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If I Could Do It All Over Again
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In this POS Episode the boys try to determine what career they should have pursued.
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A Guitar Pick Mishap
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Why me? I was playing guitar and my pick fell into the guitar hole. I had to flip over the guitar and shake it over and over and over again until the pick fell out.
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Why me? Why me?
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You don't need no words to make a bad song.
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No, no, no, no, no.
Wealth and Courtside Envy
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Well, shit, dude. It was good to see the rich get to enjoy the brilliant Knicks comeback. I was happy to see Jerry Seinfeld up front and fucking Adam Sandler and all of the richest people in the world.
00:01:12
Speaker
How about buying a few tickets for the poor, you fucks? I wouldn't worry about it, dude. Yeah. Pretty historic comeback. Can't be worried about if Seinfeld's on the court.
00:01:24
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I'm glad he got to enjoy it. That'd be funny if nobody could do anything. It's like, so then the a poor person had to feel bad because he was there. Then he had to kick it down. So only people that were at the and NBA games were like those starving Ethiopian babies from the eighties.
00:01:41
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People that were allowed to go. They're they're actually a soccer fans. They're like, what the fuck? Yeah. Fuck soccer, dude. Fucking world cup starting. People are,
00:01:53
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flipping out, right? If I'm right, i don't know if Denver is a city, a World Cup city, but the the the tickets for some of the shit there is ah rich thing. Absolutely.
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It's ah everywhere, bro. So we don't need to rehash because we did a full 57 minutes of it, I think. Just so you know, dude, since you're you think it's only a U.S. s thing, like ah Costa Rica didn't qualify for the World Cup, is kind of funny.
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It's the easiest year ever because the the yeah the U.S., Mexico, and Canada got automatic bids. But when they are in the in the World Cup, rich Costa Ricans are going. It's not just the U.S. thing.
00:02:29
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The poor fucked everywhere. You know, the World Cup is like an upper-class event, basically, is what I'm telling you. Yeah. I hear you, bro. I hear you, guy. How's it feel to get shut down, dude?
00:02:40
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I just talked with you. Ooh, tuckered, dude. And you're in a real dark room. You're sort of menacing. Well, what you put your children in, a real fucking dungeon-looking room with two bare-bones bunk beds. No, I'm kidding, listeners. It's actually cozy.
00:02:56
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ah Dude, but let's get into the meat of this conversation. Let's not let the listener wait. That's fire, dude, because I got my kids' fucking school, like, changes schedules every day, and they're going to be here interrupting any second now, bro.
00:03:12
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ahs Really? Well, not not any second, but about an hour. okay. We're good, dude. All right, let's
Dreaming of New Career Paths
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hit it. What are we talking about? Well, I pitched the idea of, like, ah if you had to do it over again, which is a terrible path to go down job-wise, life-wise,
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what would you, what would you do? And part of it, part of it is like, I'm getting like, so like a lot of positive comments and vibes because, ah I started this, I didn't start, but you know, started this wood business, my friends and,
00:03:48
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And I've mentioned it a few times, this but I really don't care. Like, I don't get joy out of I'm not like an entrepreneur. and ah and but And I keep listening these podcasts like Lex Friedman, who has all these scientists and geeks on and people that are worried about the physics.
00:04:04
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And I just can't understand a word they're saying, but they seem so deep into what they chose for a career yeah that it's awesome. I'm jealous of that. And I'm like, man...
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I don't know what it is, but I'm like, if I, if I could go back and just be like, man, I'm an archeologist and I wear Velcro shoes and don't chase any trim. And I'm just into the bone, the dinosaur bones or, or enter enter enter, and through what do they called? Anthropologist.
00:04:29
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You barely masturbate. Yeah. Ever. Almost never need to. Cause you're so into shit. Yeah. Or, or the other thing is you're like the man in anthropology and you're getting all that anthropology trim and like, yeah,
00:04:42
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all that, you know, you're like a knowledgeable guy. And it's those type of women that are like, it's so sexy. He's so knowledgeable about, uh, Mesopotamian culture. He knows a lot about ancient pots. I want them to go down on me.
00:04:57
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Um, So I don't know. do you have a, do you ever think about, I hate to think about it. Cause if you do that, you know, you start to go back there and then you're like, well then I wouldn't have kids and then I wouldn't have this or that. Your whole life would be different.
00:05:08
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But yeah I do wish, well, what were you going to say? Sorry. I'll let you answer that. I want to throw a twist into it. Cause I want, I like this topic, by the way, so I didn't shoot it down over text. I'll have people know. I actually said, yeah, it sounds like a good idea, which is a rare thing when Matt offers an idea. Have we done this before, by the way?
00:05:27
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No, we have not. Okay. But here's the twist is knowing what we know about each other now, because we've been doing this three years, we have to tell the other person what we think would have actually been a viable career.
