, ah lonely I think it's Lonely Island song with with Timberlake called it's It's Not Gay If It's In a Three-Way.
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it's It's fucking, it's really funny. But, uh... Look it up, dude, when you get off this riveting show. Yeah, comedy, i mean, i went we went on a different path, but daytime comedy, if you if you get like a corporate gig or something, is ah it's pretty rough. I've had a few that are, because the like no one's in the mood. Like even, ah you know, the the corporation or somebody is like, oh, this is a great thing for our, don't know if you guys ever did that at KP, where you bring in like a guest speaker, comedian, but no one's like, I want to fucking laugh.
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at 11 in the morning in your business casual. i You're rifling through your material and it's not like you're just going to, unless you're some dude that's all he does, not like you're going to write fucking song or a comedy bit so you can go entertain the semiconductor firm at 11 a.m. on a Thursday or something. You're just doing your same stupid material but trying to keep it clean.
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Everyone's just like, ah. I'm not keeping it clean. But i think we're crushing right now. We're 10 minutes in, dude. You're not keeping a clean to corporate. No, I'm talking about KPIs and I'm talking about cock, pussy, and incest.
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Those are the types of jokes I'm going to use. Hey, hey, guys. You know how you use KPIs to measure performance? Well, I have a new definition. The K stands for cock.
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The P stands for pussy. And the eye stands for incest. Am I right? just loosen you guys up here, huh? So fucking stupid. ah Dude, so we did talk a lot, warming up here. Are you ready to get to the topic, fella?
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Yeah, I am. I do wish that ah we were so big that that couple that approached you Vail in 99 were like listeners and they and they sent you sent us a message and cleared up the cleared the air on that. yeah it would be If we were that big, that would it would be worth it. i don't I'm not worried about fame, but That interaction would be worth it.
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All right, I'm ready. Yeah,
Survival Skills and Psychological Resilience
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okay. So are you a survivor is the topic. You know I've been thinking a lot about this ah potential for AI robots to accidentally kill us or to kill us on purpose.
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And I don't want to get into like how that would all go down because that's just... type of forecasting and prediction that humans are bad at. But I'd be curious if you're actually a survivor, and by that I mean, are you, know, things are so fucked up.
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Are you sitting there like eating rat tails and rat carcasses and doing crazy shit like that to just keep going under the most, don't horrendous, it's the most intense misery you've ever experienced just to keep it going? Or are you someone that says, find me a bottle,
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I'm going to drink and just lay here until I'm dead. You have to think about your kids and other people too, but I'm curious where you stand on that buddy. Huh? Uh, there's a lot to, as, as they say, a lot to unpack there. Um, it's funny you mentioned AI. I spent the probably the last three days just like talking with an AI bot updating our website.
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And I actually found it to be just fine. But, uh, I don't think, yeah, well you don't want to get into this that the AI taking over the world, but anyways, um I mean i would I would say both because I have no skills. Like my dad, you know, is more is like a do it, at least he was, he was younger, like a do it it do it himself type guy, or like if there's a house project he's doing it, or and hes he's building shit and doing everything himself.
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I never got into that. so But my fear of death is strong enough that I think I would find a way to survive, even if even if the world sucked. like i think i I think I'd figure it out. was Back to what we talked about last week, my my Navy SEAL desire. I think when When my back's against the wall, I feel like I'm pretty good at like being staying level-headed, thinking, and and solving solving problems.
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Because I'm so fucking stupid and and like just always losing shit and always creating problems for myself. but just like My whole life seems like it's been like that, just solving problems that I've created for myself.
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so Okay. and But I'm not i'm not like... bear guiles or like, I don't, I have no, I don't know how to survive in the wild. um I would love to be, I wish I was like ah that outdoor naturalist guy that could like, that's like, Oh, those berries are poisonous, but those right there have nine grams of protein. You can survive 14 days on. I wish, I wish I was like that.
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Yeah, we all do. To what end though? So we're talking like the ultimate misery and no prospect of a turning around. How do you adjust to that?
