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Ride The Lightning
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Lance's bad news, alcohol wisdom, hair bands and more.
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Pre-show Excitement and Jitters
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I am a B-O-R-X.
00:00:18
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It might not be the best show, but that was our best pre-show in like a year. you agree? You think? Yeah, we really got a lot of stuff out of the... I almost feel like we shouldn't do the show. We're doing it for ourselves anyways. We just did the show.
00:00:31
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I could take a break. You want to cut it? Just caught call it 28 seconds.
Comedy Show Nerves
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like to say hi to all our listeners. Dude, I don't know if he still listens, but I was ah ran into another mutual friend and he was like, I'm going to try to, when you're he basically was like, I'm going to get Marty, one of our one of our, he used to be one of our biggest fans, at to one of my comedy shows. And that made me feel nervous.
00:00:58
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mean, something about talking talking out through the podcast everyone, like we can just sit here and fuck around, we never have to face anybody. either of them, but comedy show, I gotta be, I'm right there. Marty could just be like, why am I listening to this clown?
00:01:12
Speaker
You know? Yeah, you have to think that a guy like that, if he's listening to more than 10 episodes first, he's gotta check his mental health, but yeah. yeah But if he's listening to more than 10, you have a good sense for both of us.
00:01:25
Speaker
And ah he's probably not gonna be embarrassed for you if youve if you fucking don't kill, you fall on your face, it's all good, bud. The reality is, dude, and I don't mean this in any sort of arrogant way, but I'm already crushing. and it's already It's already easy. comes naturally.
00:01:42
Speaker
So there's no fucking way he's not going to enjoy himself. That's true. I think there's something about – well, there's a couple things at play. One is I'm i'm doing open mic, so i should be like I should be doing pretty well relative to the people that – a lot of people are just learning how to stand up. so And then a lot of people are trying it out, and they'll probably not end up in stand-up.
00:02:02
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And then I always got by just on like personality and being like loose and being able to think quickly in the moment. And so I don't, what I lack right now is material, but I can, I can make up for it just by kind of fucking around.
00:02:14
Speaker
Yeah. But if you do a longer show, you better write some shit. Yeah, exactly. So, but it's, it's been good. Well, that's good. So how are you, my friend? How are you, buddy?
Coping with Loss: A Personal Story
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You, you, you hinted last week at what's going on in your life.
00:02:29
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A lot of shit has happened since the last episode. I'm not just talking about the the Middle East.
00:02:36
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Yeah, my brother died, bro, last Saturday. Last Saturday. Sucked. Yeah, that's I can't even imagine, so I don't want to act like I got some words of wisdom.
00:02:47
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but um I just, I admire you you. You seem like you've been pretty strong through it all because you you have to, you have one, you have to do this show, and I can't believe you're getting an episode in, but you're you're the kind of in the point position for cleaning up what was left behind, and i don't i don't know how you're possibly doing it, but you seem like a rock for your family right now, so it's impressive.
00:03:12
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Well, thank you. And i think there's just like you just do. There's no choice, right? We're just going to let everything fall apart. um It's the best place to be sometimes, right? where Like in these where you don't have a choice. You just have to deliver.
00:03:26
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Yeah, the positive is the family comes together in a way that they don't don't normally and you you sort of ignore any dysfunction and you come together and get stuff done and support each other and you you don't necessarily address the annoying things that you might at a Thanksgiving gathering or Christmas gathering. You just...
00:03:45
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you just get shit done. And I guess that's the positive about somebody dying, but it's a it's also sad and and it's kind of a horrible experience otherwise. But death, I guess we we have that framing in America culturally that it's like awful.
00:04:02
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You know, when it came comes down to it near the end there, it's pretty peaceful. And we need to probably figure out how to think about it differently in this culture. well, you it's like the death is one thing and then the way people around you react like almost rarely help, but there are people that are can be have like words of wisdom, but then you like you're dealing with the death, processing that for yourself and then you're dealing with a cast of characters around it and your family and their family and then people react so different like that you got to deal with all that, which is which is hard.
00:04:38
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It's the weirdest thing that it's a guarantee. Death is a guarantee, but it's still like I don't know. It's weird not to get too philosophical, but it's weird that we're still not
Philosophical Musings on Death
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comfortable with it. And it's, it's, it's so normal.
00:04:52
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That's exactly right. Like, like all of us, everyone. And like to like consider, like when I'm looking across at you to see you at that, you point that my brother was at, you know, it's like, that'd be tough, but it's a fact.
