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Matriculation Woes
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The transition to college was kind of tough for me!
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Absurd Rumors & Environmental Concerns
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I read it on a bathroom stall Tina has a bloody giant billiard likes to fuck fat chicks I read it on a bathroom stall Pensacola is a hellhole Rachel Martin likes it up the ass I read it on a bathroom stall Matt is a piece of shit Lance is a piece of shit Dude, I fucking know Tina.
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I'd fucking hit that, bro. This should be a piece of shit because I'm going to talk first. That's what Lance just told me. I you're drinking out of a glass mason jar while I'm hammering away at this huge glass bottle, dude. Is that a conscious choice to avoid plastic or just catch you at ah at a you know right place the right time?
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I just have glasses in my cupboard. don't have plastic cups. Is that coming out of the the faucet? It comes out of the faucet, goes into a little filtered canister in my fridge that I haven't changed the filter in 12 months, maybe.
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Probably full of plastic, too. Probably just just growing death inside of you. Probably.
Plastic's Impact & Hydration Myths
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what's your I know you hate the internet and all and propaganda, but are you worried about plastics?
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I'm less worried about it on a personal level and more for the quality of the planet. Fucking dolphins and shit. Yes, i'd I'd definitely save one of those more than I'd save a human.
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If you look at pictures, dude, it's unbelievable how much plastic rolls under the ocean. And then if you look at what some of these countries, some of the people sift through to like try to make barely a ah living, it's so sad.
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Sifting through all this garbage and plastic and bullshit. But yes, I do believe that. It's in our balls and testicles. and I mean, it's there. I am trying to. That's why I have this big-ass thing. This is all I drink water. It comes out of the faucet, so whatever's in that will fuck me, but I'm not storing it in like plastic containers.
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I'm trying to avoid plastics. My kids make fun of me all the time. They're just like, oh, microplastics. I don't know. Anyways, I saw your glass, and I was happy for you right there. Well, good luck with that.
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wonder if I heard my when I was 18... if i heard If I heard myself talking about microplastics, I would have been like, what a fucking tool. Just fucking live your life and shut up.
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I think if you're an 18-year-old version yourself listening to this podcast, they'd go, Jesus, dude, what a loser. There's no doubt about that. But speaking of the water bottle thing, when we went to college, I don't remember anyone really carrying around a water bottle, maybe a soda.
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Even girls? Yeah. I don't remember it. By the time I got to grad school, though, in the mid-2000s, 2000s. No, early 2000s. It's just every girl, giant water bottle.
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That's a great point. When did that fucking happen? Yeah, the stay hydrated movement happened somewhere in the mid-2000s. It got really crazy and to the point where... Even gays were doing it.
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If you went to a meeting at my company, it was just like everybody clank, clank, clank, water bottle, water bottle, water bottle. I i have a i thought that was kind of a Colorado thing, like the gearhead type.
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I'm trying to remember. Do remember? I don't know what they're called. There's those bottles that like they're kind of colorful and have a screw on top. There's a name. you know i'm talking about? I remember seeing those around, especially in Boulder. It's like one of those Boulder idiot rock climbing, bike and fool type things.
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But i you're right. that the The water bottle like epidemic is is ah crazy. yeah um I'm going to steal a ah line from you, but if you ever notice how like large people, fat people, they're the most well-equipped to hydrate when they're like and in the gym working out. They've always got water on. They've got it all dialed in.
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Worried about water. i don't I haven't noticed that specifically. Yeah, you you did, but you just want to put that on me. It's okay. No, I haven't. do you Are you water bottle guy now, like 24-7?
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I think I drink decent amount of water, but most of the time it's because I exercise. But is it on your is it on your person when you're when you're queening around on your electric bike? or yeah Are you are you yeah rolling them with the water bottle? Yeah.
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You got to when you're on a bike, but when I go to an event, I get thirsty in the car, so I'll bring some shit, but I'll bring i'll usually bring like a sparkling water thing. When did it happen to you?
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Once I realized the impact to my breath, and then I think there were some studies ah just just generally about the lack of hydration of in America, but if you drink water, you usually have some fresh breath unless you have some other burgeoning halitosis issue.
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i You keep saying that. I need to do some research. You think a lot of bad breath problems can be solved by hydration? Absolutely. Dude, I can think of now in the last few months, like maybe three or four situations, i'll say people, where I'm like, how does this fucker not know that his his breath is always rank?
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That I have some empathy for because I think people do have some conditions and it's not always diagnosed. I think people do have conditions that you should, you know, I feel bad because it would it suck.
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You think Colorado has a higher rate of bad breath because dryness? More dehydrated people? That's a good question. I'm not sure. It is a hard-hitting question. I'm not sure. That's a good one.
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Man.
Style & Practicality in School Accessories
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Water bottle epidemic. What, uh, what it used to roll with the backpack though. Like in high school used to have, it was like a bag kind of like a, like a, I don't know what do you call Duffel bag.
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Yeah. What was in that bitch? You always jacked on like food, fruit, right? Yeah. Extra food, gym clothes, because I would sweat a lot. Was it more of a show thing?
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A duffel bag? Was it part of your aura? You had a unique style going in high school. Yeah. I was wondering if that was that was ah premeditated or the duffel Well, you could have went with like a backpack or something. The duffel bag was it it would it ended up being kind of a statement piece, whether you meant to or not. That's what I'm asking.