00:05:39
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We've been doing this for 35 years, bro. Let's be honest. but But not at this deep day-to-day level. So I get i have a more ah a greater sense of your idiosyncrasies and your lifestyle and your approach to life than I did in
Regrets of an Unpursued Career
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high school when we were talking shit about d*****s titties.
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I'll edit that out.
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And ah fucking drinking 40, so. Yeah, the second part of that I'll acknowledge. So I would say, yeah, come up with something for your friend that you thought would have been the career of his life.
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I think you might be, I mean, hold on. Oh, okay. Well, can we have like a, like you were, you wanted me to to go. No. Can we have a like a, a fucking framing here before you just like riff? It's not always a riff.
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It's sometimes you have to be methodical and structure the episode. So how about, what if I knew you were going to ask this and then I, and then you pause to check a text. Yeah. What if, what ah what if, what if I knew you were going to ask about that?
00:06:44
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That'd be sweet. Well, why don't you start when you ponder what you think you should do, but also just like realistic. Because I thought about this and I added like realistic things about my personality and about my tendencies to try to come up with a career that would have actually been viable. So it's not super dreamy.
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I do want to say, you know, the base for me is like, I don't feel like my parents were abnormal. Like, you know, that kind of push of doctor, lawyer, formidable,
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Like, go make money type thing or what are you going to for a living? But I think they're pretty normal as far as like, well, you got to think about what you're going to do for a living. and then But the society in general, even our friends or people we hung out with, it was like...
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go get, go make money. How do you make money? Right. And if you can't be an, it's like, okay, we can't be athletes. That was like the first line of defense, professional athlete from what, six to 15 or something like that.
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Uh, and so, but I, I just wish on top of all that, this dreamy shit is like, you know, I, I think, I feel like the idea, like I want to be an archeologist or something like that. I just feel like I remember the idea of like that. You can't make a living doing stuff like that. Or only three people in the world can do that.
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And I think if I would have known that it it is possible, maybe it would have broadened me a little bit. um It would have broadened your options, but archaeology specifically, is that an interest?
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Well, i'm ah I think like, I don't know if that's an interest. I do like history. I do like find these these things interesting. i'm more I'm more like interested in these people that are so into what they what they chose. Yeah.
00:08:25
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and not like fabricated and not fueled by the fact of financial success and what it brings them, just the actual thing of like, I do like, even people you'll find that love coding. I know you hate coding and and modern technology and everything, but like those people, I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Is this viewpoint for you more about you're curious why people are so into something or perhaps you're wondering why you're not?
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Well, I guess. No, I don't know. it's just a show topic, first of all. Got to talk about something. Yeah. Well, I mean, how many times do you allow yourself to go back, whether it's career or or relationships or life, where you're like, man, I wish I would have done this? Because I think you and me always get hung up on like, okay, what if we would have had experience?
00:09:11
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What if we would have went harder into our creative fields and just said, fuck everything, like like almost in a selfish way? but and But I think there's probably more to it than that for us. Yeah.
00:09:22
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Yeah. And i actually thought about this. I'm not sure you did, but I definitely did. So why don't I start? And then maybe I'll ah i'll help you out like I typically do. And since a listener says she likes when I fuck with you, that I'm just going to triple down on it this episode.
00:09:35
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You wanted that, dude. Yeah. By the way, i would will say it on air, the listener, she knows who she is, sent some nice messages about Lance making fun of me and how great it was. And I forwarded him to Lance because stroke his ego.
Balancing Creativity and Well-being
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And now it's like hellfire will rain down on me just for this one listener. Yeah, I've already done like four or five little slight micro digs. So it it feels good. I like to be validated. Okay, so I was trying to think about this, right? I could have gone down. I would have been a musician, but I have thought about all of the downsides of that road and the probability of success and the lack of money and so forth.
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ah What I concluded is based on all of the little things I've learned about myself over my life, and I don't know how you would get to this first off without experiencing life, but I i have settled on economic journalist would have been my first major in college was journalism.
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And you like the econ a lot too, right? Right. And when I, I, then I said, that's not practical. I went to business. I absolutely hated business. It was just too mechanical. And then I went into econ and I was like, I really love this. So I love, what I love about is the systems system's thinking and then the impact, uh, or at least, assessing the impact on everyday human beings.
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But I don't like to be an expert, truly be an expert. So I could have seen, i well I could envision ah a recreation of Lance where I go get a PhD, a quantitative light PhD in economics, and I become an economics and finance commentator and interview experts and sort of jazz it up a bit.
00:11:16
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I could have seen a career. I could see a career in that. And that would have been fun and interesting and analytical. And I also, i don't know that it would have kept me up at night because that's another problem with me. Like if I was doing my true dream would have been an SNL writer. And I think it would have been a miserable lifestyle for me. have been a very burnout lifestyle, probably like a lot of alcohol, just a lot of crazy shit that wouldn't have been sustainable for me. So I came to the very exciting career of economic journalist.