00:05:05
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And it'd it'd be nice if we had a, yeah, a more functional, healthy approach. Like some of the other cultures really come and celebrate it and have some good positive traditions. Ours is like, oh fuck, this guy's dying.
00:05:23
Speaker
There's something about the way it happens that that affects us a little bit too. But I think what you just said is whatever whatever caused that or whatever happened or whatever or the way the person's life was left near the end or what your relationship was, there's a peacefulness where you just kind of leave that behind for for a moment.
00:05:39
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Or you should. Yeah. because Because you don't really want to just carry some sort of resentment on about somebody who just died. some Sometimes you can, I would imagine. But yeah. ah Yeah, but it's a it's stressful too, dude. Yeah.
00:05:54
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I, I, I, people that have gone through it multiple times, like I'm sure they've gained some experience, but I guess every time it's probably different, but getting, you know, there's the whole approach of getting somebody into hospice.
00:06:05
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And it's sort of like the finality of that, but looking at the person who's still alive, but eventually, or very soon will die and looking at them process that. I guess if I had religion, I could just like sweep it all under the rug and be like Jesus and heaven, which seems to be what most of my family does.
00:06:22
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But yeah, Most people in the world. Yeah, there's there's something very human about connecting with that moment there where there's a finality that you're just like, huh. Like, I don't won't see my brother ever again. And that's like a weird finality.
00:06:40
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So it's like, what ah what do you do with it? You know, hopefully you're trying to have good moments in life. and But also connecting with the fact that you're going to be there some point. Yeah. Which is strange.
00:06:51
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it doesn't register. Like it still doesn't. We're sitting here talking about dying, being comfortable with it. You just witnessed it. someone you're close to pretty young die. And I still don't feel like I'm going to die.
00:07:04
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I just can't process it. I guess if I, when I start to think about it, I just get sad myself. I started thinking about dying, but, uh, I have a, I don't know. i mean, you've taught me a little bit about it, not to get too deep into it, but I do have this fear of like dying before everyone around me is sort of taken care of.
00:07:21
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And, uh, I have, that's like the only thing that comes to mind when i think about my death is like, gotta to get got to get past this point where everyone around me is fine. but you know Mostly meaning my kids and shit.
00:07:31
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And you've seen a death where, where I mean, you've we've all seen that people die where everything's taken care of. We've seen people die where where it's not, their life is as a disaster.
00:07:42
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And i don't know if it matters. like it It probably does, but like it matters to the people behind. It really matters. Yeah, no, no. I mean, there's tragedies. There's sudden things that we just can't control, but...
00:07:55
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Yeah, I've had that same anxiety about the you know young kids and leaving them without a father, and that's like the worst. But if you are gonna die and you do have things tied up and you do have a will and you have like sort of a structure and some some resources, it goes a long way for the people managing and caring for you. It goes a long, long way.
00:08:16
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So nobody wants to inherit a shit show, even if it's temporary, it's pretty stressful. Yeah, picking up someone's burdens in addition to already emotional tolls, a little rough.
Alcohol and Emotional Coping
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When you, are let's let's switch gears a little bit. When you write a, I had, I remember I had a comedic friend who, it was a Denver comic actually, but his sister killed himself, killed herself. And she came't they came, they were, I'd already lived in St. Louis, but these dudes were in St. Louis.
00:08:44
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these com These other comics were staying at my house and I had to go to work. So I remember my wife was telling me that these guys were talking about my this comedic speech at the wedding and they were like so analyzing it if it was a good speech, but like almost the way you'd analyze a set.
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And I don't know. i mean i don't know how you could possibly write something for your brother's funeral. must be horrible. But did you did you have any sort of like, I'm i'm entertaining? Or or like, what what's the point when you write that?
00:09:17
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Yeah, dude, I don't know. Nobody knows. I think where I got to, like I had initially started with the desire to express the tragedy of it all. And I was like, that doesn't feel right. In resentful way or like sucks way? just... suck by Yeah, just sort of like in a, hey, we all know dude wasn't doing well and stuff like that. But that just, it wasn't landing for me. So i just, i was just like, ah, yeah.
00:09:44
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And I put it in the first line of the speech is like, I had been worried about him for so long. I forgot about all the games we played and all the fun we had. So I wrote about that. And then ultimately, I wrote about the game of Foursquare because that was one of our, that was one of our games that,
00:09:59
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We really competed hard hard at and did a lot of crazy, goofy trick shots and dumb stuff. And it just was a ah big, prominent memory of childhood. So I wrote about that and then- Wow, that must have been a an emotional experience.