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Yeah, no, I don't see how it would have enhanced my style. I think there was a minimalism with kids carrying books. Like the the some kids are just desperate to never have a backpack. I think that that's still the case where it's like, I just want to carry ah a book or the absolute minimum my hat I need.
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i don't know what that's about. one i was So in the duffel bag, you had, there were books in there. That was part of That was like getting class to class. ah Yeah, for sure. But mostly it was workout clothes, having changing clothes, because I didn't have a car, so I wasn't getting back anywhere.
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Extra food. Mm-hmm. Did you bust that up in college? you but I don't think you probably could have done that at the Prep Academy, right? I don't know. Maybe you could. But did you do that once you got to your second college? Were you duffel bag guy? Did you make the switch?
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I think I got to the point where I just carried books. What did I? Do you remember what I did? I don't remember how I got around. I've never saw you go to class when I was up there.
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I feel like i would have been the I would have been trying to take like one notebook maximum and just holding it my hand, losing pieces of paper, losing shit over and over again.
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But college, interesting. Yeah, that's a good
College Roommate Stories & Community Building
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question. I thought, I thought that was my segue, dog. Why are you laughing? Yeah. yeah I set you up with that, dude.
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did you Did you use that back in college, Lance? Well, I could have made fun of you there for a shit segue, but I thought I might smooth it out. oh We know some of our listeners would have liked it.
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We know that. That whole matriculation process is quite varied for people. It can be absolutely miserable. The first move out of the house, so to speak. Yeah, I don't remember the option to pick roommates in in in our era. Maybe that was the case where you went, but I rolled in, and actually I rolled in because I dropped out of it. One school went to another, but I rolled in like mid-semester. I got roomed with some, I hope they never listened to this, but some fucking weird dudes. In fact, my first roommate, years after he moved out, apparently committed suicide.
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Wait, where's this? This is their at second stop or this is the prep academy? Second stop. Okay. But you you were friends with the dude or this was random placement? It was random placement. Totally random. And I mean, i was I'm friendly to whoever, but i'm he was struggling.
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He was struggling. Dude, you went through the – I think if you if you go if you come in late, I can't remember when you transferred, if it was after your first year or second semester, but you get thrown to the wolves. They're just like, here, take this bucket. It was like you you got tossed to somebody who got rejected first semester three times or some shit. That kind of happened to me too.
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Was that the case? Kind of. And i and the kid was gay, and i don't he didn't come across that way necessarily. He talked about it, but – I don't want to use that as any sort of comedic launching point because this' there's a lot of empathy here. But the dude fucking, he was talking about this old Asian guy he was dating. It just wasn't...
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my vision of my first roommate experience. And then when I'm still in college, I learned that you know he had committed suicide, which was like, it was a a devastating thing to process at that age.
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nice Nice kid. I made him laugh all the time. With jokes about straight guys wanting to suck cock. Where is he from? Do you remember? I don't remember. I just know he was struggling. It wasn't, and you know, as as much as we like to think, you know, everybody's gay now and everybody's trans and it's all good. Back in that era in the 90s, like people still didn't come out.
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I had two other roommates. Another one of those dudes came out gay like two years later at school. I make all the guys want to go gay. Wow, dude. Wow, dude. Wow, dude. And then I think, what was I guess not that this is where this conversation needs to go, but you kind of found yourself up there through the rugby team. It seemed like all your friends that I met that you were friends with were rugby dudes.
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in my slight depression and you were processing what happened at the air force a little probably a little bit a little bit and trying to figure out what's going on here what the fuck you did yeah why am i here and this dorm room is awful but i uh yeah i grabbed some guy was handing out rugby flyers and i was like oh shit i can do this because you know i knew there was some tackling really that's how you got into rugby a flyer a flyer so i showed up that's awesome yeah At the time, there were I had no friends up there, not a single one. Really?
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i didn't even know who else was there because I just, yeah, I came in a midway. So I didn't know who else was up at the school. Eventually, I saw people from our high school. Yeah, but that that transition, like, I think it happened to me, but you got like three weeks to get a bunch of shit together and then move your whole life.
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Yeah, and I didn't even have anyone to sit with at lunch. So be sitting with these dudes to the dorm room, and they had developed some other side friends that were not my bag, bro. And then I played rugby, and then I and instantly met one dude, and then it was like I was following him around, but the dude was a total idiot, and it just was a tough semester. And then, of course, L.A. became the legend that he is.
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That's what I was just about to say. i didn't i didn't see the middle. I just saw LA senior year duffel bag outfit. was clowning. And then I saw you pick up this rugby crew and it looked like you were you were running the same same racket.
00:11:37
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Yeah, it took a while though. It was a struggle. but those So my first, I call my first real college semester, because it was in the fall. I didn't find good roommates. I actually stayed with this kid that was from a small town. And this kid had long hair and he he would make up t-shirts and shit. And one of the famous ones was he would write on it, I'm a lesbian. And he thought that was like ironic.
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So, you know, as ah as a way of saying I like women and just just a fucking tool bag, dude. I think it was so bad with. i wonder if I met that kid. So bad with him that I found my friend from high school midway through. I got I was able to leave because that kid was fucking weird, bro.