00:11:48
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Like you write for like Forbes or something like that or Wall Street Journal or the Denver Post or you're like, what's the visual version of that? If you're CNN, they still call themselves journalists, right? Yeah, you'd write for some magazine or like The Atlantic perhaps if you had an ideal career and then you'd go on CNBC and be somebody they interview about the trends. So you know...
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sort of first order, second order level research and more broad based trends. You're not one of the deep, deep experts because you don't really bring on deep, deep experts because they're boring. So you're trained in journalism. You're trained to talk and and you also know a lot about economics.
00:12:36
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I could see that. And then and maybe you get a touch of the creative and and entertainment side that that you like. Exactly. And so if I could get it a little more goofy and I could have had in my own lane, you know sneaking in things like finger bang.
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ah I would have had a lot of little, what do you call catch phrases. I'd had a lot of catch phrases, bro. I can guarantee that. I like it. You would make a point, I think, to use vagina, but use it in a positive, like something that's really tough and breeds life into humanity.
00:13:10
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you know um I was going to say for you, which I think is almost the same like a professor, like a college professor. I think i don't know like i think an elementary school or high school might be high school might be all right for you, but and like a college professor, I think, would touch some of the same things as what you just described.
00:13:28
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presented Like an economics professor or something like that or you know like I think you'd probably do well with that. yeah I can see you performing, keeping the class interested, staying engaged. I think our listeners probably all had a big chuckle when you said you don't want to be an expert on stuff.
00:13:44
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Come on, bro. Well, I don't. ah That's where the self-deprecation comes in. But but I really thought about the in the individual, like the idiosyncra the idiosyncrasies I have. and So i was like, if I'm overstimulated, I'm not going to sleep, which is going to send me into sort of a mental spiral.
00:14:04
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If I'm under stimulated, I'm gonna ruminate. And so this is a nice balance of like, okay, so there might be a deliverable, but it's not constant, like a article or I need to go on this show or whatever, it's occasional.
00:14:19
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It's a decent salary, but it keeps you locked in. to society and and the analytical thinking that I enjoy without destroying my personal life.
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So I think you sounds like you, you you're like, ah, that's reasonable. Could you do that now? Not to to close the loop, but like, is there any way to do that now? already even want to. i mean, I know this was a a walk down the past, but.
00:14:45
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Well, I think you had recommended or said, maybe we should do a blog tied to this podcast. I said that. Oh, we should do some writing tied to this podcast. And then that's where it stopped.
00:14:59
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I could have done an article like the veil is not for you. Let the rich have it and blah, blah, blah, blah. Before last week's episode to just sort of have a sister product related to this.
00:15:13
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So I could do something like that. But no, in general, that's not something I could just slip into right now. Well, I think what people would do would take your ideas and write about them on some social media thing and look for likes.
00:15:25
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you could You could do something like that, some writings. So you don't have ah to close the loop on Lance. No physical, like no physical like I don't know, like aspirations of something being tied to like some sort of physicality.
00:15:40
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like a Colorado hiking guide or, you know, I don't know. I don't even know what's physical, but besides being an athlete, but anything like that intrigue you? i Yeah. I thought about it in the context of like the things I was exposed to. So like when I delivered ice, I was sort of a working man and there was a physical aspect to getting all the ice upstairs into restaurants and so forth.
00:16:02
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And that wasn't it. ah That wasn't the one. That wasn't the one. But it also like that manual labor. I think if even in the construction industry as sort of a project manager, i don't know, it felt dumbed down.
00:16:17
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And I'm not trying demean anybody. It just felt like not the intellectual stimulation. Yeah, it's not the space I would want to exist in day to day, although i did appreciate I do appreciate manual labor.
00:16:30
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It's just not where I could survive on a long-term basis.
Creative Community Ventures
00:16:34
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Because I think ah you, I could, I was just thinking I could see you as like ah like a ski instructor or something like that. and I know we're trashing Vale, but I could see you like having fun with some people.
00:16:45
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Like it might be, you know, private coaching or something like that. It's kind of physical because I could see you doing that too. I know it was against everything you believe in private coaching, all that shit, but I could see that as like a nice space for you.
00:16:57
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Yeah. Where you're helping somebody with, you know, get better. Although you're right. Working exclusively with rich people to do skiing. Fuck no. But when you are you making in your life decisions, did you have these strong beliefs about the rich and, and, uh, when did that come about? I don't remember you being like so anti rich when we were kids, but I, or even in college,
00:17:22
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but then ah But then there was a 20-year void. And when do when do you think you started to become this current version Lance? it's for us It's not anti-rich. It's anti-fuckface, basically. It's anti-absolute consumerism and demonstration of my wealth. That's what I'm anti. But i this started in college where I don't... Obviously, at that age, you're not...