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Like, and why? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's like what I was saying. That's why I mentioned the fear of death. if you have like what A survivalist is just somebody who who's like refuses to die. or someone is it Is it a hopeful thing or a negative thing? you know like Is it the hope that well things are going to get better if I survive, i'll we'll figure it out? Or is it like, I don't know what's what's in the afterlife for me, but I don't want to find out, so I'm going to survive at all costs.
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Well, let's walk through this. So we we all live these super cushy lives right now. Really, things are handed to us, comfort, ease. Now you're in a cave hiding out from ai robots and use a rat crawls across and you smash it with your fist and that because you need to suck its blood and you need to do some really like hardcore shit.
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How do you get to that place? I don't get it. Well, what's you would just you would like hunger strike and starve yourself to death or what? ah I guess I just don't have the capacity to see how I get from where I'm at now to that desperate and a disgusting place where I'm now smashing a rat with my fist and sucking on its blood to survive. And I just don't know how I get there. So um I want to know how you would get there.
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Well, I don't know. I like you don't you don't just get there. Like, I'm not making a decision here on June, uh, what's the Whatever it is. i mean You're going to have to go through a process as the world deteriorates around you to get there. i think like i'm not I'm not making a choice today to go out and practice. like ah let's Let's see what what kind of meat can get off a rat.
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i mean I think you in war or any any like horrific events, you find that crazy shit happens. You probably do stuff that you can't even imagine that that you would do right now. because it's It's inconceivable in this cushy life that we lead, like you said.
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So I just don't think you can have a plan for this. Do you think this is a reality this could be a reality a reality in our lifetime? I don't know. But do I think it's interesting, though, because do you think everybody thinks that they'll survive?
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think everybody thinks that they'll have that. My wife is more of a, nah, I'm not going to try to survive for that hellish life. Yeah, but would you think that she could? like some like do you know anybody who you're like, there's no way that person could make it? like They're so useless. like Your wife's actually pretty resourceful. She'd probably be a candidate for somebody who could survive, I think.
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We don't talk much. but Well, with psychological stability is probably your biggest asset first. which is to stay calm in the chaotic environment that gets you to the next stage. And then skills. That's strength right there.
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And then, okay. I doubt that, but no, I'm kidding. Skills. And then third would be, ah sort of your ability to manage that psychology within a very desperate environment over time.
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Like, what how do you how do you find community and hope? But that's my take on it. But I think, first, the vast majority of people would say that they would survive, and the vast majority of people won't.
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And they'll be terrible in those circumstances, not only because their physical attributes are pathetic, but mostly their psychological astributes attributes are pathetic. And I think our current society has conditioned us to be total pieces
Modern Society vs. Traditional Resilience
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of shit. And I don't i think you're overestimating your capacity to handle the types of situations we're talking about.
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A kid dying in front of you, this crazy shit like that, Matt. And I know it's early, bud, but I'm hitting you hard. Yeah. But do you think this is an American thing? When you say we, most people would not survive, there's probably people, like a lot of people in the world that are like, this is every fucking day for me.
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Like, maybe not as bad as what you're describing, this ah ah apocalyptic world, but like, for a lot of people, that is their their day. they're better prepared for this you know that's a great point i'm sure i would totally agree with that and that the cushy tubby americans are all going to perish and the folks that have been scrounging uh trying to live off the land or have other very low means businesses they're going to be better served in this kind of chaotic environment yeah i think i don't know i mean
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I think a lot of people, don't know, it depends. I mean, what you're describing, a cane and AI bots flying around, it's like, is it just your standard every hundred years famine and war that rips through mankind?
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You know, or is there like something worse happening? And the fact that we're still here on the earth means that most likely enough people find a way to survive through through horrible shit than, you know, that don't.
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Because I think what we're describing has probably happened before. Yeah, but some survive. Yeah. But many, many don't. But that's not the point. The point is what what you could handle.
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And I don't think you're being honest with yourself. I think I could handle a lot. i don't I'm saying I'm an idiot resource-wise, but I think i would I could stay calm and and endure.
00:18:55
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Under what psychological framing? Religion? I don't know. I think that's one of the nice things about being, in your case, 50 and me in my 40s. You've gone through a lot of shit, so at least you that, eh?
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a be I know people, I definitely know people that freak out in in situations a lot more than me. I think I'm pretty good staying somewhat calm and be able to think through stuff.