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So you went you this is second semester, i guess, essentially your freshman year is when you had the the kid who committed suicide. And then I don't remember if you stayed up there for the summer. Then first semester, sophomore year.
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You're playing rugby. Things are going good, but you still got a random roommate, and and he was sketchy, too. Technically, yeah. It was technically my freshman year, and and then i halfway through that, I moved in with one of my friends. And then when did the bungalow happen? That was the next year? That happened the next year.
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You didn't see any of the struggle. Well, since you you know you I think your your son is about to go through some of this shit, what is it are you happy now like that you went through that bullshit sort of all the bouncing around, and did it make the rest of your college life like cooler because you're like, oh, finally, or are you like, fuck that? No. It would have been nice to just be in a comfortable place right right out of gates.
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I think in retrospect, it was good because I tend to be very critical, judgmental. it was good to see some circumstances that weren't ideal and to have ah like a little more, um empathy isn't the right word, but flexibility in dealing with different people, like different random people. And it helped me when I played music because you're always confronted with a freak or a weirdo or somebody who says some stupid shit.
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Wow. Yeah, then you found your legs, and you you were with a hard-rockin' crew there, like, for a while. You guys were down to party. You come down to Boulder. I don't know if it was, like, party is the right word, but you guys, it was, like, a at least the motocross dude who who I think was from Junction. Was it Derek? Darren? Darren?
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Darren, yeah. he He matched you in energy, so you guys could. Oh, he was worse. Well, I'm just saying you had somebody who would be like, let's do it. It was like any idea, let's do it. And he would do it. yeah And so I don't know if that's where you found your legs or that was too much. And then those dudes from, I believe, Philadelphia were cool too. But ah yeah, then you seem like everything fell into place and it went pretty well.
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Yeah, then the network was big and had the rugby crew, had ah the band guys. Yeah. Did you ever you ever think about playing ball up there? Like you never considered walking – I don't know what you would have done, transferred, walked on? I don't remember. they have a team?
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Yeah, they had a team. Yeah. But yeah yeah, they won the Division II National Championship, right? Yeah. Twice in my year. And I went up there to play, actually. And I just when I got there, talked to the coach. He's like, man, you got to put your weight back on. You got small.
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And I just was like, just like, fuck this. They were they were after you out of high school probably too, right? They had known about you. and Yeah, I think so. I just i had um had my sights a little higher, which made no sense. I mean, I think that would have been a great fit.
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I do remember talking to you back then, though. I don't know. I think I might have went through this in a couple different stages of my life, but I remember like when you decide to hang it up, you almost kind of talk yourself into it. So I remember you going...
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I never even fucking liked football. or That was kind of your sentiment was like, it was something was good at, and it but I'm like, what why, this is not really me. Why, why am going to keep doing this? I got the idea. Now in hindsight, I don't know if you really feel that way. I mean, now you don't even really care about football.
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No, I do. I do feel that way. I think football was not a huge joy. What I loved about it was the status. I love the status. Like right in middle school when I started playing football and if you're a good athlete and then people know you play football and other guys know, and, uh, I,
00:15:38
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Rats you up a few points on the scale, right? right Yeah, and i needed I needed to show I was tough because I was a sensitive kid, insecure. Dad wasn't around. Wow, dude. Yeah, I needed it.
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so so So I think it was a great fit, but I can't imagine. you know We know some people that continue to play at semi-pro into their thirty s they love They love football.
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They love it. They really love it. And I couldn't imagine putting a fucking helmet on. Can you imagine putting a helmet on right now? God damn. Same with rugby. Like guys kept playing. I was like, for me, it was like. I thought you love rugby actually. Was it just kind of scene? You just like the camaraderie, the, all that kind of shit?
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It just was a great college experience because the rugby culture is crazy. The people that come around to hang with rugby guys, nobody fucks with you because they all think you'll like fucking bite their ear off or something. It's just a great culture to not be in a frat and have some togetherness. But no, to sit in that, you know, in your 20s and still booze right after a game. Like I just was like, nah, not going keep playing. i was I was probably good enough though. Yeah. There's a bunch of people here that play rugby because it's it's a big thing in France. So we have a lot like there's a lot of French people around us because of my kids school and there's adults are still playing rugby out there just getting fucking destroyed. It's pretty it's pretty crazy.
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But that was that was your frat in a way. in a non-frat way, but that was the frat. So, you feel like, your son's probably, that's the great thing about playing sports in college is all the the weird adversity and awkwardness. Like, right away, you're part of something, and you have some respect. But it also might, like, sort of, I don't know, sort of shallow, like, put a shallowness to your college experience or something, if you let it. If you're just like, I'm just a jock basketball player or something like that, you know?
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Yeah, I think it's a gift. Absolutely. if If you're not like heads down all about that one thing. But i think it's a gift to come in and first off to stay fit in a time when you're you know your impulses can run wild. Like nobody's telling you, hey man, ice cream doubled up every night before you go to bed. That's just going to get you a little chunky, bro. Nobody's telling you that shit. He's going to eating in the dorms.
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Yeah. That's pretty sweet. I mean, he must be pretty excited.