00:17:49
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you're just not in a good position to sort of puke out your views. Uh, I think people, as they get to our age, want to talk more about conceptual things. And by the way, if you don't like doing that, then I'm probably probably not a good friend. So fuck off is basically what I'm saying to those people that are, don't have any depth. Kim.
00:18:07
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yeah Yeah, exactly. yes cat and harper we're Clowning you, uh, dude, but, What was the question? oh No, I just wondering when you... It's off track. It's when you started to have this. And so, would that... Your current brand yourself...
00:18:26
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That 25-year-old whatever, Lance, would have been cool with the choice to be like an economic journalist or something like that. But you probably didn't even know that was like a possibility, right? like we We were kind of naive back then to the world.
00:18:38
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Yeah, and most things are luck. Yeah, most things are luck. I wouldn't have known that that was even a possibility. But ah to give you an idea in college, I would do things like... I don't know. I would just... One night, instead of go out, I went out by myself to pick up litter.
00:18:56
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That's not normal. Were you sober? Yeah. Just doing kind of weird things. But that the what I know about myself, too, is that... There's no going to be no lifelong pursuit.
00:19:11
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I'm going to get interested in something. I'm going to try it and not really have any fear about trying something, and then I'm going to be done with it. This is what I'm talking about. and That's like the the core of it. this like I'm jealous of the people that have this lifelong pursuit because I'm the same as you.
00:19:27
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And I'm like... Oh, like, cause if you were writing economic articles, I bet you, you would burn out eventually. Well, no, I don't think so. Cause it's so broad. It's so broad.
00:19:38
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So you think that could have been an actual lifelong or maybe it still is. i mean, just cause you're not writing for the fucking wall street journal. It's still kind of a, you understanding economics and the, and the move in the world is a lifelong pursuit in a way, just not. it really Yeah, it is. So, I mean, I'm, I will walk around and ask questions constantly.
00:19:57
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and And they're really based on commerce or or like, so why did they build that warehouse there? It makes no sense. and then sort of dig into something stupid like that. Shut the fuck Which I'm not going to take anybody through.
00:20:10
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Fucking pussy. But that that kind of thinking, it's both micro and macro. microeconomics, macroeconomics, so that you can spend a whole life and never exhaust all of the the issues, and specifically the impact to everyday people. So last week's episode is an example of an economic conversation. It's sort of it's slanted with a very overly opinionated, obnoxious viewpoint, but it's still economics-based.
00:20:36
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But yeah, I think that would have been fine. But you're worried about not being an expert or not being so enthralled by a topic And that has made you what? ah Suboptimal or what? The name of this show.
00:20:50
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yeah i fit ah Yeah. Well, I don't know if I'm worried about it. I just maybe there's like I'm intrigued because I know i have some friends that are looking for jobs in the middle age of their life.
00:21:03
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And she's kind of down just because it's like, ah, fuck. um'm Like she's just going to find a job, you know, like we all have to do sometimes. And then you're like, I don't want to do that. But she's also studying to do some stuff that she has more passion about, like becoming a teacher or something like that.
00:21:20
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And, um, and you're just like, fuck, like if you're talking to somebody and you're like, you kind of want to be like, yeah, you know, there's, there's a mix of like, if you're giving unsolicited advice, let's go. It's like, we all got to work. Don't worry about it. Don't, you're not going to find nothing's ever going to be perfect. There's that kind of yeah my advice. And the other side is like, fuck it. You got to, it's the time in your life to go find your calling. Like you, you don't like, you have a family that'll help you.
00:21:45
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You can virtually eat right now and be broke. Who cares? Go go go down the path of figuring it out. And ah none of them are like, neither of are like a comfortable place. But when you go, ah, man, when I talk, when I have those conversations or even this person that we're cracking on that's like found a nice...
00:22:02
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you know, a place, uh, working in the, I don't know, was it foreign affairs or something like that, traveling the world, the job itself iss probably not what she was like excited about when she was 18, you know, but it's pretty, it's, it's gave her like a pretty awesome life.
00:22:15
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And, uh, I don't know. So, so I've just been thinking about that shit lately and me, almost rejecting the idea that I've done anything great by by trying to start a company and being like, is this it? Is this the end of the line or what what is it? And um I mean, i don't i think I'll die not knowing what i what the the answer to that this episode is.
00:22:35
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Like I would probably die. like i would think so. Why? Because I'm a noncommittal cunt? You're definitely a cunt.
00:22:47
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See, um I would like to promote the... um We use the vagina as the strong thing instead of like, oh, he's got balls. This is not my joke, but like he's got it he's got a little vagina on him.
00:22:57
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Kid gets after it. But con, I think we need to reserve as a word that we can use as, you know, like the British use it yeahs for all things bad. so Yeah, and good. They use it for good too. ah For you, ah so I just look at everything as pros and cons or trade-offs. And so like, have you met somebody that has dug into like one niche their whole life?