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ah Like, I don't know if you're around people that just panic, like at any little thing, but it's it's like, Jesus Christ, calm down. And ah I'm not that person. that I think that's, like you said it, a psychological
Realistic Threats: Digital Dependence and Infrastructure
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stability. I think that's like as important as any other skill.
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And I think the the two and three on your list, I don't really have, but number one is the most important. I have that. It's not grounded in religion, but it's grounded in life experience, I think.
00:19:52
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Okay, so you winning the state championship, going 14-0 in football is is what's going to carry you through you know deep famine, deep violence, seeing people you love murdered in front of you. m I see that. State championship. Well, you you're you're adding stuff now.
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I didn't know my family was getting murdered. Well, I'm not saying I'd be like, it's okay. Stuff happens as I'm watching people murder my my family. we We can get through this. Stay calm. ah was a fucking Celebrities are just like such fucking idiots. But I think when COVID started, Tom Hanks had a message like that.
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It was like, who's like looking to Tom Hanks for clarity and strength? Stay calm, people. We can get through this. Just fucking go act and shut the fuck up. Anyways.
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Yeah, I mean, i'm okay, maybe if if I'm watching my family get murdered in front of me and I'm starving, I might i might have a ah mental breakdown. You're right. Well, I just framed it as as the most atrocious and horrible survival circumstance that you could imagine.
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and And you're still saying, I'll be fine. I'll just adjust. I'll pivot. I'll lean in. I'll pivot again. I'll lean in a little more. I'll stay positive. I'll lean on my life experience.
00:21:14
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No, I'm not getting it. Why don't we walk through like actual things that could happen because of the way things are set up in the world, and and then we talk about how we would do. For example, okay, there there's there is a chance like the power grid could completely shut down.
00:21:30
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Like that'll probably happen. Like that seems like in in modern warfare, that would be a way to take, take somebody out. Um, so could you, so that's like a, that's one in our cushy life. How long could you survive without power?
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It depends on what climate where you're at. With modern refrigeration, I think food supplies dwindle pretty quickly. I think there would be mass runs on all the grocery stores, non-perishables, and you'd be lucky to get some.
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And there'd be people shooting and and going after you to to take whatever you have. It'd be tough. So i can't estimate how long. I know that I would feel... Very vulnerable because I don't have guns.
00:22:12
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Can you build a fire? I could, if it's if we're in the winter, yes, I could use basically toxic wood within the house and start hacking at floorboards and shit and burn that up.
00:22:25
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You got that park across the street. You could go off on some of those trees. You could. It's just those are super mature trees and you got a whole host of other people doing crazy shit around you.
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So it would be yeah tenuous. Yeah, I think, but that's probably that, you know, losing power and then water supply i probably are probably the most like apocalyptic threats.
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And then i think ah what's is really sad is like, okay, you lose internet. Like your whole life flows to the internet now. If you lose that, you're like, oh shit, those are the threats that I see. youre the The AI thing is like, I don't know if I can get make that jump to picture what I would do if the AI took over the world.
00:23:07
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Well, that's it's all of what you're saying. It's just in in a sequence. Take away the digital world where people have access to money, which takes away the means of economy, or and maybe there's some barter happening, and then destroy water facilities and power facilities, and then...
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Most of us die right away because we we don't have the physical means to survive through some of that and then the psychological capacity to to be resourceful enough. And then the luck to survive crazy people running around. So I think most of us die, including you, Matt. I'm sorry to say you're a good friend, but you're toast, bro.
00:23:45
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Because you're not conditioned to survive at the most brutal level. There are only a few people on this planet that are. I do think if it's a world-level thing, I'm probably in a better place for this than you.
00:23:58
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Oh, yeah. Agree. like If I got to get out in the middle of nowhere, there's water, obviously water here. There's food. There's the ability to grow stuff or quickly. There's food.
00:24:10
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Yeah, agree. Colorado's fucked. Yeah, I don't i don't know. I'm not a survivalist in the sense of the guy walking around his, like, bow hunting animals and knows about random shit, but... Let's name some people we we know that would definitely die early.
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Let's name them. i think I think a lot, I think you're, I actually think I disagree with you a little bit. and I think a lot of people, even if even if right now on paper you're like, yeah, that person's fucked.