College Challenges & Social Dynamics
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Yeah, it'll be good. I mean, we brought this up because, I mean, I do feel, I know that millions of kids, and i don't know how many kids go to college every year. I'm going to say hundreds of thousands of kids are going to have a rough go.
00:18:04
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It's going to feel tough. It's going to be weird. There's going some weird people. You're going to get pulled into some shit that you're like, what the fuck? Some parties where you're just like, how did I end up here? And you can't escape because somebody else drove, but you went with some me mi rando.
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Like all that shit happened to me where I'm just like, how did i get here? What am I doing? Yeah, it's ah it's a weird mix college. You're seeking out these things and simultaneously being like, what the fuck? But you're also like, I got to get there. I know it's going to be sweet.
00:18:30
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I mean, i think I will got too excited. like when i think of Because I had the same thing. I went and played baseball, which actually I have really good memories of that, even though the experience like with my coach was a little rough. Yeah. They brought in a new coach. and I have great memories of of that. Just like hanging out with the baseball team in ah in a town of fucking nothing to do. But I had like great memories of that.
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and ah My roommate was like a kid that I played summer baseball with. We like traveled around the country together in some all-star team. and He went to Aurora Gateway. and Him and this other kid were the fucking troublemakers of the team. like Starting huge brawls in the middle of Oklahoma. 15 15.
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bras in front of our hotel, blowing up shit in the hotel room. all wait like My first gravity bong was in the bathroom at the at one of our road trips. But I was like, well, let's be roommates.
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and But it was cool because I rolled in i kind of knew someone. And this guy was like, sweet he's a sweet person, but ah one of the most negative people I've ever met. And I i kind of liked it.
00:19:34
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And I think so we were a good mix because he would he would he wouldn't get he fucking hated everyone and one and like would be ready to fight. But I think he just found me short fuse, just kind of like what you might expect coming out of gateway where you're kind of watching your back a lot where it's like, Oh, you want you fucking looking at me.
00:19:51
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And, uh, and then he had a girlfriend back home that he really liked. Yeah. I mean, but I think what I regret, i don't, i don't want to say i regret, but I had a girlfriend who you knew i out out of high school and I wish, I mean, I don't want to feel bad for her, but I probably was like all in the back of my mind, I always had this idea of a college experience and and And that was probably something I fucking saw in Animal House or something stupid. Like, it's got to be, like, this wild, fun, youthful thing. And and so that's not that's not a good mix to have a girlfriend.
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And I'm not, like, a player anything, but, like... Yeah, you were holding yourself back. A little bit. But I was in the middle of fucking nowhere. You never came down to La Junta, did you? No. Who would, bro? Who would? Yeah. Nobody.
00:20:33
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Nobody. But I want to say that a dude from Gateway pulled a gun on me and some friends in high school. That that just tells you what Gateway was all about. So the friend you're talking about, I know what you're saying, bro. he had You were probably there. I had a party in Boulder he showed up to.
00:20:50
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And some football players from CU showed up the party, were kind of being dicks. And he fucking was had a knife and was like ready to – I was like, all right, take it easy, bro. But, I mean, i didn't blame them. some of Some of the entitled football players were fucking dicks. but um But, dude, you wouldn't believe the the and like the teenage energy and racial tension in the dorm for a while at at where I was because the whole bat the whole basketball team... I've talked to you about this because I've talked to you about your song playing at a Juco. The time when I was at that school, the
00:21:25
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The basketball team was like a national powerhouse for junior college. And every dude on the team, most of the team, like 80% of the team were black from a hood. And they were there because of grades.
00:21:37
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But they were all going, you know, Texas A&M, Alabama, Arizona State. And then the baseball team was ah like whites and Mexicans. And it was less like the dumbest shit, but there'd be like huge fights all the time.
00:21:49
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Really? Yeah, it was crazy. And then, I mean, all the white white bitches were going to town on the basketball team. It was like, it was a mess, dude. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was crazy. But then, ah you know, that was like, they they were ready to party.
00:22:03
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The women, the the basketball players in the volleyball. It was just like a dorm full athlete. So it was like on one side, a bunch of guys, hoops team, baseball team. the other side was like hoops, female hoops and volleyball. So who would you who would you have had a chance with?
00:22:17
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Like what what girl? Because you said you didn't want your girlfriend. what What type of girl? We're talking volleyball chick? We talking... I think I probably could have done fine down there. I don't know. But who? like what what what kind of what What kind of race?
00:22:30
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White, black? ah there wasn't there wasn't There wasn't a lot of sisters down there. the The men's basketball team was black. The women's team was... I can't explain it, but maybe a lot of them were like ah ah the Rick, what we call Rick, like a boy, like a male, a female Rick type girl.
00:22:46
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White girls that weren't good students. They'd be wearing like starter jackets and shit. Yeah. Like what the fuck? But then there was a lot you know, we're in La Honta. So they would recruit local. They recruit like Southern Colorado. So it'd be a lot of guys and girls from like the middle of fucking nowhere.
00:23:01
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They were good athletes. One of the dude on my baseball team at the time, I'd like the state rushing record on like a, some place called Fowler, which is, i don't know if six man or eight man or whatever, but he rushed for like 4,000 yards and he was a horse, man. He was like, grew up on the, on the farm. Yeah.