00:23:20
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They're often not the most dynamic and interesting people to be around. I have met a few folks. Isn't that fucking awesome, though? Because they don't they're not doing it to be dynamic for you. They're like on a on a path where it's like, I don't fucking care if Lance thinks I'm dynamic.
00:23:38
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I'd be finding rocks, fool, or whatever the hell they're into. Yeah, depends on what your life goals are. and And, you know, I have a wife that does therapy with older people. So she gets to hear these stories. And one story she recounts of a couple is like, there was a lot of tension because he was always, he was always fucking around with his math. I think it was like a, he was a professor. Yeah.
00:24:01
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And he was always fucking around with his math equations. Like and we're talking like insane world-class mathematics. And like there was no life outside of that.
00:24:12
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And that's cool. Like if he goes to a party and you you and I, who are generally curious people, we would go, damn, tell me more about that. And it would be cool. And it sounds great to listen to, but we also don't know the the dark side of that.
00:24:28
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You're right. I have met people that are annoying, but but a lot of times it's in a hobby space where they won't shut up about their fucking golf or, don't know, or me surfing. But yeah, you're right. I mean, I do get that. like you You don't want to just be so so off the rails on ah geology that you're completely useless to be around.
00:24:52
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It's just like it's always bringing it back to rocks. You're trying to talk about your your children's sports team. Yeah. Rocks. it's like rocks Rocks.
00:25:07
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Rocks. I mean, ah i'm still am kind of jealous of it. Like, are people that are experts on like um Rome, you know, or whatever, or like historical experts, I still think that's pretty awesome.
00:25:21
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But they're like present, you know, the people that we find are like presentable. So they present it as they're like, well, presenters. So so like they don't seem like, they seem like charismatic people. Because whoever's like talking about Rome got on a podcast or on a history channel show or whatever.
00:25:37
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They're not like the the geeks that you're talking about. but Yeah, but but you have to admit, you know, for a fact, that I think what it appears is that these people are free of internal conflict about what they're doing and what they're about on a day-to-day basis. Because that's what you're trying to resolve is like, oh man, if I was just interested in Mesa Verde in Colorado, I could just fucking dig in and I could travel down there every weekend. Yeah.
00:26:01
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study and What's the the rock the rock dwellings? Is it Anastasia? Yeah, I was like, that's it. Yeah, that's your whole life. yeah I'm out.
00:26:12
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But truthfully, those but I'm sure they have their doubts. And I'm sure that that sometimes they want to broaden and consider different things and that it's not just conflict-free life. And that's what you're trying to – I'm assuming you're trying to resolve. Yeah.
00:26:28
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by being just like locked into something for life. You don't have to think about it ever again, question yourself or feel like a piece of shit. Like you're not into wood and you're probably questioning like, oh fuck, I have to sell another table. I fucking don't care about furniture, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah That's what we do.
00:26:43
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I just think all human beings are fucked. it's like I'm having all this success. So so not not success, but like I'm having all these experiences that are good that I'm retapping into stuff that I thought was was pretty dope. And I'm like, yeah, it's fine.
00:27:01
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What really I came on this show to say my my dream, what ah if I was 21, had the money. Miami South Beach nightclub owner. That was it, dude. I wouldn't know. no and not at all. Although some guy who does that probably thinks he's, he's, he's struck gold, right?
00:27:18
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Oh, for sure. butgainst we club out Anything that has to do with Miami. i I like, I'm like, this is the worst. Well, i I don't see that for you because i don't know that you like diverse populations.
00:27:33
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and I'm kidding about the Miami. i know like I don't know. I started doing stand-up again. It's been great, but I'm like, ah, it's fine. Whatever. i made i made some pizza the other day for a friend, my friend, and then my kids, and the the pizza was actually...
00:27:48
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ah amazing. And I was like, oh, this is pretty fun. I should do this. But but that's like as far as i I don't know if I'd be like, man, I wish when I was 22, I would have known I had to drive to be like, all right, I'm going to become a restauranteur or something like that. I don't know if I could take it that far.
00:28:04
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No. and And honestly, what's wrong with dabbling throughout your whole life and just living a life full of experiments? No, I think that's good. But this whole idea of career and shit is like, it it does I think maybe I'm thinking about more as my kids are getting older. And and I'm like, I'd hate to see them have some miserable life where they're like you know looking for a decent wage and how many vacation days they have. And that's the thing. And I'm like, yuck. Yeah. yak you know But yeah it is what it is. They're probably going to get sucked up into it. But but when but I get ah you know off the rails. I'm like, you could be a musician.