00:24:38
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I think it's like, I think there is some human nature that there's that there is a drive to survive. That's why we're we're still here. And I think even people that you would say, yeah there's no way that person's making it might surprise you, I think.
00:24:52
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It's kind of like parenting, you know? Like people are like, oh, they're going to be chill parents and they're fucking crazy or vice versa. It's like you don't know until until it happens. I think people could survive temporarily for sure.
00:25:05
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It's bigger than a bread box. It's too broad. It's too hard to – you'd have to really go through a very specific scenario to question whether someone would survive
Decision-Making and Leadership in Survival
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long term. So it's it's just a tough conversation. We shouldn't have had this topic.
00:25:18
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We shouldn't have done this. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We should come back to your scarf and your three-way in 99 or whatever. Well, I think the the better idea is like, do you consider yourself somebody who deals with whatever, what's it called? Not drama, but like adversity, will.
00:25:38
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and And does that translate into like a ah real, you know, day-to-day adversity? Does that mean you'd be good when shit hits the fan? Or is that like it's it's it's so it's so it's so like bigger in scale, like a what you're talking about, that you can't really tell?
00:25:55
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mean, so yeah, for me to sit here and be like, yeah, I would survive a fucking... World War IV, basically. mean, I'm sitting here. i bare I barely got out of bed today.
00:26:06
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Walk around like trying to clean my house. yeah I'd be fucking John Rambo if I needed to be, dude. If I needed to be. Yeah.
00:26:17
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well But that's a better question, I think. it's just What do what do you think are your your strengths under pressure? Just under pressure in general. And I would say I lock in quick, I'm very impatient and I want to resolve things.
00:26:32
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And then I get super wired and that's a risk in that I would get so wired that I probably would have trouble sleeping and calming back down. But it's also, you know, in those moments, having a heightened sense of responsibility and action taking is useful.
00:26:49
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Not just sit, you know, people that sit there and be like, it's still going to be okay. Everything will be fine. You know, that doesn't get the job done a lot. You know, i think that I think the big thing if you is like decision making.
00:27:03
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Like there's a lot of like you could there's a of soldiers that will do stuff, but it's like somebody who actually makes a decision. Like whether it's in a family, workplace, surviving. Like someone will just go, this is what we should do. Let's do it. And then everyone just follows.
00:27:17
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I think you'd probably, you you wouldn't have a problem with that. like making a decision. But, you know, there's people that are like, ah well, we need we should talk to everybody. i want i need to ask him. or or ah I think I used to be like that, but now like i I think I'm a little better at doing, not asking.
00:27:32
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You need someone like that. I think you'd be good at that. you need You need that, but you need some consensus. Like I'm a little nervous about a guy who says, here's exactly what we should do. I'm a little nervous about that guy who doesn't solicit feedback. and ah Obviously, some things are so time dependent. You got to do take some crazy, make a crazy choice and see what happens. But I'm sure you worked with people that were like, they're constantly like, well, they're not giving us what we're like. They're not I don't even know what to do or like, you know, we're like, well, figure it out, man.
00:28:02
Speaker
Like, I'm not saying the guy that's just like, the world is flat. Fuck you. This is the way it is. Yeah. I worked with both. The guy that's new, what he was talking about all the time was wrong a lot. He was wrong a lot. And then he spun it constantly.
00:28:16
Speaker
I don't want to get into that, but I have some experience with people like that as well. Oh yeah. With me. Oh yeah. No, not you. Oh, okay. Yeah. And then, then the guy that was like, you're saying was like, eh, I'm not sure. They're just doing this to us.
00:28:31
Speaker
That's a guy that in a in a very apocalyptic circumstance, I'd probably murder. I'd just murder. Right. Because they're bringing the ship down. Yeah, they're lazy, useless fucks.
00:28:44
Speaker
And that's, it's hard to get people to be like, no, it's we. It's like, it's we. It's not them. You're part of this too, right? It's like, well, that they just didn't give us a good process. It's like, we'll fucking make a process then.