00:23:17
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But, I mean, i was i you know i was the same as always. like I ended up becoming friends a lot of basketball players. There were three dudes or a couple dudes that went that played at Hinkley, and they were friends with some of my friends. that i we played I don't know if you remember their linebacker, Ryan...
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brian dennehy or someone's a good athlete he was your yeah your uh nemesis yeah so i played summer baseball with him so i i was friends all the hinkley guys so was able to kind of you know but like there would be these huge fights and i'd go over to a couple of those guys and be like what the fuck dude and they'd be like nah man you those dudes they started and i'd be like i don't think so but we were it was pretty funny anyways it was just crazy like you think about how dumb people are Yeah, they grew up that way. even Do you remember we had to have cops escort our bus out of the Hinkley Stadium?
00:24:04
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I'm not saying the either any either side was dumb. i'm not saying basketball player. I'm just saying how dumb are 18-year-olds, 19-year-olds, where you're just like, oh, yeah, fuck you, and then everyone's got to be tough. You've got to assert yourself so everyone's taking their side. and You're just like, what is going on, right?
00:24:19
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Privileged kids don't act that way because there's no need to. I have like a sense of security or like built into that. Yeah. There's always that in those, those neighborhoods. Yeah. Which I grew up with rich boy.
00:24:32
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and you might have been the dude You might have been the bridge, dude. There's two there's two bridges like in that. There's someone like me, and no one's really going get pissed at me. And there's someone like you who might be like, oh, this white boy, huh?
00:24:44
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Who can tell that you have that ghetto stink on you, so you get some respect, you know? So they're like, all right. you know I mean, even in high school, you were friends with some of those hood rats.
00:24:55
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Anyways. Yeah, so when I made the move like you did, i went from down there, it stopped playing baseball, and and I went to Colorado. I walked into the dorm and was with some fucking sketchball.
00:25:08
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And I'm like, what is going on here? It was like total geek. But then somebody someone i talked to somebody who had lived there. I got up there a little early. It was probably like January 13th, and you know, school started January 17th, but he was already there. There was like no one around him. Someone's like, yeah, that guy's kind of weird. People are always wondering. He has like a secret code on his door and that.
00:25:25
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And then, so I went and asked like the RA, can i so I went and I got a, ah they're like, oh, there's a room that's unoccupied. So I got my own room. I'm all fucking, I'm like, this is dope. And two days later, Nate knocks on my door, six five black dude with like Mars Blackman glasses. Did you ever meet him?
00:25:43
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I think so, yeah. and Who was a nice guy we we had We were friends, but he was like, he just was, you know, a black dude at em Boulder who was on the football team. who he He had transferred from ah Norman, from from University of Oklahoma, and he was just not, that was not his place.
00:26:00
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And he was just like, dude, we, you know, down in Norman, there was like eight outdoor basketball courts and everyone's hanging out playing ball. And and I was like, yeah, dude, Boulder. It's not, that it's not a great place for, for like anyone except for rich granola hippies.
00:26:16
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But, uh, but he, and then he had his girlfriend and they, and I'd be hanging and they'd be like, listen to slow jams in the room. And I'd be like, I'm going bounce out of here, Nate. Do what you got to do.
00:26:27
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But ah he knocked on the door. He's like, man, he had the same thing happen to him. He's like, man, I i walked in. they They sent me this room, and this guy had like a red screen over the light, so all the lights were red in the room. And I was like, I got to go. I was like, all right, dude. It's pretty funny.
00:26:43
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but That's funny. i It reminds me of like, I don't even know how – I actually jerked off. Must have been how, you know, when you learn to use a sock.
00:26:54
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That must have been what I did. i mean, that's not unique to having weird roommates. That's just like your first time here. I mean, maybe maybe people that live in the same bedrooms or siblings or something like that. Yeah, but being in the same room, it's just, it's, you probably sneak it in quick. That's exactly probably what I did. It's like, you know, know nobody's home. You're getting comfortable with their class schedule. You're like, hey guess who's got history class today? See you in 45 minutes, bro.
00:27:18
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Go get them. Yeah, I probably only needed 30 seconds then. That was the great thing. And then anything could get me horny. A two, a two. Like ah ah like a concept.
00:27:30
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An idea. Like a thigh. And you're like, oh. Do you think ah you you think you were in the you think you were in the right place? i mean, in hindsight, I don't really care. There's people that have very fond memories of college and shit, but...
00:27:43
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Do you think you're in the right, you ended up in the right place for you? In some ways, yeah. I mean, I tried to transfer, i conceptually I tried to transfer out of there several times because I thought the school was a piece of shit. But a couple of things happened. I'm an insecure kid coming, kind of transitioning into being a responsible citizen from like maybe a a guy you weren't sure, an unpredictable kid.
00:28:04
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And the economics department was small. So the professors accessible kind of knew me accessible. So I like that about it. I don't know that I could have had that in Boulder. I don't know that you had that Boulder. You had some different friends, but that's just such a unique school.
00:28:19
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Yeah. um Well, that's why I was asking because I don't feel like I like it. I like it. and i But i don't i didn't I never felt like it was like my place. It's a good school. And I met some really amazing people there. But I'm like, i don't know if that's the right place.