00:28:42
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or like you could it's like There's probably other shit out there. like We think it's like you're either... a doctor lawyer office worker or your fucking aerosmith or some dumb ass thing or miss rock like that that's why i'm talking about all these other people in between that are like doing shit like archaeologists or cat boat captaining you know you know those type of people that like you all i do is i take this yacht around the world with these people and are all these weird weird little ways to to make a living that seem cooler than other shit
00:29:15
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Yeah, but it's easy to envy something you really know nothing about. Maybe the boat captain has had three marriages. Yeah, and I'm saying exactly, dude.
00:29:26
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guys getting new trim every five years, bro. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I just was... You had a pretty good one. I do think... I don't know if this is... I'll find to do it all over again. I think farmer... Some sort of type of farming would be... Not like a dude standing in the middle of Iowa with overalls on in a combine harvesting corn.
00:29:51
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But like... ah a farm like A sustainable farm would have been awesome to be running. because Because it's like your own project space in a way. Because from that, you could do a lot of cool shit.
00:30:02
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You know? It could be... You're producing your own food. You have an event space. You have... ah Anything you want, really. You could be like, ah in that space, I'm going to create a restaurant.
00:30:15
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Or I'm going to use the property to have live live music events, acoustical folk music events. ah So you want some sort of level of versatility? No, I don't know what I want. I'm just saying, like a farmer would be cool. have you ever thought about farming?
00:30:29
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I have, but it it's not interesting to me. It's like the idea of getting to bed every night tired. and not fabricated through a gym or exercise. And I feel like something like that would have been good for me.
00:30:45
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And people are probably like, ah, but you're so good looking and handsome and social. And like, and it's like, well, those are just, they you know, that's vanity for me. i would rather like live off the land and be, be a fucking hobbit, a shut in.
00:31:02
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Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. it's why Why don't you fucking think a little bit and actually tell the people really how you feel, okay? A farmer, dude.
00:31:13
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You really? I don't see it for you at all. Because of my laziness? That's a passing fad to me. It's just a passing interest. Here's what I see for you. I would have seen you owning...
00:31:25
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an event center in a cool part of town where you could network and knew bunch of people and you were hosting events and you were just a part of the community and known as a funny guy that everybody liked and all that stuff. But you had a viable business that at this point in your life, had you started there, you wouldn't necessarily have to be grinding.
00:31:50
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You would would just be reaping the benefits of it. And that would have, I think, been a good fit for you because you could have run a bunch of different ideas through it. And you could have done a participate in all sorts of community events, different types of things and brought in different types of people.
00:32:06
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have I have the blueprint for that, actually. Yeah. And I'm not saying that because we talked about the pizza parlor slash event center. It just seems like a good fit because you're a bit of a networker, but you're also lazy. So the fact that you have an establishment that...
00:32:22
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you know, fundamentally withdraw people because it serves alcohol and food. You, you know, there's not a lot of, you know, it it allows for some level of inertia.
00:32:33
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So, you know people will come for that. And then you also can tap your creativity and bring in all the friends and people and force them to do shit they don't want to do. Dude, that, so that, that's not a bad idea, but the, uh,
00:32:48
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Yeah, I think that'd be good, but i but I need, am I a self-starter enough to do that? But i I think my friend Kevin in St. Louis, the place I'm always talking about, that that's where i go hang I go sit there and i end up talking to strangers and having a great night.
00:33:00
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he's He's basically done kind of what you're saying. It's through a bar, but now he's got you know some restaurant space. He had like a shared networking space. He just, like any idea he has, whether it's like, ah, let's do shared networking, let's do like he'll run it through that business.
00:33:16
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and but it's a fucking nightmare because there's people involved so there's always a bartender sick or stealing and there's always a person who you know like and uh there's that but now he's 25 years into it and things are going pretty well but he's still grinding he just opened up like a ah restaurant it's like yesterday and another one in like two weeks and that's his choice though right that's his choice Yeah, it's all because because people like what he does. And it and it has like a super creative side it. People actually use him for consulting if they want to like open up another place or something because he's got all these crazy ideas.
00:33:52
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i My friend and I, were when when I was talking about trying to do a comedy show for like to raise money for the Roots Down Fund, we were he was this other guy who' like puts together this this comedy festival, Zach.
Innovative Business Ideas
00:34:04
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We were making fun of the other guy because we're he he has a basement room. And it would be great for a comedy show like we used to do 15 years ago in the basement of his bar. but But this guy, you'll be like, let's do a comedy show. And then he'll be like, how about we do this thing where the comic's in a phone booth and then the each person, each audience member gets to go in there for like five minutes. He'll never just take take a normal idea. He'll just put like a stupid spin on it or or something. Yeah.
00:34:32
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it's it's ah It's great. So it's fun hanging out with him because it's like so funny. It's kind of an extension of kind of like some of your ideas. But he'll like physically just sort of fucking with the world, you know. So he has an avenue for that kind of stuff.
00:34:46
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Yeah. but but But it's also cool stuff. Like he bought this old like A-Team van for this new restaurant he opened up. And he gutted it. And so if someone's like waiting, it like has a long wait before table's ready.