00:28:57
Speaker
Steve. Steve, because otherwise I'm going to murder you and the first thing I'm going to eat is your penis after I... cook it up bro you're limp pathetic non-leadership penis yeah i'm gonna toughen myself up by going really hardcore right away not the thigh you know or the back of the arm i'm going right for your cooked cock steve because i'm crazy i'm a crazy survivor good thing you're not much not much to eat steve uh the big thing is like that leadership guy
00:29:32
Speaker
can he get off the path that he said, if it's not the right one, that's really hard for those people where you're like, ah you know You know anyone, I'm sure you work with people like that. they're like they make a They make a decision or they decide this is the a way to do it, and then they can't take any other feedback or any crit or like constructive criticism. They're like, that's not the right way to do it.
00:29:52
Speaker
That the worst. It's the worst. like It's like one thing about being a leader, but then you're just like, no, this is the way. And that's something that I i battle with every day. Yeah. The problem is it forces it forces me to just be like, I'm not going to deal with that person. where were Like you said, it's it's like the person just makes his own decision without consulting anyone. You don't like that guy either.
00:30:13
Speaker
But then sometimes you're like I know if I go there, it's going to be a dead end and someone's going to tell me this is the right way, what they think is the right way to do it. And and i' not it's not not debatable in their eyes. And I don't need that.
00:30:25
Speaker
I think that person needs to be confronted with the impact of their behavior. Who are you talking to right now, Lance? It's not me. I can see right through your eyes. You should see his face. He's furious. There's someone that he's he's speaking to.
00:30:39
Speaker
that You know, there's something about somebody who goes, Yeah, I was wrong on that. That seems so secure in themselves that is like what a good leader would do. Or, oh, you know what? I think your idea is better than mine. that's let's let's Let's try that.
00:30:55
Speaker
That's like way more secure than being the guy that's like, nope, this is the way it is. it's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah. Yeah, and I think in the survivalist, those the type of things you need.
00:31:07
Speaker
you Like, we're not we might not survive, but but somebody who's a ah leader but also open to other ideas. you And then you also probably need that foot shoulder soldier that's just, like, fucking great at tying knots or stupid shit, you know, who knows, can flint his way into a forest fire if if needed.
00:31:25
Speaker
Mm-hmm. It's tough in those stressful moments because people's styles that are different than yours get really annoying, really, really annoying. So like the thoughtful summarizer bothers me.
00:31:39
Speaker
So here's what I'm hearing about where we're at. And for whatever reason, it's a, it's a super useful skill and it has to be done. That summarization, that orienting. I read it out of a book on how to, how to talk and yeah professional environments or something. It's like, there's a, When I'm stressed and we want it we need to get something done and get moving, like that person really, they get to me. They really get to me, Matt.
00:32:01
Speaker
Yeah, I was just talking to somebody, friend of mine, and going through an interview and she was researching like interview stuff. And I'm like, just be yourself. Fuck. Are you going to use those stupid words in real life? It it was good. I mean, she's probably doing something that I shouldn't do. and haven't been in an interview like in my whole life almost. But like ah you know preparing being prepared is probably a good thing.
00:32:23
Speaker
But like you're usually a better, you're usually the best version of yourself as yourself, you know, not like fabricating a new vocabulary for interviews or leadership or like it it seems so it seems so like I've been in situations where people think they're great leaders, entrepreneurs, and they're and they're and they're clearly using like ah like just words and and things to be like, where it's like all you're really saying is like, look, I'm a leader. like You might as well just be saying that on repeat, not necessarily actually saying anything with substance.
00:32:55
Speaker
I know you know what I'm talking about but but who and who, but I don't know if I'm communicating it for the listeners, but like I'm a professional leader. Look at me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's hard.
00:33:07
Speaker
And this this just speaks to what the dynamics could be like in an apocalyptic situation. But yeah, people are, ah boy, all of us think we're just fabulous leaders.
00:33:18
Speaker
I don't know, though. do you really you really think that? I think that we'll represent ourselves as almost perfect creatures to some degree in this interview process that you speak of. and you I mean, I went through a few panel interviews, and I had to like...