00:10:14
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Foursquare? Well, just the whole thing. I mean, i can like even for your mom listening to that, she must have been like an emotional wreck. i I did a tribute to her, because I did think she stepped up in ah such a huge way. She was like a true rural ah warrior, doing a lot of the direct care.
00:10:29
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And ah so that was probably where she got most emotional. But Foursquare to me, and just like the little games we played when we were younger, and just his personality, I wrote about that. So you're able to, you're able to like find a sort of ah and a, don't know, happy place or like find a positive place in the moment. Yeah. I just want, just want people to know who he was and in a, in that kind of playful context, which I thought was, I thought was a good way to do it. So it worked out. People liked it.
00:10:56
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Yeah. Not a speech you want to write. No, but it's coming for all of us. Maybe. I don't think I'm going to, I'm just going to defer. I'm not doing any speeches. You're not going to speech for your dad or your mom? No, I'm just gonna say no. I i used to i had to do a bunch of wedding speeches. Remember had that run in the early 2000s. I was like best man for 30 people.
00:11:16
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And then I was just starting to do stand up. So I always thought it had to be so funny. And then my speeches were terrible because I was so nervous about being funny. And I think i probably do the same thing though, if I was doing a funeral.
00:11:27
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mean, like you said about it's sad and we need a better way to process it. Well, you probably should process it the way you process life. Yeah. You'll show up, dude. I guarantee it. I can i know who you are, bro. You'll show up. You'll do the shit.
00:11:41
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Maybe. I don't drink anymore. I just have to go out there and do it myself. It kind of sucks. But, you know. can't to ease the pain but yeah it's I don't know it's I feel bad for you but I hope that now like you how you can kind of move on you have a nice summer maybe a couple of years with at least couple years no one dies in your family that's my wish for you hopefully death-free 26 27 can we be honest about alcohol there can we just like once and for all like it doesn't really make anything better except for a single night out yeah
00:12:13
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Cause you're doing two nights in a row, even you're just binge partying, that second night, you're kind of a piece of shit. Your breath is bad. You got you got some shits. You're not super attractive. So if you're look going out there trying to get trim, like you're you're you're sort of a mess.
00:12:28
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But like an occasional, like I'm gonna hit it, feel loose, I'm gonna go out and hang with some chicks. That's the only benefit of it. The rest is just deteriorating liver life personality.
00:12:40
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Yeah. I don't think we, because it's been placed so much as a normal thing in our society, we don't realize how fucking stupid we are when we're drinking and like how our decisions are bad. I mean, I don't know. I will say doing something like standup where i was extremely nervous as, as a younger comic, maybe, maybe it helped.
00:12:58
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Like just to be all right, I'm fine, whatever. Like not not getting trashed, but like a drink or something like that. But I also now I'm like, oh, I might have been like the greatest fucking comic in the world if I wasn't drunk back then or at least drinking. And if I wasn't like, ah if i if i if I just dealt with the emotion or nervousness instead of that doing that, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like if you had other copes, other ways to cope. Like right now your cope is like you just don't give a fuck.
00:13:24
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Well, I can easily remind myself, oh, yeah, you're pretty good at this. You know, so it's like the, creep I mean, the doubt still creeps into whatever you're doing, but like, yeah, but the, ah yeah, the alcohol, it like, it allows you to say, I don't give a fuck, but then you don't give a fuck. And, and, and like, you know, you'll, you'll, you'll like, be ah, fuck it. You'll like, I, at least I was like right off ah something like, ah, this isn't, this is whatever, dude.
00:13:49
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You know, i don't, I don't know how to explain it, but it's like this, the doubt, of I'll, I'll justify a shitty effort, I guess is what alcohol does. if that makes sense. You're just like, this sucks, this sucks, I'm not worried about this. Where really I'm like terrified of this or nervous about this or really excited about this. And and now now I'm more in touch with that.
00:14:10
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So I don't know. Like alcohol is – people love it so much though. like They do. They do. They're addicted. Yeah.
00:14:22
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Yeah. you You can tell when when women really have a problem because they get – they get sort of that sloppy gut, but their their the rest of their body doesn't really align with that look.
00:14:34
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okay It's just sort of out of the no out of nowhere. When you see a girl with a gut, are you just like getting your brochures out and you're like, it's time for a change. Yeah, i worked with the girl. She was ah she was skinny and I think she exercised and stuff, but she had that that front gut.