00:34:58
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They're going to be able to go in the back of this thing, drink a bottle of champagne. He's going to take them on a tour of this like big park. It's like this huge park in the middle of St. Louis or something stupid like that. Like a ride in the van while you wait. i don't know. But I think that's kind of the where you were going. Like if you had a place where you could just run ideas through and make a little money.
00:35:15
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I think you'd be good at that. Because i don't I don't think you're driven by... money or collecting money, I don't think under any circumstance would you necessarily like pursue the dumb thing I pursued. But if you had that as the centerpiece of your life and it made enough money to take care of your family and actually, to be honest, a place like that would run so many memories, family memories through it that, you know.
00:35:42
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You'd be good at that too, actually. It's not like. Why is this not yours? I'd be good on the back, on the sort of the business side. backside back end because I need to check out. You're much more flexible with people and much more flexible with your day to day. am a rigid.
00:36:00
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Well, I mean, I'm very rigid in terms of what I need to do to execute effectively. so got to get my workout in and have my salad and, I got to do shit like that. Whereas you're like, ah you can go two weeks in St. Louis stuffing cheeseburgers down your fucking face if if you have to, to just socialize and meet and and get something done. I'm sitting there like spinning out of control. I just had two fatty meals.
00:36:23
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Fuck. Yeah, but you probably had a phase in your life where you were just grinding, but but it was crushing you. I've never been loose. Never telling you. that How do you describe? Yeah. I think if this all worked, I would need, I would like, I probably need like a partner. I need a partner in anything. Yeah. I could do the, I would do the, so the reason I chose project management as a viable starting point for my career is because number one, it had variability in it.
00:36:52
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Number two, I'm a type of person. I don't let shit slip. And at three, it paid well. I had to have three. Huh? Yeah. huh was it Did it like intrigue you at all? Or were you like, I like this? Or was it just like, nope, this is a way to get... The discipline of project management, the thing that they make you study to be certified, is absolutely atrociously and horridly boring.
00:37:16
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It's the stupidest shit. It's like phase gating and all this dumb technical babble. And my version of project management is you get commitments by being a um influent influential person and shaking hands and making shit happen and and just putting your cock in people's mouths that's my version of it just like driving forward right yeah yeah and making it fun and have you know and also like being able to have some direct conversations which I think was was my strength but project management in general that's why it was a decent fit it didn't matter that it was tech or what whatever all the different versions I did of it
00:37:55
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it was a decent fit for a career, but it wasn't like the environment, the corporate environment is why I had to leave.
00:38:03
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Yeah. But, but yeah, I'm like, how do you, even what I think one of our other listeners, the other listener, I should say, I think he's like mentioned that he's looking for a job or something. It's, it's just those decisions the middle life where you're like, you just give up on it and just go, I'm just going to find a job. Are you really keep fighting your whole life to, to find like,
00:38:23
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the right fit, you know, like you justified that. But when you're young, it's kind of nice because it doesn't matter because you're kind of broke. So you just got to get something going. But then in hindsight, you're like, fuck, if I would have started on a different path, like if you were doing project management for something cool,
00:38:38
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like I don't know, something, but not a corporate thing, like maybe that would have been like the perfect fit for you. And at times I was. like It was like you're doing what you would put in the category of nonprofit helping the community out. Certain projects had that bent to it because I was in healthcare.
00:38:56
Speaker
And that felt... obviously good and those are much more interesting exciting projects or if there was a huge risk of failure and and everybody had their eyes on and I sort of like that intention it was a decent career what I want to keep doing it no because it's very stressful it's fucking insanely stressful but for this person if I had to give some advice to this person it's like Your curiosity and your interests will are unlikely, as you said, to be satisfied by a single job.
00:39:26
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And so the longer you aren't bringing in money, I guess if that's a concern, the more stressed and jaded you're gonna get. And so I would just find a reasonable job and then allow yourself a time here's what a therapist told me because i spun out on this shit a lot is like you carve out a half hour per day to think about how to nudge yourself in the direction of more of your interest instead of just sitting there jobless spinning that would be my recommendation which which uh causes a whole lot of
00:40:01
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anxiety and other stress that causes more problems for you as well. Sadly enough, right? Exactly. Yeah. ah The other one you would, you're going to think I'm kidding is like, uh, like some sort of like Navy seal type, type thing. I don't know Navy seal is my only example, but those sort of like, i don't know secret ops, but like an op, like something like that would have been.
00:40:28
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You. Yeah. Yeah. but but You don't think that would be sweet? Well, i thought we were I thought we were actually like postulating what would be a good fit for us. why No, i think I think it would have been. I just never even thought that was an an option.
00:40:44
Speaker
Because when you're coming out of school, or you actually were in the military technically for a while, you're like, i don't don't go to the military. that's a you They treat you like shit and all this shit, but like all this stuff. I think that might actually, maybe not just the, I don't know how the military works that well.