00:33:32
Speaker
you know represent myself in a way that I probably wasn't very authentic. There's a line though, right? Like you can't, you're not going to go in interview and be like, you're clowning with me or something, but you also are just not comfortable. You wouldn't be comfortable being like, you know, from a 30,000 foot view, what I see, like being that guy or ah like, yeah. Yeah, but you're not going to be like using a South Side of Chicago black voice. And and so I'm a big picture thinker, you guys. So, you know, I sort of see the forest and I can see the landscape changing and I can make really macro level decisions.
Job Descriptions vs. Real-life Skills
00:34:10
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on a large scale and that's a strength i bring to most organizations and let me give you some examples let give you some examples of where i i saw the forest from high above everyone else like yeah someone's sitting there like oh this is this is our guy i'd want to hear what he has to say that's for sure Oh, that was part of it, the my friend.
00:34:30
Speaker
Like, she was reading the interview, like, the the the description, and it and it was like, you know, have you ever... And it was all these stupid terms. And it's like, who does this to other humans? It's like, have you worked in a fast-paced environment?
00:34:43
Speaker
Like, anyone describes their job as, like, a... a sleeper. It's, this is a real sleepy job. It's boring. It's just like, but people are doing this. People are putting these fucking job descriptions together and shit. It's like, what are you doing?
00:34:57
Speaker
It's like before the person's even there, they already hate the position because your stupid vocabulary. Did you write job descriptions ever? Yeah. Yeah. Cause I wrote them too. And it's like, it's your impression of what you would want the position to be, especially if it's a new job and you're always so far off cause you don't really know. And so you're interviewing for these skills. They're sort of idealistic. And then you get a person in that's like, Oh man, they suck. Why did I do this?
00:35:24
Speaker
Oh, because I wrote a shitty job description. You can't, but you also don't know. Like, I mean, I wrote when I was trying to get a few people to help me, like commission based salespeople for this company that the people that turned out to be pretty good were like the exact opposite of what, what the job description would have got.
00:35:41
Speaker
So it was like this one girl, she ended up now she's like, ah she's a chef. So she took a job a restaurant, but she had sold some stuff for us. she was like a straight up street hustler from St. Louis, I think. And like grew up in a tough environment in like East St. Louis or something. But she was like just great at reading people and and like socializing and talking to them because of that skill set.
00:36:03
Speaker
And it's like, you wouldn't put in a job description. Like, have you had to navigate through the fucking, through an American ghetto your whole life? So you know how to like read people and deal with people and shit. And, and, uh,
00:36:14
Speaker
and And some other people like would never see it, they wouldn't get it, they wouldn't see it. It's like, no, someone with corporate background might be like, we we need this, we need this skill set. so But you never know like what where you where it's going to go with that. Which, in the survival situation,
00:36:31
Speaker
You're like, oh, maybe I should go to the hood.
Building the Ideal Survival Team
00:36:33
Speaker
If I'm like, I need five people to survive. Do I go out to like, do I find ah a corporate leader? Are you a corporate CEO? I want to survive with you because you know how to lead people. Fuck that.
00:36:43
Speaker
You probably need like. Homeboy slinging rocks. Slinging rocks. Somebody has gadded a few people, you know, turned the pistol sideways and shot him in the heart.
00:36:55
Speaker
I think I would get a couple hood rats and then I would get like like from people that buy our wood like out in the country, like deer hunt type farm dudes that are very resourceful. I'd get a couple of those boys and then maybe maybe some 8 and above trim or 8.5 and above. so So do you think the interview process is completely useless?
00:37:18
Speaker
You just just take five people and hope they work out? and then Well, let's just say basic skills all equal. Do you think beyond that you're getting a lot of extra insight?
00:37:29
Speaker
Well, I would say there's there's definitely people that are really good at interviewing and suck at working. Almost exclusively, I feel like. like So the the problem is like what you're getting an interview is a different skill set than the actual job sometimes. not And so you're not you're not, like if someone's bad at interview, it might be just like they're not they're not good at public speaking or they get nervous, but they might be a great account ah you know accounts payable manager or something like that. but But that's not like a personality trait that shines through an interview. Like you're a great accounts payable. So so whatever experience they have, whatever, you're going to see it on a sheet of paper.
00:38:05
Speaker
So back to the survival then, you know, are you, are you somebody that would stay within your personality or would you you just start doing crazy shit? I'll eat this elk poop off the ground. I'll show you.