00:14:52
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And then it turns out she just pounded bruise all the time. She was a pro. Yeah, it's weird though, like not everybody is that bad on booze. Like I was never that bad, but but there's not everyone is like, I guess, I don't know, it's a disease, like doesn't go doesn't go off the rails quite as hard as other people.
00:15:10
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there's There's like, I think it's almost, you know, we all want to be like some badass drinker when you're young, but like the fact, if you're not, it's better because you just feel like shit more and you're just like, I can't do this.
00:15:22
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Some people can just keep pounding themselves. I know. I couldn't. Yeah, but I don't i don't know. Alcohol is fine. I just, yeah, I don't mind it. But like you, you enjoy a beer, like the taste of beer, like a wine. do. Yeah, I do. And like there's certain certain times where I really like, I like it in the afternoon more than anything.
00:15:42
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Yeah. If I drink a beer in the afternoon, just not, I'm just like, I can't get anything done after that. Yeah, I'm fine taking a nap after it though. I just like, it's a it's a good feeling.
00:15:54
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ah Like an all day, if I were out on the bike all day, like a couple weeks ago I was and I just stopped off to this place that I like and had to had a beer, talked to some dipshits at the bar. And I like that. I like that experience.
00:16:07
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Would I stay for two? Nah. Would I stay for three? and now i'm Probably, maybe two max if I was having a really good time, but. Not Matt Connie, 12 deep, fucking making everyone laugh. Did you get back on the bike?
00:16:20
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With one beer? Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I remember when we were really young, well, high school, I don't know what we're, I think you were there. I don't know. We were at a Denny's somewhere.
00:16:32
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you remember, like, were you there? Remember this? Ring a bell? how was there. Like a Denny's on Parker Road. I think that we had some boot, we had some Jack Daniels or something. It's probably like maybe late senior year or something. And I think I was performing for the whole restaurant.
00:16:46
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i Like, I didn't, I didn't know at the time, but I was like talking to every table there. It's kind of drunk, you remember that? Yeah, I mean, there's moments like that where it's sort of like, but they're half cocked memories, like you can't really recall.
00:16:59
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And you don't really know what the reactions of those people were. Like the the people at the other tables might've been like, oh, and if like one of them might've had a gun in his in his hip and he was really close to killing you. You just didn't know it because you're so drunk. That's the problem with alcohol.
00:17:14
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But we did that, but I remember at one point we had a 40, somebody had a 40 in their trunk and it had been sitting there forever. And I think we tried to drink it. It was really fucked up. I'm pretty sure before like senior day or something,
00:17:27
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We we got like where were going out to the reservoir, like a school event. and And we had 40s. And we were pounding them at like 8 in the morning and they were nasty. they They're nasty in general, but they're like king cobras.
00:17:42
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Yeah, we were like vomiting because it was like we had to pound them before we got there because we couldn't drink there, obviously. and and why why Why did we want to be buzzed for that? I don't know. But that's the thing where i'm like, I don't mind that that all that shit happened.
00:17:57
Speaker
No, no, I'm not. yeah Being young. Yeah. There are people that are still doing that at 50. There really are, man. I mean, I've been to some like cougar type clubs.
00:18:10
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It's mostly like Gen Xers. I'd say like a one out of a hundred couples look like they're still okay. Dude, when I got to St. Louis in 08, and then I was in the comedy scene here for a while, but there was some... There was, like, people were fucking... I thought I was, like, such a lightweight. Everywhere else, I was, like, a drinking champion. i got here, i was like, a lightweight.
00:18:34
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But a ah lot of... and Like, some of the people are still around. Well, the ones that weren't drinking are all, like, successful, believe it or not. And then the ones that are still around are... A lot few of them then few them died.
00:18:44
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at least one of them died. But... they but The other ones were like, yeah, I can keep. I was like, wow, look at you, not drinking, huh? But like a bunch of people like quit drinking. It's like it click it clicks versus for people at some point or they're just or they have a scare.
00:18:58
Speaker
Could be something like what you just went through or it could be like a health issue. But like they they have ah something clicks sometimes. But it's weird how people are like, I just I have to quit. Like people quit. They can't just be like, yeah, I'm just going to have a beer every once in a while.
00:19:11
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It's like they got to walk away from it. Yeah, it's it's seductive. Dude, I went to, I didn't tell you, I was like, I went to a buddy's birthday party. Rugby guys, so a bunch of rugby guys were there. and I mean, three or four of them had stopped drinking, three of them at least.
00:19:25
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they Like a UFC rugby party from your college days? Yeah, from college, yeah. So they had had to stop drinking because they had significant health problems from from doing it for so long.