00:28:33
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But in the end, again, I don't fucking care. i mean, look at my friend group coming out of there, though. It's pretty crazy. Like, a very different people. Like, Paul, Adam, Brian, Chris,
00:28:45
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I'm throwing out last names now. You have to edit all that out. But like all those people are ah are very different than like any of you guys, you know, anyone I knew i knew in high school, any of my jock baseball friends, any of my snowboard friends.
00:29:00
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it it's It's kind of weird. but But I think it was like all the people, well, maybe not Chris, but maybe some of the other people were like, where like Because, oh, you know, Paul actually had the same path as you. he He went to the academy and then was like, fuck this and ended up in Boulder. So, I mean, some of it was just we were kind of like a couple losers hanging out. like They came in late and had no friends.
00:29:21
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Yeah, it was a weird the vi overall vibe. it felt It felt like something I wanted to burn down. He almost did a few times. Remember when there was all those like riots and shit you for that? There was like nights of riots. But the cool thing about Boulder is if you want to fuck around, like we were just running around. There's like the hill and there's all that area. I mean, I guess every college has this area, but it's a pretty fun place to just run around because you have like Pearl Street and have the hill and like all that in between there is just debauchery if you want it to be. you know
00:29:53
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Yeah, I feel it's become just another corporate elite hellhole at this point. It's still aesthetically beautiful, and and the way the school sits against the hill, it's it's striking, but it's um it's not for me at this point. So I don't know that it would have been for me at all.
00:30:10
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but The clothes that I had, but they just were... they were fucking Yeah, I was wondering about that. Was UNC, don't remember, is that a financial move on your part? Like, is was UNC cheaper? Or is it always cheaper? Yeah, it was.
00:30:23
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It was a lot cheaper, yeah, at the time. And you were kind of like, work i i think you were like, when you came out of the the academy or whatever, you were like working, trying
Balancing College Life: Jobs & Athletics
00:30:32
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to save with some money. and I was working, but you know was it it was a type of place you could take out student loans and get it done and not feel like the loans were crazy.
00:30:43
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Got that escort station wagon and it was all on, boy. i got a job, dude, to pay for some some extras, but it was it was it was good times. I don't even know if this, this probably sounds ridiculous, but it's like, I'm almost like, i probably should have enjoyed it more.
00:30:59
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Which sounds stupid to say because my only purpose was like enjoying. Although, I don't know. I mean, i did I did good in school. Do you remember I had that? I worked at a bank for like two years. I'd fucking show up in a tie and work at a bank. And I would someday, some like Saturday mornings, I'd be like, wake me up if any customers come.
00:31:15
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just be I'd be still fucking baked and drunk. and like yeah But I did at least show up. It's a strange ah moment in life in that you're pulled in a lot of different directions. Like you wanna develop a sense of seriousness and focus.
00:31:32
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And this is for an average kid, right? I'm not talking about the locked in academic or future doctor or whatever. But the average kid, you're like, I don't wanna be a piece of shit, but God, dude, i don't wanna let this pass by and not enjoy it.
00:31:45
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The parties and the and the goofiness and the trim. i think that's the problem. and i And that's why I keep telling my kids and I can tell they're already like, well, fuck you, you did it. But I keep telling them like, i mean, I'm trying not to tell them it's a waste of money and time to go to the school in the US because I'm like, it's just a bunch of people having fun partying it unless you really know what you want to do. And they're just like, yeah.
00:32:09
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Like, that's exactly why we want to go. But I'm like, ah I think the culture now is like, I think they we pushed it too hard where the college experience, that that's what it's about now, the college experience and not like, oh oh yeah, it's school. It's actually school.
00:32:25
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You're going to school. It's like the college experience. And I think that might be, and parents, it's the same thing where parents feel guilty. Like somebody else has given their kid the college experience and they saved up for it and that crap. Like, it's it's kind of funny. It is. Well, and I think a lot of kids envision the sports. Like, I'm going to be at the stadium going crazy with my friends. And it's like, well, not anymore because you'll probably be on a waiting list and get into like one out of every six games. It's just everything is...
00:32:54
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I know, but isn't isn't even that crazy? And I know I was that guy. I was that guy. And I and i was like, I want to fucking go to the game. and But it's just crazy that that's like that's the point. But yeah, it ends up not... I don't know if you... I thought it was fun. You took me to a couple games, I think. Yeah, we had a great time. I thought...
00:33:09
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I thought it was fun, but it was like not what I needed from the experience. I think what we ultimately got, and so hopefully this is for our kids too, is that you began to kind of put a governor on your impulse control a little bit and realize what works and what doesn't.
00:33:25
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Everything from personal hygiene, you know sleep, substances, food, right how you treat other people to executing in the classroom or or thinking about your future. Learning how to munch, dude.
00:33:42
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Yeah, exactly. ah youre yeah yeah And to some extent, like, yeah, do you want the aftermath of some sort of drunken chick? So you're saying that's but that is valuable.
00:33:53
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That's one thing the U.S. is is offering is that learn how to be yourself, be an adult. I'm not saying, maybe not just the U.S. I think that's that's a pretty fair point. It's like, well, what you get in the U.S. is ah sort of a bumper, you know, like bumper card adult experience or something like that.