00:40:59
Speaker
My only thing is like the people that are badass are doing like really cool operations and stuff, or SEALs or Rangers or Green Beret. I physically probably couldn't do that, but ah that type of like intense sort of like you're like singularly responsible for like a big deal seems like it might be cool even though it's like against everything that i am it might it might be like one of those things if you're if you're thrown in it it might be that structure might might be pretty awesome for a while Well, sure, but that's not a good i fit for you. No, I know you're not kidding. It's just not a great fit for you. is I think it'd be suffocating.
00:41:37
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All I have to do is listen to you talk to say, oh, that's not a Navy SEAL. Like I know some federal agents, they're not Navy SEALs, but they they do, I don't know, FBI type criminal investigation type shit. And they're they're straight, dude. They're straight motherfuckers.
00:41:53
Speaker
But also, i don't i think you you're in the same way. like I think when there's a... so I'm not going to say what, but something happened yesterday that that caused me to think really fast and and and just be like, I got problem solve immediately.
00:42:07
Speaker
And I was fucking MacGyver. And I was like... ah I think I i do get like laser focused if if I'm in sort of a... ah like ah a tough spot. I mean, Navy SEAL might be extreme, but I, but maybe something like that where we're like, it it just makes me like super focused would have been good. Yeah. And that's why I'm saying the event center and like one night you run out of fucking chicken. It's a big problem. And then you get to lock in, start shooting. Yeah.
00:42:34
Speaker
Yeah, but not fucking going and capturing Osama Bin Laden or or any of that shit. Well, it might be a another area that's like that, but not as... i I really don't think I know if I could kill kill somebody. It's probably requirement to be a SEAL.
00:42:49
Speaker
but I think you more want relief from yourself, perhaps, like where you want a mission. You want a clear-cut mission where there's no choice. You don't have to like... motivate yourself yeah if there's a way out i'm like all right there it is yeah that could be like that might be it i mean maybe that's why for the last year i've been kind of like oh this is good you know but then i'm like the mission is this it is what it is i've seen what the mission is where there was kind of no choice for a while but now things are going pretty well it's like not quite as a ah drastic mission getting this company off the ground so yeah i think you're right there you might have uncovered something there
00:43:26
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I
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00:43:27
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don't know. I, I, yeah, I just don't think I'll ever know what I should have done. And maybe it's just, uh, uh, maybe it's just the front knowing that it was probably stand up, but I don't know if I feel that right now.
00:43:38
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Well, I think that could have been absolutely viable path, but it would have come given the situation you were in at that time, it would have come with some, like a dark side.
00:43:50
Speaker
Yeah, it was probably the right path as far as the skill set, what I'm good at. and and But, um yeah, I don't know. I think you'd be an alcoholic, bro. hate going down that path. I think you'd be have some sort of substance issue just because that scene is so it's so pervasive.
00:44:08
Speaker
and And, yes, if you were at a point where you were very successful, you would have kicked that. I'm not saying that. But for a period of time there, you would have. You would have had that. drank pretty hard without it. I managed to i managed to get it. so So I'm spot on. But the reason is because you're more flexible in that sense and you like people to like you. So would have been hanging out a lot. Whereas I would have been little bit, if I were in that space, I'd be more of like, I would have been the dick.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think the, I don't know, like the the one thing about that, i don't know about that. I mean, i know ah I know a lot of people that have quit drinking like in that space now. And so it's just like the thing you have to go through. But it's like the isolation of it becomes addictive in a way.
00:44:49
Speaker
Because you're like so busy, you're on the road. I'm sure it happens in musicians where you're kind of, you're actually like with a lot of people and completely isolated the whole time. So then like that's kind of addictive, I think, good or bad.
00:45:02
Speaker
And then facing reality is like becomes harder, you know, because it's like I'm just at a gig over here and I'm in a hotel and then I come back and like and so I don't know if that causes alcoholism, but there's a bit of isolationism in it.
00:45:17
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It would be a tough life until you figured it out because like, yes, you're you're experiencing these extreme highs. And then when you move to isolation mode, psychologically, do you try to balance out somehow?
00:45:31
Speaker
And maybe substances is the answer or maybe weird other behaviors like asking women to watch you jack off is is sort of a behavior. Louis CK. I'm not sure, but it seems like it would be You have to be a power broker, dude, to bring openers with you to get to get to that level.
00:45:51
Speaker
Yeah. And then you have no anchor ah geographically, and that might be hard. Yeah. I mean, i'm not I don't really have... I don't know. Maybe I will, but I don't have like a ton of regret when I have this topic.
00:46:03
Speaker
But I also don't want to just... i still want I still want to be on the pursuit of some sort of like something good. some Some sort of like the pursuit for, I don't know, more good or bad.
00:46:36
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Put your cock in people's mouths.
00:46:59
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in people's mouths