Health and Lifestyle Choices in Performance Arts
00:19:36
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Were they boozers back? Do you remember them as boozers? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, and they were self-disclosed at that point, self-disclosed alcoholics and had to stop. I just thought, damn, that actually, that makes a lot of sense based on how I remember you, dude. Some of these dudes would go, I don't know, if you're in college and you're hitting like one weeknight and one weekend day, that's probably fairly normal for a college kid.
00:20:02
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These motherfuckers were. Wednesday was a big party day at Northern Colorado, and then they would hit it Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and they'd go again Monday because of football, NFL football, ah most weeks. And I was like, yeah, that's fucked up.
00:20:18
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They just kept doing it. I mean, I've probably kept had i've had years like that. Especially, yeah not not really partying, but you know if I was doing shows every night of the week, I'm in a bar.
00:20:29
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And so I have a few drinks. Especially some of these nights where you're doing two or three shows. you might have a i never went I never get that drunk, obviously, when I was performing. But if I'm there all night. you know, i have maybe a drink for the first show, or maybe I get out my side of the first show, have a drink, have one between for the second one.
00:20:46
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And then by that point, you're like, yeah, fuck it. i already did two shows. and then you're there, you're in a comedy club, you're in a bar for six hours with nothing to do. Yeah. You might have five, six, seven drinks. Yeah. Not even know the saving grace of being a singer is it's pretty physically exhausting. So there's a real limit.
00:21:04
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to where alcohol is effective for that. But there's other drugs, I think, that many singers have survived doing. And you got the scary thing there is like, oh, did it. Yeah, I mean, same with stand-up. You do the show, it goes well or not, and then you're like, you kind of let your guard down. If you if you're singing and you're in that like emotional roller coaster and all that physical exertion, you're like, I'm going to have a few drinks and everybody wants to party with you.
00:21:24
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you could You could have that post-show. to like rock you but that's why all lead singers are like five pounds because they're fucking burning like 15,000 calories every re show right last thing I want to do is drink I want to get hydrated first bro yeah you're sweating up there yeah right it's funny if you're doing if you're doing it right how many fat lead singers are I mean like young there's none but as they get older sometimes there was that dude from Blues Traveler he was fat to begin with right
00:21:58
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He was huge and he was the harmonica guy that just like, nonstop. Yeah, he but he his diet was just straight up.
00:22:14
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yeah he and he had that surgery oh yeah have the staiaric surgery yeah yeah something and meat lo was a little little tuy wasn't he I think it was just husky.
00:22:26
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Yeah, maybe. I think Axel was a rail most of his life, but he's now like little chubbers. But I think he likes – he's like a fried chicken connoisseur, so he just goes around the country looking for the best fried chicken in the in the local local town.
00:22:43
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yeah ah Quite a few singers will balloon up on their first major tour, I've seen i've noticed. remember the Counting Crows guy i got fat. The Matchbox 20 guy got fat after their first major album because it's probably just what a lifestyle shift. You're getting anything you want and then the stress of it.
00:23:03
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you're not You're on the road too hustling, so you're eating like shit all the time. You don't see the Iron Maiden guy fucking is still jacked. he he He does his show and then drives the plane.
00:23:16
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he's He's a pilot. Oh. I mean, he's probably 80 now or 70. don't know how old Iron Maiden was. They got big in the eighty s so he's probably like 60s or seventy s Yeah, he's jacked. Can you imagine those metal bands are like running around screaming for three hours? probably you probably burn 8,000 calories every night.
00:23:35
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I don't even know how you train your voice to do that, how it's possible two nights in a row. Yeah. Like how, like the lead singer at ACDC, I don't know how he can sing two songs in a row.
00:23:50
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Cause I was, I saw, I don't know. I saw an interview with him like when he was young, like yesterday, but it was only like a little clip, but he talks like us. It's not like when he talks, he's like, and his voice is just normal.
00:24:02
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So he's doing something to get that. like but i just what i just did right there my throat's gonna hurt for for a week he's he's barking that shit every day yeah it's some kind of local court anomaly i don't really remember your voice was it taxing i think as i have a little bit of a lower range when i'm singing like the pop rock i like to but um Yeah, when I'm pushing it, it yeah it goes. It seems like your voice is your voice, though.
00:24:33
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Like, it's not a different singing voice than your voice is what I remember. Maybe just different volumes. but and think I think I needed to find a way to get over the top of the music.
00:24:44
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I don't know. I think my range had a tendency to blend too much. So it's good if you've got a a voice like so where you carry over everything or while you're sitting in between.