00:34:11
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Yeah, you do. I think you do. I think it can be a good thing, especially in the era of helicopter parenting, where we really did fuck up our kids and none of them feel confident to do anything. I mean, I didn't do that with my kids, but the kids have to call mommy and daddy every day or three times a week and all that shit.
00:34:28
Speaker
Yeah, i' um I never fucking did that at all, dude That was such a different time. Like I didn't, a lot of people went home. I was cracking on them then. I was like, what the fuck are you going home for? What's at home? I gotta do my laundry. what What are you talking about?
00:34:42
Speaker
There's a laundry room right here, dickwad. They just wanted to go home because they're pussies and they couldn't get any trim on the weekend. Just kidding. I make it sound like it was just constant sex. It really was probably ends up being like a handful of times.
00:34:55
Speaker
That's so funny. i i um that There is something about it, but it's like, where would you get that somewhere else that like living living by yourself? What I like about it more than somebody that kind of lives on their own or whatever. What I like about is there's a sense of hope.
00:35:11
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within a university system of the future's bright, there's options and opportunities. And so everybody kind of approaches the day to day with some level of glee. I'm not saying there isn't depression, anxiety there. It's just saying there is that aspect of it. It's like, what are you doing when you graduate? I fucking know yet, bro. I'm gonna figure it out. So there's there's a sense of like, it's gonna be okay still.
00:35:35
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Whereas i can, if I'm in an apartment and I'm working a minimum wage job and I just am not, I'm not bettering myself or at least doesn't feel like I am, I might be learning some things. I just not translating that learning. Right. right The same, it's the same situation basically, but with note, with one for some reason has hope and the other one doesn't because you're a fucking broke loser in college. You're a broke loser without it. But for some, for some reason there, it's cool.
00:35:59
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Yeah. And I think society validates you for at least getting the credential, but it doesn't seem like, Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's all the same, but it doesn't seem like because it's become sort of inaccessible, not many people are going to have the experience that you had where you had to figure it out for yourself with loans and not and all that shit. And maybe not even what I had, which even then my parents were like, well you should get a job if you want to if you want to go out and do stuff. So I always had a job in college.
00:36:23
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And i what I see, i don't really see that happening. Of course, the top half of society, yes, all that will will be great. I mean, I'm guessing your son, but I don't even know. It's hard for an athlete to get a job, but like, is you going to be like go get a job?
00:36:38
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Are you going to be like, no, just enjoy your experience and I'll help you out? Or have you not, you're not even thought about it? Well, he doesn't even get Thanksgiving off, and then he has four days. because Because they're playing?
00:36:48
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ben Yeah, and he gets four days over a Christmas holiday. so No, he doesn't really have time. So he just saves some money in his summer job, and I'm good with that. high He's got a summer job. That's dope.
00:37:00
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Dude, that's crazy. That's a funny thing about college athletics too, is like, it seems it's so important for some reason, you know, where it's like the the sacrifice is huge.
00:37:10
Speaker
But I feel for the kids, ah I don't think so going to school for sports is going to solve it. I think you might be up against some reality checks if when it comes to rushing for a frat. think there's going to be some serious, or a sorority, there's going to serious disappointments.
00:37:26
Speaker
you might get some real shitty weird friends to start. You might just have to suck it up. And all your dreams aren't going to come true. all All the fucking high GPAs to try to get into whatever school, it still comes down to like, what connections do I have? And am I excited about what I'm doing?
00:37:40
Speaker
Do I have access to a wood slab supplier? Yes or no? Motherfucker. So we'll see. We'll see how this generation deals, bro. I think the the nice thing about sports is you kind of learn, yeah you could, or you could, it could get crush you. was like, you learn that you're probably better off When you're busier, like we we we you and you can either take being busy as a i got too much to do or you can take it as like, I just got to be or organized with my time.
00:38:06
Speaker
Like you said, he doesn't have a lot of time. Like he's pretty fucking busy. he doesn't have vacation. He's probably going to be practicing a few hours a day. Now everything's like weight room, all that kind of shit. Like, ah you know, you got to be good with your time or or it's really, really tough to stay afloat.
00:38:21
Speaker
yeah It didn't work for me. Like I am very scheduled type of person. Struggled in the corporate world. Why I want to retire early. I just like the the the consistency, of the monotony, not for me. I don't think I could have done a non-club college sport and been successful like every day.
00:38:38
Speaker
I would love to see you like with, I don't know, Nick Saban or something. You're like, coach, um I would like to do practice at 1030 today. And like Tuesday, Thursdays from six to eight, coach.
00:38:51
Speaker
I must have been such a fucking geek in college. Geek? Yeah. Why? I don't know. I just think that I just feel like it's kind of cliche, but like what I didn't know, not that I know now. And I'm like, what are the things i that I thought or just seem ridiculous?
00:39:10
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Like what? You thought what? knew you were going to ask a follow up, but.
00:39:17
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I don't know. I don't i don't have like a great example off the top. my well I mean, just in general, like you're probably more wiser, educated, more like relaxed, more problem-solving oriented, have better perspective, better sense of who you are than you do when you're 18 or 19 or you're trying to be somebody you're not or trying to impress people for no reason.
00:39:37
Speaker
I don't think I was terrible at all that stuff, but I know I was worse than I am now. and I just think about like, ah, boy, why did I give a fuck about anything, you know? Yeah, I would hope that you've grown. Yeah, but we all we had some really misguided fantasies.