00:38:17
Speaker
Oh, watch. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. Is that, you know, start getting way outside of who you are or what do you do? Well, I don't know if I'd, I wouldn't be like, I'll show you. Like if that is that elk dump is the only way I can survive.
00:38:31
Speaker
i don't think it's like a personality thing. Yeah. But it's something super bold that doesn't necessarily fit you. I mean, it's hard for me to believe i would be like, I don't know, eat mouse or die. And I would choose die or rat or shit or fucking any disgusting thing that you're like, well, there's some sustenance in there.
00:38:51
Speaker
I guess, I mean, that is interesting. If some people are like, I would rather just die than deal with a shitty world. I don't think I'm back that person yet. where I would just give up and say die. But not because of any sort of like, I'm so great. Like I would never quit because I think it's more like a, I don't know, maybe it's an instinctual thing or our need to survive. but ah You just haven't experienced that shitty world yet.
00:39:15
Speaker
But it's still like, i mean, it's still for me, it's like the pain would be watching it happen to someone else in my family or something. But I don't know, dude. I mean, I fucking hate rats. I've seen like three rats in the last like week.
00:39:29
Speaker
God damn, yeah. And then you had to like Mao on one. Dude, that this we've come across, I think we've come upon by accident, the ultimate interview question. Would you survive an apocalyptic situation? Would you be somebody that survived or would you succumb to the circumstances? and then you You should have to be continued that and pop that next episode.
00:39:50
Speaker
We've come to the ultimate interview question and then cue the music. Steve's penis. And then people are just like jonesing. Jonesing. Jiggity, jiggity, jonesing.
00:40:02
Speaker
I mean, I think people try to framework, say stupid shit like, ah what's what's a situation where you've had to overcome ah whatever? ah A conflict. And how did you resolve it? Yeah.
00:40:14
Speaker
I like the apocalypse thing. but Would it give you some insight into how people think and sort of maybe how embellished their perception of themselves is? But so let's let's play that real quick to end this. OK, so be the person that might send some signals where you're like, who that's a no hire.
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah, i I don't know. Like, what do you want to hear? Like, I, you know, I know, I think you're probably the same way. The person's like, nah, I'm fucked. I'll tell you right now, I'm fucked. I'd be like, you're hired. That's, that's, that's great honesty. I love that.
00:40:44
Speaker
I'd want to hear some thoughtful, ah so some sort of thoughtful framing and the risks and rewards of certain types of behavior. That's all I'd want to hear. High certainty or a willingness to check out early, like would be red flags for me.
00:41:00
Speaker
Does that translate into a great employee? I'm not sure. High certainty would be like excessive. Like, well, here's my plan. Like it'd be like, all right, dude, it's the apocalypse. You're not ready for it. No one is. Right.
00:41:11
Speaker
That guy is a no hire. That's my first red flag. And that guy's booted. And someone, the the the low end would be like, well, is there Netflix? Cause I got to have my shows. Yeah. Yeah. That, that person's gone. The the guy, I know that the, uh, overly confident person is going to be a guy, no matter what it will. There'll never be a woman acting like that.
00:41:31
Speaker
Ah, I don't know about that, dude. That guy's gone. There is an epidemic of the overly assertive, I got to prove that I'm a leader woman in the workplace now where you're like, all right, relax. We respect you. You don't have to like go out and get it.
00:41:45
Speaker
That's boss bitch, but that was pushed on them by- I'm not saying whatever, how it got there, but you've met that person. Don't tell me that. It's all men. I've met maybe one person like that, but mostly dudes who have the certainty. Anyway, the ah the the lazy, ask stupid questions like, will there be Netflix or the internet?
00:42:04
Speaker
or are just sits there and asks questions to qualify every aspect of the apocalypse are not hired. Dude, that might be me. I mean, I do that with you on this show a little bit. Well, well so, okay, so would we have water?
00:42:18
Speaker
no I'm just saying it's the the most horrible conditions you could ever imagine. The right way to be would be like, well, I think I know that to survive, I would need that i need a water source. would probably be first on my my list would be like, fine, water.