00:24:55
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by hey, don't Oh boy, Amazon be showing up. He's dropping the door. out Something big's coming in. You want to go check it out, buddy? One second. You feel the time. You feel the time, bro.
00:25:07
Speaker
What's up, dude? What's up, dude? I'm mad. I'm funny, bro. I'm fucking funny even with the Amazon guy. I'm Matt.
00:25:19
Speaker
I'm funny. All fucking day long. It doesn't matter who I'm talking I am funny.
00:25:31
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All right, dude. Sorry I had to give the Amazon guy a tour.
00:25:41
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ah heard ro I heard, I heard. said, that's the most interesting place I've been all day. Really? Because wood? Yeah. but i said I can't imagine how big of a tree that was.
00:25:53
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Yeah. yeah' So i don't know how Amazon works. You never you never get the same guy. like how they how they They don't have routes, I don't think. It's not like one route where you see the same dude every day. i mean, I don't want to make this conversation about that, but...
00:26:08
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What you going do when it's robots, bro? Huh? I forgot you hate Amazon. Yeah, i don't I don't use them. He could have been a robot. Yeah. How do I know? Oh, I just got all the emails. of of ah Anyways, dude.
Creative Tribute and Musical Reflections
00:26:22
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you didn't did By the way, do you didn't think about would it have been ridiculous to do a song yesterday?
00:26:29
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Like what though? I did pick. People do that. I know, I know. But my niece and my nephew created a nice tribute video. Really, that was probably the most emotional part.
00:26:41
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But I picked a ah song from this band, Cinderella. Don't know what you got till it's gone. You put that to their to their video? Are you going to do that?
00:26:53
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No, I made them put it in They used Dust in the Wind, and they used a so like kind like a Jesus song he loved, and then I did ah Cinderella.
00:27:07
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Dude, my you remember my roommate Eli? Yeah. He fucking would blare Cinderella, and I'm like, there's no way you like Cinderella this much. You're just trying to be annoying.
00:27:18
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This is pretty funny. But can you imagine just listening to – I mean, I'm not going to dog on Cinderella that much. It's a quality song. But, like, can you imagine just taking in, like, two or three albums a day of that – Just screaming.
00:27:34
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Yeah. They've got three solid bangers. But, yeah. See? You just smiled. I knew you had – You put some sort of humor into the into the funeral. yeah that That song, you must have been chuckled a little bit when you picked it.
00:27:49
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I only chuckled because we, first off, my brother and I loved him, loved Cinderella originally, and then we made fun of it as the years went on. And so, yeah, when he was getting close to dying, I played... ah You're struck by lightning. You're in love.
00:28:05
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That song, or whatever that's called, Cinderella. It's probably like lightning strike or something. Oh, that's so funny, dude. That nobody's fool is their biggest. And then I. ah Nobody's fool was pretty big, I think.
00:28:20
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Yeah. That was a commercial success. not your fool. Nobody's fool. what do I wonder what Cinderella is like. are they playing like mut like um you know state fairs and shit now or what?
00:28:32
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I wonder what size arena they they would do. um But I bet they could go every city in the country and at least sell out like a theater, like a small theater from now until the end. Nobody. That's so funny, dude. That's that's great. You got Cinderella, Scorpions.
00:28:47
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What do they do outside of those hits, though? You know, what what songs do they play? That's why they're probably, I would think they're doing like, I don't, I have no idea. Maybe Cinderella has like 15 hits that I just don't remember. But maybe that's why they those bands start to get together where it'll be like Rockfest at the Iowa State Fair. And then they each do like their three or four classics, you know, and then youve and then you hand the mic over to, ah and it's actually a good question is how any band does a concert, dude.
00:29:15
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Yeah, it looks like the front man is just the only one still going. he He still does the hits, and then he has his solo material. That's what he does. He forces people to listen to his shit songs.
00:29:29
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There's probably still people that are just like, yeah, no, he's the guy. mean, I could see Cinderella like on a tour with Queensryche and, I don't know, a couple other bands, and they each do three or four songs, and you know you know the words to every song, whether you like it or not.
00:29:42
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It's the night of your life. Yeah, I mean, objectively, they were good songs. They were good songs, and he he actually had a good voice. I think he was trying to sound hairband-y, but yeah, i thought it a pretty good band.
00:29:54
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Stupid fucking name, though. Jesus. But so Cinderella, buddy, was ah maybe the, were they before ACDC? No. It was like sort of the rock ballad version of ACDC.