00:39:54
Speaker
i don't Did you ever like think about places you would work? And like if some some adult told me, hey, you should really get a job at AIG, the insurance company, or something like that. be like, AIG is a great company. I just start spouting it off to friends. Like I'll probably work at AIG.
00:40:13
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I don't even know, first off, what the fuck AIG does. I know they do insurance, but I don't know what the jobs are like. It's just three letters. Yeah, that's the mindset that I had at least, which is no, i didn't have a ton of curiosity about the details. Just I had to just check the boxes, do what I needed to do.
00:40:34
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That's not, that's a kid that doesn't come from like a pedigree or or from a focused family. That's just like, know, you're going to flounder and you hope things work out. I feel like I had a disdain for like people that valued that adult life so much. And I remember when I found Chris and friends that wanted to move move to Vail and kind of not fucking dive into the real world, I was like i felt like empowered in hindsight.
00:41:00
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Like we were some rebels in a way. you know And I like never got over it. I'm like I never wanted to dive back in you know even when I went out moved back down to Denver was just to do stand-up because of your dumbass and Then I fucking worked at Bennett's for a while and and but then that that started the spiral like what am I gonna do to support myself How old were you? Because it was pretty shocking given, you know, your upbringing and like that that your you know dad had like a C-suite type experience that you were floundering. It felt like till what, 26? Was it 20? Was it that old? 46, dude, I would say. ah No, I don't know if I was floundering. I mean, i if I wasn't for stand-up, I would have stayed up there.
Post-College Pursuits & Financial Pressures
00:41:44
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if i'd be I'd be fine.
00:41:45
Speaker
I would have been happy. No, I'm not. Okay, but it wouldn't have have met the ideal of what maybe your parents or what society would have expected out of you. You weren't like, i don't know, the CFO of he yeah a small a small cap company or something. But they never they never really, I never felt that for my parents. I do remember one time they were talking to one of our friends who was a pretty straight-laced guy who had ah had a plan, path, he was going to dental school.
00:42:11
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And they were talking about his older brother. We were probably 23 or 24 and his brother was kind of, not figuring it out. And then that would piss off our friend. And then I remember my dad saying something to my, our friend.
00:42:22
Speaker
And, uh, it was something like, well, you know, he's 25, 26. It's like, it's time for him to start to figure it out or something like that. Right. And i was like, what are you talking about? But that that's like, I don't remember him saying anything like that to me.
00:42:33
Speaker
There was always a little bit ah of, uh, I don't know, cool, I don't know, something like, oh, you're he's moving the veil, sweet. and and by my brother I don't know if you remember, my older brother had done the same thing.
00:42:44
Speaker
He kind of bounced around after college. He went up, lived in Snowmass and Aspen, and then he was like doing some tours, or like tourism tours, and then he ended up moving to New York. but ah So he set the he set the tone.
00:42:57
Speaker
but then you know And then when I started doing stand-up, that was like that was pretty intriguing to people, especially back then. it seems like now anybody can do stand-up, but it was like, cool. Well, maybe you're going to be, uh, fucking Bob Hope, huh?
00:43:10
Speaker
Huh? Yeah. So there was always a little bit of that glimmer of hope. And then I also socially was on like a path, i like a normal path. Cause I met my wife pretty young and we were going to get married. So some of the other shit that like kind of what people see is the way your life goes, which is like, get, get married, do this or that, have a serious relationship. That was, that was happening.
00:43:30
Speaker
Uh, Yeah, yeah. I think and in retrospect, and I hope this for the kids, although it feels scary to think think about that because it's harder to take care of yourself now financially. We got to we got to flounder and fuck around and and um pursue dreams.
00:43:46
Speaker
I think that's good. like Yeah, i wouldn't the only i my only regret might have been that i that I didn't do it for a little longer. I do feel bad ah for these kids because the...
00:43:57
Speaker
The costs, dude, or they're up there, man. They're really up there. Yeah. And a lot of them I've heard, I've read, i have a book, actually, i think I'm dabbling in here a little bit about this generation, particularly like the guys on the Gen Z, a little bit into the millennials, they just feel desperate. That's why they're doing all the options trading, crypto trading, prediction markets. They're just trying to hit it big to because there's no other way to get the status. you know The grind doesn't seem to pay off for a lot of people, especially as jobs get destroyed with tech type stuff. So it's a get rich quick mindset. It's going to blow up in their faces because that always does, but it's sad.
00:44:37
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I agree. I do. It's sad.
00:44:41
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I do think there's a bit of, um I don't know, like, I don't know what generation happened in, but the idea of grinding through the through the process that maybe we were comfortable with or or our parents' generations is lost on some people.
00:44:54
Speaker
Like, they want to walk in and be like, make money and be a high level and nobody has the patience just be like well stick around but there's also maybe not the path the obvious path now so so it's like why even try because there is no path because there is no path because there is no path i read on bathroom stall tina has a blood giant Billy are the fuck fat chicks I read it on a bathroom stall Pensacola is a hellhole Rachel Martin likes it up the ass I read it on a bathroom stall Matt is a piece of shit Lance is a piece of shit Dude, I fucking know Tina I'd fucking hit that bro