00:42:31
Speaker
And then, you know, I would probably do a little... intelligent self-deprecating and be like, well, you have to be honest. I'm not a, I'm definitely not like the survivalist where I have experience hunting. Bingo.
00:42:43
Speaker
You go right up into people I like. When you first say, I'm not a survival expert, but here are some things I could, I might know. But I think I would, I would need to, depending on how, how traumatic the situation is, I would need to, I would probably look for a water source, clean water source if possible.
00:43:03
Speaker
And then I'd look for two black people from the hood and two farm-raised white boys. And then that would be my posse. And would they be all men?
00:43:14
Speaker
um then not necessarily it would just be it would be like it would be more more based on merit that trim can distract dude i would say like some i would say i would say this in the interview some like decent tight good looking trim would probably keep morale up so if i if i could had access to that i i would bring bring them along for the but they don't do anything they just sit there for for sex right yeah Well, I'd have to ask. ah I'd have to ask. I'd have to frame it. But what what i wouldn't i gender would not be gender wouldn't come into play just as long as... ah i mean, honestly, if it was the end of the world, I'd try to ah try to help as many people.
00:43:56
Speaker
survive whether they were valued to be valuable to me or not. But if the fate of mankind was resting on the a posse that I was organizing, then I would obviously need both genders to to reproduce so so we could move move humanity forward.
00:44:11
Speaker
Fucking hire me, bro. Why are you still talking? The only use for women in your mind is just for reproduction. They're actually... you know Not your first choice. Is that what you're saying?
00:44:22
Speaker
This would be great if you were saying that in an interview. it Sounds like what you're saying. ah You know that that person? Sounds like what you're saying is. Sounds like like they keep it'sler like reproducing what you're saying. That's actually a I don't was a TED talk or something, like somebody, like the art of negotiating is like you're supposed to say shit. Like sounds like what you're saying is. Yeah, reflect. Reflect back. fucking its It's like an instant turnoff for me when people say that.
00:44:50
Speaker
whether they're go go I would just be like, nope, no deal. No table for you because you said sounds like what you're saying. ah Yeah, no, I mean, ah yeah I don't know if gender really comes into play besides for from a survivalist perspective.
00:45:04
Speaker
yeah you met you met qualified men you met qualified women you met unqualified men unqualified women in your life ages I think like youth like it depending on how like I said how bad the situation is youth would probably be a good thing but again ah if the point is to to save mankind you got it you you need water you need food and and shelter okay how would you get your food this is an interview question Would you steal it?
00:45:36
Speaker
Would you do anything to survive? this This speaks to the person you are. Well, I don't know what, like if in this situation, what stealing would be, because it sounds like society is completely collapsed. So I wouldn' i wouldn't just steal food for, from like, for the sake of stealing it. If it's, there's a couple that has ah mass stores of rice and beans and non-perishables. You've got now a posse of people and some burgeoning children. are you going to go in there and ransack it to help your people survive?
00:46:06
Speaker
Well, I think in this situation, I think that both parties most likely are looking for, looking for you know, have needs. And I would try to find a ah way that we could maybe not negotiate, but kind of talk talk through with them what their needs are, what our needs are, and see if we can help each other in that situation. If they' if they' you describe them as elderly, they might they might need some support, just like day-to-day stuff, and maybe...
00:46:29
Speaker
Maybe we'd be back in a barter situation and maybe we could barter some protection and some help for them for some of their food food supplies if it's enough to maintain my posse and their family. Man, this this interview question is perfect. Okay, but what if they're combative and they say, hell no, get out of here, and they point a shotgun at you?
00:46:49
Speaker
I'm not going to say that I'm above anything because you know you're describing a pretty dire situation and people people will change. But my my initial instinct isn't just to steal. my ah If they're the only people on earth that have food.
00:47:04
Speaker
That's a wise response. All right. You're still in the running. You're still in the running. But at this point, we could kill and fuck fuck over endangered animals, right? So I think I would i would i would look for like bald eagles and shit like that.
00:47:18
Speaker
Say fuck them. You won't survive.
00:47:29
Speaker
Death, darkness, death, darkness. You won't survive. You're a fucking piece of shit.
00:47:47
Speaker
Darkness. Steve's penis. I promise you. Steve's penis.