00:30:08
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His voice. Just because the guy's, his voice, but everything else about it was nothing. Like ACDC was- Way better. Way better. Yeah. mean, Cinderella is like ah hair but was was like hair metal or hair band, whatever they were called. What were they called? Hair band? Hair metal?
00:30:25
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yeah
Guns N' Roses and Genre Evolution
00:30:26
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Yeah. Hair band. Somehow Guns N' Roses escaped that. I guess they were too talented. They started there too, man. I don't know, their appetite's pretty hard compared to the other shit that was out there.
00:30:38
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Yeah. I was having this conversation with somebody else the other day. why where where It's like, where do you put them? Yeah, I mean, they did have, the person, the guy was talking to was like, what do you mean? You see, welcome the jungle video. He's got his fucking hair all teased up and it was hair metal. Yeah, exactly.
00:30:54
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He was hair metal that escaped it. Even Van Halen got sucked into it for a bit, even though they were before. They were in that scene, but they were too good. Too good. They're not going to. Their legacy is is not in the same category of Motley Crue and Cinderella and Poison, Skid Row.
00:31:13
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Def Leppard. Is Def Leppard in that? they they ah They also built a career outside of that. They were too Some of these guys started, you know, like Van Halen, Def Leppard, they actually started pre kind of pre-hair metal.
00:31:26
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They were like late 70s, even Def Leppard. I think Hysteria, or at least early 80s Hysteria. I think it was Hysteria. Yeah, Bon Jovi, Bon Jovi. Same thing.
00:31:37
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Hair metal. But I think that everyone still has respect for some for Motley Crue and Poison, but there are all these other bands that were like came along. They were like one hit, like white lion.
00:31:48
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Oh, White Lion. Yeah. What was that song? You're never gonna land on a... Yeah, Wild and Chillicore, but there was another one. I i never remember lyrics. It's just kind of stupid. Aren't you singing Fame? Fame?
00:32:02
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I'm gonna live forever. No, it sounded like that, but no, there's a White Lion song. When you come to St. Louis, it's like going on a time machine. You still hear like Huey Lewis all the time. and Oh, it is Wait. There you go.
00:32:14
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there you go
00:32:18
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Yeah This is White Lion?
00:32:23
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Yeah There was a song I heard the other day. It was a... Ah shit. mine I can't. I'm not gonna... It was like something about a girl who's 17 I just remember And it was but it's not the famous 17 She's Only 17 song. The hair metal. What was that? Warrant?
00:32:44
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Yeah. No, but they're, what was that song? Oh, One Spit and Twice Shy. Who's that? Is that White Lion? Poison? maybe Maybe we're not giving White Lion the respect it deserves. Tons of hits.
00:32:58
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Oh, you think that's Poison? Oh, Great White. White Lion, no, there's another band called Great great White. Yeah, you're right. These are the shitty bands, dude. Tesla. Remember that? Was all that shit popular in Colorado? I mean, all that shit, like in Jersey, all that shit was, was like, people had like jean jackets with those, their fucking bands on them.
00:33:19
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Remember that band Tesla? like, yeah. Tesla.
00:33:31
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Yeah. Yeah. Why so much? Get to it, bud.
00:33:45
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modern-day cowboy oh wow
00:34:01
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What's funny is all these guys with all their silly hair and shit were like, like that guitar riff is like probably not everyone's doing that. sweet They're all like pretty good musicians. Even all their voices were like women. They're all like pretty good at what they did, but they just decided to embrace this hair culture. Yeah.
00:34:19
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I mean, they had a really good song that everybody loves signs. Remember that sign? The sign says, that's a cover, right? That was a cover. yeah I think so. who Who wrote that?
00:34:31
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Long haired freaky people. Yeah. It was a, that was like a hippie song from the, you know, from the, the revolution of the seventies. Yeah. That was Tesla.
00:34:43
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That's a weird time. like in, in the late, like early nineties, you know, there was some terrible music going on, but it was popular. Is that called science? It says the Canadian band wrote it, but let me just hear the lyrics here. This is the original.
00:35:08
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Man, yeah it's so sad when you don't know that their biggest hit was a cover. It was a cover? I was singing that song like Tesla was, like they were great songwriters.
00:35:19
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It was a far cry from, you know, modern day cowboy to that. Tesla owned it, dude. But you never heard of the band, dude. The five-man electric band, electrical band, I never heard of them.
00:35:30
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Yeah, in that sense, it's a great cover. yeah I can't look at anything. You can own it, and it can be yours. forever Wow, dude. Signs. You didn't know Signs was was a hippie song.
00:35:40
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I wonder if you're a band, and you're like ah that like, that band wasn't that big, so you go like, ah that's a good song, but i'm not it's not like I got to pay the Rolling Stones, so I'm going to get this one. and i like It worked.
00:35:51
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ah You thought they owned that song. if If they were covering. It did work, yeah. Yeah. brown sugar or something, that then you know, you know that that was the Rolling Stones, dude.
00:36:02
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so Although Guns N' Roses did cover, they did cover Live and Let Die. wonder if people thought that Axl wrote that when was actually Wings. But they're they were at like an equal level of stardom at that point.
00:36:16
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They did it so differently. Yeah, I don't know. it's so my My son is already making fun of his friend. You know, like kids love fucking Guns N' Roses and shit now. and Nirvana and all this shit.
00:36:29
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My son or Metallica, now that he's a drummer, if his friends are like, I like Guns N' Roses and they're like they like November Rain or something, he'll be like, they're fucking half-ass Guns N' Roses fan.
00:36:41
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Or anyone who likes any Metallica after like after one ah or a Justice For All, he's just like fucking pop Metallica liker. Pretty funny, which agree with.
00:36:54
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Really? Really? What are you like a big load and reload guy? You didn't like it or Sandman? That song? ah I mean that put them on I don't know not really I mean i'd maybe at the time but I definitely I think I don't like what would have happened if it happened the other way around is what I wonder you know you you can never you can never do this but like bands if you're like oh what if you would have released that first what what would have happened you know?
00:37:22
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Yeah. You can only do it as a band that have a lot of longevity. You're not really a hard metal guy either, though, don't think, right? No, but my favorite Metallica is writinging Ride the Lightning, that album.
00:37:36
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I like For Whom the Bell Tolls. think that's their best song. Dude, that is their best song by far, in my opinion. it's That's a great song. yeah what When I was in middle school, when we were in middle school, one was pretty got pretty popular.
00:37:52
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And um I remember the video just was like, I don't know, it was too much for me or something. It was dark, yeah. You just listen to Lars' drum and just how it all comes together and the rhythm that Hetfield has, not to mention the other talents in the band, but it's crazy.
00:38:09
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Crazy. Yeah, they like they at the end of the day, all these bands, no matter what they do, it could be Pantera, it could be Iron Maiden, could be Metallica, it could be some rap band or R&B singer that you don't really like.
Legacy of Iconic Bands
00:38:20
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But you realize a lot of these people, they' they got popular because they're just actually really good, whether you like it or not. You're like, oh yeah, Metallica's actually pretty good. It's not just like... The ones with sustained careers, definitely, there they had some unique talent.
00:38:34
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Yeah, let's see. So you have Kill Them All. yeah, Kill Them All. That was that's a good one. You like that album? Justice Roll, man. They were fucking raven. i thought I thought... Dude, I don't know if I like them. For Whom the Bell Tolls was on... Oh, it was on Master the Puppets? I thought that was on Kill Em All.
00:38:51
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Oh, Ride the Lightning. Kill Em All? I don't like any of those songs. Fuck Kill Em All, bro. Ride the Lightning. You like Battery? Battery is on Master of Puppets. Never mind. I like Fade to Black and For Whom the Bell Tolls.
00:39:02
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Ride the Lightning. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And Justice for All is pretty dope. What what album was was ah For Whom the Bells' one? Was that Master of Puppets? Ride the Lightning.
00:39:15
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Something about lightning in the 80s. Do you remember that movie Maximum Overdrive? Where the machines came alive? It's a Stephen King book. Lightning in the 80s. Pretty good, pretty funny movie.
00:39:28
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Ah, the 80s, huh? This is just, this is broken down.
Show Wrap-up and Recording Challenges
00:39:32
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We've lost it. We're just Googling stuff and talking. Yeah, dude, let's ah wrap up. This should be our show.
00:39:39
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Oh, you're right. i i couldn't i can't I can't be productive. now But now I know for whom the bell toll is on, ride the lightning. I apologize to our listeners for that five minutes of entertainment void. But, you know, sometimes when you get something on your head until you resolve it, you can't really function.
00:39:56
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And that's where I was. so But I think given the the the week you've had, would be hard-pressed for anyone to criticize us about we put together. If you if subtract my eight minutes with the with the with the Amazon guy, we put together a solid.
00:40:13
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and what In the 32 minutes you're going to edit out, we put together a solid seven minutes of entertainment today. So what can I say?